Thread 215388571

>>215388571 (OP)
So if jews, Muslims and Christians all have the same prophets why do they all hate each other and hate themselves, jews dont eat pork just like Muslims, Jews and Christians have the sabbat, Arabic language is descended from jew languages e.g. Salaam = Shalom

>>215388571 (OP)
>story about someone refusing jews to fuck off

>>215388571 (OP)
>God asks Pharaoh to let his people go
>Pharaoh agrees
>This actually makes God angry and God hardens Pharaoh's heart so that he refuses
>God gets mad and kills every first born son for reasons and plagues an entire city of innocent common people

Wtf was his problem?

>>215388685
Everything about the old testament makes way more sense when you assume Yahweh is a woman.

>>215388571 (OP)
Stop blaming Jews for everything

What's with people's obsession for this movie nowadays?

>>215388685
to send a message

>>215388757
>Dick mutilation
>Unreasonable sacrifices
>Attentionwhoring
>Inability to deal with iron chariots
>Ability to turn staffs into snakes
>Needs own son to make up for it

Yea, the Demiurge is a she.

>>215388571 (OP)
Same animation crew as these movies

>>215388844
They really fell off, didn't they?

Not very smart of DreamWorks to release Prince of Egypt on the same day as this movie

>please go away jews
>........no

>>215389056
>The prospect of Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan once again falling in love proved more attractive than an animated retelling of Exodus, as Warner Bros.’ “You’ve Got Mail” prevailed over DreamWorks’ “The Prince of Egypt” during a generally lackluster pre-Christmas weekend. “Mail” delivered $18.7 million on 2,691 screens, while “Prince” commanded $14.3 million in an epic 3,118 screens, according to studio projections.

>zero archaeological evidence of jews wandering Sinai for 40 years
Really makes ya think

I'm more of a Shark Tale guy

>>215388600
The evil that men do has to turn everything into a means of dominating their brothers.

>>215388630
>NOOOOOOOOOO you can't go, I need you to build the pyramids. Everyone knows Jews are renowned for their physical labor

DreamWorks' first 10 animation movies. Chicken Run barely counts tho, since it was an Aardman production.

>>215389347
>Only the jewish slaves can build pyramids! Not the Canaanites, who I also enslaved! Not the Libyan slaves, or the Nubian prisoners of war, or the Asiatics or the Sea People who were routinely enslaved by me! Only the jewish slaves can build pyramids!

>>215388571 (OP)
>most famous story of their scripture is about them wanting to leave a host country
>spend their entire history doing everything but that

>>215389433
I WILL NOT LEEEET
YOOOOUUUR
PEEEEOO
PLLLLEEEEE
STAAAAAAAAAAAAY

x109

>>215389219
>LIVES ON AND OOOOON!~

>>215388600
Jews, Muslims and Christians follow 3 different prophets anon ...

>>215388571 (OP)
clap your hands
clap your hands

You’re messing with the big guys now

>>215388571 (OP)
>Judaism was only created a maximum of 250 years before Jesus existed
Why isn't this more widely known?

>>215388600
>Once I saw a man on a bridge about to jump
>"Don't do it!"
>"Nobody loves me."
>"God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
>"Yes."
>"Are you a Christian, Muslim, or Jewish?"
>"A Christian."
>"Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?"
>"Protestant."
>"Me, too! What denomination?"
>"Baptist."
>"Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"
>"Northern Baptist."
>"Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
>"Northern Conservative Baptist."
>"Wow! Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"
>"Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."
>"Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"
>"Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."
>"Then die, you damn heretic!" And I pushed him over

>>215389563
worst song by far

>>215388571 (OP)
>The insanely strong urge to hate fuck Zipporah throughout the whole movie

>>215389492
Christians technically have just one more prophet than jews and one less than muslims.

>>215389622
What about Joseph Smith?

