Thread 215392487

What the FUCK were they thinking?!

>>215392487 (OP)
What's wrong with that line? Poe and everyone else was thinking the same thing. They've been taught that Palpatine was destroyed by Darth Vader a long time before that.

>>215392487 (OP)
Don't know, but you can visually see a piece of Oscar's soul dying with that cringe.

All I remember is the move went through multiple reshoots because everything they produced was test-filmed as crap, so they basically said "fuck it,"strung together what they have as coherently as possible, shit the movie out, and got the pain over with.

>>215392542
Rian Johnson killed off what was supposed to be the final boss (Snoke) in TLJ just to (subvert expectations), so bringing Palpatine back and having Rey be his daughter was something they pulled out of their asses, and was fucking stupid.

>>215392487 (OP)
No big fan of Abrams but Rian had forced him into this mess with le subverted expectations killing off of Snoke. That dumbass move had left a narrative whole in the story, and a retcon resurrection was the only way to solve it.
Some popel try to say that Kylo shopuld have taken over the main villain role, but Johnson had fucked that up to by basically making Ren an ineffectual loser unless he was paired with the good guys.

What the FUCK were they thinking?!

>>215392487 (OP)
explain to me why that line is bad exactly
Poe doesn't know how Palpatine returned
what else could he have said?

What's wrong with that line? Weren't you there for the Fortnite event? Maybe that's why you felt a little lost, anon. But you can't deny they set it up brilliantly.

>>215392487 (OP)
ST>PT kek

>>215392721
https://youtu.be/4u0ejXC7kFs?si=hl1nA2qKrINbAOU3

>>215392686
Gandalf is the child of a mortal and an immortal, which is how he lived through multiple ages of men. When he "died" it essentially killed off his mortal half.

>>215392686
>resurrecting a hero: hopeful, Christ coded, good
>resurrecting a side character: kind pointless, lame, why.jpg
>resurrecting a bad guy: cynical, capeslop coded, bad

>>215392542
There was no lead up to it. Palpy suddenly became the trilogy's big villain out of nowhere

>>215392542
Because it was lazy to bring back the Emperor, and the line by itself seems to encapsulate that laziness. Kind of like if they wrote a line like, "aw shucks, I guess they made another Death Star." It doesn't matter if makes sense within the story.

>>215392487 (OP)
>You want us to adapt EU stories
>We'll fucking adapt EU stories

>>215392891
kek this. who are these retards whining baout the sequels while still shilling EU slop?

>>215392487 (OP)
>shallowest cherry picking of Expanded Universe
>zero input from George

They didn't understand the setups, and Spielberg's rentboy couldn't execute on mYsTeRy bOx bullshit either.

>>215392708
Throne Room events are privileged information. The Force may be known of across the galaxy, but force sensitivity to the point of telekinesis is rare-- most never saw a jedi in their lives. As far as anyone is concerned, The Emperor simply was not at Yavin IV and went into hiding, and everything to the contrary was Rebel propaganda.

>>215392891
>We dont want to adapt the EU, we want to create something new
>Proceeds to rip off the EU while making it 10x worse

>>215392542
The fact that no genuine explanation is given by the film beyond that, and a hobbit muttering a couple of theories. We don’t actually find out. He’s just back because they wanted to use him for film marketing. And it’s insulting seeing them try so little to justify it, never mind how much it damages the franchise

>>215392487 (OP)
They just stir up the slop and slap a big ladleful onto your plate. And you'll shut the fuck up and like it if you know what's good for you.

>>215392665
The end of Last Jedi sets Ren up as the big bad guy which at least would have been a bit different. Snoke was only there as a hollow surrogate Emperor figure and dispatching with him was one of the most creative choices made. Which naturally led to some people shitting their pants in childish rage

>>215392891
In the EU, the Emperor wasn't Palpatine, but was a clone that was groomed into being their re-created leader.

>>215392686
That was explained, he served a legitimate purpose in the plot, and the character was changed by what happened. Most importantly, it was something the author actually planned

>>215392487 (OP)
RLM still pretended they liked it. "It's fiiine" Unbelievable assholes.

>>215393037
Why does Europe get a different storyline?

