Thread 215214145

What the fuck is happening? Why is everyone now hating on James Gunn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7k80zLny6U

Superman was a success and everyone liked season two of Peacemaker.

>>215214145 (OP)
The shill funding is over. The media is starting to admit Superman bombed

>>215214145 (OP)
Peacemaker finale was bad

>grifter #7 is mad at a director

who fucking cares

>>215214145 (OP)
Literally who

>>215214348
Director of Superman.

>>215214145 (OP)
No one cares, rasjesh

>>215214145 (OP)
Because being a contrararian is popular among retards who can't form their own opinions about anything

>>215214145 (OP)
Peacemaker is horrible, Superman could have been ok but it is not, Gunn is a director that needs somebody over him telling him to not do stupid shits, same shit with Snyder.

>>215214145 (OP)
Peacemaker was really woke. He particularly hated that it made Killer Croc gay

Most of it has been pretty good.
Peace Maker season 2 is the only misstep so far. It has a lot of fun moments but it feels like it needed another couple drafts because the plot is all over the place. I don't think Gunn had the time to really focus on this project and it was secondary to Superman. And this was only exacerbated by him announcing that season 2 would be the final season while giving a season finale that only serves to set up a bunch of other DCU shows and movies.

It's also not lost on me that people have been trying to shit on Gunn since day 1 and he has done a remarkably good job creating the DCU despite everyone being against him.

>>215214145 (OP)
How could the Gunn DCU be "falling apart" when it was never whole to begin with?

>>215214530
>You get a pass for that

>>215214228
>The media is starting to admit Superman bombed
This.
>$32M short of turning a profit
And yet, you'll still see shills turning up on this board to strike down threads like this.

report eceleb threads as off topic

>>215214556
>Most of it has been pretty good.
But it hasn't. At all.

See, we're not monsters. We're just ahead of the curve.

Crazy how the second this nigga focused on MCU tier “world building” for season 2 everything went to shit.

>>215214530
>Peacemaker was really woke. He particularly hated that it made Killer Croc gay
I'm starting to think all the anti-Gunn hate on this hellsite is particularly MAGA-coded.

>>215214578
It has though. Sorry you didn't like it.

>>215214600
But it hasn't.

>>215214595
Should've followed the Bruce Timm formula desu.

>>215214631
But it has.

>>215214145 (OP)
I don't even know what peacemaker is.

>>215214600
Same. I'm tired of capeshit but even I loved it. It didn't try to pretend to be above children/teenager's entertainment like the Synder's version. I wish we had more hopeful non capeshit version of Superman instead of the usual nihilistic/cynical Hollywood bullshit.

And his name is... JOHN CENA

>>215214145 (OP)
Who gives a shit what these pseudo edgelord thinks? He hasn't made a single compelling review yet, just blabbers on how "this is shit" and/or "this is actually not that bad" along with bad jokes about what a sleazebag he is that RLM did better 10 years before him.

>>215214665
But this movie was cynical as fuck, almost a parody.

>>215214718
No it wasn't.
But if it was, explain your opinion.

>>215214734
The way Superman is treated by every character, and how every problem or consequence is actually "resolved" by other characters through violent means (with the movie treating it as something just and/or cool) just so Superman can remain "pure". And how everything is quickly introduce and then magically resolved.
It was almost like the movie was making fun of Superman as a character. This to the very fucking end.

>>215214734
doesnt one of the heroes go full-tankie?

>>215214556
>“But also, there’s a bigger story being told that involves, say, Salvation and that story involves Rick Flag, it involves Lex and Superman. There’s those movies that I’m going to be directing."

Season 2 was just set up for what he’s gong. to do after Man of Tomorrow. Peacemaker is his baby and he isn’t gong anywhere. And losers saying Gunn wants to do Batman. No. More like WB is pushing Batman. He’d be fine replacing Batman with Peacemaker

>>215214821
Even Krypto, that was treated as more important than Superman in the marketing of the film, is a violent as fuck dog constantly causing problems or mauling people.
And that behavior is treated as cute and/or fun.

It is like the movie is constantly telling you that Superman is a joke, but don't you worry because the movie got other cool characters like Krypto, Mister Terrific, Hawkgirl and Jimmy Olsen for you to pay attention to and they actually get to get shit done.

>>215214821
Monke is hot tho

>>215214821
Idiot. Justice Gang got fired after Hawkgirl dropped a world leader to his death. Now their HQ is in some shitty building and trying to get recruits because Superman isn’t working with them. Also caused Rick Flagg to create Salvation to imprison meta humans

>>215214923
That she is, indeed.
All Superman made me feel is that i'd rather watch her movie instead of the movie i watched.

>>215214872
>replacing Batman with Peacemaker
Peacemaker is his Deadpool, of Peacemaker will never be that big.

>Luthor causes billions of dollars in damages and at least millions of deaths with a device that could potentially destroy the entire planet
>Rick Flag Sr is willing to work with him because... revenge for his son?

>>215214948
Funny because Reynold’s was down for Deadpool showing up in season 2 but Disney said no. Fox would’ve let it happen

>>215214934
>Idiot. Justice Gang got fired after Hawkgirl dropped a world leader to his death.
Do you think that is bad when Argus are being primed as the big villains? Get fucking real, man.

Both Justice Gang and now Peacemaker's Checkmate are being characterized as the cool heroes that get shit done without the need of oversight or control from the obvious racist/bad government people.
There's a reason why not-Russia was invading a country full of fucking browns women, old men, and children.

>>215214145 (OP)
trying to extort the studio for some sponsorship

>>215214948
Peacemaker is too genuine to be deadpool
He was a goofy Punisher ripoff in The Suicide Squad but by the end of season 2 he's a really sad man with a ton of regret looking for love/acceptance

>>215214977
>Funny because Reynold’s was down for Deadpool showing up in season 2 but Disney said no. Fox would’ve let it happen
That's not true. James Gunn begged Ryan Reynolds to appear as a cameo in second season and Reynolds said no.

