Thread 215336219

200 thousand and mostly by starvation.

HAHAHAHA ANTISEMITISM SO FUNNY RIGHT BROS?

>>215336251
No it's very serious. They're a very serious problem that needs a solution.

>>215336251
go to bed unc

>>215336251
Yes
You are correct

>>215336251
Yup, glad you agree.

>>215336273
Based realist.

good evening hebrews and shebrews

I used to think Gen Z was "based" until I realized that they just "joke" about this as a coping mechanism for being unable to voice true opinions about anything. They don't actually care about any of this and will unironically say "nigga" into their 30's thinking it's normal and reasonable
>haha nigga heil hitler xDDD

>>215336914
uh huh and in what ways are you "based", big guy?

>>215336959
>some black/hispanic/brillo haired tourist is offended

>>215336251
It's absolutely hilarious

>>215336219 (OP)
Name a worse re-release.

>>215337182
They can't keep getting away with it

>>215336251
I'll give you a real response since you got so many replies... Yes, it's funny. Yes, OP is likely factually correct. Do basic research on the Holocaust and you'll start finding wild and outlandish claims from Jewish sources. One of my favorites is the pit of Nazi zombies.

>>215336914
That isn't true at all. Questioning the Holocaust is as old as claims made about it. There are countless compendiums of individual research, and you can probably find at least four books critiquing said claims in your local library.

>>215336219 (OP)
The mass graves at Belzec alone contain the remains of over 350,000 people. The camp only had the capacity for 11,000 prisoners. Did the entire population of the camp die of starvation 32 times over in two years?

>>215337404
/pol/fags can deny the holocaust until they're blue in the face but the bodies of the victims aren't going anywhere and Mattogno and Krege still haven't published their purported GPR scans showing the mass graves are empty, contrary to what the archeological surveys done at the camps have already proven.

Mass Graves at Nazi Extermination Camps
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/05/mass-graves-at-nazi-extermination-camps.html

Human remains inside the mass graves at Chełmno, Bełżec and Sobibór
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/08/human-remains-inside-mass-graves-at.html

Mass Graves and Dead Bodies
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/10/mass-graves-and-dead-bodies.html

>>215337431
Open access primary sources
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/p/open-access-holocaust-sources-and.html

Open access secondary literature
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/p/open-access-holocaust-secondary.html

Photographic documentation of Nazi crimes
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/03/photographic-documentation-of-nazi.html

>>215337452
Index of published evidence on mass extermination at Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau
https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

The Cracow Report of 1945
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/holocaustcontroversies/the-cracow-report-of-1945-t1894.html

A Study of the Cyanide Compounds Content In The Walls Of The Gas Chambers in the Former Auschwitz and Birkenau Concentration Camps
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml

Report of Richard J. Green, PhD., In the Court of Appeal
https://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/irving-david/rudolf/affweb.pdf

Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp
https://books.google.de/books?id=mub823JQrdUC&pg=PA179&lpg=PA179&hl=de#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Ruins of the Gas Chambers: A Forensic Investigation of Crematoriums at Auschwitz I and Auschwitz-Birkenau
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/holes-report/holes.shtml

Review of the Debate on the Gas Openings at Crematoria 2 and 3 in Auschwitz - Part II: Revisionist arguments
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.de/2012/05/review-of-discussion-on-gas-openings-at_20.html

Chemistry is Not the Science: Rudolph, Rhetoric, and Reduction
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/

The Chemistry of Auschwitz
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/

Leutcher, Rudolph, & the Iron Blues
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/blue/

A Foreword to the IFFR Report
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/index.html

Didn't read, jews mad

Why am I supposed to care about the genocide of the jews when we have, in the bible, a supposed historical account of Multiple genocides carried out by jews against their neighbors + the current unjust war they are waging full of civilian casualties?

I mean following from this >>215337509
If the argument is that "genocide is wrong" then, if the jews own very public claims about their own ancient history are to be believed, they are a people VERY in the wrong.
If the argument that "jews are somehow special or better than other people" then, as a non-jew, I find this antagonistic and threatening, as much as it is spurious.

>>215337404
>>215337431
>>215337452
>>215337472
Holy fucking hell why don't you jidf faggots stay on /pol/ instead of shitting up /tv/

Or just stay in the threads you already made

>>215336219 (OP)
That's cool but we weren't talking about the Soviet Union

>>215337265
>>215337301
The only good posts ITT

>>215337431
Wooden doors

>>215337646
try again

>>215337667
Not reading the infographic, sorry. Wooden doors.

When the historical event is so true that you have to make it illegal to say it didn't happen

If the jews don't care about the innocent Palestinians they have been killing, why should I care about some dead jews from 80 years ago?

>>215337487
Dangerously based

>>215336251
lmao this mf crashin' out. absolutely cooked.

Followup >>215337689
My empathy only stretches so far.
When I learned about the holocaust in highschool, it seemed so senseless and tragic.
But now that the children of the people who suffered the holocaust (supposedly) are waging a blatantly unjust war on their neighbors and killing civilians, which is exactly the sort of thing I was taught I should feel pity and empathy for jews over because of the holocaust .... why should I care about jews now?

>>215336273
De Jooden hebben en serious probleem

>>215337667
Do you have proof of the zombie chamber? Or was Mordechai Sones (holocaust survivor) lying!

>>215336219 (OP)
It's funny because it's true

>>215337667
Wait so it is 4 million in like 1 year? The math ain't adding up on this one, Ton

>>215337779
It's not which is why it's not funny. Holocaust jokes aren't funny because they're told by genuine retarded neo-Nazis or people brainwashed by them.

>>215337802
oy vey we got a live one here lmao

>>215337802
How do you propose they gassed and burned six million jews across three camps within four years? Rollercoasters?

>>215337732
SHUT IT DOWN

So is genocide good or bad? More importantly, is the idea of universally applied ethical laws good or bad? Relevant questions for spider-man.

>>215337840
With great power, comes great responsibility. This includes prevention of death where reasonable and just.

