Thread 712390553

>game has poison weapons
>a poisoner build isn't viable

FOOD

So glad whomp is back

>>712390553 (OP)
>game has an archetype
>tons of items all designed for this archetype, suggesting it is viable
>some bosses later hard counter it to the point that your run is over when you're obviously beyond any opportunity to pivot
>community insists this design is brilliant that one archetype is hard countered while the others are not
wow great game

>>712390553 (OP)
>game has damage reflect
>it's not viable to build tanky and kill everything with reflect damage

>>712390921
good for him

>>712390553 (OP)
Underrail is this
Many different poisons, many ways to acquire them, many ways to apply them, such as via traps, caltrops, thrown knives, bladed weapons and crossbow bolts, but in order to really make them work you need to specialise in them which weakens you elsewhere and you still need to specialise in a specific weapon focus, you can't wholly branch across all avenues of poison application
Even then, you need to invest into biology to extract poisons and even work into some crowd control to give poison time to actually work
There are also beings which ignore poison entirely so you need more investment into dealing with those, but grenades require no skill thankfully
Underrail does have a pretty good array of poisons to play with though, not just DoT boring shit
Shame they're only really viable on lower difficulties, but on those difficulties you can just sleep through the game

>>712390553 (OP)
>When poisoned, imbue weapon with poison to do extra damage
>Very few enemies poison you
>Poison inflicting enemies are 90% of the time immune to poison anyway
>Early game enemies the extra poison doesn't matter because they die in 2-3 hits anyway
>Every late game enemy is immune to status effects

>>712390921
Oh shit Ronnie is alive? Time to catch up on comics.

>>712390921
Same. He's clearly still fucked up but I honestly enjoy seeing his comics a few times a week

>>712393102
>game has damage reflect
>build tanky with damage reflect
>it reflects the damage post-mitigation

Is poison purple
>or green

>>712390553 (OP)
ToME
The poison spread build is actually really strong and carries you through most of the first half of the game
But it doesn't work on undead, and the mid game dungeon is all undead
If you're unaware of this, even one of the early game dungeons can stomp you cause its mostly undead

>poison weapon
>miss
>poison gone

>>712394729
That's why we get the arcane poison prodigy

>>712396254
>wasting a prod on mystical cunning
just go cauterize/flexible combat

>>712394518
>The reflected damage also gets mitigated by the enemy's damage reduction, doing fuck all damage

>>712390921
He'll either be dead or in jail for child porn before 2030

Fuck that fat tranime nigger

>>712390553 (OP)
>Game has status ailments
>bosses are inmune to them
>regular mobs die easy so it's not worth using them

>>712390921
Me too

>>712397516
>cauterize
>flexible
No.
For me it's elemental surge + worldly knowledge (I play krog dual mindstar rogue)

>poison works only on trash enemies that die in one hit anyway
>mfw

>>712390553 (OP)
they tried it, but the devs found it too toxic to play against

>>712390553 (OP)
>Poison does a fixed amount of damage per tick
>Boss and enemy health pools are so bloated it would take hours to kill them making it useless
Sucks shit, man

>Bleed does a percentage of health damage when a meter is built up
>Would be a massive benefit in defeating hp bloat enemies
>Every god damn enemy is either immune or so resistant to bleed that you would kill them a hundred times over before triggering it

Why the FUCK do you include status ailment weapons in games at all?

I never understood why games so this shit. They all fucking do it when status ailments are a thing and it really pisses me off. Just do not have it as an option for the player at that point.

>>712390553 (OP)
>game has poison weapons
>lots of enemies can be poisoned
>skills and characters that deal extra damage to poisoned opponents
Yep, it's gaming time.

>Unlockable class can cast stat ailments
>All bosses, mini-bosses and Super Bosses are immune to stat ailments
Why are JRPGs like this?

>>712392963
It's to teach you a life lesson. Generalists, both in games and real life, are more flexible, adaptable and more able to be self-sufficient than someone who specializes in one thing.

>>712390553 (OP)
>game has poison

>>712398619
except games like that are always unbeatable without specialized builds

>get some neat sleep and poison weapons in Elden Ring
>poison is nonexistent slow damage
>sleep does not last that long if it works at all
>go back to using blood weapons

>>712398149
>Bosses are status immune but you can break this with enough minus resist gear/abilities
>Haste effects DoT/debuff duration letting you quickly get their full effect on regular mobs
Now we're cooking.

>>712398353
>play weird niche kink RPG
>all damage over time abilities work on bosses too
>plays better than a lot of regular JRPGs
what the fuck

>>712398746
Wrong.