>>215215009
>but by the end of season 2 he's a really sad man with a ton of regret looking for love/acceptance
Like every protagonist written by Gunn?

>>215214821
Superman dealing with Darkseid is gonna be glorious... oh wait, they will avoid that scenario or the whole character for that matter.

>>215214348
>Literally who
Will Jordan, another faux-inebriated film incel, slouched on that eternal barstool, belching bile at anything with a hint of diversity. What a shock: his """reviews""" aren't deep dives, but shallow conservative splash fights, bias bubbling like cheap Scotch.
The hypocrisy? Deliciously infuriating. He'll shrug off racist relics from yesteryear with a "le context!" shrug, but a strong female lead? Boycott apocalypse! And don't get me started on that 2025 cinematic diarrhea he unleashed; a hackneyed mess even your simps skewered, exposing him as the talentless crybaby he is, dodging real analysis like HBO dodging your whiny vids.
Not a sage, just a symptom; a fragile fraud peddling propaganda as "sarcasm." Crawl back to your bottle; film's better without your poison. We're pissed, and done.

>>215215037
Maybe. That's true of GOTG anyway.
Not so much Superman or his Dawn of the Dead movie.
But that doesn't change the point that he's clearly not deadpool.

>>215215016
>>215214977
Remember when Gunn complained about cameo porn in movies and shows? Where characters cameo in things without adding anything to the plot?

>>215214982
Justice Gang didn’t hire Peacemaker because he kills people and they’re trying to reform. Peacemaker is an antihero. That was the whole point of the Suicide Squad. However, he’s becoming less and less of the psycho he started out as

>>215215055
>or his Dawn of the Dead movie.
Dawn of the Dead script of his got rewritten by other people and Snyder even made fun of some original sequence written that he thought was too goofy.

>>215214901
>Jimmy Olsen
Hey, don't badmouth my boy jimmy. He is my role model. You are just jealous because you are probably tall, handsome, with a good job yet don't have instragram thots following you around and sending you selfies all the time.

>>215215016
Source

Miss me?

>>215215009
>a really sad man with a ton of regret looking for love/acceptance
isn't that literally deadpool in all the deadpool movies?

>>215215116
I remember seeing this guy in The Quarry video game and thinking
>There is no way someone actually looks like that
And then I realized he's a face scan of a real guy and I felt bad

>>215215116
I'm actually saying he's one of the "cool characters" in the movie that got to "get shit done".

>>215215083
>James Gunn is a pathological liar
>again

Why does Peacemaker have a big chicken on his outfit?

>>215214145 (OP)
>Why is everyone now hating on James Gunn?
NOW? Gunn is a childfucker.

>>215214977
so Reynolds as Deathstroke then, lol

The problem is that Ryan Reynolds is friends with Zack Snyder and Henry Cavill, and took issue with how WB treated Cavill. I don't think he'd accept to do the cameo.

you fucks have the memory of goldfish

>>215214145 (OP)
>Superman was a success and everyone liked season two of Peacemaker.
lmao

>>215215208
I'm glad they didn't go through with it.

>>215214145 (OP)
>Why is everyone now hating on James Gunn?
He made a Peacemaker episode about neonazis and right-wingers were like "why are you criticizing me?"

>>215215260
Reynolds is a pretty big lefty, why would he be friends with Snyder?

And he has a track record on applauding others getting cancelled but cried like a begging bitch when it happened to him.

>>215214228
fpbp like always
Peacemaker S2 was also really shit with cuck-shit and gay faggotry, which opened everyone's eyes as to how shit gunn really is now. He peaked a long, long, long time ago.

>>215214145 (OP)
This is the only place on the internet where people dislike Superman because you're allowed to schizo spam here.

>>215215208
Where does that say Reynold’s turned him down. The hoops obviously Disney letting him do it which there wasn’t a chance in hell they would. No doubt Reynold’s would rather work with Gunn then Fiege and Disney which has a shit over Deadpool-Wolverine and won’t do a follow up even though it made a billion dollars

>>215214665
>hopeful
hopeslop you mean?

>>215215355
>The hoops obviously Disney letting him do it which there wasn’t a chance in hell they would.
Don't give me that crap. Disney would love that shit. Specially Feige.

So yeah, Gunn has been scum the whole time - hell you fucking monkies clapped like seals when the ending of GotG2 had a giant funeral for a character that knowingly delivered thousands of children to Ego to be raped, eatne, killed. You fucking cheered for Rooker's character.

Gunn is Troma to the core and has never changed other than his spots.

>>215215353
It's also because this place is conservatard central and for some reason superman/Gunn is democrat coded in their mind

>>215214665
>It didn't try to pretend to be above children/teenager's entertainment
The target audience of the movie was manchildren.

>>215215391
Gunn is a childfucker and it will come to the surface. IDGAF what political party he follows.

>>215214145 (OP)
The critical grifter doesn't care. It's an unsuccessful film it failed because muh woke and if it's a suff

>>215214145 (OP)
>now

>>215215408
So is Trump but... well, you know.

peacemaker finale was a slap in the face. im done with gunn as well. it's clear he's a marvel double agent. took the deal so he could direct the last guardians movie.

Can you imagine a world without capeshit? Where you never see a thread like this in the catalog?

>>215215451
If Ironman had bombed it would have been a different world - but then we'd be stuck with endless Twilight movies and Avatar slop.

>>215214145 (OP)
If a film is semi successful: see One battle after another the critical grifter will gladly suck it off. He has no opinions of his own and will just say whatever his right leaning audience will gobble up.

>>215214556
the whole point of peacemaker season 2, was that james gunn came up with the nazi reveal, and that was it
he built the season around that and its stupid because nothing came of it, nothing will affect the other superman movies
it was just a gotcha moment and win some brownie points with the DNC for some shekels

>>215214145 (OP)
Man of Steel won

>>215215485
The nazi reveal should have been in like episode 3 and then they should've spent more time in the nazi world. They blew past it immediately for some reason.