>>215337779
In a vacuum, the idea of 200,000 civilians dying ov starvation is unfunny.
It's quite sad.
But I only raise this to clarify the issue: the taboo surrounding the issue is funny.
And not necessarily "haha" funny, but like "that's odd" funny.
Which does snowball into being actually "haha" funny because of the comedic reaction it pulls from petty dictators.

>>215337828
You clearly don't know enough about the holocaust to discuss it. There are already multiple inaccuracies in your question.

>gassed and burned
And shot, and starved to death and killed in other ways. Many weren't even cremated and plenty of bodies were found after WW2.
>three camps
There were more camps than that and the number of camps is pretty irrelevant.

>>215336251
Indeed it is!

>>215337867
You're not on a site where anyone cares about the moral nuances of finding it funny, my friend. It is simply a funny joke.

>>215336219 (OP)
Always thought the numbers were exaggerated.

>>215337877
The number of camps and other details are very relevant. Such a monumental lie deserves to be fact check to the utmost extent.

>>215337877
How many bodies, exactly were found? How many were Jewish? Just askin' questions. And sorry, I meant one camp.

>>215336251
it is. especially since we've been validated on how evil jews were/are.
they fucken made up the holocaust to get us to feel bad about them and how shitty they.
so yes. we get to laugh at you.

>>215337799
No, it's not.

Many Jews died from starvation or disease in the West towards the end of the war as supply networks broke down. In the East, many more Jews were killed by Einsatzgruppen as part of their efforts to suppress partisan resistance. The former was a horrible tragedy. The latter, a grotesque series of massacres. The true number of deaths is unknown to us. Speaking about these things runs afoul of various laws which forbid historical research about this subject.

>>215337906
see
>>215337431

>>215337910
why get stuck in a kosher dialectic; pilpuling over fictional deaths.
just say 0.
0 dead.
throw the chutzpah back at them.

>>215337910
Are you able to present any arguments without deferring to the long-winded Mossad-approved file folder?

>>215336219 (OP)
and who was responsible for that 200 thousand and starvation?

>>215337840
If genocide isn't bad, the jews have no right to hold the holocaust over people's heads as part of an 80 year long guilt trip.
Universally applied ethical laws might be good, if one's goal was a world worth living in.

>>215337927
That's not how to answer a question like a grown and honorable man. Try one more time, but answer my simple question.

>>215337929
Read the infographic.

>0 dead

What about the bodies?

>>215337957
what bodies?

>>215337404
>>215337431
Based. /pol/fags brainwashed me of the denier bullshit when I was underageb& and this site rly helped me snap out of it.
You literally have to know nothing about the holocaust to fall for that shit

>>215337957
You're willing to go back to the bodycount with him, but won't simply tell me how many were found, or how many were Jewish?

>>215337975
see
>>215337431

>>215337978
Yees, reply to yourself. That will convince us.

>can't have funny human holocaust threads anymore because Moshe from JIDF has to make it about the poor joos

don't you have a hospital to bomb or something?

>>215337978
This. Was a hardcore polcel from 16-22 but then /tv/ snapped me out of it. I also finally had sex once I stopped being "redpilled"

>>215337978
aww jeez, thank G*d you learned to stop being antisemitic and start loving jews.
those infographics really helped.
who the fuck needs greentexts when you got hasbara like that?!

>>215337472
Dang chaim thats so crazy!!!!!! I love israel now!! Jews are our greatest ally! Thank you for clearing this us i hope you enjoy your pay day for posting this wonderful information you've certainly changed my mind!!

The real question is, if there were more than 200,000 dead, why should I care?
This is not to say that I *don't* care, but the coherency of the argument as to why I should has vanished to me

Why don't people believe that the nazis killed 6 million jews during almost 6 years of war, but no one asks whether it's true that they killed 20+ million soviet people?

>>215338011
>had sex once
troons don't count. that's just buggery.

>>215337992
No one believes your schizo conspiracy outside of your hugbox

>>215338043
You want buggery? Check your local masonic lodge or synagogue

>>215338049
I think you meant to reply to all the schizo infographics you posted, Moshe. I didn't present any theories. That was you.

>>215337903
What's relevant is how people were killed. Reinhard camps and Auschwitz were sufficient to kill those 3-3.5 million people. The rest were shot or died in some other way.

>>215338049
man you suck at your job.
I hope they are paying you well (well... obviously not)

>>215338087
How many bodies were found, and how many were identified as Jewish?

>>215338087
>The rest were shot or died in some other way.
Did they deserve it?
Were they Amalekim?

>>215337913
>Speaking about these things runs afoul of various laws which forbid historical research about this subject.
Why it would be forbidden to research in the first place?

>>215338030
because people don't get taught that in school and thus know nothing about it. Same with the starvation of Dutch and Greeks among others or the mass murder of gypsies, homosexuals and anti-social people.
This in itself is pretty insane of course, like if it was only important that one particular group was genocided, but not the rest

The argument as to why the holocaust was even bad seems to have been one of Pathos
>"Oh it's so sad that so many innocent civilians died in unjust and tragic ways!"
I do find this compelling

...

which is why I denounce the jews attacks on civilians in neighboring countries
throughout history

>>215338102
Read the links you'll get your answers.

>>215338102
Considering most of them were cremated I don't know what exactly you expect.

>>215338111
Evidently the reasoning must be in the number of bodies found and how many were identified as Jewish.

>>215337487
Dangerously retarded

>>215337945
>Universally applied ethical laws might be good, if one's goal was a world worth living in.
That's no answer. The world doesn't become worth living in for ALL because of the goals of ONE, because there will always be more than ONE for whom the object of a world worth living in is such a world where it was HIS goal to make the world worth living in, id est if this goal is achieved by another this contradicts his own. The OTHER makes the goals of ONE impossible to hold as a universal ethical law for what constitutes a world worth living in for ALL without additional resolution. Kant attempted to solve the problem by introducing the concept of Good Will, but this has been refuted by Nietzsche in the Will to Power by way of the desire to be the ONE to enact ethics superceding the value of said ethics in all cases observed in human nature.
Therefore we come to the conclusion that we may at times respect Good Will, the mutual desire to enact a world worth living for all, while simultaneously understanding that disagreement, conflict, prejudice and preferentialism is as innate as the desire to be the one to hold the chains of justice in hand and that no ethical laws can be universal in any way other that they are universally self-centered, self-righteous and ultimately selfish.

