Thread 712532831

2025..... I am forgotten....

It was only a matter of time. I don't know why the fuck they bothered with a Versus mode.

>>712532831 (OP)
Nothing lasts forever. Got 1.2k hours out of the game, for its price I got plenty of value.

>Fatshark
Never again.

>>712532831 (OP)
still got the best fps melee combat howeverbeit

>>712532831 (OP)
and for a good fucking reason, die already and make space for darktide

>>712532831 (OP)
On one hand, it's Fatshart's fault and Sloptide will never be a good game.
On the other hand if they ever make a Vermintide 3 it'll likely be Sigmar garbage. You can't win.

>>712533502
explain to me why darktide is bad but vermintide good, goddamned idiot

i bet someone felt like a genius deciding customizable characters would be amazing for darktide but they were actually retarded all along

>>712533603
they were good actually

>>712533632
soulless compared to set characters like in vermintide

>>712533603
what a shitty opinion, you truly are retarded

>>712533709
"muh zoul" comment discarded kys boomer, customizable characters are much better, they should add more heads tho

>>712533550
The character creation meme. Extracted every nanogram of soul the game could have had by making everyone faceless mooks with nonexistent banter and dynamics because investor calculations said character creators increase engagement. No memorable adventurer gang with good banter, no play
They could have had an actually interesting and diverse cast by making a not-Olesya who's a radical inquisitor and uses all sorts of goons against Chaos, different classes and even xenos mercs, but no, suits demanded Imperium niggas only. And they sidesteped their own setup to add Arbites too.

>>712533808
>The character creation meme.
character creation was a nice addition
>Extracted every nanogram of soul the game could have had by making everyone faceless mooks with nonexistent banter and dynamics because investor calculations said character creators increase engagement.
blah blah, more pointless whining about character creation
>No memorable adventurer gang with good banter, no play
They could have had an actually interesting and diverse cast by making a not-Olesya who's a radical inquisitor and uses all sorts of goons against Chaos, different classes and even xenos mercs, but no, suits demanded Imperium niggas only. And they sidesteped their own setup to add Arbites too.
even more character creation whining

now, do you actually have serious complaints about the game?

>>712533948
Nah he's right about character creation

I just want more good Fantasy games

>>712533948
There is no animus behind your eyes.
>now, do you actually have serious complaints about the game?
Maps are too samey
Most talents suck ass
There's no good audiovisual feedback when playing well vs just running into crowds
Memedivers made it entirely obsolete

>>712534297
Forgot
>40k is a shit setting for wankers

>>712533151
>first person SHOOTER
>melee

>>712534370
it's a first person stabber

>>712532963
This. Played over 2k hours with 2 friends, but I'll probably never reinstall now.

>>712533948
really, nigger?
the repetitive, samey, randomly generated garbage maps
the awful weapon grades and it's incomplete mess of a crafting system
the audacity of having a mtx shop at launch when every other aspect of the game was unfinished that definitely suffered thanks to said mtx shit
character creation, while a good idea in theory, is really barebones, with almost no depth and no room for character development and it's interactions
if anything, anon is being kind for only complaining about the shitty OCs

>>712532831 (OP)
I want to put multiple children in Kerillian.
That'll be all.

>>712534297
>>712534446
all that stuff was worse in vermintide, you just don't like darktide for personal reasons, no objectiveness in your criticism

Everyone SHUT THE FUCK UP and come ruin my Chaos Wastes runs by voting shit spawns in my Cata runs:
https://www.twitch.tv/P1nk3ye_

Make me suffer!

>>712534446
>if anything, anon is being kind for only complaining about the shitty OCs
Everyone has already written essays of how shitty the gameplay and monetization where, so I focused on my pet peeve.

>>712534558
darktide postgame >>>>>> shit >>>>>> vermintide postgame

No Linux and renewed anticheat. I've got nothing new to enjoy now. The boycott is all there. I used to worship this game. It was wrong. My dicks bigger and brighter than you chang, I'm playing Izonso.

>>712533632
>>712533710
Customizable characters was a straight up retarded move. Fatshark themselves realised this and had to massively up the involvement of the morningstar crew like Rannik and Zola.