>>215393037
that was literally the explanation in TLS

>>215393024
But then they needed to work to establish Ren as a genuine threat on his own. Instead TLJ shows him not being evil enough to kill Leia, getting bullied by both Snoke and Luke, and only effective when he's Rey's wingman

>>215392487 (OP)
Camrip version is funnier

>>215393124
He cut his master in half and took over

>>215393075
EU = expanded universe, a series of books in the 80s and 90s. The key books in this case are the "Heir to the Empire" books.

>>215393201
Only with Rey's help. Then she beat the shit out of him (again)
then he humiliated by Luke's (his original master) projection

>>215392649
It's not like Rian Johnson snuck that out on the studio. It's a big VFX shot, multiple people had to give the go ahead to produce it. Obviously Johnson has some responsibility but if they had no plan B they could've stopped him.

>>215393201
That and he casually swatted aside the only other person (Hux) who challenged him for the right to fill Snoke's vacant position

>>215392868
>Kind of like if they wrote a line like, "aw shucks, I guess they made another Death Star." It doesn't matter if makes sense within the story.
You mean the exact shit your lord and savior Lucas pulled out of his ass for RoJ?

>>215393024
>Which naturally led to some people shitting their pants in childish rage
Nobody actually says this you condescending fuck. You're putting words in other people's mouths because you know you can't address the actual criticisms of that awful flick

>>215393274
I don't like Return of the Jedi, but while it had a lot of bad dialogue, there was nothing along the lines of Somehow, the Death Star returned.

>>215393201
>>215393269
Hux was turned into a joke by Rian as well, and he also needed replacing with a more threatening figure in ROS.
Johnson just really does not understand how villains work.

>>215392822
>dead
*unalived
>resurrected
*reunalived

>>215392891
>EU has a perfect blueprint of what not to do
>do it anyway
Now that would be retarded enough, but doing it after you spent 6 years shilling how your story group will make new canon much better than the lame EU is unfathomably stupid.
The constant friendly fire this causes to this day, courtesy of filonifag, is a comedy that never gets old.

>>215393245
He didn’t do it with Rey’s help though. Watch the scene.

>>215393275
>Rian had forced him into this mess with le subverted expectations killing off of Snoke
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

>>215393337
The fact that the actor had to point out Hux's first reaction to seeing an unconscious kylo ren would be to pull out his pistol shows just how little he gets it.

>>215393419
NTA but that quote is me. How is calmly noting the flaws in a directors storytelling ability crying or shitting your pants? Do you feel upset because people are pointing out the obvious flaws in your midwit sequel slop?

>>215393587
I didn’t even claim to like the film, but acting like their only alternative going forward was to revive the Emperor without any actual explanation for it is utterly ridiculous. And people have been throwing tantrums about this for years.

>>215393201
The one time he took a swing at a prepared snoke he not only got promptly bitch slapped across a room, it was with such casual ease that snoke even did it with a trick shot.
It took a credulity breaking sucker punch to kill him, and in the ensuing brawl he had to get bailed out.

>>215393630
Killing off the main villain halfway through the trilogy fucked over the story, end of. It was either that or bring back Snope, or large parts of the last movie building up Ren up as a genuine and independent threat, which is whatJohnson should have done in his own movie

If you had to suddenly bring back Palpatine in the last movie, "Somehow Palpatine returned" is the best possible way to do it.

>>215393630
Their options for a third act villain were:
1) Kylo, who has spent most of his screentime as an impotent manchild and is still at 0:1 to Rey
2) A completely new character who would either have to be built up or swiped from the EU, but would come with the bonus of not yet having been emasculated
3) Palpatine, which would piss away both the OT and PT in exchange for a popular character and actor

They chose 3 simply because the ST was always about trying to supplant everything about the IP they didn't make.
2 would objectively been the best choice, but it's also one that would require a sincere effort to pull off so that was always off the table.

>>215393808
If that was the best way of doing it, it shouldn’t have been done

>>215392891
I would prefer if they adapted the EU straight up instead of throwing it into a blender along with their own foid garbage.

