Should CEO's really be allowed to talk with shareholders like that?

>>712450828 (OP)
Shareholders are so retarded it’s surprising they managed to keep their money long enough to invest in something

>>712450828 (OP)
Literally "I inventested into this company of things I hate and now I'm mad"

>>712451442
It's wild to me that there are people in the world rich enough to just see stock numbers go up, throw a couple of million imaginary dollars at it and now they own a part of it and can then turn up to meetings like "I have no idea what you do here, make me more money with it somehow".

Pretty much this>>712453001
Also, shareholders aren't interested in long term plans, they want more money now

>>712450828 (OP)
Imagine if people like that were humiliated in public and then killed

>>712453997
I dont understand greed
Past a certain point that its not hard to reach money is just a nuisance

>>712451442
rich parents are one hell of a drug

Never go public.

Shareholders are paypigs so yes.

>>712451442
>>712451868
>>712453001
>>712453997
Doctors don't run hospitals more news at 11.

>>712450828 (OP)
>Why do you talk about making good product that peoples would want to pay for ?
>We should talk about making money instead
Is he retarded ?

>>712454621
Yes. All rich people are more or less clinically retarded. They only have money because of rich parents or got lucky.

>>712450828 (OP)
>When I invested in McDonalds I never expected I'd have to hear about cheeseburgers!
Why don't these retards pay somebody not retarded to handle their investments. Wtf is their problem?

>>712454281
They're incentivized to constantly reinvest their shit because if they don't they'll get eaten up by taxes. So they throw it at investments that will eventually generate more money so they don't lose it to the government.

>>712451442
I am not a rich man, so I don't know if this is true, but I have been told this. After a certain level of richness, you can spread your money so far and wide that it doesn't matter what you invest in or how badly it does. The only way for you to lose it all is for the entire economy go under, because something among the things you have a stake in will always sell.

>>712450828 (OP)
To be fair Nintendo always has been more philosophical/open to discussing the specific creative visions they have had in meetings like this than is normal. It's just supposed to be "here are the numbers, here's our new products, here's what we project them to do" not waxing philosophical

>>712454768
They're not interested in products, they only see the numbers coming in and going out. If someone releases a working live service (Destiny), then they'll force the CEO to make a live service because "it's what works in the market" despite the fact that they never touched a controller. If it were a company making soap, they'd do the same thing.
They aren't humans and they destroy compagnies that make good product, we should genocide them

>>712450828 (OP)
Wasn't there an investor who said Nintendo should move into the construction industry?

>>712455216
Because gameboys are bricks?

>>712455112
>Why are you talking about products and how to continue making good ones? You should only increase the revenue curve.

Shareholders just play their cards in a game that they find themselves in called 'capitalism'. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Also the shareholder is right, he invested in the toy company because you neckbeards keep buying the toys. I'd do the same and I will do the same eventually.

>>712451442
They're not "shareholders". People who ask questions are almost always analysts. Imagine being an analyst and having no understanding of the industry you're analyzing.

>>712454614
Actually sometimes they do. It's not rare for a hospital director to have an MD.

>>712454614
Huawei is one of the most successful company in the world and they are workers-owned.

>>712450828 (OP)
Total shareholder death.
Unfortunately though, Nintendo's current president has the same mindset as that retard, as will all future presidents.

>>712451868
They're like locusts. They want to gorge themselves on profits right now and they dont care if they destroy the company in the long term.

>>712450828 (OP)
That's the mentality that a shareholder trying to make a quick buck has.
>[Company] should be making a much money as it possibly can very quickly
That is usually self destructive for a company, leads to lashback from consumers or business partners and eventually you get where Ubisoft is now.

Nintendo talking about the future of videogames is literally them trying to stay stabilized, plan for the future so that share prices increase gradually and fortify.

I mean, what retarded investor invests in things they know nothing about?

kill all bourgeois

I love east asian corpospeak it's kino and puts western corpo buzzwordsslop to shame

soooooooo shareholder are just the worst kind of gamer then

>>712455602
>capitalism is why I'm retarded

>>712456716
The business mini game in Yakuza 7 is really good if you find that sort of thing entertaining, Anon

one of my favorite posts on this site had the OP ask "how do you save the gaming industry in 5 words or less" and the fpbp was "publically execute all shareholders".

>>712457109
the system compels people to act in certain ways to succeed. you cannot blame the avg person for following those incentives when the alternative is failure.

your analysis should be, what needs to be done to dismantle the system. if that requires killing certain individuals, fine. but your focus should always be on systemic change. this particular shareholder will get on his knees and grovel when the workers revolution of japan busts open the door to his house and asks him to beg for mercy. this guy isn't a problem. the system that compelled him to act the way he does is the problem.

>>712456078
LOL do you actually believe that

>>712456176
>company made by engineers and enthusiasts
>marketers and salespeople eventually weasel their way into positions where they supplant the people who make the product
>finance parasites quickly follow
>the product no longer matters, just branding, and the company is thoroughly hollowed out from within until sales & marketing make up 98% of the business structure
Corporations are the unironic end of human civilization.

>>712457424
ok im sorry for being rude

>>712456078
The people who work in the huawei store in the mall near me own nothing other than their 1000 euro monthly salary

>>712457335
he's right

>>712456078
This is true because it's the "Workers Party"

I used to laugh at this and think it was beyond ridiculous
But after being a shitcoin bagholder many times
I can say I understand his feelings

It only looks dumb in hindsight when you didnt happen to go out of business. But there's plenty of startups in the world that spent more time trying to make a statement or something than actually properly managing their business and this don't exist anymore.

A funny example is Anno learning his lesson about this the hard way with Gainax.

>>712450828 (OP)
It's a balancing act of pleasing both the short term investors (people who don't play games) and long term investors (people who play games).

>>712455141
>They're not interested in products, they only see the numbers coming in and going out. If someone releases a working live service (Destiny), then they'll force the CEO to make a live service because "it's what works in the market" despite the fact that they never touched a controller. If it were a company making soap, they'd do the same thing.
I remember people complaining just recently about all the souls looking clones shown off at SGS. And all I could think is that a bunch of investors and suits saw that Elden Ring sold like 30 million and immediately demanded their "own Elden Ring" and here we are, because they don't understand a goddamn thing.

>>712459484
didn't say he wasn't

A lot of poor people who don't own any shares as part of their savings itt.

>>712450828 (OP)
They need to pass a law that overturns shareholder primacy when it comes to entertainment media, I know its a trillion dollar industry, but having creative license beholden to random assholes who only see profit has been killing video games ever since investors discovered that video games have the potential to make lots of money.

>>712459576
Nintendo has gotten into financial troubles in the past, sure, but its history is very different from shit coins. It has a lot of brand power and consumer loyalty. Blue-chip stocks versus penny stocks.

