Thread 215467384

Guillermo del Toro slams AI, says he would rather die than use it

>>215467384 (OP)
Wow, such bravery. The film industry is truly saved now that this beaner has come out against AI.

Makes sense. Making art is fun, the process and "hard work" are the whole point. For an actual artist, being able to conjure up the final product from nothing doesn't sound appealing. I wouldn't expect this board to understand.

Whether it makes you uncompetitive in the market is a different story.

>>215467412
it's just a quote anon

Nightmare alley is his best ending

>>215467455
That’s basically my view. I’m not an artist, but I like writing. Having AI do it for me would defeat the purpose.

At least he has a leg to stand on with the statement since he believes in practical effects.

Then go old man. By all means leave.

He is too old to learn new things and he is already rich. It's whaat I'd say too id i were old and rich

This fat retard hasn't done anything to be worth listening to. Pans labyrinth was 30 fucking years ago and he's done jack shit since

>>215467455
I think you underestimate how good the human mind can get at something. AI will take over the slop market where the majority talentless slop drones slop out their slop for slop pigs. But not everyone eats factory-made TV dinners every night.

he doesnt need it, he can hire a whole bunch of people of great talent to help him realize anything. does he think that everybody can do that? snob

>>215467455
dream:
>In the future, AI will do all the grunt work nobody wants to do and leave humans free to pursue art!
reality:
>AI will steal art from you and leave you to do the grunt work nobody wants to do
kill me, I hate this hell world

>>215467412
Hello sar

>>215467648
Pacific Rim is a certified tv classic. We all love it. Hell even v and pol like it because it does wmaf. Pinnicoho was also animation kino that actually made a stand against fascism and its hold on youth. Nightmare Alley was good, but could have been better. It had the superior ending but pales in comparison to the original

the faggot commie is right

>>215467384 (OP)
He's right only Jeets and Boomers like Ai

>>215467511
>>215467512
>>215467603

>>215467750
>Pinnicoho

>>215467455
Beaner fat has more integrity than the whites

>>215467384 (OP)
cool can't wait for his next super original movie about how heckin evil le fascists were

>>215467384 (OP)
why watch something that no artist could be bothered to create?

>>215467384 (OP)
why the hope

>>215467384 (OP)

When I use AI, I just ask it questions. I don't ask it to make movies scenes or art like drawings or painting. I just asked AI about the Crossed virus a while ago and ways to survive the Crossed plague.

>>215467455
I exclusively use AI to make pictures of my specific niche fetish. Everything else, including conversation, feels hollow. I can't imagine how low IQ you'd have to be to find AI providing anything of sustenance.

AI is a self fellating sham

It's just another tool in the artists toolbox, all they're doing cutting they're nose face to despite their face.

>>215467384 (OP)
Anyone with talent refuses to use AI. You can tell that people using AI just want that instant gratification and recognition.
I'm a writer for a living and it's quite funny to see that I'm still finding work and the biggest thing that my publisher tells me, "Talent will trump AI till all the talented people are dead."
I gave her a hug and made the joke about paying her more. She is paid on commission so she said, "Sell more books."

Also prove me wrong. It's only 4chan and no point in bragging, but provide me with proof. If there is any.

>>215467859
isn't a man, is a creature and is genderless, why is he assuming it is a man? just because it doesn't have tits?

>>215467648
hellboy 2?!?!?!?!?

>>215468429
To add to my own post: A lot of films probably won't use AI, it will likely scale like Blockbusters a lot of the time, unless a director has an idea to really push the medium. And you won't get that unless directors and creators pick and choose new material and technology, as both go hand in hand in my opinion.

You won't see a proper Tzeentian story without it, for example, even if it's overlaid on puppets or something, for example.

Or find a way to bring many previously unadaptable books to the screen.

>>215468870
To add to your post. They actually allow AI submissions in Film school. It cannot be of a real medium, such as claymation, stop motion, or CGI. If the entire creation is animated, with no hand drawn input, then you can submit an AI project for an assignment. So far, no one in my school at least, has passed doing this. One day maybe, but as of 2025 still none.

>>215468976
>>215468976
A shame, but not unexpected.

>>215467859
But he has no nose?

>>215467384 (OP)
>I'll never use a computer I'm too old
That's what he's saying. my grandad thought the same way.
The reality was it scared and confused him and made him angry that he couldn't understand it.

>>215467384 (OP)
So he won't use AI that steals other people's art but will just steal dead author's stories instead, got it.

>>215469344
A tool is only as good as the person using it. If one day AI can generate something amazing, the person making it still has to credit the AI creator, which has always been a big laugh to me.
Image having to say what power tools were used when building something. You'll always be a joke in the Art Community if you use AI

>>215468323
Wow, this is probably the real take on creating anything with AI. Only appeals to what you enjoy and anything out of that, it doesn't create anything worth while.
You are not the only one that believes AI...anything, feels hollow.

>>215468323
>>215469560
Can't wait until chuds like you get made into human batteries

>>215469420
Aside from Indians AI mostly appeals to boomers who never learned to use search engines correctly, thougheverbeit.

>>215467455
What matters is the final result for the audience. AI will allow the same results for a lower price and less time.

>>215469446
>the person making it still has to credit the AI creator
Or else what?

>>215469420
Old farts used to cry about CGi too.
>>215469622
Everyone uses AI except boomers.

>>215469575
lol you have zero skill. you will be discarded like the trash you are soon when AI gets cooking

>>215469811
>Everyone uses AI except boomers.
And chuddites

>>215467384 (OP)
This is the guy who directed the first Pacific Rim so I'm obligated to respect his opinion.

>>215469811
>Old farts used to cry about CGi too
I still cry about CGI

>>215467384 (OP)
Guillermo del Toro’s only 61? Shit he looks like he’s in his late 70s. He’s gotta take better care of himself.

>>215467384 (OP)
>Guillermo del Toro
His latest slop just looks like AI.

>>215467384 (OP)
that's great if you're a millionaire and who can make a studio fund your vision.

All his movies have the most obvious "shot on a set" look I've seen in such otherwise highly praised productions. His attention to detail amount so "yeah that looks like sciency shit" which is the same process that people say makes AI art shallow.

