Just finished this masterpiece. This was probably the best game I've played in a decade, and I'm honestly sad it's over. Glad I went with Maelle's ending. Who the fuck would actually choose Verso's ending and destroy the entire fucking game world?

>>712409207 (OP)
>Who the fuck would actually choose Verso's ending and destroy the entire fucking game world?
People who would side with the Demiurge. Or people who would call all the Greek god rapes justified.

>>712409207 (OP)
People who see that escapism isn't healthy.

>>712409207 (OP)
Kill yourself

>>712409995
It is healthy when it inflicts suffering and misery on the D*ssendre family.

>>712409207 (OP)
It's escapism. Can't you see? It's not healthy!

>he chose the bad ending
KWAB. The game couldn't make it more obvious which is the correct choice (compare the tones of the two endings, Verso being forced against his will in the piano realm, the symbolism of a duel with Maelle being both the first and last fights in the game, etc), but you still confidently choose wrong. Are you nonwhite or a zoomer?

>>712409207 (OP)
Play more games

Only reason I picked Maelle was that I never used Verso in my party so I played with who I felt comfortable with not knowing how hard the fight was gonna be

>>712409207 (OP)
Verso is my boy, so I absolutely went for his ending.
I'm a big supporter of euthanasia/assisted suicide irl, so I couldn't ignore Verso's wish to die.

>FFTA has an "escapism is LE BAD!" ending
>people shit on it
>Star Ocean has a "we're actually in a fictional simulated world!" twist
>people shit on it
>Baguette 33 has an "escapism is LE BAD!" ending and a "we're actually in a fictional simulated world!" twist
>people love it

>>712409207 (OP)
Dead astroturfed tranny game

>>712410129
Maelle ending is presented from Verso's point of view. That doesn't make the ending bad.

I find it funny that Star Ocean 3 did the exact same "twist" and was called a terrible game that ruined the story for it. Shows how times change.

>>712409207 (OP)
bros what game should I play now that I finished Expedition 33? I need something to fill the void I feel from this

so.. do people just age and die normally now in the painted world? can they bring back people who died from other expeditions or old age? im confuse

>>712410703
play all the games it was inspired from

>>712410323
>>712410629

it's almost like it matters if that twist is well executed or not

>>712409207 (OP)
I refuse to believe anybody who actually enjoys videogames thinks E33 is special or does anything particularly well. It is the most mediocre game I have ever played. Every single thing about it is average aside from the decent music. Just a fucking dull experience

No game has benefited more from the removal of the IP counter than this one. There has never been a game more reliant on blatant shilling and astroturfing for its success

>>712409207 (OP)
you have shit taste parry slop+indie over done it was all a dream and mental issues story jesus christ what trash

>>712410954
The regular mob fights started getting old very quickly.

>>712410950
It wasn't particularly well executed. The game's about as subtle as a brick constantly slamming you in the head with its pretentious "themes", and it does the same thing of showing the world has no meaning aside from being a plaything. When Renoir turned to the camera and said "This is not a game" I laughed and I clapped.

>>712410954
I asked someone before I bought the game if the devs didn't playtest this shit or something and they said it's fine. They were a fucking liar. Aside from the first few areas the game is a breeze. Even on harder difficulties it doesn't fucking matter if you can parry or not because you can do fucking 150+ million damage in a turn right after beating the paintress.

>>712410703
Wizardry. It'll be a good change of pace to go from something heavily story-based, to a game where you have to watch your every step and where party wipes are common. You can also use custom portraits.
t. >>712410956

>>712410627
This post right here reminds me that if faggots on /v/ are calling something astroturfed, tranny shit, or gay, it's probably a good game - thank you for proving me right sad nigger!

>>712410815
I've played Persona, which other games was it inspired by that you'd recommend? I've got a PC and a Steam Dick

>>712410954
Just tell us you played on Expedition mode pussy

>>712409207 (OP)
>Failed the media literacy test
OOF

>>712411347
Final Fantasy X
Lost Odyssey

>>712410954
I enjoy video games. Clair Obscur is a masterpiece.

>>712411524
based
>>712410954
retard

>>712411410
You must not know how to use pictos or build your team if you think different difficulties matter.

>>712409207 (OP)
Give me a break

>>712411471
If OP's being honest and not just a shitposter then yeah. Shit if you do Maelle's sidequest she deletes her other self because that's what they wanted, and Verso wants to stop painting. It's very unambiguous.

>>712411152
Beating the paintress is pretty much the end of the game. The final renoir fight is a cinematic boss fight. It takes like 3 minutes from the time you beat the paintress to getting to renoir

>>712409207 (OP)
me.
I wanted to pick maelle's ending, but it was pretty clear that renoir was dead accurate about her and that it would just lead to both the canvas' and the real family's demise, or at the very least was setting both sides up to fail.

>>712411851
>he believed Renoir

>>712409207 (OP)
Based. Versofags are mentally ill

>>712411689
keep coping faggot!

>>712411838
If Verso feels strongly about a painted human, then he considers them real. So erasing other painted humans makes him a real piece of shit and a hypocrite. Maelle ending is the correct choice, the happiness of a single family does not outweigh the happiness of an entire world.

>>712410954
>brown status: confirmed
Pajeet, you bloody benchod!

>>712411847
Well aside from a few fights the rest of the enemies in the game were all dead within a turn as well. Don't think I had to parry anything the moment I got out of the gestral village. 9999 damage cap? Fine, whatever, I've got attacks that hit 6/8/13 times anyway. Then, all the "challenge" fights once the fat guy learns to fly were all done in 1/2 hits from maelle. Here I am getting Verso's final weapon and he doesn't even get to use it.

>>712411984
one of the few sane people in this thread

>>712411984
Are paintings even capable of true happiness or do they simply follow their programming

>>712411889
and maelle's reactions to being called out on lying about being able to leave the canvas alone.

>>712411984
The game goes at great lengths to outline that they're facsimiles, not real. You can try and recreate a person from memory as much as you want but they won't be that person, just like the family lost their son. It's not their son, it's something else.

>>712412076
What/where is Verso's final weapon?

>>712412451
Once you can dive with the fat guy (gotta talk to him at camp) you go through a dungeon that appears in the sea between the places you fought the two Axions. It'll be at the bottom of the dungeon.

>>712409207 (OP)
>"Glad I went with Maelle's ending"

>Beloved brother sacrifices himself to save you in real life
>Rather than living your life to its fullest out of respect for his life that was given, you immediately abandon it
>Hide in the basement of your house and live in a fake fantasy world
>In the end, bring back everyone as soulless copies, similar to Neko
>Ultimately dies in the basement of her house to temporarily sustain an inevitably doomed fantasy world, playing god with what are initially meat puppets at that point
>Torture's a copy of the very brother who saved her life in the process

They couldn't have made it more obvious that's the bad ending, but similar to Alicia, her fans are delusional.
Verso's ending is simply more fitting and poetic: real Verso dies saving her in real life, and painted Verso saves her life again before throwing it away.

Lorien Testard is Jeremy Soule of this generation, Mark my words.

>>712411984
Anon, what do you think the father will do to the painting after it nearly killed his wife and then killed his daughter. Even if you want to say the painted are alive it doesn't matter, they'll be dead the second Maelle dies.

>>712411984
Every painted person died. Every single one. The only ones actually left in the world are Gestrals and the dwarfs.

>>712412762
I think their skills are somewhat complementary. Soule wishes he could write memorable combat music like Testard, but the latter doesn't even come close to Soule's atmospheric wistful music.

>>712411984
>the happiness of a single family does not outweigh the happiness of an entire world.
The world will live and die regardless. If you care so much about the happiness of entire worlds, then the painters shutting themselves away to die in a fantasy land is denying potentially hundreds of other happy worlds from even being created.

>>712412450
>You can try and recreate a person from memory as much as you want but they won't be that person, just like the family lost their son. It's not their son, it's something else.
This part's true.
>The game goes at great lengths to outline that they're [...] not real.
This part's false.

>>712409207 (OP)
Delusional people, petty people who are mean-spirited and the broken of /v/.

>>712412730
>> fake fantasy world

You have the media literacy of a toddler, the point of 80% of the story is that the paint world is as real as any other world. One of the main themes of the story is how “reality” is just a POV and a “real reality” just doesnt exist. If thats true, then choosing the reality in which you suffer the most is retarded.

>>712412762
>Lorien Testard is Jeremy Soule of this generation
Lorien Testard is Keiichi Okabe of this generation.

>>712410954
Everytime i read comments like this im 100% sure
1000% certain
FELSENFEST ÜBERZEUGT
taht people like you dont play many videogames or atleast "only" mainstream games.

The therm "medicore" is so dilutated by retards that dont understand that thousands of videogames are released every single year by now. You know what mediocre means? It means avarage, something games usually do or what you would expact from a game.

Expedition 33 on the other hand is everything right with a videogame:
1. Intiutive gameplay that is easy to udnerstand but has its depth
2. Skill ceiling that caters to causlas and people who want a more challanging aspect
3. Great story
4. Lovable characters with belivable sidestories
5. Good graphics
6. Absolute epic boss fights
7. Great OST

There are scenes in this game i will never forget:
1 The death of Gustave
2. First encounter with Renoir
3. The moment you chose Versos ending and Lune is starring at you
4. Versos ending where all your friends just evaporate in front of your eyes as a final farewell

>>712412730
>fake fantasy world
stopped reading there since it's obvious you didn't understand the nature painted world

>>712412450
Yes its something else, but its real. The game makes it really clear that they are not “fake people” part of the power of the painters involves infusing their creations with actual “soul” if you will.

>>712413156
I would add to that list

>> choosing maelle ending and having verso plead

Fuck that hit HARD, the fucking acting

>>712413093
>>712413173
>Hung up on the word "fake"
Verso's ending is for adults. Maelle's ending is for children.

>>712409207 (OP)
The question is moot because the Canvas will get destroyed in either outcome anyway. Either Clea/Renoir pull Alicia out again and destroy the Canvas, or she dies and they destroy the Canvas.

>>712413156
what about the scene when you get to [/spoiler]fuck Lune at the camp

>>712412730
>wall of cope
Do Versofags really

>>712413156
but, what about the scene where you get to fuck Lune at the camp?

>>712413135
Wrong. Testard writes his music all by himself whereas that obese asswipe Okabe has a whole team of formally trained composers to back him up and then gets all the credit as the sole creator of a soundtrack.

>>712409207 (OP)
>It was all just a dream
Gay ass tranny story. Get better taste

>>712410628
Holy cope.

>>712411984
>numbers game morality
by your monkey logic the family can just create a happy painting and it'll even out

>My three favorite games this year so far were Look Outside, Expedition 33 and Elin.
Kino indie year so far, RPGbros.

>>712413616
Did you even play the game, fag?

>>712413683
Hard to believe E33 was an indie title with how high quality it was. I still feel a void from finishing it last week.

>>712413683
>indie
dunno, Sandfall hiring a chamber orchestra and world class singer to boot kinda "disqualifies" them from being an indie studio, actual indies have to cope with MIDI

>>712413539
>No rebuttal
The argumentative skills I'd expect from a self-entitled child like Alicia. She'll learn to appreciate everything Verso did once she grows up back in the real world.
Alicia's the villain in Act 3, and her ending's the non-canon one, and that's just a fact.