>>712460169
>socialist tranny crying
Any attempt to regulate the market ends in disaster. Regulations are quite literally the mark of satan.
Make your own if you're unhappy with God's plan.

>>712460169
Yes, but conside3r the following
Shareholders would have stopped Lucas from making prequels after first one
Sometimes having idea and not caring about money much, is pretty bad outlook too in entertainment industry

>>712451442
financial success is more closely correlated to a lack of morals than intelligence

>>712460709
>Shareholders would have stopped Lucas from making prequels after first one
I don't see a problem with this

>>712450828 (OP)
That's one of the most retarded and unhinged posts I've ever read, and it was most likely written by a millionaire with a very high opinion of his own intellect.

>>712456176
>>712457749
>Still trying to slander Furukawa (who only handles financials)

>>712460709
What are you talking about? They'd have been riding him to make the prequels since the mid 80s. And regardless of the quality of the prequels, they made a ton of money. So 2 and 3 would definitely have been made.

>>712461004
Hes not wrong though, nintendo has done nothing but cut corners and cost since the ds era and it shows in the lack of quality in their games.

>>712457424
Unfortunately for faggots like you, I believe in human agency and hold people accountable for their decisions. Stock trading should be made properly illegal and every faggot that partook in it shouldn't be allowed to make money doing anything above or beyond flipping burgers for the rest of their time on earth.

>>712450828 (OP)
>this valuable opinion from one of the nintendo shareholders
>we appreciate these valuable comments from the shareholder
I like to imagine this means fuck you faggot in jap corporate speak especially since he hit 'em with it twice

>>712457749
It's more fundamental than corporations. Basically any organization that has incentive to grow can suffer from the geek-mop-sociopath dynamic. Enthusiasts make Thing, normies see Thing and want to be a part of it, and then sociopaths who prey on normies follow them to Thing and subvert Thing in order help them exploit the normies. Enthusiasts are gradually burnt out by the normie masses or pushed out by the sociopaths. Eventually Thing is fully subverted and all of its social capital has been extracted, so the normies move on and the sociopaths follow them. The enthusiasts are then left there in the ashes to rebuild.

>>712461242
>The seething stocktard who admits to knowing nothing about video games isn't wrong though
Whatever fag.

>>712461013
Episode 2 would be literally force awakening, because this is what people loved and wanted

Give me literally any reason why the stock market shouldn't be banned. Stock-based companies and general financial fuckery are behind like 99% of everything bad happening in the west

>inb4 but muh INVESTMENT
If Valve was able to become the titan of the game industry without shareholders, anyone can.

>>712460702
Sometimes regulating the market is necessary for its health. Or do you really think anti-trust bills preventing global consolidation of industry has resulted in a less healthy market?

>>712459817
Why not?
The gaming industry is like 95% clones chasing the success of predecessors. The most popular games are clones of other shit, botw exists because some shareholder saw Minecraft and open world games making a ton of money and told Nintendo he wants a open world Minecraft game.
It's up to the producer to actually be able to take that request from their boss and make something different enough and worthwhile out of it. That's what they're paid for

And the shareholders usually aren't micromanaging the development process to the point that if you do make a straight up ripoff that no one likes it's not really almost entirely on your competency as a producer.

>>712450828 (OP)
Why don't you guys be a shareholder than?
Imagine the games you can insert big titty cat girls in.

>>712461656
Because we don't have the foresight to have our dads start up investment funds back in the heady and regulation-free days of the 1970's.

>>712461656
>Why don't you guys be a shareholder than?
Because I'm not a trust fund kiddy who gets free money from daddy or a jew who can get a million dollar zero-interest loan from a religious bank.

And even if I did, I find the practice of stockselling loathsome because everyone who does that shit turns into OP's pic, some soulless zombie who would burn down the library of alexandria if it increased his profits by two cents on the next quarter.

>>712461656
Worked for f-zero

>>712461804
All you need is 40k
What's more important, your 401k or gaming? Can't get what you want without sacrifice

>>712461656
It's impossible to compete with institutional investors at scale because they manage the retirement funds of hundreds of millions. Even if every customer of a given company tossed their life savings into that company, Vanguard, Black Rock, and State Street would still vastly outnumber them due to managing the collective wealth of countries worth of retirement funds.

>>712461656
>Why don't you guys be a shareholder than?
I only have about $300 to my name

>>712461987
40k to ask a question, sure. But to actually weird enough influence to drive decision making? That's a completely different level of wealth

>>712460709

>buy a bunch of stocks to a company
>ask troll questions

Vote with your wallet bros.

>>712461656
Better you go than me compares an order.
Better you go, then me concludes an order.

IIRC Nintendo has a customized shareholder structure so that the company can essentially tell shareholders to fuck off. It was a major impediment to Microsoft's wish to acquire Nintendo because ownership does not ensure control.

>>712460784
It's both. If you are dumb you will stick to petty crime that's does not make much.

>>712456176
>Nintendo's current president has the same mindset

Source? I find him to be very hands off with its developer teams

>>712461301
It comes back to corporations (and the profiteering they lobby to remain legal, tax breaks etc) because right now that sort of thing is rewarded in the current economic system. Think about all the times that a game would do poorly and instead of taking stock that maybe it was their shitty idea, implementation, major flaws etc.. the execs get away with it and try the same shit again because
>uh you see, we were TRYING to extract as much money from these poor sods as possible, even though it ruined it and we made less money, but it just didn't find its audience. Surely next time we try this we'll get you your line going up on the quarterly reports!
means its more permissible for them to lose actual money, than leave POTENTIAL money on the table. Some CEO saying
>We're going to stick to what we're good at; we have a user base that likes what we make and we can continue to rely on their support if we don't fuck it up. While we may not have been growing, we were consistent or didn't shrink in a time when many did, because our users stayed with us.
will have to contend with their board and/or shareholders tossing them out because ever present GROWTH is the only thing that matters and gets the shareholders a bigger and bigger ROI.

This is a problem of the economic systems that allow this to happen and the corporate bullshit that controls what is acceptable. Same thing with
>We'll make our product into predatory monetized garbage gacha instead. It doesn't matter if 90% of our potential users fuck off an leave, we just have to get 5-10% of hardcore addicts who spend a fortune and think that having a $99 banner package every week is a great deal if they get a 50% chance at an SSS-rank item, plus the FOMO. Alternately, why would we make a $30-60 game that includes all the content, when we can sell a constant parade of $20 skins , $30+ widgets, and have "collection events" where you need to spend $300 to buy the rest to get the fancy thing!

>>712460702
No one said anything about regulation. Overturning shareholder primacy is not regulation.