He is a good director but his process of work is how people use AI: say "I like this" or "I don't like this" and wait for a team of anonymous workers produce something for you. Before AI, only rich directors had access to a team of diligent workers who could produce your vision, but with AI, literally anyone can do it. AI is a democratizing technology that gives average and poor people the auterial power of a director

>>215467455
And yet in the future, nobody will give a shit and will likely think either A: they used AI to make their movie or B: how shitty and primitive it looks compared to what they have now.

In 20-50 years, nobody will give a fuck

>>215467384 (OP)
>actual quote
>MSM propaganda headline
If you get information from the corporate media please blow your fucking head off.

>>215471481
He literally says he’d rather die in the interview

>>215467384 (OP)
>slams

>>215467384 (OP)
Also Guillermo uses fucking lots of inspiration in his movies of other works like the spirit of the beehive, yeah its stealing when ai does it and inspiration when humans do it, https://youtu.be/coGpmA4saEk?si=PAagWUtuCADZSgt9

>>215471543
>"the people who shape art and culture"
>not a single soul below retirement age
This both a indictment of your multifaceted retardation and profound isolation and the cultural stagnation we find ourselves in the midst of

>>215467384 (OP)
>would rather die than use it
NO HE DOESN'T! Learn to read, moron. He's says he hopes he'll stay uninterested in AI UNTIL he dies, NOT that he'll RATHER die. Fucking idiots.

>>215467724
For what is worth, they're trying to kill grunt work too - from blue collars to white collars.
I honestly don't know what we are going to do in the future.

>>215472254
Dumbass

>>215467384 (OP)
Wow, what a fucking hero. I bet they'll write folk songs about what a fucking legend he was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL--JwRsGY8

bbl I have to go down to the stream and wash my clothes by bashing them with a rock.

>>215467384 (OP)
Based and A.I pilled

>>215472247
yea and if i showed you a group of younger artists youd say 'who lmao?'

their age gives them the wisdom to see the use of AI without fear of reprisal from their groupthink peers, zoomzoom

>>215467384 (OP)
>Guillermo del Toro slams AI, says he would rather die than use it
Based Mexibro.

>>215471445
>everyone will be a tasteless retard just like me in the future
lol no you'll still be a tasteless retard

>>215467384 (OP)
based. Fuck the clankers and their corrupt oligarch overlords.

>>215467384 (OP)
>says "I'd rather die"
he never said that, though. god, I hate millennials so much it's surreal.

>>215467384 (OP)
who cares the dude cant make a good movie to safe his life the last ok one was pans labyrinth after that he got exposed as hack

>>215473184
>>215472344

>>215467384 (OP)
He will change his mind.

>>215469644
I think you proved it though. The AI had to be programmed with this type of art style. If Eiichiro Oda never created this art and style, the AI couldn't generate it.
AI will never trump creativity.

>>215469756
You can get sued and taken to court. Imagine if a game using any game engine omitted using that game engine. It gets taken off the market and the person, usual, never makes a product again.

>>215467859
>white man bad
leftoids are just more resource heavy and lower creativity AI units.

>>215469811
Name any artist, making more than 10$ a year that uses AI.

>>215473283
>You can get sued and taken to court
Sauce on your imaginary scenario?

>>215471417
You don't know how AI works. Who programmed it and what are are you stealing to generate the AI you want?
I feel like anyone who thinks AI is the future is living in an imaginary world. AI is a tool, that is all. When AI becomes real Artificial Intelligence, which can think on it's own, this generated crap won't even be considered AI anymore.

Maybe they're saying it just for propaganda to look good, but jobs will be lost in the end.

Hollywood has to hate AI because they spend insane amounts of money on movies like Planet of the Apes, where they need realistic CGI monkeys. But in 3 to 8 years, people might be able to generate perfect CGI like that without hiring tons of VFX artists.

You could even make full movies without writers, and maybe not even actors, just using AI. It would be way cheaper, and if done right, people might still enjoy it.

AI isn’t going to stay at the level it’s at now. It’ll keep improving. Right now, it struggles to keep a character’s face consistent for more than 10–30 seconds, but that’ll get fixed over time.

Eventually, it might get so good that paying real actors won’t even make sense anymore, unless you're just licensing their image, since people might still want to see familiar faces.

The real issue is that AI can create the “perfect” character, ideal body, ideal face, but they’re not real people. You won’t form that same connection like you do with an actor who changes over time.

Like someone who’s skinny and young in one movie, then a jacked 70-year-old in another. That human progression just can’t be faked the same way.

>>215472179
You just proved the point. AI is stealing, while you know the inspiration the movie came from. Image taking credit for AI generated work and then going, "Yup, that was all me. A hur dur, AI wasn't trained on anything. All my inspiration and creation. Hur dur just needed AI to make it into what I wanted. I didn't take or use an AI trained on other peoples work. Nope dup, all me."

>>215472254
Don't argue with them. It's 4chan. Just say your piece and go. It's not like anyone on here would brag about winning an argument on 4chan. If they do I guarantee it's to their goldfish or something.

>>215467859
He's gone on record saying that the pale man represents his own fat rolls and shame.

>>215473385
He’s just wrong tho. Thats literally what del Toro said. There’s nothing to argue about.

MORE LIKE GIARDIA DEL HOMO

>>215467648
he’s one of those guys that people pretend matter when he’s pretty much always made shit

>>215467455
Retard.

Thank you the creator of such masterpieces as Blade 2 and that movie where a white woman fucks a fish

>>215467384 (OP)
That's not what he said in the article, learn2read nigga

>>215473821
>>215472344

saars this shall not stand

>>215472366
>>215472344
You know the medium is dead when the leading figures turn into luddites

>>215472323
work in amazon fulfillment centers for our daily rations of nutrient paste <3

>>215467384 (OP)
Based. Slopjeets can seethe all they want.

>>215467455
such a low IQ post, oh man, so much to unpack here.


first things first: Prompting is an art. Prompting is a process. Prompters are artists.

you dont just "conjurer up a final product". if its that simple then do it yourself. the reality is that a tonne of creativity, intelligence,and work goes into ACTUALLY good prompting

Prompters are the Artists of the future. you on the other hand, are like a loser still painting generic landscapes while the world of art moves on without you finding new forms and mediums of human expression

>>215467625
AI isn't going to make anyone rich. Except for jews.

>>215467455
Saying it's about the "hard work" is dishonest. A person having all choice and intent and imagination stolen away from them is wrong. The process and craft does not exist anymore, easy or hard

>>215474062
goys to the slaughter

>>215468648
>Anyone with talent refuses to use cars. You can tell that people using cars just want that instant gratification and recognition.
>I'm a stable boy for a living and it's quite funny to see that I'm still finding work and the biggest thing that my farmer tells me, "Good horses will trump cars till all the horses are dead."