>>712413823
Project Moon is widely considered to be indie and they have a higher employee count and wayyy higher budget. Yet their newest game is still dogshit.

>>712413846
>he fell for Verso's lies

>>712413846
if it's the non cannon one, why did I get to pick it then?

>>712413236
If they had soul they'd be the painters.

>>712413846
>her ending's the non-canon one
then how come versos ending puts you back in the canvas after the credits

>>712410323
>>712410629
The reason it works in E33 is because the simulated world is utterly fucked. All the Lumerians are already dead. The gods of the world are revealed to be petty people who have destroyed everything. The surviving 2 Lumerians are, at best, Star Trek transporter copies, and most likely like the Gestrals who are not truly the same individuals upon resurrection. The sword of Damocles still hangs over the simulated world's existence, because the fundamental problem that brought it into such a terrible state is unaddressed in one of the endings.

It works because, even though the game drops the ball in regards to sentience hard, it doesn't actually matter when everything has been wiped out anyways, and the only truly surviving creations are either on Verso's side (Esquie, Gestrals, and Grandis) or creatures of pure destruction (the Nevrons). It becomes a matter of salvaging what can, instead of just trying to handwave away the problem of a simulated universe like Star Ocean did.

In E33 at the end it doesn't matter that the Canvas is a simulated universe, because it is a universe that has already been destroyed. The ending choice is making a copy but condemning the world to another destruction, or accepting it is over and letting it go. It's much better than going, "Well, the world is actually fake! What a twist! But since we care really hard we can't be deleted and it doesn't matter at all anyways."

>>712413156
1 almost got me but the two biggest emotional scenes for me were the funeral and that last hug between Esquie and Mono. I've never had a video game make me that sad before.

Havent played the game, someone spoil me why does the age number tick down? Is it just the paintress or whatever being like "Im not keeping this shit up forever"?

>>712414256
It was nerve gas

>>712414079
A shitty world ruining plot twist is a shitty world ruining plot twist no matter how much piano music you use to cope with it, sorry. As you said all those simulations don't matter. It reminds the player of the fragility of escapism and punishes them for daring to care about something. How novel.

>>712414036
What makes you think the painters have soul? They are just polygons in a videogame.

Every “level” of reality is real for the people that have to live in it.

>>712414332
>youre not supposed to care
Youre absolutely supposed to care, thats what makes it a dilemma to begin with. You think the fucking opening half of the game is shit youre not supposed to care about?

>>712414256
Kinda.
It's actually her husband who wants her to go outside and touch grass keeps erasing her oldest creations. He would erase them all at once, but he can't because he isn't powerful enough, so he's doing that shit. The number you see on the monolith is just a warning that's about to strike again.

The central point of debate with the ending seems to be between people that think that the canvas is a simulated reality and people that think the canvas is a pocket dimension.

If you are part of the first group, yeah verso ending is the good ending, destroying a simulation is as cruel as closing a videogame.
If you think its more of a pocket dimension, then verso ending is a genocide, and maelle is the good ending.

>>712414332
>anon looked up the ending so he could be mad
>anon got personally offended when he misunderstood the ending
>anon thinks "addiction bad" is a personal attack on him
Genuinely funny, I got a chuckle.

>>712414691
I think it's somewhere in the inbetween point

>>712410323
>>712409207 (OP)
PLAY THE FUCKING PIANO

>>712414691
Maelle ending is just delaying the inevitable. After losing his wife and daughter, Renoir would almost definitely destroy the painting anyway. We don't know much but I'd assume even Clea would do the same.

>>712409207 (OP)
Lumiere is fucked either way, I suppose they get a couple more years to live in Maelle's ending, but its just perpetuating the cycle, it won't be long until Renoir and/or Aline and Clea realize that Maelle is going back on her promise and come in to forcefully erase the canvas.

Verso's ending just simultaneously ends everyone's suffering and forces Alicia to finally move on. It is objectively better.

>>712414691
I went with Maelle ending because Verso was an asshole.
>oh, you Painters, you think you can just decide for everybody
>proceeds to decide everything for everybody
I also agreed with a lot of points Alicia was making. Too bad the game eventually went "nah, she's crazy, so her arguments don't matter". And that's when I picked Maelle's ending out of sheer spite.

>>712414917
Everyone dies eventually anon. The fact that the universe will eventually be destroyed doesnt make that ending worse.

>>712414989
Ya gotta love the irony of the "dont police other peoples lives" crew policing other peoples lives

>>712414956
The time in the canvas flows differently. Aline and Renoir will need at least a few days to rest. Clea won't give a damn, because she's on her own crusade against game devs. In those few days a hundred years or more can pass. She allowed Verso to age and die, but she also painted a new, boy Verso, in case the original Verso dies. So she's ready to repeat the cycle ad infinitum.

>>712415034
Are you retarded?

>>712414989
Yeah, verso being an asshole is a whole different story. He even yells to maelle when she kills his sister (because thats what she wanted) and then proceeds to do exactly that with his copy when he gets the chance. He is an hypocrite but thats just part of his character, his desire to die trumps everything else.

>>712415183
boytoy verso for maelle to have fun with

>>712415296
>"let's paint the shota Verso a monster cock!"

>>712415259
Anon its clear there is some sort of time dilation shenanigans between both worlds. It could be hundreds of years if not thousands before maelle dies in the paint universe.

>>712415294
Yeah, and the irony is not lost on me, that he's VERY upset that Maelle just tells him "get over it" and forces him to live a life he doesn't want in her ending, but is totally fine with forcing Alicia to live a life SHE doesn't want as long as he gets to die.

>>712410129
>>712410628
Basically this.
Verso is a manipulative cunt betraying and murdering literally everyone in his path on his death quest and he deserves a few more thousand years in hell for what he's done.
Fuck him.
>but Maelle's escapism
>but the world is already fucked
Don't care. I exclusively give a shit about Verso suffering an appropriate amount of suffering. Absolutely poetic that he's the only real survivor of his death march.

>>712414691
Better question is should you let junkies die from overdose or send them to rehab.
Maelle fags think that dying stoned in a ditch is a good thing while verso fags think that maybe rehab is a good thing.
I am hoping we will get the ending where painting is kept but Alicia and Clea are limited in time there.
and anyway I don't there is a real world, it looks like they are already in a novel

One thing I haven’t seen brought up is the fact that Alicia in the real world went into the Canvas and was reborn as Maelle. She lived at least 16 years as Maelle in the Canvas, but was seemingly unaffected by being in there for so long… why after Act III and deciding to stay in the Canvas does it suddenly become a problem/dangerous for her to stay? Is this a plot hole or am I missing some information?

>>712415642
French calendar, anon.
Yes, they are this retarded.

>>712415697
It was already dangerous for her to stay for that long because even with the time dilation it still saps the painters of their strength. Renoir said she's been there too long already.

>>712415708
33 december....

>>712415585
Now, playing devils advocate i would argue that what drives Verso to be like that is the most “real verso” part of him. Real verso would have wanted fake verso ending, and thats why he could be in “that” place that maelle was surprised he could access (maybe it was a painter only area, it wasnt explained in the game why she was surprised he could be there).

And thats neat, that what drives painted verso to his ending is the part of him thats actually from the real verso.

>>712415642
>Maelle fags think that dying stoned in a ditch is a good thing while verso fags think that maybe rehab is a good thing.
And the joke is that for Alicia, the canvas WAS the rehab. Clea even says how much Alicia had grown during her time in a canvas. Renoir just assumed the worst case scenario and decided that the canvas is at fault and has to be destroyed, even though the canvas was just a tool. Had he chose a more moderate approach to Alicia, things would've been much different.

>>712415183
i think 100+ years in a few days is quite a stretch.

as for the time flow, unless i'm missing something we don't really know how soon after Verso's death did Aline and Renoir enter the canvas. What we do know is, by the time of Monolith Year 49, Alicia's burns in the real world have completely healed which must have taken weeks. If we assume Aline entered the canvas maybe a couple days after Verso's death if not immediately. Then a couple weeks equals around 50 years.

>>712415927
>Clea even says how much Alicia had grown during her time in a canvas
That's like saying to a coke addict "Hey you lost weight."

>>712415697
No, for me, it's just Renoir being overprotective. Keep in mind that both Renoir and Aline were chilling in the canvas for 67 years and Clea says it's not that big of a deal.
That's the issue - players don't take into consideration that Renoir can be biased as well. I think Alicia even calls him out on the fact that he's projecting.

>>712415860
Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_calendar
But it was used until 1805, not 1905.

>>712415965
>Alicia's burns in the real world have completely healed which must have taken weeks.
Anon burns that severe often take grafting and actual years to heal.

>>712415927
I thought there was a middle ground until the mother showed up again. When she proved that even hiding the canvas and her current physical state didn't slow her down I was all on board with Renoir. Then there's more reason to side with Renoir when Verso calls Maelle out on her lie. Junkies can't get better if there's a bag in the house they know about.

>>712410069
>>712410189
>>712410627
>>712410954
>>712411043
No port

>>712409207 (OP)
>Went with Maelle's ending
>Wasn't able to make the hard choice, but the right one.
>Let a Barbie world of fictional creatures' appeal to his emotions

Ah, what a shame, OP. You're a Maelle waifufag with 60 IQ. I can't take your thread seriously now and I'm laughing at you. This tells me that you would never be able to make a hard choice, even if you knew it was morally right. Maelle is a whiny bitch who wanted to live in Barbie dreamland forever with her made-up creatures/friends. She hated her family and basically felt like "Oh, well if I go back to LE REALITY, I'll just kill myself because I have no life to live in reality."

Verso was a piece of shit, but almost every character in the game had their flaws. Maelle is just as bad as Verso, so honestly none of them deserve a happy ending. Maelle certainly doesn't deserve one either. The ONLY person who did NOTHING WRONG and deserved a happy ending was Renoir

>>712415642
If the canvas is a pocket dimension you analogy doesnt work since the painted world is as real as any other plane of existance.

>>712416150
then time in the painting is way way less dense than I imagined...and Lumiere is giga fucked in Maelle's ending

Whether the people are real or not is whether you believe in a God or not. Are you real, despite there being a divine power who has created you to be you and only you? Who gives you no choice in how you live? Where any choice you make to explore and create is by their whim and you can never go beyond without the approval of their hand? I certainly don't call that being alive, but some might.

>>712414691
even if the canvas was literally just a regular ass door to a normal place where 100% real flesh and blood people are living, I cannot fault renoir in the slightest for trading all their lives for his wife and kid's.

>>712416195
>Then there's more reason to side with Renoir when Verso calls Maelle out on her lie
Funnily enough, when she lied to him, I was with Maelle on that one. Because dude has utterly failed to convince her to return home, why would she suddenly listen to her?
And she even had given him a solution on a silver platter by telling that in the real world nothing of her life remains. All he had to do was to convince her she still has something to return to, and he didn't. He just kept going on and on about how he wants his family back, without giving Alicia any incentive to be a part of this family. He actually failed to convine ME he isn't full of shit.

>>712416461
Well yeah, what makes this game a masterpiece of writting is that everyone is “right”. There is no one objectively right or wrong, because IRL there is no right way to deal with the loss of a brother/son. In the end E33 its just the story of a family dealing with a really shitty situation.

