Thread 215386834

Surviving the apocalypse seems like a very retarded thing to me. Especially when it's a natural disaster like picrel.
All your family is likely already dead. Culture is dead. I've read somewhere that if we lost all the civilisation we have so far, it'd be impossible to restart because we've already mined out all the iron we needed to get to this point, so even if it's not a natural disaster and say, a zombie apocalypse, you'd still be screwed to never be anything more than a monkey.

What's the point of holding out hope in a clearly hopeless world?

I carry a photo of my dead daughter around everywhere. If the world ended, I would still go on for her.

Keep da fire burning

>>215386834 (OP)
>Surviving the apocalypse seems like a very retarded thing to me.
Yes, we know you have a double digit IQ, but why gloat about it?

The movie was very tame in comparison with the book. And senselessly hopeful.

>>215386852
>>215386863
For what purpose?

>>215386877
What else is there?

>>215386895
If the world has ended, and you know there is no hope, like the sun burning out for example, there is nothing. Truly.

>>215386908
I cant face the day without hope. I need to believe that things can get better

>>215386834 (OP)
>it'd be impossible to restart because we've already mined out all the iron we needed to get to this point
so just recycle the existing iron laying around? lmao

>>215386934
>I cant face the day without hope. I need to believe that things can get better
But I'm not talking about normal life. Stop trying to derail, basterd bitch. I'm talking about apocalyptic events, like Earth freezing over or global thermonuclear war that will fuck over EVERYTHING.

>>215386834 (OP)
Why not? See what happens.
It's not like you're meaningfully engaging with culture right now, and your family probably doesn't love you so idk maybe rope?

>>215386962
Well in The Road they do have a goal. They are heading south. Theres absolutely nothing that hints that going south will be any better but it MIGHT be and that is enough.

>>215386978
>It's not like you're meaningfully engaging with culture right now, and your family probably doesn't love you so idk maybe rope?
Sounds like projection lil sisa

>>215386834 (OP)
Start new family and create new culture.
If you see no point in living in postapo world, what is the point of living in the real world right now? Mindless consumption?

>>215387003
>Start new family and create new culture.
With what? You can't grow foods anymore, resources are either unusable or depleted, and everyone is dead.

>>215386991
>Theres absolutely nothing that hints that going south will be any better but it MIGHT be and that is enough.
I understand that. But what if, you know there's nothing that can fix? What then?

>>215386834 (OP)
Strong men have a natural survival instinct, it's innate in every living creature. In the case of this movie the man was defending his son. We've been hunting and surviving long before we even knew what iron was.

>>215387015
Youll never actually know if it is unfixable. Just keep going south it might be better south. If south runs out try going east

>>215386834 (OP)
Just surviving makes sense because the survival instinct is very strong in most animals. But making the conscious choice to have children during the apocalypse would be mega retarded.

>>215387022
>In the case of this movie the man was defending his son.
And what if you don't have children, and more importantly, CAN'T have children like in Children of Men for example? The world is fucked beyond repair and you don't even have a younger generation anymore that you'd need to protect and nurture anymore?

>>215387015
I'd reckon some other spark of hope would drive the remaining survivors, no matter how ridiculous it would seem; be it 'secret government holdup' or hell, extraterrestrials. Mankind is remarkable in its resilience to catastrophe.
Keep the fire burning.

On another note, I think The Road as a film is up there as one of the best adaptions of a book, but there a small differences. The final chapter of the book is solely about fishes in a stream iirc, with no indications of people whatsoever, which, to me, might be a reflection of earth without people in general. That is to say, even when we're gone, the earth will continue to spin, and we, as humans, have a really hard time reflecting on that fact.

>>215387057
You still don't understand my point, what if you're out of options? You went south, east, west, north, everywhere - what now?

>>215387060
yeah but what if there were infinite respawning robot ninjas in stealth mode lurking around and draugr and dragon priests roamed the land? what would be the point of surviving then?

>>215386834 (OP)
>What's the point of holding out hope in a clearly hopeless world?
Some people are just afraid to die.

>>215387090
Then you wouldn't survive for long, would you?

>>215387077
My point is you would never really know with certainty. You could presume 99.9% that you are totally fucked but even then theres still a chance.