>>215474147
Poor analogy. Cars don't run on horse blood. But AI wouldn't be possible if content wasn't stolen to create the models that produce generative content.

>>215474263
that has nothing to do with anything anon

deliberately playing stupid or actually stupid either way the point went over your head

>>215467603
>Shit opinion
>Infantile tranime response

As expected

>>215474338
Then where are these talented AI masterpieces? I think you missed the point that all these slop machines just regurgitate the statistical "average" of all the content that they stole and are utterly dependent on.

>>215467384 (OP)
I like more Lynch's take
it's not the tool but the artist

there's a difference between the AI an artist and produce and the ghibli slop for the masses

>>215474459
Common sense shows this post is correct. You also have to remember...people pretend they are female despite being male and visa versa. People pretend the Earth is flat. People pretend that illegal immigrants are here legally. People pretend that using AI makes them an artist. People pretend the moon landing never happened. People pretend and pretend, knowing they are wrong, but they don't care.

>>215467384 (OP)
wow, bravely standing against random advances in technology, how awe inspiring. History will not look back on him as a lunatic luddite. We all honor the people that believed in their heart of hearts, that the human body could not survive riding at speeds greater than twenty miles an hour when the train came to be. Or the keen folk that knew of the harmful vapors electricity generates when used in ones home. The wisened sons that warned us of your soul being taken from you, should you ever be photographed. Yes, he joins these most noble of ranks, he’s on the side of history.

>>215474459
Calm thine tits

Saw Frankenstein it's mid but in a kind of comfy way. It seems like the definitive version of Frankenstein but not really like that's an accomplishment. A couple of visually striking scenes.

>>215474560
AI is closer to something like fracking (which is being banned in many jurisdictions because of the damage it causes) than actual beneficial technological advancement.

>>215473335
Nothing you said makes any sense
>anyone who thinks AI is the future is living in an imaginary world
>When AI becomes real Artificial Intelligence, which can think on it's own, this generated crap won't even be considered AI anymore.

What do you mean? Do you use AI and Artificial Intelligence to mean different things? What people refer to an AI that can work autonomously as well as a human they use the term AGI, which appropriately distinguishes it from current AI tools.

But either way your critique makes no sense to the extent that I feel I'm interacting with an ESL

>>215467384 (OP)
I don't want to steal someone else's work either, but I don't know if I'd say I'd rather die.
I also don't pirate games. Beat women. Rape children. To me this is just a weird comment. AI is trained by humans. Other people take that trained program and use it. If they feel comfortable taking someone else's creation and branding it for their own, who cares. I just hope it's good and that is objective in and of itself.
To me, nothing good has come from AI, but to those with low standards, it's art. Good and bad are objective, for the most part.

>>215474560
*wipes tear away*
this isn't just a sassy retort to that wretched caveman mentality, but an epic ode to human progress. i'm so happy i was born in this era to bear witness to such advensements in the science. people might laugh and belittle this tech now, but it's the first step for us to start having badass freakin androids and our own starships. i have no idea why these backwards hicks want us to wallow in the mud when the future is HERE!!

>>215474560
This is considered an advance in technology? Who would have known AI art = MRI, artificial organs, solar voltaic cells, DC or AC current. Hopefully they'll get an AI nobel Peace Prize.

>>215467384 (OP)
>people hate technology
It's always old geezers who throw tantrums about new tech. When these retards are bones and dust, AI will be copying their work and making it better. They see people making stupid shit like porn with AI and think that's all it can do. Shame they don't realize AI has been around for decades and they're using it right now.

>>215474459
anon... ai art has won awards not that it even matters, because what you say wont happen is already happening and has happened over the last couple of years, ai art is now in music, games, tv, and has won prices.

And with all that being said you are missing the actual reality of the fact that commercial art is what people consume, (including del toro and every other director) entertainment stuff is art made for the lowest common denomination to sell to.
They dont make brillaint masterpiece art for some lone genius art appreciater critic hermit in the woods, they make it as a product to be sold to millions so any pretense from these directors and other hacks that hey are so above it all is laughable, ai art can make commercial art just as well and better.

>>215474769
>anon... ai art has won awards
And yet you point to no examples. Stopped reading after that, it's painfully obsious you are some shitskin retard or reddit tranny.

>>215474769
Are there any good games made with AI? Is there any good art made with AI? I think your saying AI is meant for people on 4chan...in the public market AI is used, but then discarded.
Proof, we used to us AI writers 10 or so years ago. Now no one cares and is not allowed in schools, work, literature of any kind, other than to proofread or make someone sound less dumb, but it's moved to images. Then it'll move to sculptures and machines. Eventually it'll phase out like the printing press where you still had to put each letter in by hand.
Don't joke and make believe AI is the future

>>215474818
google is free you closing your eyes to facts is on you

>>215474818
You don't remember the programmer who won an award and people lost their shit when he admitted it was AI generated? It was all over the news for months.

>>215474825
>Is there any good art made with AI?

this is so fucking retarded, yes you dumb cunt.

Keep in mind what you consider art and what you consume is commercial art produced for the lowest common people to sell the most amount. Average joe including you dont care for masterpiece that like 5 people in the world can appreciate and neither do these directors writers and all the other clowns bitching about it.
They all make lowest common art to be sold and in that ai is on their level and even higher.

I just learned about AI winter today, turns out this is just the biggest AI "spring", but all this has happened before, time is a flat circle.

>>215474862
You rage, but didn't provide any evidence...I think they won

They just want to gatekeep because their own financial situation depends on it it is very narcissistic and self important/only caring about themselves while locking out everyone else.
Its like breaking open a monopol on creating.

I think more people having access to finally easily create what ideas they have in their heads but never could create because they are cockblocked by funding, access or skill is a good thing.

Now the only limit is imagination and not funding, skill or whatever else.
So many ideas, art and things that got never made because it was only a idea in the head of people that couldnt make it, well those ideas could be set free via AI now/in near future.

>>215474867
Don't bring in facts. You'll just make people more mad it wasn't AI generated.

>>215475006
google is free, you lost

>>215475011
They don't need to 'Gatekeep', someone just needs to create something with AI and people have to enjoy it.
Why not just prove the mainstream wrong and make something AI amazing?

