what the FUCK went so wrong?

civ switching
ages
DEI rando leaders
map generation
obsoleting every building after age switches
making every tile the same worth
deleting armies and nerfing cities twice a game
railroaded gameplay
no great people
enemy civ settling AI
peace deal options
leader levels to unlock special abilities
Civs like England are DLC or cut
this is only the stuff off of the top of my head

I dunno, I never bought it because I don't support games that delay the release of standard edition compared to deluxe edition

they have an anti-cheat/mods clause in their terms of service
> (3) You will not use, promote, or make available any bug, glitch, exploit, cheat, “mod menu,” hack, script, bot, unauthorized mod, or other methods that interact with the Services resulting in a breach this Agreement. This includes any such methods that to collect information or user data; exploit system vulnerabilities; circumvent content moderation or filtering systems; or otherwise intercept, redirect, or interfere with the operation of the Services as intended.
they have an anti-cheat that crashes (they may have fixed this since then) the game if cheat engine or wemod is enabled: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1295660/discussions/0/591762563949138474/
just horribly cucked

>>712506737 (OP)
I paid no attention after seeing le civ switching. What were they thinking?

>>712507215
Pretty accurate desu. fpbp.
>civ switching
How people defend this choice is insane. How it made into the game I have no idea. It's just such a bad idea.

>>712506737 (OP)
>civ swapping killed any hype dead in its tracks
>hariett tubman made everyone laugh at the pathetic DEI pandering
>terrible horrible monetization + day 1 price + bad gameplay
>everyone who bought it got an early alpha build for the price of a full game

>>712507412
Hot take here
I thought it would have been cool if they added Martin Luther King as a leader

WE WUZ pandering

>>712507215
What I think is funny is you still see people say "well t-they'll patch and release expansions later to make it good. G-give it a chance", when most of the major problems the game has are baked into it's core design.
>civ switching
>ages
>distant lands
>overbuilding
>legacy pathways
It's just fucked, man.

>>712507317
>>712507770
Yeah all of the core design elements are the problems. Maybe in 2033 a good civ will release...

>>712507215
FPBP

>>712507770
I could see DLC maybe fixing Ages, Distance Lands and Overbuilding (giving an advantage for that?)

But I agree the Civ Switching and Legacy Pathways are the biggest blunder and no way DLC/expansions fix those. Switching was their key feature for showing off and EVERYONE hated it and it's just not Civ. I doubt it returns in Civ8 in 2030.

>Civilization might actually turn into a dead franchise this decade

All you had to do was take the formula of the two most popular games, 4 or 5, and improve on them. Instead you chose to steal the worst ideas from Humankind, a 4X people also see as mediocre at best. Bravo.

>>712507215
The entire thing is meticulously designed to be the worst kind of garbage.

>>712508034
>choosing to steal the worst ideas from Humankind
>which was a massive flop
>ideas that were nearly universally and vocally disliked
What goes through the mindset of the boardroom where someone approved these mechanics?

>>712507215
It's astonishing how retarded they are. Clearly the people in charge don't even play civ or 4X games. Our society is supposed to be about maximising profit but they can't even do that. It seems to be a mixture of cancerous/retarded ideology and perhaps nepotism running the show.

>>712506737 (OP)
WE

>>712508281
WUZ

>>712508336
PRESIDENTZ

just two more dlcs and they'll fix everything

MH Wilds haters, THIS game is an example of a flop where the old ones were better

>times when /v/ was wrong

>>712508223
>It's astonishing how retarded they are. Clearly the people in charge don't even play civ or 4X games. Our society is supposed to be about maximising profit but they can't even do that. It seems to be a mixture of cancerous/retarded ideology and perhaps nepotism running the show.
This is my favorite part of people who defend dogshit games. People will blame ANYONE but the people who designed the fucking game.

>>712508570
Well done, now post the current playercount for this masterpiece.

>>712508336
KANGZ

sid looked very excited in the trailer about this game in particular, not like those other civ games, it must be good

>>712508194
>we can sell even more DLC by tripling the number of required civs!!!

>>712508570
Literally who?

>>712506737 (OP)
Karma for shitting on Humankind despite it being objectively better than Civ 6

I'm glad. Civ trannies deserved it after pretending 2 games full of shit game design and braindead AI were amazing

>>712508570
Professional reviewers are literal paid shills.

>>712508570
Civ 5 literally has twice the players right now that civ 7 has
Civ 5 is 15 years old btw

>>712508570
pretending to be retarded is the same thing as actually being retarded

got turned into libtard propaganda that's what

>>712508570
As if anyone ever needed more proof that gaming journalism is absolutely worthless and should never be trusted. When was the last time gaming journos and users had the same opinions about a bad game actually being bad? Games journos loved Forspoken, loved Redfall, loved Dragon Age Veilguard, loved Concord, loved everything about nuMarathon up until the Art Raiders saga. Meanwhile even when they are agreeing a game like Elden Ring is good they are snidely complaining that the game has incompetent UX and being all smug about how much better western games are. They were absolutely unironically trying to sell us the line that Concord was going to be the next big thing and that it was an amazing well polished hero shooter with great characters.

Best thing about Civ7 is its made all my friends reinstall Civ5.

I don't understand the point of any Civ game made after 3. Graphics peaked there, and they are all ultimately the same thing. I stopped playing these after 5.

>>712509628
>being all smug about how much better western games are
It's crazy how insecure gamejournos are about Japanese games being good. They don't even make games but they identify with devs so much that they still feel threatened by them.

>>712507215
>making every tile the same worth
Did they seriously? That is beyond meme retardation.

>>712510040
5 is pretty gud for tall and 6 is pretty good for Wide and districts are fun.

They need to completely shitcan this game, write it off as a failure and go back to making new leaders and civs for civ 6.

>>712510182
Parasites don't have anywhere to live if their hosts get killed off by superior organisms.

>>712508194
easy.
humankind devs got hired by civ studio because they put "worked on AAA civlike game" on their resume.
either their seething at civ or their coping at their ideas being laughed at drove them to fill civ with every aspect of their failed game.

>>712510543
I just wonder if they can swallow their pride enough to do that or move on to Civ 8. They're much more likely to double down and spend the next 5 years trying to salvage 7 while pretending it's not a complete flop.

>>712507532
I actually agree. I love the idea of cultural icons representing countries. I would 100% play as Elvis or Simo Haya or David Bowie or Steve Jobs; limiting themselves only to statesmen has constrained the game.

>>712513062
They didn't do that because of the great people system, so I guess now that they've gotten rid of that mechanic you might get your wish.

>>712507215
I've heard the map has bad readability regarding your buildings and stuff, is that accurate?

>>712513013
7 will still gets its mandatory 2 expansion packs, they'll still go through the motions. Its way too much of a public embarrassment for companies like this to just abandon major titles early.

Anyone else think it was made to be a phone game?

>>712508001
At least in the past if someone made a bad title for a series, you only had to wait another two years or so before they had another attempt. It's fucking baffling that it's becoming normal to wait almost a decade for another title in a series, and that doesn't guarantee that it will be any good.

>>712513246
It feels like they wanted to turn Civ into a competitive e-sport game, which is why all the resources are the same and the army/culture/tech resets keep everyone on the same playing field.

>>712513236
>2 expansions
Civ 5: Beyond Earth/"SMAC, SMAX 2.0" was poorly received and only had one.

I would not count on 7 getting 2 expansions if the player base continues to nosedive.

>>712513410
Which is funny becaues Civ6 was them trying to copy the board-game(s) based on it.

>>712513191
Pretty much. They made the cities have a standardized aesthetic but the color coded districts were easy to spot at a glace

>>712513412
Beyond Earth wasn't quite a main title like a full-on Civ (Number) is
I think they'll more likely make great dramatic chops at 7 rather than abandon it

>>712513483
I don't know how people play with yields AND grids on

>>712513561
It really depends on how well the first expansion sells and if players come back or if retainment continues to lower. Which was more my point.

Beyond Earth was poorly recieved, 7 is poorly received. BE's player count was lower than Civ 5 (just like... 7's right now). BE's expansion didn't bring anyone back to it and the hype for it was dead. So they stopped investing it in it and moved on.

The same can/could happen with 7 if the first expansion doesn't try to attempt to fix the glaring issues and get players to come back.

>>712513619
I like grids, but my friends who play Civ think I'm crazy for playing with yields off.

>>712506737 (OP)
>33k reviews
This means at least 33k people bought it. Judging by the fact that only 1% of players leave reviews, the game sold at least a milion copies. Seems like a success to me, a financial one, even if the game itself is shit.
You retards will buy anything as long as it's from a long running series.

>>712507215
I think there is a world where ages (and therefore civ switching) could be done well
Not this one obviously, but theoretically

>>712507532
Should have had branching leaders, not civs. Have America start with one of the founding fathers, preferably Washington plus one other option, and later in the game you go through civil rights and pick MLK or Malcom X

>>712507770
Distant Lands could work if there was a sliding scale of distance with each Age or Technology completed (assuming you don't overhaul everything about Civ 7). And, of course, if they tripled the map size.

>>712509628
>When was the last time gaming journos and users had the same opinions about a bad game actually being bad?
The last one I can think of is Mindseye.

>>712514289
Lel. That is AA thoughbeit, I was more thinking of AAA billion dollar company paid off shill reviewer flops (Microsoft, Sony, Ubisoft, Squeenix, etc.)

>>712513715
They are silly, silly people. Especially in modern Civ where your yields are either always worked (7) or the citizen management is so incompetent it doesn't matter (6). It mattered more in 4 and 5, but even there you only need to see the yields when managing tiles or picking where to settle.

>>712513483
What I really don't understand is why they made it so that city districts don't preserve their architectural style through the ages/civ revolutions. Like, wasn't that the entire point of giving them distinct styles? To show the historical evolution of your city?

>>712514143
Then it's just Crusader Kings IV but with tactical rather than strategic combat. You might as well play Old World or mod it to go past 1 AD.

> 600+ hours in Civ5
> 4 hours in Civ6
> haven't bought Civ7

>>712514569
same

>>712514569
>hotdog, japan
VGH! I NEED IT!

>>712514364
Skull and Bones?

