Thread 214653878

>Discovers undeniable proof of God's existence multiple times
>Still an atheist

>>214653878 (OP)
Part-time

>>214653878 (OP)
Oh sweet, an Indiana Jones thread.
The father/son leitmotif from Last Crusade makes me cry.

>>214653878 (OP)
did he state he was an atheist?

>>214654353
Anon, you did NOT have permission to copy that

>>214653878 (OP)
Yeah, the Bible is literally cannon in these films and the only thing the new writers can come up with is time traveling nazis

There's no reasonable scenario where Indy would become adherent to one specific religion.
He's seen undeniable evidence of multiple conflicting pantheons' Gods being real, as well as the existence of Ancient Aliens that only further complicate the notion of what a God could be.

But he could be, and most likely is a Deist.

Going off just the movies alone it is interesting that he saw concrete proof of Hinduism being real, years before he ever saw proof of Christianity. That's actually an interesting possible thing to explore with his personal beliefs given he was raised a Christian by Sean Connery.

>>214653878 (OP)
I always heard that this movie is an homage to old movies but I never EVER found which movies it's referencing? To me it's very unique nostalgia for a time that never existed

>>214653878 (OP)
I always took it as him denying the existence if the artifacts themselves and not the existence of God.

Like there are Christians who believe in God but they don't think the Holy Grail or an intact Ark still exists. That said I'm with this anon >>214654566 regarding the religion.

It's bullshit that we got time travel in the last fucking movie. Like if we 'really' had to time travel, have it be about Atlantis then. And yes I know the original video game prior to the Bethesda one covers the Nazis visiting Atlantis. But no ome fucking remembers it.

>>214654429
heres a legal copy

>>214654767
I’ve only ever watched the first three and have no intention of watching the others. Is the game any good?

>>214654791
The game is just more Nazis

>>214654815
What is it with Hollywood and Nazis anyway? They must love them, they make so many films about them

>>214654791
The game is just Nazis against along with some Italians. The BBEG at the start after the tutorial was interesting and I actually liked the ending given what happened to the VA irl.

The gameplay is actually really fun though so if you don't mind Nazis again as the main antagonist, it's a good game.

>>214653878 (OP)
Didn't crystal skull allude that all the divine things he'd seen throughout his life were because of alien influence?

>>214654889
They want an enemy that can be seen as purely irredeemable so that audiences have no sympathy. Also the commie one in Crystal Skull failed and it was 'clearly' because of the commies and not the cgi or the plot or ect.

>>214654910
only the trilogy is canon

>>214654897
Thanks anon, I don’t really care who the baddies are if the game is decent and its an Indiana Jones game axis powers would be the traditional choice. I might check it out

>>214654934
If you had a choice in the writers, how would you feel if a new film was made that decannonized Skull and Dial but was focused on Indy's grandchild picking up his mantle.

Or as a second choice a prequel that's focused on a younger 20ish y/o Indy. Kind of like the tv show.

They did Indy wrong sticking him in an apartment like an old loser.

>>214654978
Nta but that sounds awful. Make new IP

>>214654566
>Going off just the movies alone it is interesting that he saw concrete proof of Hinduism being real
You betrayed Shiva! *kills evil priest with hindu magic and magically brings life back to village crops and vegetation* All right Willty and Shortguy let's hurry up and get out of this shithole already I have class to teach

>>214654978
I’m sure a prequel is already in development. I can’t wait to find out how Indy got his hat and whip!!!!

>>214654566
He never saw evidence of the Hindu "gods" being real, just a few supernatural events that could be explained in other ways or by Christianity. Meanwhile he directly saw the effects of the Ark of the Covenant and later the Holy Grail, met a genuine crusader who's been alive for centuries and there are other implications that the Lord was aiding him through his journey.
It makes sense that he may remain as an atheist after Raiders in order to hide the trauma of not just that adventure but his childhood, but after Last Crusade he's 100% becoming Christian as it's very much a pure Christian journey with undeniable evidence of God what leads to him making up with his father and moving on. Crystal Skull and especially Diarrhea of Destiny are fake and gay and not canon

>>214655018
That's the first scene in Last Crusade anon

>>214655037
At the very least he is / or became a cultural Christian since he has a Christian marriage ceremony in Crystal Skull.

>>214655091
It stands to reason he was culturally Christian because virtually everyone raised in the west at that time was. That don’t mean shit

>>214655037
Crystal Skull was good. If I was baiting I would tell you I liked Dial of Destiny, but that movie goes to shit the minute Indie gets on the horse.