>>712414721
>You see you need a special understanding to truly fathom the deep ideas and themes behind this masterfully executed tale that's never been told before and is in no way a ripoff of better stories and games mashed into one package
Fuck off.

>>712416226
>The ONLY person who did NOTHING WRONG and deserved a happy ending was
Gustave actually

>>712416226
Renoir is literally fucking Gendo, guy will end the fucking world just to be with his waifu. Guy's a fucking loon.
>Maelle is just as bad as verso
Maelle never did anything remotely approaching backstabbing Julie, for starters.

>>712416645
Gustave wasn't real, anon; Renoir is.

>>712416628
tf are you going on about lmao

>>712416417
Keep in mind, that humans are just a bunch of atoms, bumping into each other across the unfeeling universe. We only think our reality matters, because the idea that we can be wiped out in a milisecond by some cosmic event we have no control over is a shitty perspective. On a cosmic scale, humanity isn't even worth a speck of dust. How are we different from the canvas prople then? Their "reality" is about as fake as ours.

>>712416226
This. It is so apparent that Maelle's ending is the bad route when we see her painted self live a more healthy, functional life.

>>712416793
>How are we different from the canvas prople then?
I can go further than a few miles out of the city and still enjoy new things, for one.

>Clair Oscur sequel gets announced
>Verso ending is canon
it turns out Alicia killed herself in-between games.
How would you guys take it.

>>712416625
Nothing can be a masterpiece when it doesn't have a point. Endless contention and discussion is the outcome of a midwit writer.

>>712416998
So could the painted people before Renoir blew up the continent.

>>712417040
I think the sequel will not have any returning characters

ITT

>>712409207 (OP)
>Maelle's ending. Who the fuck would actually choose Verso's ending and destroy the entire fucking game world?
grats on being a leftist

>>712409207 (OP)
>Who the fuck would actually choose Verso's ending and destroy the entire fucking game world?
Only the Kings among men would choose this. Sad to hear that you failed, OP.

>>712416497
I see your point, he could have been more personable with his argument. I completely agreed with the logic he put in it and when he keeps saying he wants his family back that includes Alicent. That little part with the tower and Verso saying she's the favorite though she can't see it was also in my mind at the time. He did at least convince his wife, she willingly leaves during his speech.

>>712416142
But extra days where in September (Vendémiaire) and it would be way cooler to write that Verso died in 13 Nivôse and calendar went to 30 days max.

>>712417040
I would like
>Maelle ending is canon
>Verso breaks free from his slavery as we are starting to see in his ending
>It's him and Monoco vs Maelle and the other evil bosses - Sciel, Gustave, Lune and Gustave's woman.
>They are monstrous now, as befits their nature

>>712415642
>>712415860
I think it was just for the symbolism with expedition 33

>>712417096
The gestral said it was smaller before, actually.

>>712417351
It's to show you that it's not our world.

>>712417098
Same logic can be applied to actual baby-making.
>Does the mother / father share a bit of their own soul when a baby forms inside a woman? or how is it formed?
If a mind created by man would be considered false, the same could be said about said mans child.

>>712416793
>How are we different from the canvas prople then?
The paint people can be erased at any moment and are aware of this fact because there's ample evidence everywhere.
Nothing in reality suggests the entire universe is going to be deleted any time soon.

>>712417485
>Nothing in reality suggests the entire universe is going to be deleted any time soon
Not that we know of at least, the people in the canvas thought they were as real as you and me, and they are

>>712416754
>they're not real because they're painted
Game rubs your face in them being real feeling, thinking, living people for about 100 hours.
>>712417097
I think you'll get Clea's autistic utilitarianism in her chuuni mage war taken to its logical conclusion. Maybe through one of the writer's perspectives. Since it's the other extreme side of the coin from Aline's perspective.

>>712409207 (OP)
Maelle youre shitting yourself I can smell it go to the toilet!

>>712417185
It's interesting that immediately afterwards, the game throws painted Alicia at us who resets Maelle's budding positivity back to square one.
Maelle even tells her "hey, I can fix you" and pAlicia just goes "nope, you can't fix that shit" and asks Maelle to essentially euthanize her.
And then Maelle has this realization that this is her life and potential future outside of the canvas. It's actually a very good scene, too bad Verso decides to make all about himself.

>every fucking E33 thread

>>712417592
Again, the game clearly shows that it's a "fictional" world, but I think a lot of anons seem to have diffrent philosophical stances on what is fictional and what determines something as fictional. I think a lot of anons are appealing to emotion and the game does a good job making you attached to this "fictional" creatures and their world.

>>712417739
Anon, our reality is fictional as well.

>>712417640
Painted Alicia is much worse off than Alicia. Her brother killed her father and wanted to kill her too to achieve his selfish goals. She has already lived for around 100 years in constant pain. She sees the writing on the wall: the entire world is doomed, because gods are psychos, heroin addicts and retards, who'd rather punch each other and genocide everyone in the process than just talk things out. Painted Alicia truly had it worse than anyone else.

>>712417640
painted alicia
>I JUST WANT TO FUCKING DIE
painted clea
>I JUST WANT TO FUCKING DIE
painted verso
>I JUST WANT TO FUCKING DIE
the soul of verso
>I JUST WANT TO FUCKING DIE
Maelle
>no

Aline - denial
Clea - anger
Renoir - bargaining
Alicia - depression
Verso - acceptance

>>712409207 (OP)
CHADerso CHADessendre is literally me

The true redpilled ending is everyone in the canvas dies and the painters also die because they're French.

>>712418106
Was it living so long? The lack of any change living the same day over and over? The way they were made? Renoir didn't say he wanted to die but he accepts it pretty easy.

>>712418106
They are all fake, so it doesn't matter what they want.

>>712418180
Renoire doesn't bargain on anything, he just wants to kick everyone out of the canvas by force.
Alicia is as proactive as everyone and is not any more depressed than the rest. Depressions doesn't mean sad.
Le cycle of grief interpretations are the 3rd most faggies brainlet theories on any fiction right after "character is in coma, actually" and "N deadly sins".

>>712418346
well from their point of view it does matter

>>712409207 (OP)
game awards slop
this game will be forgotten and won't win GOTY

>>712418416
>>712416206

>>712417739
The game shows the world is a creation of magicians. That's all you have definitive proof of.
To say the world and the people in it is anything because of its created nature, to the exclusion of all other evidence, is plainly the genetic fallacy.
>>712418346
If you concede that they want at all then they're real.

>>712418334
Well, Alicia wanted to die, because her "mother" painted her as a disfigured cripple as a joke, and she's been living in constant mental and physical pain for a century.
Clea wants to die, because real Clea showed up and repainted her into an unwilling automaton for fun, that's still perfectly conscious of everything that's going on around her.
Verso is just an emo boy. By comparison he REALLY got off easy.

>>712418106
>painted alicia
She wanted to live, before being betrayed by Verso.
>painted clea
Suffers from fate worse than death so no shit.
>the soul of verso
He is conflicted and he is more disappointed from his family turning canvas into battleground.

>>712417545
That'd just make us both fake.

>>712417545
That's not how it works retard. You have zero frame of reference that could even be remotely on the same level as theirs. You are exercising a waste of your empathy for the sake of an argument. You're retarded, much like every moron who defends Lumiere. You'll die fighting for the rights of A.I sentience.

>>712417485
>The paint people can be erased at any moment and are aware of this fact because there's ample evidence everywhere.
>Nothing in reality suggests the entire universe is going to be deleted any time soon.
Everyone in canvas thought so before fracture

>>712417412
Drawings are not equal to flesh and blood.

>>712417412
You aren't as clever as you think you are. Say that again when you have a child and realise how stupid that statement is. It's a false equivalency.

>>712418905
Keep playing the piano Verso

>>712418918
You can very well see that people bleed a lot in this game, and they are made of flesh and blood
>>712418992
Why do you start off your sentence offended? Woman or verso-frog

>>712418905
Nah, the entire argument "can be erased = not real" is just idiotic midwit kneejerk reaction and doesn't hold any weight in the first place.

>>712418910
And if god showed up and started breaking reality and deleting people, I too would be forced to accept I'm a fabrication in a fabricated reality

>>712419197
Same to be honest.

>>712419092
Painted flesh and blood. Good simulacra, but not genuine article. Painted Lives do not Matter. If they did, other Painters in the real world would intervine as soon as they'd find out about Dessendre's "crimes" against drawn people.

>>712409207 (OP)
It's okay, OP. The depth of Verso's character filters many. You'll get it eventually.

>>712419197
God already showed up before and deleted people.

>>712419197
That's all you can do. You can yell at him and get angry, but if you knew the inevitability of it all, you'll face the same ending either way. Anons cannot understand that. You exists under the whims of your creator. Your morals and philosophical arguments mean nothing in the face of such a force.

>>712419140
Leave your desk, go outside, find the nearest policemen and tell them you're a guilty of murdering video game characters. Come back and tell us how he reacted.

>>712418905
>frame of refence
That line of argument taken to its logical conclusion arrives at solipsism. It's not the gotcha you think it is.

>>712419308
Verso ending is the normalfag ending though.
It's the midwit:
>DUDE NOTHING IS REAL SHE'S ON MINECRAFT DRUGS LOL I WATCHED ACT 3 ON YOUTUBE

It is absolutely subjective whether destroying the painting or not is preferrable
However, Maelle specifically is wrong. This is an objective fact. She doesn't give a fuck about the painting, she just wants NPCs to live lives that only exist to make her happy

>>712418567
>Muh fallacy #64

There is no way the average person, or even an autistic person has every fallacy memorized. Even if they do, I highly doubt anyone is bringing that up in daily conversation. I'm aware of what a fallacy is, but I don't believe anyone would actually take it seriously or know what you're even referring to.

IE: *conversation/argument is acquiring with one person stating that other said person made a fallacy*

>>712419140
It's not just a simple argument, though it is the one that stands out the most. Everything about their world is not real. They're fake imitations. They aren't even truly made out of flesh and blood. The slain expeditions of the past and those who gommaged becoming Chroma show that. Their existence can be recycled to create new life.

>>712419484

>>712419554
Concession accepted.

>>712419484
Nigger, you can go right now to a policeman and tell you murdered your wife and chances are he may tell you to just fuck off, depending on where you live.

>>712419579
Okay, go do it and report back to us, then.

>>712419579
Weird way to out yourself like that 3rd worlder.

>>712419547
Nothing you said has any bearing on whether they are real or not.
>they are not real because... they are fake
Dumbass.

>>712419626
I know enough stories from police ignoring crimes from all around the world. I accept your concession on this one. What's you next non argument going to be?

>>712419197
I don't know how this is something people argue about, to be honest. Say you're living your life and god descends from the heavens. He looks like a person. He tells you literally everything in reality is just something he painted. That there are others like him who painted other realities. Everything you can think of is a creation inspired and derived from something in this gods' domain. Everyone alive is just a creation in the image of the gods who live there, but without the same power of creation. If he wants to, he can snap his fingers and everything that's ever existed will be gone. Everything you've ever laid eyes on is part of a piece of decoration hanging on someone's wall.
Even if I survive the colossal barrage of mental dissonance there's no fucking way I'm coming out of it and thinking I'm still real. Whatever I think sentience is, whatever sense of self I think I have, it's all just a crude approximation of the real thing. I'm to him what an internet chatbot is to me. If I think I can even begin to have real thoughts that's just an illusion.