>>712398619
>one specialized build works
>other specialized build just doesn't because fuck you

>>712397531
>the reflect only works on melee attacks
>all melee enemies have high defence

>>712398923
>the specialized build is "do a lot of damage and move fast"

>>712390553 (OP)
>game has 3 different types of poison (Ie in terms of damage it can deal)
>you can't use the best type for combat
>trying to use it against other players is a joke since they can just cure it instantly

>>712390553 (OP)
I miss Ronnie.
I saved this comic in 2011, found it in my photos app earlier today, weird.

>>712398867
I dont give a shit about bonus stat percentages unless they are 10% or higher because there will be 1 to 3 percent chance I will even fucking notice.

>>712398979
Wow you sure are beating the hell out of the strawman you constructed

>>712399030
You should try saving the actual good ones.

>>712399130
my post isn't even an argument or a disagreement
are you okay

>>712390921
Holy shit he's back?!?
He was /v/-core back in the day, and I was so sad to see him stop uploading years ago.
Brb, gonna spend the rest of the night catching up

Another one I had saved from back then

>>712398923
Don't pick the wrong build then.

>>712390553 (OP)
>poison scales with enemy’s HP

>>712398923
Yeah? And? Just because devs allow for multiple builds doesn't mean all those builds have to be viable. That's another life lesson they are trying to teach you. Just because an option is available, doesn't mean that option is correct or will lead to a good outcome.

So yeah, I'm completely okay with some available builds on games being "red herring" builds that aren't viable and others being "correct" builds that will make the game easy to beat.

>>712399196
Last one.
>>712399138
The "I am a pretty lady?" panel always stuck with me, it was funny to me. It was a more innocent time before right wingers decided to start making trans people their new target to get ruffled over. Nowadays chuds would probably start crying&pissing, calling for a whomp-boycott over it

>>712399184
Then what point were you making?

>>712399517
Thank god you will never design anything in your life

>>712399547
Forgot the comic lmao

Anyway, time to check out the new ones now.
Stay fresh, cheese bags

>>712399556
that the "specialized build" that ends up being viable tends to be the most basic one anyway
do you think for yourself or do you respond to immediate stimulus

He's still got it

>>712390553 (OP)
>Game has magic
>A caster build isn't viable

>>712399625
Retard. Making every build viable makes player choice meaningless since it doesn't matter what choices you make,.you'll always succeed at the game. Having builds that aren't viable makes it so the player has to carefully weigh their options and really think about their build instead of just doing whatever the hell they want with no consequences.

>>712399829
literally no one said that

>>712399829
Nice Bluesky link Ronnie you stupid jerk

>>712399905
>game has magic
>around a tenth of all enemies have 100% magic resist
>no spell can get around this or deal non-magical damage

>>712398867
literally PoE uniques in a nutshell lmao

>>712399905
>game has explode on death
>suicide build isn't viable

>>712400316
Bluesky is alright, imagine using a communications platform run by a retarded druggie white supremacist billionaire parasite

>>712399138
>the actual good ones
all three of them

>>712398427
They have them in the game to say oh hey look how much depth there is to our combat system, and then it's 2 inches deep under the surface because the best strategy is just hit the enemy with your normal attack but harder.

>>712399030
would transition save her?

>>712400539
>game has on-death triggers
>suicide builds ARE viable

>Game has holy warriors who, in lore, are regular knights empowered/blessed by divine magic
>They're worse performing than warrior/fighter classes

>Game has really cool looking gear
>It's dogshit

>Game has interesting items with fun effects
>They're almost always worse than generic stat boosting items

>>712400547
hi ronnie

>game has status ailments
>majority are fixed damage amounts and immediately get outscaled after the early game
>bleed is just poison but better
>bosses have insane resistances to being inflicted with status effects

>>712400986
>poison deals fixed damage but isn't balanced for the early game at all
>putting all skill points into poison ASAP lets you 1-shot most early game bosses

>The best weapon in the game is so expensive that by the time you can afford it, it's useless.
Why?

>>712400547
> imagine using a communications platform run by a retarded druggie white supremacist billionaire parasite
Sorry but unfortunately all my Japanese sexy anime girl artists are there

>>712400539
>game gets an explode on death class through a mod
>enemies can now randomly roll that class like any other
>explosion is based on your max health
>enemies have way more health than you
>

>cute ninja girl party member
>has all of these effects for poison
>all of them suck for no particular reason
>using bleed on her is more consistant, has better passives and deals more damage
poisonbros...