There were mini ice ages and extinction events in early human history that would've put The Road to shame, on a long enough timeline the environment rebalances itself and so on, but all of that is academic
Bottom line is there are plenty of people alive today who would look at your life and ask why you bother getting out of bed and who mean it sincerely when they say if they woke up in your body tomorrow they'd jump off a fucking bridge asap, so why do you keep going? Whatever your life is would seem pointless and empty and utterly devoid of meaning to millions of people but you carry on because you just do, it's not something you think about and come to a logical measured conclusion on before deciding to continue
Charlize did the logic thing and chose the easy way out vs the likelihood of starvation or being raped and eaten, the dad just couldn't so he didn't

>>215386877
Same reason we climb the highest mountain or dive the deepest oceans or go to the moon, as JFK said, "not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills"

you are retarded

>>215386834 (OP)
You would do the exact same as today in the end, move your ass, eat, sleep and repeat. You are just depressed anon.

The road isn't that bad compared to other stuff earth has gone through. Sure it may suck for you and your next 400 generations but eventually earth will balance itself again

>>215386834 (OP)
You go to Hell(infinite suffering for eternity)if you commit suicide, so its better to endure moderate suffering till you either die from disease, starve or get your head bashed in by a cannibal.

>215387561
>215386875
Samefag

>>215386834 (OP)
Why didn't they just stay in the bunker? Years and years worth of food, but nah, let's just keep trudging along in the cold and rain and ash for no real reason. Take your chances wandering aimlessly in a world full of cannibals. Great idea. And they found it completely by chance, so it's doubtful someone else would come by it.

>>215386962
>basterd bitch
Saaaar

>>215387820
You would go insane of boredom living in a tiny bunker, plus where do you piss and shit all those years?

>>215388050
Cannibals would sniff you out in a heartbeat

>>215386834 (OP)
>Surviving
>>215386834 (OP)
>seems like a very retarded thing to me
Act yourself who the real retard is there you spinless poof.

>>215386834 (OP)
>nooo my computer
I hate zoomers so much

>>215386834 (OP)
>What's the point of holding out hope in a clearly hopeless world?
Nothing if you're alone.

If you have something to care for (like in The Road), obviously, you're clinging on to hope for them. In the book/movie, they do not know if there's something better out there, all you can do is hope and look.

>>215386834 (OP)
>impossible to restart because we've already mined out all the iron we needed to get to this point
Iron doesn't just disappear, we still have the same amount of iron on the planet as we ever did. It would be more accessible than ever surely.

>>215386834 (OP)
I honestly think it would be fun and wish it did happen as long as it wasn't too cold. The dad in the movie is barely layered up in clothing and only wears a hood from a hoodie not even a hat. The group they encounter in the beginning are just wearing light jackets and baseball caps.

>>215386834 (OP)
The most basic of human instincts isn't to recreate but to survive. There are numerous instances of clinically diagnosed suicidally depressed people saving themselves from burning buildings, sinking ships etc. In a scenario like The Road you won't just give up and lie down and die of hunger or exposure, your body won't let you.

>>215386834 (OP)
Did you even watch the movie? Because answering that question was kind of the whole point of the movie

>>215386877
No caveman ever asked himself that question, why should you?

I would be looking for big assed bitches to impregnate
>BUT BUT DON'T YOU REALIZE WE HAVE MINED ALL THE IRON!
Fucking kek don't care, as long as my dick is drained and my belly is full I could care less about le civilization, I don't wake up in the morning thinking about how le civilization can advance I care about myself

>>215386834 (OP)
The kid was too old in the movie. They never should have tried to film that.

>>215386834 (OP)
The audiobook is on youtube. It's so much better.

>>215388050
You just go out when you need to, at night if you are paranoid, and if you are spotted you abandon the place and that's it. Really any attempt at staying one more day was more intelligent than just leaving for no reason.

>>215386834 (OP)
It's ok that you feel that way anon, us cannnibals will appreciate your protein

>>215386834 (OP)
I gladly await the apocalypse. Sounds much more Kino than just wage slaving away at my desk job.

shut the fuck up you retarded jeet

>>215387066
At this rate, you're pretty soon going to move the goalpost to "what if you are the only nigga alive?"

>>215386852
Wouldn't it be nicer to have a photo of her alive?

>>215386863
>>215386895
This guy gets it

>>215387619
Also this.
>hurr durr muh apocalypse
All life is suffering. Everyday you get up it means struggling with what comes next. That doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy the beautiful moments that make life worth living.

>>215389201
LMAO you motherfucker

The apocalypse will be way better than life now because I'm going to find one of those thick killer robots

>>215386834 (OP)
Living creatures just want to continue to exist for no other reason than to exist, the natural state is just "survive at all costs" Its just how we are and why living creatures don't kill themselves, suicide goes against everything in our programing.
There are a lot of miserable people that hate their lives but still never kill themselves, very few manage to do it.