>>215215435
Epstein list is proved to be a hoax

>>215215225
That would be the most brilliant lateral move by Reynolds. Disney did not like Deadpool-Wolverine and were not happy with a lot of the jokes. They won’t do a follow up either. They’re not going to do shit with Deadpool outside make him a side character. He’s gong to get The Blade treatment. Reynold being Deathstroke but acting like Deadpool would be a great fuck you

>>215215435
There is no evidence of Trump in the Epstein Files. He never set foot on the online. The reason why they won't be released is due to Mossad intervention.

>>215215515
>>215215551
>guy who was known friends with Epstein and has multiple photos with him is not on the flight logs to pedo island

holy cope batman

James Gunn is just another jewish nepo hire.
Lloyd Kaufman is a super jew and gave Gunn his first job at Troma. Feige is super jewish so thats how he got his job at marvel and disney. Same with WB. Everything is shit today in part because of this

>>215214821
Can't wait for Man of Tomorrow where Superman is buddy buddy with Luthor.

You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Gunn. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.

>>215215724
Why is he dressed like Cavilman?

>>215215724
Why is he young Stephen Colbert?

>>215215724
>AIslop
You just exposed yourself, Rajesh.

He read your posts on /tv/ and he’s trying to grift you into watching his videos.

>>215214145 (OP)
>Superman was a success and everyone liked season two of Peacemaker
How fucked in the head do you have to be to tell yourself this every waking moment of the day?

>>215215385
This was afterr disney hired him. He had too do that. For optics

>>215214595
He followed every beat that turned the MCU into a steaming pile of shit.
Diversity.
Politics.
Television shows.
And added edgy aspects from The Boys.
Total fucking hack.

>>215215723
Who says they will be buddy buddies? We are just assuming that. Look at the power suit Gunn posted, it’s being powered by Kryptonite. Lex is
gong to set Superman up and he’s going to be called The Man of Tomorrow and will use it as his MAGA slogan when he runs for president Movie going to end like Dark Knight where Superman and metas take the blame and likely get sent to Salvation

is peacemaker s2 worth watching? i liked the first one.

>>215214145 (OP)
gotta farm those cliks. Sweet, sweet clicks.

>>215216721
Yes. Ignore the miserable faggots on here who hate everything. It stupid but entertaining and doesn’t take itself overly seriously

>>215215043
Bluesky post/bot. Cute.

>>215216721
>>215216810
No. It's boring, cyclical, and there is zero worldbuilding. It's just 8 episodes of faggy personal drama that gets resolved all in one single episode.

>>215214145 (OP)
>Superman was a success and everyone liked season two of Peacemaker.
No

>>215217454
> and there is zero worldbuilding

Fucking idiot

>nuthugs Superman to high heaven
>flops to pic rel (highest grossing comic book movie of the year)
>”A-akshually I always hated it!”
Ahahahaha

>>215214901
>pibbles stop please
>cmon

>>215214145 (OP)
Really, though, why would anyone care what someone who praised Fantastic Four says?

>>215215408
He doesnt look like Marlon Brando at all

why is harcourt so fucking hot bros? i want to see her asshole

>>215217600
>(highest grossing comic book movie of the year)
That record is pointless when mcu is in all time low and dc films trying to start over from seven flops

>>215214901
>0:13
people watch this and see nothing wrong with it

>>215217902
Jeets don’t understand context. Their IQ is below 70

>>215217902
The problem is that the starting over fucking sucked.

>>215218114
>excuses
Fucking Superman, the bedrock of western civilization lost to some gook cartoon 1% the budget

>>215214145 (OP)
for a pedophile hes a good director

but letting him do casting and plot direction was retarded
he just makes everything about his far left antifa views
so peacemarker became about "kill republic... i mean nazis" and superman became about "let immigrants in"

>>215215573
>Your guy was totally on Epstein Island
>But definitely none of MY guys like Clinton and Biden, they're innocent
>Hey Epstein hung out with all the popular businessmen in New York, that doesn't prove anything!!!

>>215214530
yeah, and somehow it even got more woke

>>215218207
Because they gave it to a pedophile cuckold. If they'd given it to someone with intelligence and integrity, it would've mogged that shit.

>>215215133
in theory maybe, in practice Deadpool is just an ultra-catty bisexual.

>>215218282
So like Peacemaker then?

>Critical Drinker

Why do people like this fucking loser lmao

>>215218253
Proof? No Superman movie has ever made a billion dollars. Fuck off with muh adjusted for inflation. Batman, Spider Man, fucking Iron Man, Wonder Woman,
Captain Marvel and Aquaman the most ridiculed superhero mog Superman at the box office. It’s a very damaged brand and just because everyone knows who Superman is doesn’t mean he gets them excited to go see a Superman movie. Going to take a lot work to get people invested in the character

>>215218365
But i thought everyone said that James Gunn would make a billy easily, that all it took was a "hopeful" Superman and people would come in droves.

>>215214145 (OP)
I was expecting OP's pic to do the Curly shuffle

>>215218365
>Fuck off with muh basic economics
OG Superman made a Billy. Cope and seethe

>>215214145 (OP)
Saar are you so desperate you now need youtube to tell you what to think? Because that's even gayer than fucking your grandpa, Ranjesh.

Trust the plan. Supergirl will do great.

>>215218428
Why didn’t MOS make an actually billion like The Dark Knight? Why didn’t it make as much as Wonder Woman? Aquaman?

>>215215208
What 'big hoops' is he talking about? Cos it's not licensing.

>>215219071
Comic book cross overs are a lot easier than movie ones. That being said this is the first big DC-Marvel cross over in over 40 years. Just no way Fiege would let Gunn use Deadpool. No doubt there is bad blood between the two. That said I think we are going to see DC-MCU cross over movies in the near future since big event movies are what sells now and MCU is running out of legacy characters

>>215219071
kek is wolverine fighting robin?

>>215214556
>don't think Gunn had the time to really focus on this project and it was secondary to Superman.
You really think the THREE year deadline on Peacemaker meant it was rushed? Just wait one more year, what's the difference?