>>215467455
based la imaginacion fatman

>>215475028
I better tell all the 1000's of employees they don't really work for google...damn this kid is dumb

>>215467384 (OP)
>child rapist boomer says some retarded shit

>>215467859
Dude's white himself. Being a beaner doesn't stop you from being white. Reason the States keep getting the brown ones is because they're the ones who live in the shitty areas, while the white ones stay in the good ones.

>>215475050
>>215475035
>>215475006

feels good to win against you

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/03/tech/ai-art-fair-winner-controversy

>>215475050
Over 180k people if you want to get factual. It is strange to think someone would say something about a company, claiming something and then facts show they have to make money, enough to pay over 180,000 people.
Perhaps they don't think they sell your information whenever you use their sight. Gaining information on what to buy, what to sell, what ads to play. Free in the sense they are to ignorant to believe anything is free.

>>215474053
have a pity (you)

>>215474053
Here's a prompt: "fuck off".

I use AI for voices for my audio dramas. Still have to edit them from several takes to get the best performance. Everything else is me.

>>215475100
Proved this person was right
>>215469446
Also...they give out awards to everyone because of the inclusion...winning first place in an AI Art contest doesn't mean anything.

>>215475006
The first slop tier ai model (galileo or whatever) won an art contest before people knew what AI is.
If it's "true" art isn't really relevant. It's better than 99% of the people who call themselves "artists" and claim to produce "art".

>>215475152
it wasnt a ai art contest, it was just a digital art contest thats why all the artists got so furious and seethe to this day that a ai piece won

>>215475141
That is based.

>>215475141
...so using a vocaloid makes it them? I can't understand the thought process of dumb people. Please reword, or us AI to try and make you sound more intelligent.

>>215474769
What the fuck value does "an award" have? I'm gonna go shit my pants and win the pants shitting award, and then go next door to the shit eating competition and win the shit eating award. That'll show you.

>>215467455
I write and use AI to help me brainstorm and juggle ideas. So fuck off with your assumptions.

>>215475171
who "seethed?" The other AI artists that didn't win? You can say what you want, but you didn't provide evidence. just some random pictures, with words that didn't prove you right.
I submitted this at an ass festival...won 1st place.
That's pretty much all you posted.
Oh the ass festival was hosted at dung heap hotel.

>>215475185
How does that contradict what he said?

>>215475183
>ai is shit and never won anything
>ai won awards
>LIAR PROVE IT YOU LIAR
>here look
>i dont care lalala i cant hear you

>>215475201
>other ai artists

what are you retard even talking about anon?
it wasnt a ai art contest it was just a art contest and one happened to use a ai pic and won over all the other non ai art

>>215475185
i actually use now more ai generated artwork for my game than i use human.. because and i know it is shocking to some i just find the ai art more beautiful and imaginative as weird as it sounds.

>guy who can spend $100,000,000 on his art projects says he doesn't want to use AI
Well, no fucking shit. But the filmmaker who doesn't have that kind of money, the only way their fantasy epic will ever become a 2 hour movie is if they use AI.

>>215474053
thats basically truth. People whining about Ai literally never tried to make anything using it. Like actually good picture or song and just IMAGINE how it works same as they IMAGINE how AI is made so they complain about stolen art when in reality its like complaining about stolen pixels or strokes of pencil.

>>215475090
>Being a beaner doesn't stop you from being white.
It literally does thougheverbeit
See
>irish
>slavs
>italians
>spaniards
All of those weren't considered white... Until they were

>>215467455
>being able to conjure up the final product from nothing
Yeah, that's what "AI" does, and it's also the only way it can be used.

Additionally, when something visual appears in a Del Toro-directed movie, Del Toro didn't "create" what you see. We works together with Prop-Designers, Special-Effects Artists, etc., who make it FOR him.

>>215475215
>>215475100
>>215475236
They allowed it but changed their rules. You must submit if it is AI art.

The 2022 controversy
In August 2022, artist Jason Allen won first place in the digital arts category for his piece Théâtre D'opéra Spatial.
He later revealed on social media that the piece was created using the AI software Midjourney.
The announcement triggered a fierce debate in the art world over whether AI-generated images should be eligible for art competition prizes. Allen argued that he had not broken any rules, and the fair's judges and organizers confirmed that there were no rules against AI at the time.
The rule change
As a direct result of the controversy, the Colorado State Fair changed its rules for subsequent competitions.
Starting with the 2023 fair, any artist entering the digital art category is required to disclose if their work was created or assisted by an AI generator.
The fair's general manager stated that the change was intended to give judges full information and to "preserve the tradition" while also keeping pace with emerging technology.
Other related developments
In a separate but related development, the U.S. Copyright Office denied a copyright registration for Allen's award-winning piece, ruling that it lacked the necessary "human authorship".
Some other art events have taken a stricter stance. For example, the South Carolina State Fair explicitly banned AI art from its competition, and GalaxyCon has implemented a zero-tolerance policy against AI-generated art at its events.

>>215467455
>making art is fun
He's telling other people what to do, not doing it himself. He's not making art. He's dictating art. I dictate my art to AI. But it's the human suffering that truly makes it special, right?

>>215467724
Thanks for the reheated Reddit "opinion" that people have been posting & reposting almost word-for-word for nearly four straight years now.

>>215467906
bud hes whiter than me

>>215475100
Wins an award...gets it taken away.
Still won the award.
Guess all the people who us steroids and doping should be allowed to keep all their awards.

>>215468397
>This revolutionary new technology is "fake", and I'm sure it'll completely disappear in just two more weeks.

>>215468648
>Anyone with talent refuses to use AI.
Completely false. Countless Artists, both amateur AND professional, have been experimenting and using Generative AI for half a decade by this point.

You talk out your ass about shit you don't understand very confidently.

>>215475181
>so using a vocaloid makes it them?
ElevenLabs, dipshit.
https://youtu.be/zv_IoWIO5Ek?si=cIFGvseU5shmSm70

>>215475293
So AI makes better art to a way that they need to separate it from losers.

>>215475256
he made chronos on a shoestring budge. what now?
>Guillermo del Toro's film Cronos cost approximately $2 million to make, after going over its original budget of $1.5 million. This made it the highest-budget Mexican film at the time.