>>712419693
Retard, if you died you don't just become stone or dissipate into a substance instantly that is then used to create new artificial life.

>>712419535
Not true at all. If that were the case she would just leave and make a new canvas to do the same in. She stays specifically because of Verso and her memories with Verso in that canvas.

>>712419808
>if you died you don't just dissipate into a substance that is then used to create new life
Anon... You are american, right?

Can we take a moment to talk about how shitty the writing for Sciel is? "Oh I am happy go lucky which means I have attempted to kill myself at least once. Also that scar over my belly? My baby died." Like the most obvious tropes ever my God.

>>712419763
They argue, because it's the pinnacle of human arrogance. We haven't faced such a reality, so it's easy to talk in circles and act like we are the ubermensch and that we'd find a way to reason or even best God.

>>712419808
You technically turn into a slab of meat that then can be used as a great fertilizer.

>>712419918
Yeah she felt kinda lackluster as a character. Still used her all my playthrough because the foretell mechanic was kino.

>>712419945
You don't even need a God to prove your point. One random comet or a sun flare will do.

>>712420045
True. And, if you wanted to scale it down, what can we do against the worst natural disasters we've experienced? Nothing. We just take it for what it is and hope to recover from it, but in the face of that disaster, all we can do is attempt to persist and live through it.

>>712419948
It is really annoying how long it takes till humans become decent fertilizer without cremation and especially Americans/Brits.

>>712412730
Director said there is no good or bad ending

>>712420045
the rest of reality would still exist even if all human beings died or the earth exploded. meanwhile a painter waves his hands and the game's entire reality poofs out of existence.

>>712420045
>>712420132
>meteor destroying planet is the same as a sentient being with the ability to warp reality
Holy fuck this place has gotten stupid.

>>712420149
We already know that director is a troll and master baiter.

>>712420201
Well, if all humans are gone, their reality is gone as well. Because I don't think the universe cares about human concepts of mercy and love for instance.

>Beings in the Canvas are not real because they were created by the Painters
>But the Painters are real despite just being creations in the Manuscript of the Writers

>>712420435
are you high?

>>712409207 (OP)
>Maelle's ending. Who the fuck would actually choose Verso's ending and destroy the entire fucking game world?

People who think it's cool to be edgy or not seeing things from Maell's POV. The Dessandres are pretty much gods to the people in Lumiere. These people live, love, procreate and die. They're just as mortal as the rest of us despite living in a pocket dimension. Just because you have the ability to create life doesn't give you the moral authority to snuff out an entire world because it's inconvenient.

My only gripe is that Verso going giga Thanos was less believable because he spent who knows how long bonding, especially if you took the time to get everyone to Rank 7 relationship and did all; the side content. I wish there was a third ending where Maelle and Verso manage to come to an accord where he gets to die and be reborn to live a life in Lumiere outside of the shit hand he was given and is allowed to play piano and grow old, with the stipulation that Maelle will leave the canvas when her friends age. Just lick it behind 100%ing the game.

I chose Maelle because I understand her problem. Living in 1920s France and being a cripple, if rich, would suck for her. No friends, a depressed family, no life. The best she could hope for was an arranged marriage to some old bastard to "continue the Dessandre bloodline" and even then the kids wouldn't keep the family name. It's a shit hand for everyone involved. But between destroying a whole world/living as a crispy mute and dying in a happy illusion able to laugh, speak, and love...well I don't think anyone would willingly choose to stay a cripple.

>>712420019
I can agree to that for sure.

>>712417040
Kinda sad, but if there's ever a sequel Clea should be the protagonist anyway.

>>712409207 (OP)
GOOD MORNING SARS EXPEDTION 33 IS GOOD GAME THIS STORYTELL IS THE MASTERPIECE I LOVE MAELLE SO MUCH GIVE ME MAELLE WOMAN PLZ!!!

The writers aren't writing stories, they are writing music.

>>712419539
Evidence of origin is only evidence of origin. When you make an illogical leap from something's origins, to say that origin is the reason something is bad/good/fake/true/anything: that's the genetic fallacy. We just say genetic fallacy because it saves me most of this paragraph you've gone and made me type out.

The painted people may well not be consciousnesses in the way we understand it within the game's universe, but you can't prove that just by saying they're painted.

>>712409207 (OP)
Based.

>>712420734
>>712416206

>>712419308
>he says
>while being the one who is filtered
The depth of this game's writing is incomprehensible to many.

>>712419535
>She doesn't give a fuck about the painting
Retard-san, she spent as much time with the people in the painting as she did with the people in the other world. She obviously cares about her family.

>>712420936
Since he can't exist outside of the canvas that's very telling, yes.

>>712420526
>giga Thanos
Tipped your hand.

>>712419851
>verso, verso, verso
She grew up in there, without Verso.

>>712419918
>Can we take a moment to talk about how shitty the writing for Sciel is? "Oh I am happy go lucky
Are you aware that you don't understand human emotions? Sciel was very well written.

>>712418024
What kills me in this scene is that she's just so done. I can hear her voice cursing his name. The situation they are in is because Verso didn't give the letter to Maelle, who could have maybe reasoned with the real Renoir. Gustav would never do such a selfish thing.

any other 'deep' games that evoke emotions?

>>712418180
>Verso - acceptance
Weird that both his parents thought it would be deception. They must not know him as well as the people who were charmed by him.

>>712421134
Nah the whole "I am chipper and le epic snarky because I have le trauma" is just poor writing. Guarantee this character was written by a man.

>>712417109
I don't think not wanting to kill people is inherently leftist. You're giving them an undeserved win with that one.

>>712421204
I urge you not to think about how in the hell Verso managed to seal the already opened letter for no reason.

>>712421393
He must have left it to dry too since he did drop it in the ocean. Maybe he wanted his sister to think Maelle hadn't read the contents.

>>712410129
>compare the tones of the two endings
Alicia pondering suicide as Gustave and co eager her to join them in death isn't a good tone LMAO.

>>712418918
>>712419292
In what meaningful way do they differ? I don't think you're capable of finding a single one.

>>712417040
I will not accept any twist except Verso being the leader of the writers.

>>712419292
Good news anon, humanity in this realm is actually a bunch of clay golems sculpted by Yaweh so nothing we do matters. Best we all die right now.

>>712416417
>Who gives you no choice in how you live?
>Where any choice you make to explore and create is by their whim and you can never go beyond without the approval of their hand?
You should read up on your God lore. Free will is an essential team that the writers stressed over and over again. Same for the people in the canvas who rise up against their creators, so you're not doing much better on your game lore.

>>712421520
You know, I would be interested in a sequel that goes ballsy and shows that this Disney Channel approach that Verso's ending proposes didn't work out.
Because why should it?

>>712417485
>The paint people can be erased at any moment
Oh, I guess you are immortal and would be completely fine if an asteroid came for your planet or the sun decided to go supernova.

>>712419197
I'm going to still be real when the tribulations start.

>>712416226
>with 60 IQ
Nice projection, since both of those worlds are just as fictional and part of the same video game. But within the video game there is no difference between people in the canvas or the regular game.
Bot of them have emotions, dreams, desires, free will and creativity and you'd have to be retarded to not see this because you spend 40 hours with them. The guy in your picture? He sees them as people to, which your brain would have understood if it weren't so retarded when it saw him apologizing to one of the painted people.

>>712415697
I think people weren't meant to overreact to her doing the paintress face, since every other painter in the story already did that once.

>>712415797
>It was already dangerous for her to stay for that long because even with the time dilation it still saps the painters of their strength
No way that 16 years is anywhere near there, when Clea was talking about Renoirs 67 years with the words "has been in other canvases for much longer, he's fine".
>but she is weak and stupid
I don't think that's the case. She defeated her parents while they were in control of the canvas and its energy and Renoir thought she had a lot of potential too, judging by her Axon that reaches for the skies.

>>712421759
It's still the good ending even if they off themselves. A fake world being forced to live out its days for the whims of a child is bad, as is trapping the last bit of her brother's soul who just wants to stop painting.

>>712415183
>>712415296
What if the kid who looks just like one of Gustave's apprentices is actually just Gustave's apprentice?

>>712421801
if the sun explodes, everything else in the universe still exists
if renoir decides he's having a bad day, the game's reality ceases existing entirely, because it's fake.

>>712422135
>forced to live out its days
Literally the only faggot who wanted the world to end was Painted Verso. The Expeditioners all fought to survive and to create a path for those who come after, they didn't fight so the suicidal genocider got to die and bring everyone else alongside him.

>>712419763
>>712419197
Sheep that you are, that would wouldn't submit so easily to those above your station because it's convenient. I bet you'd let God rape your mothers.

>>712414917
Saving an 8-year-old from drowning is just delaying the inevitable, because he'll die of old age 80 years later. I am very smart.

>inevitable
>almost definitely
See, there is even room for hope that there will be immortality before the 8-year-old croaks. Maelle could negotiate with the iconoclasm of her father.

>>712422218
>everything else in the universe still exists
Actually, no, it doesn't. Because your reality begins and ends with human perspective. What's the diffrrence between a giant void in canvas vs a gisnt void in space where the planet Earth used to be?

>>712422128
She defeated her mother only because her father weakened her, and the same for why she defeated her father (remember how mom came in and helped? I do.). She gets ganked later by a guy who can't even use painter powers, no way she'd be able to take either of them on by herself.

>>712422191
They're all way older. Like 20+ years older in the ending. There's no gommage anymore, Gustave's apprentices are like 30 now. There's no need for Gustave to have new apprentices either.

>>712416461
>I cannot fault renoir in the slightest for trading all their lives for his wife and kid's.
Yeah, but I think the fact that Renoir clearly sees them as people makes him a much more interesting characters than the people who think "Renoir is willing to delete his Pokemon safe file for his family, what a hero" describes him more accurately.

>>712409207 (OP)
>Who the fuck would actually choose Verso's ending
People with functional brains?

>>712422353
>They're all way older.
I wonder about that. Maelle and Verso definitely look older, the others not so much. This would also clearly be Lune's and my son. Not another Verso.

>>712422419
Quoting Marche isn't helping your case, retard. He's a meme for a reason, because he's wrong.

>>712422419
In FFTA, Marche was an idiot who wanted his friend to stay in a wheelchair and accept being lesser. The only reason his "plan" had any merit was because the fantasy reality was going to take over the mundane world IIRC.

There's no threat with that in the Cavas.

>>712414917
If Alicia dies in the Canvas Renoir is 100% commiting sudoku. Not only will he lose Aline again, he would only have Clea left who merely sees him as a tool for war. He brought this upon himself.

>>712414079
Something that can be brought back to its original form is not destroyed. Water does not die by being poured from a tall into a flat container.

>It works because, even though the game drops the ball in regards to sentience hard
The game goes out of its way to show Lumerian's as artists, inventors and even rebels against the ones who have made them. What more could it do except spell it out in crayon?
>it doesn't actually matter when everything has been wiped out anyways
>because it is a universe that has already been destroyed
I guess they really should have had a crayon mode for some people. You write as if you are a reasonable person who understands things. Please reconsider.