>>215214556
>since day 1
No, since The Suicide Squad was just Guardians again, then Guardians 3 was mostly shit.

>>215215391
>in their mind
>Be kind
>Not the mantra of (massively hypocritical)lefties
Come on, now.

>>215215468
Damn, I miss old X-Men film series, even the worst slop like Apocalypse was somehow more honest than any MCU subvertive shit

>>215215475
The right leaning audience wants to hear praise for One Battle After Another???

>>215218365
>Fuck off with muh adjusted for inflation
Why?

>>215219071
Since that (and Avengers-JL) the crossovers have been almost non-existent. They're just about to do the first one in years (Batman/Deadpool).

>>215214145 (OP)
Because now they know that this movie lost money.

how does any of this make you less indian?

>>215219648
Its ramping up to another big cross-title crossover.
Over in marvel the new ultimate universe is getting ready to wrap up, I think the maker is finally out of his time-prison and its hitting the home stretch where the universe will be destroyed. And the imperial stuff with hickman has been pretty interesting, focusing on marvel cosmic stuff.

>Gunn makes a faggot show
It flops on streaming LMFAO

>>215215475
>will just say whatever his right leaning audience will gobble up.
Right leaning audience loved faggot Pascal and a bogged hag Sue Storm.
>reddit "logic" for you.

>>215218420
>>215214145 (OP)

>>215219831
says who?

>>215218360
>4channers/redditards who have achieved nothing in life calling a self-made millionaire a "loser"
This makes me laugh every time. Many such cases

>>215219304
There is no fucking bad blood between the two, you idiot. Feige was invited by Gunn to visit the DCU lot. He was there when he made TSS and Superman.

im glad there isnt anyone who tries to be my friend are also fan of youtubers/streamers

>>215214332
This is what makes it so weird. Drinker ISN'T grifter like his fellow anti-woke eceleb friends. He actually has good takes and will articulate the fundamental flaws of a movie outside of just the blatant political/social messaging instead of just following the trend of hating everything. That's why he's way bigger than the rest of them and why he appeals to a wider audience. When these grifters were randomly shitting on Gunn for NO reason and tried to paint the Superman movie as woke political bullshit that emasculates the character which wasn't even remotely true, Drinker saw past that bullshit and didn't let it effect his review. Now it seems like it's finally hitting him since he only surrounds himself with these types of people that I feel it's now clouding his judgement. Either that or maybe Peacemaker sucks for reasons idk because I don't watch it. I seen one scene that people were bitching about where some fat black chick compared Nazi Earth to the one we live in..but that just seems like one big nothingburger and to me seemed like something these people were artificially working themselves up over to have literally anything to complain about.

>>215214145 (OP)
>everyone loves thinly veiled lefty propaganda wearing the skinsuit of formerly popular IPs

lol no

>>215214145 (OP)
>Superman was a success
That's where you're wrong. It underperformed massively, especially for a tentpole. This needed a clean billie and it couldn't even break 700m. Peacemaker was also so tonally jarring in comparison that the whole thing became stillborn fast.
Nobody likes his shit. It's about 5 years behind the times.

>>215215210
>>215215266
>guy who comes from the world of Troma makes edgy jokes
you people are actually pathetic.

>>215220015
Leftards also religiously hate-watch the Drinker more than conservatives and thus gift him more money.

>>215220114
> This needed a clean billie

Fucking moron. MOS couldn’t even make actual billion like The Dark Knight. Expecting a reboot to make a billion. The Batman didn’t even come
close to billion and that’s DC’s biggest character. Go back to your retarded sneeder subreddit you jeet

>>215220236
But i thought was a huge disappointment and this was going to be different because finally you had a MCU guy at the helm and he had complete control? What happened?

>>215220236
>Expecting a reboot to make a billion.
Yes. Franchise tentpoles absolutely need to turn a serious profit since it isn't the backbone of a single sequel. It's the backbone of a multi-film franchise.
Superman couldn't even catch up to Man of Steel, which WB considered an underperformance as well.

>>215218207
That's because Gunn didn't write a Superman story.
He took a superhero so solitary by design that he literally has a castle in Antarctica called the Fortress of fucking Solitude.
Gunn doesn't know how to write a character like that, because all he does is write stories about motley crews of underpowered underdogs who work together to serve a goal.
Gunn's writing style is the polar opposite of Superman in pretty much every fundamental way.
He just wasn't the man for the job, and he was a fucking retard for trying to shoehorn it into his own style instead of giving the job to somebody who's better suited to solo character projects.

>>215220432
> WB considered an underperformance as well.

Source, your ass. They just fast tracked a sequel and going all in on Superman Saga. Sure look they’re disappointed

>>215220432
doubling down on what you previously said almost verbatim just makes you look more retarded

>>215220432
No they don’t you retarded jeet. It needs to show it’s building an audience. Fact it didn’t fall off a cliff like MOS showed that it did. It’s doing just like Iron Man did and just like Iron Man is getting a sequel within two years

>>215220501
>Source, your ass.
Wrong. They were disappointed and wanted it to do better than it did, but had already greenlit other projects. They went on to panic like retards and went even harder, fast-tracking even more teamup bullshit to play catch-up with Avengers.
This lead to one of the most inorganic and rushed franchises I've probably ever seen.
>>215220523
>massive tentpoles don't need money!
Jesus Christ you're extra mad and stupid.

bitch ass dick sucking faggot

>Rated PG-13, Superman officially ended its domestic theatrical run on Oct. 2 when it earned $3.588 from 71 theaters, bringing the film’s final North American box office tally to $354,184,465, according to The Numbers. Combined with the film’s international ticket sales of $261,100,000, Superman’s worldwide box office gross ended at $615,784,465.

>Superman had a production budget of $225 million plus a worldwide marketing budget of $125 million, Variety reported after the film was released in theaters in July.

>Given that films generally split their ticket sales 50-50 with theater owners, this means that Superman’s theatrical net equates to nearly $308 million. The amount, of course, does not reflect any residuals that are being paid out or other miscellaneous expenses associated with the film.