A huge part of what makes V1 and 2 so good is the characters. A loveable cast is way better than generic plugins. I really hope they go back to a fixed cast for sigmartide which they are clearly making in the background.

literally still has more updates/events/content than darktide even after they launched darktide lmao

>>712534661
>Customizable characters was a straight up retarded move
your opinion

Darktide will never be as good, even if they fix the gameplay, because 40K is just a shit setting.

>>712534526
>bless the mind too small for doubt
truly a chaplain's wet dream

>>712532831 (OP)
most fun I had with melee since Dark Messiah
shame Darktide decided to introduce the 20 variants of same looking weapon and all of them handle like floaty shit

>>712534661
>I really hope they go back to a fixed cast for sigmartide which they are clearly making in the background.
It's going to be the same cast. Thrown in a chaos pocket in the End Times and shat out in AOS. Bardin will complain about how retarded words like "duardin" are.

>>712534725
This

>>712534725
Truth cyclonic torpedo.

>>712532831 (OP)
>*kills shartide*
You're welcome ratfuckers!

>>712534979
>we have 40faggot fagbase at home

>>712534558
>elgifag

>>712534791
That would definitely be the safest bet but I would expect new characters too as careers=money

It pains me how bad Darktide is doing. V2 is 7 years old and still going strong, I doubt darktide will have those numbers when it reaches the same stage. Such a wasted opportunity.

>>712533550
No bots in darktide. You could do most of vermintide single player which is far preferable to randos because there's alwaya one autistic fuck who combs every milimeter of the map looking for loot dice while you try to progress and vice versa.

Honestly not as bad in darktide due to how loot works but still annoying to play with randos for similar reasons

>>712535072
That's SIR elig to you, PEASENT!

>>712535069
It's at least retardedly self aware and not taken as 3deep9u serious political business like 40k

>>712534725
this

>>712534558
I'll consider it if you're an actual witch chad and aren't just using that as a random reaction image

>>712534725
Fantasy was so boring it already died

>>712534431
oooh thats so impressive how you have friends wow. its like a highschooler saying how they've drank their first beer.

>>712535317
>he unironically plays witch instead of chad, sexy, elf waifu

>>712534725
This
Age of Smegmar can fuck off though

the only elf build I liked was dual sword crit build before fatshark "balanced" her talents

>>712535502
Wrong kind of witch. I play dawi and elgi mostly in vt

>>712535126
DT2 bots are default equip mooks and never useful, in VT2 you can properly set up the bots and they can be far more powerful than the average pubbie. Ironbreaker Bardin bot can pretty much carry the whole thing, just keep grabbers off him and he'll do the rest.

>>712535438
Unironically more relevant in current year than AOS thougheverbeit.

>>712532831 (OP)
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>>712535639
Relevant to old people

>>712533550
>narrative is fucked fundementally
Vermintide: Consistent cast of characters who are given the chance to grow and bounce off one-another and form meaningful dynamics and provide entertainng banter.
Darktide: "Disposable rejects" - Literally impossible to provide anything other than surface level "so how's the weather" dialogue because every mission assumes its the first time any member of the squad, or mission control, have met one-another before.

>"death by thousand cuts" gameplay loop
Vermintide: Straightforward and relatively skill based system where as long as you're constantly alert and aware of your surroundings you can come out of most encounters relatively unscathed.
Darktide: Constantly ground down by bullshit like chip damage, the wound system/corruption and constrainted resource management (your main three defensive tools - Blocking, Sprinting and Dodging - all share the same resource)

>gearing system is fucked
Vermintide: Weapons have basically two real variables with any variance and you can either reroll them infinitely (resources permitting) or keep an eye out for rare weapons that have perfect stat rolls (and if you get duplicates, you can grind them down and use them to make an ideal weapon of your choice)
Darktide: Every weapon has 9-10 variables, 5-6 of which have like 100 points of variance each, and you are constantly impeded at every opportunity in pursuit of the perfect weapon by RNG and incremental grind.

>map design sucks shit
I can pick up Vermintide after not playing it for 2 years and instantly know where I am and where I'm going.
100 hours in Darktide and every map still looked the fucking same by the end with only a few memorable setpieces.

