What went wrong with Final Fantasy?

>FF16: 3 million on PS5
>rebirth: 3 million on PS5
>remake: 5 million on PS4
>stellar blade: 1 million on PS5
nothing.

Barry found a new game to pit against FF.

ban steam charts threads

>>712445883
Sounds like PC chads have better taste.
>>712445942
Who?

>>712446089
Some guy who got asshurt about /v/ hating FF15 so he spams threads hating on every FF game after.

>>712445709 (OP)
What happened to not buying timed exclusive games at full price on PC?

>>712445883
>>stellar blade: 1 million on PS5
2 million as of february this year*

>>712445709 (OP)
you forgot one

It's made by a company entirely composed of talentless old boomers who are so high on their own farts they think anything they do is amazing, thus don't take feedback well, and all their games flop.

>>712445709 (OP)
Barry are you okay? Barry are you okay?
Are you okay, Barry?
Barry are you okay? Barry are you okay?
Are you okay, Barry?

>>712445709 (OP)
does anyone unironically even like ff anymore?
as far as i can tell it's just indians posting tifa's tits

>>712450951
Never understood what's up with people randomly dropping common names as if they knew the shitposter personally. Is it just a meme?

>>712450951
kek

>>712451925
At some point FF fans made up their own schizo so they could rationalize the fact that 99% of the former fanbase hates FF games now.

>>712445709 (OP)
>coom vidya released on the plattform with the biggest trannies
Geee I really wonder what happened

>>712446089
or PC is full of coomers, gacha games have hundreds of millions of players

>>712445709 (OP)
Unfinished game stretched to 100 hours and weird mario party minigame collection with kingdom hearts ghosts.

>>712445709 (OP)
Stellar Blade has it's own audience which it cultivates.
Final Fantasy has spent the last two decades pissing all over their audience.

>>712452061
that makes sense

>>712451925
I wonder why

>>712452061
99% of the current fanbase are just FF14 players

>>712445709 (OP)
picrel, followed by XIV 1.0
It's not even because of the products themselves but because of the damage they caused which led to all sorts of terrible decisions.
Also FFX, which could be forgiven for being their first PS2 title, but every mainline afterwards only drifting further away from core FF shouldn't have been accepted, XV is a particularly egregious FUBAR point they should have never been allowed to double down on (with regards to the mainline shift to action).
Not to say I'm not guilty of not realising how bad things really are until recently myself, so I imagine the average person might not even be questioning how far we've strayed from God yet, but I'd be glad to be wrong.
Things are bad but they need to get much worse before the fucks in charge at SE (reminder Kitase doesn't get enough shit) start trying to salvage the franchise. I don't want to say it but honestly FF (mainline, at least) might just be better off having a hopefully decent at least send-off game and retired for other projects where passion still exists.

Bonus: dev times are way too long. Mainline FF up to XI was basically a yearly franchise. Even if that is not feasible today, they really should find a way to slash dev times in half. That could be somewhat fixed if you consider the 7R games to be mainline entries, I just consider 7R an abomination but even if I didn't it still doesn't really replace a mainline.

>>712445709 (OP)
FF games are just shit, not hard to understand.

>>712453745
This. Can't keep shitting out slop and expecting people to keep buying. Make better games.

>>712453484
What am I looking at? Beside some mass replyfag from 2 years ago.

>>712455990
People falseflag as this "Barry" figure so hard that mods actually have to ban them to make them shut up. These, as I kindly called them "people" are mostly Indians.

>>712445709 (OP)
Nomura. Simple as that.

>>712445709 (OP)
they fell into remake-hell
no series, no matters it legacy, can survive remake-hell

>>712457737
>remake-hell
To me, the problem with remakes it that companies don't seem to understand that remaking inherently decreases the value of their games.
If a game is remade, it is saying that the old game, the game you might have enjoyed, is shit and needs more work or better graphics or to be more streamlined or whatever. It is an admission that you, as a company, have made a bad game and that the game needs to be remade for it to be better. This not only shits on your credibility, but also shits on the fans of the game you are remaking. Doubly so if the old fans don't LIKE the remake (see FF7R).

Now you've entered Hell because now that you've devalued your franchise, you're going to have to spend decades (plural) and dozens of games to slowly grow back player faith in the brand. But in the modern AAA industry you aren't going to be employed for decades more and you won't be making dozens more games in the series.
Remaking games is an inherently flawed idea.