>>215392649
kylo ren was supposed to be the big bad. i pity your media literacy if you dont understand that. but i guess people like you get so upset about having your expectations subverted because your usual predictable children's media like marvel movies is all you can handle

>>215392487 (OP)
if emperor revealed he was alive, civil war would break out instantly as people would just know these rebel fuck faces that have been shown to be corrupt and incompetent in disney streaming shows would be viewed as evil occupiers. most would want the old empire back. the new, inferior and economic downturn with high crime and instability for past 20 years would be viewed as hell. when its revealed he has a fucking fleat of death star star destroyers, like 90% would instantly join him. he wouldnt fight anyone. he would be emperor instantly with fucking parades and people partying in the streets.

>>215393694
Not one red guard does anything competent

>>215394610
Next time either use big bad or media literacy, not both.

>>215394610
kylo got his ass handed to him by an untrained girl and storm trooper, both with no force powers to speak of at the time and untrained in any jedi combat. he was like kang losing to loki and some ants and a complete joke we were supposed to take seriously. impossible to be big bad or threat after the shit kicking either took in their first appearances.

>>215392487 (OP)
Palpatine was cloned, it's literally said in the next scene and the lab is showed at the start of the movie.
>>215392542
People who post this meme didn't watch the movie, they just saw a random review on YouTube.

>>215393247
>Obviously Johnson has some responsibility but if they had no plan B they could've stopped him
anon they didn't even have a plan a
by the time johnson was filming colin trevorrow's episode 9 had been ditched and they were shucking to get jj back

>>215393275
>he says, shitting his pants in rage

>>215394610
>heh whats wrong kid, your expectations got SUBVERTED??
>tv tropes buzzwords
>media literacy
How much midwit energy can you cram into one post?

>>215392487 (OP)
Oscar Isaac used to be a real cool dude. Then he said this line.

>>215395038
Which is my point. I'm not a fan of TLJ but putting the entire burden of it on Rian Johnson is idiotic. The entire Disney corporation was asleep at the wheel.

>>215392487 (OP)
>This is what Mike Stoklasa wants.

>>215395614
Nobody puts the whole burden on Johnson. The sequels ruined JJ's career after the being the hottest director in hollywood for years

What the FUCK were they thinking?!

>>215395832
>we have more Ralph McQuarrie paintings we need to copy! Quick, write a flashy scene that breaks the logic of spacetravel!

>>215395897
This was a cool visual imo, too bad they didn't do anything to make that battle on top of the star destroyer feel like it had any stakes or dramatic tension. It's just "and this happened too"

>>215392649
ho was supposed to be the main antagonist of the trilogy anyway if not Snoke?

>>215395897
Why would stormtroopers even land on the side of the ship as well and get off to engage with them by hand and not just continually fly over and shoot at them?

>>215395897
this webm saved me from wasting any time on this woke wahmen slop

I don't the line that he somehow returned is even the bad part. The whole "it doesn't matter how" shit is infuriating. Like, maybe try to learn why this stupid wizard shit keeps happening? How could the people of this universe be this way?

>>215396263
Maybe they didn't want bigger guns firing at their own ship and taking out turrets or blasting holes in it

>>215396302
Secrets only a sith could know

>>215393057
>OH NO WE CANT STOP THE EVIL LORD
>*god casually resurrects whoever he wants*
Why doesnt lotr god just make sauron stop existing?

>>215393275
Disney's profit from Star Wars plummeted from half a billie for Ep VII to $50 million for Ep IX. Mostly thanks to Rian Johnson subverting expectations.

>>215395897
Zoomers grew up with this and consider it the greatest battle in science fiction btw

>>215396408
I refuse to believe that. I thought the majority of people that watched ep 9 were older men.

>>215392487 (OP)
they needed the main big bad to return so Mary Ray Sue could beat him.

Did anybody even know who Palpatine was? I got the implication that the Empire was dictated by an unknown entity, or that by that point in time it didn't even have a ruler and was acting autonomously. I swear nobody in the Rebellion even mentions this nigga, let alone his name.