>>712462781
>>We'll make our product into predatory monetized garbage gacha instead. It doesn't matter if 90% of our potential users fuck off an leave, we just have to get 5-10% of hardcore addicts
lmao the gacha crap are both extremely profitable AND popular

>>712461004
>millionaire with a very high opinion of his own intellect.
Well yeah, he's rich so he must be smart

>>712461589
>botw exists because some shareholder saw Minecraft and open world games making a ton of money and told Nintendo he wants a open world Minecraft game.
absolute retard take

>>712450828 (OP)
What's worse, Shareholders or Private Equity?

>>712457424
athiest mindset

>>712462026
you're so retarded, no need to compete with Vanguard or Black rock when you can just put your money in an ETF (probably one from Vanguard or Black rock themselves)

Anyway, retail investors are literally the most impatient greedy bitches in existence. They don't just want price go up next quarter, they want price go up next week

Dodge vs Ford literally sent the world down the bad ending route

Nothing scares a jew more than pic related

>>712460702
>any attempt to regulate the market ends in disaster
Proof?

>>712453001
or even better, "I have no idea what you do here, but it NEEDS TO STOP RIGHT NOW because the only thing I understand about it is that those disgusting incels are the ones giving you money, and you have to kick them all out and never sell anything to them again!"

>>712464727
EU forcing EA to stop lootbox scam in battlefront 2

>taking your company public
>2025
I seriously hope you don’t do this

>>712462191
>40k to ask a question, sure. But to actually weird enough influence to drive decision making? That's a completely different level of wealth
There’s something called “shareholder activism” aka “corporate raiders.” Please research these terms and you’ll know why public companies piss their pants at shareholders. There was an infamous one that strong armed Iwata to force the company to make mobile games and once he did, the investor made a shit ton of money from his call options then fucked off and sold the stock.

>>712460702
>God's plan
He expects more than one usurer in the wreckage, just so you're aware.

>>712464687
Ford wasn't doing it to actually benefit his workers he knew who his shareholders were and wanted to screw them over because the Dodge brothers were competitors at the time. In fact it should have been illegal for people who work/own a company from buying stocks in a competitor in the first place.

>>712464296
>What's worse, Shareholders or Private Equity?
>what’s worse, a group of snakes threatening you to do what they say and poison the company slowly if you don’t or a group of gorillas that will wreck your shit from the getgo
Both are bad

>>712453001
>>712451442
If you're so smart you should make something different and easily outearn all those retards.

>>712464687
The reason the court ruled in favour of the Dodge Brothers is because Henry was purposefully retaining all his company's earnings because he knew the Dodge Brothers, who, as shareholders, had ownership of the profits, and it was an open secret Henry was basically trying to pre-emptively fuck them. (Since the Dodge Brothers were using the funds to start up their own, competing motor company.)

Henry Ford was genuinely kind of an asshole: See also his purposefully low bid for the bankrupt Lincoln Motor Company, basically for revenge, since its owner was the founder of Cadillac, and one of the organizers of General Motors.

>>712460784
keep telling yourself that

>>712460702
>Regulations are quite literally the mark of satan
Then why care about shareholder primacy? This too is a regulation.

Companies should be able to just take investors' money and then do whatever the fuck they want and never listen to or pay them back if they don't want to, any enforcement by the government of more rules is unnatural.

Shareholders will just naturally communicate amongst themselves to figure out which companies are nice to them.

>>712462191
>>712461987
If you have a fully developed brain you start to understand that you don't actually lose money by buying something.

>>712465187
>Henry Ford was genuinely kind of an asshole
You mean antisemitic

>>712465275
Opportunity cost is a thing. You literally do lose money by "investing" it in a company you want to influence rather than sticking it in an index or whatever else has high returns.

>>712462781
>While we may not have been growing, we were consistent or didn't shrink in a time when many did, because our users stayed with us.
Unless you're a government, I am not looking for stability, I'm not going to keep loaning you money for you to not grow it.

>>712465254
>Corporations are essentially entitled to capital and should not have any obligations to the investors who give them money whatsoever
Please go and read up on the basics of corporate finance and try again. If ownership of a company's stock doesn't give you an ownership interest or right to profits, then what fucking use is it? Why would anyone buy your stock at that point?

>>712464687
>A company should be able to fuck over it's shareholders and commit corporate waste

>>712450828 (OP)
I don't think this shareholder have any idea on how to run this business he have a share in.

>>712465565
Why would you invest your money in a company that would do that? That sounds like your problem for being an idiot.

>>712465254
shareholders own parts of the company no?
If the owners don't want to give them power then just simply don't sell your goddamn company

>>712465517
Viacom/Universal does not give voting rights, just financial fyi. Investors can complain to them all they want but can’t strong arm the heir to do anything.

>>712465187
He had to pre-emptively fuck them because they were there by prerequisite to fuck him.
And so it went.

>>712450828 (OP)
>"We appreciate your continued support of the company."

Does this nigger know that shareholders aren't "supporting" the company, they fucking OWN the company. Maybe he should be a little more deferential to the owners of the company and not be such a dismissive asshat.

>>712465720
You can predict the future and you're wasting your time on /v/?

>>712465831
In Japan it’s tantamount to support, not ownership. You need to learn about cultural finance differences, they’re not coming from a sense of “we bow down to you massa”

>>712465231
you could be rich now if you invested in european steel and arms last year around the same time. thats immoral as it gets. the definition of blood money.

>>712464687
This comes up all the time but it seems like an irrelevant scapegoat
Didnt Amazon famously invest all their profits back into the business for years? If not for their entire existence? Part of why they have such a gigantic marketshare.

How did they get away with that if this claims that reinvesting all your profits is illegal and shareholders will take you to court for it.

>>712461656
I am and it's a new kind of hell.
Oh we the company are doing so well but once you got a share in it turn out the inside is so rotten
e.g. we the company forgot to fill in this one tiny form to tell that our income are just imaginary or estimate number.

>>712465517
>the basics of corporate finance and try again.
NOT a free market. Don't care if that's how it works right now in reality, it's not the antiregulationfag utopia.

>Uhhhh why do shareholders get a say just because they literally own the company and the game would not even exist without them? Probably tax breaks and loopholes
Why is /v/ so financially retarded?

>>712465187
I was reading about Ford the other day but I couldn't figure out why exactly him and the Cadillac founder had such a falling out when they brought him on board that Ford left the company and took his name with him.

This is why I just stick to ETFs and enjoy my ten dollars a month in dividends.
It ain't much but its honest work.

>>712465721
Ownership is also a government-enforced spook. There is no such thing in physical reality. Only what you can take or prevent others from taking from you.

>>712465721
>then just simply don't sell your goddamn company
Yeah, but the problem with being private is that you have way less access to external financing than a public company, since:
>a) the stock is not publicly traded or liquid, so finding a buyer is difficult. Usually the stock ends up staying with the small clique of owner-managers and new issues generally don't happen unless the firm goes public.
>b) Unless the corporation is already large and well-established, and sometimes not even then, most lenders will require a guarantee from a controlling shareholder before extending credit, which erodes the otherwise silver bullet advantage of limited liability.
Basically the decision of whether or not to go public is a pick your poison situation, and basically trading control of the corporation for growth and liquidity, which, the latter is especially what you want as an owner-manager, since you can cash out your ownership interest and use the funds to move onto another project. Of course, this does mean giving the MBAs institutional power and that just begins the slow decline.