>>215386834 (OP)
My sole reason for struggling would be chance to kill you OP, you enormous faggot.

>>215386834 (OP)
They hated him because he spoke the truth

>>215386834 (OP)
One of the things that bother me about PA's is short-sighted opportunists like the smokers from Waterworld and the wolves from TWD. Move in. Kill everyone. Don't even take the women for breeding. Not only are they just asking for a genetic bottleneck but they're creating a state of diminishing returns. (as highlighted in Waterworld) The Saviors at least had the right idea, demanding ongoing tribute.

>>215386961
This. It's not going to all rust away to nothing overnight. Plus Bog Iron is a thing and regenerates over time.

>>215386834 (OP)
>What's the point of holding out hope in a clearly hopeless world?
Hopeless?
Can you imagine how fucking great it would be to start from scratch like cavemen but with the intelligence and knowledge of modern man?
You can fuck like monkeys but there's toilet paper. You can hunt animals with a sling shot instead of climbing trees and breaking your neck for two walnuts. You can domesticate animals and basically live like people lived 100 years ago in da woods like the /pol/ tradtists wish.
It would be peak humanity again since the disaster would most likely have put us back to sustainable population levels instead of this 10 billion Indian bullshit population.

>>215387003
>what is the point of living in the real world right now? Mindless consumption?
Comfort, safety, freedom as a consequence of those two. Yeah you can mindlessly consume (and I'd rather do that than scavenge through frozen trash for a can of beans) but you can also take up countless pursuits of self betterment or titillation for the price of wageslaving. Tasting the richness of what life has to offer is the only thing that makes the grind worth it. Having to grind just to survive is utterly meaningless.

>>215391085
>Plus Bog Iron is a thing and regenerates over time.
Hasn't one of those primitive technology guys over on youtube been trying to smelt bog iron into tools for like two years without success?

>>215391556
I thought animals all went extinct in The Road, plus all the trees died so no more toilet paper.

>>215389201
I kekked

>>215386834 (OP)
dying is scary and might hurt and if you fuck it up life will REALLY suck so you should just try your best but y'know, do yourself in if cannibals are about to rape and eat you of course

>>215386834 (OP)
The nature of the apocalypse is undefined the book and the movie. It has aspects of multiple natural disasters but we're not sure if there is a biblical aspect to it as well.

>>215392286
The joy is in primitive tools, if they get to the industrialization era they would gave to study engineering.

>>215387685
Maybe. Maybe not.

>>215386877
For Kino.

>>215392471
haven't read the book and been years since I've seen the movie but if that were the case humans would probably die loooooong before shit like insects, earth worms and all the fish. It's not like the humans in the Road all just subsist on other humans and even if, humanity would have been wiped out within a year or two.

Also saw plenty of fucking trees in the movie, they literally hike through the woods for like 80% of the runtime.

>>215386961
Don't tell him!

POPPA

>>215386834 (OP)
Any other kinos similar to the Road?!

>>215386834 (OP)
You're thinking of petroleum retard

>>215386834 (OP)
>I'm desperately looking to entertain imaginary scenarios where it'd be justifiable to kill myself
Says a lot more about your Psychology than anyone elses.

>>215387060
What's the point of surviving if Humanity dies with you? Someone has to carry things for you after you die.

>>215394724
You're projecting

>>215386834 (OP)
that's the point of the book/movie, the human will to struggle and survive against all odds, even when you don't want to and not giving up when it seems like the practical (only) option

>>215395081
forgot to mention carrying the fire

>>215387820
You use the bunker as a base.

You go out and forage and hunt for some sort of decent cart or trolley.

You go when you can take ALL the bunker food with you.

Also the longer you stay, the older the kid gets, and that is good. What is he now, 8? If you have somewhere safe to live for a year then why not? Maybe when he's 9 he won't be a useless whining little shit.

Every month older he gets is better for you. He has more strength, more endurance, more everything.

The only time you might want to hurry to get south (and find more people) is if your health (and/or his health) is deteriorating. But that's not the case I think

>>215394807
>What's the point of surviving if Humanity dies with you?
There is no point. But killing yourself is harder than surviving.

>>215395174
>>215387820
Didn't the father get sick and they had to move because of that?

>>215387685
Kys christboy faggot

Retards think that POSTAPO is like their favorite videogame. They would be the first to get cannibalized.

>>215395611
The father does get sick of course towards the end (and dies), and you see it's coming because he has a cough which gets worse, but I don't remember him being sick when they leave the bunker.