>"What are you bitching about?"
I personally prefer the other DreamWorks movie from 98

>>215389686
The official stance of the Catholic Church, Orthodox sects and Protestant sects is that Mormons are not Christian

>>215389686
Mormons aren't even monotheists. They have less in common with christianity than muslims do.

>>215388600
Simple explanation:

Jews had a religion. Their conquest by the Romans caused internal politics to change up their clergy and teachings somewhat. Then Jesus came along and said he rejected the new Judaism and was actually their Messiah. New Jews rejected it and had the Romans execute him for threatening the clergy's power.
But then Jesus' (ethnically Jewish) cultists spent a couple centuries travelling the Roman empire and converting the elites into adopting their religion (OG Jewish religion, but with Jesus as the Messiah).
When Christianity became the most prominent religion in the middle east thanks to Roman adoption, Mohammad decided to come up with his own version (OG Jewish religion, Jesus is the Messiah, but Mohammed is even more special).

So as you can see, all these groups are just fighting over claim to the Jewish religion. Jews say their post-Roman conquest Judaism is the true faith, Christians claim OG Judaism with Jesus as the Messiah is true, and Muslims claim the OG Judaism with Jesus as the Messiah but Mohammad as the one true prophet is true. None of this would have happened if the Romans didn't make the mistake of conquering Jews.

>>215389832
Jewish religion changed already during babylonian exile by persian influence and in hellenistic era. OG jewish religion is just semitic paganism with Yahweh the thunder god as their tribal deity.

>>215388600
>So if jews, Muslims and Christians all have the same prophets
They don't ya fuckin cha-nerd

>>215389928
Judaism as we know it today didn't even exist until the Hasmonean period about 250 years before Christ archaeology records show things that are a core part of Judaism such as the mikvah(ritual pool) don't exist before then Yonatan Adler has done extensive archaeology research about this

>>215389832
Muslims don't belive Jesus is messiah just a prophet and Mohammad isn't more important he's just another more recent prophet.

0 archaeological evidence for jews in egypt

>>215388685
God uses mind control on the Egyptians again later to make them give silver to the Jews before they leave

>>215389420
No slaves worked on the pyramids, they were holy structures and working on one was considered a high honour.

>>215389812
>Mormons aren't even monotheists
What?

>>215390162
archeology is fucking retarded
>guy finds a spoon
>THIS WAS THE SPOON CULTURE FROM 743-632BC
what the fuck

>>215390233
Are you shitting on my comb-ceramic ancestors?

>>215388571 (OP)
>Jewish foundation story is subverting a host nation and getting expelled

>>215389299
the fuck, i never knew this one existed, i guess i will watch it tonight

>>215388600
>So if jews, Muslims and Christians all have the same prophets
They don't

>>215390233
Even papyri from Jewish sites like Elephantine shows the Exodus story didn't even exist yet and this is a couple of hundred years before Christ and the Jews still practice idolatry I mean the Tanakh is not even in order Genesis features the Philistines who came from Greece during the Iron Age then the next books talk about events during the Bronze age featuring the Babylonians the evidence clearly shows that current Judaism was created as a national religion during the Maccabean Revolt because the practices and stories don't exist before then

>>215390269
>The patriarch of the jewish people uses trickery and deception to undermine his father and steal his brother's birthright
A lot of the OT stories hit different when you're j-woke

How come Christians and jews never mention the fact that Moses was an incest baby?

DreamWorks' 2D division sure ended on a low note. It grossed 26 million domestically, got mixed to negative reviews, and wasn't submitted for the Best Animated Feature academy award

>>215388600
bruh even people in the same religion will murder each other and wage wars over slight dissagreements

>>215390223
Mormon god used to be a dude in some other universe who was rewarded with divinity for being a good mormon. And his god? Same deal. It's just God's all the way down. God also has an equaly divine wife.
Mormonism is just Nation of Islam for White people.

