Thread 215173028

>shoots a high level normal guy in his apartment
>no one hears it and calls the police
>no security footage showing a known criminal leaving the scene of the crime
>no dna proving chrissy was in his apartment
>no neighbor eye whiteness

>>215173028 (OP)
Over 50% of murders in America go unsolved every year.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/shock-statistic-50-u-murders-150243168.html

The idea that you literally can't get away with it because technology has gotten so good is mostly just a fantasy pushed by shows like CSI / NCIS for obvious reasons.

>>215173028 (OP)
Show was based on how mob operated in the 80s.

>>215173028 (OP)
This scene was so fucked up. Chrissy is my favorite character, but this made me hate him. It's one of the darkest scenes in the whole show.

>>215173053
Known criminal leaves the scene of a murder with dna evidence tying him to the place

>>215173053
The random gut feeling of the first one or two detectives to be asigned to a case is going to decide where all the investagtive energy gets spent. That's overwhelmingly going to be a romantic partner or ex. If they can't instantly pin it on them, then the whole thing gets shelved and no one will ever think about it again. However lazy and dumb you think police are it's worse. It's crazy that they even have a 50% clearance rate, but that's because people that commit murders and other serious crimes are also just as stupid.

>>215173028 (OP)
Soipranos and Breaking Bad are capeshit.

>>215173092
for me it's the previous scene where they're in the club and paulie is calling his infant daughter a whore and the rest of the crew are laughing, including tony. like chrissie comes to the realization that he killed the love of his life for THIS

>>215173174
If you end up talking about this show to random people, it's crazy how many will just completely miss moments like this and not take anything away other than 'mafia cool'.

>>215173028 (OP)
I mean, you could argue that there wasn't enough time to investigate him, because he dies like the next episode, but there were still a lot of bullshit murders, like Tony shooting the guy in the boat near a fucking highway and Chris and Paulie killing the waiter outside the restaurant. The show basically handwaves it off, because it's not a police drama, it's a mob drama.

>>215173140
No it’s like true detective where they spend decades working tirelessly to solve a murder at the expense of their lives

Chrissy would've been dead by the time the cops found out who did it.

>>215173140
>>215173053
>>215173316
Over 50% of murders are niggerings where nobody talks to the police

>>215173053
60% of murders are committed by niggers for no reason at all, actual murders are prosecuted at a much higher rate

>>215173028 (OP)
They all would be in prison if they did even half the dumb shit they did in the show in real life. I like the theory that Chrissy turned informant right after. It fits well that he committed a reckless murder out of helplessness and frustration, and that was the last straw that finally pushed him into betraying Tony.

Ngl that was the most ridiculous easy getaway kill in the show. The waiter was a nobody

>>215173028 (OP)
Fan theory is that he was caught and became an informant. The very next episode is when he dies and while him and Tony are driving he is seen wearing a hat, which he never does. He's wearing a wire under the hat just like the other guy who got killed the same way.

>>215173028 (OP)
We still think the shield is a mediocre daytime soap opera you dumb fuckstick

>>215173028 (OP)
>>shoots a high level normal guy
He was a fucking writer.

>>215173812
>a bunch of mob guys ate dinner at this restaurant that a waiter was killed right outside
>the waiter didn’t mention to anyone that he got stiffed on the tip and was going outside to confront them
>there were no security cams in the parking lot
>the finger print on the brick that struck him wasn’t retrieved
>any dna evidence that landed on him wasn’t retrieved
>the ballistics of the gun weren’t checked with anyone who was there

>>215173289
Cameras weren't everywhere in those days.

>>215173886
>which he never does
He does earlier in the show

>>215173886
There are multiple scenes where he wears a hat google it

>>215173886
I hate retarded redditfags like you.

>>215173962
8 years after 9/11? Yes there was

>>215173028 (OP)
Pretty sure JT’s girlfriend or whatever was in the other room too and might have even seen Chrissy

>>215174028
>How dare you try to input your interesting theories in this thread. We only want facts straight from David Chase's mouth only!!!!

>>215174155
He could've been lying to get Chris to leave, though

>>215174004
>>215174014
damn, you proved me wrong. You must be one of those smart anons.

>>215174269
>"This is a union safety inspector"
>Chris standing right behind Tony with the dumbass helmet on
Gets me everytime.