>Securing the total budget was notably difficult. Del Toro reportedly took out loans, mortgaged his house, and even sold his van to help finance the film, especially after some promised American funding fell through. Actor Ron Perlman also agreed to a major salary cut to help complete the project

If you use AI for anything at all please kys. Everything it touches becomes lame and gay.

>>215475393
Keep crying, sperg.

>>215475378
>shoestring budget
>2million

i think there is a disconnect lol no average joe can afford that ever but they can afford a subscription to ai generation.
ai democratises art creation and this makes art creators afraid.

>>215474459
>Then where are these talented AI masterpieces
Why does YOUR criteria on what's a "masterpiece" or not matter?

>>215475347
I just dont understand retards who complains that TON of people who HAVE IDEAS in their minds but dont have skills to actually realize them CAN NOW DO IT because they can use AI. The CORE of an ART is an IDEA ai cat do that without a human.

>>215475424
>The CORE of an ART is an IDEA ai cat do that without a human.
It still needs a human to prompt it, fuckwit.

>>215474825
>Eventually it'll phase out like the printing press where you still had to put each letter in by hand.
AI IS "the Printing Press", retard. Just like the printing press where you still had to put each letter in by hand was phased-out by better Printing Press technology & eventually Digital Technology, currently clunky AI will be "phased-out" as well...but by better, more advanced versions of AI.

>>215475215
Why are you making up an argument is wasn't making?

>>215475455
yeah thats why crying about AI isnt an art is retarded because its same art just with different tools and means.

>>215474825
>Is there any good art made with AI?
Yeah? Art that meets YOUR arbitrary, subjective standards for "good" though? Who knows?

>>215475473
it literally was i was asked to provide prove that ai won award and i was called a liar over it, i did provide prove and suddenly its all "well durr i dont care anymore hurrr" you fuckwit

>>215475455
>can't* do that
its what i wrote, dipshit.

>>215474867
>>215475019
>"AI will never be able to draw hands, guys"

>>215475409
Im sick of jeets and boomer polluting everything with this shit, go look literally anything up on youtube and is a sea of utterly worthless chatgpt flotsam you have to sift through to find anything worthwhile. It only enables worthless talentless people with bad ideas to flood every single space with garbage they would previously been too lazy to make.

>>215475503
damn i wish all the directors like del toro bitching about ai would make a movie that looks as good as even the average cgi art on youtube... guess they are even more talentless and worthless

>>215475412
? neither could he, he had to sell his shit are you blind or what

A human telling something else to make art for them isnt the same as making your own art
>Erm actually its just yet another tool! Behold, the photographic camera!
Life is art, capturing a moment in a creative way requires an idea and involves a personal touch. A prompt is is nothing, you don't have any idea what youre going to get until a computer takes ideas from somewhere else and shows them to you. Generating AI imahes with prompts is equivalent to critique, because youre just deciding whether you do or dont like the thing it spits out at you. Its not creative.

>>215475503
>youtube
>is a sea of utterly worthless chatgpt flotsam
I AM SHOKED! SHOKED, ANON!
And before it was a sea of worthless flotsam without ai.

>>215475100
Those images look like shit

>>215475489
Me skim reading and replying based on half of a sentence does not mean you get to decide what argument I was making.

>>215475260
Basing your entire argument on the premise that the people arguing against it havent actually used AI before is pretty fucking stupid

>>215475526
its like you deliberatly miss the point, hey retard again the average joe wont have 2 million but they can afford ai subs to create stuff, which part do you not understand about this?

>>215475526
would you rather sell everything you own to try your luck?
or
not sell everything you own but still be able to try your luck?

I know very difficult question to answer if you are stupid.

>>215475534
So when Bach was asking his wife for help writing when he became blind he suddenly stopped being artist and became critic?

>>215475568
because you didn't.

>>215475568
its really easy to tell who didn't based on what they tell about AI. and How they describe it.

>>215475588
The average Joe has fucking awful taste and shouldn't be allowed to make movies. Art should be left to those who have a passion for it. Cameras are cheap and low budget indie movies are a thing btw, ever heard of Buffalo '66?

Being rabidly against AI is inherently reddit and/or tranny behavior.
The future is now, old man.

Its actually funny all the leftists eat the rich types who bitch endlessly about rich privilege losing their shit that art creation will be made available to everyone and is not just privilege for rich nepo babies dabbling as directors with multi million dollar budgets or people who have to sell everything they own to even just get a shot at creating a small shitty indie movie.

>>215475424
It's literally just Luddites & Gatekeepers getting mad at new technology. It happens every decade or so.
For reasons I don't understand, AI even being mentioned straight-up drives low-to-mid-wits into an absolute retard-frenzy. They have convinced themselves that AI is literally "evil".

>>215475666
>The average Joe has fucking awful taste and shouldn't be allowed to make movies. Art should be left to those who have a passion for it.
Ruled by YOUR opinion i guess?

Watching artists seethe about people having fun with AI is always funny.

Yeah, sorry people won't subscribe to your Patreon because you can draw a woman in lingerie standing there and the naked version is behind a subscription anymore.

>>215475666
satan would say that and deliberatly ignore that nepo babies and people who got rich by whatever else are just as average joe stupid as everyone else

>>215475455
That's EXACTLY what he just said.

>>215475681
>They have convinced themselves that AI is literally "evil".
Isnt it literally what luddites tell about anything? Like you said both cars and television was le evil.

>>215475503
>guy tells you to "keep crying"
>you proceed to cry
Lmao, well-done.

>>215475660
That doesnt make it any less stupid of an argument. Just because some people atguing against it havent used it doesnt mean nobody who's against it has used it.

>>215475677
Just to underline this

>>215475714
Dates all the way back to Socrates who believed writing down ideas was stupid and against true intellectual pursuits. Niggas just mad that technology renders them redundant.

>>215475690
its funny to listen and read this losers honestly. They whine and whine and then you glance at their ART and just cant stop laughing.

>>215475619
If he was critiquing things his sister made, yes. If he was still creating his own stuff, no. Did you think you were making a good point lol

>>215475686
Yes.jpg
Someone whose favorite film is Star Wars or Armageddon should be banned from making movies under penalty of death. I hate modern slop because it lacks authenticity and originality, and AI is somehow even more soulless and derivative than Hollywood.

>>215475618
fortune favors the brave, stay safe in your pussyass lane

>>215475534
>Life is art
Pseud-Platitude with no actual meaning behind it.

>capturing a moment in a creative way requires an idea and involves a personal touch
Yes? And that can absolutely be incorporated into a "prompt".

