Thread 215165795

Do people really hate Skyler that much?

>>215165795 (OP)
She fucked Ted.

>>215165802
Yup. Cheating whore and hypocrite

>>215165795 (OP)
>nooo dude a woman must support her husband doing heinous illegal crimes
wow chuds are pathetic

>>215165795 (OP)
Ofc, Walter should have killed her and his retarded child.

>>215165828
All Walter did was produce a substance that people voluntarily brought; everything else that was "bad" was done for his and his family's survival.
Stop being a Drug War boot licker.

>>215165795 (OP)
Are these guys media illiterate or what? She's VERY supportive after she has a completely understandable freakout at the start.

>but she's not as good at it as le HEISENBURG
OK so?

>has to specify character is female
Why are incels like this...

>>215165795 (OP)
>the man is the one who needs steadiness

Are you gay?? Do you need a dick in the butt too??

>>215165795 (OP)
>a female character
It's a charactress.

>>215165795 (OP)
the resting bitch face didn't help

When I watched the series I came in with the expectation that she was going to be a waste of itme, a spike in the back of the characters like Jack Bauer's daughter...but oyu know what, no, they did a great job, she made a mistake with Ted, but again is not like the protagonist is a saint, it felt like a believable flaw, she supported him with finding a legit business with the car cleaning, she found the and instructed the guy to make sure they could get a good price on it, she wanted to isolate Walter because she was understandibly scared of what he was doing, so, of all the bad wives characters, I don't think she is one of them.

>>215165845
The show literally portrays multiple times how drugs destroy families. The addict of a drug isn't the only one who suffers from their addiction, it's their family and their friends. Why do libertarians have the brain capacity of an edgy teenager?

>>215165847
Being both complicit and a bitch about it is why she’s a terrible character. The people now defending her keep acting like she dindu nuffin and was a victim.
Funnily it’s the same with Carmella Soprano but there they at least spent time exploring the inconsistency. She complains but takes the money. She’s more upset about Tony cheating than being a murdering mob boss. Once again feminist retards online acted like she was a sainted victim.

The recurring theme is that women have no agency and are always the victim. And the most they can do in life is whine. They’re terrible people and characters.
This is why Better Rim Kim is so exceptional in writing a woman who actually has her own drive and her own faults. Even when Jimmy fucks up they DON’T let it become a story about how he has to make it up to her or win her affections back. She also spurs him to backslide and enjoys being criminal to a level she’s comfortable with.
Amazingly this is done without then falling into the girlboss trap where she’s some superpowered navy seal on the side or always has the answers because she’s a secret genius.

>>215165795 (OP)
>She ruined his empire
I mean he was a criminal who caused immense suffering. She should have called the police.

Early Skyler was definitely an awful character and deserved the hate.

>>215165828
>nooo dude cheating on your husband with a clown who embezzles his company's money and commits tax fraud is good

>>215165976
>won't someone think of the children!
boot licker talking point to take away your god given rights. Might as well ban alcohol, gambling, smoking, and fast food while you're at it.

>>215165937
She didn't help my mommy issues one bit only got worse after every rewatch
Used to hate her but compared to actual modern women she's pretty goated

>woman doesn't want her dying husband to make meth
>OH MY GAWD WOMEN HAVE SUCH HIGH STANDARDS

>>215165984
Good post. I agree with what you say about Kim and although I felt the same way as you describe when I watched the show it didn't occur to me until you brought it up that Kim is in a way a redemption for Bravo Vince after his handling of Skyler a decade earlier. Skyler was a poorly handled Carmella without the complexity. Kim was something else entirely and far more nuanced than either.

>>215165795 (OP)
This nigga should watch The Sopranos, Carm is so much worse than Skyler.

Growing up is realizing that Walt was the bad guy of the TV show.
Obviously, if you think Walt was the good guy, you'd find Skyler to be an annoying bitch. When you realize how evil Walt was, Skyler stops being so annoying.

>>215165795 (OP)
I don’t mind her and it’s obvious that she was a victim who didn’t deserve to be hated. At the same time she’s kind of a boring character and not very memorable. It feels like the writers had no vision for her character beyond serving as a prop to degrade and mutate in Walter’s periphery as he became a worse person.

>>215166228

Carm was a good wife, the fact which Tony admitted.

>Tony is sick, she cares
>Tony is wounded, she cares
>Tony has cops on his ass, she cares

Skyler on the other hand:

>On no! My husband got cancer, but he doesn't pay me much attention because he is busy providing for us so I will flirt with my coworker while I'm still pregnant and then fuck him!

>>215165976
>LE HECKIN SHOWERINO LITERALLY SHOWS HOW....

>>215165802
/thread

>>215165802
I hated that cunt, at least Carmela Soprano was discreet with her whorish affair and knew the what she signed up for. Skylar was an unlikable shrew.

>>215165795 (OP)
she left a very bad first impression with the half-assed ebay handjob

>>215165976
You're looking at the addicts like they're victims of circumstances beyond their control and not as self-destructive cancers who brought it on themselves. Empathy cannot be infinitely extended, especially to people who willingly destroy themselves for fleeting euphoria.

>>215165976
But enough about alcohol

>>215165795 (OP)
>current year
>still watching Breaking Trash over the superior TV kino that they clearly ripped off
Pic related did everything BB did but better in every way.

>>215165795 (OP)
>>215166533
Skylar is probably the worst written character in all of media. Not only does she have more bad than good traits (which ruins immersion, because there’s no way anyone would actually marry her), but most importantly, all of her scenes are so BOOOOORING - they always ruin the pace of the series.

>>215166332
Not to mention the whole
>Hey family members, just gonna drown myself in the pool real quick right in front of all of you, no one try to stop me.
I fugged ted was far from her only woman moment.

>>215165795 (OP)
I don't hate her. I just think a man deserves more than a disinterested handjob from his wife on his birthday.

>>215166257
To be fair they couldn't really do much with her character that wouldn't have totally turned the show on its head. If she figured it out earlier and told Hank, the show would've been over. The only other possibility I can think of is her becoming complicit earlier and helping with the drug dealing somehow, which would honestly be unrealistic for a female character without a competitive spirit and the show needed her as a voice of reason.

>>215166585
>doesn't give him real bacon on his birthday breakfast and young, healthy Walt Jr. has to eat the fake bullshit too
>Skyler hosts an intervention to make Walter get treatment
>Walter knows he's a dead man and wants to die with dignity
>based Hank agrees with him and Skyler seethes
I became more sympathetic towards Skyler when she was freaking out over Walter being a criminal but she was already colossal bitch before she even knew about anything.

Fun fact: Anna Gunn voiced Ariel in the Legacy of Kain series

>>215166718
Maybe if she had been a better wife he wouldn't have become a murderous drug kingpin. I've never been married, is it really so hard to treat your spouse like a human being?

>>215165795 (OP)
Skyler looks like a tranny.

>>215166228
You're fucking retarded

>>215166770
apparently it is, I mean really. almost got married and the treatment was absurd

>>215166816
This.