>>215338132
>>215338139
How convenient. You could just say you don't know? Oh, but I sott you ver zi expairt! Are you telling me even YOU, THE Professor Judenstein don't know the real number?

>the only active threads on /tv/ are ones that trigger KGB and CIA bot spam
It's over

>>215337913
>>215338111
There are no laws against researching the holocaust anywhere. You can do your own research, just be sure to use primary sources.

>>215338152
This very rationally and poetically explained why those thousands of buildings full of civilian families had to be flattened. It was because the few hundred terrorist lives mattered more.

>>215338111
The instinct to extirpate religious heterodoxy has been secularized. The unique nature of Jewish suffering in WWII is not to be questioned as it underpins a system of mythic symbols which legitimize elite authority.

>>215338160
They found plenty of mass graves, new mass graves are still being found. No one knows how many bodies were exactly found. The same is true for any other genocide.

>>215338160
The answer is literally in the first paragraph of one of the links you're too scared to read. What's the matter anon? I thought the truth doesn't fear investigation?

>>215338030
Mao won. By FAR.

>Two recent accounts give what are widely regarded as the most credible numbers. One, in 2008, is by the Chinese journalist Yang Jisheng, who estimates that 35 million died. Hong Kong University’s Frank Dikötter has a higher but equally plausible estimate of 45 million. Besides adjusting the numbers upward, Dikötter and others have made another important point: many deaths were violent. Communist Party officials beat to death anyone suspected of hoarding grain, or people who tried to escape the death farms by traveling to cities.

>>215338073
Holocaust denial is a schizo conspiracy theory, retard

>>215338178
>Germany: Law for the Prevention of Destinies
>Similar bill passed in Poland, 2018
>France: Gaysott Law, 1990
>Israel: Mossad and Yad Vashem enforce against research
Here in Veimarica, your allies set up a lovely anti-hate speech institution in the early 1900s to support an all but convicted pedophile, rapist and murder named Leo Frank.

>>215338189
There is no archeological evidence for graves for 6 million people. The number is made up.

>>215338127
>like if it was only important that one particular group was genocided, but not the rest

this
It pisses me off when people always bring up *MAH JUICE juice juice juice AAAAA*
Like cmon, there were many other things that happened. Or, for example, how they killed several hundred thousand belarusian children by starving them to death with bread mixed with sawdust.

>>215338189
>No one knows how many bodies were exactly found.

Part of the point of the surveys was to estimate that.

>>215338178
>There are no laws against researching the holocaust anywhere.
Minimizing the Holocaust is considered Holocaust denial by legal bodies. Holocaust denial is explicitly illegal in a number of countries, and grounds for hate charges in others. Findings which bring the official figures under the mytho-historic 6 million are scrutinized, and can lead to prosecution or fines.

>>215338152
I stopped reading somewhere in the second sentence.
Freedom of Speech, the right to bear arms, Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness ... these seem like reasonable principles of universal ethics.
Far from perfect of course, but there *is* something interesting about the USA as a project towards a workable global ethical system.
We can waffle on about the need for exceptionalism all you want, but there is a point where a person like you becomes a clear threat to a worthwhile world.

>>215338223
Denying a theory is a theory? I'm certain burden of evidence is on the accuser.

the holocaust didn't happen because I saw a meme on /pol/ and i have no gf

>>215338139
Millions of people cremated in such a short amount of time is physically impossible.

>>215338234
>The number is made up.

The number comes from the first postwar censuses completed in 1946.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/angap03.asp

>>215338214
Mao "won" because there were billions of Chinese. Nazis killed off 60-70% of European Jews and 90% or so in regions they occupied.

In China most of the victims died from starvation and disease and percentage-wise I doubt it wasn't even 10% of the population.

>>215338249
>I don't need evidence because I have a screenshot of someone else posting a chudjak
Sorry moishe I'm not falling for that trick.

>>215338195
Is it too difficult to post the number? I don't understand. It takes less effort to type the numbers, than for me to search.

>>215338251
No, it's not. Modern funerary cremations are done one body at a time, usually including a coffin, at temperatures capped by safety regulations, in ovens that are cooled, cleaned, and reheated between uses, and in which the remains of the deceased are fully cremated. Without all of these considerations a cremation could be done in under half an hour in the 1800's: https://ia802607.us.archive.org/11/items/cremationdead00eassgoog/cremationdead00eassgoog.pdf (page 125).

>b-but the fuel

The Kremas burned coke. Grossraum coke production never went below 64.4 million tons per year during the war. Not all coke deliveries for Auschwitz are accounted for, however, from the period of April 1942- October 1943 there were 493 recorded tons of coke delivered. That averages out to 27.38 or so tons a month, which in Germany's lowest coke producing year, comes out to 0.00005% of monthly coke production. Read that number out loud.

>>215338257
Nothing in your link confirms the physically impossible nature of the 6 million. I'm afraid you are going to have to try harder.

>>215338185
Yes and no. The truth is the civilian families only matter in a non-survivalist mindset, something Israeli have proven to have. The question you need to ask yourself when discussing the truthfulness of the Holocaust is whether or not the Jews projected their ultra-survivalist mindset on the Germans when they gave their testimonies, or if you believe yourself capable of those same things the Jews accused the Germans of doing. Because if it's the latter, then ultimately a universal ethical law against murder is never going to stand up to situations where on a social scale, mass murder becomes the purpose of life. If it's the former, then the Jews are the sole problem in the equation.

Again, the real question is, even if it really was 6 million, why should I care if the jews don't care about the innocents they are killing in Palestine?

>>215338251
/thread

>>215338291
Yeah that's not evidence they accomplished something physically impossible. Keep trying though.