>>215389417
good, kino, alright, kino, shit
kino, shit, shit, kino, shit

>>215390223
In Mormonism you can become a God and rule your own planet

>>215389417
>Antz
Termite war was cool but a big eh
>Prince of Egypt
Certified kino
>The Road to El Dorado
Kino
>Chicken Run
Kino
>Joseph King of Dreams
Never saw it
>Shrek
Kino
>Spirit
Never saw it
>Sinbad
Eh
>Shrek 2
Certified kino and one of the best sequels ever made
>Shark Tale
Why does this exist

>>215390528
Jacob and was an incest baby too. Incest is just a theme in OT. Hell, Lot's daughters fuck him for NO REASON.

>>215388685
>God hardens Pharaoh's heart so that he refuses
This means that God made Pharaoh so enraged he couldn't admit that he was wrong, that's all.

>>215391104
>God mind-controlled Pharaoh
>this just means that God mind-controlled Pharaoh, that's all

>>215390945
>Lot's daughters fuck him for NO REASON.
Lot is said to be the ancestor of the enemies of the ancient Israelites. That story was written to shit on them, i.e.
>those people are so fucked up and retarded that they fuck their own daughters. they're all products of incest over there!

>>215391151
God's existence and miracles made pharaoh mad.

>>215388571 (OP)
It's insane how incredibly deformed and ugly characters in cartoons started to look around that time. It's fucking revolting.

>>215391175
Not what the text says, you also haven't in any way addressed >>215390182

>>215390923
>Shark Tale
>why does this exist?
They decided that "Will Smith voices a fish who becomes a celebrity known as The Sharkslayer after taking credit of killing the son of a shark mob boss" was a fun premise for a comedy

>>215391231
I see I have hardened your heart.

>>215388600
Mohamed already hated and murdered jews when he was still alive. It's hardcoded into the religion.

>>215388600
Christians don’t really have a beef with Muslims anymore.

>>215391481
I walked right into that one. I kneel.

>>215390959
>>215390824
That sounds less cucked that actual christianity

>>215390945
>Jacob was an incest baby too
What?

>>215388600
>thinking they all have the same prophets
Public education is failing society

>>215389433
Things really changed after 70 AD

>>215390150
>Mohammad isn't more important he's just another
>Must say PBUH after the name mohammad or risk damnation.

>>215388571 (OP)
no way fag

>>215388600
All same sandnigger origins. They fucking hate eachother in the desert.

>>215388600
islam is a dessert warlord cult and jews believe that god can't see if the sun is down and a metal line across new york will make god forget they are working.

>>215389417
Shrek Mogs everything else.

>>215389832
>Then Jesus came along and said he rejected the new Judaism and was actually their Messiah.
What was this “new Judism”? Jesus taught strict adherence to mosaic law.

>>215394452
>Jesus taught strict adherence to mosaic law... by not following the mosaic law

>>215394539
>Jesus taught strict adherence to mosaic law... by not following the mosaic law
An issue of interpretation, but my point still stands.

>>215390945
>NO REASON
> One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”

>>215394806
>interpretation
Bullshit. God killed people for doing shit in sabbath. Jesus was doing his own thing.

>>215395084
>Bullshit. God killed people for doing shit in sabbath. Jesus was doing his own thing.
Jesus thought healing didn’t count. I don’t know what else to say. He’s a hypocrite if you are correct.

So how many more 2D movies would've DreamWorks created if it wasn't for Shrek grossing 268 million domestically?

>>215395084
Jews killed people for doing shit on the Sabbath, Jesus said that was obviously not how it was supposed to work
>He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”
>Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

>>215394072
Abraham and Sarah were half-siblings. If Isaac was an incest baby, Jacob had to be pretty inbreed too.
>>215394840
>Katrina destroyed New Orleans? Well, I guess I have to rape my dad now

>>215394452
>Jesus taught strict adherence to mosaic law.
When?

