Thread 215322738

Why did people side with Stannis over Renly?

Renly's clearly the better king candidate, and is excellent with diplomacy.

>>215322738 (OP)
Wasn't he gay

>>215322782
he was married

>>215322782
Didn't Stannis premeditatedly murder his own child?

>>215322907
Not canon

>>215322950
I say it is.

Stannis and Joffrey were the legitimate heirs depending on who you believed about Joff's parentage. Renly had absolutely no claim at all. Siding with him as a lord sets a dangerous precedent that your chain of succession no longer has any meaning.

>>215322738 (OP)
because stannis wasn't a raging faggot

>>215322950
By "canon", you mean fucking books?
Please tell me the name of this board.

>>215322738 (OP)
He cute

>>215322738 (OP)
NO KINGS!
>most popular tv show in the past 20 years is about Kings

What did you dorks mean by this?

>>215323315
do normies even talk about it?

>>215322738 (OP)
Ok real answer
Robert cucked Stannis and gave him control of the island of Dragonstone rather than his arguably rightful inheritance as the next senior Baratheon of the Stormlands. Renly was given this instead. The Stormlands like the Riverlands or the Vale or the North is another kingdom. This meant that all the Lords of the Stormlands swore fealty to Renly rather than Stannis, meaning they were obliged to follow him rather than Stannis when he made a play for the throne. This screwed Stannis as the Stormlands should have been his strongest power base as the legitimate Baratheon candidate. Stannis was an unpopular figure as well, a heretic, and uncharismatic. Secondly, Stannis was already married and had no son, and the Tyrells (who ruled the Reach) wanted their blood on the throne. So Renly was able to win their support by marrying Margaery. Also, Renly in the books is a giga chad, basically a clone of young Robert.

>>215323315
not necessarily kings, just multiple nation leaders fighting

>>215322738 (OP)
Renly made friends with them and made promises to them. Stannis was cold to everyone and wanted people to prove themselves to him.

why did Renly think Dorne was on his side?

>>215322738 (OP)
Stannis stands for what is right. we know he will be a better king.
Renly is bought and sold just like irl politicians. we are sick of them.

>>215322738 (OP)
>king candidate
Not how that works. Stannis is the rightful lord of the Seven Kingdoms by all the laws of gods and men. He didn't ask for it. The throne is his by right.

>>215322738 (OP)
What made Renly ''clearly'' the better king?
Being charismatic doesn't mean you can rule effectively and efficiently.

>>215322738 (OP)
Renly was a shit king only loved by lords
GRRM subtly conveyed this by having the character literally suck noble cock

but what was his tax policy?

>>215323315
>no kings
>king in 1776 had virtually no power
>the fight was against the corrupt parliament
>make a new corrupt parliament and call it a congress
what did they mean by this

>What is a good king's single most important quality?
>Holiness?
>Baelor the Blessed was holy, and he ended up fasting himself into an early grave because food was of this world and this world was sinful.
>Strength?
>King Robert was strong. He attended three small council meeting and spent his last years whoring and hunting and drinking until the last two killed him.
>Justice?
>U-umm, w-well Orys I was just a-and he did a lot of good things and everyone loved him... b-but his brother just happened to be an asshole who killed him in his sleep! Dying isn't very just IS IT?! J-JUST SHUT UP AND LET ME MAKE MY POINT
Bravo

Renly should have known that getting rid of the Lannisters should be the priority over who will sit the throne
He fucked himself and his brother

>>215322782
Yes

Renly would have made a fantastic king. He was charismatic, learned and humble. He would not have mistreated his people.

Stannis only won because of witchcraft. Fucking sorcery. Magic is bullshit. It’s like a bullet. Cannot dodge it once cast. If its goal is to fucking kill you.

>>215322738 (OP)
Because Stannis is the rightful king, simple as.

>>215322738 (OP)
it's not a democracy or a popularity contest, anon

>>215323559
Never really understood that part. He's clearly able to win over Highgarden easier, but that's pretty much where it begins and ends

>>215323478
>why did Renly think Dorne was on his side?
because dorne is full of faggots
>>215323803
this exchange caused showshills to work overtime trying to find a cope for Orys the first despite Orys being a valyrian name yet somehow being an ancient westerosi king lol

>>215323972
>Renly would have made a fantastic king.
Highgarden you mean. There's no way the Tyrells wouldn't really be running things. Renly's a pushover. And we all know who the real power in the Reach is. Oldtown. And Oldtown means one thing. Grey rats.

>>215323972
Yeah, just see the differences how Renly and Stannis reacted to Robb Stark being King in the North.
Stannis screwed everything up, the Lannisters were fucked with the Baratheon-Tyrell forces on one side and Stark-Tully forces on the other.

