Thread 214654497

Why does /tv/ hate this?

Alien resurrection was better

Because it's shit

>>214654497 (OP)

/tv/ famously doesn't hate it, and commonly defends it, particularly the Assembly cut (which is better). I, however, do strongly dislike it, although it has a few marginal things making it interesting.

The film has a larger cast than the previous two films, and they're all BALD. This is a terrible costume choice as it makes them all look as similar to each other as possible. They're all just meat for the alien, and since they're violent criminals, I naturally don't care about them. The worst piece of editing in the original cut (largely repaired in Assembly, but let's judge the film based on what was actually released at the time) is the sequence when they lay the explosive goo trap and accidentally ignite it following an attack. In the original, the editing just becomes completely incoherent at that point. I have no objections to killing off Newt and Hicks right off the bat, this is an easy way for a writer to do a hard reset and tell their own story. But your story involves a bunch of nasty prisoners. I don't care about them. In fact, the Assembly Cut actually makes Dillon LESS sympathetic precisely by showing us MORE of him. He's really just a cynical fuck who wants to LARP peacefully as a christian. Nothing really wrong with that in itself, he has nothing better to do, but he really only cares about his own drama and not the rest of the species. Some christian. Also, I never cared for the CGI movements of the alien itself, they seemed a bit crude and uncanny, like fast stop-motion animation.

It's a bit unfortunate that Clemens was honest about himself with Ripley (establishing trust/intimacy), and this honesty was never requited (Ripley never told him the full truth about her past, the alien killed him just beforehand), but that at least makes dramatic sense.

>>214654497 (OP)
I find it mid, which is worse, at least the Alien crap I hate I shit on. Alien 3 I'd just rather forget.

>>214654497 (OP)
>Do you think I'm cute, Private Pyle? Do you think I'm funny?

The assembly cut is good, but it's not a good Alien film.

I think I read the script wasn't originally written as an Alien franchise film it was adapted into one and it shows.

>>214654497 (OP)
Posts that presume entire boards are singular opinions are always lying ass trolls making broadstroke generalizations to collect responses. You're a faggot, OP. Alien 3 if anything has fantastic cast, and Dutton, Dance, and Postlethwaite all put on inarguably incredible performances.

>>214655009
Tard post

>>214654497 (OP)
The color grading in this movie was disgusting.

>>214654497 (OP)
STRAIGHT DROP

I have not watched any alien films beyond the second

>>214655009
>Posts that presume entire boards are singular opinions are always lying ass trolls making broadstroke generalizations to collect responses.
Disagree. 4chan has it's hivemind just like anywhere else.

That said, I used to not like Alien 3, because it's too much of a standalone movie. Killing Newt and Hicks means it rejects being a real sequel to Aliens.

It's not difficult to imagine a modest rewrite/re-edit of Alien 3 that places it between Alien 1 and Aliens. I just don't like when events in one sequel have nothing to do with future installments.

That said, if you take Alien 3 as a standalone movie, it's perfectly fine, and I'll even say it's grown on me. It just sucks watching it for the first time, if you really liked the previous movies.

>>214655009
>>214655357
A similar problem I have with The Wire after they kill off Stringer Bell, and we start to follow the younger black kid, that I don't give a fuck about.

I have a similar problem with Toy Story 3 making zero reference to the Prospector or what he's been up to lately.

I have a similar problem with the second half of Death Note after L is killed. Nothing is intrinsically worse about the rest of those franchises. I just hate when a story resets who the antagonist is.

>>214654497 (OP)
i watched it for the first time very recently and its basically the same movie as alien 1 and 2, except almost nothing happens in it, mostly off-screen kills and no facehugger, most of the movie is pointless talking. also the xeno looked extremely retarded when you do see it and you can tell its a small dog in a costume.
resurrection is better because it did some new things even if wacky, you couldn't predict what was going to happen and there were some actually creepy and gross scenes.

>>214654497 (OP)
>>214655009
they killed michael biehn offscreen
dogshit sequel

>>214654819
lol

>>214654497 (OP)
It's because the original idea has been rehashed THREE TIMES. Alien is like a modern day Odyssey. People generations from now will be remembering it.

>>214654497 (OP)
is that the incel from the british tv show?

>>214656031
What? No, it hadn't. Aliens didn't rehash it. Alien 3 would be the first rehash. And Alien 3 was hated because it had a completely nonsensical premise that required magic mcguffins to even work and completely turning off your brain to watch.

>>214654497 (OP)
3 > 2 > 1
fight me

>>214656069
Alien 3 is just a nightmare Ripley has while in hypersleep after Aliens. It doesn't actually happen.

>>214656031
I knew the xenomorph was done the second the marines couldn't just shoot them in Aliens. If you have to make and excuse for your monster to function, holding its hand against human weapons, then it's no longer scary.

>>214654758
Shut the fuck up reddit

>>214656069
My father (who is a very smart man) watched the first few minutes of Alien 3, and immediately said "whoever made this movie is a genius"

>>214656133
>couldn't just shoot them in Aliens
Dumb fuck

I watched Alien a couple of nights ago. Well, I fell asleep after they bring back the facehugged guy into the ship, but it looked good!
I watched Aliens last night, right until that vehicle with the soldiers and Ripley are heading towards the colony. Looked good too!
Might try Alien 3 tonight, bros.