>>214654566
>Going off just the movies alone it is interesting that he saw concrete proof of Hinduism being real, years before he ever saw proof of Christianity. That's actually an interesting possible thing to explore with his personal beliefs given he was raised a Christian by Sean Connery.
You have to remember Temple of Doom is a prequel. Raiders didn't happen yet.

>>214655153
Yeah but this is a guy who was constantly world traveling, taking in other cultures, and he definitely seemed like a literal fedora-tipping Atheist in Temple of Doom.
Him mellowing and learning with age to embrace Christian tradition as he gets older is a character growth worth acknowledging.

Though also in Temple of Doom he tells Willie to stfu and eat the bugs and chilled monkey brains because it's respecting the country's culture they're currently in, so there's a part of him that always has been acquiescent.

>>214655183
I honestly completely forgot they made a 5th movie until that anon declared it noncanon. Never saw it.
Is there even any religious artifacts or faith-based moments in that one to bring in to this discussion?

>>214655275
That's what I was referring to. He saw the proof of Shiva years before he "saw" the Ark of the Covenant open up. So for a few years he might have reason to put Hinduism on more of a pedestal than Christianity in terms of being more legitimate.

>>214654791
>Is the game any good?
Its surprisingly not bad. Feels like a better indiana jones movie than the last two indiana jones movies.
It is fun when you've gotten near the end of the game and have buffed your health and damage up to max, and you can just ignore the stealth aspect because you're fist of the north star with a whip.
Sort of like the robocop game, where by the end your gun was so leveled up you just held down the fire button and walked towards enemies throwing an infinite wall of lead. In any other game it might annoy the shit out of me, but when you're playing an established character like Indiana or Robocop, being an unstoppable badass by the end feels earned.

>>214653878 (OP)
>Still an atheist

Where do you get that from?

>>214655183
Crystal Skull lost all depth that the main duology (Raiders and Crusade, Temple is just a secondary pulp adventure flick with little depth itself, though more than KotCS) had, in exchange for a weird Area 51 alien plotline that doesn't even belong in Indy stories.
>>214655314
>Is there even any religious artifacts or faith-based moments in that one to bring in to this discussion?
The movie centers around a device made by Aristotle that can travel through time. There is no faith item because that'd be offensive chuddie
>So for a few years he might have reason to put Hinduism on more of a pedestal than Christianity
He grew up with Christianity, and what he saw of Hinduism was a bloodthirsty cult of maniacs who brainwashed him, enslaved children and tore out people's hearts. He wasn't saved by other indians, he was saved by local colonial British army forces patrolling around. He would 100% see it as some demonic cult and not get close to it after that

Indiana Jones in Raiders demonstrated how he was a a consummate biblical scholar who knew the Old Testament back to front as a useful primary source document in his field of ancient archeology.

>>214653878 (OP)
Well yeah, it's the only local path for that cuck
>Be Jewish on your mother's side
>Find out the Christian interpretation of God is real
Indy lives in abject denial while his father, who he already had issues with, knew God's enteral grace all along.

>>214655408
He’s also an archaeology professor so it stands to reason he’d be pretty well read. He also liked to steal artifacts from remarkably well preserved sites and then trash the place on the way out fwiw

>>214655369
He saw the Thuggee cult act barbaric and practice ritual sacrifice, but he also witnessed the hope and prosperity that the Sankara Stones brought to the starving villagers and what it meant to them spiritually.
The entire point of his character growth in that movie is seeing the importance those artifacts have to their respective people. He definitely doesn't have a disdain for Hinduism at the end, the Hindus were the first people in an adventure to make him respect the religious artifacts he was taking in his quests, and not just look at them with dollar signs in his eyes.

Indy calling all Hindus monsters because of one bad group that gave him a rough time would be equivalent to him calling all Christians monsters because Hitler tried stealing Christian artifacts for personal gain.

I mostly think he possibly rejected Christianity at one point specifically because he was always at odds with his Dad. If anything, he probably entered his early atheistic phase specifically to stick it to Indy Sr.

>>214654353
It was sad to hear Williams on autopilot in Dial. The man used to create some really beautiful melodies.
https://youtu.be/rQcAN0RiueA?si=IU10u9djtENdrRzV&t=326

>>214655369
>Temple is just a secondary pulp adventure flick with little depth itself
Bruh, they're all pulp adventure flicks with little depth. They're inspired by the adventure serials lucas and spielberg grew up on, just like how star wars had flash gordon in its DNA.
They're elevated by style, technique, and editing, and Ford being charismatic as fuck with a cool leather jacket, and making a fedora work.