>>215165828
That's not the argument made, it's that she lays the blame for all her own choices on Walt. It's what makes her so emblematic about what people hate about women, they expect credit and respect for things they neither earned nor accomplished, while refusing to take accountability and admit fault for their choices when those choices have consequences.
Multiple times, she had the option to walk away. Multiple times she had the option not to give in to her own selfish wants that would hurt the family's future. Multiple times she had the option to make a sacrifice and she didn't. And by the end, she's reduced to making ridiculous gestures (like walking into the pool in the middle of a social gathering) as if she was a victim and not a willing participant through the entire series. She treated everyone she interacts awfully through the entire series.

friendly reminder skylar did nothing wrong

>>215166257
How the fuck is she a victim when she insisted on getting involved, she knowingly and willfully spent and gave away the money Walt earned and she went ahead and participated in tax fraud, corporate fraud, money laundering, blackmail, intimidation tactics and more.
People mention how she slept with Ted because of how it affected Walt, but let's put that aside and just look at how she treats Ted. Ted was clearly in love with her, while she uses him as a tool to get back at Walt. She manipulates, threatens, lies to and for him, and treats him like a child at times. And then finally hires someone to force him into doing what she wants ending with him paralyzed.
She deserves to be hated because of how she treats everyone else in the show. Can you name a single character she was kind to, treated with respect or love or any other positive attribute? Because she didn't with Walt, she didn't with her son, she didn't with Hank, or Marie, or Ted, or Saul or anyone else she has an interaction with.

>>215166953
We get it, you hate women.

i usually hate women, but honestly i didn't mind skyler at all. i dunno why.
marie on the hand was wretched

It's a disordere related to /tv/ users. Most people understand Skyler was the sanest individual in the family

>>215165795 (OP)
It's all in that faggot's name. lol

Only incel contrarians see Walt as a good guy and Skyler as some kind of harpy in the wrong.

>>215165883
lol, creepy

>>215165795 (OP)
forgot the name of this phenomenon but it has to do with it being relatable, like that one bitch from harry potter, people hated her more than the literal lord of darkness himself

>>215165976
>literally portrays

Isn't a portrayal a recreation?

>>215166329

Skylar didn't sign up for this shit

>>215167073
I don't because thankfully most women don't act like they are so often portrayed in films and shows like Breaking Bad. Most women actually put a premium on caring for others, on putting others first, and that instinct gets taken advantage of by politicians and the media to push some really dumb shit.

>>215167093
When Hank got shot she was being such an entitled bitch to everyone. And the shoplifting was cringe.

why am i always the one to point out that it's strongly suggested that skylar's smoking while walter jr was in the womb is why he's all fucked up. she's objectively a bad person and frankly if walt jr wasn't a retard walt may have done what he did

>>215166228
Carmela is supportive and a good wife despite being a terrible person. Skylar is a terrible person and a terrible wife. It’s probably because she cheated on Walt and gave the money away mostly iirc

>>215165795 (OP)
Well they made it clear that Skyler was the consolation prize as Walt wanted the jewess from Grey Matter the whole time.

>>215165828
S1 episode 1

>>215165828
stfu she objectively suckcs

>>215165828
>high profile criminals can show up at the house any second
>keeping your kids there instead of getting the fuck out of dodge

>>215165795 (OP)
Walt is the reason Skylar is such a nagging bitch to begin with.
He sold away his legacy with Grey Matter and turned into a bitter weak spined bitch. Then he broke bad and became a drug dealer and murderer. Walt deserved it.

>>215165828
that's exactly what she does though

>>215167120
well yeah, voldemort was cool.

>>215165795 (OP)
Stealing 600 thousand dollars from your drug kingpin husband, who you've complained about being cagey nervous and scared for the last 4 years, to give to your tax avoiding retard manstress is the single dumbest thing any character in the show does
Not only does she face zero consequences for almost getting the entire family killed, faggots online will say she was also scared.
When I'm scared you know what I don't do? I don't empty my shared bank account to pay gambling debts.

Like most things in the show, Walt's suffering is self-inflicted. He settled for Woody Harrelson in drag when he could've stayed with Gretchen and lived the good life. The moment he found out Skyler cheated with Ted, Walt should've retired to Mexico and bought himself a hot latina.

>>215165976
The responsibility lies with the buyers. Gale had the correct mindset

>>215167276
Kim is the only well written "strong" female in all of television

>>215165976
Skyler smoked while pregnant and made her son a cripple. And then she tried to do the same thing to her daughter.

>>215165795 (OP)
I hated her more.

>>215167587
Whomst

>>215168469
you must be insecure in real life

>>215168469
Why???
Kim was based

>>215165802
Source?

>>215168469

literally the perfect woman

>>215167257
Carmela cheated on Tony and stole money from him.

Jesse is a far more hateful character

>>215168469
>>215168667
I assume it’s because the crash out is far more severe. She’s perfect until she isn’t

>>215168469
Kim was flawed but loyal. She also took accountability for her actions in the end.

>>215165828
Why didn’t she report him to the police? She’s a hypocritical nagging cunt.

>>215168746
Kim's crashout was justified and she actually held herself accountable

>>215165828
She was shit before he even started committing crimes.

>>215165795 (OP)
I've just finished re-watching BB for the first time since 2013. Walt was much more unlikable than I remembered, and Jesse, Skyler, Marie all more sympathetic characters (I really didn't care for any of them on the first watch). Hank's still the MVP though

>>215165795 (OP)
She is a fun killer. And contrary to what twitterfags might want you to think, most people consume media for entertainment and not get le messege.

>>215165795 (OP)
>shitty mother
>shitty wife
>birthed a retard probably to her irresponsible behaviour
>cheater

>>215167587
who might this lady be anon

>>215166574
>Not only does she have more bad than good traits (which ruins immersion, because there’s no way anyone would actually marry her)
How fucking sheltered are you? Men marry horrible selfish bitches every day.

Okay, I am going to address the elephant in the room: she is ugly.

>>215168876
Or worse, some nice women turn into monsters after some time

>>215168899
Nah she's not that bad for a 40 years old

>>215165828
well she supported walt when he was stacking millions and also illegally supported Ted too up until he became a crippled

funny how that works out
say it with me now
SHE WAS A WHOOREEEE

>>215167130
>And the shoplifting was cringe.
What was even the point of that? it led to absolutely nothing. Literally served zero purpose for the narrative.

>>215165795 (OP)
Jesus Christ why the same fucking topic every fucking day? Do you zoomies have dementia from tiktok?

>>215168896
man face syndrome, she looks like a tranny

>>215165795 (OP)
She made her family eat turkey bacon and frozen yogurt, so it's settled.
This is the classic case of tv producers make an annoying character annoying on purpose and then chide the audience for finding them annoying.
Like a reverse Homelander. Homelander is glamorous, handsome, the most powerful being in his world, they do everything to make him cool, and then the chide audience for thinking he's cool.
It's about the engagement.

>>215168936
because tv and movies suck now.

some one make a wire thread and a sopranos thread

>>215168965
>This is the classic case of tv producers make an annoying character annoying on purpose and then chide the audience for finding them annoying.
I don't think thats quite fair. They made her annoying on purpose so you'd have sympathy for Walt and be more willing to follow him on his breaking bad journey.
As the show goes on the roles slowly invert, as Walt does more heinous shit and Skylar becomes more victimized. It's not a straight line but it gets there.

>>215166161
>if we ban meth we have to ban fast food in order to be ideologically consistent
lolberts in a nutshell

>>215168965
>She made her family eat turkey bacon and frozen yogurt,
Is Turkey bacon that bad?
I thought it was tofu bacon or something.

>>215169065
Yes, but unironically true.
If you want the government to be responsible for what harmful substances you willingly choose to take in the privacy of your own home, then why should there be a line?

>>215165795 (OP)
I love bimbo skyler

>>215169065
I consider most libertarians to be retards but there is some truth to this, which is that once you establish a precedent for state intervention in matters of individual agency the state will continue to encroach upon that agency unless actively prevented from doing so. Now as it so happens I actually think some restrictions on agency are necessary for a functioning society but the problem is currently you really are seeing absurd state encroachment (I live in the uk) so this shit is very fucking real

>>215165976
>The show literally portrays multiple times how drugs destroy families.