> Even going with the $308 million before taking the other expenses into account, Superman’s net falls below the $350 million Warner Bros. spent on the production of the film and marketing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timlammers/2025/10/06/james-gunns-superman-ends-its-theatrical-run-how-much-did-it-make/

>>215220432
Come on Superman had Fantastic Four as direct competition it didn't kill the legs but it took damage

>>215220542
>Fact it didn’t fall off a cliff like MOS showed that it did.
Holy fucking cope.
The truth is it didn't attract much of an audience in the first place. That's bad no matter how you slice it.
It didn't have the legs you think it did either.
This movie right here? This had legs. This is what a tentpole should look like.
Superman didn't even come close, and Peacemaker taking the New Colossus route completely fucked it.
Gunn's become a complete retard since taking up this task, and his cronyism is absolutely on display on top of it.

>>215214145 (OP)
>Superman was a success and everyone liked season two of Peacemaker.
Now I know you're a troll

>>215220580
>legs
It had such poor legs that WB pulled it early for being so shit and gunnfags are crying over it to this day lol

>>215220580
>come on man, it had to compete with an enormous flop!
lol

>>215214145 (OP)
James Gunn is a pedo and his movies suck too.

>>215220599
Gunnfags were so prepared, so excited, to be the snyder killers that they aren't even recognizing that they're becoming something even more whiny and revisionist by comparison.

>>215220564
The budget is $363 million with at least $700 million break even.

>>215220564
It wasn't about making money, it was about restoring the brand. Supergirl is a guaranteed billie

>>215220599
My guess is WB wanted to give off the illusion of legs and pulled it early to maintain that.
Thing is it fooled almost nobody.

this guy is almost ten years older than me. why is he talking like James Gunn's career STARTED with that Guardians of the Galaxy shite?

>>215220599
Pulled early from where schizo?
>>215220600
Direct competition

>>215220618
Gunnfags don't need to kill the snyderverse lol it's dead just like rebel moon

>>215220630
>it was about restoring the brand.
And it failed, simple as.
>>215220671
It's as dead as gunnverse lol
>>215220640
In the mainstream it did start with GotG. Gunn was practically an indie filmmaker who dabbled in video games and GotG was his big break. Sure, Super and Slither had cult status, but nobody knew who the fuck the writer of the Scooby-Doo movies was when those released.
Also nobody's given a single fuck about Troma since Toxic Avenger.

>>215220630
>restoring the brand. Supergirl is a guaranteed billie
Gunn doesn't make reshoots, only pickup shots. Gunn's Suicide squad 2 wasn't a commercial bomb, it was a negative commercial hit.
>Pickup Shots’ but ‘No Reshoots,’

>>215220630
>It wasn't about making money
>>215220715
>Gunn's Suicide squad 2 wasn't a commercial bomb, it was a negative commercial hit.
unironic lol

>>215220657
>Direct competition
With an enormous flop.
People don't like superhero movies anymore.
Capeshit is dead, and gunn failed to save it.

>>215220097
If you genuinely believe this pathetic word salad you've just typed out, you honestly need to start thinking about suicide. Critical drinker is obviously the most barebones, unprincipled, soulless type of grifter of all time and I'm so sick of the way so much of this website has devolved into dimwits arguing about which team in the culture war is le epic and based and which is le cringe. You're a slave to mass media, you're a slave to propaganda, and you should consider taking your own life.

some fresh cutaway clips in this one. The Shining, Mission Impossible, Revenge of the Sith. alongside the usual mainstays.

just think how much editing this guy does, on top of writing the scripts. is he the most high-effort creator on YouTuber?

>>215220628
>$363 million with $700 million break even point
Yeah that's BS, break even would be higher than just 700

>people thinking supergirl is gonna make money
>it doesn't star the CW neck goddess

>>215220774
This goes for everyone who cares about what any online grifter has to say btw. Commit suicide immediately

>>215220788
You bet. Zaslav and Gunn are in the "will it into reality" phase of this disaster.

>It wasn't about making money, it was about restoring the brand.
People say this bullshit without a hint of any irony at all and it blows my fucking mind.
Even fucking snyderfags at least went the "it was too smart for audiences to understand" route.
This is just pathetic.

>>215219304
>>215220022
This, Feige fought to bring Gunn back, Gunn came back for Guardians 3 before signing a lengthy contract with DC, and any rivalry is just for show, they both want comic movies to do well because audiences are likely to like both of their output or neither.

>>215220875
Here’s pedokike gunn telling you to your face it’s about destroying the brand and guaranteeing he has exclusive control

>>215220899
Jesus that's even more sad.
>There were people trying to force their way
James Gunn himself being a prime example.

>>215220546
Who said it was massive tentpole rajeet? Only you faggots are claiming it is. The big event movie will be Man of Tomorrow
which everything is building up towards it.

>>215220749
F4 still made 520m with MCU being bottom of the barrel at the moment, more than Black Adam at least now that's an enormous flop

>>215220713
Super is weirdly hard to find digitally at least where I am. I use the Apple store app to find where stuff too old to pirate is streaming and it refuses to acknowledge the movie exists.

>>215220974
These same faggots were all saying F4 would destroy Superman. Now it’s “well, uh it sucks. It doesn’t count”

>>215220959
James Gunn will never be a success. At least 50% of white men and women won't watch his movies, and at least 30% of people from all races who watched Peacemaker won't bring their kids to watch Superman or anything in James Gunn's universe. They simply won't watch it, regardless of their age. Then there are the people who might or might not watch the movies, and the more dedicated fans (nerds) who will likely watch everything and decide as it comes.

James Gunn currently faces high rejection.

>>215220974
MCU is about to make 2 billion. Marvel ain’t losing sleep over dumping Gunn on DC kek

I don't think it would survive another reboot. Just hire someone to pair with Gunn and tone down his bullshit.

>>215221013
With what? No one cares about Marvel anymore. They made less than DC this year.