>>215173936
>the feds don't have a hard-on for all these guys and don't just ransack their properties the next day looking for evidence

>>215173268
>anything away other than 'mafia cool'.
When does it even begin to make them look cool. All the main characters are either noveau riche rednecks that every normal person keeps at an arm's length, idiots in over their heads and failing forwards or miserable fucks. They're all intensely uncool and people getting the wrong message don't have anything for their defence, at least Patrick Bateman is handsome and well-dressed.

>>215174356
>every normal person keeps at an arm's length
Loved this part of S1. Shame it didn't have as much emphasis in later seasons.

>>215174356
The problem is the show has too many quotable lines and humorous scenes. It came off more like a sitcom

>>215174356
It’s literally “banality of evil: the show.”

>>215174100
CCTV was around but nothing compared to today.

>>215174232
>your interesting theories
That one's be floating around for donkey's years. You could just as easily say it was symbolising Chrissy never really evolving as person, driving Tony, wearing a hat like a kid, just like at the beginning of the show.

>>215173028 (OP)
didnt he also shoot that subway employee in the knee cap for not making his food before Vitos brother got his?

>>215174338
Allow yourself to take pleasure in that

>>215174746
It was in the foot and Makazian took care of that one.

>>215173092
>>215173174
These episodes were really dark and mean-spirited. Around there there's also the episode in which AJ and the Jasons burn a guy's toe with battery acid, and on the next one they're laughing about it.

>>215174746
>subway employee
Get off your phone you fucking retard.

>>215174814
That jew owed them money and was refusing to pay. What were they supposed to do?

>>215173053
Niggers get away with it because no one cares if Da'Quanthany who's been in and out of jail since he's 13 gets found in a gutter filled with 9mm holes.

>>215173174
>paulie is calling his infant daughter a whore
who? Paulie doesn't have a daughter

>>215174814
Chase didn’t want to make the mafia people into protagonists so he shoehorned a bunch of fucked up shit near the end. Like paulie killing that grandma for a bigger weekly payment to Tony. Or how they refer to Bobby’s death as “we’ll come up with a number?”

>>215174921
the whole final season was stupid because they tried to make them as unlikable as possible for that reason and it ruined the show.

>>215174814
Well yes, it had something to say about depression, which often takes that shape

>>215173174
Adriana was a rat whether Chrissie’s friends were jerks or not.

>>215174356
Lots of people genuinely see psychos beat people up and cracking jokes about it and think "Man I wish I had fun like that."

>>215175243
That scene was to show how nonchalant they were about extreme violence. He fucked one of his “friends” up and sent him to the hospital with extensive injuries and all the guys can say is “I knew that was coming” like it’s just horsing around

>>215174900
Paulie says Chris's daughter will grow up to work at the Bada Bing

>>215175211
He had the chance to cooperate and leave the life behind with her.

>>215173074
Yep. The 9/11 we had in the '80s was way worse

>>215173936
Lmao what finger print can you left from a fucking brick retard?

>>215174814
>>215174921
>>215174963
Idk why the fuck you faggots are surprised. You know that the kind of guy who joins with the fucking mob and shoots waiters for asking for tips, isn't some nice guy with morals and human values. It's gonna be the type guy who did it for the power to both secure his own vices and to do harm unto other people in order to widen the gap of well-being between himself and his fellow man, almost always as a reaction to an internalised sense that this to hurt and avoid being hurt is the essence of life itself due to a lifetime of exposure to these kind of anarchocriminal power systems. You can argue against the point that normal people remain moral solely due to the sheltering provided unto them by legality, civility, and other artifical constructs, but you cannot argue for the spiritual well-ness of mobsters. They're fucking psychopaths by nature.

>>215173171
Jealous because people piss all over the shield?

>>215173092
lol how can this faggot be your favorite character, a drug abusing self-absorbed low-iq retard

>>215175902
He identifies as a retarded, immature guy whos desperate for attention and recognition which he doesnt deserve.

>>215173028 (OP)
He insulted him a little bit

>>215173174
I think that what hurt him the most was Tony also laughing with them. The crew never liked him but because he was Tony's "nephew" they couldn't do anything (Tony even talks with Paulie abut him bullying Chris after he gets made). Now the man who basically was his father is enjoying him being humiliated and hates him

>>215176011
>The crew never liked him
Dumb fuck

high level?
bro got tossed around for multiple episodes

>>215173028 (OP)
He died like two days later maybe there was a case brewing against him

>>215173028 (OP)
He was a figment of Chris's imagination. The whole show is Tony's DMT trip after he dies in the finale

>>215176431
Tony didn't die.