Drugs will be made and sold regardless of Walt's involvement. If anything, Walt's pursuit of selling a product of superior quality with an easily distinguishable trademark color was likely a form of harm prevention, as users could be sure they weren't getting god knows what.

>>215169482
>Walt's pursuit of selling a product of superior quality with an easily distinguishable trademark color was likely a form of harm prevention
yeah until every other dealer in the region started dyeing their dogshit blue too to copy him

btw I maintain that although BB is an excellent show the idea that a drug lord would give a fuck about his meth being "97% pure" and go to such lengths to acquire that is a glaring plot hole that you basically have to ignore

>>215169611
Walt isn't a normal drug dealer. He's a genius chemist who feels his legacy was stolen from him and now overcompensates with pride in his product.

>>215168917
Hypergamy BABY!

>>215165795 (OP)
Seems like ppl only started to realize how evil she was after the MeToo scam fallout, and then the scourge of the average modern woman who've been emotionally manipulated into being low-worth, sub-par ppl, if not horrible

>>215169759
no I get that walt cares. I'm saying there's no real reason gus or anyone else who's actually a career criminal should care.

>>215165795 (OP)
Yes

>>215169891
Pretty much only Gus and Gale cared right? Gale is self explanatory, Gus is a bit more vague but he is obviously a perfectionist at the very least.
I don't remember exactly but maybe Gus went along with Walt because he saw a potential use to use him against the cartel and he was disposable unlike Gale

>>215165845
Lol this retard actually bought Walter's lies.

>>215165845
He killed Jane to control Jessie. Not self defense

you know the way your heart sinks when your boss or HR calls you in for a meeting.
that's what Skyler is when she's on screen
compare Anna Gunn to Kelly Macdonald in No Country For Old Men. similar thing. wife of a guy who gets caught up in drug stuff. Kelly Macdonald is a welcome presence for all her scenes.
Is Anna Gunn just like that? Has she ever done anything else of note? Did she irritate the audience just by existing in her other roles?

>>215165795 (OP)
Realistically what would have happened had Walt told her he was making money doing something safe, but illegal, similar to a mob boss, where the mob wife just keeps her mouth shut and doesn't ask questions?

>>215169939
I'm misremembering now but I vaguely recall the purity of walt's product repeatedly being something other people somehow care about. I think there's explicitly argument made that a purer product can be sold at a higher price. You can make the argument that more pure meth means you can cut it more with other stuff when you end up selling it, but I feel like with the percentage point difference we're talking about here it can't possibly make that much of a difference

>>215170079
There's a lot of scenes with Walt waffling about how important his purity is, but most characters don't care, like Jessie, or that guy in the say my name scene.

>>215169891
It means you can cut it more, so you get more output for the same input.

>>215170208
right but is this actually accurate? is meth that's 97% pure vs 90% pure that different in practise that you can cut it more to an extent that makes it worth all the hassle of dealing with walt's bullshit and the lengths you have to go to maintain that purity?

>>215169080
It's okay but it doesn't have the rich flavor of regular bacon. Not bad, just doesn't have any richness to it

>>215165795 (OP)
she should really be doing a ragebait movie every couple years, her acting really riles up the betas who can’t control their women.

>>215170250
Even small differences would add up over time. Gus had a proper long term operation setup, gotta squeeze every dollar you can

>>215168896
I'll counter with the two elephants on her chest.

>>215165828
She doesn’t have to, but if she does she shouldn’t grandstand and moralfag and pretend to be a victim instead of an accomplice

>>215165845
And poisoned a kid, and shot mike, and poisoned lydia

She was a terrible wife back when she was healthy and doing a normal job.
She somehow became an even worse wife when she found out he was sick and didn't know/wasn't impacted by his criminal activities.
In fact the only time she improved a little bit was when she found out what he was doing and tried to supporting a little bit before just giving up entirely.

Also the fucking whore gave him a defective son because it was just to hard for her to not smoke for 9 months.

>>215165795 (OP)
people who think Skylar is the worse have never watched Ozark. Imagine Skylar but she think shes Walter

>>215165845
reminder that Walter's friend offered to pay for all of his cancer treatment and Walter said no

>>215169065
>if we ban meth we have to ban fast food in order to be ideologically consistent
this but unironically

People hated Skyler because she was inconsistent. She gave Walt a ton of shit for his illegal activities but was totally willing to hop on Ted's dick and give him zero shit for his illegal activities. In the end she's just a self-serving asshole that tries to rationalize selfishness instead of having internal morality.

>>215169994
Is it really killing if he didn't act to save her? What's the actual legal precedent for this?

>>215165795 (OP)
I personally feel this way about every character in Breaking Bad. If a homeless methhead bum came in and killed everyone with a brick halfway through the series, it would be infinitely better.

>>215171053
She only rolled over in the bed because Walt was there

>she literally ruined his empire
she had nothing to do with his downfall, that was purely because of his own hubris

>>215171225
Doesn't answer the question I'm asking though. If it went to court, could they even charge Walt for anything because he decided not to save her?

>has full knowledge of her husband's dealings, doesn't give a shit/internalises and lies to herself about it
>whines just as much to her therapist, her priest, and her husband
>only gets mad when something her objectively evil husband does threatens her ego (cheating on her)
>puts her children in physical, moral and spiritual danger by her continued association with her husband
>gladly uses her association with her husband to threaten people when she wants to (georgetown lady, AJ's teacher)
>objectively evil
>doesn't get 1/10 of the hate skylar does

>>215170685
i love Laura Linney and she can play demented cunts but i hate the evolution of her stupid character on that series. by the last season they were just retreading water anyway, there was no real growth storywise. not surprised it was canceled but then again a lot of awful crap continues to be renewed for mysterious reasons

>>215171278
If there was a video tape of it happening or an eye witness who for some reason couldn't help either then yes.
In that specific circumstance obviously not though because theres no proof

the problem with skylar is that she is badly written, breaking bad was never good at writing anything other than walter, jessie, and their criminal associates (and even then jessie gets very lackluster with his constant crash-outs)
Any time they tried to deal with walt's family life it just fucking sucked because nobody cared. They spent like an entire season on marie's kleptomania and nobody gave a shit. Skylar was seen to be getting in the way of more criminal hijinks which is what the show was about
This shit was not the sopranos as much as fans wanted it to be

>>215169065
Whatever happened to this lunatic? Not many times you seen an entire political position dying overnight.

>>215171337
Fair. I always hated the Jane plot either way. The plane crash was so unbelievably over the top, which is humorous saying that when the show glorifies selling meth.

>>215171372
trump attended and gave a speech at the 2024 libertarian national convention and promised to pardon ross ulbricht if he won, which he did a few months ago
lolbertarians won

>>215169611
Drug Cartels actually do pride themselves on Raw Pure Product, its the small time dealers that dilute it, mainly niggers in the ghetto, but the Spics and Chinks always prided themselves on having it Raw.

>>215165795 (OP)
She was a fucking cunt. She was clearly intended to be one by the creators as well, despite what those faggots said about her later.
It's particularly noticeable in the early episodes, where she's portrayed as one of the most soul-crushing parts of Walt's miserable life. I mean, she tries to make money by reselling shit online, and she gives Walt a handjob for his birthday. It's not that she's outright evil, but just someone who's dull, miserable and obnoxious to be around, and who does nothing for her husband. Basically, she's clearly a huge part of why Walt is so miserable, and why he never tried to get out of his rut, despite being a supposed genius who contributed to a Nobel Prize, and was shown to be extremely passionate and driven when he was younger.
That shit was written like that for a reason.