>waaah waaah, that doesn't count! waaah waaah!
Who says? You? Who cares?

>>215475725
i dont deny arguments. all i tell is that most of anti ai arguments is stupid and easy to disprove because people making them never used AI

>>215475690
It's even funnier when some artist that's staunchly against AI and people that use it gets caught tracing AI art.
It happens more often than you'd think.

>>215475747
yeah the people who first bought cars said the same and started bitching when cars got cheaper and cheaper and everyone could afford them "omg i am (meaning their money) not special anymore how dare the plebs!"

cry about it

>>215475677
trannies and leftists love AI
by definition, being against it is a conservative position

>>215475784
its leftists that want ai banned anon especially in movies and games they literally bitch and cancler over it non stop

>>215475784
Here's the disingenuous reddit nigger again

>>215475747
>fortune favors the brave
Not really, no. Plenty of people end up broke or dead and shit like that after taking stupid risks.

>stay safe in your pussyass lane
Yeah, not pointlessly risking everything you have and your future on something with an incredibly low chance of working out is "pussy" behavior.
I'd love to see why life-shattering risks you've taken, Tough Guy.

>>215475796
No lol.
>>215475799
Spotted the tranny.

>>215475547
>I was only pretending to be retarded, so I win!

>>215474136
>Pranesh Prakash
HAHAHAHAHAH

>>215475547
>Me skim reading and replying based on half of a sentence does not mean you get to decide what argument I was making.
It means we get to accuse you of being wrong/a retard due to lacking reading-comprehension.
If you didn't actually read something before responding to it....whose fault is that?

>>215475744
its easier if you just go fuck yourself.

>>215475814
agree to disagree the biggest pushpack on ai just for textures in my beta was from insane leftists

>>215475503
>Revolutionary new technology BAD ...because it sometimes used to make YT videos me don't like... :(

>>215475814
You will never convince anyone but yourself that redditors are favorable to AI, nigger

>>215475801
i invest in bitcoin when they first started.

>>215475837
Then why are all the AI safe spaces and forums about AI services like Midjourney on reddit? The sub memberships for them dwarf any anti-AI subs.

>>215475838
damn you are a really good artist!

>>215475825
Did I hit a nerve Sanjay?

>Umm, it's NOT "Art", actually. Because I say so.
Idiots with zero education on Art-History forget that we've ALREADY been through this exact same Song & Dance before. Multiple times, actually.

ai just removes the barrier to create stuff you already want to create but couldnt because of lack of funding or skill or time to learn the skill.

Besides the financial incentive of the few to keep it all closed to the wider public/have no competition i cant see any other reason why anyone would be against it.

>>215475817
I wasn't pretending anything and I still win

>>215475681
AI annoys people being it's ehhh whatever that's good enough slop. It's not anyone's artistic vision or skill. That's why a director with an entire CGI division as his finger tips can easily dismiss AI. He gets to dial in exactly what he wants.
Two totally different vibes. It's why AI is great for stuff like I need a PC user icon/pic for a media PC. Ok robot TV climbing a building like king Kong. took less than a min. I would never hire someone to draw it.

>>215475823
Mine. Still doesn't justify lying about my argument.

>>215475547
>me not reading doesn't mean me not reading!

>>215475891
You say it Ai-xister. We must stand together to fight the creative bourgeoisie and seize the means to create from them. Remember that Hitler once proudly used a brush.

>>215475725
i didnt make an argument and just wrote my observation. Jesus. Try to understand the context next time.

>>215475784
>>215475814
>>215475863
>"Look at these four of five screenshots (that we don't even know are genuine) that I spam in every thread! That DISPROVES the observable reality everyone has experienced where militant anti-AI shrieking scales with leftist beliefs!"

This is the gayest attempt at re-framing a narrative I have ever seen. Even assuming these posts even ARE genuine and not sockpuppet shit you made YOURSELF for all we know, they do not disprove the observable pattern of anti-AI hysteria going hand & hand with the beliefs of activist leftcucks.

>>215475834
It's not "sometimes", it drowns out everything else made by people who actually give a shit or know what they're talking about because it can crapped out by anyone in 5 minutes. It's not even useful, it just gives you a fucking oversimplified tldr in the best case scenario and outright bullshit the rest of the time. I have to go back and unfuck shit at work all the time because some stupid jeet put incorrect information from an AI generated answer into the system literally every single day.

>>215475751
>Pseud-Platitude with no actual meaning behind it.
Ironic statement
>Yes? And that can absolutely be incorporated into a "prompt".
Wrong
>Who says?
Me
>You?
Yes
>Who cares?
Enough to argue about it? You.

>>215475922
Not what I said.

>>215475863
>overwhelming majority of plebbit is against AI
>those few individuals that are not gather in dedicated subreddits
I genuinely can't tell why
>>215475926
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/xAvfnyqfQn30817ya2PFUQ/
kill youself

>>215467384 (OP)
>im totally gonna kms if you make me use movie technology #42344
wtf I love hollywood cgi-slop now!

>>215475942
Sorry, I misunderstood. It's your observation that's retarded.

>>215475913
>It's not anyone's artistic vision or skill
Plenty of slop IS "someone's artistic vision or skill" due to having been made prior to the advent of practical-use Generative AI a few years ago. That means absolutely nothing as far as making it "good", and prior to AI people were complaining just as hard about that kind of content as they're complaining about "AI Slop" now.

>>215475964
You sound mad tranny. Maybe you should go back.

>>215475926
See: >>215475944

>>215475998
Based rare sane redditor.

>>215475949
What a completely worthless post.
Why did you even bother to post anything if it wasn't going to contain anything of actual vale towards the argument?

it makes perfect sense for the people who are in danger of losing job opportunities to ai to be angry about it, doesnt mean its right or wrong or that it even changes anything, but it is obviously understandable.
They could be more honest about this fact instead of shrouding it in faux art elitism that everyone sees right through anyway, would probably get them more sympathy from the public.. not that this changes anything either lol.
Its just technology/progress marching.

>>215475876
Ironically abstract nonsense like your bike wheel is going to be the only "art" left to humans. AI will be better (or cheaper) at everything else. Truly the darkest times.

>>215476024
Because you prompted me to.

>i don't want to use ai
>aibros get extremely defensive
He didn't say it should be banned or that it's bad. He just said he doesn't want to use it.