>>712466165
The TL:DR of the situation is that its expected for a growth company to retain as much earnings as possible to facilitate growth and the investors bought shares in Amazon with the expectation they would retain earnings and grow the corporation. Also, especially in court, intent matters: Amazon was not retaining earnings because Jeff Bezos was pissed at one of his majority shareholders and wanted to starve him of funds, for example.

>muh ebul shareholders
Try skipping all the avocados and maybe you can stop being a poorfag

>>712465517
>If ownership of a company's stock doesn't give you an ownership interest or right to profits, then what fucking use is it? Why would anyone buy your stock at that point?
Bro... are you serious...? People buy the stock so that they can sell it at a higher price. It's that simple.

>>712466008
>there are ways to gain money through immoral means
>therefore there are no ways to gain money through moral means

>>712456078
Everything in China is state owned.

>>712465254
Because when you purchase shares of a company, you are purchasing a partial ownership stake in the company. The shareholders are literally the owners of the company. The fact that you don't understand this process that you're an absolute financial retard and your opinion on financial matters should never be taken seriously and be mocked relentlessly.

>>712456078
The poets were right, sometimes the situation is so tragic it circles back to comedy.

>>712466619
The stock would not confer any benefits to the holder. It is not a functional item or piece of property or a store of value and neither does it entitle the holder to payments of any sort. Nobody would buy it from you. Instruments which are purely speculative are completely worthless. Even crypotcurrency, the modern speculative commodity, at least ostensibly, have value as a) a digitized store of value, and b) a medium of exchange for anonymous transactions over the internet. Your hypothetical "purely speculative" stock certificate doesn't even have that. Just because you're willing to buy it to "speculate on" does not mean anyone else would. It's a fucking piece of paper at that point.

I have to concur with >>712467291 in calling you a fucking retard with zero financial literacy whatsoever. Why do people on the internet love to argue about shit they know nothing about?

>>712463516
>Profitable
That's the issue. There's been a lot of data on this, its not that everyone who's playing gacha are paying $20-50 and calling it a day en masse which is leading up to huge profits in the successful games. Instead, there are a relative few users paying asinine amounts - the kind of people who say
>Oh yeah I only spent $400 this month I didn't like this event or that banner etc
are a tiny percentage of everyone who tries the game. That's part of the issue. The same is true for a lot of other shitty monetization like "item mall" based Korean MMOs. Its one reason they tend to all spiral down into the floor for the experience as they squeeze every bit out, leaving the only people playing a handful of people spending a fortune, so the company makes content to ensure those people keep buying item boxes , which of course turns the entire thing into a completely untenable experience for anyone who's NOT that devoted, but that's not the point - they're making the game for the 3 assholes who will buy $10K worth of item boxes or gacha pulls or whatever per month at this point .

Even with games like Apex Legends, LoL, Marvel Rivals and as of recently Overwatch 2 (the original Overwatch had a much more fair system) and other "F2P, but Battle Pass FOMO and skins cost a ton or have lots of events where things cost even more", its a handful of hardcore esports, streamers, and big spenders as the target. Overwatch 2 had a huge drop of players for a variety of reasons and rightly so compared to OW1 during the transition, but it wasn't too troublesome because they just kept adding more ways to monetize the few willing to pay, even if it isolated them from the masses. That's before we even get into all the psychological tricks that gacha and others use to basically fuck with certain people who have broken brains - they hire PhDs to short circuit your brain; common since the mobile age of monetization etc.

>>712467291
>don't understand this process
I'm responding to the guy who thinks regulations are the mark of satan you fucking retard. Did you think that post was a description of reality as it currently exists?

I own some CDProjekt stock, can I force them to not make Witcher 4 woke?

>>712450828 (OP)
So fucking talmudic

>>712467291
>Purchasing a stock makes you a shareholder of a company, but does it give you the right to weigh in on how a company is run?

>In most cases, you don't get a direct say in a company's day-to-day operations, but, depending on whether you own voting or non-voting stock, you may have a hand in shaping its board of directors and deciding on special issues.

>KEY TAKEAWAYS
>Buying a share of a company makes you a shareholder, but it does not give you a say in the day-to-day operations of a company.
>Shareholders own either voting or non-voting stock, and that determines whether they can weigh in on big-picture issues the company is considering.
>Someone with voting stock has the right, but not the obligation, to vote on the company's board of directors or other business matters.
oof nigga
Seriously how dumb do you have to be to think that the way things work is you buy a share of Coca-Cola and that means you get to go to the CEO office and start bossing him around? Common sense should tell you that what you're saying is not how it works

>>712454281
>>712453001
Look up Dodge v. Ford Motor Co, there's legal precedent in America that the shareholder's interests must be put ahead of those of the workers and customers. It might not affect Nintendo since they're a Japanese company, but it's still a fucked up standard

>>712454898
>Taxes
This hasn't been the case since Reagan implemented the failed trickle down economic theory that Republicans double, triple and quadruple down on. Most of the money is now funneled into off shore tax havens and not even invested. If anything, things would improve more if the rich were forced to invest the money they're currently hoarding or using it to bribe the trumps' government to get whatever their wish list is.

>>712454614
Many hospitals all over the world are managed by doctors.

>>712467646
I understood your post just fine. You're still a retard because you're essentially saying that the owners of a company shouldn't be entitled to the profits of said company.

>companies should not just make what people want and therefore maximize money, they need to care about society!
>>agreed, we will put DEI as our most important value
>NOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT

Why is /v/ so hypocritical?

>>712468160
Shoving niggers into products isn't what is wanted except by subversive kikes.

>>712455812
>no understanding
He understands that video games are for children, something /v/ still can't wrap its head around.

>>712467936
>Look up Dodge v. Ford Motor Co, there's legal precedent in America that the shareholder's interests must be put ahead of those of the workers and customers.
Workers and customers sure
But the issue in the OP and throughout the thread is not one of workers and customers vs shareholders, it's regarding the future of the company and it's continued existence vs the shareholders. Is there any precedent that says a company MUST put shareholders over that?

>>712465356
Nope, just an asshole. Ford contributed to the decay of the USA.

>>712467646
Regulations ARE inherently evil tho

>>712468137
How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?

>>712466396
>exactly him and the Cadillac founder had such a falling out
It was the usual "one of the founder of a business splits from them to start up a competitor, earning the undying hatred of the remaining founder(s)" story that is as old as business itself.

