>game has eIemental damage
>fire is the strongest

>>712606438 (OP)
Why is fire the jobber element 99% of the time? It's insanely rare to actually see it be presented like a true force of nature

>has fire and lightning powers

>>712606438 (OP)
why is earth considered the weakest in most games when its by far the most powerful

>>712606663
In cartoons? Because you can't really show people being horribly burned alive and even glancing blows would have their clothes/armor melting into their skin.
You can wave off people getting hit with water/air/earth pretty easily without getting too gruesome, but you can't really show the full effects of fire burning someone in a kid's show.

>>712606438 (OP)
Why can fire benders channel lightning anyways? Why can't water benders control water that's in the air?

>>712606663
Because fire is a chemical reaction. Water is everywhere in the air and in living organisms, air/oxygen is obviously everywhere as is the earth you stand on. in ATLA an airbender can just take away all the oxygen out of a room which is how Gyatso killed dozens of fire nation soldiers hopped up on comet steroids. A waterbender can just snuff out the fire or bloodbend and an Earthbender can disrupt the footing or chuck a big ass rock at a firebender. For this reason its why the Fire Nation is a stand-in for Imperial Japan and shit on the other nations tech wise.

>>712606945
because firebending is just channeling very high levels of energy. in that aspect lightning is just advanced fire.

and iirc some waterbenders could use humidity

>>712606663
to my knowledge nobody has quite yet figured out how to make fire feel strong without it also being super gory

>>712606663
because it's just hot.
wind can be hot or cold
and earth and water have a lot more going for them

>>712606945
I was thinking Water benders could legit make the most powerful swords by making the water sharp from pressure into a waterjet

>>712607135
>>712606663
>>712606850
In terms of Avatar, pretty much these. Can't show people being burned alive or in agony as their flesh is seared, so even when someone gets hit by a direct blast of fire it just knocks them off their feet like it was hot air.
Hell, in Korra with Lavabending there were multiple times where the characters just stood around lava like it was nothing.

im just saying if I had fire powers I wouldn't be nice about it

>>712606438 (OP)
>game has elemental damage
>it's all the same

Choose your water tribe gf

>>712606945
when aang and gang were in the desert katara got water from the sky

Water was the most OP wtf. Heal People, Control their blood, Later on you could take their bending by blocking their blood.

>no bending powers
>still the most chad character in all of Avatar

>>712607536
Katara, such an easy choice it's not even funny. 4 of those brownies I don't even recognize, but I've never read the comics and I haven't watched the show in about a decade.

>>712607676
Bloodbending needs the full moon and unique training, Legend of Korra just had a few freaks of nature that could just do it whenever.

>>712606438 (OP)
Since waterbender can use bloodbending during full moon, why don't firebender can use the power of sun? Like bending the sunlight and focusing it to become a high precision laser cannon aka sunstrike.

>>712607536
I grew up in alaska I wouldn't want any water tribe girls

>>712606438 (OP)
how do I find a dominant girlfriend like this who actually cares about me

>>712606438 (OP)
>Evil bitch, wins season 2 and doesn't get redeemed by the end of the series.
>Voiced by Grey Delisle.

This character is peak evil women.

>>712606850
>>712607380
Really it applies to all the elements, they're WAY more deadly than they're depicted.
Earthbending for one should easily be horrific, a normal human can kill someone by tossing a rock, earthbenders are slinging around enough force to dismember people, rip all their skin off with sand, crush them into pancakes, etc...
All those delta P videos you've seen about guys sucked through inch wide holes aren't caused by water, they're AIR pressure, which means an airbender in a sealed room is unbelievably deadly, there's realistically nothing you could do to escape from a weaponized implosion.
water is somehow a combination of both of them but even more deadly
and fire doesn't even need to be mentioned

It makes some degree of sense that benders can sort of defend themselves against other benders, but realistically it's like a sword fight, one wrong move and you're fucking dead instantly. Non benders are lucky if they're in the same room as a bender fight and live long enough to jump out a window and run away

>website has video game board
>people make threads about cartoons on it

>>712608212
realistically there's no reason earthbenders can't control glass and quartz

Firecest is the only good shipping of this show and fandom.