>>215475946
>it drowns out everything else made by people who actually give a shit or know what they're talking about
This has ALWAYS been true of lower-value and lower-effort content. For every good video about a topic there have ALWAYS been a million shitty ones, many with 5 or 6 views on them in the span of a year.
This is NOTHING new and is not specific to AI. It just has people attempting to attach the issue exclusively to AI so they can use it as a Talking-Point to justify their irrational hatred of a new technology.

I hope AI replaces managers next

>>215475744
>>215475825
>>215475873
>"People should be killed if they make movies I personally dislike"
>"You're a moron"
>"ARE YOU INDIAN???"

What is it about the topic of "AI" that just seems to bring the absolute biggest, lip-smacking retards out of the woodwork?

>>215476009
All I see is cope, you can go to any of the pro-AI subs yourself and see that they're infested with disgusting trannies and indians.

>>215476056
>He didn't say it should be banned or that it's bad.
No but the militant screaming anti-AI choir ITT did, and that's who is being responded to.

>>215476059
Absolutely disingenuous as usual. The sheer volume of it is an order of magnitude worse, and it's all worse than the worst human made art. I'd rather watch some shitty cartoon made with MS Paint from 2006 than any AI slop, at least it has personality. It's utterly soulless and you are satisfied with it because you don't have an internal monologue.

>>215476056
Already run out of reddit screenshots to post?

>>215476165
>it's all worse than the worst human made art

i completely disagree

>>215476123
>All I see is cope
No, that's you.

That's the whole reason you even HAVE these screenshots, and why you spam them endlessly, while your opposition doesn't even bother documenting & posting "proof" that militant anti-AI shrieking is done primarily by leftshits: Because your opposition is arguing the truth that everybody already knows and accepts based on easily-observable evidence. They don't have to "prove" it the same way nobody has to "prove" the sky is blue.
Conversely, the entire reason you have to spam rare exceptions is because that's what you'll HAVE TO do in order to deceive people into thinking they're not "exceptions" but rather the rule.

The fact that this discrepancy in behavior between your side of the argument and theirs even exists is proof of the reality of the situation: Your opposition knows & believes the truth, and you know the truth as well but want to socially-engineer opinion closer to your preferred narrative and further from the truth.

Anyone here actually making money with their AI art?

>>215476201
It all looks like shit, objectively.

>>215476112
Do you really want to live in a world where the internet is flooded by literal shit like pic? The entire ebook reddit sub is full of such garbage shitskins, trannies and out of touch boomers peddling their ai generated wares.
>>215476218
Holy cope.

>>215476165
>Absolutely disingenuous as usual.
No, that's you. You're trying to assert that low-quality content is somehow WORSE if it was made utilizing AI in any way.

If anything there's an argument to be made that low-effort slop that AI was utilized in making is objectively BETTER than low-effort slop that is exclusively made by retarded humans; not WORSE; since even AI can generally generate better images & video than a retarded, low-effort human can. Not necessarily true, but that 100% has more rationality behind it than arguing the reverse.

>>215476165
>I'd rather watch some shitty cartoon made with MS Paint from 2006 than any AI slop
OK? Most people really don't share your comparatively extreme opinion, since most people don't have an irrational knee-jerk rage-reaction to seeing anything AI-related.
But you do you, I guess.

>>215476239
I completely disagree

>>215476239
No, that's an entirely subjective opinion on your part, and not even a commonly-held one.

You need to learn the difference between "facts" and "opinions", friend. Perhaps it's time to boot-up a mirror of that Arthur Flash-game PBS made?

>>215467455
so next time a director says "such and such was so easy to work with, he knows his craft" I will treat it like it isn't art and was merely a prompt. Got it.

>>215476248
>Do you really want to live in a world where the internet is flooded by literal shit like pic?
The Internet has literally ALWAYS been "flooded with shit". Because the majority of Humans with access to the Internet lack the skills and/or resources to produce the content meeting the standard of "best".
Are you seriously unfamiliar with "Sturgeon's Law"?

>>215476305
In that case it would be "such and such's" art.

>Large volumes of low-quality content
(:

>Large volumes of low-quality content that utilize AI in some capacity in their creation
O:<

>>215476248
>get BTFO
>"...c-...c-cope..."

>90% of jobs will become obsolete
>super rich won't need that many wagies anymore
I for one look forward to the great culling

We don't watch cars racing against each other without drivers

>>215476271
You are actually fucking autistic. My point was that I would rather look at something made enthusiastically by someone with limited skill than the sterile mediocrity of something made with AI even though it may look more "professional". Same principle behind why I would rather watch an old corny horror movie from the 50's than a fucking Marvel movie.
>>215476283
Most people are fucking stupid and have bad taste. They can get fucked.

>>215476326
>>Large volumes of low-quality content
>(:
Are you retarded?

>>215476374
I completely disagree

>>215476321
>The Internet has literally ALWAYS been "flooded with shit"
lol no, any space that that had no vested interests in shilling or making money (other than perhaps the owners to keep the site running) or manufacturing consent/opinions, and instead focused on the topics at hand/community had value
see 4chan before gamergate, dedicated websites and internet forums, bbs, old youtube, old slashdot
the majority of the reason AI is flooding the internet is because Prajeet can feed his family for a month if some idiot westerner buys his 2 dollar ebook with generated AI text/cover, or these doom scrolling ticktock/social media accounts that regurgitate content with millions of views to try to game the platforms' monetization systems (this is becoming especially bad with music : https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/north-carolina-musician-charged-music-streaming-fraud-aided-artificial-intelligence )

>>215467648
Pacific Rin, hellboy 2 are better than the overrated labyrinth of faun, but the others are as bad. I didnt see pinnochio but as soon as i saw the mussolini hate i was completely uninterested

>>215476395
Then go back to India

>>215475898
based retard

>>215476112
ages old appeal to personality, meaning they lost the argument.

>>215476472
It was not my intention to make you angry nevertheless my complete disagreement remains.

>>215476165
Aren't you fuckers tell that "AI JUST STEAL ART FROM OTHERS?" So its basically cannot be worse then what humans do because its all stolen from humans.

If AI art is unique, why do they need an LLM? Do you take credit for this because you prompt it with words like, "No Ugly, 4k, castle in bottle, etc?" That's like taking a picture, erasing the persons signature and then writing your own.
AI doesn't belong in anything considered art. You are just stealing and I can agree with any director, screen writer and artist being upset that any pushes for AI to be considered art.