>>215394452
Jesus directly contradicted Moses when he got asked about divorce. That was the one time where Jesus was actually more strict than the law, but still.
>“What did Moses command you?” he replied.
>They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.”
>“It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied.

>>215395265
>while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
>Then the LORD said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp"
God wasn't playing around.

>>215395753
Sounds to me like Moses and the congregation killed him

>>215395753
>>215395265
Jesus was allowed to do that because He is God. You should still keep it.

>>215395753
Damn that man should have had an iron chariot

>>215395753
I'm not sure what was going on with God during Numbers but he wasn't fucking around

>>215395753
That's what happens when you don't use the wire on a stick.

>>215395579
In Matthew. He doesn't in other gospels but what can you do.

>>215389580
The second temple was built 500 years before Jesus, does that not count as Judaism?

>>215396170
Jews were largely polytheistic until at least Hasmonean era. Judaism as something with antique continuity is just a piece of pious fiction.

>>215395775
no it was YHWH, it says so in the bible

>>215396317
The Judahites were Henotheists of Yahweh alone since the reign of Hezekiah

>>215395782
>because He is God
According to who?

>>215388600
>Jews and Christians have the sabbat
Christians don't observe the sabbath, that's a common misconception even among lots of Christians. The Sabbath is Saturday, but Christian's now observe The Lord's Day, which is on Sunday, because it's the day that Christ rose from the dead. The Sabbath rest day was fulfilled once and for all by Christ himself as he rested in the tomb on Holy Saturday.

>>215396732
>Henotheists
Okay you used an obscure uncommon term to describe their kind of polytheism. Good job.

>>215391587
>Christians don’t really have a beef with Muslims anymore.
Most Christians still, to this day, do not understand that Muslims worship the same God as them and even venerate Jesus. In the Middle Ages they just assumed Muslims were pagan, and these kind of misunderstandings have never really went away.

>>215396732
No actual proof of that. All that can be said is that he centralised cult activity in Jerusalem in line with overall centralisation of power. Politheistic practices were still attested by Hasmonean era.

>>215396742
According to Jesus himself. He testified in a religious court that he was the Messiah and the Son of God. Sure he didn't perform any miracles before the court, or produce any witnesses on his behalf, and one of his followers betrayed him to the court while the other denied him in front of it, but they should have believed him anyway because he said so.

>>215396933
>Muslims worship the same God as them
That claim needs qualification.
Muslims reject the Trinity, so just like the Jews the God that they worship is essentially an incomplete version of the true God.
It's like if we both say that Trump is our president, but you think that Trump is a reptilian extraterrestrial with telekinetic powers. We're sort of talking about the same guy, but we also aren't talking about the same guy.

>>215397037
Not all Christians accept the Trinity either, it's not required.

>>215396998
Jesus only attests his divinity in gospel of John too.

>>215397067
Yes, it is. It always has been, and your stupid cult doesn't change that fact.

>>215397037
The trinity was a later addition tho

>>215397037
Anon the trinity is not in the Bible. It’s shit made up by Catholics to reconcile the contradicts between Jesus, Old Testament god, and New Testament god.

>>215396317
>>215396954
I don't get why this seems to be a "gotcha" when that's what the OT is constantly about, Jews going away from worshiping Yahweh and then some prophet or judge comes and tries to get them back on track.
If the story of Moses is true then he would have been giving a religion to an already polytheistic people. Of course that continued throughout the OT. Where is the contradiction?

>>215397088
Reading John after the other three gospels really makes it feel like fanfiction

>>215397190
Because JHVH being one god among many doesn't quite track with the all-powerful creator of the universe God that most followers of the abrahamic religions believe in.

>>215397067
>>215397133
>>215397143
Not sure if Jews or Mormons, but you're all wrong.
Each person of the Trinity is explicitly called God: the Father (Phil. 1:2), the Son (Titus 2:13), and the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4). Also, Christ commands everyone to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Scripture makes it clear that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all God. And the writings of the early Church confirm that this is what Christians have always believed. The specific formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity developed because they had to figure out how to best describe this truth, but that doesn't mean the core belief wasn't there from the beginning.