Final Fantasy really broke one particular autist to the extent EVERY new game exists solely to shitpost about Final Fantasy.

>>712458608
7Rfags start shit with every other game and now it's coming back to haunt them because every other game is outdoing 7R.

The funniest part? The only game they get to successfully dunk on now is XVI, another FF game. Now you all have to work overtime to post about Barry as much as possible whenever anyone (rightfully) laughs at you. Be GRATEFUL to Barry for giving you the gift of delusional cope. Thanks to him you can pretend everyone who laughs at you is all one guy.

>>712459237
Rebirthplebs especially spent the entirety of last year shitting on practically every other game, claiming GOTY was right around the corner.
When they lost it was hilarious.

>>712458608
Stunning lack of self awareness

>>712459536
So many of them act in the exact same way as Barry. It's like being an FF fan poisons your brain.

>>712445942
It honestly gets so fucking boring and you can see it coming a mile away. Idk who it is but they nonstop pitting random games against final fantasy games. If we had non niggers mods they would ban all stream numbers threads

>>712459752

NTA, but I can't say exactly what, but somewhere around FF10 something... happened, to this series. It was like the merging with Enix put a permanent curse on the companies first-born child (in this metaphor that's Final Fantasy) which was from then on doomed to ever-sinking mediocrity. Somehow this downward spiral turned into a religion for their dwindling fanbase, a kind of chicken-run to see who could defend the worst piece of trash most ardently for the longest. Because if they could just pretend it was great for ONE more game, FF would be great again, right?
It's a bit like a doomsday cult who is sooo sure that the leader wasn't REALLY serious about all those other dates, this one though, this one for sure!
It's lunacy.

>>712445709 (OP)
Only appealed to Snoys because they had no exclusives.
Steam users have higher standards.

>>712460234
So what will happen now? SE have sworn off exclusivity. Will they finally get Stellar Blade numbers?

>>712460769
>SE have sworn off exclusivity
I will remind you that Square Enix recently released a remake of Bravely Default exclusively on the Switch 2.
Now that deal might have been made before they made this change, or whatever, but I wouldn't hold my breath on day-1-mulitplat every time from now and forever.

>>712445709 (OP)
It fails to attract new players and the old fans don't seem particularly satisfied with the direction the series took

>>712445709 (OP)
give me a normal rpg that is difficult and turn based with many options

not action slop with no rpg mechanics and shitty easy combat

>>712445709 (OP)
square enix

>>712459536
Rebirth actually is kino and the best game SE has made since the merger, but holy shit the fanbase is full of fucking lunatics. Barry deserves his win.

>>712445709 (OP)
Not being a faithful remake.
FF7remake being very short.
Not giving you a lot of options.
FF7 rebirth being badly optimised.
Rebirths story being an utter mess.
Rebirth cutting content but then extending others such as temple of the ancients (which goes on forever).
It's bad ending.
How the side quests mean nothing.
Story and characters being changed.
Cait sith is terrible to play as.
Tifa feels extremely weak in rebirth.
That god awful final battle in rebirth.
Zacks story making fuck all sense and coming across as Disney tier shit.

Theres a LOT wrong with the FF remakes but its square enix. I'm not surprised they dropped the ball

>>712445709 (OP)
they stopped making games they wanted and started making games the shareholders wanted

>>712460054
>NTA, but I can't say exactly what, but somewhere around FF10 something... happened, to this series.
Sakaguchi got the boot and from then on the series became a zombie with none of the original creators working on it anymore. FF11 is the last game Sakaguchi had input on and it shows.

>>712445709 (OP)
>its another "FF rent free" hate thread
kek

>>712445709 (OP)
>Episodic demakes masquerading as sequels that nobody wanted

>>712445709 (OP)
Being shit for 20 years

>>712445709 (OP)
sweetbaby devs = woke games = do not buy

>>712445709 (OP)
they abandoned their roots so they alienated old fans while failing to attract new fans

>>712445709 (OP)
Square was hoping for that kind of support when they ported their shit to steam

>>712445709 (OP)
YOSHIDABROS
OUR 18 MONTHS PLAN
OUR 30 MILLION XIV PLAYERS
WHY COULDNT THEY SAVE XVI

>>712445709 (OP)
I'm glad XVI flopped
Not only is the game full of faggots and trannies, but it even forces players to sit through an unskippable scene of two ugly faggots kissing, it's seriously disgusting

>>712464052
I couldn't fucking believe he stood up there and made a big deal about how he can play the game with one button. Who the fuck thinks that's something worth bragging about?