She knows that Walt is in way over his head and it's just a matter of time before his life in the meth business comes back and bites their family, but instead of turning him in to the authorities, she just takes revenge on him in very petty ways to punish him. She is also very emasculating in general when it comes to conflicts with Walt, which hits a nerve for many men.

>>215171320
She knows the reality though. If she tried to leave, with the knowledge she has, she could get whacked.

>>215171491
All Walts fault. He blew up his relationship with Gretchen over petty pride bullshit and lost millions of dollars doing so. He chose Skylar after that presumably too. If you have a shit partner you either don't put up with their crap until they change, or you leave. Walt had many chances to prevent this.
Early on before you get all this backstory Skylar seems far worse though.

>>215171320
you forgot
>built a piece of shit house that's going to cave in and kill that unborn baby any day now, and now she can't sleep

>>215171320
The show never touts Carmella as a paragon of virtue. Breaking Bad is a bit annoying in the way it implies Skyler (And Jesse moreso) are these totally moral victims in a way that doesn't really match their actions.

>>215168876
I didin't watch Breaking Bad for "realism"

>>215171551
>Shows need to much my totally arbitrary depictions of relationships that aren't realistic or or breaks my immersion
The fuck are you talking about?

>>215171491
she did the bare minimum but let's be real, so did walt- the guy who could've been a gorillionare if he just put his ego aside
also she was like 20 and a waitress when walt knocked her up

>>215171542
walt's incel rage really came through when gretchen dared to challenge him, also refused their charity too
the way I read it, walt was happy with a retarded wife because he did not want to be challenged in any way because of his ego

>>215171542
Of course people are responsible for their own decisions, but that doesn't mean Skyler wasn't a cunt. The fact that Walt never got his drive back, until the whole meth thing, goes to show what a miserable whore she was, and how she was incapable of supporting her husband or bringing forth his vast potential.
I mean, for all of Walt's flaws, he kept going despite how miserable his life was, worked two jobs, and when he got his cancer diagnosis, his first thoughts were to provide for his family, which was absolutely genuine at that point.

>>215165795 (OP)
honestly as bad as skyler was, she has NOTHING on wendy byrde. i wanted that bitch to die every season as her greed, selfishness and over just being a monster somehow fucked shit up for everyone around her, but especially her family. people need to watch ozark to see what a true megabitch looks like

>>215171731
it's not a wife's role to make her husband self-actualise retard, she had no respect for walt because he was a faggot
>or bringing forth his vast potential
he could have asked elliot and gretchen for a job at grey matter and made millions any time he wanted, he refused because he was an egotistical faggot even though it would've bettered himself, his wife, and his crippled kid. She even gently asked him to ask for their help during the cancer treatment before walt's lie was concocted and Walt refused. Walt preferred to toil miserably as an obscure genius teaching high schoolers the periodic table. Sklyer had nothing to do with this.

>>215165795 (OP)
Daily reminder that Marie is superior in every way

>>215171823
can someone remind me why walt is so against working at grey matter again

>>215165845
t. cartel bootlicker

>>215171867
Ego. He couldn't stand being an employee at a company he "founded"

>>215171320
She's a way more interesting character because of it though

>>215171928
is it explained why he left after founding it? iirc it was his fault somehow wasn't it

>>215172089
it's not directly stated in the show. It was around the time him and gretchen split up so that probably had something to do with it

>>215165795 (OP)
Now thats a face for radio. Walt didnt deserve better and she didn't deserve better. The show is basically about what happens when you pick body over face.

>>215172089
there are callbacks to his relationship with gretchen
this is clearly a large part of whatever happened there

she was a bitch cunt from episode 1
on her husband's birthday the best she could do is lazily jerk him off while she spent his money on ebay

>>215171867
>>215171928
It's not like he'd need them anyway. With his supposed genius and experience, he could have started over after he left Grey Matter.
I think Walt being a high school teacher is probably the most unrealistic part of BB, given that no reason is given for his lack of ambition, other than his bitterness and feelings of inferiority. Even if he didn't start another company, and wanted to aim low, he could still have worked as a researcher for some government agency or any prestigious company within his field, or become a tenured professor at some Ivy League university (or Caltech, MIT, etc).

>>215172246
She doesn't have a good body either. She's an overweight, sagging, middle aged slob.

>>215165795 (OP)
Skyler was just annoying and hypocritical, plus while there is an implication of care very early on (if little), she completely stops after like the first five episodes. Her going along with Walter's schemes out of being a pussy and not wanting to tell Junior what he was doing while also cheating on Walt and shit like that is also pretty bad, obviously not as bad as Walt but she is very morally questionable.
Frankly all it shows is Walt should have stayed with Gretchen who clearly loved him (not Eliott, she stayed with the elephant jew because of his cash) but he got a case of the autisms when he saw her family cash and ran away like a fucking pussy. Only real good thing that came of that was him meeting Hank, but even then he wasted Hank instead of learning from his macho badassery
>>215168469
Kim was definitely worse than Skyler morally speaking and unlike with Jimmy, Chuck was equally blind to that as Howard was. Her redeeming quality is she actually realized her and Jimmy were literal poison when together and only ruined and destroyed everything around them. Oh and her being extremely fucking sexy and Vince constantly filming her bare legs and feet but that's Tarantino territory

>>215172509
>Oh and her being extremely fucking sexy and Vince constantly filming her bare legs and feet but that's Tarantino territory
Fuck off, faggot.

>>215165795 (OP)
Its been a while since I watched but one thing I think I remember about Walt and Skyler is that we have plenty of scenes showing that Walt does care her, one of his last acts before dying is make sure she gets his money even after she has attacked him and completely turned on him, but she never really had any kind of moment that said the same about her love for Walt. She was very quick to turn on him and only ever seemed concerned about herself and their son.

>>215172429
him being a science teacher makes perfect sense though- he is threatened by those who might be more powerful or more intelligent than him- what better profession that being a high school teacher? you're literally always the smartest guy in the room

>>215172552
I mean Walt DOES care for family, he for sure didn't do meth after the deal with Gus for them but for himself but at the same time it isn't a case of Walt not giving a shit about them, his Heisenberg persona cracks the second Hank dies. Though at the same time anybody with half a braincell can tell that cooking drugs like that isn't doing his family any favors, particularly after the extremely close call before he takes out Gus which would have ended him, his whole family and his extended family

>>215172559
>he is threatened by those who might be more powerful or more intelligent than him
This is on the same level of retardation as people who genuinely claim Jesse, Gale or fucking Victor would have been able to replicate his recipe
Walt IS the smartest guy in the room at all times, the man has a literal Nobel prize. It has nothing to do with being threatened by "smarter people", it has far more to do with him being in a total depressive rut for decades after realizing he had sold his share of Grey Matter, a company worth literal billions of dollars which rides on HIS contributions, for what, $5k? I'd be completely miserable too

>>215172656
>Walt IS the smartest guy in the room
unironically- if he's so smart, how come he's dead

>>215169994
He didn't kill Jane. Watch the show. He didnt save her because she was threatening him, she was a pos, and he thought Jesse would die with her.

>>215165795 (OP)
She was a bitter cunt. Why are white women like this?

>>215172656
he did not build gray matter, regardless of what you or he say. He contributed to a piece of technology which was pivotal in founding gray matter- building a business from nothing to a billion dollar enterprise takes different kinds of skills, which walter does not possess and never has. You don't get ahead in business by blowing up every business relationship you make for the sake of your ego. Walter got exactly what the company was worth at the time that he sold his share, which was $5k. Did anyone make him do that? No.

>>215172429
That was unrealistic but a lot of the show was. If you take it seriously it falls apart.