>>712398149
>bosses are immune to status ailments
it is always actually insane when games do this, genuinely
you made the problem in the first place, the solution is never going to be to add another problem

>>712401562
I love when a boss has a fuckhuge hp pool combined with insane damage resistance. So you assume that status effect strategies would be the solution. And then the boss just cleanses every status effect or is outright immune to them.

>>712390553 (OP)
Divinity:OS2 is full of this shit. Want to play a pyromancer? Fuck you, half of the enemies are immune. Want to play poison earth mage? Fuck you, half of the enemies in the game are undead and get healed by it instead. Want to do a reflect damage build? Fuck you, the numbers are so dogshit that it barely tickles even on a maxed out lone wolf.
>>712400539
>>712400784
But at least the allahu akbar build is not only viable, but basically is broken

>>712401671
>spend entire fight stacking on Debuffs/DoTs
>everything is working as it should
>get boss to half health
>>>>>>>>PHASE TRANSITION<<<<<<<<
>cleanses self 100%
>increases his attack and defense
>probably heals too because fuck you
I fucking love status effect builds but games fucking despise them and I'm so tired of it.

>>712400156
This is the problem with modern Obsidian games. And ironically I think it's partially Tim Cain's fault, due to his post-Fallout love of Everquest and time spent as MMO system designer on Wildstar.

>>712401872
>spend fight stacking debuff you built the entire team around
>PHASE CHANGE
>gains insane buffs from the debuff you spent several turns inflicting
>get wiped

>shitty design thread

>game is top down pixel 2D
>camera view is from the moon
>can barely see any detail or pixels

>>712400316
You guys finally have your own safespace with Xitter, why are you still crying?

>>712401401
i don't get it, and 65 is way too fucking cold

>>712402389
i wont rest until my enemies die, to be succinct, the ideal is it's own reward

>>712399517
>Just because devs allow for multiple builds doesn't mean all those builds have to be viable.
No designer does this intentionally; it is only done through gross incompetence. Wasting huge amounts of development resources just to put in something not able to be used is retarded, when you could instead put in something that will hook a unique subset of the playerbase. Even more retarded is when you make a power fantasy that would appeal to a lot of players, like fire damage, very shitty. Then you are both wasting resources on something useless and alienating a bunch of potential players.

>>712390553 (OP)
>Poisoning an enemy does not cause nausea, fatigue, random spasms, uncontrollable diarrhea, numbness, partial or full paralysis, cardiac arrest, blurred vision, intense cramping, vomiting, or instant death
Poison and Venom have been the most broken meta on Earth for like the last 5 billion years. Are devs EVEN trying!?

>>712390553 (OP)
>game has cool gun
>cool gun is not remotely viable
how it feels to be a revolverfag in this cruel automatic world

>>712402494
He's getting horny imagining his gf as a loli and has to lower the temp to keep from visibly sweating.

>>712398867
>hidden meta in game wherein several highly conditional and generally impractical weapons and armor synergize to create an unstoppable killing machine

>>712393689
>Shame they're only really viable on lower difficulties
this is incorrect
expedition poison are some of the most broken over powered things in the game

>>712400156
This is just wrong and a crutch justification for bad game design. It's a strawman that ignores mechanical uniqueness, skill floor/ceiling, replayability, and player taste. Take shotguns, assault rifles, and snipers in FPS games, for example. Making them all viable and perfectly balanced doesn't make them all the same, as they are mechanically unique. Playing a shotgun doesn't feel like playing an AR, and neither feel like playing a sniper. And even if all 3 are equally viable, merely choosing one doesn't guarantee victory as you still need to hone your skill and understanding of that option in order to succeed. Having them all be viable also means you can play with ARs for a while, then play with snipers, then play with shotguns, and have a fresh experience each time. Lastly, players have different tastes. Some players are going to exclusively love snipers, some shotguns, and some ARs. Making one of them suck just deletes a portion of your player base, as they won't want to suffer through playing your game if their favorite playstyle is shit. And for all of these, the player's choice matters hugely to their gameplay experience, even though all 3 are perfectly balanced and viable.

The key here is mechanical uniqueness. If you "balance" shotguns and snipers by making them cookie-cutter reskinned ARs, then it feels like your choices don't matter.

>>712400901
>Game has holy warriors who, in lore, are regular knights empowered/blessed by divine magic
>They're worse performing than warrior/fighter classes
Name 1 game.

>>712401368
Rare Troubleshooter sighting.