>>712514631
I thought it was a hotdog, Mediterranean.
Which would make it a hotdalmatian

>>712514630
What was it for you? Might be autistic but I just couldn't fucking stand the leader art style
Pixar lookin asses

>>712506737 (OP)
POST THE MEMES!!!

>>712514569
I was a big civ 5 lover and dropped civ 6 shortly after launch but I went back to it recently and really liked it with all the expansions, new modes and extra leaders they added over the years. It took a bit longer to really hook me in but once I got into it i started to appreciate the districts system and how it does add some neat depth to the game.

>>712514745
Which one? 6? The game was just fucking ugly. The map, UI, leaders, all looked like shit. I also hated the immature humor in the tech tree quotes. 7? For all the reasons already stated ITT

>>712506737 (OP)
>made for mobile first
>made for console second
>doubled down on the worst features of CIV 6
>copied the worst features of their failed rival Humankind
>it's no longer possible to build a civilization that stands the test of time
>national leaders are neither leaders nor belong the nation anymore
>leader models and animations look fucking awful
>civs were given traits with the intention of making them feel unique but they end up making every playthrough feel the same

>>712514736
Skull and Bones was AAAA, not AAA :^)

In reality though it's currently sitting on metacritic with a critic score almost double that of the user score. I would not call that agreeing that the big budget bad game is bad. I would call that the critics giving it the bare minimum (mid) they can without impacting their advertising payments and the users calling it shit.

>>712514569
>850 hours in Civ 5
>76% of achievements

>100 hours in Civ 6
>9 completed games
And I know I was playing some of those on Quick/MP pace too. Civ 6 is a game that is so fucking slow and has so many stupid minigames it becomes a chore to play. There's no way I could play half as much of Civ 6's content as I could Civ 5's in the same amount of time.

>>712508570
I will pay you to price my post. How much would you give it? If you give me less than 4/5 you pay is cut in half.

test

>>712514745
You know what's real autism? The fact that I hated Civ 6 for displaying military units, like Spearmen, with 4 individuals instead of 5. 5 units would look proper on their tiles: 2 in front, 3 behind, or vice versa. instead they go with this stupid 4-man unit design so you have 3 guys in a line and 1 in front to the side. Why?

on the idea board the evolving civ sound cool
so you can have some ancient civ that grow into modern civ and keep to play with new unique toys through out the gamew
but the way they did it is just wokeshit virtual signalling checkbox
>hey every civs originally came from niggers african tribe

>>712514143
>MLK or Malcom X
Fuck that, I want Elijah Mohamed.

>>712513917
I don't think civ switching can in a Civ game, at least not with most long term fans of the series. It breaks the core of how many people relate to what is going on in the game.

>>712515438
Eh, they still got Greeks and Romans if you want to start off white or at least white*

>>712515798
>>712515438
>ancient Egypt "evolves" into Buganda

>>712514569
>860 hours in 5
>one game in 6 that didn't get finished
>no interest in 7
A bit funny to me Civ 5 turned in to something looked back on fondly. I remember it got a lot of flak (deserved before updates/dlc) and 4 was the one propped up for the longest time.

They also have very strange choices made with the age system and civs. Like is someone like the Mayans and Inca a fucking medieval/renaissance/discovery age civilization? Same with Buganda being modern.

>>712515879
for me it's civ 3

>>712516505
those cutscenes sure are nice. or was that in civ 4?
I remember one civ game also had the "important people change clothes to fit the era and civ's style" gimmick.

>>712515441
The Honorable Elijah Mohamed you twat. His spies are actually just all the different secretaries he knocked up and on the dl.

still mad. Thank god for Endless Legend 2 and Anno 117

>>712519334
>Anno 117
We get any news about that one?

>>712519407
coming out november, has rudimentary wanna be total war ground combat

>>712519568
I get that most of /v/ is too young to remember that most Anno games have had ground combat like this, but calling it "wanna be total war" is such a silly take.

>>712506737 (OP)
All I had to see to know it was going to be catastrophic was the doubling down on consoles and taking it to the switch

>>712507215
That'll do it.
How's Civ 6 nowadays? I played it on release and I thought it was okay, but I expect expansions might have made it better?
I really liked Civ 4 and 5

>>712506737 (OP)
Women, black, gays and jewish money.

every civ after 2 has been a downgrade

>>712520218
It's good. Unfortunately still has the problem of the AI being shit but that's every civ game.

Reject modern slop
return to KINO

>>712507215

FPBP
Civ 7 is fucked in a way no previous mainline Civ ever was.

>>712513709

7 is dead then, since none of its primary problems can be fixed by adding more stuff to it.

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>>712515248

It's three troops and a commander.

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>>712522087
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Always thought about trying this series out
Which game is a good entry to start with?

>>712514569
>2,400+ hours in civ 5
>refunded beyond earth after finishing 1 game
>didn't even finish one game in 6 before refunding
>haven't bought 7

It's damn sad that the game series that introduced me to 4x games (with civ2) has been in such a bad state for a long time.

>>712519334
>Endless Legend 2
dont hold your breath

>>712506737 (OP)
The shittiest UI I've hands down ever seen literally looks like a placeholder UI that you would put in later

>>712506737 (OP)
Designed for multi platform.

>>712508570
>buying awards means it's good

>>712514759
they really thought redditors would clap and go "WOAAAHHH LOOOL THATS SO WHACKYYYYYYY!" like Vic 2/EUIV but its just so fucking stupid

>>712506737 (OP)
>copy game that bombed
>your game bombs
how... could this have happened???

Someone please do a scientific study complete with dev interviews on how anybody thought it was a good idea to abandon your formula that worked for 6 FUCKING GAMES to copy a formula that made your competitors COMPETITORS (MORE THAN FUCKING ONE) fail like thats so fucking crazy to me it makes me think they did that shit on purpose

>>712524342
This raises a question, would they have tried to sell a Poland DLC that adds Wojtek as a leader?

I'm probably one of the only people that likes it. All it needs is age transitions to be linked to objectives rather than a set time limit.

>>712524508
Same type of decision making that made Bethesda make everything in Shitfield as bland as possible

>>712508616
>People will blame ANYONE but the people who designed the fucking game.
Not people, r*dditors

>>712524708
He is a brown bear and thus not a white man, so the chance is not 0%.

>>712508194
It's even more fucked because even people who like Humankind are at best mixed on the idea of civ switching

When they made a game specifically for consoles it was actually good. Even the DS version was good.

>>712514569
463h for V
460h for VI

>>712524148
They didn't have Luigi this time so it's to be expected

>>712506737 (OP)
No nuclear Ghandi, no buy.
Simple as.

Yes Harriet Tubman as the leader of the entire US thanks! that was a great decision defended by faggot redditors who have never touched a Civ game hey nice work listening to them how's that going? Lowest rated and lowest played modern civ game? Guess it was worth it

steam says 800h on civ5 but its probably more cause i go through proton jank half the time and achievements dont register right. civ6 seemed pretty okay except pointless minor changes and i hated the permanent annoyance of religious battles. 2h.

>>712508570
Whoa- it got a bunch of awards from outlets I don't respect at all!

TOTAL

LEFTIST

UNEMPLOYMENT

SOON

>>712507215
Fpbp.
Civ games are supposed to be a layup. Imagine fucking it up this bad.

>>712520218
Civ 6 has the problems of your starting area impacting you significantly more thanks to district adjacency bonuses, generally mediocre maps, research massively outpacing production, and a cartooney art style. Its strengths are varied and significant civ/great person/minor cov differences, punishment for forward settling, the district system, and disasters. I'd give it a chance atm if you've liked civ games before

>>712507295
imagine being such a big retarded loser you cry about a game not allowing cheating

>>712506737 (OP)
>newer game
>but with less content than any other previous entry
Its that simple

>>712508570
>bunch of literal who tier websites.

>>712510040
>I don't understand the point of any Civ game made after 3.
you can be diagnosed as autistic based on this sentence alone.

>>712513483
baby colored districts were maybe the worst aspect of civ 6

>>712510040
4 is a direct improvement on every level, 5 is the major breaking change.

Districts are a decent idea concept wise but it just makes the map ugly.

>>712524928
Even the fucking Java version of Civ was fun to play.

>>712519934
I haven't played older annos or any total wars, but when I watched the video I too thought it looked "total war-like"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGJKEWw3wr4

>>712528458
Endless Legend did the districts better by virtue of the districts actually being part of the city rather than effectively outposts

>>712523727
civ 5 or civ 6 depending on if you want to spam cities (if so, go civ 6) and what graphical style you prefer

>>712506737 (OP)
Every civ since civ 5 has been pure fucking ass and anyone who spends money on this shovelware garbage deserves to be ripped off at this point

>>712506737 (OP)
>So bad one of their major shills went into a spiralling depression because they can't make new videos of said game.
Never base your entire career on a single entire video game series.

Endless Legend 2 will save you, civbros. Come into the light

The new EULA is also spyware and they sell your data.
I wanted to like CIV VII so bad. I don't even mind the age transition stuff with different Civ's because it always gives you new unique stuff and is "realistic". However I 100% understand why it is a dealbreaker for many. And honestly I still like the old system.
Also the dripfeed content stuff like not having large maps etc. at start is fucking disgusting. Same with the game crashing all the time and I have beefy PC so it shouldn't happen.
Trying to refund it but we'll see because I have 40 hours in it. Just don't wanna play a game that starts stealing my data and probably has already sold the stuff they collected somehow. It fucking sucks, EULA change like that should be illegal.

>>712528458
I like them when they're actually clustered together naturally so it actually looks like one city

When they're scattered everywhere all over the city's 3-tile radius and don't look connected at all, then I agree its a mess

I always wanted to like civ but the flavor kills it for me. Why does it have a history skin but is almost pure fantasy? It makes much more sense to make it full fantasy and leave history to those who follow the history theme more closely

Civ IV is the best Civ.

>>712529024
in civ 6 districts could never look like one city due to the big spaces between adjacent districts and to completely different colors making each district either "the green houses" or "the pink houses" etc.

>>712508194
I can't imagine that Firaxis did this by themselves without interference from higher-ups, they need to be rescued from their corporate bosses.

>>712506737 (OP)
People were complaining already about civ 6. How they made it even worse with civ 7 is beyond me.

>>712524923
My biggest problem with it in Humankind was that it made every game feel the exact same.