>>214656158
I told my father to watch Breaking Bad because it was the best show on TV, he dropped it after 2 episodes. I also told him to watch The Walking Dead, he lasted 10 minutes, said "This is really stupid" and turned it off

>>214654758
The Assembly cut isn't better, if you ask me. It just makes a repetitive, boring film longer and so makes it more repetitive and boring.

>>214654754
/thread

>>214654497 (OP)
It dismissed a supposedly strong premise

>>214656188
A supposedly experienced squad conveniently goes into a portion of the colony wherein it's specifically demanded that they cannot simply open fire due to danger of explosion. This proceeds to get most of them killed even though they end up shooting their way out anyway without any consequence. Meaning they could have been way more effective if they weren't given useless orders that allow the aliens to do whatever they want. If you can't write a conflict without the needless handicapping one side, your plot is shit. Aliens is a poor sequel, only Alien is actually good.

>>214656285
that's based

>>214655241
Cut the bullshit, A.

>>214656285
Based Dad

I love Siggy

>>214656434
A competent director and writer could have skipped ahead another decade or so and made another awesome sequel with her in a plausible story. And gotten a cute adult Newt.

Alien 3 is the 90s experimental era at its worst. You take a beloved horror franchise and kill the protagonists, make the leading lady into a cancer victim about to die and turn it into a weird surreal and depressive movie about prisoner monks doing goofy parkour running away from a xenomorph. The whole thing has shit-stained cinematography too.

It's beyond fucking bad and stupid.

>>214656552
>the other characters died on the way to their home planet

>>214656587
Hicks could have had an awesome role in a follow up movie too

>>214656285
I recommended Oz to my dad, which seemed like a good idea at the time, but one day I walked into his house and caught him fapping over the rape scene. I had to confiscate his Oz DVDs after that.

>>214656552
20th Century Studios had an obvious a new protagonist in Newt and fucking threw it away. Carrie Henn's chaaracter could have easily taken the mantle from Weaver after she'd gotten tired of her role. It was a brain dead layup, everyone liked Newt. Retards.

Is there a decent explanation as to how Ripley got parasitized? It's one thing to say there was an undetected alien aboard the ship, but how does it inseminate her without interrupting her cryogenic sleep? Are the xenos capable of operating complex machinery offscreen?

>>214656771
Its obvious

>>214656843
The obvious answer is that there is none outside of plot convenience. Poor writing, like the rest of this dismal sequel.

>>214656866
The Fincherster is still based though, right?

>>214654497 (OP)
I don't hate it, but it was boring.
The film has some interesting ideas with the prison colony, but doesn't do anything with them.
Visually, besides the Ayy suit, it's drab and boring.
Just a boring movie.

>>214654497 (OP)
Its kino, a lot of courage from the filmmakers to make such a depressing movie. It was a risk, probably would have been bad and safer if the production wasn't a shitshow. The fact it starts with a dead child dissection sets the mood for the entire thing.

>>214656771
Implied it was a Y-W set up, dummy.

>>214654497 (OP)
Could it have been great without the studio interventions?

>>214655357
>Killing Newt and Hicks
They served their purpose in Aliens. Imagine if they were in the original. It would be dog shit. Get over it lol.

>>214656069
Aliens is a bet for bet remake of Alien outside of the marines.

>>214657974
>>Implied it was a Y-W set up
And why, if it was planned, would they not simply send her to their captivity instead of having her crash in a prison planet and very likely die like the others did? They fancied a detour, a look at the landscape perhaps? Not to mention that saying it was a setup means nothing. How was she parasitized, exactly? Come up with a concrete explanation that makes sense.

>>214654497 (OP)
I like this movie especially because of how close it came to not being a thing at all but was saved by a Fincher clincher.

I hate this movie, because they killed off Hicks and Newt instead of going the direction they should have.
Weaver thought Ridley was better as a yass kween don’t-need-no-man, so what we got instead was…this.

>>214658344
Checked. I got you.

Best theory is it was Bishop. He was alone and had plenty enough time to bring an egg aboard the frigate with the drop-ship.
There’s more to it I can’t remember including the second marine team, which is completely unheard of but makes perfect logistical sense from the W-Y business standpoint. I’ll go scour the internet, and if I can find you some information I will.

It’s all fan theory, and it relies on Bishop being just programmably psycho as previous models but also more devious and convincing, as he was the upgrade.

>>214654497 (OP)
I like it more than Aliens, one alien is scarier than a bunch ants.

>>214654497 (OP)
Even James Cameron hates the story.

>>214658344
Here you go:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=adUvkY_sNHA&pp=ygUdYWxpZW4gdGhlb3J5IGJpc2hvcCBpbmZlY3RlZCDSBwkJ4AkBhyohjO8%3D


I don’t like to think of Bishop is anything other than lawful good / a true blue hero.
The “prison planet hyperspace fever dream” is my go to explanation.

Neill Blomkamp had a great treatment for where he would have taken the story. There was art created for Hicks and Ripley. It looked tits.
Fucking Ridley Scott caught wind of his people were jizzing over the idea of a Blomkamp Alien film and said, “Nyooh!”
That if people wanted more Aliens verse, then fine, he would do it himself. Like a little bitch, but hey, it’s his baby.

And that’s how Prometheus was born.

firs time watching I thought I was going to really enjoy it because I didnt really like what Aliens turn Alien into, but as it goes on it gets worse and worse. and then the rest of the franchise. didnt know how good I had it with Aliens

>>214655176
Fincher was one of the pioneers of the style of colour grading that we've all grown to hate. I like his films but this aspect of his film making deserves to be called out.