>>712390553 (OP)
>game has shitloads of weapons
>literally everything is worse than the starting gear

>>712400547
>white supremacist
He worships jews and pussied out on calling Trump out for being complicit in the Epstein shit

>>712400547
Ronnie posts his comics on X. He doesn't need to advertise his X profile in them since that's where people are most likely to see them in the first place.

>>712404905
but enough about TF2

>>712390921
I wish nedroid would come back

>>712400547
What's wrong with thinking White people are good?
Everyone wants to live with us. They travel all around the world just to sneak into our countries

>>712399196
Improved

>>712404189
>devs find out
>they remove it
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE
>release a dedicated set that has an approved version of the playstyle
>it's completely gutted

>>712400728
Yes!

>>712405451
I was actually talking about Anthem. TF2 at least has a semblance of balance.

>>712399905
>game has magic
>magic is not resisted by anything and is always the strongest option

>>712405658
faggot

>>712400547
Dont bring Ronnie into that just let him make funnies

>Have to install gigabytes of DLC and updates just to play the game
>Even if you haven't purchased it and can't access it
>Have to permanently be online just to play the game for good measure
>The game can be played solo
Fuck Blizzard.

>>712390553 (OP)
>game lets you tame animals
>making animal armies isn't viable

>>712390553 (OP)
>Game has poisons weapons
>Most late game enemies are either undead or constructs that are all immune to poison

>>712398932
>reflect only works on melee attacks
>90% of the enemy pool is ranged

>>712407459
>what is rimworld

>>712390553 (OP)
>poison builds are so viable that the most efficient way of dealing with endgame enemies is just poisoning them and guarding

>>712407010
Jej

>>712390553 (OP)
arpg's in a nutshell

>there is poison skills and buffs
>the other skills also have poison modifiers
>there is gear for poison damage
>there is passives to specifically enhance poison damage
>its still not viable

>Play NEO Scavenger
>Pick botany trait
>Forage forests a lot.
>Get plenty of poisonous berries and mushrooms
>Eventually get a water analyzer before getting a saucepan.
>Now i collect as much infected water as possible
>Go everywhere around ZomZoms for at least 5 hex radious.
>Drop at least a couple of each in each hex
>Sleep then loot for a couple of days
>Start to notice a lot of dead bodies pilling up everywhere
>Check their bags and realise they actually took my poison food
>mfw i made the neighborhood secure from hobo cannibals by feeding them poisoned trash.

>>712390553 (OP)
>dark souls 2 was basically the only souls game that made poison viable

>>712407909
>dark souls 2 was the only game where everything was viable
BRING BACK THE GODLY FUCKING WHIP MOVESET YOU HACKS!

>>712407909
It's viable in Bloodborne because rapid poison is just bleed with a different name.

>>712407909
>game lets you play as a left handed swordsman

>>712390553 (OP)
>game has poison spells
>they have a low chance to hit but demolish bosses

>>712405479
are they still doing that thing where they post on their twitter, but never update their website. until they do update their website and its like 50 things at once? because they might be doing that

>Game has poison resistance
>There is only one place with poison and poison enemies, at the beginning

> poison stops at 1 hp and can never kill you
????????????????

>>712407909
>Elden Ring adds Red Poison that works on pretty much everything that isn't using it itself

>>712408658
>it's impossible to get anything that applies it until the game is almost over

>Gimmick item gives insane buff while inflicted with ailments
Love this shit, can't remember the specific game but there was an item that healed you instead of taking damage from poison while equipped, you could even self inflict poison on yourself, this would give you a massive HoT if you wore gear that decreased your poison defense.

>>712390553 (OP)
>Game has critical poison effect
Now we're talking.

>>712390553 (OP)
>Worst character who is non-support has a heal
>Can only be used when a character is bleeding
>Bleed is common, has no cooldown, heals for a lot
>Somehow one of the better heal skills in the game
If you know, you know.

>game has an element system
>game has a formation system
>game has specific buffs for certain characters
>you can completely forget about them since they're all worthless

>>712410330
That's the issue. Poison shouldn't only decrease HP slowly, but also slow stamina regen and drop attack/speed level

>>712410330
>status effects like poison are the only way to counter high defense
>they still tick off negligible amounts of health at dogshit rates

>>712400547
I hated elon while you were still sucking his cock over muh electric cars and muh flamethrower lower your tone when speaking to me parasocial wretch

>>712402494
Ronnie is comically fat

Indint get it.

>>712411563
>>712411146

>>712409334
Breloom and Gliscor in pokemon had that heal from poison + toxic orb to inflict self-poison. It was a very fun and busted strategy in gen 4 battling.