>character balance sucks
Vermintide: Distinct classes with clear strengths and weaknesses. Disalowing duplicate characters encourages people to try different things.
Darktide: CYOA skill tree slop where everything blurs together under 1-2 optimal builds that most people run.

>vermintide
>maps set in woodlands, towns, sewers, swamp camps, tundra, dwarven ruins, mines, castles etc.
>rats, beastmen and nurgle enemies
>characters have a dwarf, an elf, and a witch so the dialogue/banter is varied and crossculture

>darktide
>same boring ass industrial/sewer level imperium aesthetic
>all the horde tier enemies in 40k like orcs and nids and they just defaulted to reusing the nurgle mooks again
>all characters are empire goys so all they ever talk about is muh empror muh heresy

>>712535787
>same boring ass industrial/sewer level imperium aesthetic
>all the horde tier enemies in 40k like orcs and nids and they just defaulted to reusing the nurgle mooks again
>all characters are empire goys so all they ever talk about is muh empror muh heresy
40keks love this slop though, it fits the pig trough setting.

>>712534431
what a bunch of losers lmao

>>712532831 (OP)
Still gets updates and still far more fun than it's sequel Darktide.
That said, it's the 10th anniversary of V1 this year. Maybe Fatshark should just come out and say they plan to make a V3 already

>>712533710
>>712533632
>>712533948

Fuckin' zoomers I swear.

>>712535639
>thougheverbeit
kill yourself shartie stop speaking like an autistic freak

>>712532880
versys mode released?!

>>712535317
nta but hello fellow witch enjoyer.

>fatshark balance and nerfs
no thanks

FATSHARK IS ONE OF THE WORST DEVELOPERS EVER!

>darktide release coming up soon after a few delays
>vermintide players keep on stating "the game will be shit on launch, fartshart keep on doing this, war of the roses, vermintide, vermintide 2, all the same shit launch"
>40k players ignore the warning because "well vermintide 2 is said to be good" (forgetting the "now" part) and "its been delayed to iron out bugs"
>darktide releases
>its a buggy mess but the cash shop works perfectly fine

40k paypigs gotta paypig

I just don't get how it seems not only Fatshark but every other dev who made a co-op Warhammer game after Vermintide 2, seemingly learned nothing from V2 and keep regressing.
One of the things V2 especially has going for it as far as replayability is bots that are actually useful and don't feel like they're outright holding you back when you play with them. Customizable bots and loadouts with full access to talents, showing off your cosmetics and being built how you want to support your playstyle.
Yeah, these are meant to be online co-op games, but it's good solo play which always brings people back and encourages them to drop in and drop out whenever they want.

>>712536756
>40k paypigs gotta paypig
Just wait until Total War 40k comes out
That'll be 19.99 for one new faction piggy

sweden yes

>>712537082
sweden no

>>712536945
$25 minimum

>>712533948
you are retarded. even from statistics point of view it was pointless because people use less than 10% of the customizable options as they are all ugly as fuck.

If it had crossplay it would still be insanely active. But it was a little early for adopting that online tech. So the player base is split across 3 platforms. If they made a V3 it would be on pc/Xbox/ps/NS and would have crossplay and would be alive for 6+ years

Vermintide 2 had 10x better combat than Darktide. Kind of disappointing.

>>712538874
It's active enough. And i'd say we dodged a bullet because having to carry consolefags sounds awful.

Why Vermintide will always be better than Darktide

>dwarf recognizes the existence of chaos dwarfs and compliments them
Reddit end times slop writing. The characters are shit.

It was fun to play, shame they locked Cataclysm behind a paywall and ruined the roguelike mode.

>>712535975
What would they do with V3 though? Even more not magical skills? The weapons have already all been covered too. Any attempt would just look like V2.5 if were being generous.

am still having fun on vanilla and modded

>>712532831 (OP)
Holy shit. The darktide new class "extended" gameplay video was miserable to watch. It's literally the worst class which doesn't fill any sort of niche but has a tacked on novelty of a friendly NPC to it. Compare this to the VT2 premium classes and the difference in quality is absolutely appalling.

>>712538972
Yes it's still quite active despite being split into thirds. But imagine if that community was all one.

>>712536045
yes. Only the chinese play it right now

>>712539103
fuck off solo mode nigger subhuman.