Now I’m just posting more Blomkamp concept art in case anyone didn’t know and might like to. There’s a bunch.

>>214658837
the Blomkamp Alien 3 was proposed between Prometheus and Covenant, not before Prometheus

Strapped with explosives. wtf?

I mean look at this friggin’ shit.
Like “what?!”
I would have loved to have seen this.

Because they didn’t make this movie, that’s why he and Sigourney did all those shorts together instead.

>>214655357
>It's not difficult to imagine a modest rewrite/re-edit of Alien 3 that places it between Alien 1 and Aliens.

I like Alien 3 a lot, but I kinda feel it would have worked better if Ripley & Pals just weren't in it at all. Weyland Yutani transport carrying xeno specimens crashes on prison planet, an infected individual survives the crash, chestburst in the infirmary, a group of scrappy lifers in rusty sewer pipe hell desperately try to defend themselves with makeshift traps and tools modified into weapons while a jet-black demon picks them off one by one. That's a good fucking premise right there.

>>214658991
Oh shit, my bad.
I’ll go do my homework before committing to anything else, but I do rent the campfire talk about RScott feeling burnt by the concept and gripping to the IP. The fan gripes were definitely the reason as well for him bringing the xeno back in Covenant.

>>214656345
That fight did fuck things up. That’s why the reactor is going critical, giving them a ticking clock.

>>214659087
yeah it was still Ridley who put a stop to it because he thought he was going to make more David movies

>>214654872
>I think I read the script wasn't originally written as an Alien franchise film it was adapted into one and it shows.
This is basically *the* problem with almost every "mainline" Alien movie past Aliens, a non-stop fundamental corporate violation of the "franchise"

>>214654497 (OP)
I don't think 4chan is a hivemind on this topic, but generally the reason people hate Alien 3 is because it's not Aliens 3.
>"noooo my perfect family unit happy ending was ruined"
>people dying in a horror franchise shocker
>can't enjoy a movie without guns
Snowflake cucks that get filtered by the opening scene where people die in a fucking Alien movie will never enjoy the beauty of this film, and the opening is pure cinema
I would be ok with another story where they all live, but I like the dark tones this took and I'm glad that screeching kid was killed off and the fake fans seethe and cope with muh "there are only two Alien movies" shit

>>214654497 (OP)
Even Fincher got his name removed from it, shut the fuck up.

>>214658106
I don't know why people are so attached to such an insufferable character
The opening and the autopsy scene are masterful in setting the tone for the film, which is dark and doesn't give a fuck about your feelings

>>214656303
Honestly I just want the theatrical cut with some insertions of the matte painting scenes that are in AC.

AC is indeed long, solves a plot hole no one cared about to notice, and it removes some of the teeth that theatrical has. Fuck the ox-cadaver and fuck no queen birth-scene during the finale. Ripley's life is pain, might as well include it. The final look of Ripley carassing the xeno is far stronger as well. She dies happy.

>>214654754
Thread ended here.

>>214654497 (OP)
It's just bleak, gray and dull. The bri'ish accents don't help. The first one had wonder and tension, the second had excitement and action, this one has depressing dialogue and shitty effects.

>>214654497 (OP)
Does >>>/tv/ really?

>>214654497 (OP)
3 is better than aliens.

Seeing ^3 as a Ripley dream, can make me enjoy it better. *chortles* nah, it's so fookin boring mate.

>>214654497 (OP)
my mum always says they made her look too butch in this one. didnt like it. she liked when she was relatable and had a cat called jonesy

>>214654497 (OP)
I love it. /tv/ is an Alien 3 board.

>>214663440
Well Ripley had been through shit.

>>214663450
I've always loved how it slides into the frame. It's the perfect speed. Think about it for a second,. Too slow or too fast would look fake, this is perfection.

>>214654497 (OP)
make them kiss

>>214654504
it's not better
both are kino
>>214654497 (OP)
it's kino

>>214663440
A3 is a very unlikeable movie which is why it's so fascinating.

>movie 1 sets up the world
>it's dire, but the main chick escapes and the alien dies
>movie 2 continues bleak worldbuilding
>but it gives the character a sense of purpose and hope
>movie 3 takes away all hope
>movie 3 makes the worldbuilding even more dire and places Ripley in a genuinely depressing setting
>movie 3's character motivations are to maintain the status quo of the human corpo-universe without any sense of hope, and they fight to not make it even worse

It's pretty admirable and I doubt they were knowing what they were doing, but this movie is one of the main reasons why I love ayylmao universe so much (not including AE)

>>214654504
Nah, but I like Resurrection too, which gets unfairly shat on like Alien 3 does.

>>214654497 (OP)
>Why does /tv/ hate this?

It doesn't. Alien is beloved.

>>214663450
I prefer a wider angle.

>>214656285
your dad is based. too based. geld him and chain him in tartarus for your own safety

I love Fincher and feel for him disowning the film.

>>214654758
>It's a bit unfortunate that Clemens was honest about himself with Ripley (establishing trust/intimacy), and this honesty was never requited

Many such cases, am I right, bros?

>>214654758
>criminals are icky!
lame complaint

>>214654497 (OP)
it was a shit movie

>>214656285
Why are you trying to inflict tv slop on your own father? Sad! You should be watching dad-core with him, like westerns, boats, gangsters, and war. Here, try these out...