Hariet tubman leader was the final straw.
Beyond earth had the retarded africans being the best in their lore
Vi had so many bad things like mobile graphics terrible leaders and taking out things that were in v to re add them as dlc.

leaned too far into ripping off the fucking retards who actually bought this hahaha it was obviously going to be garbage what the fuck why did you buy this

>Ada Lovelace is a leader now
haha excuse me what the fuck.

Civ6 was the sign they're just in a formula of making a skeleton game with the bare necessities to be called a 4X game and then filling the rest in later with two more $60 DLCs. they'll announce a Civ7: Slightly Less Shit expansion in a year, probably after some more $5 leader/civ packs

>>712529593
It's good to sometimes step out of your bubble: Civ 6 has been a massive success for them, no matter what the nerds at civfanatics write.

>>712506737 (OP)
cuv switching is just not fun it’s the anti-thesis of larping as your civ

>>712530037
Maybe you ought to take your own advice. Success doesn't mean no complaints, retard.

When was the last time they released a civ game that was a complete product at launch?

>>712529810
Honestly Ada Lovelace kind of leaders etc. wouldn't bother me normally. Like even some African/Asian civilizations I have never heard of before are cool to see, because it gives representation to all kinds of history and educates people.
But the fact they never represent my country fucking sucks. Yeah it's a small country and we aren't "that important" in grand scheme of history, but it still fucking sucks. Like would been cool to have my country as Modern civ at least when our country became bit more relevant.
T.Finn.

>>712506737 (OP)
Nothing? It's a natural evolution of VI.

>>712530161
How is it being a city state at best?

>>712530156
2016

Is culture win a thing at all?
You have to divide resources to military for when you inevitably get attacked.
So you have to get good rng and early expansion anyways, you might as well do military instead.

>>712530161
>they never represent my country
course they do.

>>712530245
Fucking sucks.
Like I said, I know Finland isn't the biggest or most important country. But seeing Mughal and Bugandan as Modern Civ instead is just bit painful. Like the game needs fuckton of more civs in general. And the whole game runs in the trouble of skipping Britain in Exploration age when Britain was kinda fucking strong and important. Also it's kinda strange how they draw the lines for the three different ages. Feels like Antiquity is from Ancient Egypt to like early Middle-Ages but then Exploration is from Middle-Ages to just late Renaissance? And Modern is just everything from that point onward? That includes fucking huge amount of events.

>>712530398
Lel

>>712523727
The Endless games.

>>712508223
Modern business is a club of asskissers continuously rediscovering that asskissers don't actually know how to drive profit.

>>712506737 (OP)
The whole strategy genre is pretty fucked now thanks to Paradox's monetisation method taking hold. All the big series are now trying to sell you some form of major DLC every quarter so in reality you'll end up spending $200+ for the full game. Then when the next in the series comes around they cut out half the features to bring in casuals and to justify having features to resell to you as new DLC.

You're pretty much making an up front investment gambling on whether the game will end up as a feature complete experience or end up abandoned and barely playable.

>>712529190
trve

>>712530161
>>712530694
Nigga you've been in Civ 5.

>>712507532
I feel like the Harriet Tubman thing would have been funnier in an April Fools DLC where they add civ leaders who were notable historical figures but would otherwise be awful picks for a world leader.

>>712534079
She was fucking war hero chud

>>712536128
*shits in your pants*

>>712520595
Doesnt work in my computer ;_;

>>712520218
It's no Civ5, but it had the healthcare driller make it's UI, so it's worth buying for his bail fund.

>>712524928
Hell, Civ2 is also pretty solid.

They could've just used that mode for their "quick play" version of 7.

>>712507215
Excellent list.
You forgot that leaders that have been in every civ since the first game like Gandhi are NOT in, breaking a long tradition.
This game is the definition of soulless.

>>712506737 (OP)
It's Civ for the non-civ audience but they never manifested

>>712508194
The opinions of the existing playerbase don't matter because they will buy your slop anyway, so you need to reach the peopel that haven't talked about Civ at all yet
So the game needs to be radically different because keeping it the same has clearly failed in growing the audience

>>712508570
Wow, this really reinforced what I was already thinking about games journalism

Based off what everybody's said in this thread, I really should check out Civ5, I remember watching the Game grumps play it like 13 years ago back in my middle school days
also my captcha was nnggr lmao

>>712507215
I'm still sort of flabbergasted that their logic seemed to be "Hey you know that game that flopped horribly and died? Let's copy it's homework!", and then also made a bunch of other changes which are the antithesis of what a Civ game is. Sure they chance some things each Civ iteration, but not the pillars of the franchise itself. I have bought ever Civ game since 3, I refuse to touch this piece of garbage.

>>712542861
EA thought the same and got burned with Veilguard.
And you can see that civ 7 is bombing badly right now.
This mindset is retarded and it's not like they had a decade to learn about it.

>>712543545
suits don't care
devs and game directors might be able to learn, but they aren't calling the shots

>>712513013
>They're much more likely
I'd argue they HAVE to. When it comes to making a massive game like this that will have a multiple years long development cycle, they take that into account when talking about revenue forecasts. So they may have pitched Civ 7 as having a strong start in sales, and then make even more in the subsequent years. But because the game was received so poorly and the player drop off was so severe, less people will also be buying the DLC because not very many people are playing. They sort of don't have a choice but to double down or tank the massive loss.

>>712506737 (OP)
She isn't in it

>>712543869
>suits don't care
Which ones? Because investors do care actually.
Ubisoft was unwilling to disclose how many copies AC shadow sold, which led investors to be less than impressed and caused the stock to tank.

>>712542982
Have fun, build a scout right away and maybe go tradition as your policy. Seek out ruins and city-states

I do like the aesthetics of 7 more than I do 6 by a long shot, but that's about it. But even with that being said the leaders still look kind of.. goofy? It's like they smashed 5-6 together instead of just going back to what players like previously.

Can I make a dungeon crawler like SMT 1 (the PSX version specifically) in PyGame? What are some of the main hurdles I would face and do you have a recommendation for an engine better suited for this?
I'm still relatively new to coding and look I get the whole "no if you're asking this" thing, but I honestly ever really learn things to make something I want so I am just very curious. For context, I would prefer if enemies and all that was sprites but only the walls were 3D objects.

>>712545174
Wrong thread?

>>712544125
[intentionally causing a schism]

>>712507317
>>712506737 (OP)
Let's make Humankind, but worse!

i hope it was worth it

>>712507215
>civ switching
The exact thing that made me lose all interest, stopped paying attention completely when I learned this
I want to fucking LARP, so let me larp

>>712506737 (OP)
Communist game. Utterly insane and unfun to play. The "fantasy" engaging the game is at its core the idea that every people in this earth are the same and culture is malleable and arbitrary.

This goes against the very format of civ and gaming in general. The overarching framing is something not even communists enjoy to play and therefore they didn't.

>>712507215
it also doesn't have hotseat. i know a lot of people didn't use the fuction, but i used it almost exclusively. no hotseat no buy, and that's on top of all of the other bullshit listed.

>>712528765
The funniest shit was when he made a rage video about NOT SHILLING A GAME and stopped playing it a months after despite playing 6 for so long. The best aspect of civ games was seeing your empire and civilization developing through time. When they said that history build in layers I thought they would make some fun interactions between buildings built in the past and how you use them in future like a library maybe can become a museum in future or some shit like that. Not just erase your progress.

The ages transition just like the devs!

>>712536128
>She was fucking war hero
This bothers me so much.
>the "battle" she fought in was that she was a ride along on boat lead by a white officer
>they approached the ferry and a pair of confedrate scouts or local farmers saw them and ran
>They set fire to an undefended bridge
>they then raided an undefended plantation, seized the food and burned some buildings and told the slaves there to escape
>black people swarmed the boats and nearly capsizing them but a few were rescued from the plantation
>tubman was along for the ride and her only participation was assuring the slaves they could trust the Union soldiers
>for several hours they hauled away plunder and slaves and the confederates didnt bother to oppose them and ignored the reports of the plantation raid until much later

The very next day pro-abolutionisy newspapers began the series of lies that Tubman lead the river raid and that she was a hero. This twisted version of history was long ago debunked as propoganda but it is the narrative that lead to her $20 bill portrait, and her apparance in thia godforsaken game.

>>712546698
What does hotseat do?

>>712547651
>It doesn't matter that she participated in a victorious raid on enemy territory, cause the enemy didn't fight back hard enough

>>712508223
>Our society is supposed to be about maximising profit but they can't even do that.
The real source of profit is making the product SEEM good for shareholders.
It's why game studios that aren't shareholder run release decent games and the others all eventually become shit.

>>712548746
Exactly. No one was shotnor killed, it wasnt even a battle.
Thousands of indian guides and other civilians did similar roles in partnship with the US military over the centuries, some doing far far more. Tubman shouldnt even be in the top 100,000 most famous or important americans.

>>712548613
Allows you to play with a friend sitting next to you on the same PC. For the entire lifespan of 5 and 6 I only used hotseat. It sort of became a weekly hangout session for me and a friend each week.

>>712506737 (OP)
>No Sumerians

>It made the review score for Humankind go UP
lmao

>>712550094
probably because humankind was at least trying to be original in some aspects as a new IP (even though they got some of their mechanics from another game too). but civ on the other hand just straight up copied them in some ways, and with a long established franchise.

>>712549362
But that's not what she's famous for, she's famous for her work with the underground railroad.
I didn't even learn about her participation in that 'battle' in High School history.
>>712549509
That sounds fun, puzzling they're remove a feature.

>>712528765
Honestly feel bad for him. It's clear Firaxis games are his life and Civ7 being bad is taking a toll on his health and livelihood. Honestly hope he feels better.

>>712527847
imagine being such a child that you throw a tantrum over someone else wanting to mod a product they own or make changes that could be done through console commands or in game editors for most of gaming history. don't post on this site again until you're over 18

>>712537656
>Doesnt work in my computer ;_;
Have you tried ON your computer?

>>712547395
>When they said that history build in layers I thought they would make some fun interactions between buildings built in the past and how you use them in future like a library maybe can become a museum in future or some shit like that. Not just erase your progress

They should have made it so that you can keep buildings from past ages but it requires production/gold each turn to keep it. Having old buildings could provide you with bonuses in culture, science, or gold. It's really that simple.