>>712534558
speak

>>712535639
Wfb's revival struggles to get 1/10th fo AoS audience in tabletop events, so it loses on an equal footing and basically needed big brand names like Tota War to pretand it's relevant

>>712536757
Most warhammer games also squander the possibility of have great over the top characters with intense personalities and traits that all stem from the insanity of Warhammer.
Instead we get basically nothing

>>712533039
/thread

When you open darktide on steam the first thing you see is a black person.

>>712535759
The gearing only has the base stats as rng now and you spend a mintue at most buying gray weapons to get your ideal potential spread, ugrade it, and you're set for life.

>>712535759
>you are constantly impeded at every opportunity in pursuit of the perfect weapon by RNG and incremental grind.
No you fucking are not, they removed all that shit, you can freely change out blessings and perks for an ordo fee, it's trivial to get 100% perfect min-maxed weapons now

>>712539157
Because it's the end times. And I want it to feel like the end times. The cast were already given more powerful classes, so transition them into a sequel game with more powerful enemies.

>>712539187
>class specific weapons are also shit
this is awful

>>712539491
Assuming the sequel isn't in Age of Shitmar, then sure. But how does gameplay differ beyond new enemies? Otherwise just make a few new DLC

>>712539272
Why would I ever willingly want to play with a 40k fan?
Fatshark should do a public service and allow solo play already

>>712535759
Darktide zealot literally has only one way to play and that is critting and being aggresive primarily in melee. There's no other way to play it. The skill tree is a fucking sham to upsell $4 class DLCs to $12 with very litttle effort.

>>712539157
Next Vermintide will be a different setting. It's proper old world, not end times slop, and you play as four dwarfs fighting rats and greenskins in the underway and in abandoned holds and in the mountains.

>>712539642
You should do everyone a public service and off yourself.

>>712539759
>He can't martydom
Sad.

>>712539897
as much as i like ratclick 2 (over 500 hours), cant they do other enemies for a change?
all of the characters being dorfs is fine as long as they are visually distinct

>>712539897
Could be comfy. Though I will miss Kruber and Saltz

>>712540249
No beastshitters but agreed. Fighting several goblin tribes with the occasional orc boss could be fun.

>>712540248
Matrydom zealot is not viable in havoc. If you claim otherwise you are a fraud and a liar.

>>712540358
im not too familiar with fantasy but arent there lizardmen too?

Sigmartide should be about the U5 somehow cheating the End Times and avoiding being thrown into the soul sucking up Nagash did and wind up in the Sigmar setting. To which they have to repeatedly battle Undead Legions who are trying to kill them and capture their souls under orders of Sofia Fuegonasus who seeks to present them as gifts to Nagash. You can throw in Chaos and the Ratties later.

>>712540515
Only fat lizardwomen with thick thighs and tits meant for human men
>source: genetic memories passed from the Old Ones

>>712540542
Isn't it about time for aos to stop raping warhammer and come up with its own shit

>>712540443
When the fuck did anyone bring up havoc?

>>712540736
Vermintide 1 and AoS first edition came out the same year. FB and End Times were basically already dead by the time V1 officially released and Vermintide continues to serve as the last bit of official Fantasy lore. But the End Times has to happen sooner or later and there's no point in just killing the cast off when they can just be transitioned into AoS.

>>712540871
>why did you bring up the only game mode that fucking matters??
lmao stick with your baby mode, shitter.

>>712539187
Don't care. Still buying to support fatshark.

>>712540736
warhammer fantasy raped its own setting like 3-4 times already. I mean, just look at the lizardmen.

>>712541031
Do you still have to be forced into a group to run havocs?

>>712541576
Yes. You need to have a party (atleast 2 people) to start havoc games.

I like the CRUSHER(weapon) Luv me impact.

>>712540515
Yes, there are Liggers in the world, quite a few but they are literally on a different continent across the not-atlantic.

Felenid uodate when?
:3c

LONG LIVE DARKTIDE. LONG LIVE HAVING X4 OF THE SAME CLASS IN A MATCH. VERMINTIDE KEKS GET FUCKED

>>712532831 (OP)
>>712532963
I only come back for the new story updates. But gone soon as they're done. It's a shame, but right now Darktide just "feels" better to play, and it's clear that's the focus for Fatshark right now.