>>215338298
The question you should ask yourself is whether those millions of children deserved to be bombed so you could find and capture a couple Pakis alive

>>215338291
>posting some schizo infographic like it is proof of anything

>>215338332
topkek

>>215338268
>Mao "won"
Based winner.

>>215338305
>>215338311
What's physically impossible about it? Cremations were being done in less than 30 minutes in the 1800's: https://ia802607.us.archive.org/11/items/cremationdead00eassgoog/cremationdead00eassgoog.pdf (page 125).

Coke is the same fuel used to fire blast furnaces. It burns at 2300-2500 °C (4172-4532 °F).

>>215336251
kek it is

>>215338311
There's nothing impossible about it. They managed to cremate a few thousand victims of Dresden bombing in a week or so.
They used the same method they used in Operation Reinhard camps - throwing bodies on huge pyres.
In Auschwitz they used crematoria with high capacity (I think it was 52 muffles in ovens overall) and they also cremated people in outside pits (for which there is photographic evidence).

>>215338345
no proof of coke. you are just some revisionist playing holocaust of the gaps to try to explain away your fairy tail.

>>215336251
Yes it is.

>>215338332
Thankfully the Krema engineers left behind a lot of paperwork.

>>215338345
Even if everything the jews assert about the holocaust were true, which, like it or not *is* questionable on a few points, why should I care? Why should I care about jews?
I used to care, but your actions make me question whether I should

This jew itt really thinks he's going to convince anyone of anything lmao you guys are the villains of the world

>>215338361
>no proof of coke.

1) We have their delivery records.

2) Are you actually arguing there wouldn't be any coke at Auschwitz? How the fuck do you think the trains got there? Auschwitz was the primary death camp because it was a railroad nexus. What so you think the trains used for fuel you dumbass?

>>215338270
>le evidence le debatebro
Blurry memes from 2009 you saw on /pol/ aren't evidence against the holocaust dork

>>215338245
The USA just like any other empire has proven that it would rather let the world go up in flames rather than let anyone else be the ones to champion those ethics. And I mean the nation itself, not just its neocon and neolib elites.
>a person like you becomes a clear threat to a worthwhile world
How many people like me are there? How many are there in your country? In your race? You don't fucking know, and you have no way of knowing. Your universally applied ethical laws begin and end with eliminating everyone else who wants power - even the ones who pursue the same ethical laws as you - which is far more than your self-righteous goodthink little principles of freedom of speech and pursuit of happiness will ever accomplish no matter how many arms you bear or how many liberties you take.

>>215338345
Let's lower the number to 1 million, like what is claimed for Auschwitz. If each body takes around 10 minutes to cremate (being generous), year, then... that would take at minimum 463 days with fifteen ovens. Apply basic common sense reasoning.

>>215338397
>year
ignore that. typo.

>>215338314
Prove that such a question is even worth considering without resorting to moralfaggotry.

>>215338397
>each body takes around 10 minutes to cremate

No, half an hour per the engineers own estimations.

>with fifteen ovens

Krema III had 15 muffle ovens. Auschwitz had 52 in total.

>>215337431
If the bodies aren’t going anywhere, may we see them?

>>215338414
You don't care about the deaths of millions of children?

>>215336219 (OP)
Fuck orcs and hook noses

>>215338432
No.

>>215336273
Nuke kike-rael is the solution

>>215338430
Sure, look at the pictures the archeologists took.

>>215337182
Lmao. Fuck hook noses and orcs

>>215338432
oh course not; he's a jew

>>215338394
>Your universally applied ethical laws begin and end with eliminating everyone else who wants power
Actually no.
I specifically mentioned "the right to bear arms", and I believe in the idea of world citizens being armed both against the threat of government tyranny, and against the threat of criminals amongst themselves.
So no, the very opposite: I hope for a world in which most men are powerful enough to stand up to each other.
Peace in the form of a mexican standoff or an eternal cold war.

>>215338421
Well, you see... It takes at least one hour to cremate a body, friend, and you can't fit 4,000 or more bodies in 52 ovens per day with that math.

>>215337404
>>215337431
These are jew bot posts. I see it spammed here many times.
And to think a chat bot using outdated terms for butt pirates

>>215337487
based

>>215338444
Not that anon
But why should I care about allowing you to participate in society?

>>215338397
>>215338251
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKgSY25sQFK/
Modern cremators have explained that they could stack 10 bodies and the time to burn the bodies barely increases.
You can't compare nazi cremation to respectful cremation.
Ovens were not the main method of cremation in most camps anyway. Bodies were primarily burned in pits with fuel. Ovens don't even matter.

Any time you hear Nazi "cookie math" or "the math doesn't add up bro" it's a complete lie.

>>215337487
Based. Never trust hook noses when they only hire based on hook nose nepotism and orc duhversity

>>215338474
>It takes at least one hour to cremate a body, friend

Cremations were being done in less than 30 minutes in the 1800's: https://ia802607.us.archive.org/11/items/cremationdead00eassgoog/cremationdead00eassgoog.pdf (page 125).

It all depends on the temperature. Coke burns at 2300-2500 °C (4172-4532 °F).

I think the idea that the jews are a holy people is a lie.
As much as a lie as my asserting that I am the great I am.

>>215338484
Yes, assuredly. Now I would like for you to check the statistics on Jewish population in Europe between 1932 and 1945. I think you'll find a peculiar increase of around half a million or more.

>>215338268
>Mao "won" because there were billions of Chinese.
>In China most of the victims died from starvation and disease and percentage-wise I doubt it wasn't even 10% of the population.

So basically you're saying that Chinese lives don't matter because there was so many of them?

Not saying you're wrong, it's just an interesting take.

>>215338497
>People lied in the 1800s
Shocking.... Who could have guessed?

>>215337978
>Based. /pol/fags brainwashed me of the denier bullshit when I was underageb& and this site rly helped me snap out of it.
You literally have to know nothing about the holocaust to fall for that shit

>>215338509
No, I meant that more of them died because there were a lot of Chinese. I think even Holodomor or Soviet famine in Kazakhstan were more deadly.

