Thread 4212632

Discuss the lovely book and the amazing movie. It's the only Ghibli film that made me cry twice.

Previous threads:

>https://archived.moe/u/thread/3240926/
>https://archived.moe/u/thread/3565991/

Read the book (in epub)

>https://files.catbox.moe/xs9ahp.epub

And post pics and feelings and tell us if you are fine on the outside, sis...

So was Marnie a ghost, or was it some time travel shenanigans?

>>4222690
>Novel implies it is a ghost.
Wait, so grandma Marnie, knowing Anna is her granddaughter still does all the yuribaity stuff with her?

>>4222690

>What I want to know was, was the original novel so yuribaity

It very much was, the movie is actually toned done somewhat.

https://jayfax.neocities.org/marnie This blog is a great repository of various Marnie lore and tidbits. The writer stopped by a few times in previous threads (of the blog, not Joan Robinson, she's long dead).

>>4212632 (OP)
I'm sure Anna will find another nice blonde girl to wife up someday...

Til there was a yuri Ghibli movie

Bought the artbook a couple months ago. I think it's time for a rewatch.

Went to see it again at the theater on Wednesday. Still makes me tear up like it did in 2015.

>>4231250
>google it to see if it's playing in a theater near me
>one of the search suggestions is 'when marnie was there gay'
lol

>>4231254
Yeah that happens.

Is Marnie gay.
Is Anna insane.
Is Marnie a polterghoost.
Did Miyazaki Direct Marnie.

>>4232020
Yes!

>>4231250

Am I crazy or is this shot a reference to the Shining, with the twins in the hallway? I always felt like this was the part where Marnie was the most 2spoopy in the movie.

How different is the book from the movie? I'm thinking about reading it.

>>4230185
Wasn't actually yuri unfortunately. It's yuri up until the end when they go
>JK this wasn't a yuri story what would make you think that????

>>4232692
Granny incest yuri is still yuri.

>>4233481

I really like this, tasteful and simple. Did you make it yourself or find it posted somewhere?

>>4233997
No I made it recently. I was thinking of having my oldest sister paint the sides and back of the crystal box like the mansion facade. She is amazing with all mediums of art. Come to think of it she is really good with making resin water.

>>4212632 (OP)
is the book an older version, or the revised one? Fuck I'm still pissed about it. We need to find an old ebook of it.

>>4232692
Sorry sis but Marnie is still yuri.
someone in previous threads did a whole post about both movie and book, there's an entire section about gay
https://jayfax.neocities.org/marnie

If you come around, blogsis, I also appreciate the "new" post about the book version differences :D

So, was Marnie a predator?

>>4255741

That was actually a pretty solid read

>>4258115
There's a lot of other posts about Marnie in the blog. I used to think I was Marnie's #1 fan but this Jayfax has blown me out of the water with the research. I adore the blog.

I recently had this come in the post via a Chinese shipping agent. Chinese edition of When Marnie Was There. I saw online images of it and I adored the art so much. The cover and illustrations inside are by Lisk Feng.
>>4255741
>>4258141
Wow, thank you, I'm blown away people are still reading my stuff. I had thought it was spent resource by now.

is the movie worth watching??

>>4259515
Yes.

>>4259501
Damn, that cover's a vibe.

>>4259501
I re-read the marnie posts in that blog every so often, when I'm in a marnie mood. I have it bookmarked actually. And I hope I get to see more of it! And any new discoveries you might make :D

When will we get something similar to this bittersweet kino? The Summer You Were There got the bitter covered but not the sweet.

i just finished watching the movie and why did anna imagine marnie in the first place? i dont get it

>>4260069
Welcome to the club, we've been discussing what the fuck was up with Marnie's hallucination/ghost/tulpa/whatever for years.

Doylist answer: What Marnie is or represents isn't important, only the role she plays is.

>>4256830
NO! She was not. At all. She was a child who was abused by her grandmother and the maids and loved her grandchild very, very much.

Do you think using the guide in the marnie Blog we could create our own version of the epub that's accurate to the OG?

I have no idea how to edit epubs but if someone knows how I'm willing to go through the trouble, seems like it wouldn't be that much work.