>>215172720
How bout you watch it again.
Walt pushes Jane onto her back which is why she chokes to death.
Even if he hadn't he easily could have saved her and chose not to because he wanted to control Jessie

Yes she was a insuferable cunt from ep 1

>>215172717
His ego and obsession with cooking drugs because it was the only thing keeping him alive motivationally speaking. There was nothing else in Walt's life anymore, not even his wife or son since his marriage had become a pure monetary agreement with even less love than before
Also he died exactly how he wanted to die. Gave his money to the family to get them out of that shitty apartment and give Walter Jr. and Holly perfect educations and keep them pretty much stable for life as long as they use the money wisely, had his personal revenge against the Schwartz, saved Skyler and gave closure to Marie and Gomie's family by revealing the location of the dig site, avenged Hank, Gomie and Jesse by killing the skinheads and Lydia, saved Jesse and let him go free, died from his own bullet, not from any criminal, police officer or his cancer. That's the best way for his life to go after Granite State kek
>>215172767
Literally everything we see in the show heavily implies GM rides on whatever Walt contributed. We never get to see what Eliott does and Gretchen was WALT's lab partner. Sure businesses have many branches but this is like Coca-Cola's secret recipe. Walt's choice to sell his shares was a mistake for sure but one can see why he's so mad about it, he sold out for no reason when he could be on the level of Steve Jobs and with the actual love of his life in a job which satisfies him

>>215172787
He didnt save her primarily because she was threatening him but also because she got his dumb assistant hooked on something that was going to kill him.

>>215172877
I think the threat was secondary. It was far more a matter of Walt seeing Jesse as a prodigial son and, as he rightfully points out, if Jesse had the money with Jane's manipulations they'd OD in less than a week. As manipulative as Walt becomes later on there's no denying he does care for Jesse, a bit of an educational replacement for Walt Jr. since Jesse doesn't have cerebral palsy and clearly has hidden skills which Walt successfully manages to push out

>>215172787
Honestly the most justifiable killing Walt did
She was the worst

>>215172971
Jessie is the one who corrupted her. If he never would have got involved, she never would have gone back on her self destructive path

>>215173083
Of course she would have
Junkies never change

Honestly the main issue with BB viewers is that most of them are total fucking retards who don't understand the point of the series or BCS. The point is that anyone has the potential to do good and evil actions, that it's up to them. This is why we see good people with major flaws (Hank, Chuck), bad people with good parts (Nacho, Pryce, Gale), people whose morality switches and changes (Walt, Jesse, Jimmy), people who are evil but excusing it under false notions of honor or justice (Mike, Gus, the Salamancas), utter psychos (Uncle Jack, Todd and the gang) and saints (Howard) and all in between
Most fans are too braindead to understand this and how the shows are about changes and moral conflicts which is how you get easy leddit-tier interpretations like "Walt was always Heisenberg", "Jimmy becoming Mike is Chuck's fault", "Mike is a good guy", etc

>>215173110
Maybe she would have, maybe she wouldn't, but Jessie ensured she did. He ruins everyone he gets involved with.

>>215173176
Meant Jimmy becoming Saul, I'm too tired for this shit

>>215173176
>show has good guys and bad guys
>this is actually really deep look into our philosophical out view of right and wrong if a man like tuco can go cray cray what does that say about the rest of us
Kys. Its a super hero show but based on drugs.

>>215173083
Are you retarded? She's the one who corrupted him.

>>215173290
False

>>215173246
>Nooo your show can't even have basic nuances about morality, it has to be Marvel-tier black and white bullshit
Fuck off. Most ledditards hate the idea because it means they have to confront their actual lives and morality. It's hard to see a show where you see relatable people turn evil because it means considering if you yourself could turn evil under the right circumstances and having deep introspection. That's why, like I said, these faggots will reach the easiest conclusions, i.e. Walt was always secretly a massive sociopath who was incompetent at everything and got super lucky and should have been in jail the second he was born

It's not her fault. The life of a housewife is boring. She can't compete with Walter.

>>215170250
It's important on an industrial scale
If hes making what 400 pounds a week a 7% drop in purity amounts to 28 pounds of meth
That's not nothing
Especially if the high people get is noticeably different

>>215173433
If she'd done her job, known her place, everything would be fine. But she just had to blow it up.

>>215169611
Walt's product was 99% pure, maybe even a touch above that.
You're a retard like declan

>>215169611
That's why shake weed goes for the same amount as good weed right?
If there's more trace chemicals I bet anything the high isnt the same

>>215171484
>but the Spics and Chinks always prided themselves on having it Raw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h2zgB93KANE&list=RDh2zgB93KANE&start_radio=1&pp=ygUSYmFieSBpIGxpa2UgaXQgcmF3oAcB

>>215170250
Walt literally explains about the yield

>>215173381
No, its a super hero show that revolves around meth. There's no super powers other than Walt's ability to tank an explosion but it is pretty straightforward good and evil.

>>215171823
Its her job to support him but she couldn't even do that

She is a terrible wife/character. Says a lot about Vince that he expected the audience to empathize with her.

>>215165802
This is the reason people hate her, even if they don't realize it. She betrayed Walter, who is a bad man doing bad things, though using some of those bad things for a small good. If she had betrayed him by calling the police on him, it would unironically be better than if she fucked Ted. One is punishing him for his evil, and the other is being a treasonous whore for no good reason.

>>215165845
There is no drug war. If there was a drug war, users would be in prison and suppliers would be executed.

>do a rewatch but I skip all scenes with Skyler, Marie or the retard kid
>episodes trimmed down to 30 minutes

>>215173618
>>215173491
>>215170469
these arguments actually changed my mind, you guys are right, the purity does actually matter.
>>215173569
this argument didn't do much to convince me

>>215165802
While her husband while dying. I really can't respect Skylar for doing this. Walt never would done that to her.

>>215173176
this poster is correct
>>215173246
this poster is a fucking midwit

>>215172767
>building a business from nothing to a billion dollar enterprise takes different kinds of skills, which walter does not possess and never has
NTA but couldn't you argue walt demonstrates these skills perfectly by going from a high school chemistry teacher to one of the largest methamphetamine suppliers of the region

>>215165828
>women falling in love with serial killers is ok, but men asking a woman to help him commit crimes isn't
Hypocrite much?

>>215172857
>Also he died exactly how he wanted to die
this, by some definitions walt wins by the end.

>>215174267
They went far too easy on everyone and the entire show was a pulled punch. S5 should have been Shield tier everyone gets fucked but they had to bring in the bikers to be antagonists cause they didn't have the balls to follow through on Walt. We got a taste of it but they really had their cake and ate it too.

Anyway yes Skyler really is that bad and if you need the why explained to you, you would probably suck a dick given the opportunity

>>215172509
>Her redeeming quality is she actually realized her and Jimmy were literal poison when together and only ruined and destroyed everything around them
Sure, yeah. But mostly she was entertaining because she actually went along with everything Jimmy was doing. They enabled each other and watching that destructive combination is what made for thrilling television. Kim is the Harley to Jimmy's Joker.

I still maintain the show should have ended with them sharing a cigarette after she blows him, though. They've been through so much. It's the absolute least that could happen what with Jimmy being locked away forever.

>>215165795 (OP)
Americans worship criminals over good people.

It has been that since the Americans revolted for paying taxes to Britain.

>>215165976
See>>215174686

Americans worship criminals

It is why they build monuments to people like George Floyd, Jesse James, Malcom X, and Donald Trump.

The stupid thing about the whole discourse around the character, and Anna Gunn's comments about people unfairly hating her, is that Skyler is obviously starts the series as something of an antagonist, she's supposed to be hated. She was as much a cancer devouring Walt from within as anything else, and her lack of respect and compassion for him fueled his downfall as much as his own ego did.