>>215221013
2 billion on what? Spider Man is all they got now and Sony has them. They are dumping a billion dollars into Doomsday where it will have to make two billion. And it’s not going to. There is zero build up for it and China and Asian countries are flat out stone walling capeshit movie now. It’s going to limp to a billion

>>215215353
Not true.
Jeremy Jahns, Efap, and Doug Walker didn’t like Gunn Superman.

Angry Joe also didn’t like it but DCfags attacked him and forced him to give the movie a new positive score.

>>215221013
Avatar 3 maybe, but MCU? Those days are over.

>>215221011
I'm still amazed that he thought competing with the fucking Boys for edgy capeshit TV show was a good idea when he was overselling the "family friendly DCU" brand at the same time.

>>215221160
The Boys is shit now hard carried by the edge. I wasn't into Peacemaker season 2 much but I love Vilgilante far more then any The Boys character.

>>215221229
Which makes it even more baffling that this is the route Gunn wanted to take while also trying to do family friendly shit.
The tonal inconsistency is massive throughout this shit, and even Superman was no exception with his insane "Jor El actually wants Superman to rape every woman on earth" plot.

>>215220774
>is obviously the most barebones, unprincipled, soulless type of grifter of all time
and you accused me of using word salad you actual retard. You said literally nothing of substance in entire post LMAO

>>215221160
The tone fits the character. Why is this so difficult for you idiots to figure out? Do you want a family friendly Batman movie? You want a grimdark muh realism Green Lantern series? You want a family friendly Green Arrow?

>>215221258
>Jor El actually wants Superman to rape every woman on earth" plot
>rape
Do you..do you what harem means

>>215221265
>The tone fits the character
But it doesn't fit the brand that Gunn is trying to sell.
You can have the cake. You can eat the cake. You can't do both.

>>215221273
Oh that's way better lmao
How about a plot where Jor El doesn't explicitly tell Superman to have sex with thousands of women? That shouldn't be too hard to accomplish.

>>215221265
>Do you want a family friendly Batman movie?
Yes.

>>215221265
>You want a family friendly Green Arrow?
the Nolan-y Arrow series was weird tbqh. i know the comics did 'grittier' Batman shit (e.g. Arsenal) but i hope that's not THE standard going forward.

the 90s Flash series was riding the coattails of the Burton Batman films. i like it, but The Flash SHOULD be the goofy one.

>>215221265
I think kid shit should be for kids, and I don't think it's too much to ask to make kid shit that isn't fucking awful.
If I want adult movies I'll watch shit that isn't capeshit.

>>215220630
If someone wouldn't go to see Superman, can you explain why they'd go to see Supergirl? How does Supergirl outsell Superman's tickets?

Lol literally this in video form.

>>215221276
No. Why MCU got boring because the tone for everything was the same factory setting. Every character should
have ton that fits the character. Green Arrow is not family friendly. Batman isn’t going to be Lego Batman. Aquaman was successful because the tone fit the character. It wasn’t Snyder’s ugly grim dark taking itself seriously. It was the opposite. Very colorful, ridiculous and fun

>>215221429
>Every character should
>have ton that fits the character.
And here I thought indians hated Gunn. Interesting wording.

>>215221276
This isn't a literal thing though...

>>215221429
Ehh Superman was good, the "hope" meme also helped it. Also people were burned out on edgy and evil Supes. The characters outside of superman? All cynical cunts. Lois lane being the worst. The worst girlfriend and the worst journalist. And lex luthor was good but his plan so fucking over the top that it doesn't make sense why he's not immediately put on the electric chair

>>215221553
> The worst girlfriend and the worst journalist

How? She’s the one went got Mr Fantastic to go and help save Superman. Her and Jimmy also figured out and exposed Lex’s plan. What you taking about

>>215214596
stfu you're not welcome here bitch

>>215214821
Don’t quite agree with how it is making Superman into a joke but you’re right that the plot totally undermines the point that Gunn is trying to make. Superman keeps talking about being kind but you’re right that almost everything is resolved with violence and all violent acts are treated as jokes. Gunn also does this by undermining the immigrant allegory by making Jor El and his kin evil.

>>215214145 (OP)
Nobody liked season 2 of Peacemaker. Tim Meadows' character was the only good part of the whole season, and he's mostly an inconsequential character.

>>215221923
> Superman keeps talking about being kind but you’re right that almost everything is resolved with violence and all violent acts are treated as jokes.

You are making assumptions and the
opposite is true. Justice Gang got fired after Hawkgirl killed a world leader. Rick Flag is now all in on meta humans being a threat and is going to send them all to
Salvation. No doubt Superman and all the meta humans are gong to be sent to Salvation at the end of Man of Tomorrow.

>>215214145 (OP)
well, he is a pedo cuck and loves jewish cum.

>>215222161
it's crazy people are still pushing this meme

>>215222031
The Justice Gang WERE FIRED FROM THE CLEARLY EVIL GOVN.
What the fuck that tells you?
Does she even feel sorry for what she did at any point? Fucking no.

>>215220599
The threads were hilarious.

>>215222214
dude, you are a jewish cum drinker

>>215222592
>has jews inside his head all the time
Kek

>>215214145 (OP)
I just looked at James Gunn's filmography and he literally was a total B movie horror and general schlock director from Troma (still amazing to me Gunn is the Troma guy and the most famous thing to come from that outfit), UNTIL Guardians of the Galaxy. That's a lot of faith for someone that doesn't make a 7.0+ imdb movie until the 2010s when he started in the 90s.

He must be an amazing occultist or great fun at adrenochrome parties.

>>215222719
I'm guessing both or DC is just that desperate that they got a guy who made a bunch of mini flops to himself to herald him as the head of dc after Philips said no and made his own box office bomb

>>215222636
>has jewish penis inside his mouth all the time
kek

I enjoyed Peacemaker (Season 2>Season1)
I enjoyed Suicide Squad
I enjoyed The Suicide Squad
I enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy
Superman was mid

>>215215345
>cuck shit
Elaborate.