>>215338465
The concept died in the American civil war, and you're hilariously naive. Hitler accurately pointed out the flaw in your argument - it doesn't matter how well armed you are if you don't fire the gun, and your target is selected for you by someone else.
If you had actually finished reading my post instead of stopping after the second sentence, you would understand that my point is that the true right to bear arms begins with the right to disagreement, which is necessarily self-centered.

>>215337827
Very sad that the Allies bombed supply lines leading to millions of Germans dying. Guess some jews died too.

>>215338507
It's cherrypicked debunked shit. Real sources of jewish population always showed a decrease.

>>215338524
It's pretty much the opposite. If you believe the holocaust didn't happen you most likely know nothing about it.
Most of you don't even ask the proper questions or imagine the whole thing completely wrongly.

>>215338524
That kind of scriptflipping only works in a Carnegie-Rockefeller approved school, friend.

>>215337686
Based. Hook noses don't have good faith discussions with pretty nose people.
Wooden doors and big balls up in dis Haus, boi

>>215338543
Why should I read your posts?

>>215338554
Are these real sources from before the year 1946?

>>215336251
>you cant say anything about Israel’s manufactured famine being used as a tool of extermination!! That’s antisemitic!!!
Post nose

>>215338481
Get back to me on that question when you have some way of preventing me from participating in society.

Lmao at this thread

>>215338556
Not that anon
But many ancients believed life was a kind of illusion
So what makes your perception of the illusion worth my time?

>>215337689
>>215337732
Also these hook noses immediately turned on the pretty noses that saved them in ww2 and turned boomers against their parents and their race. And proceeded to slowly genocide their saviours over 80 years with racist pogroms.
Truly satan's chosen people

>>215338569
Hegelian dielectics necessitate confrontation of your ideas with mine. If you want an echo-chamber, try reddit.

>>215338597
I already have prevented (You) from participating in society.

>>215338597
The Iron Dome won't stop me. I could come from anywhere. I could be one of you. You would never know it until it's too late.

>>215338548
See, this doesn't really work for multiple reasons. Most Jews weren't in Germany, but in Eastern Poland, Hungary, Western Soviet Union, Baltics, Romania.

By the time the allies started their strategic bombing campaign Polish Jews were pretty much eradicated. Most extermination camps stopped operating in late 1943 as their primary goal was to get rid of Jews from the General Government.

>>215338628
There are higher forms of dialogue.

>>215338622
>believing jewish soviet lies is "understanding basic history"
Okay, here's some basic history for you, the jews have been kicked out of every single nation they've ever resided in for two thousand years and all of them have had the same reasons.

>>215336251
trvke

>>215338484
look at all the revisionism that has to happen to try to explain the obvious oven lie. A lie that only exists because there's no archeological evidence for the 6 million claimed.

>>215338639
Oh, Hegel isn't classy enough? Now tell me why I should believe the Talmud or the Torah over the Corpus Hermeticum.

>>215336251
Correct

>>215336251
Yes

>>215338640
With nowhere left to run, unless they reform (which seems impossible for them), they will be kicked off the face of the planet.

>>215338659
No: I believe otherwise.

>>215338648
>the obvious oven lie

What's a lie? You know that cremations were being done in less than 30 minutes in the 1800's right: https://ia802607.us.archive.org/11/items/cremationdead00eassgoog/cremationdead00eassgoog.pdf (page 125).

The jews are never getting kicked out of America, so you can stop fantasizing about that already.

>>215338685
That isn't a proper response under any measure.

what did raimi mean by this

>>215338696
Yes they are.

>>215338696
Boomers have about 12 more years on the table, and Gen X through Z hate you here. I don't know what you think you're avoiding.

>>215338687
>reposting nonsense
prove you aren't a bot

>>215338698
It is sufficient for dealing with (You).

>>215336219 (OP)
Why can't chuds admit Nazis were evil

The boomers are never going to die. You can stop fantasizing about that, too.

>>215338718
These jokes need an upgrade.
This really is an important point to press: why should we care?
The jews have ceded all moral authority by waging a genocide against Palestine

>>215338713
No, it isn't. I don't know what you meant by the post, dipshit. Do you believe the opposite of my premise? Of what I believe? Of my assumption of your belief? You have to clarify in order to be taken seriously. If it's a misunderstanding and you think I'm the JDIF shill, you got the wrong guy, pal.

>>215338710
What's nonsense about it? You think that higher temperatures don't burn things faster?

>>215336219 (OP)
Why are hook noses shitting up the comfy Spiderman hates orcs and hook noses thread?
What snowflake, maldling, small dicked bois

>>215338737
I believe you are engaging in meaningless pipul, and that (You) are far from worth my time.

>>215338741
I think the point that is being woven for you, is you believe in much more fantastical claims than that.

anyone else find this moment jarring?

>>215338750
What?? I'm not even the Israel, or are you saying that is (((YOU))), and that's why you think I am doing pilpul? But no, it is not meaningless. What YOU posted was meaningless, which is why I asked for clarification YOU FUCKING RETARD. So now: Why should I believe the Talmud or the Torah over the Corpus Hermeticum?

>>215338757
What's fantastical? Do higher temperatures burn things faster or not?

>>215338775
You sir, are a fish

>>215336219 (OP)
>t. Adam Egret

>>215338734
>This really is an important point to press: why should we care?
>The jews have ceded all moral authority by waging a genocide against Palestine
It's not an important point to press at all. Either Israel is America's greatest ally and the deaths of so many jews at the hands of America's germanic relatives is a massive tragedy, or Israel is not America's greatest ally and never was. Nothing changes because some other race becomes the target of genocide, because it's another race.

10 years ago this edgy but lighthearted thread would stay on the road and keep posting altered movie quotes implying it was the most antisemitic film ever made.

Genz of today literally turn it into a /pol/ thread. What happened to you guys?

>>215338785
I'm not that anon. I guess I should have added that. I'm not sure you'll care to provide a good faith response to what I said anyways.