>>215392487 (OP)
https://apnews.com/article/adam-driver-star-wars-soderbergh-jarmusch-4e08164d0419759f1b5b50d69864975d

>Driver says he took a concept to Soderbergh for a film that would take place after 2019’s “The Rise of Skywalker.” That movie culminated in Ren’s redemption and apparent death. Driver had undertaken the trilogy with an arc in mind for Ren that inverted the journey of Darth Vader. As the trilogy evolved, it didn’t play out that way. Driver felt there was unfinished business for Kylo Ren, or as he was known before turning to the Dark Side, Ben Solo.

Soderbergh and Rebecca Blunt outlined a story that the group then pitched to Kennedy, Lucasfilm vice president Cary Beck and Lucasfilm chief creative officer Dave Filoni. They were interested, so the filmmakers then pulled in Scott Z. Burns to write a script. Driver calls the result “one of the coolest (expletive) scripts I had ever been a part of.”

>“We presented the script to Lucasfilm. They loved the idea. They totally understood our angle and why we were doing it,” Driver says. “We took it to Bob Iger and Alan Bergman and they said no. They didn’t see how Ben Solo was alive. And that was that.”

>“It was called ‘The Hunt for Ben Solo’ and it was really cool,” adds Driver. “But it is no more, so I can finally talk about it.”

Somehow, Kylo Ren hasn't returned

>>215393167
>I'm sorry, what was the line?
>"Somehow, Palpatine returned..."
>Someh... What do you mean?
>"AAAAAAND, ACTION!"

>>215396408
Zoomers couldn't give less of a shit about star wars.

>>215392487 (OP)
Fun fact - he was not acting in this scene

>>215395780
>Nobody puts the whole burden on Johnson.
See >>215396392
These people think Rian just used all rje money and finished the movie before any execs or anyone else got a chance to stop him.

>>215396786
>Nobody puts the whole burden on Johnson.
That's true. Which I wrote mostly, retard.

>>215396525
The senate didn't get dissolved until the start of A New Hope, the empire had continuity with the republic. I don't think it would have been secret knowledge that the emperor used to be the chancellor.

>>215396894
It is in no way mostly because there's no way he made the decisions in the movie unchecked, mongoloid. Producers and studio execs check and approve where the money goes, they don't just let you run with it and do whatever you want.

>>215396912
I played a star wars tabletop rpg and one of the players was a clone trooper who was frozen until episode 6. He refused to believe that chancellor palpatine and emperor palpatine were the same person

>>215393057
>he served a legitimate purpose in the plot
Yeah being the Deus Ex Machina for every battle

>>215396912
Sure, but would they know the whole story? Like that he's a Sith Lord and Order 66 and the Clone Wars and so on. I mean, that's why he lies about the Jedi trying to take over, and frames all that shit so that the formation of the Empire looked legitimate. Sort of.
Kinda just assumed the Rebellion began because the Empire were tyrannical assholes, not because there was some shadow government demon sorcerer behind it all. But then in Rise of Skywalker you got the nu-Rebellion acting like Palpatine was the enemy all along, when nobody ever cared or mentioned him before.

>>215397077
>Shadow government
He's the emperor. The official head of government of a state called the Empire. He doesn't have a secret identity or anything. Previously, he was also the supreme chancellor of the Republic. He was about as far from the shadow government as it gets.

>>215397077
They mentioned "the emperor" in the original trilogy because the character didn't need a name, he was the ultimate evil to be overcome and that's it. I imagine the name Palpatine just appears in toys or side material around the time of ROTJ. it's obviously a retcon, but it wouldn't make sense for the new rebels not to know who he was.

>>215392574
Then he’s a shit actor, his job is to do the director’s bidding not show his opinion, same with ooga booga boyega, stupid cunts.

I wonder, did Leia ever meet Sheev in person when she was a senator

>>215392960
>"Join me. Together we can save the galaxy."
>"No."
truly some of the dialogue of all time

>>215396408
>Zoomers grew up with this
bull
shit

>>215397250
Impossible to tell. Nothing would prevent the Emperor from showing up at the Senate, but at the same time nothing compells him to do it either. Leia might ve just known him from holograms.

>>215392891
>>We'll fucking adapt EU stories
in the gayest way EVAR

>>215393694
>>215394690
my favorite is the guy who starts a hundred feet away on the right and has to run like he's late for class

>>215393075
>Europe get a different
because we get ALL your retard shit

>>215395832
ties cant lightspeed this is bullshit

>>215397493
Really? An X-wing can go 8nto lightspeed but a Tie-fighter can't?