>>712422482
He's meme because he's right. Reign in your autism.

>>712414332
>As you said all those simulations don't matter
You are absolutely hyper retarded if you think that that's what the game is saying. You are absolutely hyper retarded - to spell it out for you, since you are absolutely hyper retarded.

>>712422703
He was the villain of the game for a reason.

>>712422560
>The only reason his "plan" had any merit was because the fantasy reality was going to take over the mundane world IIRC.
He didn't know that btw. He was going to commit genocide and force wheelchair because he was jealous. He didn't have any selfless reason. Just like Verso, just only reason for the genocide is him wanting to die.

>>712422419
Friendly reminder that Verso's only advice to Maelle is in the end "create yourself a new canvas, lol". Because even he cannot refute her argument against returning to the real world.

>>712416206
bing bing wahoo...

>>712422703
>He's meme because he's right
That doesn't even make sense lmao. If he was right he would just be any other protagonist. He became a meme because he's blatantly wrong.

>>712413823
I get that the term indie is pretty hard to define, but "the game has an orchestra" as a defining element of that question is new.

>>712422560
You're only lesser if you think you are.

>>712422472
Lune is also visibly older.

>>712413723
I quit when the footfag appeared. At that point the “story” was painfully obvious

>>712413436
Would you rather die today or in 70 years? The consistent answer would be that it doesn't matter, the fact that you keep putting in the work to keep breathing means that you don't believe that. Checkmate atheists.

>Either Clea/Renoir pull Alicia out again
Don't think they can do shit. Renoir already lost and he's in a much worse position powerwise now. You can ask Clea about that when you enter the Canvas.

>>712423007
>Quits when /v/ joins the party

Genocide is good actually.

>>712422963
You convinced me. Now the only question is why I couldn't make it to the opera at that day.

>>712423007
>I quit when the footfag appeared.
Good move.

>>712412730
>>712413968
no u

>>712423119
Maelle decided to gommage only you specifically.

>>712413135
Lorien Testard is Lorien Testard.

>>712423174
>mfw

What kind of retard goes of and lets Alicia die in a day?

>>712423094
Hello Seymour from FFX.

>>712412762
He's going to be accused of sexual misconduct, his wife is going to say "I don't know if he did it, but he probably did even though there's no proof whatsoever, because fuck this man," and he'll fade into obscurity?

>>712423094
>Genocide is good actually
>Enslavement is good actually
Those are the real choices the game provides the player.

If you think Verso is wrong in any way, you didn't beat the game and you don't have a shred of loyalty to your family.

>>712411152
>it does the same thing of showing the world has no meaning aside from being a plaything
That's like people going "Life Is Beautiful" is a movie about how tanks are cool and then getting mad because they don't think that's a fitting message for a holocaust movie. That's obviously not the message of the movie. The fuck did you even watch?

>>712410129
>compare the tones of the two endings
They're a contrast and neither are good, one begins with a nightmare and ends hopeful and the other begins hopeful and ends in a nightmare. Almost like... Clair obscur/chiaroschruo
Sorry you were too dumb to get the entire point of the game

>>712423094
I also ma pro-Israel.

>>712423451
They're not his family. His sister and I are.

>>712412730
>Dessendre all together
>Maelle get to live on as Verso wishes
>Maelle see her painted friends waving goodbye at her
Yeah Verso ending is actually the happy ending, it's not as dark as Maelle ending that one second Maelle face decaying was pure horror

>>712423451
It goes both ways. If my family didn't have a shred of loyalty to me, I am not required to give a fuck about them.
Hell, Clea even tells Alicia this.

>>712423553
Instead Maelle sees the visage of her only friends die in front of her while her family leaves her alone at her brother's grace (she will likely hang herself in the coming weeks).

>>712423627
Grave, even.

>>712410954
In my experience it's mostly the "I've been playing vidya for over 20 years and Expedition 33 is really special" kind of people who love it. I might be projecting a little bit there.

>>712423742
I think it also helped that it was only 40 bucks

>>712423627
Stop living a lie and face the truth, that's the moral of E33 story

>>712423627
>instead Alicia says goodbye to the fantasy world as she finally faces the reality of her brother's passing, sad but ready to embrace the life that he gave her
Yes

>>712410703
Near Automata is the one game that has a similar feeling to it, rather than something with similar game mechanics. At least that I can think off.

>>712412730
>Rather than living your life to its fullest out of respect
Can you blame her, she's living life as a one eyed, mute burn victim who's probably in chronic pain from the burns.
of course she would rather live in the world her brother made, where she's whole and happy instead of the mildly abusive family in the real world.

>>712422748
Only if you think junkies running away from reality is a good reason.
>>712422845
Except he was the protagonist and he won in the end. >Ritz learned to sport her white hair like a boss.
>Cid got a new job
>Mewt toughened up and handles bullies better
>Doned is on his way to be a pro-gamer and guide writer.
They all owe it to Marche and his intervention.
Man, I wish Alicia had Marche in her life, the good lad would straighten her out real good.

>>712423742
I've been playing games for over 20 years and expedition 33 is nothing special. It has components from a whole bunch of other games and I don't think it does a single original thing. It doesn't even do most of those things particularly well aside from building up an insane hype train.

>>712410129
>the good ending
brainlet take

>>712423945
I don't trust you beacuse
>It has components from a whole bunch of other games and I don't think it does a single original thing.
only idiots and liars think like this.

>>712423834
>I've faced the truth. It sucks.
>now what?

>>712410628
And versos ending is presented from maelles point of view, they are paired endings meant to be viewed and discussed against each other

>>712423949
>This is about a world where people genuinely care about each other
Do the Dessendres care about the Lumerians?

>>712424054
Now make it suck less with your effort.

>>712424101
Do you care about chatgpt waifu you built for yourself ?

>>712424054
what does empty socket sex feel like?

>>712423880
Versofags think that people should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and accept a shitty reality that has nothing going for them.

>oh you got hit by shrapnel and you're all scarred and ugly, lol just walk it off bro
>your father rapes you? you probably asked for it
>wife left you and took the kids? that just happens bro.

Guarantee you they'd sing a different tune if they ended up a crispy nugget like Alicia. It's one thing to be born crippled, it's another to become crippled and lose all your agency.

>>712424112
>just unburn yourself and grow a new eye and vocal chords
This is what you sound like.

>>712424054
Now you face out, you hold out
you reach out to the truth of your life, seeking to seize whole moment to now break away~

>>712424018
Tell me a single thing it does that's original then. I can tell you which game did it first.

>>712424101
Everyone but Clea and Renoir seemed to have some sort of attachment to their creations.

>>712424175
How about raise your head high, put your best effort into everything, appreciate all you can get and do. Show the entire world that all that has been done to you isn't slowing you down one bit. How does that sound?

>>712424235
>>712424235
is it because they actually "care" for them or is there some expediency involved? with Aline and Alicia.Because I wouldn't call it "caring" if they simply want to use the Lumerians as a coping mechanism.

>>712424175
>bro if your life sucks just become a drug addict! It's easy and fun!

>>712419763
You sound like a little submissive sissy bitch.
What if god descended from heavens and wanted to poof everything out of existence, but we caved his face in and told him to GTFO? What now, you fucking homo?
Half JRPGS are about punching the shitty demiurge in his face until he understands the error of his ways and doesn't fuck with his creations. E33 is the same.

>>712424298
>How does that sound?
Pretty shitty once you realize that the world really doesn't give a fuck that you now have to put 200% effort into something that other people do effortlessly.

>>712424298
That works for minor things sure. But life hampering crippling? Yeah good luck getting anything but pity if you end up mute/blind/etc. from an accident. More often than not you lose your friends and family if you get shit like cancer or other things of a similar detriment.
>>712424378
People get addicted to many things. Sex, caffeine, porn videos, video games, trading stocks. What's your point? Everyone has a coping mechanism because life is shit and because our brains defense against such shit is dopamine. People will chase whatever hits that button. If someone paralyzed from the neck down wants to smoke weed, why is that bad?

>>712424378
The joke is that, this is what Verso proposes Alicia in the end.
>just create yourself a new canvas!
>wasn't the game comparing canvases to drugs just 5 seconds ago?
>dunno, don't care, figure something out, I'm dead now

>>712424519
And that's where you're wrong kiddo, because the world DOES in fact give a fuck that you put effort into things. Here's a list of nice things that happened to me after I started to haul ass:
>lost 20kg in 6 months
>started to earn +£1k above my expenses
>developed a possitive look on life
>Got compliments from female workers on progress
And I'm just a lousy blue collar in TESCO.
What's your excuse?

>I don't want this life

Same same.. If there was a button to end this simulation for everyone I would press it too.

>>712424764
>Got compliments from female workers
You call women "females" still? Or do you work with dogs?

>>712424607
>That works for minor things sure. But life hampering crippling? Yeah good luck getting anything but pity if you end up mute/blind/etc. from an accident. More often than not you lose your friends and family if you get shit like cancer or other things of a similar detriment.
Sure buddy. Keep telling that to yourself.

>>712424607
>Yeah good luck getting anything but pity if you end up mute/blind/etc. from an accident.
Keep in mind, Alicia is a burn victim. People will be averse to her just for how she now looks. Believe you me, that the first reaction most people will have for her will be "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOUR FACE" even if they'll try not to show it, because that's how humans work. And that might bum you out a bit.

>>712424831
Oh noes! You hanged up over a single word! Whatever shall I do!? Ok buddy, now tackle the rest of my post.

>>712424764
You're preaching to a crowd that copes and wallows in their own despair. There is a reason the Maelle ending/Canvas world resonates with them over the reality and positives of what Verso's path gives you. Good on you, though. Anons are fucked in the head.

>>712424867
Nice roids and gang tatoo.

>>712423451
>Verso's family
Renoir thinks he's a liar, Aline thinks he's a liar.
>Verso's actual family
Painted Alicia thinks he's a traitor and doesn't even want to see him anymore. Just wants to die.

If a handsome mad would tell you to kill your family you would do it, Mr. loyalty.

>>712424607
>People get addicted to many things. Sex, caffeine, porn videos, video games, trading stocks. What's your point?
Stop pretending to be retarded.
You still need to function as a normal person with those addictions. I compared entering a canvas specifically to drugs because it completely erases you from reality. We saw in the game that when you enter it you just stand frozen in front of the paiting like a zombie, you might as well be dead to your family.
>If someone paralyzed from the neck down
Well good thing the character we're talking about isn't a quadruplegic. She has lost an eye and is burned but she's still capable of doing most things the human experience has to offer.

>>712425014
I know, that's why people like you and me have to make sure they have nowhere to escape. If they lash out at us then maybe they'll realize they could channel all that force into uplifting themselves.

>>712425073
I mean lets be real here, all Verso does is lie and betray others. It's his nature.

I'm thinking the fire was some kind of betrayal from the real Verso as well.
He wants to be a writer and write sheet music.

>>712424940
Mhm, you're just another loser living in a headcanon fantasy. Nobody cares.