>>215338806
10 years happened

>>215338797
In a manner of speaking, yes. That doesn't answer my question: Why should I believe the Talmud or the Torah over the Corpus Hermeticum?

Here's an ethical question.
Say there are two families living in a valley.
One family believes it to be the better more noble family, with the divine right to kill all the members of the other family. However, this family is also vicious, stupid, and incapable of providing for itself.
The other family is of more noble behavior. They don't believe themselves to be more noble or have more right than the other family to share the valley. They hunt and work the land and are capable of providing for themselves, but even beyond this, they provide food for the idiots of the valley.

Should the good family tolerate the existence of the bad?

>>215338806
Where are the gen z posters in this thread? Can you name them? Did you check their user profiles, faggot?

>>215338806
Gen Z do the most ironic shitposting online or they are the most serious posters and can't take a joke at all

>>215338806
Think about what year ended around this time ten years ago.

>>215338775
>>215338819
Why would I argue that you should believe things I revile?
I think you should denounce the Talmud and the Torah.

>>215338819
Idk I'm not the other guy

>>215338838
this post is needlessly cryptic, nobody knows what the fuck you mean

>>215338802
>implying America is the center of the world
Europeans should ask why they should care.
Anyone with the holocaust held over their heads should ask why they should care, if the jews don't care when the kill civilians in their own wars.

>>215338831
Why do you think this hypothetical dismisses the atrocities of the Jews in real life? Go even as far back as the Hyksos, and you were the retarded apes pushing others around and trying to infest a society that wasn't your own.

>>215338806
Life became unfunny.

>>215336251
indeed

>>215338851
Weaksauce bait

>>215338840
I already have, dumbass. All you had do say was that this was a misunderstanding. God damn you're just as retarded as the jew.

>>215338860
Read it again anon, it was a hypothetical directed at the jews in this thread.

>>215336273
pretty sure the solution has been found since forever, called gassing

>>215338885
No, I want you to denounce the Torah and the Talmud right now.

>>215338889
My apologies, anon. It's very late night/early morning

>>215338831
The "good" family in your case
>don't believe themselves to be more noble or have more right than the other family to share the valley
already answers your question. They don't have the capability to conceptualize that they shouldn't tolerate the existence of their neighbours. Without intervention, the question reduces to a single option, that they must remain tolerant because there is no alternative.

You should have raised the question whether it is right for anyone to intervene and ensure that the good family slays the bad one before they themselves are destroyed. That is an actual dilemma.

>>215338900
I denounce the Torah and the Talmud, as well as the Quran and the Old Testament. I only firmly follow the teachings of Christ and Hermes Trismegistus. Go fuck yourself, moron. You waste people's time.

>>215338903
>They don't have the capability to conceptualize that they shouldn't tolerate the existence of their neighbours.
Ah but they do. They are watching their foolish neighbers, and considering whether they should continue to tolerate them.

Why are hook noses so jealous of pretty noses people

>>215338917
Why wont you denounce the 3rd jewish book?

>>215338854
>Europeans should ask why they should care.
White Europeans are the same race as white Americans and part of western civilization. Muslim europeans obviously won't care, and leftists in Europe are race traitors either way so their position doesn't change because Israel went from simply opressing the Palestinians to outright exterminating them.

>>215338938
Why would I denounce the words of a kind, hard-working and honest man regardless of His creed? Need I remind you of the Pharisees and how they persecuted Him!

>>215338936
What more do they want

>>215338926
Then that isn't how you set up your ethical question. If you can't commit to a hypothetical, don't make one up.

I have a suspicion that the future of civilized society will be an alliance against prophets and their strange anti-social messages.

>>215338966
>What more do they want

Satan's chosen people want to destroy the world

>>215338971
That *is* the hypothetical question, dumbass.
Should the good family continue to tolerate the foolish family and provide for them, even though the fools wish death on their providers?

>>215338946
Well for one thing because we wouldn't be in this mess if everyone was just armed to the teeth and ready and willing to kill everyone else, contrary to his teachings and in accordance to the universal ethical laws of >>215338465

>>215338981
I think if this path is followed it will simply be used to further control, and will have nothing to do with whatever retarded magical fairy tale world you're thinking of right now.

>>215338987
Only the right wing ones, the left wing ones tried to negotiate for peace

>>215339005
That path is already having some success in modern China.

>>215339000
You are foolish, and I will not waste my time entertaining a conversation about whether anyone should take the life of another man.

>>215339014
Not that anon, but should anyone take the life of another man?

>>215339013
Yes, modern China. Now that's a famously free and honorable society, where you're allowed to research and worship what you want. Not just that! You can speak your mind, too.

>>215338994
You didn't say continue. You didn't even say they were reconsidering their beliefs. You explicitly said this good family don't believe themselves to be noble or have more right than the other family to share the valley.
Do you understand your error or did you say that as an emotionally manipulative but ultimately meaningless descriptor in order to waylay the conversation into a dishonest direction? Do you understand that is in and of itself unethical?

>>215339021
I sincerely object to all forms of murder, no matter the excuse or how abstract the scenario.

>>215337509
Because the same Jews were responsible for mass genocides across Europe in the 20th century and they're still at it today.
Without the Holocaust to hide behind people might have noticed what bloodthirsty psychotic fanatics they are and put a stop to their antics.

>>215339024
Of course China is not free.
But it is becoming extremely clear that the alternative is total chaos dictated by the insane whims of self proclaimed prophets.
I'm not even saying I *like* the idea, it's just that that seems like where things are heading.

>>215337509
>the current unjust war they are waging full of civilian casualties?

>>215339024
Freedom is innately unethical. Ethics is categorization of and the instrumentation of enforcement between right and wrong, by definition freedom is defiance against ethics. Liberalism is proof of that.

>>215339025
Do you understand yourself to be a disingenuous bitch?

>>215339063
This is a horrible attempt at convincing me of a false dichotomy.

>>215339070
Riddle me this, jew, if native Palestinians aren't worth caring about because of ugly wojaks, why should I care about jews who had ugly caricatures made of themselves in the 1940's?