>>712467751
If you own enough of it then you can appoint a board of directors who say they'll do what you want. Hope you've got an investment banker on retainer.

>>712467864
Shareholders do not directly run the corporation. Shareholders elect a board of directors, who are the corporation's governing body, who in turn, hire managers to do the day-to-day running of the corporation. In this way the shareholders control is indirect, but they are the ones with the last word on policy. A board of directors who fail to do what the (controlling) shareholders want them to do is not going to make it past the next Annual General Meeting.

Regardless of how indirect their control is, the shareholders of a company are still the owners. A stock certificate is a certificate of ownership interest. This is the foundational principle of the corporation as a concept.

>>712468273
>Is there any precedent that says a company MUST put shareholders over that?

Not in the US. But in the UK publicly traded companies do have a legal obligation to make every good faith effort they can to put shareholder interests above everything else.

>>712450828 (OP)
>2013
And nothing changed since.

>>712468160
I too find this phenomenon on here quite funny. As soon as a company starts to take a downturn because they didn't maximzing profits, and instead decided to take a moral stance, /v/ is quick to defend maximing profits by retaining and pandering to your existing customer base as the only thing that matters even if it goes against the moral decision.

>>712468657
It's almost like this board isn't a monolith and is filled with people who have varying opinions on stuff. Weird, I know.

>>712468516
That's what the Dodge v. Ford Motor Co. ruling is as well.
In a terrible alternate timeline where Nintendo was an American company and enough minority sharholders conspired together, Nintendo would be forced to go third party.

>>712465465
And this is the reason why enshittification continues to happen because you're not investing in the long term success of a business anymore, (You) or more accurately the vulture capital fucktards, private equity, and many others doesn't matter if the company does well, only if they can extract maximum value and fuck off from the wreckage. This is a good reason why these companies should not have to depend on external shareholders in this way, but the system is set up to penalize those who have other forms of monetization (ie private companies where they workers have a significant ownership stake, like co-ops, are actively refused access to loans and other capital that their business would be granted if they were taking part in the system ruled by monied interests allowing them pick the carcass. These companies aren't any riskier, but they're resistant to vested interests who run the current system in banking and public trading, so without regulation forcing them to do otherwise, they actively attempt to impede them).

There are changes that can and should be made across the financial industry, the corporate world, and the economic systems that govern them to make this less shitty. Everyone bemoans why things continue to get shittier with vidya, but when you have a Kotick like CEO brought in to deliver continual ROI for institutional shareholders who don't care of you're making good games or selling more pepsi, you get all the shit we've seen go down the drain since the increased regulatory capture and corporate looting leading to maximizing short term profits to investors at the cost of everything else.

>open a McDonalds restaurant
>pay a manager to run things
>instead of making money uses it to hold full time drag queen story hour
>replace him with someone who runs the restaurant to make money
According to /v/ commies the store owner should not be allowed to do that.

>>712469524
The line must go up saar

>>712469605
this but 100% non-sarcastically

>>712469267
We don't need more regulation. No one forces a company to go public. If these companies want to maintain complete control and not surrender it to the capitalist class, then all the have to do is simply not go public.

So if you want someone to blame for "enshittification", blame the companies themselves for whoring themselves out to investors for a quick influx of cash.

>>712467936
>Look up Dodge v. Ford Motor Co
this is getting very antisemitic
i'm going to have to report this to the adl

>>712454281
I have worked for them. It's basically a gacha like system, they don't care about the money, they just want a bigger number than before

>>712454614
You don't have to be a doctor to understand that patients and drugs and surgery are real things and the pretty graphs are just abstractions.

>>712470129
Yeah, but clinics can make way more money if doctors would reccomend patients treatments that they don't really need

>>712469732
>If these companies want to maintain complete control and not surrender it to the capitalist class, then all the have to do is simply not go public.
That anon already exampled a way they'd be setup for eventual homelessness and back alley rape anyway if they don't whore themselves out to make rent.
>private companies where they workers have a significant ownership stake, like co-ops, are actively refused access to loans and other capital that their business would be granted if they were taking part in the system ruled by monied interests allowing them pick the carcass.

>>712469524
Shareholders spent the past decade nodding along while every corporation in America went that way. You got an alibi for them?

>>712470569
The shareholders wanted that.

There's literally nothing wrong with companies being 49% owned by shareholders. You'd have to be retarded to give away control.

>>712470730
And that's why there shouldn't be shareholders.

>>712460709
>prequel hater is anti-art
Shocker!

>>712470850
Nothing wrong with it, huh? Yet you seem to acknowledge how hell breaks loose as soon as they get that extra 1% swing in their favor.

>>712469839
Stop trying to deflect glownig, this a problem with capitalism.

>>712471046
Capitalism has failed me as an American but I'm not going along with any mutt-coded commie nonsense either.

>>712451442
Because it's hard to lose money when you have so much of it. People who win the lottery find ways but the ways are typically like.
>Bought a pyramid tomb in Las Vegas
>Bought dinosaur skulls
If you just buy random businesses that already run themselves they're gonna make money eventually. You just need to have enough money and patience to not sale them to someone else when they're dipping. To big too fail is a thing for a reason.

>>712461656
>Why don't you guys be a shareholder than?
Didn't that literally happen to Hololive or some other company? Someone was fed up with retarded shareholders so he just became one himself.

>>712471172
>Get screwed over by the rich
>But still repeat their talking points
Talk about an unconditional surrender

>>712460169
There is a much simpler solution. Just dissolve IP law, especially the cancerous practice of attempting to enforce it globally. I can understand instituting a transitional period so that the current paradigm of massive conglomerates enabled by the previous legislation can be thoroughly dismantled, but ultimately that shit needs to not exist as anything, but a very short term measure on the scale of a few years.
At that point nothing is beholden to random assholes anymore.

A great start would be just removing trademark law outright, it's not doing anything useful and that's when it's not being abused legally or used deceptively.

>>712467936
>>712471046
>>712472059
Kill yourself, you parasitical commie rat.
The only good commie is a dead commie.
Exterminating commies is the moral duty of every human being.

https://rd.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230114319_3
>Compared to those that were less free, countries with higher economic freedom ratings during 1980–2005 had lower rates of both extreme and moderate poverty in 2005. More importantly, countries with higher levels of economic freedom in 1980 and larger increases in economic freedom during the 1980s and 1990s achieved larger poverty rate reductions than economies that were less free. These relationships were true even after adjustment for geographic and locational factors and foreign assistance as a share of income. The positive relations between the level and change in economic freedom and reductions in poverty were both statistically significant and robust across alternative specifications.

>>712450828 (OP)
Are there any rules, to begin with?