>>712528116
Like it'd be different with faggots like IGN

>>712514431
History and cultural distinction are both results of fascism, anon.

>talented devs make game
>game gets very popular
>publisher tell devs to make sequels
>talented devs get bored of making sequels
>they leave the studio
>publisher hire code monkeys to make sequels
>how hard can it be? we got the brand recognition as well
>new games are shit and have no soul
>studio reputation drops
>old talented devs have fun making indie games
many such cases

>>712550707
I've never understood that mindset, it's been around in gaming for as long as game modding has been a thing. How does what people do with their own game effect you as long as you're not cheating in multiplayer? It's just about control and weird sense of elitism kek. I remember years ago lamenting about not being able to use cheat engine so I could change some fov bullshit because the game didn't allow it and I asked about it on a forum and everyone was just saying "lmao get gud cheating cuck",

I don't really know anything about civ games, I think I played a bit of 4. What is civ switching and why does it break the game design?

>>712524071
6 is decent though. i mean if 5 is a 9/10 id give 6 a 7/10 and 7 a 3/10

I'm an outsider. What's with the civ switching? Does it have a huge penalty? What's the pro?

>>712551624
>>712551739
in all other games you picked a leader and a civilization and you got stuck with it the whole game like, Eleanor of England or Simon Bolivar of Grand Colombia

in civ 7 you pick and leader and a civilization but you get only stuck with the leader, for example, you pick George Washington of China, but then the antiquity age ends and you have to switch to three options like, George Washington of england/portugal/japan

>>712507215
They took a look humankind and thought like
>Let's copy the worst least liked feature of that entire game

>>712551480
it's not really about "cheating" itself as it as about "modding" and allowing players to create their own free content instead of buying DLCs.

>>712551873
But why

FFH2 makes Civ 4 one of the best Civ games in general, but I played the hell out of 5 and 6 too. 7 isn't even worth touching though.

Amplitude tricked them into copying mechanics one final time.

>>712551873
I see, that seems like a really bizarre direction for the game, I imagine there's no sense of identity when playing and all the matches blend together.

>anno: dead
>civ: dead
>settlers: dead

>>712552491
Isn't the jury still out there for Anno?

>>712552580
I have absolutely zero faith in a Ubi game anno (heh) 2025

>>712552394
The era mechanic also shits it up further and you can't actually have real historic situations like discovery age Spaniards finding practically stone age Mesoamericans and Incas. No civ left behind.

>>712507215
This about sums it up yeah.
When you put it that way it pretty much sounds like "everything". They fucked up everything.
Except the thing with packing up armies, which they copied from Humankind. If only they copied Humankind's combat wholesale, the only good part of that game.

>>712552662
Can't be worse than Anno 2205.

I'm still baffled they didn't do Hanno.

>>712552491
i thought the newest anno was pretty popular, the 1800s one, did something happen?

almost every single new feature ruins the core experience in one way or another, it's honestly impressive.

>>712514569
>400+ hours in Civ 5
>got Civ 6 for 1 cent in a humble bundle accidentally, never installed it
>checked out of caring about Civ 7 once they showed civ switching
It's incredible there are so many of us. Civ 5's 30 day average player count is twice that of Civ 7 and still manages to be half that of Civ 6.

Imagine working at Firaxis and realizing your much larger, better funded team is being continuously BTFO by your own, older game which won by doing nothing.

>>712552728
lmao the images they showed when they revealed the world map had to decrease sales by 100k alone

>>712506737 (OP)
These bullshit games should have like 15 leaders to pick per nation, with a nation bonus, anda leader bonus.... each game from 4 onward hss barely added dick and its clear they spend their entire development fucking with values from the same codebase and making new assets, while further splitting the playerbase. Its retarded and Civ deserves to die

>>712506737 (OP)
went woke.

>>712524342
That's the thing, they're way behind the trend here. Redditors don't clap at wacky stuff in paradox games anymore, redditors are all in on demanding historical realism and internal management mechanics now. Victoria 3 is when it jumped the shark and sentiments turned around, with abe lincoln and karl marx in wacky situations and bearded baby characters, as meanwhile they cut warfare and goods stockpiles out of the game.

That's what this game feels like, they designed it years ago before other games tried all the shit it already planned to do and flopped, it got heavily delayed and they didn't have the guts to reverse their design decisions, so Civ7 flopped as well.

>>712552394
They decoupled leaders from civs and forced civ switching and ages to create more demand for civs and leaders. 3 civs per game = players need to buy 3x as many civs. Leader decoupled from civ = players want to buy various leaders (and fucking cosmetics for them). It also means they can be sold separately to double-dip or pad out a season pass. It's purely a greed move, it never had any intended benefit for players.

>>712553134
I played the hell out of 5, and still do a vox populi reinstall and get sucked back in regularly. Civ 4 with all the various scenarios like fall from heaven, 3 less so but I revisit it every now and then. Still revisit SMAC for the hard sci fi kino. I think I played 6 twice and never touched it again, 7 I just laughed.

>>712552961
It is, but I don't understand why. The UI is horrible, looks like it's made for a mobile game. Takes up like 50% of the screen. Literally unplayable.

>>712510040
What does peak mean in your language?

Remember Chud "woke" didn't affect this game in any way in fact it was the only silver lining.

>>712527847
Isnt the game single player? Who gives a fuck if you use a cheat mod?

>>712550305
Again Tubman was made a propoganda tool of the underground railroad and she did fuck all. William Still was the man who guided her to freedom and kept the underground railroad alive in that region. The south didnt even know Tubman existed , despite modern claims they had a $40,000 dead or alive bounty on her head. The only record of her was the widow who inherited the plantation that Tubman was from reported she was missing.

Tubman is famous for returning to the south after her escape, but she never went south of Maryland and even then it was only to locate her immediate friends and family. All of her underground railroad activity was pre-civil war when travel was unrestricted and safer.

When they talk about her 13 journeys to free a total of 70 slaves, those were all transporting recently freed people from the northern states into Canada, and again this was exclusive her family members, she gave no fucks about other black slaves. There were still slave catchers legally operating in the northern states at the time, but this was by far the safest part of the railroad as it was moving through mostly supportive territory and many free blacks already lived in the cities she passed through.

The whole "black moses" thing was invented by journalists during the civil war. It was all made up and embellished as they needed heros in their fight for abololition.

>>712553498
Civ 7's problem, to use an example from HoI4, is that instead of giving you the option of poorly disguised Hitler taking over Argentina they opted to have poorly disguised Hitler be THE leader of Argentina.

>>712555124
Hes a boomer. So outdated a shit graphics are "sovlful" because he implies it looks that way because of artistic style and not due to hardware limitations.

>>712545174
I think RPG Maker VX had a method for making these 3D first person rpgs.

>>712555480
as shit*
fuck

>>712515762
The only way I could see it is if you had an ungodly number of civs to basically represent any permutation of a civ you wanted. But even then it is a shame you kinda miss out on the fantasy of making ancient Egypt dominate the information age or something.

>>712555461
While at the same time having Oskar Schindler be the actual leader of Germany. And in 1940 the country is forced to switch to either the Soviet Union, Switzerland, or Rwanda (only if you achieve the genocide age objectives) but the leader remains the same.

>>712555986
>complete the holocaust
>turn into black israelite next age
kek

>>712542861
Perfect example of why the capitalistic need for "Continued growth everywhere forever if you want to be considered successful." is nothing but objectively a detriment to anything it gets mixed up.

We can't just be happy with 5million sales every time. It MUST go up or we're FAILING.
Fucking retarded.

>>712555986
>finish middle ages as the Byzantine Empire
>now have to switch to either Turkey or Yugoslavia
>Achievement Unlocked: Historical Debts
>also your leader is Belisarius's wife

>>712556331
>>712556331
>now have to switch to either Turkey or Yugoslavia
Too much sense

>>712506737 (OP)
the game design, the mechanics, the graphical assets, the UI, the programming, the leader/Civ choices, the pricing and business model, and the marketing.

everything else is fine.

>>712506737 (OP)
>let's copy humankind and double down on all of its worst aspects instead of avoiding/fixing them
that's what happened

>>712513868
I mean Civ 6 has like 8 times as many reveiws and Civ 5 4 times as many and both of those are skub as fuck, but the reviews are still mostly positive in both cases. Civ 7 is dead on arrival and unlikely to ever change.

the game commits a cardinal sin of 4x in that it destroys the players empire both thematically and gameplay wise twice. if you want the player to struggle, make the enemy AI better. nuking the player's civ is contrary to the fundamental idea of 4x

>>712563250
If they're gonna look at other people's homework, they should have copied the crisis system of Stellaris. If you lose, your empire gets chewed up. If you win, you jump ahead of everyone else in power because of all the crisis exclusive resources and technology you salvaged.

>endless legends teases releases
>civ 6 copies the discrict system and is a massive success
>humankind teases new system
>civ 7 copies it
>humankind flops
>civ 7 is too far in the dev cycle to scratch the core system

Jokes on them

>>712542669
>You forgot that leaders that have been in every civ since the first game like Gandhi are NOT in, breaking a long tradition.
gandhi fucking sucks and has only been kept in every game due to le funny reddit nuke meme (which was perhaps a funny joke in civ 2 but never since)

>>712551067
actually it would because IGN gave it a 7/10, not a 9 or 10

>>712506737 (OP)
>What if we made civ 6 but undid a decade of content we added to make it an insanely deep game
>And what if we ripped off some features from Humankind, a game that didn't do that great to begin with
>And then what if we somehow rushed the release of a game that nobody was asking us to rush because the previous titles were still popular, and released in a buggy and broken state with a bunch of shit missing like basic multiplayer features and no maps larger than medium size

Honestly what the fuck went right? It feels like this was an absolute D-team tier project like the fucks at Firaxis have something else to work on

>>712554605
let me guess, you're the same autist who don't understand why people play civ games past civ 3

>>712568252
You sound like the kind of anon that doesnt understand why people play civ games before 4.

>>712513483
god what a complete mess visually
6 had a bit of this problem but it was still generally pretty easy to tell what you were looking at unless it was a city completely full of wonders and shit

Linear history is gay. A 4x game designed around cyclical civioizations would be kino.