>Bridge on the River Kwai
>Moby Dick
>Untouchables
>Tombstone
>We Were Soldiers

>>214663590
A:R gets a pass because its so French and weird. Also it has prime qt WinRy.

>>214654497 (OP)
It should have been set on a wooden space hulk monastery space station.

>>214654504
Resurrection is gross. You see ripleys clone deformed body and titties, and she screws an alien, and there’s an ugly human hybrid. Alien 3 looks cool at least

>>214664795
>because its so French and weird
That's always plus when it comes to films for me, where the director has a vision and carries it out and imprints it on the movie. A lot of movies these days feel like they're made by committee at the studio's behest.

>>214656768
>new protagonist in Newt
No, they didn't. Newt deserved to live a wholesome new life paid for by the corporations where she never had another bad dream in her life.

>>214654497 (OP)
it's orange like vomit and brown like shit

i hate everyone except the guy that gets killed 1/3 in

it takes place in two corridors

>>214664907
>i hate everyone except the guy that gets killed 1/3 in
Charles Dance was great as usual.

>threads for new slop show aren't getting enough real responses
>quick start a thread reopening the Aliens v 3 v AR debate again

your job is stupid

>>214664851
>A lot of movies these days feel like they're made by committee at the studio's behest.

Indeed!!
Just look at Alien Earth. Or Alien Romulus, or Alien Covenant. Prometheus wasnt great becauseScott is senile,, but at least it looked halfway decent.

>>214664851
what vision? Delivering a boring, gross as shit film with 0 horror elements? At least Tuco is in it

>>214664965
It's a film with a GREAT ASS in it.

>>214664965
>what vision?
Winona Ryder being a sexy tomboy synthetic.

>>214664991
>>214665003
both of these things are true.

>>214654497 (OP)
While it’s well-made on a technical level, it is a wildly unsatisfying closer to a trilogy. Instead of letting Ripley ride off into the sunset with Newt, Hicks, and Bishop, and let a new character take over the story, they shit all over her character progression just so they could keep Sigourney Weaver’s name on the poster. She went from conquering her trauma and reclaiming a part of herself (motherhood) by the end of Aliens, into a physically and mentally broken mess in 3.

It is an aggressively mean-spirited movie, and there’s not a single likeable or relatable character once you get beyond Ripley. It’s all interchangeable bald Brits yelling “FUCK” in dark corridors, whereas 1 and 2 had a colorful cast of distinct characters who all brought something to the table. Even Dylan, who’s arguably the co-lead spends basically all of it yelling and manhandling Ripley with his Malcom X act.

There’s also the fact that the entire story hinges on a plot hole. How did the eggs make it aboard the Sulaco to start with? The queen’s ovipositor was destroyed, so she couldn’t have laid them, and there’s plenty of shots of her walking around, so it’s not like she carried a few aboard “just in case”.

>>214654504
Based and truthpilled

>>214664818
The wooden Death Star had a lake on top? This needs to be made into a movie Alien or not.

>>214654872
It’s sort of a mishmash of possible scripts. There were supposedly around 20 possible scripts that were candidates for Alien 3, one of which ended up being Pitch Black, and there’s another one that got reworked into another half-ass well known monster movie that escapes me at the moment.

Alien > Aliens > 3 > Prometheus > Romulus > Resurrection > Covenant > Earf

>>214665055
I love Pitch Black.

>>214665020
i always assumed the egg fell out of the queen in the sulaco "somehow", maybe there was one left in her remains

>>214659127
Literally the only thing it has in common with Alien Resurrection is the last 10 minutes, which it does better than Resurrection did, and I say that as someone who fucking loathes Prometheus and Covenant.

>>214662182
>”Can I dream?”

Seriously, fuck them for doing that.

>>214665099
I think the egg sac is sorta important to the development of the eggs. Like, they don't just pop out full sized from her alien pussy.

>>214665051
It's such a cool setpiece concept. Imagine the textures and sounds and tricks of the light that would have been possible with all the beams and rafters and stained glass.

>>214654497 (OP)
I don't even hate it. It's just the first mid entry in the franchise. After the second one they had a number of concepts that would work, but Weaver wanted things her way on Parts 3 and 4, and both were just failures from the conceptual stages. Both entries hired absolutely Triple A directors, and both said they were lousy, difficult shoots. All the writers said they basically had avalanches of notes from the executives and Weaver and just had to make the best with a bad hand.

Like I said, I don't think 3 and 4 are all that bad, they just aren't on the same level as 2 or 3.

>>214654872
The entire production was a chaotic mess. They initially hired Vincent Ward who came up with a crazy concept, which is precisely why you hire someone like him, and then the studio said "this is crazy" but decided to keep random elements, like a planet of monks. Hence the shaved heads. Then randomly they are like "I don't get Monks. Just keep the designs and themes and make them rapists and murderers". Both 3 and 4 are packed with nonsensical choices like this. 4 initially had Danny Boyle. He got sick of it. They brought in Jeunet and Caro. Then Caro was like "fuck this shit" and walked. Fincher had his photographer fired by the studio because he was "old". They then kept fucking with every choice, so he quit as soon as shooting wrapped. And so on.

>>214665020
>It’s all interchangeable bald Brits yelling “FUCK” in dark corridors,
kek. But really the cast was one of the better things of the movie.