>>4260069

Anna was in a low point of her life where she felt worthless and unable to connect to people. All of a sudden she makes contact with a girl who gives her an immediate and deep connection, and a feeling of worthiness. That's the basic aspect, but it gets deeper when you consider the familial connection they have, and the way their relationship becomes very reciprocal (Marnie turns out to need Anna as much if not more than Anna needs her).

>>4262585
I wonder how lesbian marnie would've turned out if she had future vision and saw herself doing this shit

I hope there's a sequel where she will find another lesbian lover when she grows.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/article/2024/aug/09/sobbing-in-the-aisles-writers-on-their-most-memorable-parent-kid-film-experiences
>Before When Marnie Was There, I used to say that lockdown had ruined my daughter’s viewing habits. Pre-Covid, she was on 20 minutes a day of carefully curated, gentle kids TV.
>After two weeks of lockdown, aged three, she’d learned how to use the remote control and discovered Netflix. I thought we’d lost her.
>Then, one wet Sunday a couple of years ago, we put on When Marnie Was There. As a family, we’d watched other Studio Ghibli films together, but something about this slow, gorgeous animation (a world away from the loud, obnoxious telly shows she usually favoured) got her; the connection was instant and intense.
>Now aged seven, she still gets the same dreamy look whenever we put on Marnie.

>>4269718
Now that's a lesbian in the making.

Reminds me of the Kiki book. The movie left out a lot about Kiki's and Ursula's first meeting. UM UM . IT IS YOU! Um I need the stuffed cat back. Did it fall in the forest??? FOR ME IT IS YOU, MY BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN HER BEAUTIFUL BLACK DRESS!!! That whole part was great. That and when Kiki first meets the senior fortunetelling witch.

>>4259515
That depends, how much do you wanna cry.

Hi!
So I made the edits to the Ebook, changing most things to how they were in the original save for the fixed typos.
Read this beautiful story in all its gay glory here-
https://files.catbox.moe/u7qjgn.epub
Or on mega if you want
file/ApAWiLBT#yPVjhk7dW1AbVppfPr-gZ41eW26PTOL8R4guIJAKCQw

>>4275091
oh, forgot to mention: Thanks blogsis for making that chart with all the differences!

>>4275091
>>4275092
Fantastic job, it was only time someone did this. If anything you should have credited yourself somewhere in this ebook to indicate it's been textually reverted.

>>4233997
It took months but I scratchmade a couple of outdoor candle lamps on my beloved swamp here at my house and I am making a short boat dock and Lighting it with either hurricane lamps It is like a gateway.

>>4269686
She goes back to Little Overton and makes out with Priscilla/Sayaka

>>4232020
This was a really good scene "THE WINDOW GIRL!!!"

there should be more yuri of this

Finally got around to watching the movie. Beautiful. I know the book has lots of lovely lines to read between, but the physicality of their interactions in a visual medium adds a new dimension to it even if some other aspects are toned down. And of course it's still a great story even if you're somehow immune to subtext. Now want to reread the book.

>>4301898
read the true version >>4275091

Is it incest if one of them is a ghost/tulpa?

>>4313065
Ghost yes, tulpa no. A ghost is actually part of your relative, but a tulpa is your own creation.

>>4325600
This could get complicated.

Does anyone have access to a hard copy of the second edition, as seen on the blog linked in >>4228685 ? In the last thread we discussed the lost Jackanory episode that featured the story, illustrated with on-location photos. It aired the same year as that book edition was published; I wonder if the photo on the cover is from that photo shoot? Can someone check and see if it credits the cover art?

>>4332541
As writer of that blog post, I have a copy of the 1971 edition (duh). It doesn't have credits of the photographer, I did check this a while ago and checking now nope still can't find it.

Interestingly, Robinson's later novel Meg and Maxie, a paperback of a similar profile of said edition of Marnie, does credit the photographer for the cover. Paulus Smith, a name that yields absolutely nothing on web search, in case that person had any connection to Marnie.

I did wonder if the photo was from the Jackanory shoot. I'm not sure. I did investigate this a while ago and one gentleman I asked, a Norfolk expert Cameron Self, noted the windmill in the photo isn't from Burnham Overy, that it looks like Polkey's Mill in Reedham. That doesn't totally exclude the chance that the photographer is the same anonymous person who did award winning work for Jackanory, but I only know that it was shot on-site in Burnham Overy.