>>215397535
X-wings have hyperdrives. TIEs don't.

>>215397535
Xwings have a lot of junk behind the cockpit, I can believe it. Ties are just cockpits with wings, designed to be cheap and plenty

SAY IT

>Fortnite event revealing Palpatine is back
>SOMEHOW being the most flimsy excuse ever
>entire exogol planet had the people brainwashed into being obedient little workers building ships and defenses which is never explained once and only told from a twitter post
>magic dagger bullshit showing the remains of the 2nd death star which is somehow still intact on a planet with storms and not eroded at all throughout the years
>Ben forgiving himself for murdering his dad because Han wasn't a force ghost and instead just a manifestation of his own mind
>Palpatine's plan was what exactly?
>have Rey destroy him so he could take over her body?
>uses force lightning and for some reason is surprised when she's reflecting it back and killing him
>I AM ALL THE SITH
>I AM ALL THE JEDI
>Reylo kiss for the shippers
>Rey Skywalker is a fucking insult
What a terrible, terrible movie.

>>215397851
>>magic dagger bullshit showing the remains of the 2nd death star which is somehow still intact on a planet with storms and not eroded at all throughout the years
This takes the cake as the most nonsensical bullshit in the series. It was straight out of a different IP like Indiana Jones or Tomb Raider and had nothing to do with Star Wars.

>>215396408
It’s six years old anon

>>215393630
>i dont even like this movie but i will sacrifice my life and limb to defend it from any and all criticism

Doing a soft reboot of A New Hope for the first movie was a mistake in hindsight. You end up setting up a story that has already been done and it is difficult to remove yourself from those rails when you set upon that track.

>>215398243
I disagree. TFA was successful. Its the next 2 movies that fucked it up.

>>215398349
Financially it makes sense. You bought the IP for a huge amount and want a safe bet. The problem is you are setting up a triology that has already been made. They backed themselves into a corner.

>>215397920
>Death Star II blew up over Endor's moon
>somehow ends up on a completely different planet

>>215392487 (OP)
"somehow", somehow is great news for us Disneyi™ StarWars® fans, because, we'll get to see how palpatine survived and how he returned to where he is now.
I'm thinking a new trilogy??we can only hope.

Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew

>>215398243
>>215398406
But TLJ did the exact opposite of what you said and is what destroyed everything

>>215398462
I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than having a clone.

>>215392793
Gandalf is an angel you stupid fuck.

>>215398516
Nope he's a wizard
Try watching the movie? Retard

>>215398541
Try reading the fucking books moron.

>>215398483
I was typing my reply and remembered i actually didnt watch any of these movies so i am going to stop posting

>>215392487 (OP)
>Star Wars is what caused Oscar Isaac's grey hard and aging like 20 years (he's 46 btw)

man that Star Wars curse is real

>>215397535
Obi-Wan points out that TIE fighters don't have hyperdrives in the OT. In a New Hope. When they first see the death star.

This scene was 10 times better than anything in the ST

>>215398077
Didn’t do that though, there are plenty of valid criticisms to be had. But blaming it for a dumbass decision made in a different film is just silly

No one's ever really gone

>>215392891

I think Prime Luke vs Prime Palpatine is cool but I'm not sure if Palpatine clone is good idea since it undoes Vader's sacrifice.

>>215398787
>that pic

>>215392487 (OP)
>What the FUCK were they thinking?!

They weren't

>>215392487 (OP)
The problem is they weren't. I'll demonstrate exactly how little mental effort is required:

Give me a three movie outline of where Star Wars should go after the OT. You have $0, until this thread reaches page 10, (that you wont need), and 2000 characters max, (that you wont need). Go!

After that, imagine I give you a bajillion dollars, all the resources of Disney at your disposal, and a year minimum. Now give it another pass or two. Go!

You don't need to actually do it, you just know you easily could do much better in both cases, right?

>>215394610
8/8 b8

>>215392960
Aside from the name, what's wrong with Luuke?

>>215392487 (OP)
Recommend me good starwars media. Games, books, doesn't matter