>>215397263
That isn't the point. If the story of Moses is true then he IS the all-powerful creator God. Israelites constantly being polytheistic doesn't mean that isn't the case. Again, it's attested to time and again in the OT itself. You aren't really saying anything.

>>215397190
>Jews going away from worshiping Yahweh and then some prophet or judge comes and tries to get them back on track
That's the problem: they aren't "going away". They are practicing the same religion they always did while being unsucessfully pestered by a strange cult practiced pretty much only by a small upper class population in Jerusalem. It's like if mormons claimed that america time and time again "went away" from practicing mormonism.

>>215397291
Paul had no concept of the Trinity and didn’t believe Jesus was God.

>>215397301
He isn't described as being all-powerful in the OT. He gets defeated by iron chariots.

>>215397291
>Phil. 1:2
>Titus 2:13
Neither written by Paul.

>>215397343
Oh sure, again, the idea is that Moses and the later prophets were preaching monotheistic Judaism to an already polytheistic group of Israelites.
Not sure what the point really is. Again, OT already attests to this. Where did that strange cult come from according to you and why was it practiced by anyone in Israel?

>>215397348
Shut the actual fuck up.

>>215397375
>>Phil. 1:2
>>Titus 2:13
>Neither written by Paul.

>>215397391
Cope all you want, it’s obvious.

>>215397348
Paul's writings, particularly in 1 Corinthians 8:6, equate Jesus with the one God of Israel by applying the monotheistic "Shema" (Deut 6:4) to Jesus, stating, "for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist". This passage attributes to Jesus the same creative role ascribed to God, indicating a divine function. Similarly, Philippians 2:6–11 describes Jesus as preexistent, having the form of God, and being exalted to the point where "every knee should bow... and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father", a passage that directly echoes Isaiah 45:23, a text originally referring to Yahweh alone.

But yeah if you wanna just make up lies about the Apostles go for it.

Hey, did you know that Simon Peter went to mime school in France, and that Matthew was actually in an alt rock band?

>>215397301
>If the story of Moses is true then he IS the all-powerful creator God.
How do egyptian priest change their staffs into snakes? By the power of THEIR gods! Monotheism was an extremly late development for hebrew religion. When the story was writen Yahweh was just a tribal god.

>>215397452
>By the power of THEIR gods!
demons

>>215397407
It literally wasn't. Check some scholarship from the last 200 years. I bet your retarded ass thinks that Hebrews is pauline too.

>>215388571 (OP)
Go where?

>>215397485
>the trinity wasn't in the bible
>yes it was
>uhhhh doesn't count it was written later no i don't have proof and it isn't in the bible
tiring

>>215397447
You can say whatever you want about Paul without besmirching the Apostles because he wasn't an Apostle. He never knew Jesus in life and only met him once in death (allegedly).

>>215397485
>check some modern and postmodern scholarship done by jews and atheists
oh okay yeah that sounds like a good idea

>>215397482
>demons
Another thing that ancient israelites had a very different view than you might want them too. Idea of demons as fallen angels would be unheard of to israelites untill shortly before Jesus time.

>>215397447
Yes, he thought Jesus was a special boy, there is no doubt at that.

>>215397524
He literally described himself as "Apostle to the Gentiles"
You're a joke, buddy. You have no actual familiarity with what you're talking about, you're literally just regurgitating claims by jewish "scholars" you've read

>>215397528
>I'm going to ignore xix century german scholarship because it might distract me from slurping yummy jewish cum

It's sad how even /tv/ can make better threads about religion than /his/

>>215397596
Yeah Germany has a GREAT track record with getting Christianity right

>>215397609
I legitimately have no idea who even goes to that board anymore, it was interesting when it was first made but it quickly turned into a shithole

>>215397586
>He literally described himself as "Apostle to the Gentiles"
Despite Jesus sending rest of the apostles to the nations too?