>>712425085
She lives in the 1900s. She's mute, burned over most of her face. What exactly do you think will happen to her? Best case she gets an unhappy marriage and domestic abuse from some french noble who bought her from her family because no man willingly wants to fuck a piece of bacon who can't speak. She sucks at Painting so there goes the one thing in common she has with the rest of her magical family.

>>712423553
>>Dessendre all together
Alicia standing all alone on the sidelines, while Clea just walks off.
>Maelle get to live
Most anons would kill themselves if they would have to live with those injuries.
>forgot to mention that all the people Maelle spent half her life with dying
At least you have a "b-but the painter power face" in there.

>>712425085
>She has lost an eye and is burned but she's still capable of doing most things the human experience has to offer.
Well, she can't speak. That's a bit of an issue when you try to communicate with people. Most of them don't have time to wait for you to write something for them on the piece of paper.

>>712425204
I know you are, but what am I?

>>712423834
That's just you being incapable of understanding complex things. The canvas is clearly not a lie, because real beings live in there.
You can tell that they are real the moment you think about what being real means.

>>712425283
The fact that the Canvasites can procreate is more than enough proof they are real beings. Robots and AI can't have sex and make babies.

>>712424112
>just unburn your lungs so breathing doesn't hurt
>just unblame yourself in the minds of your parents for causing Verso's death
>just unthink about the traumatic experience of having an entire world of sentient beings you grew up with die
just fuck my shit up senpai

>>712425213
>She sucks at painting
We talking about the same person who brought the whole world back to life in the alternate ending?
I like how people say "ddddduuurr she's a burn victim!" as if a painter who can literally create worlds will be hampered by their lack of ability to speak. I guess Beethoven should have just offed themselves too.

>>712424829
I wouldn't. Life is beautiful and the world is just.

>>712425349
>>712424298

>>712425215
Does she dye her hair red now and go by Maelle

>>712425213
And that's ignoring the possibility that she might just die from sepsis or some respiratory issue in a few years time.

>>712425367
Try playing the game. She struggled to bring back Sciel and Lune, and the only painting of hers allowed in the manor is a tiny little thing you can barely see. Clea is the Painter of the family, and Verso the Musician. Wanna know what Maelle is? Here's a hint, look up Stendahl, one of her moves is named after the guy.

>>712425367
>as if a painter who can literally create worlds will be hampered by their lack of ability to speak.
Didn't we just compare canvases to drugs? You can't have it both ways.

>>712425213
>no man willingly wants to fuck a piece of bacon who can't speak
Sounds literally perfect

>>712425446
True, the bootstrap anons have no idea how shit life was like back then if you got injured.

>>712425504
I think it's supposed to be an allusion to the Stendhal effect. You know, the guy who got so enamoured by the beauty of some painting he had a heart arttack?

For me it was just that the boy, the last shard of rVerso soul admitted that he actually wants to stop painting. I was dead set on letting Maelle live in her escapist painted paradise, but at the end of the day she is not the owner of said paradise.
I still went with Maelle's ending at first, even though I knew I may regret it, probably because just like Renoir I wanted to believe in her, but what I was presented with felt like a gut punch with how artificial everything seemed (except of Verso's suffering I guess kek). Then I went with Verso's ending and while I didn't 100% like it as well, seeing how the characters who were actually original residents of this world understood and accepted it (also mentioned earlier verso's soul shard) I think it sits better with me. Though in my headcanon Alicia just recreates Verso's world as her own painting and fucks off to live there anyways.

god i also want to be in a loving relationship with verso and then be betrayed and killed by him

>>712425863
>Though in my headcanon Alicia just recreates Verso's world as her own painting and fucks off to live there anyways.
She can't with Verso's soul fully gone, but some lesser version of it for sure.

>>712425863
>For me it was just that the boy, the last shard of rVerso soul admitted that he actually wants to stop painting.
You talked with that boy throughout the game and he tells you how he loves painting, how all those people are real in his eyes and how he is sad that his parents turned his canvas into a battlefield.
I don't think it's right to take that one leading question at the end and decide to make him disappear over that. It's kinda like weird activist moms pushing their sons into trooning out. Trooooooooons!

>Though in my headcanon Alicia just recreates Verso's world as her own
I think it's very obvious that you can't just make a perfect copy of a person. That's why the painted Dessendres are their own people and that's why the people in the new painting would be their own characters.

>>712409207 (OP)
>This was probably the best game I've played in a decade
tourist

>>712410323
>>712414079
Verso's Canvas is not fictional or simulated in any way within the context of the game. The Painters create worlds by painting and create life within those worlds by painting.

The entire point of the game is built on the fact that a family of assholes have by the start of the game doomed a real world and its real inhabitants (even if Alicia wins Renoir will destroy the Canvas once she dies/leaves it).

>>712425863
I can see why the soul fragment's situation resonates with a lot of people, but there's a part of me that feels his dilemma is kind of cheap. They introduce this extra moral question in the very last scene, inside of a random magic room that the other characters who have a very strong vested interest in what happens to him can't enter because the game says so. It feels like the hand of the writer conspiring in Verso's favor because his decision would ring as too selfish otherwise. I'm not saying you're wrong to want to help him, but I didn't really enjoy the complication his theoretical suffering introduces. (>>712426323 is right in that beyond his being "tired," we aren't really sure what he wants. Neither Verso nor Alicia actually bother to ask.)

I still chose Maelle because I wanted to save the people of the Canvas more than the family, but I recognize that there's a weighty cost to it.

>>712409207 (OP)
>Verso's ending

People who dont care about the game world and only the ham-fisted "le message" they like. Those people dont understand the lore or the world building and just project onto Verso's sadboy feelings.

>>712426570
Yeah, that's my feeling as well. You already had a good moral dillemma between Verso wanting Alicia to return to reality and Alicia pointing out that for her "reality" is misery AND the question of whether the canvas is real or not, plus you had this whole question of whether Verso is even morally allowed to make a choice for everyone. You didn't need to introduce this "Verso's soul" thing on top of it that only muddles the issue.
Also, the "mechanics" behind this whole soul thing are do poorly explained, that for me, it became a non-factor, because I couldn't relate to the issue in the slightest.

>>712423553
>decaying
It's paint you dumb mongoloid

>>712426484
They're doomed from the get go.
Verso created Monoko and Esquie but the game outright states that most of the world was populated by his mother.
The entire world is a playground created to coddle a mentally ill woman. The inhabitants are like those smashed and slammed bullies - it's not their fault but they were a mistake and they shouldn't have been born.
Now they're either erased by a God being or enslaved for eternity by another God being to coddle her instead of her mother.

>>712426323
>You talked with that boy throughout the game and he tells you how he loves painting, how all those people are real in his eyes and how he is sad that his parents turned his canvas into a battlefield.
Yeah, you're right, but the way I interpreted it was that he loves the painting, but at the same time he knows it can never get back to being the peaceful world it used to be, because sooner or later another conflict is bound to happen
>>712426570
>I still chose Maelle because I wanted to save the people of the Canvas more than the family, but I recognize that there's a weighty cost to it.
Totally get it, since it was more plan through most of the game as well, but in the ending itself, they all felt somehow off. Like they were not fully independent being but rather puppets being controlled and the fact that they showed us Maelle's painting face certainly didn't help. If there was an ending where we can actually erase pVerso and the post Lumiere looks more like it used to back in prologue I'd pick it without second thought, but this one, I don't know, it was just to unsettling for me to be satisfied about it

>>712427181
>The entire world is a playground created to coddle a mentally ill woman. The inhabitants are like those smashed and slammed bullies - it's not their fault but they were a mistake and they shouldn't have been born.
>Now they're either erased by a God being or enslaved for eternity by another God being to coddle her instead of her mother.

People have a real hard time looking at it from this perspective; the game does a good job of getting the player wrapped up in the Dessendres affair and gets you inherently caring about them in a rather divisive way.

>>712411689

>>712427963
>but at the same time he knows it can never get back to being the peaceful world it used to be, because sooner or later another conflict is bound to happen
That's what sold me on the idea that thd Dessendres are all inherently emotionally immature people. Because it's like being forced to destroy every single rake in town, because your family can't stop stabbing themselves with them. At this point it's not the rake that's the problem.

And then the game tells me that the emotionally and physically scarred girl is going to be fine staying in this batshit family. Sure, why not.

>>712427963
the weird no-dialogue cutscene is definitely meant to invite interpretation, but personally I don't buy the puppet thing. the whole story would just be really really different in a lot of ways if the painter characters could just out-and-out control people. if you meant that in a less direct way that Alicia fundamentally can't have healthy relationships with Canvas people, then...I'm not sure I agree, but I admit I can't refute it. Even if I accept that to be true, though, you have to remember that they still have relationships with each other, that have nothing to do with Alicia. those are as "real" as anything can be to them, and I wanted to save those too. I think they're too valuable to burn away for one family's emotional salvation, even if their suffering is very real.

DESSENDRE

>>712409207 (OP)
Verso's ending is correct.

>>712427181
>>712428000
>>enslaved
Painters do not have mindcontrol powers. Neither Aline nor Renoir could control the people attacking them. Clea could not simply change painted Clea, she had to completely mangle her.
>ree woman
It doesn't matter who made you when you clearly exist. Your parents being fuckups or a lying shota changes nothing.

>>712429245
I demand that you get a better picture for your post.

>>712424481
You sound like the stupid guy who gets erased to set an example

GOTY 2025
keep crying and seething

>>712409207 (OP)

Maelle isn't just a woman, but a 16 year old woman. Why the hell would you allow her to make a choice?

Renoir was being a good dad. Hope he keeps his bitch on a leash from now on.
Also Clea is right

>>712409207 (OP)
no matter how hard you shill it I will never play it

>>712430920
>Painters do not have mindcontrol powers.
They have the ability to kill you in a snap of a finger though, and Maelle is sitting right next to you, you think you're saying "no" to her?

>>712433126
and they kinda do have mind control powers when they can repaint people; whatever she did to Verso at the end to force him to play the piano could happen to anyone of the lumerians.

>>712432374
I made the choice and I chose not to wipe out such a beautiful world, filled with such good people and creatures.

>>712409794
But Maelle is the demiurge.

>>712432374
If Renoir was such a great father his family wouldn't be in the state it is. His hardheadedness is exactly why things escalated to the point they did and I don't see how his plan would have worked out if Alicia hadn't gone into the canvas to force things to change.
I wouldn't be surprised if Clea was his only living child a couple of months after the Verso ending no matter which ending you chose.

>>712410703
Im playing ff16 and now verso is trapped in another world where Maelle is putting the shoe on the other foot

>>712426484
>The entire point of the game is built on the fact that a family of assholes have by the start of the game doomed a real world and its real inhabitants (even if Alicia wins Renoir will destroy the Canvas once she dies/leaves it).

Thing is that the whole situation would be salvagable for everyone IF Aline and Alicia proved that they could do the Canvas in moderation, removing the need to destroy it. But since they're fucking addicts, it's unavoidable.

Destroying the Canvas doesn't actually fix anything.

>>712424054
Grow up, and live your life to the fullest. She'll eventually find a man with a burn victim fetish out there, I'm sure.