>>215222860
I like the idea of not doing a realistic movie and diving hard into fantasy. The only thing I didn't like was that Metropolis was constantly threatened by monsters every week. No civilization can withstand that kind of unrelenting trauma. Otherwise, tone-down the inappropriate jokes. Like Superman commenting on coffee while Justice Gang is fighting outside the window. Gunn is too silly.

>>215222243
Yoi assumed there wasn’t consequences for their actions and there was. They got fired, Superman not working with them and they’re having to find new recruits. Flag sees them all as danger and created Salvation.

>>215218918
It did. Do you not understand basic economics?

>>215222031
No doubt there are outcomes as a result like Salvation but to bounce off what others have already sort of said, that is undermined by how everything is presented. All the killing in Superman is done in a fun, badass and comedic way where you root for all it, and all consequences stem from the villains you’re supposed to be against. It’s not like “What’s So Funny About Truth Justice and the American Way” where when we see The Elite kill, it’s done in a way that’s distressful and clearly morally corruptive. The Justice Gang illustrates nothing like that. Gunn wants to say through interviews or the character of Clark is that kindness is what solves problems (even then he’s not really bothered by killing or the threat of it in the film besides the Indian) but the film shows us that killing or the threat of can be both fun and just, and again any consequences come from antagonists who we are supposed to believe are in the wrong from the get go. Gunn wants to have his cake and eat it too

>>215214901
Why do modern movies look like youtube videos?

>>215223434
Not to mention that every problem is resolved through killing, aside from Lex Luthor, and even Luthor is completely fucked violently by Krypto mid Superman speech about how human and nice he is.
The kaiju? Mister Terrific killed it, despite Superman not wanting that outcome. Monster is dead and gone. Superman just complain about it under his breath but doesn't truly make a stand about it.
The Not-Russia/Israel president? Killed by Hawkgirl, and made it seen as moral, just, and funny outcome. The movie never address this. Peacemaker did, but not the movie itself.
The Ultraman? Thrown in a blackhole. Gone. Forgotten. Superman just continues without giving much of a fuck.
And like i said Luthor is completely fucked by Krypto.

>>215223510
there's no color grading

He wants those Indian clicks because the YouTube algorithm shit the bed in August-September and literally everyone is getting half the views.

>>215214145 (OP)
WB has been dead for over a year. The Flash was just the gas escaping the body.

The movie was bad but would have been improved if it ended with this instead of the Punk Rocker song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teUlISh-TiA

>>215223541
Did you fall asleep when Peacamaker mocking Superman for killing only when he has to? It’s literally a last result. Superman is not a pacifist. He has no problem putting the dictator on a cactus. He has problem just murdering people when you don’t have to.

>>215223687
So... like MoS Superman?

>>215223687
Murderman.....

>>215214901
Not sure if I'm getting older and better at noticing cgi, or if cgi is getting shittier and more noticeable

>>215223751
The movie had shit CGI.

>>215214145 (OP)
>Superman was a success

>>215223765
What is this expression supposed to convey?

>>215214821
>how every problem or consequence is actually "resolved" by other characters through violent means (with the movie treating it as something just and/or cool) just so Superman can remain "pure".

This is a very good point. Superman doesn't even show up in Ukrainstine at the end because Hawkgirl had to kill the dictator and Superman couldn't be around for that.

>>215222031
>Justice Gang got fired after Hawkgirl killed a world leader.
You have to watch Peacemake to know that, which I didn't until this thread. They're celebrated in this movie. Also, Superman throws his clone into a black hole instead of trying to reason with him or help him.
>b-but he'll survive and come back as Bizarro
Superman had no way of knowing that, cunt.

>>215218365
>Muh box office
>Muh profits
He's not referring to the box office, he's referring to the content of the movie itself. You know, the product we're paying for? The product we're supposed to invest 2+ hours into each time we watch it? Maybe Gunn should've made Supes and Lex less gay and retarded.

Why do you think Snyderbros exist in the first place? Ask yourself why.

Lot of problems with the movie.
>Basically no Clark Kent.
>Skipped over him telling Lois
>Superman acts kind of dumb
>Superman's parents are evil, makes his origin a lot less interesting.
>Big speech about being human is just Gunn trying to hard to make Superman relatable.
>Jokes aren't funny
>Justice Gang gets too much screentime.

peacemaker season 2's finale having nothing pissed people off.

>>215223908
>Why do you think Snyderbros exist in the first place? Ask yourself why.
Sunk cost and emotional attachment

>>215222719
James Gunn made excellent connections in Hollywood thanks to the pedo parties

>>215223908
> Why do you think Snyderbros exist in the first place? Ask yourself why.

Because they are all Cavill faggots. James Cameron could’ve directed the movie and they’d hate him for firing Cavill and rebooting the Sneedervese

>>215223765
Why did she pull her head out of her ass?

>Criticak Drinker
You know, I really need someone to justify everytime why I should care about what some random fag on YouTube thinks

>>215214228
Turns out it was just a mass viral marketing campaign to make a WB buyout look more enticing.

>>215224662
Libs shilled the movie for free because it was a symbolic victory after losing the election

>>215224693
That too, which ironically crippled it further, being known as the power fantasy of the most detestable weirdos around at any given time. X-Men might suffer a similar fate and I'll have a good laugh when it does.

>>215214328
It was a good finale. People just had way too high expectations.

>>215220899
Gunn has revived the brand. Creature commandos, superman and peacemaker s2 were all big critical hits and general audiences loved them.

>>215214145 (OP)
> Why is everyone now hating on James Gunn?