>>214656553
>mentions 90's era
>Shit stained photography
Mentioned it above, but it was spot on. They sacked the original DP and wanted a "younger, cooler" DP to make it look more like their favourite music videos.

>>214658344
>Implied it was a Y-W set up
they ALWAYS say this stupid shit. The original movie was a set up, the company had of course known about the alien for decades and sent their ship there so the crew would get infected, die and their ship destroyed! Then Aliens was a set up, the company spent most of a century building a nice, thriving colony just to send colonist to the alien ship, get everyone killed, send a billion dollar ship there and get their troops killed and nuke everything! Then oh look, Ripley made it out, they'll set it up so she dies on some prison planet! hehe, they're such jokers!

>>214665085
>ywn get your own cute tomboy waifu to go explore the galaxy with

>>214665020
>interchangeable bald Brits

oh, we all look the same to you? fucking racist.

>>214665631
She definitely grew up.

>>214665099
It's not one egg. IT'S TWO! One needed to impregnate Ripley causing the fire, and one to impregnate the ox/dog. It's so stupid. Just find eggs elsewhere! There's nothing worse in a story than pretending le "actually it wasn't safe after all!"

>>214654497 (OP)
posted this in the AE general, why not post it here as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHvTycoUwRA&list=PLkHV5OzeFEkEqaE44WEiAw_a33OTQEfZi
on how everyone helped fuck up that movie, including Sigourney with her power tripping

Aliens hits you in a place you didn’t know was raw until that monster shows up. Forget the studio talk about androids and gimmicks. The real pull is that xenomorph, that nightmare made flesh and shadow. It’s a creature you don’t just watch; you feel it creeping inside your gut, crawling into the sweat and fear. The way it moves, patient and brutal, it’s the dark pulse underneath all the noise of gunfire and screaming. You connect with it because it’s pure survival, pure instinct, far more honest than any polished human lie.

Sure, Bishop and the androids shape the story a bit, some quiet tension in the background. But it’s the xenomorph that owns the screen. It’s the unpredictable force that just won’t quit, a living god of chaos and death. That monster isn’t just a villain; it’s the reason the fear sticks in your bones, the reason Ripley has to be more than tough, she has to be primal too.

And speaking of Ripley, the women in Aliens are everything, gritty, fierce, unbreakable. She’s not a hero because she’s strong in a usual way; she’s a survivor because she’s wrapped in scared, raw humanity. Her fight for Newt feels like love and terror tangled up in one ugly beautiful mess. The xenomorph’s presence makes everyone sharp and alive, human and monster circling each other like some dark dance. It’s a film about connection, to fear, to survival, to the things that gnaw at your soul when you thought you were done fighting.

>>214665151
>>214665663
you're right. cameron would not have let this slide. the movie makers just didn't care to think it through, "the audience will make somehting up"

>>214665720
Even Ridley would have had them find eggs elsewhere. Having them magically appear after the movie's conclusion secretly on the ship in a corner somewhere is the worst decision possible.

>>214665852
>>214665720
Like, why wouldn't they have checked the dropship to make sure another alien didn't sneak onboard? If a big ass alien queen could do it I would make sure a small one wasn't hiding in there somewhere as well. Which means they should have found the eggs if they just looked around for 5 minutes before deciding to just go to sleep.

>>214665852
>>214665720
>cameron would not have let this slide
in Aliens, the alien queen teleporting up the elevator shaft and onto the ship without anyone noticing never made any sense either.

>>214657917
You keep saying boring but it isn't a criticism.
"Boring" is your lack of vocabulary to actually come up with legit criticism.

Ask yourself WHY you found something "boring" and you'll find actual criticism.

>>214665897
it didn't teleport up the shaft. Ripley hit the button on both elevators because she was panicking. She got on one, but the other picked up the Queen. Then Bishop had to take off and circle in the dropship because the platform was unstable. That gave time for Ripley to have to wait around, and the Queen's elevator to arrive up at the platform. Bishop hovered the dropship and got Ripley onboard, but an explosion pushed the dropship sideways into debris, and the Queen jumped onboard. Then the dropship took off to escape.

>>214654497 (OP)
it's kino.

OFFICIAL RANKING
Alien > Alien 3 > Alien 2 > Alien Covenant > Prometheus > Alien Romulus > Alien 4

>>214654497 (OP)
Unironically the last good piece of Alien media

>>214665952
>an insect understanding how elevators work enough to get on a different elevator knowing it is a vehicle to the same destination as the first

the queen obviously laid the 2 eggs in the drop ship before being discovered by Ripley. its much easier to justify than her knowing how elevators work or identifying that she needs to get on a dropship to pursue organic lifeforms.

>>214666105
Have you fucking watched the series?
They are smart, they can work shit out and you play videogames as xenos that press buttons and shit like the freeze room button in 4.

Also, will you drop the 2 eggs thing.
The common theory on the egg and how/why/when is that in an emergency the queen can deposit and emergency egg that gives birth to a royal facehugger, the one with webbing and armor.
This facehugger can deposit 2 eggs; 1 queen and 1 drone so the new queen can start making more eggs and the drone brings people to facehug

>>214666105
>than her knowing how elevators work or identifying that she needs to get on a dropship to pursue organic lifeforms
The aliens ARE NOT stupid. They never have been. They take a second to figure unfamiliar things out, but they're highly intelligent. For as much as you shit on Aliens and pretend it shows them as unintelligent insects, Aliens actually shows them as very fast learners. As you said, the Queen understands it's a transport vehicle and just needs a button press. The Queen understands it's she can follow Ripley into the aircraft and get at her. The warriors fight the turrets and don't know what they are at first. In the second fight when they figure out they're simply robots and not worth defeating, the warriors go around and curbstomp the marines. But alas, please continue to pretend Aliens depicts them as retardedly unintelligent, and continue to mock the movie for ever showing them as smart because that is OBVIOUSLY also a stupid shortcoming of the movie.