>>712472470
This, plus all this nonsense is holding AI back to a criminal degree. Once AI is perfect we all will have robot gfs and be richer than ever

>>712472520 (continued)
mohrsiebeck.com/en/article/the-relationship-between-economic-freedom-and-poverty-rates-cross-country-evidence-101628jite-2020-0042
>We study the relationship between economic freedom and poverty rates in 151 countries over a twenty-year period. Using the World Bank's poverty headcounts of those living on less than $1.90 per day, $3.20 per day, and $5.50 per day, we find evidence that economic freedom, measured by the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom, is associated with lower poverty rates. We also test the effect of various components of the Index of Economic Freedom. We find that a government's integrity and a country's trade freedom are associated with lower poverty rates. We check the robustness of our results using alternative freedom indices.

Killing communist scum is the moral duty of every human being.
All commies need to be wiped out for the good of humanity.

>>712471046
>Stop trying to deflect glownig
He actually hit it right on the nose

>>712454614
They do run them. They don't own them. And that's the problem since the people who own them are the same ones that want to see the line go up and come up with the most retarded inhuman ideas on how to squeeze money out of a hospital.

Are people who make their livings off of speculative finance even human?

it's ok to kill communists

>>712465386
There's not a lot of things outside the AI bubble that would have outperformed Nintendo's 25% pa since 2022.

Someone post the shareholder who wanted Nintendo to add microtransactions to Mario where you could pay extra to make him jump higher

>>712457749
Read Iwatas book. He goes on how he went from codemonkey to president and always had to deal with shareholders when he'd rather talk to other employees to see how the company is doing.

I can’t believe there’s so many entitled stock holders itt who think it’s ok to run a company down thanks to greed. Wow

>>712472470
>>712472745
Uneducated retards and communists. Wow, what a combo

>>712473978
>Someone post the shareholder who wanted Nintendo to add microtransactions to Mario where you could pay extra to make him jump higher
There’s was also another who asked Iwata to exit the game business and make Nintendo themed bread. I’m not even joking

>>712474254
>think it’s ok to run a company down thanks to greed
hate the game not the player

>>712473659
Communist, famous shareholders lmao

Daily reminder the current activist investor “Valu Act” is a Microsoft Trojan horse, as per Xbox email leaks that came out a few months ago
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/504502927

>>712473517
There's nothing wrong with making a living off of speculative finance.

>>712472520
>>712472936
>Massive wall of text
Capitalist can't meme

>>712474254
If the line didn't go up this quarter, is it even still a company? Just scrap it and strip it for parts.

>>712465187
There is nothing wrong with anything you described

>>712450828 (OP)
>GRRRR HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT VIDEOGAMES
>sir this is a videogame company
Smartest shareholder on display

>>712475287
>ACK!

>>712475248
We must have different definitions of "living".

>>712475948
>Phonepost
The ironing

>>712451442
Farmers need to save some crops for seeding the next season.
A shareholder today is likely to invest in a farm, harvest all the crops and leave nothing to seed, thus sabotaging next year's yield. But by then they'll have already sold when the speculative price has reached the peak.

This is the problem with these investors. They don't invest in long term stability, they slot their money in, demand they burn the candle on both ends and destroying long term stability, and walking away richer after ruining a perfectly good business.

>>712476080
>commietard doesn't know what irony is
Checks out. Communism rots your brain.

Someone please explain why I shouldn’t want to hurt people like this

>>712475960
Elaborate.

>>712476298
>Everyone who agrees that capitalism is a failure must be a commie
This is my 2nd favorite capitalist cope.
My first is how quickly your mask came off and you went into a rage.

>>712476381
You could go to jail

>>712476196
If they ruin the business, why does the business sell ownership to them?

>>712476397
Parasitism doesn't make a meaningful life.

>>712476472
Okay but what if I’m really fast and can outrun the cops

>>712476415
Capitalism is massive success that has lifted billions of people out of absolute poverty: >>712472520, >>712472936.
Meanwhile socialism is a massive failure that killed over a hundred million people, caused numerous famines, and consigned countless to poverty.

>>712465623
kill yourself you ESL nigger animal

>>712476513
Depends on whether they're publicly traded
If they are, usually it's because they want more budget to do bigger projects or to expand
The real problem begins when the people who founded the company no longer own the majority of the shares, at that point the company truly is no longer theirs and they're at the whims of line go up men

>>712476552
>Parasitism
Who said anything about welfare?

Yes. Fuck shareholders.

>>712476606
Then go ahead

>>712476683
>Using faked graphs to defend his broken and corrupt system.
He is THIS mad still.
Keep licking the shareholder's boots. LMAO

>>712476415
>obvious commie pretends he's not a commie
comeonnow.jpg

>>712476729
So why wouldn't they keep a majority of shares?

>>712450828 (OP)
>hurr why you talk about video game at shareholder meeting video game is not line go up

>>712476829
Remember CHAZ?
I 'member CHAZ.

>>712476870
>>712477034
>You have to be my strawman
Ah yes, more of capitalism's failures.

>>712476985
They need the cash immediately

>>712474051
Reading some of the transcripts like this from his time and you can practically hear him facepalming at some of their bullshit. Even Miyamoto got in on one. The DeNA deal was done to get the shareholders off his employee's backs. It was obvious he hated the idea but he literally didn't have to live with the decision for very long at all

>>712457749
God, the downfall of Boeing still makes me mad

>>712476683
>capitalism is a massive success
>ok, let's implement the policies we had in the 20th century when the USA was at its peak
>no, that's socialism

>>712476829
>i-it's fake!
Bunkertroon cope.
>b-bootlicker!
No one's a bigger bootlicker than a socialist.

>>712461656
Oh my parents were middle class and I went to a shitty high school and I nobody explained credits to me or help with my homework.
I didn't go to a private school with tutors who would lend me an easy entrance to an Ivy league school where I could get a Masters in Business Administration where I used my Harvard Connections and Fraternities to connect with millionaires and get an entry level executive manager position at a fortune 500 company.

>>712468342
You better substatiate that claim or nobody will believe you shithead.
He's commonly known for giving workers a fair wage and weekends off when it was the norm to make people work 12 hour days 7 days a week.

>>712477093
Capitalism is a smashing success.
Socialism is an abject failure.
Always has been. Always will be.

>wageslave unironically defending late-stage capitalism
The lie of the American Dream is a genuine brain disease.

I like capitalism in concept, but the point it has reached as of now is an unregulated cancer digging its claws so deep into governance that corporations have more rights than citizens. Capitalism works best under strict regulation and consequences for anti-competitive behavior. Neither of these things are practiced today and it’s strangling the economy.

Rant over, here’s a sexy squid for your time.

>>712477279
Could've just said you were a dumbass and left it at that.

>>712456078
LOL chinky chink think CCP is the people

>>712477095
Do they? Why?

>>712477325
Why do people risk their lives to escape from socialist countries to capitalist ones?