>>215176454
>Tony didn't die.
correct

>>215173053
They could solve all these murders they just don't want to spend the cash. Simple as

>>215174356
Despite being a wop, Tony's outfits were mostly pretty /fa/, or at least tasteful. A detail in the costuming which I appreciate is that his outfits became considerably uglier once he and Carmela split up and he presumably had to dress himself/buy his own clothes

>>215174159
every single thing about their relationship was awful

>>215176454
Oh really? Thank God

>>215173028 (OP)
The show establishes early on that there are lots of witnesses to Tony and Co's crimes but they don't testify out of fear

>>215173053
you are dumb as fuck

>>215174900
Little Paulie, talking about Chris' newborn daughter. Not Paulie Walnuts.

>>215176561
What do you think this proves or even implies?

>>215176454
>>215176561
Tony died

>>215176454
Until Tony's condition is observed, he exists in a state where he is both alive and dead

>>215175849
the retards who are middle men of the mafia are dumbasses, yes. But they made tony into a buffoon as well with his gambling addiction and refusal to pay back hesh. A boss wouldn't act like that out of nowhere.

>>215175409
he had to be loyle to his capo though

>>215177253
The show ended but he'll live in our hearts forever

>>215177130
>What do you think this proves or even implies?
the language of cinema says that Tony walked in, and imagined himself sitting at the table because of how its filmed. Everything after that is a fantasy sequence, when his family is all nice to him, his son is remembering the good times and then he dies.

>>215177253
That's Roethlisberger Cat paradox

Chrissy died like one or two days after, the police probably hadn't even discovered Dolan's body yet

>>215173114
My bleach-modified bug-bomb will destroy any chances of dna recovery Batman
The Bug Bomber strikes again! Muahahaha

>>215173140
I like the true crime eps where you have a family member badgering the police for years and nothing then the detective assigned to their case retires and suddenly there are new developments kek

>>215177766
I thought he was in hell and watching himself die over and over again like what Christopher said.

>>215178007
Chrissy never said Tony was dead or in hell

>>215178054
No shit

>>215178007
You are correct. The only thing really up for debate is who sent the Members Only guy.

>>215178199
>Members Only guy.
The most retarded reddit cuck faggot theory of all time.

>>215175902
He’s literally me.

>>215178247
Why is he listed in the credits when none of the other Holsten's customers are? Why does the camera pan over to him multiple times while he's staring at Tony? Why does he go to the bathroom and come out at Tony's 3 o'clock? The only cuck retard here is you.

>>215174921
>near the end
Season three was when Chase started getting uneasy about how the Mafia guys in the show were perceived. They had this big open casting call in New Jersey after season two and people were showing up dressed and talking like mob guys. I think that really fucked with him, which is why season three amps up Tony's racism and infidelity to make him more unlikable, plus it had Ralphie getting away with unspeakable shit because of the weird dehumanizing internal rules of the Mafia. The show definitely gets darker from there, but season two to season three is the biggest tone shift.

>>215178284
>Why is he listed in the credits when none of the other Holsten's customers are? Why does the camera pan over to him multiple times while he's staring at Tony?
To instill paranoia in the audience, the same paranoid Tony has to live with on a daily basis.

>>215176252
Once Chris got sober they all started to hate him. Keep in mind Tony threatened to have Chris killed if he broke his sobriety. Then fast forward one season and Tony's shitting on him for not getting drunk like the rest of the guys.

>>215173936
>a bunch of mob guys ate dinner at this restaurant that a waiter was killed right outside
*where a waiter was killed right outside
or
>that a waiter was killed right outside of

FTFY

>>215177766
IIRC chase himself said that particular shot was inspired by the end of 2001 a space odyssey. It's to create an eerie feeling, and it's not all his le head.

>>215174356
There's a certain type of audience member who will always think a guy shooting another guy is cool regardless of any surrounding context

>>215176794
? No it was paulie walnuts. Little paulie would get thrown out a window for a stunt like that

>>215178471
the shot in 2001 is him seeing himself sitting and eating at a table... if chase says its inspired by that then its Tony watching himself in fantasy.