>>214666214
>"the audience will make something up"
yes, good boy. We knew you'd headcanon something to justify our now giving a flying fuck.

>>214666254
>>214666214
>they're really smart
>but they wouldn't lay eggs in a ship after sneaking into it, that's ridiculous
>nor could a single exhausted woman fail to find two eggs I'm not just mad because the qt grl and generic male lead died offscreen

BZZZZZZZ i win the debate.

>you play videogames as xenos that press buttons and shit

embarrassing. goodbye to you both.

>>214666105
they are not dumb insects. they cut the power, remember? imagine the level of intelligence necessary to realize what "power" is, how important it is, how it is conducted to where the humans are, and to actually cut the power.

>>214665584
Bad Calls were made, ok?
Just a few bad calls.

>>214654497 (OP)
>why does /tv/ hate this?

Look how long this thread is, OP. There’s your answer.

>>214658552
>Best theory is it was Bishop.
He was not in a condition to do any of that shit.

>>214666422
I love Burke as a character. He's not some evil villain as they all are now. Just a midlevel executive that saw a chance at a potential big payday everyone else was ignoring, then made a few screwups that he kept trying to conceal as they snowballed bigger and bigger. Even in the very end, Ripley had pity enough on him to give him a grenade to blow himself up instead of birthing an alien

>>214666457
We're not supposed to have a discussion? Or somehow convey it all in one word responses?

>>214666473
How is he not some evil villain? Everything you just said is cartoonishly evil in every way.

>>214665917
Not him. But I think people find it boring because it's just unpleasant people arguing about what to do. Which is literally Dan O'Bannond formula and worked well with the first film. It might be because this is just a retread of that formula except the stakes are reduced owing to the fact that most people would be happy to see these guys die and it relies on a lot of Deus Ex Machina's - the fictional world will just "have" solutions to problems. You don't feel like you are working out the problem with the characters. Also the drab and claustrophobic photography and production design. The original had the huge opening act on the weird planet and ship. They probably needed an act that took place elsewhere or did something interesting with the creatures.

>>214666508
Nta but I wouldn't say cartoonish. He's a slimy cunt whose greed fucks everyone over. This is pretty standard for everyday scumbags in real life.

>>214666410
They were dumb when the script required it.

>>214666508
None of it is cartoonishly evil until around 3/4 of the way into the movie when he's already in such deep shit he has no options left.
>Burke starts as the only one to believe Ripley and wants to verify her story to help her and himself
>He tiptoes into seeing if her story is true by sending a message to the colony to have them send a rover simply to see if there's a ship there. He doesn't want them to go inside and wants to keep it a secret so he can get the bonus; not his fault they decided to go inside, and wanting to profit is understandable and not cartoonishly evil.
If colonists had spotted the ship, then returned home and reported back that it was there, everything would have been swell.
>Burke sets up well armed and equipped team to go rescue the colonists. Everything at that point should have also worked out great. Marines shoot and kill all aliens, rescue any trapped colonists, grab a few samples to put in storage and return to company labs.
They were not supposed to get into some crazy situation where they couldn't shoot back or have the dropship crash.
At this point, there's been so many lives lost, equipment destroyed, and so much money wasted, that Burke is freaking the fuck out since all blame will be laid on him. So yes, this drives him to try and change the narrative, shift blame towards something else, and still try and grab a payday. That's understandable and not cartoonishly evil.
>Ripley checks the logs and sees he was the one trying to verify her story but didn't warn the colonists
Here's where he gets more evil. She threatens to make sure his life is ruined and he goes to jail forever. Over what is justifiably an actual bad call and not malevolence. So he decides to have her and Newt impregnated, then sabotage the Marine's cryopods. That's not redeemable, but again, everything was collapsing on him and he's panicking. It's a good arc and believable versus the antagonists of today that are superevil from the start and at all times.

>>214666586
no, they weren't.

>>214654497 (OP)
Because it killed two characters from Aliens is why.
I saw it in 1992 and I never gave a shit and couldn't understand the hate.

>>214666729
Trying to murder a child is not "panicking".

>>214666896
I'll say this really slowly for the low-iqs such as yourself: you. do. not. immediately. undo. and. shit on. the. ending. of. the. previous. movie. You want your movie to do well and be enjoyed by the audience? Don't do that idiotic shit. You want your movie to be hated and ruin the franchise for half a century? Then by all means, do that idiotic shit.

>>214666991
We have a new, more interesting story to tell Chud, stop enjoying the good stuff because here is my newest version that needs to make money

>>214666991
But all the scripts with them surviving were dogshit.

>>214654497 (OP)
Because all the women are ugly and the monster is fucking stupid. It's a space lion that broke out of its space cage and now chases the space retards across the space zoo. The facehugger/impregnation/kill stuff is pretty neat but you can't milk that for forty fucking years.