Rebirth and Intregrade are more playable than FF16. They still not that good, but FF16 wasn't very good. Probably the quickest honeymoon phase has worn off me because I was already tired of it half way through.

>>712445709 (OP)
Squenix decided that what the fans want from them is the thing that'll make them the most money but that ain't what the fans wanted.

>>712445709 (OP)
It used to be for nerds and dorks.
Now it's for girls and normies.

>>712464052
I find it funny they were based for not crumbling to pressure and keep XVI nigger free but then have le based gay bahamut with unskippable gay kiss.
Its like they HAD to have at least one woke shit.

>>712445709 (OP)
FF should stick to turn based games and let the more talented devs make action games.

>>712464052
XVI would have been a 10/10 for me if not for this clear act of pandering to westoids who consumed Game of Thrones. Defenders of the game will say "Oh well he was actually a really well written BLT character!" And to that I say there was never a need to make him gay at all. If the symbolism was about his strained relations with his father the king, you could have accomplished the same thing by making him a heterosexual sex addict who visits brothels and has no desire to take the throne in his father's place. Literally anything else could work just as well.

>>712445709 (OP)
>stellar blade over 180k
NONONONO XISTERS THIS WASNT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN!!!!

>>712464134
difficulty settings have existed in vidya for about 40 years now anon

what i don't get is why he thought a traditionally turn based fandom like final fantasy would want a watered down DMC

>>712464740
Yoshida fucked up XIV with leftoid bullshit as penance to the games urinalist mafia for not having niggers.

>>712464740
>Its like they HAD to have at least one woke shit.
That's pretty much how it works, yes. It's part of negotiations when distribution discussions take place. "What percentage of your product's characters will be POC? How many will be LGBTQIA2S+?" (Yes that's actually the official term now). They have to take Ls somewhere in order to get their game published and distributed by corporate jews

>>712445709 (OP)
they stopped being good over 20 years ago
square enix is an awful company

>>712451070
It's in a really weird state where I think most of the fanbase from when it was a system seller have moved on. They were absolutely KILLING IT in the PS1 era where even spinoffs like Tactics were kicking the ass of everything else. The old guard has moved on and if Yoshi P's complaints from ARR are correct they have been in the habit of hiring people that don't play video games. Granted he said that 10 years ago, but if that was a Wada thing, then even trying to pivot at that point was a lost cause.

>>712464812
The fag kiss is like the least of XVI's problems dude. That game is trash.

>>712445709 (OP)
Nothing, PC faggots just have shit taste, so they ate up the coomer game only a million of us Sony chads bought.

>>712460858
They said they were going "aggressively" target multiple platforms at launch. BD was probably a holdover from beforehand and will be a timed exclusive at worst.

>>712451070
I still love Final Fantasy but that leaves me in an almost permanent state of rage when I look around and see what the series is doing lately. They have all the tools they need but SE is just permanently retarded. I can only hope E33 gave them the example they needed, because for me that was the true FFXVI.

>>712445709 (OP)
>What went wrong with Final Fantasy?
It stopped playing like Final Fantasy.
Combat stopped being like Final Fantasy.
World design and progression stopped being like Final Fantasy.
Outside of style, modern Final Fantasy just isn't Final Fantasy any more, that's what happened to Final Fantasy.

>>712464859
>what i don't get is why he thought a traditionally turn based fandom
Yoshi reads forums. People bitch here and every other game forum I go on about turn-based games being outdated or excel spreadsheets or whatever fucking constantly. FF hasn't performed to Square's (admittedly crazy) expectations in almost 20 years outside of their MMO revenue. They chalk up XII, XIII, and XIV's "failures" to not being turn-based.

>>712465440
XII and XIII are ATB just like IV through IX.

>>712465440
to being turn-based* is what I meant to say

>>712445709 (OP)
>Went wrong
Their single-player games haven't been that popular for decades now. Before 7 remake even began development. FF17 should be a Path of Exile clone + gacha if they just want to make money.

>>712465534
menu-based turn-based what the fuck ever.
the action-babies won't pick up the game either way because they have to navigate through menus to fight.