>>215476326
Jesus fuck anon. There is sites to make this meme comics in seconds. Why are you such a lazy fuck?

But i agree with a joke.

>>215476347
we do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLPd8hai-uU

>>215476271
AI can only create content that other artists have created. It can't genuinely create something. So if it's slop, try changing the LLM.
It would be weird to steal something and then claim it as your own.

>>215476374
>My point was that I would rather
>I would
So its your own personal kink, why the fuck would we give a fuck?

I see this post and see.

I can create movie magic and will not use AI.

People mad:
I have no artistic or cultural value and must steal other peoples work. Run it through a machine and call it my own.

People happy:
Who cares, if I don't like it, whether it's AI or not, then I don't like it. Just credit people who created the original piece and stop pretending you are unique, or if you wish to be considered unique, create something new instead of using someone else's work.

>>215476347
dude never heard of videogames lmao
hey granpa vidja is the biggest entertainment industry on the planet literally larger than the movie and music industry combined

>>215476569
>AI doesn't belong in anything considered art.
and this is art

>>215476605
It's not fast food hamburgers, it's steamed hams.

>>215476569
>That's like taking a picture, erasing the persons signature and then writing your own.
lol and then people ask me why i think >>215475260

You literally have no idea how it works and can only pull out bs from up your ass.

Can someone download the software without an LLM? Can you teach an AI without taking someone else's writing, picture, or audio?

>>215476569
>AI doesn't belong in anything considered art. You are just stealing and I can agree with any director, screen writer and artist being upset that any pushes for AI to be considered art.

I completely disagree

>>215476711
can you learn a language with no writing, picture, or audio or people who uses it?

>>215476726
If that was impossible language would have never evolved.

>>215476569
The fact that AI ART makes you seethe can be considered art in of itself.

>>215476726
Thank you for proving my point. I learned english, and I didn't create it or take credit for creating it. I learned to write, I don't take credit for creating for creating the language I write in. Taught to draw something, didn't take credit for drawing the picture they wanted me to draw and even mention who taught me how to draw the image.

Do any of you take a coloring book and then color it and go, "I made this." I'm pretty sure, you go "I colored this." I'd hope.

>>215476726
Do you think those things appeared out of thin air?

>>215476765
Strange. I'm playing Squeakross while posting to comments on here. Why would I seethe on 4chan? Why would anyone take anything on here serious?

>oh noes, I'm against technology for making so-called "art"!
>uses technology in the form of cameras
I hate retards so goddamn much.

>>215476773
They think, because they downloaded, put some prompts into it, let the computer do all the work, save or throw away the pictures they like, they created it from thin air.

>>215467384 (OP)
Amazing how the same faggots who said "art is subjective" now say that AI is definitively not art

>>215476742
Languages evolve because "users" change languages they know by using them differently.
to be a user you need to first learn the language. And yes it requires to have a contact with fucking language aka writing, picture, audio or other users.

>>215476784
>Why would I seethe on 4chan?

I dont know why exactly you would seethe on 4chan but you did seethe about AI ART and the fact that it made you seethe is art.

>>215476767
>I learned english
How do you learn it? If after i learned English i wrote a book this bout cannot be art? I cannot be author of the book?

>>215476773
no really describe me how you learn english.

>>215476798
if there is pictures A B and C painted by someone else and i make a magazine where i sequenced this pictures as C B A then I will be author of this sequence and I would have full rights to it. Not for the pictures but for the sequence of them.

>>215467384 (OP)
I feel like this is just a giant joke. Has enough money to never work again. Someone forces him to use AI in his job field. He just doesn't do it and retires.

>>215476831
I learned it naturally as a baby from hearing other people speak it. Are you saying AI is infantile?

>>215467384 (OP)
Jews are so fucking scared of the AI, its hilarious to see.

>>215475293
>required to disclose if their work was created or assisted by an AI
they want to look up my painting's "Early Life" section before they consider awarding me, that's so racist.

>>215477024
>t. absolute idiot that didn't look up Sam Altman's early life section

>>215477053
>NO, STOP GOY, STOP USING THE AI TO DESTROY HOLLYWOOD, OY VEY, STOOOOOPP

>>215467384 (OP)
then don't.

>>215477141
>Implying Hollywood wont adopt it

>>215476056
he wants to associate AI use with threats against life. that's unhinged and deserves some push back if you enjoy AI stuffs.

>>215476324
Now replace the director with AI and keep human actors. It is only the actor's part that is le artful. Now replace the human actors with AI actors. No human, no art! Now replace the human script with AI writing. Literally Soulless!

This argument is a Ship of Theseus. Can't replace the mast or the part that touches water else it isn't the same boat. All because those are the parts they notice the most from afar and hitherto been hardest to replace.

>>215467455
the last time guillermo del toro used traditional film stock and color timing was Hellboy (2008)
you should shut the fuck up about hard work because you have no idea what you are talking about

>>215476805
I'm so glad I lived to see the post-modernism narrative btfo so hard. All that artistic wankery for nothing, all their lives and absurdly gatekept value systems they pushed made meaningless overnight. You love to see it.

>>215477517
I think you misunderstood. In a collaborative effort like a movie, lots of people's art comes together for the final product. I'm not saying only that person's art matters in the production of the whole movie.

>>215469446
>You'll always be a joke in the Art Community if
the CIA funded many art movements to make the soviets think we were sophisticated
the art community, instead of gatekeeping those movements after learning this information, continue to pretend the art movements are still real.

>>215477588
That's the key question: How many people can be left out of the movie or replaced by AI before it stops being art? It's only because AI is fledgling tech that the anti-ais see a chance to get out ahead of the adoption curve to denounce any replacement as evil even though movie makers have been replacing as many people as possible leading up to AI.

>>215477756
>movie makers have been replacing as many people as possible leading up to AI.
Are you talking about the sloppiest of low quality slop that's been produced in the last decade or so?

>>215477871
no one who watches this scene has my permission to find it artistic or uplifting, no humans are really in the crowd and they did not disclose this cost cutting measure.

>>215478014
This is a creative solution to a problem

>>215477756
i dont agree with the premise that you even need humans for something to be art, i have seen natural rock formations that i consider art etc
there is sooo much in nature you can consider as art

>>215478194
so is drawing the same crowd in ms paint and asking an AI to build it up even more realistically.

>>215478252
Not really lol