>>712476683
Yes, capitalism has been a massive success, and now it's starting to fail. Do you not see how much worse shit is now than even twenty years ago? Every single country is signfigantly richer than when things were better, and yet

>>712477560
Paying denbts for loans, a product they were banking on flopped, myriads of reasons really

>>712477497
>late-stage capitalism
Two more weeks, xister

>>712476985
Sometimes the owner (or one of multiple) just wants to cash out and retire.

>>712477851
And what would you call it?

>>712477497
>late-stage capitalism
this memephrase was invented a century ago, btw

>Video games? You niggers think this is funny? Is this a fucking game to you?

Is their shareholder Italian

>>712477721
No anon, vidya games being $80 now doesn't mean the world is going to shit.
In fact, it means everyone has too much fucking money that they'll buy a Switch 2 on release.

CEOs should be able to execute shareholders on the spot.

>>712451442
>>712453001
This is called usury (atleast a type of it)k it was banned in all religions (except one) until recently in the 1950s where it was unbanned (by a certain group of small hat people)

>>712477721
>now it's starting to fail
It isn't. You're legitimately mentally-ill if you think le ebul capitalism is going to le collapse.

>>712455141
We did genocide them 109 times

>>712477801
What debts? Why would they take said debts and not expect to have to pay them back?

>>712461531
>Give me literally any reason why the stock market shouldn't be banned.
It would be extremely antisemitic.

>>712450828 (OP)
Yes. This culture of "shareholders are the boss" might be one of the most toxic things to happen to any company ever in terms of delivering quality products. and not fucking consumers. I understand that companies can need the funds investors bring in but the point of investing is supposed to be a risk. You invest because you believe in the potential for it to be profitable. It's still not your company and if you feel it is not earning you money, then pull your funding and move on. They shouldn't have to bend to you and should succeed or fail on their own decisions and either way, that's the risk you signed up for by investing. Win some, lose some. Don't like it? Don't invest.

>>712478608
Sorry buddy, anti-shareholder language like that is gonna earn you a few years in jail. Don’t you know it would be violence against them to hurt their bank accounts?

>>712478405
I dunno man, ask the currently insolvent Ubisoft, it just happens
Bottom line is, if you've gotten to the point where you've lost the majority of your company's shares, either you don't want anything to do with it anymore and just want to retire or something went really wrong down the line

>>712476683
>>712475287
>butthurt commietroon cried to the janny to delete the facts that destroy his ideology
LOL

>>712477273
>>712477463
>>712478820
>Being this butthurt that even the guys working for hotpockets are sick of your lies.
LMAO, and you do it for free.

>/v/ doesn't know how credit cards work and can't afford a $10 increase for video games but they have deep knowledge of the way the economy works and what laws should exist to control it
what explains this phenomenon?

I like the progression of threads like this because you can always pinpoint the moment when some timid, nervous corpo goon finds the thread and signals his feckless buddies to start damage control

Reminder that the wealth and rights of investors are considered more important by the American government than your:
>Health
>Public infrastructure
>Right to ownership
>Privacy
>Safety
>Job
>Ability to retire
>Video games

>>712478017
Early stage capitalism

>>712479330
Extremely easy to figure out when the shills arrived when suddenly people were playing damage control for shareholders and saying you're a commie if you aren't licking their boots.

>>712478943
>lies
Let's hear your refutation, you lying commietroon freak.

>>712479439
you're not entitled to my savings

>>712479720
Are you a commie?

>>712478062
>Video games
Not what I was talking about, retard. I'm talking about why 80$ is stressing people the fuck out, why people are paying more than 50% of their income in rent, why most jobs are dogshit now or constantly in flux / unstable, why it seems like almost everyone is hard up as fuck, despite any western country being objectively far richer now than during the 60's-2000's
It's pretty funny to think about how my parents were able to buy such a nice fucking house, comfortably raise 3 kids and give us nice things on the money they made. They'd live in a shitshack and I'd have been lucky to be playing a PS1 in 2006 if it was like shit is now

>>712478943
>bunkertranny outs himself
Without capitalism, you'd be breaking your back at some forced labor camp, not whining about vidya on a basketweaving forum.

>>712480071
do you need the hustle and bustle of the big city?

>>712480071
Ever seen the movie Falling down?

>>712480330
I don't live in a big city
>>712480360
Yeah it's pretty good

>>712479730
>>712479925
>>712480082
>They're still here playing damage control for shareholders
LMAO, I hope you aren't being paid for this.

>>712451442
Bro the stock market made making money easy as shit.

>>712480903
I'm not siding with either party in this intra-corpo dispute, commielard.
I'm siding against your retarded, destructive, batshit insane commie ideology.

>>712480691
where do you live?

>>712457749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4
prescient

>>712480903
You dodged the question.
Are you a commie?

>>712467936
That precedent only holds up in Delaware. If you don't incorporate in Delaware, you don't have to give a fuck.

That is why most American companies are incorporated in Delaware.

>>712463593
>Well yeah, he's rich so he must be smart
Well people often confuse science with engineering and success with intelligence.

>>712481597
>>712481926
>>712482024
>I'm not siding with either party
Starting off with lie and pretending he's a fence sitting that sides with the side he's totally not in the tank for.
You shareholder bootlickers coordinating like this is too obvious

>>712482425
What "lie", you mentally-ill schizo?

>>712456658
>kill all bourgeois

>>712450828 (OP)
>>712451442
>>712453001
Keep this in mind whenever you see someone assumed to be competent just because he's rich. Vast, vast majority of investors know literally nothing about what they're investing in, and get angry if you try to inform them. All their tiny brains want to hear is "line goes up". They don't comprehend the reasons.

>>712457424
>when the workers revolution of japan busts open the door to his house and asks him to beg for mercy.
Communism lost.
You will never be a revolutionary.
You will never be a commissar.
You will never be a dictator.
And you will never be a woman.

>>712482425
Are you a commie? (3rd time asking)

>>712477516
>he thinks intelligent people are getting into harvard

retard spotted

>>712468657
The companies didn't make a moral stance, they gained capital from gigantic investment firms in exchange for pushing the personal beliefs of a chief executive. Only when that investment dried up did these companies experience shortfalls. And now that it's mostly gone, they are changing course. At no point did these companies ever stop prioritizing maximum profit. All that changed was who they had to appease in order to profit.

>WHYDUN YALL INVESTINIGGAS SHAREOL DEEZ NUTS

Woah wtf??

>>712482802
>>712483334
>They're still at their damage control
>But one of their fellow shills is gone
And then there were 2 shareholder bootlickers

>>712450828 (OP)
they'd never do this today. iwata is rolling in his grave.