>>215339071
Ethics are not transient or defined by those in power. They are defined by primordial moral knowledge gifted unto humankind by God.

>>215339072
No, because I know that I answered the question correctly and that you just moved the goalposts. I'm here to win internet arguments not coddle your poor ego.

>>215339078
You are doing a horrible job at pretending to be a gentile.

>>215339092
The gentile does not exist. There is ignorance and knowledge.

>>215339086
You are confusing ethics with spiritual truth and goodness. Jesus himself said render unto ceasar that which is ceasars, render that which is God's unto God. Ethics is very literally the domain of ceasar, not God, and whether it defines those in power or the other way around is a separate matter of debate.

>>215339086
In lieu of a present god to interpret "primordial ethics", we must turn to human interpreters.
Once a functional ethical system is established, it must defend itself from those who would upset it.
Hence, the world seems headed towards a secular/scientific morality, which will defend itself from prophets claiming to have messages from on high who might upset the good function of society.

>>215339117
You are confusing ethics as something separate from embodying spiritual truth and goodness. I need not read past that sentence.

>>215339116
>The gentile does not exist.
And neither does the jew.

>>215339125
You need no interpreter or teacher. You can sit alone and think, and you will come to know.

>>215336219 (OP)
>this many seething jews itt
kek

>>215339086
>moral knowledge gifted unto humankind by God.
This is heresy by the way, Adam took the fruit of knowledge against God's wishes. The knowledge of good and evil wasn't gifted.

>>215337472
Gish gallop
The fact is it would’ve been impossible and impractical to exterminate that many people using gas chambers… especially when they were in the middle of fighting a war on two fronts.

>>215339132
The jew is an ethnic race defined by genetic disparities, my friend. The world gentile is as meaningful as the word pagan. There is no one gentile race.

Goddamn I'm losing it, some of you guys are alright. Don't go to Tel Aviv tomorrow.

>>215339126
Fundamentalism is not a functional form of government and Jesus would be the first to tell you so.

>>215339137
Take it up with Christ

>>215339163
Is it fundamentalist to understand and embody what moral truths come naturally to every functioning mind?

>>215339135
No...
That's exactly why things are headed towards a rationalist/secularist/scientific group morality: set against *exactly* that kind of thing - that kind of personal conclusion about ethics and morality.
A schizophrenic can sit down, think he hears the voice of god telling him to commit some act that all others would consider evil - is he an instrument of divine will, or just a schizophrenic?
In the eyes of a civil society, his personal beliefs will have no weight against the established ethics of that society.

>>215336251

Not really

>>215339193
There are much less people diagnosed with schizophrenia than those who meditate.

>>215339151
The jews have gone to hell.

>>215339084
>native Palestinians

>>215339211
Tell me about those native Jews from Canaan again, too.

>>215339205
And contrary to your misplaced faith, personal meditation will not lead all mankind to functional ethics.

>>215339211
DNA tests show Palestinians have stronger ancient genetic links to the region than Israelis

>>215339211
>racism outside of /b/

>>215336251
funny how the turn tables
not that long ago being called an anti-Semite was worse than calling someone a nigger
black kings won

>>215339136
It's literally another holocaust

>>215339225
Ethics are nothing but basic moral goodness. Any other definition you wish to espouse is a lie, and I will not curb on that subject whatsoever. Any functioning mind can intuit basic moral goodness, and act based on those principles. Schizophrenics are not functioning minds. The fact that you need to provide dishonest hypotheticals is quite telling, regardless.

>>215339178
No, but it is fundamentalist to draw from this the conclusion that the material laws of man must embody those moral truths. Even in a homogenous society of same-minded moralists, the government will never be structured on the basis of spirituality because government is a form of man's force and power, while spirituality is explicitly not and cannot be forced. Jesus could understand and accept that the mortal realm of man's sin doesn't permit a world without man's government until it is replaced by the kingdom of Heaven, why can't you?

>>215339254
The functional society of the future will be guarded against people like (You).

>>215338257
The Jews were making up a story about six million twenty years before the Nazis ever came to power. The 6 million number comes from a Jewish prophecy about the Jews returning to Israel so they were desperate to make it fit into any real-life situation. For Jews, perception is the truth. If enough people believe that six million Jews died then the prophecy is fulfilled and God is satisfied.

>>215339268
I'm simply not going to bother reading this trite anymore. I have better things to do, like value my loved ones and praise the eternal Father.

>>215339290
Yea see you tomorrow, Jason.

>>215339193
Ultimately you are arguing against the possibility of individualism in the future. We know that things won't end up that way, and it's simply because there's always more greedy and self-centered people in power than those who want to embrace collective sollipsism. It's one of the only things Orwell got wrong.

>>215339299
Yes, it's fascism, and it's based, and it's coming, and you will live because you are my friend. Don't forget the playing card brother.

>>215339024
At least it isn't run by religious cultists who see their own population as an enemy that needs to be steadily destroyed with demographic, psychological and chemical warfare.

>>215336251
This but unironically

>>215339329
That's literally exactly what China is, you fucking dipshit

>>215339328
3 of clubs wasn't it?

>>215339254
>Ethics are nothing but basic moral goodness.
The fact that you can't even get this right just proves >>215339272 is stupid. There's no need to guard against people like you, because you're not intelligent enough to be a threat, and you haven't even the theory of mind to lead anyone along with your stupidity.

>>215339329
what the fuck are you talking about retard?

>>215339358
Yes, now delete.

>>215336219 (OP)
Okay well that would still be pretty bad

>>215339299
>Ultimately you are arguing against the possibility of individualism in the future.
No, that's not what I am arguing at all.
I am arguing that the functional governments and systems of Ethics of future society will guard against spirituality and "messages from the divine beyond" in all their forms that would try to upset the stability of the government.
Individuality would necessarily occur, as is the impulse of the human spirit, but our systems of ethics for global society will evolve against people who, say, believe they have a divine right to genocide their neighbors.