>>712569095
>Cyclical Civilizations
Well thats kind of exactly what Civ7 is. Except the devs but absolutely zero effort into the "decline of civlizations" part and they just said "lol crisis, have some debuffs, now everyone died, now you are no longer egypt the normans are born"
Its shit

>>712568343
I have only played civ 4, 5, and 6

>>712507215
You forgot the price. They could've got away with the rest if they'd priced it at $30/40 and recouped their losses through the shit tonne of dlc they're obviously planning on making. More people would've given it a chance at that price point. But nobody's paying $70 for a game they know is incomplete and has a bunch of new features people are wary about.

>>712569608
Honestly 1-3 still hold up, just need to learn the respective UIs.

>>712569743
>Programmer
>Not Indian

>>712569929
no lead programmer has ever been pajeet, theyre kept in the cubicle farms.

>>712569743
>hooked nose
holy based

>>712562026
Civ 6 gas also been out for a long time
>>712563250
>Make the AI better
What a waste of time that would be.

>>712569743
Wonder how this guy feels about the Legacy of Kain games, or metal gear.

>>712569972
I wonder if they'll disappear
> cheap
> can produce basic code quickly enough
> cannot be trusted for anything: someone competent needs to review every line of code they commit
AI already does the same thing

>>712570439
you're going to need 3x more developer hours to fix what you cheaped out on either way.

>>712570559
Depends, it's great for small scripts that are not really connected with the main codebase

>>712529515
You neglect to acknowledge that the people working there have all been replaced by women.

>>712529515
Have you read any of the civ dev blogs from the past decade? Lmao

>>712555404
Not even certain that she was "famous" during the civil war. I hear it was all mostly made up by one jew in the 70s

>>712570227
Ok? There's also a billion more people with computers right now than 10 years ago

civ was never good in the first place. micromanaging tiles only appeals to OCD freaks, which coincidentally they are, which is why they love niggers

there is literally zero strategy. just an optimal path to follow and max out development as much as possible.

never met anyone not onions that enjoyed these garbage pile games.

>>712507215
>civ switching
This will forever be baffling
>There are players who chose the civs by their bonuses/playstyle
>There are players who chose the civs by flavor
>Lets fuck both of them at the same time
How can you think yourself into that corner?

>>712507215
Sounds like they tried to do new, questionable things, instead of improving on an already winning formula. All they really had to do was expand upon and make the AI less brain dead.

>>712571527
> There are players who chose the civs by their bonuses/playstyle
These guys didn't get fucked though, you can pick whichever playstyle you want for the era

>>712571860
I literally play Egypt for for bonus trade bucks.

the eras thing is honestly dumber than the civ switching shit

>>712572182
>the eras thing is honestly dumber than the civ switching shit
lul wut

>>712572298
the game essentially resets upon going to a new era
it's the most retarded thing I've ever seen

>>712572409
I thought you meant eras in previous titles, my bad.

>>712572409
its not like civ has a coherent abstraction of a civ anyway. people are just unconditionally loyal, there's no civil war, people happily exist to serve your policies? if you shove a bunch of money and people into universities technology advances? none of it makes sense anyway. what made you think the game designers were intelligent?

>>712571860
So they still get fucked, because the playstyle they like for a Civ ends up lasting for 1/3rd of the time it would have lasted in 6 as the era ends and they have to pick a new civ for a new playstyle.

You cant even do similar playstyles from era to era, because leading in culture in Antiquity is building wonders, but leading in culture in Exploration is spamming religious units with that shitty little system they threw together. So you're basically forced to pivot into a new gameplay style every era anyyway

6 was bloated with a lot of deep as a puddle garbage, but at least it did some stuff that I liked like getting rid of trash global happiness and making wonders occupy tiles. Also adding a religious win condition which should have been a thing in the V dlc

7 is utterly irredeemable

>>712568252
>let me guess,
you guessed wrong, faggot

WHAT CIV has good combat and not "oh no no you cant even keep 2 units on the same tile so its maximum tedium"

>>712507215
Its like they tried to make it bad on purpose. What is Really going on here?

>>712507215
>Dei rando leader.
Could just said that and it would've made a stronger point.

>>712574201
5 introduced the quoted but the combat wasnt really that good before anyways

>>712574201
i wouldn't say any of them have good combat

>>712575739
so its the same in expansions and 6 and 7?

>>712575859
6 has pseudo unit stacking
you can stack up to 3

>>712575859
everything after 5 is 1 unit allowed yeah

>>712574201
yeah stacks of death are a garbage combat black hole. 5 is fine.

>>712576229
it really bothers me that the solution to this in iv is to just suicide all of your catapults

>>712575929
it's just merging three of the same unit into one unit with extra strength, and it's only available late game.

>>712555404
>>712571348
I can believe it, but I need sources or no one will believe me.

>>712551480
>m-muh m-multiplayer
fuck you, multiplayer mods should also be legal. you don't tell people what they can and can't do you piece of shit. this is exactly why community servers are sorely missed

>>712506737 (OP)
They were unwilling to make an actual civ game. Their agenda lay elsewhere.

>>712576827
yeah hence why it's barely even worth mentioning

>>712510040
4 is better but the series ended with the turd that was 5.

>>712507317
>What were they thinking?
Well I think Firaxis wanted to 'fix' the 'problem' of plenty players preferring or mainly just playing the early and mid games and not seeing the campaign through to a win condition. So they wanted to break the game up into multiple different early games to keep player's attention. This was a bad idea.

I think they saw Humankind and got worried/inspired. Perhaps some at Firaxis felt insecure about the classic Civ staple of guiding a civilization through decidedly anachronistic eras throughout the game, and thought the new eras system would be a means to 'rectify' what they saw as an issue.

Finally there was likely also pressure from on high, 2K wanted more DLC money. And given that with the leader/civ split civs were now easier and cheaper to make, more money could possibly be made through DLCs.

>>712507532
Yeah that would have made sense. If the gimmick was non-heads of government/state were to become leaders, why not pick the most famous American who was never a president.

MLK Jr. would have been a great pick

>>712507770
They should pull a Stellaris and just completely re-do the game and call it Civ 7v2.
Remove the eras system and the civ switching outright

>>712578021
they added ben franklin tho

>>712577929
>So they wanted to break the game up into multiple different early games to keep player's attention. This was a bad idea.

that was definitely a big part of it. During one of the prerelease streams they implied that they wanted only playing 1 era as a full game to become a thing, pretty delusional stuff on their part. Players often not completing games was always more bc late game civ becomes extremely tedious, not because the games were long

the civ switching crap 100% came from some retard exec browsing /v/ and seeing the shitposting "Humankind is the... LE CIV KILLER" threads and thinking they were serious

>>712508194
It might have been a case of 'toxic positivity' where despite all of these ideas being utter dogshit, it was better for each individual employee to eat it up and remain stoutly optimistic and kiss ass, rather than to tell the truth and risk demotion or corporate shunning.

>>712506737 (OP)
women

>>712578174
he's old and not cool

>>712508194
>What goes through the mindset of the boardroom where someone approved these mechanics?
Genuinely I think they were worried that they were making a new base game that has a near-identical gameplay loop as the last game, but lacking that game's years of DLC extra features. Basically they panicked.

>>712507215
>ivs like England are DLC or cut
unforgivable in a game such as this

>>712578371
He is cool

>go full we need to include heckin brown people mode
>don't include Shaka bc people actually like him

they knew exactly what they were doing

>>712514569
For me it's
>1800 hrs in Civ 5 (one of my all time favorite games)
>25 hrs in Civ 6 (dropped it very quickly since I hated the artstyle and didn't care for the new mechanics.
>Never bought 7

>>712508194
People really give developers too much credit always assuming every retarded decision is mandated by the board and/or shareholders.

>>712506737 (OP)
>Civ III
>1.6k active players
>Civ IV
>1.8K active players
>Civ V
>16k active players
>Civ VI
>25k active players
>Civ VII
>7k active players

Honestly, I'm impressed in gamers not being stupid and only focusing on the shiny new thing.

>>712523727
Look at 5 and 6, visually. And listen to their OSTs, (or just Civ 5's additional licensed soundtrack) and then decide which you like the most.
Gameplay-wise their equal.

Eventually if you decide you prefer having fewer cities or more cities that will influence which you prefer. (Civ 5 is more geared towards smaller empires and Civ 6 is the other way around)
But until then aesthetics is the main difference for a totally new player.

>>712579064
7 is straight up no fun
i have many gripes about 5 and 6 but you can have fun in both of them

>>712578729
Civ has an issue where every memorable historic 3rd world leader adapted directly to the game is just 'combat bonuses at prehistoric tech level to industrial tech units and gain bonuses to raiding farms', so they do have to dig a little deeper to get a diversity of leader types so that they can actually have tech/science/diplomacy/economic leaders in every region.

>>712579064
it doesnt feel like a shiny new thing because its following a trend

>>712579549
with the stupid civ switching stuff that shouldn't matter

>>712506737 (OP)
that logo looks AI generated if you look closely at the high res version of it
how is it possible to be that fucking lazy that you can't even create a simple logo for a game

>>712552728
>>712553189
QRD? I ignored all marketing for this game after it became apparent it was garbage.

>>712580568
it matters even more actually, relevant modern civs got shafted in VII in favor of Bugandan spear chuckers. Every age is required to have brown pity picks.

>>712581141
the map gen in 7 creates complete cancer
ie. continents creates something that looks like >>712552728

there's a compilation image of how bad it is somewhere, I'm sure another anon can post it

>>712579064
I'm disgusted by the fact Civ 7 has that many players.

>>712581369
my favorite one is if you pick archipelago it basically generates what should be continents in any other game

>>712581141
the game generates blocky land masses with long straight edges

>>712550305
>she's famous for her work with the underground railroad
What fucking work? She didn't build it, she didn't maintain it, she used it to rescue less than a hundred slaves over the course of a fucking decade. There are abolitionists who freed more in a fucking day than she did over the entire war.

>>712507317
They copied Endless Legend for 6 and people liked it so they decided to copy Humankind for 7 and missed the part where Humankind was an intentional shitpost by Amplitude to fuck over Sega before they went independent again to make EL2
Firaxis has literally zero old talent left, they can't even code the menus let alone the game and every design choice is predicated by monetization rather than fun

Does Civ7 do anything right?