I hope maybe soon we get a proper send off to the Ubersreik Five. Or at least the tease of a sequel. Maybe with hordes of Greenskins.

>>712539897
>>712540249
I rather not reduce vermintide to rock and stone faggotry
a gotrek and felix style party with a dwarf slayer, human adventurer, light mage, vampire huntswoman and then a wych for flavor would be pretty dope, I think

>>712542557
A minotaur abhuman would have been better. They could even use the ogryn as a skeleton to build something more unique than the shitty arbites we got.

>>712535642
I just asked for some meatballs man.

>>712536756
>One darktide class is 12 $
>Its just another veteran with dog gimmick thats sucks
>One vermintide 2 class is 4$
>Unique gameplay for each character
>People are defending this shit like crazy
I never realized how fucked 40k niggers are

>>712543296
The darktide lead team has to be composed of the stupidest fucks in the company. VT2 had a way better team.

Skinktide.

I think am addicted to parry FK

>>712543605
you are a liability to your team

>>712543635
ok engie/elf/bh

how many voice lines will the Arbites have? Because if they added entire dialogues with the other rejects then every VA would have been required to record new shit ontop of the actors doing the 6 Arbites personalities

>>712543384
nah they got the one of the most consooomer fanbase in the world and they are just milking these absolute fucking morons to death. Before game released they were talking about how cosmetic shop will let them make new content free unlike vermintide 2. Now people are defending x3 priced new class with "ACTHUALLY THEY NEVER SAID IT WILL THEY SAID IT MIGHT OKAY I WILL CONSOOOOOM".

I really wish this game had a better server browser so it'd be easier to make/find quality rooms.

Does anyone have fun builds to share? I dont care if they are cataclysm viable or not.

>>712543762
yes..the DLC is way more expensive because they have to record dialogues of 6 VAs inaddition to conversation with existing 6 x 4 personalities and also for the NPCs. All for little to no actual impact on the game.

>>712543923
MOAR

>>712543923
everything is viable on cataclysm
vermintide is one of the few games where individual skill matters way more than everything else

>>712544047
it's really funny they enforce this kind of decision while also having a premium FOMO shop

>>712534725
correct

>>712543923
which class? I have a bounty hunter with the shotgun which is funny

Got about 2.6k hours in it.
Brilliant game but I'm just bored of it now

>>712544193
>MOAR

>>712544219
Guess I didnt really need to include it since i agree with that. Lots of people really like to mention the importance of breakpoints in that diff.

>>712544337
Any class really, Ive had a lot of fun with BH with the shottys.

>>712535787
The BVLL of Ostland has the best bants along with Saltzpyre

>>712544602
besides that build I don't have unorthodox things

>>712544645
That image doesn't make any sense. How can he even walk when the halberd is placed between his legs like that?

>>712544219
>everything is viable on cataclysm
go play 2handed warpick bardin on cata and tell me how it goes

>>712543635
theres no such thing as liability in this game until you play cata 3 or something

>>712544219
only retards who don't play cata would say that "everything is viable in cataclysm"

>>712545002
Warpick is great. One handed Axe is solid garbage though

>>712545047
the black ones are the stormvermins

>>712545002
If you had said 1 handed axe you could have had a point.
Pick is useable you just need every attack speed you can get. Decent Weapon on Slayer just got left behind by the Engineer Axe/Hammer thing.
1h axe is ok on Slayer because you can get another weapon for wave clear

>>712543635
FK is good thoughbeit

>>712545047
God I love the chaos warriors in Vermintide. It's the ONLY game that has gotten the feel and sound of them right. They're supposed to be walking tanks and you really feel the weight behind them.