>>712412787
This is an under-valued point.
There's definitely a question raised of "Can you accept that death has happened? Or will you delude yourself that it hasn't?"
Just like Aline can't allow Verso to have died and throws a shitfit at the expense of her new creations and her family, Maelle does likewise by remaking a bunch of people who never get to be their own people. That Sophie & Gustave are one day old but are forced to play the role of the Lune that was killed.

"We must accept things as they are, not as we want them to be."

>>712436329
Lune and Sciel were brought back with their memories intact, including ones that Alicia wasn't privy to. Esquie independently verifies Sciel's. Given that, I see her bringing them back as akin to restarting a stopped heart with a defibrillator to bring back a "dead" person, except it's magic paint bullshit instead. How "real" they are after being brought back isn't really a question we have the information to answer, but I'm of the opinion that it's still worth doing. I get the impression that you don't.

...lune??

>>712422672
It can't be brought back to its original form. Verso, Clea, & Aline painted the inhabitants - without them only people Alicia is very familiar with (Gustave, Lune, Sciel, Lumiere in the abstract) can be recreated even somewhat faithfully...and then we have to consider that Alicia is the least skilled painter of the family.
No matter how well intentioned, she lacks the skill or the memories to bring things back precisely.
That said, even if she DID have the skillz this is also a Ship of Theseus. No matter how perfectly you reassemble someone, they're a new person. A star trek transporter copy as another anon put it. The Gestrals and their resurrections reinforce this.
So, Maelle didn't resurrect her friends.
She created a bunch of new people wearing their skins of the ones who died (and where possible imbued with their memories) all to die again once she does and Renoir destroys the canvas.

>>712437921
>It can't be brought back to its original form
Source?

>>712410629
Retarded weeb

>>712409207 (OP)
>people still arguing over which tragic ending was the better choice
Only midwits would focus on this. There's literally no difference between the two in terms of moral superiority and the writer LITERALY says this in interviews.

>>712437921
They've been saying this for months and there's no proof whatsoever in the game

Men chose Verso
Wom*n chose Maelle

>>712438358
Oh, I know. I have my preference, sure, but really I'm just bored.

>woman gets face scarred
>NOOOOOOOOO MY LIFE IS OGRE AHHHHHHHHH I HAVE TO DIE I CAN'T GO ON PLEASE DADDY LET ME KYS

>>712438358
I prefer maellefags and versofags fighting, than the John "game should have ended at act 2" Brainlet (ignoring literally everything in game).
Feels good to play a good game.

>>712438491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWd1QSLFDk0
Three men. All of them played Planescape Torment, Xenogears, Lost Odyssey and other classics (one of them is responsible for PST's translation). All of them are avid readers. All of them chose Maelle.

>>712438358
>and the writer LITERALY says this in interviews.
Only because he needs to justify having 2 endings and not alienize his audience who wanted to chose Maelle
Cinematography is not only its buzzword, Maelle's ending makes everything with its picture, colors, character expressions, and even a fucking jumpscare, to make you understand it is a bad ending
It's not that deep, she is escaping life by ruining someone else's art without understanding it

>just ignore the last wishes of my dead brother's soul.
She is literally no different than the fat hambeasts that stay glued to Second Life or WoW and shit themselves on the daily.

>>712439118
>he needs to justify having 2 endings and not alienize his
the writer is not a man, anon

>>712438884
>Literally who, played old RPGs
>just like hundreds of thousands of people
Bro, at least give your own arguments instead of linking literally-who-ecelebs' video (in fucking polish, too). You're not a drone, are you?

>>712439221
Anon i'm replying refers to the game director's interview in the "bazar du grenier" channel. Even if he did not write everything, he still is the guy that leads the thing

>>712439127
>>just ignore the last wishes of my dead brother's soul.
He's dead, who the fuck cares. You are not obligated to fulfill a wish just because it was a dying one

>>712439497
A low effort shitpost deserves just as low of an effort answer.

Verso is time to stop you're painting cringe

>>712434237

>Blaming Renoir for his dumbass daughter getting his son killed
>Blaming Renoir for his wife becoming a selfish junkie

Dude did everything in his power to save what was left of his family

>>712412450
You are confusing 2 concepts
Painted people have their own thoughts, free will, mind and soul - they are completely real people
Maelle can't recreate people, if she painted Gustave then he wouldn't be the same Gustave she knew - just her imagination of him

>>712439669

You kinda do when it's your fault he died

>>712440151

Yeah, it's not the same Gustave you played as. They foreshadow this hard with the whole story about how the Noco that Monoco resurrects is not the same as the one who got killed

>>712438884
Szkoda tylko, że to pizdy są a nie mężczyźni

>>712409207 (OP)
If you went Maelle ending you didn't finish the game nor understood the story

>>712414691
Which honestly is a bit of a misstep on behalf of the devs, the sentience of its inhabitants, the most contentious aspect of the endings is entirely overshadowed in its portrayal by other themes like escapism and the question of how much control an artist should have over how their art is used (I rarely see that one being discussed tho, despite the fact that I'm pretty sure it was brought up more in dev interviews compared to "escapism bad")

>>712441536
Wrong on both accounts

Why should I care about the Dessendres? What's one redeeming quality they have aside from the love of their late brother/son?

>>712441576
It's intentional, Act 3 is told from the perspective of the Dessendre family who generally don't give a shit about their creations' autonomy. If they make a pAlicia DLC they'll tackle the issue again from the perspective of the painted people.

>several decades pass and Maelle begins losing cognitive abilities or gets fucking dementia
>canvas world becomes hell

>>712439669
normally I'd agree but when his soul and a copied version of himself tell you they want to stop this farce you should listen.

>>712442484
the soul says a lot of things over the game, waffling both ways. Neither painted-Verso nor Alicia actually ask it what it wants at the end. I think that's part of the "we're both hypocrites" angle.

>>712409207 (OP)
>This was probably the best game I've played in a decade
oh god here we go again
yes dude
NO GAME IN A DECADE WAS BETTER
just shut the fuck up, man

>>712442970
>NO GAME IN A DECADE WAS BETTER
Correct.

>>712409207 (OP)
the problem with the story is that we know the "real" world of the game is also fake and made up by a few assholes

>>712437330
I don't but I can see where you got to where you are. Credit where it's due to the writing.

>UE5 ASSet flip
>masterpiece
I would side with Verso solely because my Uninstall Wizard powers also allowed me to destroy the gaym world after playing this faggy redd!t abortion for two hours

>>712438119
>>712438402
The reason it's never cited is because it depends on your philosophy outside the game world, not some spelled out conclusion within it. Your answer to the Ship of Theseus or the Transporter debate will in part determine whether you think the 'new' Lune or Gustave are the same person 'unpaused' from not existing or if they're new creations. Personally I believe a person is more than just the sul of their materials, but this debate is ancient for a reason.

The game itself doesn't go out of its way to decide one way or another, which is on purpose I think. If it was a clear answer then Maelle's ending would be more objectively fucked.

>>712442970

>>712443938
for what it's worth, it's not like I don't acknowledge that different interpretations are plausible. since we probably aren't going to get any more information on the particulars of how the magic system works, though, in the end picking an ending is more a personal judgment call than anything. I wanted to save the lives of the Canvas people, and the Alicia ending either does that, or sort of does that, or does that with an asterisk. My ultimate moral justification could more or less be summed up as "knowing what I know, that's good enough for me." maybe there will be problems for them down the line, but I think a precarious tomorrow is better than no tomorrow at all.

>>712443084
KCD2 is better desu
>t. actual experienced gamer

>>712446213
Wrong.
>t. Veteran gamer

>>712409207 (OP)
Yeah it's rad.

>>712438884
>Krzysztof M. Maj is making rounds on 4chan
Now that shit wasn't in my bingo.

>>712409207 (OP)
he did nothing wrong

>>712409207 (OP)
verso is easily the correct choice

>>712409207 (OP)
>Who the fuck would actually choose Verso's ending and destroy the entire fucking game world?
Mentally ill megalomaniacs. No matter how you slice it - one families emotions don't trump a functioning, thriving universe.

How big even is the world in the canvas? Lumiere seems like a small-ass place. Is there even any place for humans to thrive and grow in such a small world?

>>712426570
>They introduce this extra moral question in the very last scene
To be fair, the final twist is teased many times whenever they talk about "the soul of Verso inside the painting". It's just cleverly hidden by the fact you would assume it's a figure of speech and not his literal soul.

>>712412730
You miss one important point about verso and his ending. Painted Verso is more than any other character extremely selfish.
When Maelle snaps painted Alicia out of existence Verso shows his hand completely, he sees it all as hypocritical because he is an extremely selfish jackass who really wants to commit suicide at the cost of everyone else.
There is nuance in there because Maelle and his mother are selfish in different ways but for the most part painted Verso wants to die and fuck everyone else.

What a boring fucking game. Graphics are ok, ost is decent. Gameplay is utter shit. Parry all the time, for all encounters. The story is seriously about a bitch with coping issues. That's it, that's the story

LE ARTISTIC PAINTRESS SUFFERING

Bro one of your family members died that's it. That's the story.

I wanted a god RPG, and after reaching the island, the whole plot is meeting and getting help from this little le funny quirky people, and get it? It's funny! They are a bit dumb but innocent? Get it? LAUGH AT MY ART PLEASE ITS QUIRKY.

I've been playing games for close to 25 years.

This is a run of the mill RPG, idk why people are so charmed by it.

Then again most of the games coming out are shit. Getting something average is an accomplishment nowadays.

Enjoy your family drama.

What a dumbass game lmao

What's the difference between the yellow and red flower petals?

>>712421369
>I don't think not wanting to kill people is inherently leftist
It's two people.
If you choose the Maelle ending the cycle continues and you are condemning an unknown amount of people
idk about leftism (I think that anon was just culture war baiting) but there is an ending where the Dessandre Family faces their grief and there is an ending where everything begins again and we even see the seeds of the next cycle sprouting.

>>712409207 (OP)
shill campaign game

>>712409207 (OP)
The reason why I picked the Verso ending is because Aline fucked his painting up. Then, the family drama inside it caused further damage. Verso never even wanted to paint to begin with. While he loved his one painting, he hated what became of it and wanted to stop. Verso's soul and pVerso both agreed it was too much, and they didn't want it anymore. Verso did nothing wrong. If they left the painting alone, it could have all been avoided. The painted people of the painted do deserve to live, but not at the expense of Verso's tortured soul. His family has problems.

>>712454759
Gestrals are grandis are sentient beings as well worthy of considerations, they are also living beings.

>"Painting or not, she had feelings, and a soul. That's what I think, at least, but I know she thinks differently. For me, everything in this canvas is as much alive as what is outside. Esquie, the gestrals, the grandis, even Aline's paintings. I welcome them all, Painting should be a celebration. Just like music..."

>>712442727
his literal final words are
I don't want this life
I don't want this life
I don't want this life
three times in a row.

>>712455874
I sometimes think Maelle ending fags are just players that didn't do any of the optional content and skipped all the dialogue. It's pretty obvious the entire canvas is a fucking mistake.

>>712455874
yeah cuz he got bugged he is not thinking clearly, he needs his meds.