>>712581848
hopefully it has failed correctly at least

>>712581848
navigable rivers bro
cough up the $70

>>712515879
I went from Civ 3 into Civ 4 into Civ 5, and I played some of Civ 2. I preferred Civ 5 from the get-go.

>>712508194
Dave Barry was correct, mahogany is a mental retardant. As businesses become larger they buy bigger and bigger mahogany conference tables and become dumber and dumber until the company consists of 50 VPs shitting themselves and drooling around a giant mahogany conference table while scammers posing as employees collect a paycheck to sit around drinking coworkers breastmilk and playing solitaire.

>>712581848
not really
they didn't even do a return to less cringe artstyle correctly because the UI looks like placeholders and the actual character models still look cartoony

Kino.. what is everyone's favorite themes? Persia is my favorite one
https://youtu.be/IJiHDmyhE1A?si=yzjJDZW1c1fxS97e
https://youtu.be/5HZQvYj7zNI?si=XhprZE-qLtKZyzbb

>>712582195
could it be anything but baba yetu? thats in my non-game regular rotation playlist

>>712507330
To me it is not only a retarded game design choice but it also comes across as a cynical social commentary about immigration and culture changing as a way to convince white people specifically to just accept being replaced demographically. With all the other DEI shit ham-fisted into the game I think my feeling about it is plausible and not just a feeling.

>>712582195
alexander peace version of epitaph of seikilos in 5
I normally don't like that song but that version is based

>>712582268
Yeah, anything
>>712582478
That's a great choice

>>712506737 (OP)
>they saw humankind whole civ switching was universally hated
>decided to copy that system
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

>>712550305
>she's famous for her work with the underground railroad.
The "underground railroad" was nothing more than a network of people who helped escaped slaves get to sanctuary states, or to Canada. As such there is almost no physical evidence of its existence, beyond attestations of individual people.

Also, Tubman's deeds are dubious at best because virtually all scholarship related to her began after the year 2000. Read her wikipedia article and look at the citations. It's the same handful of biographies all written after 2003 or so, cited again and again, for the most part. Her actions in assisting the Union Army are well documented and have credible sources. Her other activities, not so much.

>>712550305
>>712583120
underground railroad is kind of a meme
people have ridiculous preconceptions of what it was just because of how it's taught in US schools. It was just a people smuggling network

>>712552491
anno is fine

>>712582632
that was rhetorical, it could not be anything but baba yetu. that does remind me i installed the Unciv knockoff game and downloaded some sound pack mods and got......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D2jyuJaSAU
stuck in my head constantly

>>712583120
>As such there is almost no physical evidence of its existence, beyond attestations of individual people.

kek that reminds me that there is an """underground railroad house""" in my city that serves as a museum, but if you do a simple search of records you can see that it was built in like 1910, it's also obvious just from looking at it bc it's not even the correct style

whoever built that thing created a more than 100+ year old scam that schools still send field trips to lmao

>>712574712
their logic was people not finishing games so they decided to make it into 3 mini games which is incredibly fucking retarded

I wonder what features they will steal from Endless Legend 2 or Millenium for their next civ

>>712513396
Somebody else needs to pick up the crown in the gutter. 4X has to be the cheapest genre to make a game in these days.

>>712584453
you don't have to worry about that for 10 years because firaxis's dev cycles have gotten completely out of control
they are the bethesda of 4x games

>>712584571
there must already be a really low return though or it would be more saturated.

>>712508223
I agree, but keep in mind that failures like this are part of the process by which resources get allocated away from those who make bad decisions and towards those who make good ones. Part of the problem over the past decade or so was that interest rates were too low (i.e. "free money").

>>712507215
England isn't in? Really? How the fuck?

>>712584694
it'll be a DLC
and it will be some complete literal who even tho england has an endless list of recognizable names to choose from

>>712584694
theyre dlc i think

>Civ 6 also getting review bombed bc apparently 2k did a EULA update that lets them install rootkit anticheat without telling you

firaxis is going bankrupt aren't they

>>712513013
A year from now, when the expansion is released, you can look forward to an army of shills telling you that "it's fixed now" and that all complaints are coming from chuds upset with DEI.

>what the FUCK went so wrong?
Are you retarded
Elevating some retard tribal elder from you know where to the same level as Bonaparte, Washington, Bismarck etc

>>712516146
And every bizzare choice screams insane leftist anthropology fuckheads.

>>712506737 (OP)
Everything. Maybe except combat. and Cat

>>712524508
The political message of breaking up the cult of the nation empires was far more important than anything else.

>>712514143
The fact that /v/ can instantly brainstorm better ideas than what's in the game should tell you something about the company that released it in this state.

>>712530161
Dont put up with that shit. Also, you should show a little patriotisim,.

>>712530694

>>712514143
would work a lot better but it would also eliminate thirdie civs and ones that don't exist anymore. Also just for the burgerland example you gave, the civil rights era is such a tiny time period
there would need to be some kind of middle ground

>>712585187
Most people on /v/ aren't part of the black/disabled/gay/female focus groups so our opinions don't get solicited by publishers.

>>712508357
'N

>>712584841
It'll be:
Mary Secombe (historically not significant at all, but she was a nurse in Crimea. Like Florence Nightingale, but Nightingale is famous for reforming the provision of medical care to soldiers. Mary Secombe was elevated to importance by the 'educational establishment' because she was 1/8th black, so of course she's portrayed as 100% black-as-de-hat nigress).

>>712566275
Warlord Ghandi is a classic.

>>712586118
apparently it's ada lovelace which is basically just as stupid. Literally 0 historical impact
I thought people were just shitposting when they said it was her

>>712586424
>Though Babbage's Analytical Engine was never constructed and exercised no influence on the later invention of electronic computers, it has been recognised in retrospect as a [insert wikipedia tranny coping]

actually orders of magnitude dumber than Harriett Tubman being included jesus christ

>>712566275
Gandhi is the fan favorite, whether you like him or not. Acknowledge the kikery, he was excluded for the sole purpose of selling DLC later down the line

>>712583725
Alright, that's COOL

>>712581141

>talk to a leader in 5
>neat background unique to them
>talk on a leader in 6
>black screen
>talk to a leader in 7
>just an overlay

how it it possible to take such gigantic steps backwards like that like what the fuck
i saw people trying to excuse it in 6 by saying "muh budget" but how much does it cost to make a static background with some basic talking animations

>>712587103
looks like something from 1991

>>712587103
its there not even a Pangaea option in 7?
if there is I imagine it's just a giant square with a giant lines of desert and plains in the middle

>>712566598
is there anime 4x or a civ mod?

>>712587273
Old devs rotate out of the industry or join small startups, greedy AAA studios replace them with pajeets and AI instead of offering more money to attract the same level of talent.

what is civ switching

>>712588239
the player is removed from control of his civilization

>>712588239
it's when you switch civ

>>712506737 (OP)
>1UPT
>Hex tiles
>ICS gone
The problems started several CiV's ago

>>712542669
Gandhi, Genghis Khan, Shaka Zulu, Montezuma, and Alexander the Great were in every single civ game from 1 to 6. 7 is the first game they're absent from.

>>712588678
i prefer 1upt, am ambivalent on hex geometry (but works better for 1upt), and i really really do miss ICS

>>712588239
Twice per game all of your buildings and armies explode (intended) every city state gets nuked and barb camps spawn 4 tiles from all of your cities with tanks (intended) and also the game crashes (unintended). Also in flavor text you stop being rome and turn into ethiopeia.

>>712523727
Adding to what others have said, many people swear by 4 as it's the most polished of the "original" games. 5 fundimentally changed a lot of things so if it doesn't click give 4 a shot. I liked 3 and 5 and hated 6.

>>712507215
Don't forget
>No builders/workers/slaves
>No barbarians
>No Pangaea map type
>No religious victory
>No post-1960 anything
>Game ends in a science victory after you launch a satellite
>Terrible UI
>Leaders look worse than in Civ VI though still better than Civ V
>Harriet Tubgirl
>Only good song in the game is Mexico's theme

>>712589234
it doesn't have workers? what the FUCK

>>712589234
>>712507215
Oh, and I can't forget:
>Largest map type at launch was Standard since there were only 10 civs per era
>Large and Huge map types are being added just now
>Because of the 3 eras system, they had the "most" civs of any game at launch and yet couldn't support >10 players per game

>>712587581
A core mechanic of the game is Distant Lands, a continent on the other side of the world populated by mandatory AI civs that is inaccessable until ocean navigation in the exploration era. The end result of this is that 3/4 of the map size is taken by the ocean barrier and the second landmass, so every player spawns on a tiny cluster of the map. This concept ends up fucking over many of the most basic functions of Civ as a game, like how every single map style is 2 continents + island chain, and how the max multiplayer limit is fucking 5 because the engine cant handle maps large enough to fit more people in the 20% region of the map that is suitable for player spawn points.

>>712542861
That's completely backwards, though. You NEED to keep your core customer base happy since the fairweather fans aren't typically repeat customers. If you keep a solid core customer base, it'll grow slowly and steadily as they get friends, family members, and viewers (if they are "influencers") into the series.

It almost never works out well to completely change your franchise and push away your core fans. The only franchise I can remember doing that successfully in the past 15 years is Zelda.

>>712589632
lmao that's retarded.

>>712589632
>A core mechanic of the game is Distant Lands, a continent on the other side of the world populated by mandatory AI civs that is inaccessable until ocean navigation in the exploration era. The end result of this is that 3/4 of the map size is taken by the ocean barrier and the second landmass, so every player spawns on a tiny cluster of the map.

is firaxis entirely staffed by people that never played civ before then? Even on pangaea maps it was a giant pain in the ass to explore the whole map early. Scouts would either die or get trapped in borders

>>712587581
no, because the "new world" mechanic necessitates at least 2 continents.

>>712529178
Older civs had history scenario maps in them, not sure when the last time they did was though

>>712589818
probably all outsourced

>>712514143
Great idea, anon!