>>712607536
gnsisir's Katara

>>712608593
They only make them here because they don't want to talk to the same crop of /co/cksuckers that have every detail memorized.

Toph's shoulders are pure sex

>>712608916
>thread improved

Reminder that you can't fix Azula and any attempt in doing so will just result in her hating you and possibly killing you for it

>>712608560
I think it helps that most benders can't do any of what you mentioned and that ATLA humans are alot more durable than normal ones. Although it is funny watching Katara slice metal or boulders and later use the same attack and it just knocks away a generic mook.

What's the strongest element?

>old man gets a boss fight
Air was the strongest

if avatarfd is realed id be a blood bender aned be stronger then all of u combinered

>>712606945
Uncle Iroh literally explains that he got is lightning channeling ability through studying waterbenders, there are characters advanced enough who can pull the water from plants, or sweat, or manipulate the water in a person's body, and then in the (not as good) second show heaps of characters gained abilities which blurred the lines between the elements. It's just the that the main four are basic disciplines.

Where are the cute brown jungle girls?

>>712608212
Them using the power of a comet was literally the whole plot of the show my man.

>>712609096
On an individual level, waterbending. On a large scale, earthbending.

Why is it so hard to make a good Avatar game?

>>712608369
Why not
What’s wrong with them

>>712608593
/co/ has better vidya threads too. Last I checked at least. So like 5 years ago.

>>712609335
Now that I think about it that doesn’t make sense

A rock comes closer and all of a sudden everyone gets a 2x multiplier on their attacks? What the fuck

>>712609526
nigga it's a fantasy show
take your autism somewhere else

>>712609565
Nigger fuck you
I can question my kids cartoon shows on this Burmese carpet weaving forum if I want

Also water gets stronger in a fullmoon, when are the other elements getting their multiplier ??

>>712606438 (OP)
Show was shit, but Azula (also Suki and June) were hot. No pun intended.

>>712609097
I hope I get to be just as fun bis age. In shape too.

>>712607536
I miss when korramotherporn was meme

>>712609096
Love

>>712606438 (OP)
>fire is touted as the superior element
>it is attributed with wanton destruction

meanwhile the other elements:
>Water creates literal spears of ice and freezing water instantly, trapping people in their place or defending themselves, not to mention bloodbending being inherently broken
>Air creates tempests and storms that can destroy the land, or blow any fire away with a single gust
>Earth literally cracks the earth, hurls massive 200-1000kg boulders, or flicks pebbles like a snipershot, is capable controlling even sand, iron, steel and mud, being able to bury people alive before they even notice a quake

That show genuinely ruined fire for me, I almost never go firemagic in any RPG or MMO anymore

>>712606438 (OP)
Asuka is based, I like her.

>>712606438 (OP)
>fire is 'strong but slow'
>lightning is 'weak but fast'

I want a filter to instaban all frogniggers and their braindead posters that almost feels like AI

>>712610312
>Fire is the DPS element, doing nothing except nukes and burning DoT
>Earth is the "armor element", focusing on tanky buffs and CC
>water is primarily for debuffs, CC & healing, and generally pathetic for damage, regardless of including ice or not
Bonus:
>Lightning is just an edgelords fire, doing more damage but no DoT and less imaginative abilities (IE: the ever present chain ligthning or generic thunderbolt)
>Dark is just oversaturated purple, focusing on debuffs like blind and stat nerfing curses
>Light is, of course, buffs and healing, with the obligatory one or two damage abilities just so they don't feel like an absolute garbage experience for solo leveling

>>712609021
I don't want to fix her I want to break her

>>712610625
nobody asked for your blog, tranny

>>712609021
Pregnancy works.

>>712610680
>>712610312
Lightning is high variance. If a fireball deals 40-60 damage and a DoT, a lightning bolt deals 1-100.

>>712609021
doesn't she get redeemed though?

>>712611002
You are brown, newfag. And will never fit in.