>>214654596
It's not just a couple of movies its based on. The franchise is inspired on old serials Lucas was obsessed with as a kid. They're cheaply made but Spielberg has an eye for visuals so he'd go the extra mile to make the coolest shit you've ever seen.

>>214655664
Anon, hes some reddit cuck. They all hate temple of doom, even though its the best of the lot.

>>214655575
Sure, but the Sankara Stones wouldn't make him believe. He'd be happy for the village which worship them and all but that's it, he's not involving himself with the religion that brainwashed him and almost killed his pals including a kid.
And yes his rejection of Christianity as I said before is mostly due to his childhood trauma. Last Crusade has him fix that up with help from God himself so after that I'm 300% he becomes a Christian. After all it isn't just that but his adventure with the Ark is what led to his reconciliation with Marion
>>214655664
Nah, Raiders and Crusade are far deeper and are designed to fit each other. Each deals with a specific part of the Christian faith (the Old and New Testaments), each are mainly about Indy fixing his broken past and relationships while growing as an individual, etc. There's actually a lot of parallels and it's clear Crusade was made trying to follow up Raiders. Temple meanwhile was made by Spielberg and Lucas when they were going through a real rough time in their lives with divorces and shit and it shows, it's less focused on deeper character study and is a more direct pulp action flick with darker events like the sacrifices and more exotic locales
>>214655688
Retard, I don't hate Temple. I just acknowledge it's an inferior film narratively, but it's a fun time to watch. Also Ledditurds love all Indy films including 4 and 5, they have zero taste

>>214654978
>but was focused on Indy's grandchild picking up his mantle.
This would be fine in any other franchise that wasn't so heavily rooted in history. The modern era is gay and lame and I don't want to see it

>>214655687
It was Georges idea to elevated this stuff.

>>214654978
Fuck both of those ideas and fuck you.

>>214653878 (OP)
he is a jew, man.

>>214654767
Lol the Atlantis game is literally one of the most beloved adventure games in history, you faggot. That's like saying no one remembers Monkey Island.

>>214653878 (OP)
Directed and produced by Synagogue of Satan head propagandists and probable PDFs Spielberg and Lucas.

>>214655483
There was always a reasonable amount of ambiguity around the artifacts in the original trilogy. Indy saw first hand that objects of great supernatural power existed and dealt with members of the cults and religions that were built around them. But they were never explicitly shown to be what the legends claimed they were.

>>214656574
George is a good man

>>214656740
>But they were never explicitly shown to be what the legends claimed they were.
Everything in henry's diary was show to be real

>>214655601
Listen to the Tin Tin score he did. It's similar to his 80s Indy scores.

>>214656875
The grail was a goblet that was proven to grant long life. But there was still ~1000 years separating it supposedly catching the blood of Christ and the Templar taking up residence it the cave to protect it. Even he didn't know for certain that it was present at the crucufuxion. All he had was stories and faith.

>>214653878 (OP)
reddit incarnate

>>214656962
Yeah it's great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk_sKEjcB2M

>>214657031
That’s just being silly. The grail mythology is entirely Christian even if it isn’t biblical. The Templar seemed to think so anyway

>>214654910
Not even slightly. Crystal Skull simply had a different supernatural entity, similar to how Temple of Doom used Indian mythology, or how the game "Infernal Machine" used Babylonian.

>>214657078
It's Arthurian rather than biblical. The concept itself is adapted from a pre-Christian celtic legend.

>>214657498
I’m not even sure what we’re arguing about. Grok nailed it
>>214654566
I’m a bit of an agnostic deist myself, don’t ask me shit, I don’t know

>>214657598
All I'm saying is that the first three movies maintained some mystery and gave Indy at least some reason to be sceptical. Showing literal aliens and time travel was the wrong move.

>>214657650
Interdimentional beings in point of fact

>>214655734
so you literally think temple is the worse film because it doesnt have christian theology in it. you are a retard

>>214657650
I’m the guy who never watched past the third one so none of what you say happens in my timeline. We’re full

>>214653878 (OP)
fucking this
>>214654385
either in the new movie or the new game. one of the things that came out recently that no one saw or played.

>>214653878 (OP)
I dont like these movies, I find them boring.
Spielberg has never made a good movie.

>>214653878 (OP)
Fine I will believe in you.