Daily reminder that there is literally zero historical proof that the Jews were slaves in Egypt

>>215397635
>Paul wasn't an apostle
>He literally said that he was an apostle
>uhhhh weelllllllllllll ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ookkkkaaaayyyyyyyy butttttttttt SO WERE THE OTHER APOSTLES
wow ya got me there

>>215397586
>He literally described himself as "Apostle to the Gentiles"
By this logic you should belive in Joseph Smith because he described himself as a prophet

>>215388571 (OP)
>the movie
>their actual book
one is not like the other

>>215397669
You aren't talking to a single person, my brown friend.

>>215397675
>By this logic you should belive in Joseph Smith because he described himself as a prophet
By that logic, you should believe me when I say that I am the reincarnation of Joseph Smith and I'm confessing that I made up literally everything about Mormonism, it's all fake.

>>215397701
How does that change what you said being absolutely meaningless? Maybe you shouldn't butt into conversations you aren't a part of lmao

>>215397385
>Where did that strange cult come from according to you and why was it practiced by anyone in Israel?
Contact with Zoroastrians most likely. And Moses is extremly unlikely to even exist given the pretty strong physical evidence against exodus narrative. Worship of Yahweh alone has no evidence to even be a thing pre-exile and very scant evidence for until Hasmoneans.

>>215397669
>>He literally said that he was an apostle
Is that the standard? Can I just say I'm an apostle and it's now canon?

>>215397710
>it's all fake.
Like the exodus?

>>215397744
How can Paul be "apostle of the gentiles" when all of them are? What makes him different outside of not actualy ever meeting Jesus?

>>215397635
>>215397675
>>215397858
>these are the best arguments anti-Christs have to offer

>>215397912
This isn't an argument, am I to understand that this is your concession?

>>215397895
>not actualy ever meeting Jesus?
Read the entire Bible (cuz you clearly haven't) then get back to us

>>215397931
>you can't respond to non-arguments with a non-argument
prove it

>>215397912
You should calm yourself down, my ethnically diverse friend.

>>215388600
>Arabic language is descended from jew languages

No, both descended from aramaic

>>215397970
I guarantee that I am both whiter and calmer than you are

>>215397937
>i heard voice and had visions, guys!
>I swear it counts!

>>215388844
Fievel was amazing

>>215397937
He had a vision of him. He never met him in person. People who claim to have seen Jesus in a vision are a dime a dozen.

>>215397993
You are the one screaming in all caps. And no, philipinos aren't white.

>>215398054
>You are the one screaming in all caps.
I'm not, actually.
I know this might be difficult to wrap your small mind around, but you're actually conversing with several different people here.

>>215389832
>Jews had a religion

Jews are the religion. "Jews" is the name for the followers of judaism.

>>215390162
That's because jews are a religious group. They started as the followers of Akhenaton who tried to imolement monotheism. When he died, the clergy of egypt reestablished the traditional religion and persecuted his followers. That is why jewish mythology begins with the Exodus.

>>215398275
So jews didn't exist or were a small minority within Judea until around 2 century bc.

>>215397847
Moses was a prince/cleric in the court of Akhenaton

>>215398781
And your source is...

>>215397650
The old testament is a book of myths and legends that were loosely based on reality. The new testament is a book of myths and legends that are more down to earth.

>>215398322
Nice fanfic

>>215400284
It is actually historic fact

>>215388571 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JusQxiTXnE
They have to quit calling the Exodus pharaoh Rameses. It was Amenhotep II.

>>215398864
That's like asking for source for when Hitler became chancellor

>>215388600
its mostly since jews want to kill all goys, and muslims fallow the pedo lunatic that wanted to conquer the planet, so despite the same origins 2 of the branches want to kill everybody else