>water gets ice bending and blood bending
>airbending gets you flight which is mega busted
>earthbending gets you lava bending and metalbending
>firebending gets dick

So which element is realistically the strongest? Air? How could someone defeat an opponent that could literally just suck the air out of their lungs or make their head explode?

>>712611063
people were posting frogs here before you got groomed to cut your dick off

>>712611064
Fire has lightning and combustion

>>712606438 (OP)
She fucks her brother btw

>>712608560
>>712609035
Yeah, for Avatar you can kind of excuse the durability of people since the rest of the universe is also running on "magical kung fu" logic. Even non-benders are shown to be very skilled and athletic and able to do stuff that no humans in real life could do.

>>712607536
Korra's mom is such a babe

>>712611064
Fire should be literally pure form of energy and be able to easily melt and vaporize water, consume air and even go around metal/lava since those does absorb heat and in sense should melt. Avatar is just too retarded to balance the classes and how difficulty they can be.

>>712611094
Cockbending

>>712611103
>election tourist
You are brown.

>>712609021
Brothercock

>>712606438 (OP)
It's amazing how every single thing to follow the original cartoon, sequels/movies/live action/comics/games, are all complete and utter garbage
It's honestly impressive. Even Sonic gets a good thing every now and then. Avatar hasn't had anything since 2008

>>712607536
I could fuck the retard out of Korra and make her not ruin everything

>>712611258
>more tranny newfag projection
Here's how this will play out. You will look at these objective statistics, seethe and dilate, and reply with some irrelevant ad hom repetition because you have no arguments. Kill yourself (sooner) tranny.

>>712606945
Water benders can do that. All of the bending styles have exquisite expressions of the skill that come only with true spiritual enlightenment and understanding of the element's philosophy. Or perversions of that philosophy.

Fire has lightning bending when you are able to basically be a psycho and detach the emotions you use to bend fire from yourself. Earth has metal bending when you're able to truly understand how the physical earth permeates the entire world. Water has bloodbending to abuse the nurturing and life-giving aspects of water. And air doesn't have much expressed in the original series but you get hints of stuff like true flight and suffocating people when you have that clear, spiritual understanding of the world around you.

And then they fuck it up and have everybody bend lightning and metal in the sequel as professions because they didn't understand the spirituality of their own world.

>>712611430
>everyone I don't like is a tranny because my underage newfaggotry ass can only spam buzzwords to fit in.
You are BROWN. Like the color of my SHIT. BROWN. Turdworld BROWN. You can't even tell if your ass is dirt after shitting because your skin is in the same color as your shit: BROWN. BROWNOID BROWN. And you will never fit in, you turd hands BROWN.

>>712611430
you can tell the frogfag is mad because he's pulling out all the buzzwords and he's talking in an even more aggressively self-aggrandizing way. in other words, i think you're an ESL poster and you are big mad

>>712611678
>did exactly what I foretold
kek, since you trannies are brain damaged it's pathetically easy to get a read on you (you're also very obviously a tranny btw I'm not just saying it for fun)

>>712611094
If we're going strictly by what's in the show, suffocation has some implied limits. It's either an indiscriminate wide area suicide attack, or a gimmick only useful on already helpless opponents due to the uninterrupted concentration required.

>>712611735
uh huh, the capslock seething tranny above you (coincidentally 1 minute before your post) totally isn't mad

>>712611747
>b-but..[BROWN esl gibberish]
You are fucking BROWN. You look and smell like SHIT. Diarrhea BROWN. Your entire family looks like a pile of poo because they're all BROWN.

tranny got mindbroken (more than he already is) kek

>>712611831
>seethe seethe seethey tranny seethe dilate seethe (another meme to totally own internet strangers)
yaaaaawn like you're not the predictable one here lol

>>712611947
>[pile of ESL BROWN shit]
Typically coming from BROWN hands. Poo hands, poo posts.

>>712611965
>confirming those specific words trigger you
ywnbaw

>>712611947
based AIking

>>712612095
>more ESL
Brownoid brown.

>Average Joe Bender:
Fire > Earth > Water > Air
>Absolute Top Tier Benders:
Water > Air > Fire > Earth

That's how I see it. Korra increased the potential of waterbending to a ridiculous degree.