>>4332699
During the last thread I looked at the jackanory imdb credits and came to believe that James Matthews-Joyce was likely the photographer. He also had no online information I could find, apart from working on many episodes of jackanory, and one auction site selling a painting (unrelated to jackanory) that might have been by him.

>>4332699
Hi blogsis, keep up the good work.

>>4275091
>>4301928
How do I use that?

>>4352326
I use Calibre for epubs, but any epub reader should work sis

>>4275091
Reading now!
>But Anna herself was on the outside.
>Just me, just me, just me / And I'll be fine on the outside
I'm going to enjoy this, and possibly cry

Happy new year Marnie thread!

There's a lot of gayness, queerness and dykes in this book.

>>4288053
>I'm so glad your grandma's time-travelling ghost was a catalyst for our meeting and falling in love!
>Yeah, me too.
>However did you learn to eat pussy so well, by the by?
>Um. It's a secret.
>Natural talent, I suppose!
>Yeah, that.

Something anachronistic in your modern adaptation of a novel from the 60s? Just have a character remark, "My, how quaint!"

That reminds me, blogsis, I recently read the book and then your various posts, and it was a beautiful and emotional experience and brought me great comfort in the last few days of my dad's life, but also at one point in your movie summary you mentioned Anna arriving in Hokkaido and I have to issue a formal complaint because the London analogue is Sapporo, the capital OF Hokkaido (she simply moved from big-city Hokkaido to country town Hokkaido), where I in fact lived when I first watched this movie in cinemas, so in fact you are nitpicking and biased, I win.

Perhaps surprisingly, this is foreshadowing.

Oh no, I started paying attention to this girl and now suddenly I'm wet!

Literally who gives a fuck about boys though??

This scene is a metaphor for lesbian sex.

She seems like less of her own independent person and more of an Anna-relative character.

Yeah, that's what I tell Japanese girls

I've told you that like five hundred times, you little freak.
I preferred book Priscilla.

wew

the English dub is so bad lmao
like, notably there are good Ghibli ones specifically
but this is so fucking not one of them

Hey look, it's Xi Jinping!

>>4361551
Why would you ever watch dubshit?

Yes, make that private promise and form that personal relationship with a younger girl.
>>4361558
I've listened to literally like three lines out of curiosity. But like I said, the Disney Ghibli dubs are renowned for being not total shit. This, I'm discovering, is not so.

He has a name, you little shit

I feel I may not have been in the best frame of mind for my rewatch. It's a beautiful film, but I wasn't as affected as my first watch or when reading the book recently. It was a bit. I dunno, anime? in its construction, especially after the party scene. Reading the book Anna's development felt natural and satisfactory. Watching the film it felt more like, "ah well, we've got to that point in the three-act structure, so..."
Lovely film, but I think I owe it still another, less-depressed and less-drunk watch. I'm sure I have more thoughts, but I really ought to sleep.

>>4361558
All animated films are dubbed. Cartoon characters can't actually speak.

>>4361735
Not funny.

>>4361551
????
Sis not to be an ass, as we both clearly love this film, but the dub is not only wonderful: It's /more accurate/ to the book. It literally rips lines from the book instead of just translating the japanese.
I always watch it dubbed. I've watched both versions, of course. Japanese was my first! I don't see how or why if ever it would be bad. Voices fit the characters and the world, are full of the right emotions and the acting is beautiful.

>>4361735
Accurate, valid and funny. Although some motion capture anime (e.g. gdgd fairies, Tesagure! Bukatsumoni) features voice acting captured live and not dubbed.

>>4361771
Huh. All I can really say is that I only listened to a few lines and found the line delivery obnoxious and pretty reminiscent of standard bad English dubs. (And not just because they had American VAs/accents – after all, the film's not even set in England!) Entirely possible I could have had a completely different experience actually watching the thing through.
>/more accurate/ to the book
>literally rips lines from the book instead of just translating the japanese
Well, the book is in English, so the Japanese dialogue is almost guaranteed to have less of the original than the same film dubbed into English.
I've worked on translations of Japanese adaptations of English-language novels, so it's not as if I don't appreciate in a translation what you are advocating for here. (Though I didn't watch a translation anyway, either last night or when I first watched at Sapporo Cinema Frontier.)
For me it's always what the key creative staff worked on, i.e. the script they wrote and the direction they gave the VAs. There would need to be a significant gap in the quality of the dub for me to consider watching a version other than the original. (Or the other-language version is interesting in its own right, like a parody dub or something.)