>>215165845
Walther was an extremely dangerous drug kingpin and a serial killer.
He seems silly sine we fallow his perspective, but from outside is pure evil.

>>215174934
>a serial killer
dont use terms you clearly dont know the meaning of

>>215174031
What you're saying makes sense and I agree. I think it also comes from the first episode. Its shown prior to his dealing she clearly had 0 respect for him and anything that would make him happy had to be done her way like the veggie bacon or the completely distracted halfassed jerkoff session. She's also a bitch to her sister, brother inlaw, and son. Honestly, the whole show would have been much better if she was a sympathetic character but she's just not. She just comes off as very sheltered, stuck up, and "its my way or the highway" kind of bitchiness all the time.

>>215165795 (OP)
Best part?
Walt Junior is not only retarded because of her, its not even his kid.

>>215165795 (OP)
she's the perfect representation of the modern (((liberated))) woman

>>215174975
I mean, per the FBI's definition:
Serial Murder: The unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s),
in separate events.
Walt is directly responsible for the deaths of:
- Emilio Koyama
- Krazy-8
- Gus' two dealers
- Gale as main orchestrator
- Gus, Tyrus and Hector (even if the latter consented)
- The two henchmen keeping Jesse kidnapped in the lab
- Mike
- Mike's 10 guys
- Jack and his entire gang not counting Todd
- Lydia
Even if you take away Emilio and heck, Krazy-8 as self defense, he is by all accounts a serial killer. Not counting the deaths caused by his meth, the airplane crash caused by Jane's death, and whatever other repercussions he may have had

>>215165795 (OP)
Hey it’s my favorite half Russian half Jewish dissident right wing YouTuber Ubersoy

>>215175114
Hes not a serial killer because theur deaths were not his goal.
They were a means to an end.

>>215175168
Quarter Jewish actually

Skylar sucks but she basically didnt do anything wrong

>>215174933
Yup, people meme about the vegan bacon and the handjob in the first episode, but throughout the entire first season, she's a manipulative selfish cunt in every single scene. The 'intervention' scene and how she tries to emotionally manipulate everyone there, as well as her reaction to losing the argument despite having literally ambushed her husband says everything you need to know about her as a character.

People also somehow miss that the entire reason why Grey Matter paying for Walt's cancer treatment wasn't an option wasn't because of Walt's ego, it's because Skyler couldn't keep her damn mouth shut and had Eliot ambush Walt once again (right after she had already seen how that worked out in the intervention). She got Eliot to offer the wrong thing, Walt was going to be dead in 2-3 years time max, paying for the treatments was never his priority, securing his wife and children's future was, which was never offered. It was a spit in the face of Walt showing that Eliot, nor his wife understood him at all, and was another betrayal of his trust by his wife.

Just a month after being given a terminal prognosis by his doctor, his wife betrays him twice in a week. It's silly to pretend it's just ego or pride at play there for Walt.

>>215175014
>he whole show would have been much better if she was a sympathetic character
Fuck off no it wouldn't. She's unlikeable for a narrative purpose and retards like you getting so ridiculously hung up on it is tiring.

>>215166718
>I became more sympathetic towards Skyler when she was freaking out over Walter being a criminal but she was already colossal bitch before she even knew about anything.
I don't understand how the showrunners complain about people's reaction to the character THEY WROTE to be an unlikable, frigid, shrill bitch from scene fucking one. People are fine with her being against Walt cooking fucking meth, people aren't fine with her fucking retarded sanctimonious "I can't do anything because I don't want my son to find out his father is a criminal" bullshit. It's retarded, just fucking retarded. The way she acts like she's protecting her son while keeping him around a violent criminal is such horseshit, nobody believes that, if the character were real everybody would rightfully accuse her of staying with her criminal husband because she doesn't want her SISTER to know that her husband turned out to be crooked.

>>215175188
Retaded because that isn't in the legal definition of what a serial killer is and never has been
Furthermore, in many cases they have indeed been the goal. Gus and Tyrus died because Walt wanted Gus dead even if as a measure to save his own ass (he could have reported it to the cops and stayed inside the station like Jesse but he didn't because he'd obviously be arrested). Jack's gang and Lydia's deaths were also the point. Etc

>>215175273
I personally feel she was at her worst when Hank was literally begging her to confess and she refused because she knew she'd be fucked and didn't want to go down with the ship. She definitely got worse as the show went on much like Walt and got seriously lucky Walt saw the Charlie Rose interview and went back to save her from ending up in prison with the lotto ticket

>>215175273
This reads like it was written by somebody who has been cheated on.
You sound unhinged and unironically mad at a fictional character

>>215175337
Meds, now

>>215175250
Wanna settle down and come back when you're feeling less emotional?

>>215175316
Just going to ignore the fact Hank didn't want her to speak with a lawyer and handled the meeting in the diner like a pushy asshole?

>itt we discuss character
>i like character
>i don't like character
>woah why are you so mad at fictional character bruh fr skibidi bussin fiah
Is it the same person making this post again and again or a few retards?

>>215175381
You are no better than a shrill Karren railing against a fictional character because it triggers some insecurity of your own

>>215175316
Absolutely. The character is often heralded as "oh she's just a normal woman, anybody would react like that" but then she's okay with not only covering up Ted's tax fraud, but her husband's meth business, and laundering his money? She's as deranged as Walt.
>>215175390
>Just going to ignore the fact Hank didn't want her to speak with a lawyer
Because a lawyer would tell her to do exactly what she did and not talk to the police. A lawyer would have no interest in the police's desire to catch Walt, a lawyer's first and only priority is their client, and only their client.

>>215175421
lmao I think this post was made for you >>215175410

>>215175390
Her wanting to have Saul around to talk to her BROTHER-IN-LAW shows how low she'd fallen. She wasn't even willing to confide in someone who may have helped her case in court by arguing her being manipulated by Walt, she wanted to have full protection by relying on a lawyer known for getting fucking Lalo Salamanca out of jail.

>>215175390
>Skyler talks to Hank
>Walt immediately gets caught, no way out, nobody else dies
>Skyler doesn't talk to Hank
>multiple people get murdered
Yeah I think Skyler made the wrong choice their bucko.

>>215175451
>Her wanting to have Saul around to talk to her BROTHER-IN-LAW shows how low she'd fallen
Anybody with cops in their family knows that they're always willing to help out people they're close to. Hell, Hank even gets Walt out of trouble earlier in the show when he was sassing the trooper about his windshield. She doesn't want to talk to Hank because she is pissed at the fact that Hank and Marie are upstanding citizens and she's a degenerate, lying, manipulating harlot.

>>215175451
You say that like the writers think family means anything. If Hank and Marie can turn their back on Walt at the drop of a hat despite everything he's done for them obviously Hank would step on Skyler for fun.
>>215175644
>upstanding citizens
>hank and marie
(you)

>>215175644
Hank literally spends the whole show ignoring the obvious signs Walt has something going on, signs which would have led him to his Heisenberg persona, because he is genuinely incapable of seeing Walt as a bad guy. People say it's because they think Hank sees Walt as weak but that isn't the case, Hank clearly adores Walt and constantly tells him he's the smartest dude he's ever known. It isn't until he sees Gale's handwriting on a random book Walt owns with the WW initials he is forced to face reality. He'd absolutely extend the same amount of care towards Skyler and help her out and yet even with all that she's still not even willing to take partial, fake-blame. She wants a totally clean getaway from the criminal life she willfully lived, she's on Walt's level
>>215175696
As said before, Hank never "turns his back" on Walt. Ffs even at the very end, when out in the desert, Hank sees Walt's conviction to try and save his life and ends up COMPLIMENTING him before his death. Hank and Marie despite their flaws are actually good people whereas Walt and Skyler are morally bankrupt, except Walt redeems himself a bit. Skyler just cries her way out of everything and gets really fucking lucky which is far more pathetic

>>215175696
>If Hank and Marie can turn their back on Walt at the drop of a hat despite everything he's done for them
Genuinely, what the fuck did Walt ever do for Hank and Marie?