>>215173028 (OP)
>shoots a high level normal guy in his apartment
Most “high level” nirmal guys, don’t actually have much in the way of extra security, other than a decent burglar alarm, and maybe video cameras.
>no one hears it and calls the police
Most people aren’t familiar with gunshots in urban areas, and even if they are, the most they might do is report something that “sounded like a gunshot”.
NYC has “shot spotter” technology to triangulate and identify gunshots, but it might just locate a general area, and lack of extra gunshots eon’t help.
>no security footage showing a known criminal leaving the scene of the crime
Most video footage, particularly from the time period, was low quality, and kacking enough in detail to make any identification uncertain, and the Mob likely has associates within the Police who can disappear or erase footage if the FBI doesn’t get to the footage first.
>no dna proving chrissy was in his apartment
As I heard while serving on a jury, CSI and even Law & Order, are future tier science fiction compared to the investigations that are actually done.
>no neighbor eye whiteness
Any witness who could actually identify a made Mob Member, or even an associate, would get disappeared or killed.

>>215174356
They were a bunch of retards living in the at that point completely broken down old oreder of the "mafia", they barely adhered to its foundational rules and practices and were not any better than a gang of niggers, its like the implication that chrissy gets treated like shit and pays for stuff for paulie but one day thatll be his part. However even when he becomes a made man and is supposed to be respected even by the older ones they just outright disrespect him and he has been shown to kill for less

>>215178362
>They had this big open casting call in New Jersey after season two and people were showing up dressed and talking like mob guys
Italians never assimilated. Actually, nobody but Germans and Nordics did. The lesser Europeans brought their crime and culture just like the Nativists said they would.

You know what's funny? The economic position of all these immigrant groups hasn't really changed since they came here. Proportionally and in relation to every other group the Italians, the Irish, Polish, etc are all in the same relative position as they were over a hundred years ago.

in the pilot episode tony drives his car at a guy across a lawn in broad daylight and breaks his legs, in full view of many people

>>215177785
Very allegorical. The sacred and the propane!

if you're talking about the television strunze whose name I'm blanking on you have to remember chrissy died like a day or two after he kills him. very good chance he would've been fucked regardless if tony hadn't killed him
the real insane he shouldn't have gotten away with it murder was him shooting that cop in his own home. no the NJ police aren't going to just not give a fuck because he retired that night they're going to chimp out and lose their minds. and the american mafia was very adamant about not attacking cops or fbi agents because they knew they'd get a massive crack down brought down on them all. it's one of the big contrasts with the italian mob who loved killing cops and officials

>>215174447
The first few seasons are a straight up comedy, it gets much darker after 9/11 happened

>>215180388
He was a zero with shoes. There were no younger made guys in the sopranos so no one got a chance to pay for chrissys dinners.

>>215180472
And?

>>215180472
it's season 1 they get a pash for that

>>215173028 (OP)
>no one hears it and calls the police
One of the perks of expensive apartments is better sound proofing. Even then they may have heard it but it takes time to call the cops and for them to respond and arrive. Chris leaves immediately.
>no security footage showing a known criminal leaving the scene of the crime
Many hotels and apartment buildings have limited cameras outside those in the buildings foyer and lobbies. It's intended to give their guests and residents privacy. They could probably place Chris on the floor but possibly not in the exact apartment.
>no dna proving chrissy was in his apartment
What DNA? Chris doesn't jack off in the apartment plus he's a known associate of J.T. Dolan. So things like incidental fingerprints around the apartment could be explained
>no neighbor eye whiteness
Isn't it like 3am in the morning?

I think there's more than enough circumstantial evidence to place Chris at or near the scene of the crime and make him the prime suspect but there's not a great deal of actual evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he did it just with the factors you've described. They could build a case against him through other means but that takes time and Chris dies days later. It's likely the case goes unsolved because their prime suspect died days into their investigation and without being able to interview the suspect they were limited on what they could determine.

>>215176011
I think that's why Chris nigs out and kills Dolan when he refuses to hear what he has to say about his crimes and tells him "you're in the mafia." That moment makes Chris realises he has no one. He feels ostracised and rejected by the mafia and his closest connection to the normal world (rightfully) wants nothing to do with him.

>>215177378
>A boss wouldn't act like that
the boss who wore shorts? that boss?

>>215177378
That was him rebelling against his father

>>215175243
webms you can hear

>>215181765
>webms you can hear

>>215181514
This plus Chris must have realized he said waaaaay too much. He mentioned Ralphie and Adriana

>>215181789
>>webms you can hear

>>215173028 (OP)
I think there was a point in the last couple decades where a lot of writers/directors really began to hate the existence of certain technologies and just write around them existing because it's too much work incorporate them. In a lot of crime shows they just pretend cameras, cell tower data, dna and such just aren't there unless it's to get them out of a story hole. I still see shows made now where they just flat out pretend the internet doesn't exist and the solution to a protagonist's problems isn't just a google search away.