>>712514569
>500 hours in Civ III
>2,000 hours in Civ IV
>2,500 hours in Civ V
>7,700 hours in Civ VI
>0.00 hours in Civ VII

>play civ 6 a bit
>it's okay but by the time you have a shitton of districts and wonders you can no longer tell what you're looking at on the map unless you put tacks down
>watch a bit of 7
>it's that but on steroids and orders of magnitude stupider, and the game hard resets twice per game

what

>>712582195
Civ VI's music is great. Waltzing Matilda, Kalinka, Scotland the Brave, Brejeiro, Hard Times Come Again No More... kino...

>>712589234
i hate religious victory

>>712590527
waltzing matilda alone infuriates me. i want that shit scorched off the face of the planet.

>>712590140
>7,700 hours in Civ VI
You'd think someone with taste this shit would welcome the garbage fire that is Civ 7.

>>712590641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNoy6AJ3-HY

I love it

>>712589818
The creative process was outsourced to indians who work for 6$ an hour, but I am assured that all of their resumes said that they had 30 years dev experience with the series and four of them even claimed to be sid meyer. With that much experience for that low a price, you cant go wrong.

>>712590667
I have superbly refined tastes which is why I prefer Civ VI.

>>712506737 (OP)
Civ 6 was the perfect game with absolute shit AI. I have no idea how any studio could of pulled off 7. The AI problem is currently unsolvable and anything else would of felt like a downgrade.

>>712590667
>>712590786
Launch was garbage but it was amazing by the end. Things change, you should try it. Changing, and the game.

>>712590828
part of the problem with the AI in 6 is that it has so many nothing systems in it so the AI simply can't decide what it wants to do bc it tries to dip into everything
even makes deity a joke

>>712584692
>failures like this are part of the process by which resources get allocated away from those who make bad decisions and towards those who make good ones

>Game bombs
>Studio gets closed
>All of the low level employees are fired
>All of the employees who were in decision making roles are promoted or moved to a different company
???

>>712590970
The DLC made it genuinely great. Well, Gathering Storm and especially the NFP did. Rise & Fall is very mediocre. All the new civs are dogshit and completely unfun to play as or against, but the new mechanics, wonders, and policies are fun to play with.

>>712506737 (OP)
Funny, I just checked in on this after not playing for a couple months a few minutes ago. What a fucking shame, these cocksuckers really thought they could adulterate the core of this series and get away with it. Fuck them, I pray 2K sees a modicum of sense and fires fucking everyone then rebuilds the studio from the ashes. There's no way they survive otherwise.

>>712591112
Yes, those resources, the employees, are freed up to go work elsewhere. If they're bad, they probably exit the industry.

>>712590786
Civ 6 is the first game since 3 with competant online that doesnt shit itself 10 turns in.

>>712591425
i can't believe it even did that well on launch
the signs were obvious as fuck well before launch, I turned the reveal stream off the moment they showed how bad the UI was with the tech tree

>>712506737 (OP)
>point out that Civ VII player count on steam being abysmal is proof of the game's faliures
>get yelled at how IT'S FINE CHUD IT'S JUST THAT EVERYONE IS ON CONSOLES SHUT UP
>every single midly critical of VII, even "civil" and long-winded ones in the civ reddit is pounded on by the shills
When will this game ceases development, I want to rub that in the shill's faces. I just can't wait.

>>712591040
Exactly, so to fix it you have to limit choices and complexity. Between that and rushing is how we got the failure that is civ 7.
To be fair though they partially hit there objective. I did find the combat much better in 7, it's just everything else thats worse.

>>712591958
while it can still feel good it wont matter because shills have no shame. actually theyll probably be shilling a new thing and completely forget about civ

>>712591425
Supposedly they lost a ton on some marvel game, throw this in and they are legitimately in trouble.

>>712507215
They made civ aimed for 3rd worlders who haven't touched the franchise, its financial suicide.

>>712591958
There's a dude on Steam that to this day still copes by saying most of the players are on console lol. You just can't fix stupid, some people will defend literally anything

>>712592293
why the fuck would 3rd worlders care about hariett tubman?

>>712592371
america has an internal 3rd world

>>712592261
Midnight Suns and yes, it was a massive bomb. Civ VII doubtlessly sold okay on launch, btu its anemic player count signals absolutely no one will bother buying the years of DLC they thought they had lined up for it, so now they're fucked. Here's hoping they start from the drawing board because VII as a platform is just too much to get going imo

>>712592418
they don't care about harriett tubman either bc she's largely a complete fabrication just like rosa parks
if they wanted that market they should have just gone with Malcolm X

>>712592229
>>712592362
Maybe it's the same guy.

>>712592594
at least rosa parks was a public figure in her own time even if the hype was manufactured.

>>712592362
ah yes, I'm sure the 4x game has a giant hidden console playerbase

>>712592645
she was just a memorable name so the naacp made it stick
she didn't do anything unique

>>712587103
what the fuck

>>712593275
she actively did publicity stunt stuff for the media, she wasn't a nobody just a plant.

>>712569743
>Forspoken

>>712593502
basically what I meant
plenty of people in montgomery alone did exactly what she did before her, but she had the benefit of having a paparazzi crew following her most of the time

>>712591958
I wouldn't put it past consolefags to have taste so shit they'd play Civ VII.

will this game even manage to get a proper expansion like 5 and 6 did
the problem with those was they were just barebones is fuck (intentionally so, so they could sell expansions). This one is just bad to the core, adding features/mechanics will not fix it

There are too many decent strategy games already to bother with mediocracy. People literally put thousands of hours into strategy games they like, why bother buying it just because it's new?

>>712590140

>>712510182
You can’t be a game journo forever - pay is shit, for example. The next logical step in their career is to land a consulting job in the industry.

Notice the salt surrounding the ‘solo dev’ discourse from the usual suspects.

>>712592371
thats the thing, blackrock and 2k games insist they should make games aimed at them.

>>712546224
Everything is worth it for the ‘your western culture actually doesn’t exist and niggers are the master race’ message.

>>712550981
THAT would have been realist - and fun ! But it wasn’t the point of the game.

>>712551480
Remember the nagging church ladies of 35+ years ago ?
They haven’t disappeared - nowadays they just girlbosses Very Important Stuff in big corpos.

>>712506737 (OP)
you know this happens with every iteration, right

>>712596270
the previous iterations release blatantly incomplete
this one released blatantly godawful and shit

>>712596270
The shills are coping that people's only problems are the bugs and the UI, that the mean boomers are just refusing to move on like every other previous title.
This game is being rejected by the casuals and the veterans, and the problems are in the bones with the god-awful civ-switching. It's not going to patched away in a DLC.

>>712595089
They typically try to level up into "real" journalists for rags like the New York Times or WaPo.

>>712596889
Doing real journalism work is much harder than consulting, though.

>>712597179
real "journalists" just consult directly with the government/NGOs now

>if we streamline it sloppily and aggressively maybe we can rush it out more quickly
that's my guess
call me stupid but I think they should release a new civilization title every 10 years or so. People played Civ 4 for a long time.

>>712597179
Those "real journalists" don't do real journalism, though. They browse Twitter and whine about rightwingers. There are very few actual journalists these days. The big papers are all just state stenographers instead of investigative journalists.

I blame that faggot Clark Kent. Dumb Journo cunts.

>>712597261
Or let AI write their articles. Or just write shitty clickbait with no fact checking. Or just follow an outline given to them by whoever the bidder is that day and try to hit their minimum wordcount.

>>712597383
Why did they make her so dummy thicc bros? I've never fapped to a Civ leader in my life until she showed up.

>>712507330
>>712582349
agreed, it's "there is no such thing as civilization bro" in a game about civilizations

the only non-DEI game is Civilization 5 (Brave New World) & Civilization Beyond Earth: Rising Tide... and maybe Civilization 2 but I played that too long ago
every other game have ham-fisted DEI shoved in it, even the logical ones (e.g. pollution) getting shoved in your face to make a point
go Civ 5, go pure

>>712506737 (OP)
niggers

>>712591519
SYNC LOST SYNC LOST SYNC LOST

>>712506737 (OP)
Released an early access game pretending it's complete

>>712597542
>Civ V
>Not DEI
While not as bad as VI and especially not as bad as VII, V still has an inordinate amount of female leaders. Half of the European civs are led by females (England, Spain, Portugal, Austria, Celts, Byzantines, Russians)

>>712507317
Civ switching might have made for a good side mode (Get 3 random civs to choose from for each age) but basing the entire game around it was retarded

>>712597987
name a decent historical male leader of any of those nations (except byzantium)

>>712597987
england? led by elizabeth? wow they went... LE WOKE

>>712597987
Catherine had a nice rack though so it was all good

>>712506737 (OP)
Stopped playing after the third one, it just started to look childish and for casuals. And I played Civ 1-2-3 all my childhood. i remember I switched to Europa Universalis and never looked back.

>>712587103
Ain't no way

>>712597987
female leaders are not a sign of DEI unless they were forcefully inserted
Catherine the Great and Elizabeth and Isabella are arguably best choices

>>712507295
Why don't they just do what Dominions does and have it so the program, you know, supports mods and tells you which game has which mods? A fucking million dollar company apparently can't think of these basic things though.

>>712597987
how tf is catherine, elizabeth, isabella, or even maria theresa woke? They are all incredibly well known leaders

>>712598525
Unironically the ages shit would've worked better if they just copied Dominions instead of Humankind.

>>712598187
England
>Alfred the Great
>Edward Longshanks
>Henry V
>Henry VIII
>Oliver "Fuck the king and especially FUCK THE IRISH" Cromwell
>William III

Spain
>Phillip II
>The Ferdinand half of the Catholic Monarchs
>Charles III

Portugal
>Afonso the Great
>Denis the Farmer-King

Austria
>Maximilian I
>Charles V
>Francis II
>Franz Joseph

Celts
>Vercingetorix
>Brennus

Byzantines
>Justinian
>Alexios Komnenos
>Constantine the Great
>Basil I
>Basil II The Bulgar Slayer
>Nikephoros II "The Pale Death of the Saracens" Phokas
>Heraclius

Russians
>Peter the Great
>Ivan the Terrible
>Vladimir Lenin
>Joseph Stalin
>Tsar Alexander I
>Vladimir Putin

>>712598383
What makes them "forcefully inserted" as opposed to just regular additions?

>>712597987
isabella is the best tho

I think a better alternative to civ switching would have been to give each nation a deck of ability cards that either give bonuses or unique units/buildings throughout different eras of the game and let the player pick like 3 that they want to use before a game starts. You could even have a mechanic were you steal cards from other nations through espionage or war or trade for them.