>>215339287
>If enough people believe that six million Jews died
They have a specific number for how many jews but don't have a specific number for how many people have to believe it? If six million jews were to die and nobody knew about it, YHVH will still not let them into Israel?

Funny how pretty much all the data on the sixmilliongorillion came from the Soviet Union and East Germany, guess what ethnic group was present in those governments?

Really makes you think...

>>215339486
Funny how it's not even true.

>>215339401
That's fine, but you're still stating the mechanism for maintaining this system is the collective. There is no way that a collective ethic can select against moral judgements driven by spirituality and not those driven by individualism. Just because I don't openly proclaim that I am the messenger of God doesn't mean that I don't believe I have an innate moral authority to pass judgement on others because of my internal human spirit telling me that X is Right and Y is Wrong, it just means that I'm slightly more functional. The consequences to what I want and can get people to do, or how I can impact culture, is roughly the same.

>>215336914
ok but he put the chrome on the benz

>>215336273
Go back to /pol/, poltard

>>215339500
>There is no way that a collective ethic can select against moral judgements driven by spirituality and not those driven by individualism.
There is no functional difference between an individualistic impulse against collective ethics and a spiritual one, so it doesn't matter.
The Ethics of the future will be guarded against people they have divine authority to commit crimes, just as much as it would be against people who do not claim such authority.

>>215339220
>Tell me about those native Jews from Canaan again, too.

>>215339537
>so it doesn't matter.
It matters because the people in power can live without spiritual impulses, but they can't live without individualistic ones. They have not "evolved" past this in the last 12 thousand years and won't for another 12 thousand unless very deliberately selected for it, which they are not. So they would never succesfully enact a system that would supress either, even if it could result in a permanently stable government.

>>215339622
The ethical systems we have in place, at least in the West, are (at least somewhat) designed to protect their citizens from tyranny.
Of course governments anywhere are exploited by the ambitious, but Ethics are not the individuals that practice them, they are an agreement between many individuals.
So no, I think society will, in order to survive, evolve into a system which guards itself from the impulses of individuals.
We already had this with the American revolution and the establishment of the American republic: astrologically it's only going to trend more towards that sort of thing, no matter how despotic Trump becomes in the moment.

even if it's 200 000 it's still a lot of people that human brain cant properly comprehand because our brain isnt equipped to deal with such huge numbers

I must clarify >>215339690
The ethical system of the future global society will guard itself against individuals that would threaten its stable existence: NOT against individuality per-se.
If it wasn't clear that this is what I was saying.

I'm not even arguing that this is a good thing, but that this is where things will go.

>>215339711
I can count to 200,000
But more importantly, why should I care?

>>215339711
Yes, because it's not real.

>>215339690
>So no, I think society will, in order to survive, evolve into a system which guards itself from the impulses of individuals.
Well that's just the same as invisible hand / historical materialism nonsense. Societies don't survive, and evolution doesn't create immortal beings. The American revolution was followed by the American civil war. The civilization of the modern West has only existed for 80 years and is already coming apart at the seams. The Romans thought they were past tyrants too, you know, and in their hubris their laws made a tyrant inevitable.

>>215339766
And yet the Empire never ended...

>>215339729
you can not care but I just find it weird when people throw this number like I suppose to go "oh, only 200 000? then nazis did nothing wrong"

>>215339716
>ethical system of the future global society will guard itself against individuals that would threaten its stable existence: NOT against individuality per-se
That's irregardless because the individuals who threaten the stable existence of a global society will always be the same individuals who are in control of that global society, and they do not guard against themselves. The evidence simply speaks against your theory.
>>215339782
Between then and now, count the number of years that mankind has generally lived under the rule of individuals and then count the number of years that mankind has lived under some attempts at group-checked government, which are even now blatantly compromised by the corruption, ambition and greed of small groups of tyrants who defy your vaunted precious western morals regardless.

>>215339435
In many countries, it's against the law to question any part of the Holocaust narrative. So in their minds, the official story is all that's required to fulfil the terms of the prophecy. Yahweh approves of it when the Jews lie to their enemies, murder them, enslave them and subvert their nations.

>>215339811
Personally, I find a lot about both world wars to be questionable. Why should we stop at Nazi wrongdoing?

>>215339894
Wow Yahweh sounds based, like his twin Allah.

>>215339340
>>215339365
Odd that the Chinese are raising living standards for the Chinese people while Western standards have been solidly in decline for decades. Odd that there are Chinese cities that look like cities of the future while Western cities are ethnic slums full of hostile foreign imports.
China is run by Evangelicals and Zionists now, is it?

Oh look ching chong chang chung joined, a bit late to the party though don't you think?

>>215339862
Greco-Roman ethics, which I would say are the beginnings of a functional secular ethic, have persisted in the world since their inception.

>>215339925
I'll say an American I do think China is on the right track.

>>215339924
Filthy brown, violent desert gods.

>>215339959
The aesthetics and trappings have persisted. Sometimes, the slogans come back. The ethics themselves have not. They appear either during very brief periods of prosperity or when a call to a specific kind of revolution is raised. At all other times, the last thousand years have been a chaotic exercise of might makes right, where the only constant has been that things are always changing.

>>215340015
As an Englishman, if I had to choose between living in an English or American city or living in a Chinese city I would pick Chinese. They don't let their criminals run riot or pander to violent foreign ideologies. They don't have a catch and release policy for psycho killers.

>>215340081
They get that way by not letting Englishmen live there unless they embrace the CCP in totality. You invite the perfidious anglo, you invite the jew and the pakijeet and the nigger along with him.

>>215340077
On some level I agree with you
And yet there is no potent alternative to democratic government.

>>215336914
>thinking it's normal
"Normal" is just what the majority of the people do you fucking boomer. If it's normalized then its normal

>>215340127
>there is no potent alternative to democratic government
That's neither here nor there, because as I'm making it clear, democratic government is impotent. It can neither silence the threat of fundamentalist zealots any more than it can stop the corruption in its own ranks.

>>215340106
That's fair.
If only we weren't ruled by religious cultist sociopaths we wouldn't be under constant psychological and physical attack in our own nations.