Alien Earth is what this universe should have always been. Now we get space lions, space zebras, space leeches, space ticks, space squids, and then we get a shitload of things on Earth that are deadlier than the xeno. It's far more interesting.

>>214663590
Best alien design in the franchise.
Coolest concept.
Most in common with Alien Earth?
Submit.

>>214664927
Alien Earth has more vision than the rest of this dogshit franchise put together.

>>214667159
Yeah I didn't mind the design.

>>214665686
I'm a nonWhite homosexual btw.

I only have a problem with the initial circumstances. "But how'd the egg get there?" "HEY SHUT UP AND JUST FILM IT."

And then there's the assembly cut: "A dead ox? I thought the host had to be alive during gestation." "HEY SHUT UP AND FILM IT."

>>214667140
That's not interesting whatsoever. The interesting thing about the Alien universe is that it IS EMPTY. There's nothing there. It's lonely and dark. And they stumbled upon one long dead alien creature and accidentally reawakened it. They have one chance to kill it off again and prevent it from taking over their planet like it desires. This shit isn't star trek and star wars. There's not a billion aliens all over every planet. That's not interesting. This is interesting because it's finally a different take to the usual shit found in those. And exactly why Prometheus is crap since it ruins that key aspect of the story. With Prometheus, now they're not aliens whatsoever, but beings created recently alongside humanity by their common ancestor. Not even a few decades old. Yawn.

>>214667212
How about:
>hey, why would the ship be flying right next to a prison planet right when the facehugger made a fire? did it know they were next to a planet? why would it just jettison their pods onto a planet instead of like just venting the atmosphere and putting out the fire?
>hey, doesn't it take weeks/months to get to other worlds? How was weyland yutani able to hear about the ship crash, which should have taken weeks, and send a recovery team, which should have taken more weeks, all in a few days?
>HEY SHUT UP AND FILM IT!

>>214666729
the Company knew about the xeno, "crew expandable"'d the nostromo, received ripley's sign off message and was looking for her for the 50 years of her disappearance. they find her, debrief her and let her sit on her ass for a while (we don't know how long between the debrief and burke knocking on her door telling them contact has been lost with the colony)

we can assume that during that time, he (and specifically him) sent Newt's parents to go look for the derelict between the debrief and him contacting ripley about the contact loss with the colony, with full knowledge of what would be encountered and what would ensue.

he assembles a shit team of thug marines (who don't stand to attention in front of their superiors, but instead slouch and make jokes at them) with an inexperienced team leader (Gorman), in order for the mission to fail catastrophically, and extract some xeno specimens, hitching a ride on the USCM ship under the excuse of restoring communication with the colony (we can assume from this, there is some sort of higher authority preventing the Company from straight up grabbing a science ship and going to LV426 to gather alien specimens, instead having to go around in the shadows redirecting haulers and other people with excuses to land there)

this is all machiavelically pre-planned and with full knowledge of the results. full evil. which is why the burke actor is such a kind fresh face guy, to make people believe he didn't do anything wrong.

where the plan fails is that he himself goes there and takes with him the only survivor of an encounter, that was a bad idea. neither he nor ripley should've gone, and he should've just send an android to get a specimen on the down low, but that way we wouldn't have a movie now would we

>>214667192
You're not a real Alien fan if you wouldn't do this if given the opportunity.

>>214667343
I would gladly make kissy faces with Brad Dourif against glass. It would be the highlight of my year.

>>214667388
kek

>>214667388
He's just got that face.

>>214667343
It's what Giger would've wanted us to

>>214667583
Giger unironically liked Resurrection.

>>214667288
Why would Burke set the Marines up for failure, but then go with them? Even going so far as to land on the planet with the doomed mussion? There are "bad calls", and then there are "suicidaly retarded calls".

>>214667618
Giger is Swiss, that's practically the same thing as being French. Of course he enjoyed that weirdness.

>>214667689
He wasn't from the French part.

I aw it when it came out. Here's my thoughts about it back then:
Too brown/rust colored overall.
Bald Ripley ain't sexy.
Bad and cheap SFX of the xeno.
I liked the doom and gloom feel of it.
The no weapons prison setting was good.
The ending was a good idea badly executed with abysmal SFX. No problem with Ripley killing herself, but that whole grabbing the xeno as it came out was way too much and felt ridiculous.

>>214667875
>Bald Ripley ain't sexy.
She's not ever supposed to be sexy. In any of the movies. It's not a sex series. Ripley being a woman is just incidental. If anything, Alien 3 put her sexuality more in the light with her almost raped then fucking the doctor.

>>214667875
>Bald Ripley ain't sexy.
For you.

>>214667928
Is that why they have her do a striptease in the first one?

>>214668199
In Sigourney's own words: she's alone, just spent days sweating and afraid for her life. She's getting ready for bed so of course she'll take off her clothes, doofus. There's not supposed to be anyone there and the crew was comfortable around each other nude anyway.

>>214667928
>is just incidental
a woman being the protagonist of a horror movie is hardly incidental

>>214668408
She wasn't the protagonist, dumb fuck. She wasn't even revealed to be the survivor of the first movie until 80% of the way through and it was a shock. Her character could have been Parker and it changes nothing. In the sequel she's just along for the ride as an advisor again for 80% of the movie. You idiot dorks act like she's Anakin Skywalker or some shit and everyone knew she had a prophecy to fight the aliens all along.