Now? He never liked Superman or Gunn. MAGA guys hated on it from the start

>>215224745
If it wasn't for libs taking Superman as a symbol of hope, the movie would make a lot less. Libs have disposable cash and could see the movie several times. Meanwhile chuds are either too poor to buy a ticket or stick to torrents. That's why the movie made money in America only

>>215224798
He's got uphill battle. Superhero fatigue is pretty prevalent outside of much of the US. DC has always been less popular than Marvel and even they're losing it. I enjoyed Superman but I'm really doubtful Supergirl will be a success

>>215224878
I would watch literally anything this slimy ghoul made a point of publicly disliking

>>215224878
Supergirl going to surprise a lot people. It’s a good story. True Grit in space and it added Jason Momoa as Lobo. It only needs to be well received and a moderate success and keep momentum building for Man of Tomorrow. That will be what Gunn and his new DCU will be judged on

>>215224864
When have faggots and women EVER showed up to support their backwards psycho virtue signalling targets? The initial tickets were from brand recognition (despite that pathetic cope Gunn tried, unreal) and people out of the loop, then the usual suspects got loud trying to make it theirs and its legs got axed.

>>215224963
>good story
It is based on an awful as fuck comic by Tom King.

>>215224978
Rajesh doesn't know what a Tom King is, and once that information gets added to his script he'll bring up awards as if that's not especially damning in that industry.

>>215224963
>moderate success
Isn't the movie set in space? Chances are it'll have a bigger budget than Superman

>>215224973
>When have faggots and women EVER showed up to support their backwards psycho virtue signalling targets?
Barbie?
Wicked?

>>215225003
He probably just heard that is a bad copy of True Grit, and thinks because that was a nice movie it'll be just like that.

>>215224973
> legs got axed.

It only dropped 54% second weekend and only 57% against F4 when it took all its IMAX’s. What you talking about? It made practically same domestically as The Batman. If China and Asian countries weren’t boycotting superheroes now it would’ve been well over 700 mill. China and Asians countries are out of the superhero market

>>215225010
It’s actually make it less. Film most the shit in green screen studio instead of expensive locational shooting.

>>215225034
>If China and Asian countries weren’t boycotting superheroes now
Not a thing, as delusional as trying to claim Superman has been forgotten in foreign markets.

>>215225032
I’ve read it. And Tom King hate is gay. Only problem is his clunky to ass dialogue at times but it will no doubt will all be rewritten like adaptions. Also for guy that did I, Tonya directing it

>>215214145 (OP)
Peacemakers finale was bad, but in a way that reeks of Gunn and MCU influence.
Off the top of my head:
>Hyping nothingburger episodes as important to the DCU going forward
>Series of montages and self indulgent gunnisms (slow motion walk is really masturbatory)
>Despite claiming DCU cameos would be messy and detract from story, lets two bands only Gunns a fanboy off cameo for ~10 minutes of the finale
>Undermined a "slow burn" show by speedrunning character development in final ep
>Five needledrops in a single episode, one being "fuck my heart in the ass"
>MCU style cliffhanger ending that will be resolved in another project

An overdose of Gunn so great, that even as a Superman (2025) fan, makes me desperate for a co-writer on Man of Tommorow

>>215225094
> Not a thing

Yeah, ok. Why every capeshit movie been shutout this year since the Trade War. And a year ago they biggest MCU consumers

>>215220097
Haven't read the whole thread, yet I KNOW this is the dumbest in it

>>215225130
All the drafts show it's all gunn's blazing

>>215224978
It's a good story but how can the ending fit the Gunnverse? It's supposed to be an elseworld comic

>>215225146
You're trying to make this about your sexual obsession while claiming Captain Falcon would have been successful otherwise. You need intervention ASAP.

>>215225157
Hope he keeps the attitude of "I need to restrain my style" for it then.
Peacemakers finale was so dogshit it made the rest of the already weak season worse in retrospect

>>215225216
No reason to change after keeping it for 4 movies and 2 tv shows

>>215215124
Snyder needs a tardwrangler, him doing shit on his own ultimately becomes a glorified cinematographer wankfest. Nolan was the best guy he ever worked with.

>>215225196
WTF talking you fsggot

>>215221003
Could be that retarded cunt Ellen Page trying to bury it because it's a sad reminder of how hot she used to be.

>>215225270
Flew right over your head, did it? Always a tourist.

>>215225329
Who's the cutie?

>>215215083
This shit really got under my skin
Motherfucker brought in the Nelsons, Foxy Shazam, and the production crew for cameos in the finale
But god forbid Lois Lane appear for 5 seconds to foreshadow an investigation, or C-list villains appearing on Earth X or Salvation
Shit that would actually be relevant to the DCU

>>215225399
She... she's not doing so well these days...
Best to remember her as the hot sidekick rapist (killed because Gunn loves adding excessive shock)

>>215215083
Well ain't that somethin

>>215225418
Gunn doesn’t like main characters. He likes side characters. If you want to know his possible undoing it will be this

>>215214332
This.
>>215220097
Cain down, you just reacted to him insulting.some YouTube nobody like he spit in your nations culture goblet

>>215214145 (OP)
Manufactured Success has a short shelf life. The ticket taker will be kicked off the Dark Rider's High Horse the moment he's found out to be useless and it's always sooner rather than later.

Pedo Gunn thought he'll slam dunk the right with his stupid slop show and his stupid doll sized barren womb wife

>>215220097
Fuck off Drinker we said Gunn was shit while you were still sucking his dick

>>215214145 (OP)

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>>215214145 (OP)
Its because hes a total hack. Just a cumstain on snyders sleeves

>>215220097
>Drinker ISN'T grifter like his fellow anti-woke eceleb friends

Why was it so poorly received? Is it just people are sick of super shit? I don't think it was a bad movie, but I think it was too complex for normies. Like anti war and random political shit and no origin stories was probably too much for the average normie? I didn't think it was bad and I liked the ultra nice guy depiction of superman. That was a fun depart from all the serious tragic shit we've been seeing.

>>215226524
>but I think it was too complex for normies
Dude, the movie opened with a fucking text dump explaining the world and Superman status. Not even to do what Snyder did with Watchmen and make a cool little montage to show things visually. Gunn could even plug one of his lame dad rock music to it.
Then throughout the movie you've the characters stopping what they are doing, looking directly toward the fucking camera, and doing an entire speech explaining what they are all about and their motivation.

>>215214145 (OP)
Because of that godawful S2 ending, yes