>>215324379
Robb Stark meant to steal half of Stannis's kingdom. He was a rebel and a thief.

EURON GET IN HERE, WE'RE TELLING KINSLAYING STORIES

>>215324391
Yeah, but you deal with that AFTER you've beaten the main enemy.
Renly was going to make Robb swear fealty to him as well, but he understood it would be useful to cooperate until the Lannisters were dealt with,

>>215324404
>rapes all of his male relatives
>as a prank

>>215322738 (OP)
>Renly's clearly the better king candidate,
That's not how monarchy works, dude

>>215324451
>"You ever watch those Pirates of the Caribbean films, Pilou?"
>"Yeah, why"
>"Just act like Jack Sparrow - if he was evil"
kino

>>215324450
>fealty to him
Would have been invalid. Renly is not the king no matter how much he might want it. And this so called War of the Five Kings is completely ignoring the fact that at this point all loyal men should still be sworn to King Viserys, the Third of his Name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm.

>>215323399
not that it goes against your point, but Stannis is also very physically imposing in the books
the baratheons are basically gurm's take on numenoreans

Stannis is boring, Rently is cool
nuff said

>>215322895
I could care less, basically.

Stannis sold his soul to the red devil when he put his member into that red witch.

>>215324539
there's absolutely nothing interesting about renly other than "he kinda looks like Robert in his prime"

>>215323315
Except no one liked any of the Kings, lol

>>215324570
>t. Maester Cresson

>>215324518
A shame we didn't get a POV of Stannis winning the respect of the Mountain Clans. I have to imagine there'd be a wrestling competition, hunting, and drinking games to prove worth. Stannis downing 12 cups of strong ale then saying, "well there ya go, do I have your respect now?" while the shocked northern Hillbillies sit there in awe as he is still awake would be great.

>>215324578
Renly has peaches, Stannis doesn't
nuff said

>>215324578
He managed to win the entire Reach more or less alongside half the Stormlands. Even Ned realized that Renly was 100% right in his assessment of the post Robert situation. The only fuckup Renly had was not realizing Stannis had literal magic.

>>215324489
>Hey Pilou we made a Game of Thrones that's sci-fi and a lot more black and gay
>Say no more

>>215324635
THAT FUCKING PEACH, WHAT DID IT MEEEEEEEEEAN?!

>>215322895
Wit a goomah!

>>215324679
it's a metaphor for loras's bussy

>>215324688
Get the fuck outta here... then again, he did have all that weight loss.

>>215322895
Oscar Wilde was married...

>>215324699
Explains why Stannis didn't get it, he was too busy thinking of Mel's firey cunt. I imagine it's like fucking one of those heated pizza bags.

>>215324704
Bloody Flux?

>>215324743
NO ONE HERE HAS THE PALE MARE!!!

Using magic to kill your rivals isn’t a part of the accepted rules of war.

>>215324840
I don’t think there are any accepted rules of war. It’s just win or lose(die).

stannis was sent to dragonstone because he was a kwab not because he was next in line

>>215324840
>ahhh Reffies save me
Same energy

>>215324909
Robert must've hated Stannis so much. Renly at least would get drunk and had friends Bobby B could hang out with.

>>215325104
King Bobby was great fun. Loved his friendship with Thoros of Myr.

>>215324587
MUH KWEEN

>>215325433
she lives duty free in your head

>>215322782
It was just a joke. He was joking around.

>>215325868
it was his blood pressure medication

>>215322782
Fucking a dude in the ass is the most manly thing you can do. Taking it in the ass is super gay and womanly though.

>>215325433
>AHHHH TRUMP WON BUT MY LIFE IS STILL SHIT, SOMEHOW KAMALA IS THE REASON FUCKING DEMONRATS!!!
Why are kneelers like this?

>>215322738 (OP)
Because he's the younger brother, the throne passes to the oldest male heir by law. Which is Stannis. Joffrey doesn't count since he doesn't have any of Robert's blood.

>>215326859
>Joffrey doesn't count since he doesn't have any of Robert's blood.
Surely you have some proof of this?

>>215326944
Joff never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

>>215326830
I don’t vote, I laugh at all of you while I clean my firearms and wait for the inevitable.

>>215326967
Joffrey was the most noble child the gods ever put on this earth.

>>215326972
who said you voted?
>MAGA reading comprehension
No wonder the south is always in last place.

>>215326985
Two left feet, that one.

>>215322950
>Not canon

yes it is, confirmed by the fat man

>>215322738 (OP)
Fucking homo.

>>215324391
Stannis was also a rebel

>>215323972
>learned and humble
go to bed Loras

>>215323315
>Biden gets his head chopped off like Ned

You have no idea how much I would enjoy watching this.