>>214668621
yeah that's how horror movies work, Ripley is the final girl

Original trilogy
Alien > Alien 3 AC > Aliens

Subsequent movies
Prometheus > Covenant > Romulus > Resurrection

Original trilogy
Alien > Alien Isolation > Aliens

Cash grabs and non-canon silliness
Alien 3 > Resurrection > Romulus

Completely unrelated slop bait and switches
Prometheus > Covenant

>>214655339
They get worse after that one

They arent even reallly thrillers anymore

Prometheus is great though and i would recommend

Romulus is cool too but its for like the 12y/o Netflix fandom

>>214654497 (OP)
Because good Alien movies have the Xenomorph presence well linked with the human story with good story, it's made integral.
Ali3n? It's a movie where the human story could essentially stand on its own without much rewriting, and it's a fucking boring one at that. I hate movies that think they're saying more than they actually are.
But yeah it's not an Alien movie, despite the fact they shoved in a Xenomorph. It's just a quasi philosophical dreary film that insists on itself™

Missed opportunity not having prime Newt running around a steamy refinery in a one piece or striped panties wielding a flamethrower senpai.

>>214654754
>>214656307
>>214661462
t. brainlets

>>214659029
What the fuck is the idea here

I always wondered how exactly Le Company was going to 'weaponize' the ayys, is this the best way anyone could come up with?

>>214667265
The franchise already plays fast and loose with time in just how ludicrously quick the ayy seems to grow from little nipper to big boy

>>214654497 (OP)
This image is effectively the ending of American history x

>>214654758
>and they're all BALD
jej

>>214671491
That only started with 3 and onwards. 1 and 2 were consistent. It's gotten worse since 3 didn't get a shit about any continuity for making a coherent lore.

>>214672690
Even in the first film there only seems to be like a few hours or a day between the interrupted breakfast and Brett's abduction

>>214654497 (OP)
Aliens fags got attached to the other survivors and couldn't let it go.

>>214673056
imagine dragging same 3 characters through 2 horror movies in a row

>>214674076
No one said you needed to do that at all. Predator 2 already showed that you just move on to a new group of characters in another location. There was zero reason to use Ripley, Newt, and Hicks again since their story was done and concluded.

>>214656986
He even disowns the thing.

>>214655940
I think I saw the Weiner cut of this film.

>>214674076
It's not like they had to follow it up right off the end of Aliens. Like another anon said in this thread, they could have skipped a decade ahead, added a little bit of wrinkle makeup to Weaver and Biehn, and recast a 20-something Newt.

Or, even better, just bring in an whole new cast.

>>214666473
He was such a great asshole actor I refused to watch Mad About You until years after it was cancelled.

>>214666729
I loved Aliens as a kid when it came out.
As an adult, it's a failure
1) Alien warning no longer being sent out in the time that they establish a colony there
2) WY knows exactly where the Nostromo and the refinery went - that radio message to Antartica Control would eventually be picked up.
3) WY knows what sector the ship was sent - they have flight manifests and even changed out the science officer with Ash a week before the refining mission was deployed (verified by the novelization, there's even a conversation between Ripley and Cartwrite's character if either had slept with him before
4) CREW EXPENDABLE - WY knew about the ship and had already translated the message before the Nostromo launched

56 years goes by and WY bioweapons never try to continue the mission? Bullshit.

Aliens 3 was mediocre - Alien Ressurection sucked balls other than being quotable (who do I have to fuck to get off this ship) and the shoplifting robot talking about hating computer networks because it's cold in there.

>>214654497 (OP)
Alien 3 was actually my first alien and so for a long time I defended its honor. But now I've seen them all and thought about it. And the problem with 3 is that it just doesn't do anything new and is so inferior to the original. Also, the only good sequel is Resurrection.

>>214654504
>"Who were you expecting santi-claus"
yeah no, garbage fucking joss whedon writing and retarded film making killed that film

>>214661219
You sound like a butthurt Fox executive

>>214666105
They're not insects, you midwit. They're intelligent creatures who learn and adapt.

>>214661219
self insert fags got owned by the hix is instakill and never recovered

>>214666214
I never noticed it's a different hugger

>>214676769
>does the shape of my wife's head amuse you?

>>214677661
Because that's not in the movie and just some bullshit they had been considering to explain why Ripley's is different. There's two eggs and two huggers. It just modifies itself when there's no queen to start a nest.

>>214666214
we have lost the good looking prop technology and lighting technology

>read 5 alien books
>best one is some weird self insert fetish about a mid 40s guy lusting after an 18 year old newt
I enjoyed all the alien video games though, even the dumb ones.

>>214654497 (OP)
SIX GODDAM ALIEN THREADS!!

WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING DISNEY, YOU ARE DESPERATE TO SHILL YOUR LATEST ABOMINATION

NOTHING WILL EVER MAKE ME INTERESTED IN THE ALIEN FRANCHISE RUN BY DISNEY!!
NOTHING!!
YOU'RE NOT GETTING ONE DIME OUT OF ME

the shills do the same thing for indiana jones and any disney franchise whenever some new shitty thing comes out

>>214654504
This post encouraged me to finally watch Ressurection and I enjoyed it. Cool

>>214654872
The script was alien from the start. It was just shit.
Two kike producers wrote it and admittedly didn't give a shit. They wanted their money and their credit and shut down anything else. For some reason they also had Sigourney on their side and the three of them choked out any chance of this being okay.