>>712445709 (OP)
Tifa fatigue

>>712445709 (OP)
>wake up
>it just kept rising while I was asleep
Based

>>712445709 (OP)
Square Enix has been ridiculously incompetent and out-of-touch since the merger. It's only through the Dragon Quest team (the only division that's not retarded), FFXIV (lost most of its goodwill), and the massive hype for FFXV (which showed 15 million gamers that SE doesn't know what they're doing) that they survived through the 2010s.

>>712465440
i'm aware that yoshi-p does browse relevant forums, and i'd even wager koji fox frequents here. i do wonder where he gets these ideas though, are the japs really bitching about turn based combat when dragon quest games coming out are a national holiday?

and i don't for a moment believe he gives a shit about western fanbases

>>712445709 (OP)
wokeguard sisters... not like this...

>>712465731

>>712445709 (OP)
SE needs to be nuked.

>>712465881
>2023.
What a fucking retard you turned out to be.

>>712465805
He gets them from the FFXIV fanbase. If you've ever had the displeasure of interacting with them like I have for the past 13 years, they hate video games. They hate RPG mechanics, they hate menus, they hate methodical gameplay. They want fast paced button mashing. XIV's gameplay keeps trending further and further into the same action combat design despite being a hotbar MMO to satisfy this, and he decided XVI would be the same way but designed as a button masher from the outset. That's why even the eikon abilities in XVI are on MMO style cooldowns. They're the same game, but XVI requires less buttons to press.

>>712465805
>and i don't for a moment believe he gives a shit about western fanbases
It's absolutely the case though. They got a whole ass sensitivity team to overlook FFXIV's expac story because he offended some SJW journalist with not having black people in FFXVI. The Japanese audience has been consistent with sales and reception of the series for fucking ever, it's the western audience that has been slowly slipping

>>712465984

>>712445709 (OP)
But Maximilian told me Final Fantasy was selling well and that Stellar Blade was gooner slop

>>712466149
>Posting revenue from companies that sell hardware.
What a fucking retard, you continue to be.

>>712445709 (OP)
Final fantasy was never good

>>712445709 (OP)
Relied on nostalgic factors too much plus censorship, yeah censorship is always hurts

>>712465731
Thanks a lot DQ. SE will never die at this rate.

>>712466060
>Methodical gameplay
What methodical gameplay, you can mash through the menus doing random actions in 7 and X and still win.

>>712464812
I don't get why LGBT faggotry is associated with Game of Thrones. Lorras and Renly being faggots was often mocked by other characters (see Tywin and Olenna). Pedro Faggal's character being bissexual was illustrative of how sexual deviant the people from Dorne are. All the major characters (all the Starks, all the Lannisters) are all straight. Daenerys is straight.
If a game like FFXVI had scenes making fun of homossexuals like GoT does, we'd call the game based as fuck.

>>712466121
i think that was a certain localizer who gave him the old 'if you don't do this certain groups will get angry at you' extortion racket

>>712466686
I thought SE had unreasonable expectations? 2 million is very reasonable.

This depresses me so much man.

I don't even understand. I'm not here to just shit on Stellar Blade, I don't really care if the game is a success or not, I just don't see the appeal of this game at all. Maybe I'm just completely out of touch with the kind of games I want to play, its just nothing about this kind of game will ever appeal to me at all.
I don't see anything ever about its story, so obviously its not good.
I don't see anything about the gameplay, and what limited things I have seen make it look like a mediocre hack and slash with ugly enemy designs.
The main appeal is that the character climbs up and down ladders and the camera zooms in on the bosom. That's the primary selling point. This leads it to sell millions of copies.

and yes, I'm a person that played FFXVI and actually enjoyed it. I liked the story and characters, the voice acting was really good, and art wise I liked the direction and graphics. The music was really great as well. Yet people shat on that game relentlessly and I couldn't understand why, am I just out of touch now, have these kind of games just left people like me behind and the more popular hentai bait stuff is always going to be more successful just selling sex appeal? You can say the same thing about the FFXVII remakes.

>>712448967
im one of them ama

>>712467030
You're one of those retards who doesn't understand that the primary gameplay of an RPG is character building and preparation. Battles are less about execution and more about testing how well you've prepared your characters. You'd love FFXIV.

>>712445709 (OP)
The series is in an identity crisis. That being said those are all good games.
SB>XVI>7R

>>712451070
FF13 was already pretty meh, everything after that looked pretty terrible tbdesu.