>>712599071
i think going aelfred would slight the whole aethelwulf .... dynasty? which is such a cool family unit period.
>longshanks/cromwell
reign a bit too civil-war-y for a nation leader
>henry v
outside of apparently being a military badass no personality, even shakespeare couldn't do it well.
>viii
that one would definitely be a fun time

>>712599263
the point was that there were regular additions
>>712599071
>Cromwell
>Lenin, Stalin, Putin
lol
>Charles V
yeah he would have been cool...

why did they put in a battlepass-esque "feature" where you level up leaders to unlock stupid perks and shit
that has to be the weirdest feature they added but it doesn't get talked about much. Idk about other people but with how long games take I don't think I've played a leader more than twice in 5 or 6, 95% of them definitely only once

>>712579001
Thats because they usually are.

>>712599263
The fact that there are half a dozen more fitting and significant choices for many of them
Even catherine is arguably a bad one but Elizabeth I and Isabella II were both very relevant to their nation's recent history. But no motherfucking Elanor of aquitaine or Catherine Medici are more important than motherfucking Napoleon or even several different Loius or Phillipes. Hell, if the point is to have a dual leader for england and france then make it fucking William the Conqueror.
They're forced because they're objectively bad leaders or not even leaders who are put above half a dozen better options simply because they have a vagina. They have no real defining features or traits to their existence that aren't 90% memes and are in no way representative of their nation and its history or culture

>>712599897
force people to play more
force people to finish games instead of making the game fun to finish

>>712599874
>>712599813
Evil/aggressive leaders are a must though. That's one of the reasons Enrico Dandolo was chosen in Civ V, for example. It's also why Genghis Khan and Montezuma show up in every civ game

>>712600068
maria theresa is pretty great too, habsburgs gonna habsburg. she's dlc anyway so meh.

>>712600294
i agree both edward longshanks and cromwell would be absolutely perfect civilization characters but putting them across from non-british (or french) leaders on a global level just seems kinda out of place. anything 20th century or onward isnt historical enough to fit even though enlightenment shit in the ancient period is still goofy.

>>712600068
Elizabeth I wasn't even that good of a leader. She didn't have any major accomplishments directly attributable to her. She mostly just went hands off after her father and sister, who were control freaks, created a mess. The best thing she did was let Francis Drake do his thing.

Also, Isabella was more of a junior partner as one of the dual monarchs. Sure, the Catholic Monarchs were the best leaders Spain ever had not including Franco because leftoids are salty bitches or will ever have, but Ferdinand is a large part of that.

IMO, they should've used Ferdinand AND Isabella instead of one or the other. Just like they should've used Justinian AND Theodora. William III and Mary could be another cool dual-monarch leader.

>>712528765
who?

>>712600594
>directly attributable to her
taking all of the credit is kind of her accomplishment though, she's perfect embodiment of a cultural leader.

>>712600736
potato mcwhiskey or whatever that faggots YT channel is called
as that anon said he hinged his entire channel and career on Civ alone, and now that 7 is objectively SHIT his channel is imploding

>>712600546
I dunno, Longshanks and Cromwell have that je ne sais quoi about them. Edward was huge for his time, being 6'2" in an era where the average height was a foot shorter. He really emphasizes that "high Medieval era king" attribute that most civ games are somehow lacking. Cromwell was also an imposing figure historically.

>anything 20th century or onward isnt historical enough
There've been several 20th century leaders in Civ. Most notably Gandhi, but Stalin and Mao have also featured in several games. Churchill and Wilhelmina also show up and they're directly tied to WWII.

>>712543297
both games were designed by sweetbaby or whatever other USG consultant they got foisted on them

not that nufiraxis needed much encouragement to make pozzed garbage

>>712600821
elizabeth is fine for this reason alone

>>712600594
Definitely not saying they're the best picks but they're still viable choices. They have some woman favoritism but you can still say they're indicative of an era of culture. Nobody gives a single shit about Elanor of Aquitaine against Napoleon or fucking Kristina the traitor against Charles or Gustav.

>>712600939
They'd be perfect talking head types, I know they'd be amazing at that part.
>20th century in civ
were always a mistake. ghandi is a happy accident though.

>>712528116
>the graunaird
>literally who
lel

>>712600939
Cromwell in his full plate armor going full Lord Protector would be awesome. The Puritans never get any reference in Civ games even though they're a super interesting and underrated part of English, American, Dutch, and World history.

>>712601127
>the graunaird

>>712514380
you need yields on in 6 simply so you can tell a jungle hill from jungle flatlands

What did the DLC's fix in Civ VI? I bounced off it pretty hard at launch, the district system just wasn't clicking with me. Is it worth giving another shot?

>>712601184
you actually don't know why it's written like that, do you? lmao, zoomers

>>712601203
I play VI with yields off. I also play with the Dense Vegetation mod so the jungles are extra lush and dense.

>>712601256
if you don't like districts you still won't like it with the DLCs

>>712601339
you must really enjoy trial-and-error pathing

>>712600939
>Edward was huge for his time, being 6'2" in an era where the average height was a foot shorter
Didn't he also fight on the frontlines on foot, shining in gold, with an axe? I miss when rulers had to risk their own necks to be worthy of their rule.

>>712601320
It's the Grauniad, not Grauniard.

>>712601256
you'll probably need mods too. fuck off with the missionary spam jesus christ

>>712601339
sounds like cancer
i don't care that much about tile yields but it's important too see that shit in the early game so you don't completely gimp yourself

>>712601384
It's not that hard to tell apart without mods. With mods you can just hover over the tile to figure out if it's a hill tile or not.

>>712601392
Fun fact, exactly 1 American president actually led troops into battle while president, and that was the shortest one, James Madison, who was only 5'4".

>>712601543
Teddy lead a cavalry charge at some point, maybe not while president but he was still up there.

>>712600294
Enrico Dandolo did nothing wrong

>>712601602
the Rough Riders were volunteers anyhow, just a lunatic civilian and his posse invading cuba.

>>712601480
I've got a ton of hours in Civ VI so it's like second nature to me. Hills don't matter that much in Civ VI unless you're playing as a select few civs that buff mines (Canada, Korea, Gauls). They're mostly just nice for the lump production, but you're looking to maximize adjacency and not build mines on every available space.

>>712601684
invading cuba on horseback*

>>712601543
it's called commander in chief for a reason, bc you sit in an office like a lazy cunt like a stereotypical admiral from star trek

>>712600923
kek, deserved. Be a shill of failed product and its over.

>>712601602
There've been plenty of presidents who got close to danger in war, but that was before they became presidents. Off the top of my head

>George Washington nearly died in the French and Indian War
>James Monroe fought alongside Washington when he crossed the Delaware and can even be seen in one of the boats on the famous painting)
>Andrew Jackson fought in several wars and famously defeated the British with a ragtag band of hillbillies, pirates, and Indians
>William Henry Harrison defeated Tecumseh who was the Indian leader who posed the greatest threat to white people in the last 500 years
>Abraham Lincoln fought against Injuns on the frontlines
>Ulysses S. Grant saw combat in the Mexican-American war and had to do sick horseriding tricks to not get shot by Mexicans. Oh, and he led armies during the ACW
>Rutherford B. Hayes, James Garfield, Chester A. Arthur, Benjamin Harrison, and William McKinley all fought in the American Civil War
>Teddy Roosevelt charged up San Juan Hill with the Rough Riders
>Harry Truman memorized the eye chart so he could pass the eye exam to fight in WWI
>George HW Bush got shot down by the Japanese in WWII and narrowly avoided being captured by cannibalistic Japs (his crew were all captured and eaten alive)

>>712601945
if he had any sense he would have just done what that other british faggot did who makes the [INSERT GAME HERE] IS... LE FAIR AND BALANCED clickbait videos does where he does all kinds of games but mainly strategy games
but no, apparently the Firaxis money was too good during Civ 6 and he was too shortsighted to see what would happen

>>712601543
a hallmark of US presidents is getting your war shit out of the way before you become president
idk how it became the case but it is

>>712602196
Washington
Frankly its kinda silly since we have a formal, recognized line of succession like 20 officials long we can afford to have one president eat it while directing an assault

>>712602196
can't allow some armchair nobody to lead our armies. even a retard grunt knows the physical logistical psychological realities of military operations.

>>712602196
In the past, fighting in a war was seen as having a sense of duty and honor while also being courageous. After Korea, veterans didn't really get the same reverence. No one really cares about Vietnam, Gulf War, or Iraq War veterans, and none have been elected to the presidency.

Also, presidents typically aren't the most well equipped to lead the military personally. You wouldn't want Trump on the ground dictating troop positioning. Neither would you want Biden, Obama, Bush Jr, or Clinton doing so. There's like a half dozen presidents, out of 45, that I would be comfortable with leading troops directly. Those being Washington, Jackson, Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, and Eisenhorer.

>>712602464
leading your own small army was up there with the grand tour for aspiring gentlemans.

>>712602037
>had to do sick horseriding tricks to not get shot by Mexicans
Wasn't that Sherman?

>>712602607
Historically there's been a problem with know-nothing elites getting the rank and file killed because they wanted to get a military career to bolster their chances in politics. This dates back to ancient Rome with the cursus honorum. Loads of stories of inept blue bloods getting into positions of power in the military and fucking everything up because they wanted a promotion when they got back to Rome.

You can see the same bullshit in 17th - early 19th century Western Europe, especially in Britain and France (bar the Napoleonic era). Russia, post-Frederick II Prussia, and the Dutch also all had this issue.

>>712602841
yeah, nothing says you cant take an advisor so i guess coming close to risking their lives (or ransom) against their stupidity is a good system.

>>712589234
>>712589416
yeah 7 is rotten to the core. the more you think about it, the more flaws you find

>>712510040
4 is the best
>t. started with 2

>>712603456
4>2>3 yes.
5 also.

>>712602841
>Loads of stories of inept blue bloods getting into positions of power in the military and fucking everything up because they wanted a promotion when they got back to Rome.
Literal timeless issue of field-grade officers trading the flesh of good men they're supposed to protect for a chance at a medal or honors. At least in older times the faggots could be made to kill themselves out of shame.