>>712539135
Huh Only time Bardin mentions them is when Sienna talks about how she melted couple of Dawi Zhar. And Bardin compliments Sienna not chaos dorfs

>>712532831 (OP)
I still play it semi-regularly. I'm currently doing solo legendary runs on all characters for the OG campaign. FK and IB done, working on merc now. Honestly not sure how I'll deal with the last boss with a non-tanky class, but I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

>>712535787
40k Empire goys could have worked if they were different backgrounds

>Could have gotten a psyker from Catachan for a change of pace on super frail pyskers
>Mordian veteran as the trooper, all prim and proper
>Krieg Zealot, does the tf2 pyro muffle sound

>>712539135
>shame they filted the jeets

I do agree sometimes the writing makes me teeth grind like when Bardin says you need to forgive about necromancy. Roguelite mod is fun what are yout alking about

>>712545687
Does it take a lot of time to kill the final boss for you? I assume the bots all dies eventually.
>Honestly not sure how I'll deal with the last boss with a non-tanky class
If you have a reliable way of dealling with plague monks and elites without taking damage from them then it should be very doable.

>>712534115
this shit still makes me crack up

>>712546969
NTA but the second phase is a PITA because he teleports around after you get a few hits in, shoots magic missiles that do chip damage. Takes a lot of time. Nuking is possible with a select few careers, but it requires a bit of a setup. Bots will eventually go down unless they are setup perfectly and maybe have a modded AI. No idea if the mod is whitelisted.

>>712532831 (OP)
great game, shame darktide didnt live up to it

>>712532831 (OP)
Still better than Darktide!
>>712532963
I got 2K hours, and I havent uninstalled the game yet, but I barely played it in a long time. But again, I got more than 2 thousands hours on it, I already got my fill (and any new update will possibly make me check V2 again)
Still around 1-2 thousand players play the game even in 2025, so it is still a recommended game for those who havent tried it.
>>712535759
This, /thread.

>>712544602
breakpoints only matter in cata+
dwontards literally run btb lobbies out of boredom every now and then
>>712545002
like i always do? dawidrop pick slayer is one of the most mechanical classes you can play
>>712545063
lol, just say you got the game for free years ago and mommy won't give you her credit card to buy wommy
many such cases!

>>712545063
>t. coping OEnigger main

darktide is way more dead in the water than vt2.

>>712551983
It started with it lol

>>712535759
>praising the lazy perk system of vt2 while shitting on darktides skill tree
a whole new level of retardation

>>712551983
Maybe don't claim stupid shit that no one that plays the game cares about, and you won't rile up the autistic retards that have 2k hours into the game to begin with.
Hard concept, I know.

>>712552194
dude you can't pretend DT trees have a lot of diversty, there's a lot of mustpick talents if you want to play in havoc like Iron Willl

>>712547436
Sadly the mod has been unsanctioned for several months now but the recent patches has made some small improvements to bots AI, they wont heal low HP zealots anymore unless the zealot is on deaths door.

While talking about bots, what are good bot builds for surviving legend?
IB Bardin is hard to get wrong, I've got decent Unchained and Warrior Priest bots but I cant seem to make a decent Kruber or elf bot.

>>712554434
warrior priest is a terrible bot.
IB bardin with double hammers, unchained with flail and conflagration, sott with javelin and double sword, merc kruber with OYFM + spear and shield, and WHC with rapier are the best picks even for cata games.
IB bot in particular will always be the last to go down in any situation, and you can shoot the fucker for easy gromril cc.

>>712554978
WP with 2 shield weapons and The Comet's Gift has been a pretty good bot for me but WHC dies more easily from my experience.
Will try out the bot loadouts, thanks.
>you can shoot the fucker for easy gromril cc
Holy shit this is great

how do people put thousands of hours into this trash?

i tried it with a couple friends years ago and it was boring as fuck.
>kill some npcs, collect some junk, great levels over
then they wanted to play the same shit over again...and again..and again...
wtf? they already knew where all the "secret" stuff was the first time we played through every level, now they just want to do it over and over again?
what kind of retards are playing this shit?

>>712555831
any bot that has no access to ranged weapons is terrible.
bots do not have roles and will actively ignore any if given one.
WP will just chase your packmaster instead of bubbling you because he just bubbled another bot because they were about to get shanked by a lone pink.
meanwhile all the others would've just immediately sniped the hookrat.
WP, slayer, and GK: they all look cool and have interesting kits, but they are indubitably the worst bots you could choose from.
if your WHC is dying too often, give him riposte, cast away and unending.
213123, that's what i use.

>>712556623
shitter alert.