Make it /v/

>>712410330
>>712410625
or let them be used on multiple sets of enemies so you can wipe out whole squads within turns of each other instead of your single target cannon ball characters

I know someone who uses poison weapons on EVERY soul's game he plays. It's the lamest and safest way to play games like that. He'll just slowly wait for the poison to kill enemies, and it looks incredibly boring. He will just wait till he picks up the game's poison weapon/spell and then spam that the entire game. In Elden Ring it was poison breath, a spell that I feel like very few people used because it does such horrible dmg per second.

Poison builds will always be non-viable in games in which you commit to builds because even if the majority of major enemies aren't immune to poison, there's still inevitably gonna be multiple enemies that are.

>>712410330
This is the issue with every action game. Usually, burst is rewarded for a variety of reasons and enemies are weak enough to realistically consider a way to one shot them
In an environment like that, anything that is not burst damage is "not optimal". Status effects, damage over time, high defense, positioning, it is all meaningless
The latest example I can think of is PoE2. It has all these status effects, damage types, parry mechanics, but in the end, it all comes down to how fast can you push your "clear the entire screen" button.
Poison can only work in games where combat is slow and methodical, but that is too much to ask for people who cannot concentrate to anything longer than a tiktok short.

>>712410625
Usually, those are separate status ailments, and if you want to use those sorts of debuffs, you'd probably use a different build. Your answer to making poison good is by adding two or three other debuffs to its effect, but most games separate each and every debuff into its own category. A build that focuses on debuffing the enemy's attack speed is going to be a completely separate one from a poison build.

>>712413295
Playing void war and while it's not viable solo it's still a secondary tool for your arsenal, and can pull even more work if you deliberately avoid death cult sectors, demon sectors, and tech cult sectors

>>712413126
That's what I was thinking.

Also, literally no one wants to spend too long fighting normal mobs. So poison is useless in standard fights even if it DOES work because you want to end these fights as fast as possible. Any game where poison is a viable strategy to use against standard enemy types is probably slow as fuck.

>>712413098
Looks accurate already

>>712410330
>>712410769

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

what kind of poison would act fast enough to be of any use in a fight?

>>712414864
The shiny frogs one.

>>712414864
POE poisons are so fucking virulent and powerful they're indistinguishable from just hitting someone

>>712390553 (OP)
rift wizard 2
lightning gets cucked by iron imps and nature gets cucked in general

>>712414864
Various aquatic animals
Shit like a blue ring octopus or stone fish or sea snake have to kill their shit extremely fast to guarantee securing their prey or safety

>>712414864
if it dealt alot of damage, the duration would have to be dramatically shortened for the sake of balance
at that point, you'd just have a slightly different regular attack.

>>712390553 (OP)
>Game has bike.
>Enemy can cuck you with your bike by fucking it.

>>712415141
Or you could balance it by making it strong in the early game but needing a bunch of support to keep up in the late game where other builds can have more wiggle room to diversify into shit like defenses

>>712414481
I hate that the final ship you fight always turns into demons, meaning breaches don't do shit, oxygen don't matter, most things don't matter.

>>712408517
Fucking Fallout 3, cyborg perk gives poison resistance even though there isn't really any poisonous enemies in the game lmao.

What other webcomics do you read in year of our lord 2020+5?

>>712416479
Please Forgive Me!!

>>712390921
Same.

>>712393102
Play xenoblade x.
It's the exact opposite.
reflect is sex.

>>712399630
As someone in the logistics industry, a heavy object is officially 70 pounds. Even if it was a dense, 40-pound object, you wouldn't casually accept it like that.

>>712403227
This, poison in games is like 2-3HP down every turn (or something equivalent) and makes your character purple

>>712416479
Elf comic

>>712416479
Endtown
Awkward Zombie (Katie fell off the deep end politically but I'll still read her funny haha vidya comics)
Emmy the Robot is kind of cute
Litterbox comics (no, I don't care about the mom like the coomers on /co/)
and a few other things

>status effects don't matter against mobs because they die in two hits
>bosses are immune to most status effects
>game showers you in dozens of status effect skills and items

>>712414864
In the strategy game Dominions, poison is useful since it absolutely nukes stats on top of doing minor HP loss.

>>712400156
>Making every build viable makes player choice meaningless since it doesn't matter what choices you make,.you'll always succeed at the game.
I hope you are trolling, in which case, ha ha, you got me to reply.

>>712417439
As someone in a warehouse with a lot of returns from the local postal service, those fuckers will slap a heavy sticker on anything 10 kilos and up.
Sick of having to peel them off of things a normal person can hold in one hand.