I just checked the book and you get this:—


How long can we stay here Papa?
Not long.
How long is that?
I dont know. Maybe one more day. Two.
Because it’s dangerous.
Yes.
Do you think they’ll find us?
No. They wont find us.
They might find us.
No they wont. They wont find us.


Not convincing to me but never mind.

>>215394664
six string samurai
turbo kid

>>215386834 (OP)
I would probably feel more alive in a world like that than I've ever felt in my entire life. Even if I die in a week it would be the most interesting week of my life. I would of course try to survive with renewed purpose. It's the modern world that feels pointless and hopeless. Just endless wageslaving, consuming, while everything deteriorates. Pointless.

>>215386834 (OP)
I think I'd enjoy it. Might not last long but it would be better than the boring, wagie slave world of today.

They should make a miniseries sequel where it turns out the boy was the father of a new civilisation arising from the ruins of the old, the Children of the Fire, who carry the fire of humanity's spirit in their hearts and refused to give up

>>215386834 (OP)
>no bicycles
>only food is other humans...but how do those other humans get food?
>no one just bands together and chills our or travels for better lands oregon trail style

this is objectively not how people behave during a massive disaster. its just niggers like with katrina and humans had no problem blowing their nigger heads off but still treating real people with respect and cooperating

>>215386834 (OP)
I mean the books says over and over the only reason h continues is because of his kid. Could you kill/doom your own child anon?

>>215397394
Its not a normal disaster, it doesnt follow the rules of a purely natural or human caused disaster

>>215386863
based
somebody has to be the good guy

>>215386852
You will be with her again

>>215397587

What the fuck even happened? A nuclear war? There's no more animals? fish? fucking mushrooms? nothing?

>>215386834 (OP)
Why not, ask yourself that and you will also understand why.

>>215386834 (OP)
Earth's history has seen many apocalypses. For example, the Toba eruption, which brought our species to the brink of extinction and likely led to the extinction of all Neanderthals. Those who survived the apocalypse multiplied, and now all humans on Earth are descendants of those 200,000 cavemen.
I intend to survive the apocalypse so that all future generations will be white.

>>215386834 (OP)
>"there'd be no more iron!"
My brother in christ I live next to a ore loading facility, trust me, in the dirt under where it's stored alone there are hundreds of tonnes of iron for whoever is so brave as to walk 10km with a bucket to get it. iron would be the least of our worries, it's water you'd be dying over.

I live to RAPE

>>215386834 (OP)
OP would basically be the wife that kills herself. Me? I'd be eaten by cannibals. No doubt.

>>215386834 (OP)
Cuckold weak mentality. Don't worry, pretty normal for a beta. I'd go on until the last second. Even if my parents were dead, and my brother... I'd just keep going, for them. If an asteroid was coming that would obliterate the planet with no chance of salvation I'd find a way to survive

>>215386834 (OP)
>What's the point of holding out hope in a clearly hopeless world?
i ask myself this every morning before going out of the house

>>215397989
The two leading theories are an asteroid strike or a traps volcano erupting

>>215398856
>The two leading theories
It's just a fucking book, nerd. There are no "theories", just retarded fan fiction.

>>215398586
>I intend to survive the apocalypse so that all future generations will be white.
Real white or American white?

>>215398881
epic

epic for the win

Most people in a terrible situation will eventually acclimate to it as their new normal. It's a normal coping mechanism.

>>215395174
roaming around the bunker increases the chance sometime will notice you
the father did the right thing you need to stay on the edge instead of stagnating

>>215386834 (OP)
Read the book

>>215386961
The dolphins are leaving....

>>215391556
>starves or dies after catching a cold
Wow. So peak.

>>215387066
We've literally figured out how to artificially generate gametes from stem cells, anon. The idea of an apocalypse based on sterility is going to be one of those things future audience will look at go "seriously? *this* was a thing they were worried about?"

>>215400333
>a big bomb blows up all the gamete clone factories
You're a fucking retard, most people don't even know how electricity works

>>215387820
I think it was several things: Fear of being discovered, fear of complacency, etc.

>>215391556
>You can domesticate animals
>gets eaten by a bear 5 minutes into the postapocalypse

>>215398586
>Those who survived the apocalypse multiplied, and now all humans on Earth are descendants of those 200,000 cavemen.
Was gonna post this same thig:
Imagine the many tena of thousands of years of humans in prehistory.. How many groups independently discover-invented fire, the wheel, simple tools and lost that knowledge, over and over?
They even got through Ice Ages

>>215397989
biblical.