I just finished this game and feel a hole in my soul. What other games can I play that are even close to as good? I was thinking about playing FFX but there’s no way I can go back to anime level story or boring standard JRPG mechanics and combat now

>>712456394
Literally the opposite, the game clearly shows its a world on its own with living sentient beings worthy of life. The only problem are Dessendres messing with it

It was a simulation/dream/game/painting is dogshit writing, especially in a medium where the story takes 50 hours to play out. No ifs and buts.

>>712456510
That was me 2 days ago. Play something massively different. If you go for a game of similar style it might be ruined for you before you even begin.

>>712455874
>anon just let the world die they're not real people
>NOOOO YOU CANT LET PAINTED VERSO SUFFER AAAHHH
Painted Verso is pathetic as fuck and nothing like the real Verso. Real Verso would've been a stoic male who would carry the burden of the world. Aline painted him to be a real ick, huh.

>>712456646
>It was a simulation/dream/game/painting is dogshit writing
congratulations on missing the point
please kill yourself, since you're just a simulated entity while god is on hiatus

I thought about this a lot. The only true good ending would be if Aline and Renoir killed themselves as recompense for playing God and giving life to a world that never asked for it, only to then try to destroy it and fuck with it after giving it life. That or they should just all live in the Canvas forever. True good ending.

>>712456510
VTMB
Nier
Outer Wilds
Disco Elysium
Black Souls

Or >>712456695 go for something that is pure gameplay with little to no story. Wizardry, Factorio, Zachtronics. Underrail has a story, but it's vastly overshadowed by its combat.

Go full /tv/ or /lit/ if you feel truly desperate.

>>712456695
What are you playing now? Any recs? I was thinking of maybe Nier Automata or God of War… maybe Metaphor

What is it about the bad ending that attracts nonwhites? Is it just because saar sees a pretty lady and must side with her?

>>712456969
Holy based. Imagine if the Dessandre family just offed themselves and the canvas world could just continue on indefinitely

>>712409207 (OP)
all my niggas love gus.
https://youtu.be/ztbPkvqRiGg?si=qyvRFyeW1DSyb8GZ

>>712457057
Play through Nier Gestalt/Replicant first. Automata takes a long while to get going, while the OG draws you in from the get-go. Plus there are returning characters from the original Nier

next thread

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>>712456969
>The only true good ending would be if Aline and Renoir killed themselves

Psychopath take. The good ending would be Clea's proposed solution. Get Renoir and Aline to reconcile and find common ground, which allows Maelle to enjoy herself in the canvas only once in a while without having to guard it with her life due to Renoirs threat of just wanting to burn it as soon as everyone's out. The whole messaging is literally to not fall victim to extremes and instead grief and enjoy in moderation.

>>712412787
>>712436329
You're not dead if you can be fully brought back. When Sciel got brought back she still knew the things that happened in her past. Things that Maelle had no way of knowing.
It's like saying you shouldn't give somebody CPR because people who's heart stopped beating are dead and bringing them back is meaningless.

>>712457057
I was going to play Metaphor because the lead of E33 says it's one of his inspirations but I want to enjoy it and not have it shadowed by this game.
>>712457021 has some good recommendations but I went for Eu4

>>712410129
>V*rso suffers
But that's literally THE best part of Maelle's ending, along with R*noir suffering.

>>712439127
>after telling you all game how much he loved painting, how he understands that his and his mother's creations are alive and just wants the fighting to end he had a sad moment where he nodded to a question
>so I decided to erase him
You're literally no different than a hambeast who bullies her 5-year-old into being a self mutilated faggot.

>>712456934
It's a waste of time to make such a point take up 50 hours, tard. A cohesive world would be a much better craft during that time.

>>712457447
>along with R*noir suffering.
Daddy issues anon...

>>712457439
>the lead of E33 says it's one of his inspirations
Didn't he say that he disliked and dropped Metaphor? You might be confusing it with Lost Odyssey.

>>712442307
The Paintress was pretty out of it by the end and she still didn't mess with people. Things would be fine. You just have to keep explaining the same stuff without acting like a cunt over it when dealing with dementia patients.

>>712457256
All I wanted from the ending was to see my boy again. Shame they didn’t give him any dialogue

>>712457680
agreed. was still good to see him genuinely happy and reunited with his girl for that brief amount of time

>>712442970
>NO GAME IN A DECADE WAS BETTER
I understand that it's hard to quantify that when you compare Expedition 33 to something like Factorio, Europa Universalis or Counter Strike, but in its class/type of games it is fully justified to pick this game as your favorite.

>>712446213
Didn't enjoy that one as much because the pacing was weird and the plot points were very repetitive.
You get captured, your stuff gets taken, stealth section, get your stuff back this happens 3 times. Then there are 4 major plot points that entirely get solved by there being conveniently placed secret tunnels that nobody except your people know about.

>>712457439
I was thinking of playing Metaphor too, but after playing E33, the combat in Metaphor looks painfully boring and simple. Also not sure about the story but it sounds like generic anime fantasy, which wouldn’t hold a candle to the story/world of E33. JRPG type games (if you can even call E33 a JRPG) may just be ruined for me now

>>712410129
its not that is wrong, its just that its childish. "yeah lets stay with my bros for all eternity, i cant grow up and improve as a person, let me stay in fantasy realm forever"
shut up. evolve. grow up. dont be a coward. if anything. your dead relative parted to another world, he wouldnt want you to stay in stuck in place forever. FUCKING GRIEF AND MOVE ON

>>712456646
filtered

>>712456510
I still prefer FFX to E33

The game is amazing because it makes it seem like there are two equal options for the ending. When you really look closer, you see it's it's either A)the white person, correct ending or B)the ending only chosen by nonwhites, zoomers, or people with family issues (see:nonwhite or zoomers). It's the illusion of choice that really sells the ending though.

>>712457517
Not a single thing gets devalued because of it, it's a reveal that adds more depth or additional dimensions to the story. It's a good thing when you aren't a retard who is trying to fit in by spouting "it was all a dream = bad, I saw it in a youtube video once! Do I have taste now?".

>>712458040
Yeah, only a retarded zoomoid would choose to support the D*ssendre family over the people of LVMIERE

>>712457365
I want to congratulate you for having non retarded opinions. Congratulations.

>>712458040
Anon says shit like this but was sperging out whenever his dad screamed at him for playing too much video games instead of getting a job

>>712457447
>along with R*noir suffering.
Renoir kinda gave in when you defeat him. He kinda understood that staying in the canvas is probably the best for his daughter for now. That's why he just left, even though he knew that Maelle was most likely going to stay.

>>712457938
I'm probably going to get BG3 on the summer sale if it's on discount and cram it full of massive titty mods.
>>712457602
Oh, I'm not sure. I was just going by that little social media bio that often got posted on here. You could be right. I played Lost Odyssey on the 360. Was pretty enjoyable too but I was young. Banged through Planescape: Torment after it as well (blind run and then a guide run to 100% it)

Versobros how do we convince the sheep

>>712457945
You know what isn't childish? Not wanting to live in a maimed to shit, mute, half blind body where you skin starts tearing whenever you move too fast, where the simple act of breathing is painful surrounded by a family who is blaming you for the death of your brother.
You would kill yourself in her shoes. No amount of some internet faggot telling you to "just grow up and stop having human emotions" would change that.

>>712458372
Sorry anon, your projection doesn't affect me because I'm not a zoomer. I'm 37, with a wife and children, so I understand the importance of family. I recognize that Renoir was entirely correct and respect his sacrifice of his selfish cunt daughter. He knew she was going to spend her life LARPing, which would kill his wife too, but did it out of love. Thankfully, Verso was there to rectify the situation.

>>712458683
it does affect you because you replied and you're clearly not doing anything else with your life

>>712458731
I'm """working from home""" aka getting paid to shitpost.

>>712458623
imagine having all that AND being painted at the same time

>>712458815
you're not or otherwise you would spend it with your family, which you dont have. you're just posturing saar

>>712458623
Based and true

>>712458623
>people have lived and done amazing stuff in worse conditions
>waaaaaaaaa my waifu hates it
>where you skin starts tearing whenever you move too fast, where the simple act of breathing is painful
you can jump, roll and run as her even burned, you know.

>>712458886
Ah, the classic zoomer backpedal. I accept your concession. I hope you're only underage, not nonwhite, so you'll be able to eventually understand why you chose the wrong ending. Just give it a decade or so.

Why are you letting a 16 year old girl with her whole life ahead of her commit suicide?
>she's a crispy cripple
Cripples can lead dignified lives

>>712458876
And how did she end up?
Oh yeah, she killed herself.

>>712458623
i know its not easy to move on when you have a dead brother. im not saying "stop having emotions". once someone close to you dies, that marks you forever. not moving on is a sign of mental damage, and it needs to be cured. you have to relocate emotionally that loss. cant be stuck frozen in time. thats not healthy nor human. you have to integrate that pain to keep on living.
as for your own body... yeah, it also sucks a lot. but anything can be done, we have a human spirit. maybe you wouldnt be able to come to terms with it, and maybe you die without being fully happy. but there are also people on wheelchairs, having cancer and all kinds of fucked up situations who still have a positive look on life because thats what it is all about. and it is all we know we have

>>712459125
Because of simping.

>>712458623
>Not wanting to live in a maimed to shit, mute, half blind body where you skin starts tearing whenever you move too fast, where the simple act of breathing is painful surrounded by a family who is blaming you for the death of your brother.
She doesn't have to. She's throwing a tantrum.

>>712459125
Illiterate retard please. Burns of that severity never stop hurting. She will either become an opioid addict and eventually OD on morphine, or off herself.

>>712458623
>surrounded by a family who is blaming you for the death of your brother
People really let Aline's conflicted feelings about her daughter cloud their judgement of the whole family.

>>712459125
You don't let her commit suicide, you let her chose to live a live in a different way. She is in fact not immortal outside of the painting.

>Cripples
She isn't missing a leg, she is in constant pain. It's not like your brain disability that doesn't hurt. Her future is pain killers until she's a zombie or jumping off a bridge.

>>712459563
To be fair, Clea also isn't particularly supportive in this manner.
Also, notice how Alicia literally tells Renoir she blames herself for Verso's death and he doesn't even try to dissuade or console her. He's not exactly a father of the year.

>>712444957
I think that's totally justified and part of the aim of the story.
IRL we rarely get to make wholly informed moral choices, so too with Maelle

>>712459336
>Its okay if i destroy your world and kill your friends, just find new friends
The only one throwing a tantrum is Verso. Different canvas is not an answer.

>>712411984
>So erasing other painted humans makes him a real piece of shit and a hypocrite
He explicitly says he's a hypocrite. He gets called out by pRenoir repeatedly. Lune and Sciel give him the death glare.

>>712411984
>the happiness of a single family does not outweigh the happiness of an entire world.
My family's happiness is worth more than the lives of everyone in Lumiere.

>>712412450
>It's not their son, it's something else.
It's *someone* else. That's why everyone condemns Aline for what she did by painting the people of Lumiere. That's why Renoir apologizes to pVerso. They're painted people, not fake people.

>>712460967
>not fake people.
they are fake and the game proves it by just making Gustave and the expedition itself not matter at all once act 3 gets started.

>>712459948
>I killed Verso and I can only feel joy again with his copy inside this Canvas
Why would you expect him to console Alicia when she's trying to once again pull his strings by bringing up the advice he gave her to justify her escapist fantasy?