>>215327003
Nigga I’m 4 miles outside Portland

>>215322738 (OP)
Renly is basically a liberal. Covert homosexual with no respect for customs, succession or even titles working with upjumped nobles to subvert the kingdom. He comes with honeyed words and gifts but his intentions would have been disasters with the long night coming.

>>215323399
>Also, Renly in the books is a giga chad, basically a clone of young Robert.
>t. Retard who didn't read the books.
Renly is a dumb but charismatic fag in the books. The maester who was a father figure for Baratheons compares:
>"Robert was the true steel. Stannis is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He'll break before he bends. And Renly, that one, he's copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day."

>>215327314
>Epstein island types don’t like sleepy Joe
Not a big surprise

>>215322738 (OP)
They didn't you retarded nigger, did you even watch the show? The only people who "sided" with Stannis were his own pre-existing bannermen and a very small number. Renly drew the crowd inside and outside of his own realm. This is mentioned half a dozen times, even by Stannis himself.
Fuck you homoman. Delete your thread and your life.

>>215327984
i think OP meant people here

>>215323315
The left is Astapor with troons serving as their Unsullied army.

>>215322738 (OP)
He was a notorious faggot with zero battle experience

>>215327610
You’re a stupid argumentative retard who doesn’t understand that clone refers to appearance in this regard because it comes on the heels of “giga chad” how about reading something else other than fantasy slop to improve that reading comprehension you lack

>>215327758
Senile Joe tried to rape kids on camera

>>215325104
Dragonstone was the traditional castle of the Targ heir. Bobby was trying to do a sop to tradition since a lot of his claim was laid on a Targ grandmother.

>>215329792
No it was just a pretence to fuck Stannis over

>>215322738 (OP)
What are you talking about? Literally no one sided with Stannis except his own vassals. And even those hated him for bringing a foreign god to Westeros.

>>215329880
jon snow did

>>215329880
>Then we shall make new Lords.

>>215330797
BASED

>Stannis wins
>Dance of the Dragons 2: Electric Boogaloo when he dies and Shireen/Renly battle it out for the throne
what was he thinking

>>215331141
???

>>215323559
Stannis literally has autism

>>215323654
1 seethe tithe per day from tolkienlets

>>215324391
The only reason the north/vale/river submitted to the throne is because it was a joint war and thus vested interest. Stannis doesnt really deserve their allegiance nor can he enforce it

>>215331559
Reply is literally a faggot

HE ISN'T NEXT IN LINE
HE'S INEXPERIENCED
HE'S GAY

modern day chuds would call renly "woke"

>>215331706
>Stannis doesnt really deserve their allegiance nor can he enforce it
That's why His Grace went to the Wall and smashed Mance Rayder, though Mance had 20 times the numbers.
He defended the realm to win the throne. The king who cared. The prince who was promised.
Stannis Baratheon, the true king of Westeros.

>>215331912
It was his only option tbf and he had to be cowed into it by davos, otherwise he would have just sulked to death on d-stone rambling about muh rights

>>215331912
Westeros doesn't deserve him

King's Landing deserved what it got, as did Highgarden, Dorne and Casterly Rock

>>215331912
>The king who cared.

buf he clearly didnt care, he did it to help win support, nothing more than politics

It’s a shame the throne wasn’t made of cocks, they would have never got OP off it

>>215323399
> and gave him control of the island of Dragonstone rather than his arguably rightful inheritance as the next senior Baratheon of the Stormlands.
The funniest part of this is it technically could be seen as Robert’s way of honouring his brother since control of Dragonstone was traditionally given to the King’s heir, so it was Robert saying Stannis is his heir.
Not to mention its placing Stannis at the first line of defense against any attempts of the Targs returning since first place they’d go is Dragonstone. So Robert was trusting his brother to defend the realm from Targ fucking shits just like he defended Storms End.

>>215322738 (OP)
>king candidate
No such thing.

>>215322738 (OP)
Stannis had the legal right, and he was just. Renly was a greedy cunt trying to take what wasnt his because he felt entitled. Its like the popular kid at school trying to steal your lunch money because "lol people like me more so i can get away with it" only sycophants would support someone like that.

>>215322738 (OP)
It’s funny because you’ve actually hit on a theme from the book, anon.
In the books Stannis is a manly (but gay) man instead of an otter-mode gayboi. And so people genuinely do follow him because he looks more kingly

But notionally Westeros cares about succession, and Cersei’s kids being bastards, the throne goes to Roberts next older brother, which is Stannis the Mannis

>>215334536
>In the books Stannis is a manly (but gay) man instead of an otter-mode gayboi.
What an unfortunate mistake. Stannis on the brain. I know the feeling and that you meant Renly.