Yoshi P status?

>>712467501
XVI is absolutely not a good game.

>>712467686
Cope. It's the best FF since X

>>712467501
Wrong.

>>712467716
thats not saying much

i will acknowledge that 11 and 14 are multiplayer so thats a more personal thing

>>712445709 (OP)
not even a million? Why are people impressed with Stellar Blades numbers? I played it on PS5 and it was a couple of million when it launched. I know its concurrent but that doesn't mean it sold a lot.

>>712467716
No, it's really not. XVI is a bad game by pretty much every possible standard.

>>712467351
>the primary gameplay of an RPG is character building and preparation
Unfortunate given how shallow the character building and logistical elements are in FF7, 8, 9, 10, etc.

>>712467289
were you surprised by the car auto-driving on rails?

>>712467716
>Best since X
XI and XIV are MMOs
That's only XII, XIII and XV. It's a competition between shit games. There is no winner, we all lost.

>>712467246
Anon, Stellar blade is one of those games that got caught in the cross fire of the culture war. On top of that, nowadays the media, twitter, and social media in general are REALLY shilling for independent games. Stellar blade has both.
That being said, I dont think stellar blade is a bad game. The gameplay is fine, the music is good, the graphics are serviceable. The story is kinda boring, but there are some good moments (theres one sidequest thats simple but cute, its about a dude trying to preserve his robot wife)

>>712468108
XVI wishes it could have been XII.

>>712467927
>Unfortunate given how shallow the character building and logistical elements are in FF7
The materia system is fun as hell.

>>712468108
Even FFXIII is better than XVI. XVI suffers from every single major criticism as XIII, but commits those sins a thousand times over. It's actually insane how bad XVI is.
Also, FFXII is a masterpiece.

>>712447547
source? It's been radio silence on sales since they announced 1 million last year

>>712445709 (OP)
Realistic anime artstyle just isn't appealing

>>712468108
>>712467716

>>712468005
kek, the mission in which you have to *follow* ardyn's car was a bit funny. but im enjoying riding out with the bros, camping and stuff. it captures camaraderie like nothing else and it's not like i'll experience that bond of friendship irl.

>>712445709 (OP)
I fucking love ff7 rebirth

>>712445709 (OP)
>FFVII remakes
forced fake platform exclusivity, too long of a wait for the PC port
>FFXVI
not a Final Fantasy game. take away the familiar tropes like summon names and chocobos and it's a generic grimdark fantasy action game.

>>712468267
>https://m.businesspost.co.kr/BP?command=mobile_view&num=390162
Literally first link on google

XVI is the best DMC game of all time.

>>712468781
>one weapon with one combo
>skills on cooldowns
Nah

>>712468414
i expected driving around experiencing a lot of camping with my bros but the game just took me through the story on rails, didn't feel like i had control. i also remember winning big boss battles just by button mashing, the combat was a bit on rails as well now that i think about it.
i know there's supposed to be optional content in the game but i don't know where, didn't get any side quests that sent me exploring.
don't know how far in you are into the game but the time travel thing felt weird to me, maybe i should have used it more

>>712468862
>one weapon with one combo
well you can beat DMC3 on any difficulty doing nothing but helm breaker or beowulf divekick. I had to use more moves to beat XVI.

>>712467351
for me it's the exploration

>>712469187
>well you can beat DMC3 on any difficulty doing nothing but helm breaker or beowulf divekick.
Being able to spam one ability doesn't mean other abilities don't exist. In XVI you only have one combo to pick from. That's it.
>I had to use more moves to beat XVI.
You didn't. You can also beat XVI just by spamming square or by spamming the Phoenix uppercut or whatever skill you might want to spam. You'll just be waiting on the cooldown most of the time.

>>712445709 (OP)
>What went wrong with Final Fantasy?
Final Fantasy doesn't exist anymore. The new games play nothing like Final Fantasy. They play like generic action slop.

>>712466686
Common turnBASED W

>>712445709 (OP)
They took nomura off it and handed it to a bunch of hacks. Modern FF is only exciting with his involvement and yet he's now stuck on remaking shit instead of pioneering what the mainline should be.