>blogsis updated the site in response to my dumb nitpick
Reading it though, I'm afraid you've got it backwards. Anna moved FROM Sapporo, (the capital of Hokkaido and the London analogue), TO a small seaside village. The movie starts in Sapporo.
Despite various English-language sites claiming otherwise, Kissakibetsu is not the name of the village, but merely the closest station. They probably just saw Kissakibetsu in English and assumed that was the town even though they drove from Kissakibetsu to get there, describing the place they're heading as much quieter but not referring to it by name.
Anna goes to 岸浦 post office to post her letter before her first Marsh House trip. That name is never spoken in the film and exists in the real world as a family name read Kishiura. That said, across all of the setting material I've seen online or in my collection of promotional material and the BD the film is simply said to be set in Hokkaido in a village by the sea, with no mention of the village's name. The non-specificity is probably how you got mixed up originally.
It's probably Kishiura, but they definitely took no care to establish this as part of the setting. Maybe a novelisation or some of the BD extras would talk about it more. Incidentally, I came across a fan novel where the writer used it as the name of the town https://www.pixiv.net/novel/series/567795

>>4362259
Maybe you picked just bad lines?
Try watching the beginning minutes. Anna's delivery at the start always brings me near to tears. It's not only the monotone of her voice but the fact that you can feel what she's feeling.
She knows this magic circle exists and she speaks of it as a fact. But there's that hint of resentment there yet trying to pretend she doesn't care.
God I just think it's perfect. And the entire movie is like that, imo. Just perfectly captures the mood of the characters, the atmosphere of the moment.
Also Marnie has a british accent for obvious reasons lmaoooo

>>4361485
>>4361501
>>4361553
>>4361540

God I love looking at the background details in Ghibli movies, they always manage to make places look so "lived in". I love the patterns of the carpets, the wallpaper, all the various knick-knacks and clutter.

>>4368516
Hi Marnie! You're cute!

>>4368516
Window Marnie is love.

>>4368557
>>4368587
Get off 4chan, Anna.

So I stumbled on this: https://otakumode.com/news/55f14872944c0e4331e97156/Studio-Ghibli-Grand-Exhibition-Gets-Underway-in-Nagoya!

In 2015 Ghibli put on a whole exhibition that featured the backgrounds of Yohei Tanada from Marnie, as well as a bunch of other awesome looking displays, including dioramas from scenes in the movie. I honestly can't believe I never found out about this until now, I wonder if much of this stuff is open to the public at the Ghibli museum now, or if it's locked away in storage.

>>4371407

I mean they fully recreated Marnie's room.

>>4371415

Unfortunately the only images I can find to post are for ants, but you can see the full gallery for yourself on the site.

Marnie helps the Oiwa's pick tomatoes

I hope that they do Marnie again at this years Ghiblifest. They rarely do though. If it isn't on the list I think I will watch at home on the first day of Spring.

>>4371415
I'd sneak under the bed and stay there until they tore the place down

i went to kinokuniya to check out their ghibli collection and i didnt see any marnie blu rays there???

>>4392175
Maybe it's so popular they sold out

>>4392175
I have the original release at my place, wanna come over and watch it?

So what's the best release? I currently have this
https://nyaa.si/view/1464253

>>4393395
I have the AnimeRG ghibli collection version, has never failed me
https://nyaa.si/view/936789

>>4393865
>1080p movies at those file sizes

>>4394131
I think it's mostly cuz of the audio tracks. The marnie one is only 1.6 g

>>4371415
Is this a permanent thing or they tore it down after a while?

All right let's see how gay these kids are in Japanese

Are we all still here?

>>4409872
We're so back tulpa/ghost/hallucination incest sisters

What Marnie's doing?

>>4415446
Do you think Anna masturbates to MArnie well into her teenages despite knowing it was her grandma?

>>4423925
I think Sayaka was putting the blue dress on and cosplaying on the regular during those years.

>>4438271
She never questioned why Anna wanted to have sex witht her grandma, she just wanted the sex

Yuri spotted in wplace, right where it should be

Wonder who painted that ;)

>>4459173
Wonder who painted that ;)

>>4459910
based sis