Why is a tranny melting down at pepe in here?

>>712612194
Actually that's Apu

>>712607536
Desna

>>712612194
>Why [pile of BROWNglish trash]
Holy FUCK! You're so BROWN! You're extremely BROWN. Literally can NOT stop looking like SHIT even when you type with your BROWN hands, that are covered in SHIT SKIN.

>>712612095
>ESL getting called on spewing buzzword garbage he learned from 4chan tries spinning it as LE MAD
i've seen this same routine play out millions of times already. i'll even do what you did without your gay soliloquy jerking off those ebin meme words from 4chins you love so much and tell you how the rest of this will play out.

you'll go keep beating this retarded drum about how i'm a raging trannoid, raging against me specifically because the other anon already gave up and isn't entertaining you, at one point you'll stop directly replying to my posts because ooohhh that'll just make me so friggin' mad!!! (and not because you're desperately trying to one up a fucking stranger on the internet in a shouting match and you somehow feel like you're losing lmao), and eventually you'll find one little thing that you can twist as a victory and go "heh... i accept your concession, tranny... nothing personnel...". in fact, you'll probably try to say i'm mad just based on the length of my post alone, and odds are you won't even try to challenge this because you don't know how to

should i keep going or is this enough "seething" to get you to finally expand your vocabulary?

>>712609657
>when are the other elements getting their multiplier
They aren't, they also aren't losing their bending entirely on solar/lunar eclipses

>>712606945
Do you not recall waterbenders being able to create dense fog that lets them move undetected?

>>712609723
when was Senna a meme

>>712612985

>Random non vidya question
>Lust provoking image

>>712612985
How can I correct Toph's attitude?

>>712611187
based wincestbro

>>712614139
like clockwork
thanks for playing my game

>>712610680
Funny how you've just described Guild Wars' elementalists.

>>712614343
troonbro you ban evaded to post a wall of text nobody cares about lol
you objectively lost

>>712614598
>eventually you'll find one little thing that you can twist as a victory and go "heh... i accept your concession, tranny... nothing personnel..."
>in fact, you'll probably try to say i'm mad just based on the length of my post alone, and odds are you won't even try to challenge this because you don't know how to
lol. i'm willing to bet you also picked up that ban evading non-sequitur from some argument you were spectating in another thread, favala monkey. either way, i clearly read you like a book, so just sit down and stop replying already. i can see your replies coming from a mile away

>>712614960
meant for >>712611735

>>712614224

>>712615038
more

>>712615036
>moves to the le passive aggressive ownage phase because he has nothing else to say
yeah, that's what i thought

>>712615304
>he (yes, 'he', ywnbaw) admits I owned him
concession accepted

>>712615365
>eventually you'll find one little thing that you can twist as a victory and go "heh... i accept your concession, tranny... nothing personnel..."
dance, monkey, dance

>>712615458
meant for >>712615304

>>712615038
sauce?

Aang's turtle friend at the end was fine, the ending is EPIC.

>>712615604
he was so autistic about not killing because "muh monks teachings", but don't monks also live in celibacy and stay away from mundane cravings? Why wasn't he autistic about that?

Is Korra worth attempting to watch again? I remember starting to watch it and being so disappointed at how shit it was compared to ATLA

>>712615604
The ending was shit
>>712615752
Worse than that he specifically thinks to ask another Air Nomad Avatar for advice because they'll tell him what he wants to hear and she tells him that his duty to the world means he can't follow the same principles as the monks and that he needs to kill Ozai

>>712615761
not it's complete shit
the only good thing to come out of it is korra porn

>>712615761
don't bother, they blew their load with S1, S2 canonically divorces the martial arts from bending, S3 i think is where Korra gets all emotional and severs the connection to past Avatars, S4 Korra says fuck it, lets in the spirit world forever, and fucks off to be sudden lesbians with Asami

>>712615752
He does kill one thing, that bird in the desert that steals Momo, but he was pretty pissed off during that time. Watertribe poon is THAT POWERFUL

>>712615860
>>712615840
He's pretty cool

>>712615860
you forgot to mention she nukes republic city and this was framed as a good thing SOMEHOW

>>712615921
only for being le evil airbender

>>712615959
HEY
She tried her best STOP CRITICISING HER FOR TRYING

>>712616004
He wasn't evil. He was BEYOND GOOD AND EVIL

>>712615921
>voiced by Henry fucking Rollins
>he even looks like him

>>712615761

someone explain to me why eskimos still have brown skin after like 5,000 years on the coldest oart of earth? shouldn't they be like white skin and silver blond by now?