>>215175273
You're 100 percent correct but relax a bit.

>>215165795 (OP)
the last character I despised before Skyler was Gemma Teller
>I'm just doing what's best for my family :)
>ruins everything
>immediately pushes the blame to someone else

>>215175788
>You're 100 percent correct but relax a bit.
I'll relax my fist up your ass, homo

"It's easy to hate her because she's a bitch and very ugly."

>>215175751
Doesn't Hank straight up attack Walt in the garage after he finds out? Marie straight up tells him to kill himself and at no point is Hank saying "Walt this is the only way to save you" all he says is "I hope that cancer kills you" before Marie tells Walt to kill himself. You're living in a fantasy land if you think there was any "I'm doing this for my brother in law" in Hank's motivation. "oh but he had a compliment saying how smart Walt is" I can't believe I'm even replying to this retardation.

>>215175956
What an insane comment. Hank attacking Walt is much like when he attacked Jesse, it's extremely logical when you realize what Heisenberg did to him and his family. The Tuco shootout, him being told his wife was in the hospital, the Salamanca Twins, his life being threatened by Gus, all were caused by him, his brother in law who he suspected nothing of. It's a horrendous betrayal which obviously neither him nor Marie are happy about, you have to be mentally ill to genuinely act like Hank and Marie are evil for being disgusted by what Walt has done when even without counting their effects outside of their families they have been responsible for so much personal misery
>Walt this is the only way to save you
You seriously think Hank was going to try and fucking save Heisenberg? Tf are you on? Even if he cares about family Walt is literally the biggest drug kingpin in the USA and possibly in Mexico too after the fall of the Juarez Cartel, firstly it'd be impossible to save Walter and secondly he doesn't deserve to be saved

>>215176073
>no no see he loved him
>but didn't he attack him
>what a foolish thing to say of course he attacked him he hated him
Is this AI? The fuck is wrong with you?

>>215165828
>chuds
people who use this term are leftists. I thought leftists loved drugs, druggies and criminals. I thought this would fall under the catrgory of "oppressive capitalist socio-economic conditions" forced Walt to be "legally challenged" in his economic pursuits to support his family and health challenges, but now it is a "heinous" crime to produce a substance in demand? Lefitsits are nothing if not inconsistent hypocrites.

>>215176114
>You can't love someone then change your mind and hate his guts when its revealed he is a drug kingpin, serial killer, is directly responsible for most of the attempts on your and your family's life and has been lying to you for months
This has to be bait. Bait or retardation

>>215176073
Walt drove into incoming traffic and caused a crash to protect Gus’ meth lab, knowing that it could kill an already crippled Hank.
But sure, he cared soooo much about Hank and Hank was just so ungrateful and angry for no reason

>>215175751
>It isn't until he sees Gale's handwriting on a random book Walt owns with the WW initials he is forced to face reality
actually the pivotal moment is before that I think early S5 when they're all having dinner and walt has basically won and hank is explaining how gale is dead and was clearly his heisenberg and walt was all like "mmmm nah, his notebook did not show the work of a true genius (like me)"
again, walt with his pride and his ego had to go and blow it all up

>>215176126
Walter is white, most ledditards who hate his guts and act like he was always Heisenberg (he wasn't) genuinely act like Gus was a good guy because he's a cuban or whatever and is doing it because his faggot "boyfriend" got shot by the cartel
>>215176190
...I was defending Hank you dolt. At no point did I defend Walt, Walt is a horrible dude

>>215176208
yeah i was agreeing with you
just adding onto what you said

there needs to be a mandatory IQ test before anyone is allowed to watch television, the amount of total retards thinking walt was a victim of circumstance and it's everyone elses fault kek, breaking bad isn't even a complex show, go watch vtubers or something

>>215176236
Ah ok, sorry

>>215176152
>only family and friend other than "spic taco beaner fagass", Hank's words not mine, according to the show
>responsible for you being able to walk
>responsible for your marriage not collapsing
>responsible for your career not collapsing
>helped Hank with his illegal surveillance
I don't buy him flipping on the drop of a hat because he saw a signed book. Now if Walt had done something to put Marie in danger, that would be a perfect excuse for Hank to pop off but as it is he's just poorly written. Neither he or Marie consider the above for even a second and that's just lazy.

>>215176190
Hank didn't know, but Gus knew what they were doing and would have killed Hank. Walter was trying to protect him

>>215176242
The first episode of the show spells out that Walt’s mind is already deranged and predatory.
His partnership with Jesse(the thing every normie thinks is le wholesome chungus part of the show) begins with blackmailing Jesse into obedience. Even from ep 1, Walt was always posturing himself in a way where he would always be the dominant guy in control of everything.

>>215165828
Skyler is part of why Walt became the way he is.
She wanted a meek little man she could boss around.
>gave him a sad handjob for his birthday while not even paying attention
>forced him into an "intervention" thinking everyone could bully him into doing what she wants when it came to his cancer
>wanted to take charge of his drug money because she's such a good bookkeeper or whatever
>fucks that up and blames Walt for it
>is generally a passive aggressive bitch constantly
>fucks Ted

>>215174933
Agreed. They made a really detestable character and then called you a sexist if you didn't enjoy watching the thunder-cunt wife hen-pecking her dying (to that point, seemingly faultless) husband.

>>215176443
If Hank died in the crash (something Walt clearly didn’t account for much) then I doubt Walt would have given a shit and after a weeks worth of grief, he would probably be thankful it happened since Hank’s deatb would give Gus less reason to want to kill him.

>>215176519
The entire situation only existed because he refused to let Gus kill Hank

>>215176348
>only family and friend
Bullshit, Hank has way more family and friends. Most of the people we see in the pilot party for instance are likely his friends since we actively know Walt and Skyler aren't very social. Also he's good pals with most of the DEA and we see him joking with them a lot, it's just Gomie is his best pal. Walt being family and friend doesn't excuse him being one of the worst persons he's ever met
>responsible for you being able to walk
Responsible for putting him in the bed in the first fucking place by luring Hank to Tuco's place
>responsible for your marriage not collapsing
Bullshit
>responsible for your career not collapsing
Responsible for his career being about to collapse the same times he saves it
>helped Hank with his illegal surveillance
Anyone could have done that, he just chose Walt because he saw Walt enjoying the ride along in the pilot and thinks he needs more spice to his life
>I don't buy him flipping on the drop of a hat because he saw a signed book
Probably because you have either not watched the show, forgotten about it or are genuinely fucking stupid. Did you forget the scene when, after Hank leaves the White house and has his panic attack, he goes to his garage and starts piecing all his old evidence together, tying up every single loose end and connecting ends that before were unresolved, before confronting Walt? It isn't just the book, the book is the catalyst but he does a full revision of the facts and they all obviously point to Walter.
>>215176443
Gus hunting Hank IS Walt's fault. Entiretly. Walt wanted his cake and to eat it too, he wanted to play the drug game without considering the obvious consequences
>>215176519
Nah he'd be remorseful for the rest of his life. But that's exactly Walt's character, he's contradictory in the sense he doesn't want to hurt his family yet obviously ends up doing it by indulging in the drug trade.

yes. to this day nobody can give a rational argument for how she isn't objectively a bad person. whole Walt is far from good he does have the cancer diagnosis no matter how much people try and downplay it and he has good intentions when he started while skylar is a spiteful and selfish hypocrite.