>>712450828 (OP)
what did the ceo said? I read it but didnt get it

>the people that own the game company and pay for the entire development cost of every game should decide what the company does
There is literally no good reason to disagree

>>712485890
It should actually be illegal

If you don't WORK on something you should have no say

You're just a fucking parasite stealing money that WORKERS generated

If that requires completely restructuring society away from "capitalism" where LAZY PARASITES such as:

1) Shareholders
2) Creditors
3) Property owners (rent-seeking)

Who do NOTHING productive in relation to that money suck up the vast majority of wealth

Well... then so be it

>>712477695
Because literally EVERY single country that is socialist/communist has been:

- Invaded by the USA
- Sanctioned by the USA
- Had puppet leaders installed/bribed
- Had rebel groups funded/armed
- Generally fucked with by the USA

>>712455059
This is pretty true. I'm not a rich man, but it's how a lot of investment firms work. They aggregate a bunch of small "investments" from wagies into a large glut of cash that they can use to invest in a fuckton of things to build a stock portfolio. The idea being for every 9 stocks that eat complete shit, there's one stock that makes up for the loss.

>>712485368
He basically told him to fuck off. He's trying to explain how discussing video games is important to the financial success of a video game company and concludes by saying they will continue discussing video games.
Shareholder:
>stop talking about video games, only talk about money!
Kimishima:
>talking about the company's business operations is very important
= talking about money is important
>as an entertainment company, it is also very important to inform our shareholders about [...] video game content
= and we make money by making vidya
>we will continue trying to thoroughly discuss our business operations
= so we will keep talking about money
>we will continue to respond to questions from other shareholders regarding the kinds of entertainment
= and we will keep talking about the vidya that makes that money

>>712461301
>geek-mop-sociopath
It should be required reading.

>>712483220
I remember people making fun of this guy and then it turned out it was all just Portland leftist infighting

>>712462781
It's everyone's fault. Imagine a sufficiently enlightened society made up of members that reject this from bottom to top.
>hey I want you guys to stop making the game/product and instead turn it into some exploitative BS for whales
>"no we don't do that."
Now Imagine they can't find anyone who would work on something that clearly makes the world worse. Literally everyone is guilty of not having integrity and we get the fucking world we deserve. A world of compromised emasculated sell outs. The worse it gets, the harder it is to fight back. But the absolute giga whitepill is just how powerful an individual truly is. I see it at my jobs, the higher ups wi try pushing some absolute BS policy that makes life worse for everyone. And everyone will be scared to resist because they don't want to get fired. But it literally starts with just one person refusing, shirking, etc. Then more people join in feeling emboldened. Suddenly they can't fire everyone, so they are forced to fall back, at least temporarily.

If only we weren't in such a state of learned helplessness. Evil people DO exist but they're a minority desu. It's just the apathetic are easy to guide one way or another, and evil sociopaths are a lot better and more willing to use the apathetic masses as a weapon

>>712475981
Reminds me of C
The anime

AI will save gaming from the sharegods

>>712465565
Yes, companies can exist without shareholders, but not the other way around.
The shareholder is the parasite.

>>712490237
Unfortunately its not an issue of individual failure, its a structural problem. This is a bit like the whole
>Instead of only some tiny percentage, what if everyone voted for the 3rd party (green etc) in US elections - if they did it, they'd win!
but that mistakes how the existing structure is built to prevent that from being likely to happen. Apathy is an issue, but a lot of it is those with resources and power (ie capital) structuring things in such a a way that it makes it much harder to do anything than what they want without basically knocking down their entire structure first. Yes its often those evil sociopaths, or just general greedy fuckers with vested interests who build these structures, but its not an issue of people being apathetic but anything that threatens their system is actively made more difficult.

Those in control of capital built a system that values it and those who extract it far over labor and those that produce it. So maybe you're finally a C-level exec at some gaming company and you're going to do it right - no predatory bullshit, just quality games. You refuse gacha or lootboxes or FOMO-ridden battle passes - your game is published and it does... well. However, your shareholders (internal, and certainly any external) start whining - you COULD have had a much larger ROI if you did those things! You also find that the bank your company works with is not willing to extend you credit to work on your next one, because you're "risky" leaving money on the table like that, so your interest rate is higher. So you're in violation of fiduciary responsibility to shareholders, and the board votes to remove you and gets a Kotick-alike to come in or worse takes the faustian bargain with private equity which allows them (and the execs) to abscond while your company's assets are sold off for pieces a la Embracer or others

While a person standing up is a good thing, its structures that need to be changed

>>712460709
You are jewish

>>712465151
Because you need money to make money that way.

>>712450828 (OP)
Shareholders and corporations in general prove that any human being has the potential to be a parasite. Jews just get the most flack for being the best at it, but ol' whitey and anyone else has just as much potential to be a fucking leech.

Investor's are dumb. They are just another form of gambler. It's always about making the most money with the least amount of risk involved.

>>712456078
Retard

>>712489672
Interesting read
Reminds me of anime from like the early/mid 70s to the end of the 80s of you read old articles and magazines
And then visual novels from the late 80s to the early 00s

>>712492896
Cool story, schizo. Now back to the topic—whether it's suits or clowns like you, neither should be dictating what games get made. Let the devs cook.

>>712453001
You have NEVER been to /biz/

>>712469839
>imagine suing a company and its owner because they wanted to give their workers a slight pay raise

>Nevermind the fact you're the highest stock owners of said company getting the most dividends

>You pretty much killed the chance of improved workflow and cash, not just for you, but the workers also, because you were petty the owner was doing what was best for his company and not buying into your batshit insane ideas

The fact that the dodge brothers won this lawsuit tells me everything I need to know about how "compromised" life is.

>>712498027
>Henry Ford asks for investment promising a return
>decides he's going to make less money for his investors so he can pretend to be charitable
yes the Dodge bros deserved to win

>>712497309
>A bunch of retarded PeePee the frog and whojak is that? posters talking about useless digital currency

Have been and never will go back..

>>712461242
>highest selling, most innovative (for their series/franchise) games have been coming out of nintendo for the past decade
>le cut corners and lack of quality
yea ok snoy kek

>>712450828 (OP)
why does nintendo need shareholders?

Why are zoomers obsessed with "being allowed" to do a thing?

>>712450828 (OP)
>Be investor
>Invest in VIDEO GAME company
>"I don't understand video games!!!!!!!!!!! Why do you guys keep talking about them!!!!!!!"

>>712498905
this

why not be a private company like steam

>>712479330
Even more funny how they all left at the same time too.
Imagine being on the clock to shill for shareholders on 4chan.

>>712498905
>>712499575
This. So much fucking THIS. Load those fuckers onto an airplane just to shove them out into a desert while firing ALL of them.

ESPECIALLY Doug "EAfaggot ChiCom-loving Jew-owned" Bowser and Shunto "Greedy Jew-like Bankerfag Accountantfag" Furukawa.

>>712450828 (OP)
>they always discuss things relating to video games or such childish topics
Are videogames, inherently, childish?

Are we the bad guys are they(the shareholders) the bad guys?

Wow, it's still up