>chinks go to sleep
>EU prime time kicks in
>Stellar Blade loses over half of its players in a matter of minutes
LOL

>>712469048
yes the combat is very basic. i beat the archaean and it felt like a long sequence of button smashing but that doesnt bother me too much, im not a souls games player, but it definitely feels more like an action game than rpg. side quests are also pointless as they dont really seem to reward the player in any way besides a small amount of gil or some average items. what really carries the game is the roadtrip setting, you have to open to it

combat is simple (way too simple), no incentive to explore or camp, pointless sidequests. im still fond of it though

>>712469825
Nomura is the biggest hack and KH is for women and autists.

>>712470067
I can't even remember what the combat or character progression was like in XV, it's completely wiped from my memory. But the road trip and the whole final chapter were great.

>>712445709 (OP)
the true fantasy game came

>>712445709 (OP)
>anon thinks FF was always a block buster success
lmao even, 90% of the entire line up of games didn't even crack 10 mil in sales, they always sold low

>>712470140
Thats cool, I dont play KH. Give FF 17 to yoshi P and kill the IP for good, I dont really care anymore.

>>712469885
>asians bought a game made for asians
Woah...

>>712470632
Tell that to the grifters hailing it as a victory for the western chud gamers fighting against le evil woke agenda

>>712466293
then prove him otherwise faggot, you probably wont but I'll be entertained by your response

>>712445709 (OP)
Dont worry, they are getting yoko taro to rescue it.

>>712470067
definitely open to a road camping with bros simulator, that's why i got so disappointed over how little such content there was.
not being able to drive the car myself (freely anywhere) took me by most surprise.

>>712470725
>leftoid zoomertroon doesn't understand that all the best japanese video games were made for japanese audiences and the soul came from making what they wanted for their unique culture instead of trying to appeal to westoid kike culture
Embarrassing.

>>712470831
>not being able to drive the car myself (freely anywhere)
Can't you? I swear I remember doing that. I only played Royal Edition though so maybe that was patched in later.

>>712470725
Grifters are going to farm outrage money out of gullible retards regardless, no one outside of their audience takes them seriously.

>>712470952
The only embarrassing thing here is you're still here you miserable nigger.

>>712471043
you come to a crossing and may select left or right (or straight ahead). there are parking pockets where you are allowed to press a button to stop the car.

i think there was a "manual driving" mode that let you accelerate or de-accelerate but no free steering

>>712470628
Give FFXVII to Masato Kato.

>>712471390
So he can kill the series like he did with Chrono?

>>712471390
chrono trigger may just be the most overrated game ever made, its up there with ALTTP.

>>712445709 (OP)
Americans convinced Squeenix to pander to the "modern audience" rather than actually make a game that's appealing to real human beings. The relative success of their MMO also infected their other projects, making them more feminized and lame. The management is also retarded in general, Who the fuck greenlights a three part Remake that changes the story of the original?

>>712471868
He also worked in FFVII and Xenogears and his FFXI expansion was kino, it's not just CT

>>712470725
East Asians are honorary White.

>Metaphor and Clair Obscur become successful by sticking closer
to the Final Fantasy single-player formula
>Genshin Impact is a giant success by copying JRPG storytelling while having open world and gacha shit
>Nier Automata and Stellar Blade go viral by making action games with super attractive women and cool set pieces
Just pick a lane and commit to it. The fact that they haven't made another NieR game is evidence that Square Enix is completely retarded. Their only success came from copying WoW and they even fucked that one already.

>>712471246
I bet it hurt you deep inside to type the nigger word during your holy month, but it won't make you fit in here any more than you can become a woman.

>>712445709 (OP)
>Metaphor and Clair Obscur become successful by sticking closer to the Final Fantasy single-player formula
>Genshin Impact is a giant success by copying JRPG storytelling while having open world and gacha shit
>Nier Automata and Stellar Blade go viral by making action games with super attractive women and cool set pieces
Just pick a lane and stick to it. The fact that they haven't made another NieR game is evidence that Square Enix is completely retarded. Their only success came from copying WoW, and they also fucked that already. It's not even an issue of whether the gameplay should be action or turn based, just of picking a target audience and having some artistic commitment.

>>712445709 (OP)
That's what happens when you let N*mura ruin what should have been a slam dunk and an easy money printer. Seriously, all they had to do was just remake FF7 faithfully, keeping the story unaltered while expanding on the stuff it didn't elaborate enough. That's it, that's all the people who actually care about FF7 wanted, nothing more.