>>215165828
She was a bitch before he started and long before she knew about it.

Walter never cheated on her a single time but she cheated on him first chance she got.

>>215176678
Walter tried to cheat with the principal, Carmen. She just wasn't willing to

>>215176208
What do we know about Gus' background?:

1) Gus was involved with the Pinochet regime most likely secret police or intelligence.

2) Gus paid for the education of a poor boy from the slums of Santiago who eventually went on to become a chemist.

3) Gus and the chemist were in a sexual relationship.

4) The Pinochet regime had a close relationship with Colonia Dignidad, settlement for a cult founded by a former nazi. The regime would disappear dissidents there for interrogation/execution.

5) The Cartel was able to find out Gus' history in Chile and decided he would be extremely useful, executing his chemist boyfriend to limit Gus' options and bind him to the Cartel.

I forget, was Gus also in the drug game back in Santiago?

It seems to me that Gustavo Fring was a Sandusky-like pedophile high up in the dirtiest side of Chilean intelligence.

>>215174172
If you skip through all the scenes of breaking bad where characters are just staring at eachother soundlessly or repeating arguments they have already had 30 times before, Im not even kidding, each episode becomes 15 minutes long.

>>215176705
I thought he just did that to get fired from the job he hated.

Reminder Skyler gave her son that disease because she selfishly smoked cigarettes while pregnant.

>>215167276
Imagine the potential Walt could have reached with a Kim instead of a Skyler dragging him down. Imagine.

>>215176586
You didn't watch the show.

>>215168746
>>215168766
None of you fucking bots started using "crash out" phrase until 3 months ago.

>>215176999
Nice projection there, anon
Hank was the hero of the show, Walt was the villain by the end and what happened at the very very end was all Skyler's fault for not confessing which would have gotten her placed in witsec while Walt had no way out. Instead Hank had to rely on Jesse who would have been sent to jail (we see how well Mike's 10 guys did) which prompts Hank to hunt Walt directly which leads to everything collapsing

>>215165795 (OP)
From her perspective the needy stable man she married and loved turned into a psychotic drug dealer, pretty jarring

>>215165802
And then gave him Walt's money. Should have killed her after this

>>215165795 (OP)
i hate skyler because she's ugly and mannish. that's literally it. i would like her if she was hot

>>215177005
Unc’s maldin fr

>>215171823
>it's not a wife's role to make her husband self-actualise retard, she had no respect for walt because he was a faggot
most retarded thing i've read today. In a good relationship the wife will support the man and respect him, which in turn makes the man more confident and its easier for him to self-actualize. Just from the first episode we see she fails at her job.

One thing that kinda stuck with me is how she saw her husband cripple some teenagers and immediately wanted to fuck him again. What did Vince mean by this?

>>215177103
Hank was no hero

>>215177568
Its almost like you never met a woman before, walt didnt do the kid any real harm anyway.

>>215165795 (OP)
I liked Skyler as a character. Her motivation was to protect the family from Walt. Yeah, she was a bitch but she was a bitch when Walt met her. She fucked Ted so Walt would get mad and leave. She originally left that job because Ted came on to her. And yeah, when she works with Walt, she can't handle it. She isn't built to handle it. And that makes her character more interesting than if she was a Mary Sue who fixed all problems with her slick words and feminine wiles. But people don't like unfaithful wives and so she's worse than Cersei Lannister, Peggy Hill, and Dolores Umbridge combined.

>>215177686
No, as soon as Skyler found out Walt had lung cancer she was weighing her options and putting herself closer to a rich guy who loves her in case Walt died.

>>215177686
>>215178376
and then, Skyler FUCKED TED

>>215169080
>Is Turkey bacon that bad?
No, it just doesn't have as much greece

>>215179133
CARLOS

>>215171761
She's a true turboskylar. If they offed her in the very first episode the show would have been way more interesting

>>215171823
Post tits.

>>215178376
No it wasn’t the cancer it was when he started acting distant and depressed . Classic monkey branching

>>215167276
Kim is a satanic incarnation that ruins and gaslights a good man just to get her rocks.

Skyler is a kind and responsible wife who sticks with her man even after his pride and gaslighting has started destroying their family.

>>215176708
Don't the cartel call him general?

>>215165795 (OP)
She is everything wrong with women wrapped up in one character.

>>215166574
This post shows why we saw capeslop dominated for so long. People want to see unrealistic superheroes like mike and kim, not realistic dramatic characters like skyler and the twins.

>>215176708
I know it is badly written, because not only was Pinochet's government excellent at record keeping (there was a record of every torture they did), they also would never have allowed someone like Gus to have a high rank by virtue of his race. Not to mention how badly Esposito speaks spanish. Though his german was surprisingly even worse.

>>215179617
What's so unrealistic about Wesler?

>>215175696
>the writers think family means anything
Come to think of it, only the Schwarz family is written as non schemy non backstabby family. Whites in contrast are horrible. Wonder who wrote the script. Hm.

Better call saul and Breaking bad are like isekai for wimpy men. They are a wish fulfillment "hey I know some science, I could be a drug lord".

They're both stories of corruption but most of the men watching fantasize about making exactly the same bad choices.

They hate Skyler because she tries to get Walter back to the hated life where the watcher is. They love Kim because she enables the escape from the hated life and into the isekai where you kill a gaslight and kill a good man that is only trying to help.

>you want a job jimmy?
>what can I do to help?
>consider the money a gift, kim

>>215179777
Like Mike, she has seasons where she is succesful at everything she does, until the plot armor fails at the end to move her off stage.

>>215179869
But what she succeeds at is never outlandish. Such level of success is certainly realistic if not very common.

>>215165795 (OP)
>Character is an ungrateful emasculating cunt from start to finish
>"NOO YOU JUST HATE STRONG WOMEN"

>>215179908
Her career trajectory is completely outlandish and mesa verde would never rely on just her for their expansion (even with the temp paralegals).

Not just her success, her loyalty to Jimmy is also unrealistic, but again it's the fantasy that people are loving.

>>215179991
You say that but in both cases you have plenty of irl examples of situations more outlandish than what you've outlined. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction, because it does not constrain itself with believability.

>>215180058
Give some of those examples. Prove it.

>>215180110
Sam Colt for pulling yourself up by bootstraps.
Joan Baez's unconditional, unrequited love for Bob Dylan as an example of the latter.
I'm feeling generous so I'll list these even though it is you that's making the claim.

>>215166569
Those are some crazy outfits

drugs arent bad if you arent a retard. ive done meth several times, just not for days on end. if you resists the urge to keep redosing and realize that feeling like shit the next day is just a hangover that you have to suffer through, you can do hard drugs occasionally with no lasting debilitation

>>215180202
>sam colt

if you have to go back hundreds of years for an example, it underscores how superhero like it is.

>Joan Baez's unconditional, unrequited love for Bob

he was also more famous and succesful, which is an inverse for Jimmy/Kim

I appreciate you giving examples, because these things are fun to think about.

If someone makes a movie about someone like simo hayek, the finnish sniper that killed 500+ soldiers, you might say it's realistic, because it happened, but it fits right into a superhero movie.

>>215179437
Jim & Kim were of the same breed, both had major issues and probably should have been in jail

>>215179300
its kinda wild when at the beginning you believe shes a victim so even though shes trying to leave him and the kids and drain their account you feel bad for her because she shouldnt be held up by the cartel because you think marty did all that behind her back, only to find out not only did marty tell her everything, she fucking met del, so she basically lined up marty and her kids to get killed by pulling that shit. and marty never through that back in her face