>>712616219
The temperature doesn't really matter, they still have to deal with sunlight and what sunlight they do get is reflected off of almost every surface around them.

>>712616107
putting up with the tumblina yuri defense force for the better part of a decade was the most annoying thing of all

I started rewatching TLA recently and I don't remember it being this shitty, at least the first season
It's not even just the episodic nature or the childish humor or aang being a retard, the pacing and stakes are just fucked in almost every single episode and it's taking me out of it

>>712616916
The first season is kino, it's whimsicalness is great for what occurs later on. Plus you can pass it off as Aang just trying to have fun and being an immature goofball

>>712615536
https://litter.catbox.moe/cv5cwhycaiqhgatg.png

>>712617662
more

>>712607536
3 some with Korra and Katara

>>712615761
No, it's genuinely fucking terrible.

>>712608369
why did you left?

>>712606438 (OP)
Elemental systems are cringe.

>>712606438 (OP)
how is one element in a game "the strongest"?
Isn't the point of elements is that they counter each other?

>>712619250
It should be but lo and behold fire is the strongest

>Most people use ATLA pictures for a thread because they just want ATLA R34
>Scroll through thread
>No R34
>A cropped picture of porn and some exposed midriff fanart
>134 posts

Eh, it's easier to just go look up R34 if you really want it. I can't expect people to post R34 since it'll just get the thread deleted. I just know people like OP wanted porn and so do like 90% of the people in the thread.

>>712619424
I (and almost everyone else) just want to talk about best girls Azula and Ty Lee

>like ice
>it's always the shitty CC element that trades damage for slows
I just want to impale retards with giant icicles...

>>712607184
The water jet isn't sharp because of the water, dummy. It's carrying bits of metal to cut with: they'd have to have a pouch of metal shavings to make it work

>>712607184
>pressure
if you can just randomly apply unlimited pressure you can go nuclear with all bending elements

The faster a projectile is the more it gets fucked by water so eventually with modern guns water would become the strongest element because it can shield you bullets.

>>712621201
Until someone makes a gun that can fire an advance round to shatter the surface tension before the real bullet makes contact

>>712611965
bro types like a discord tranny

I wish they went the wuxing elements and used Wood and Metal

I like green wind element

>Game has scythes

>>712606945
If Katara used her waterbending in the same forceful energetic push as the firebenders/earthbenders. It would be like like an icicle shotgun blast.

all bending is, is molecular manipulation.
the more complex you manipulate, the more you can do. some manipulations lead to nothing though. just like real life.

>>712619250
>element that counters fire has a low spawn rate
>element that gets fucked by fire is too abundant
etc etc Devs are just stupid with this kind of shit

I remember playing legends of the arena, which was pretty good for a free pvp arena game. Some basic combos and nice animations with music from the show playing during it.

The soundtrack of the show in general was pretty sweet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aolx6rlpQyk

>>712621854
Katara couldn't use her waterbending like that because bending still had thematic consistency. Water primarily worked on the principles of pushing and pulling, ebbing and flowing. It wasn't explosive.

member trying to defeat brock wit ur charmander. good times.

sex with asami
sex with suki
sex with toph
sex with smeller bee
sex with that random earth kingdom girl who was into zuko for a while before he got captured by the gestapo

>>712606663
usually because fire is straightforward damage element and that's all it does. All other elements have status applications like cc which I suppose devs consider more fun and therefore make them more useful

>>712622062
If you don't know Jin's name then you can't have her even once

>>712622107
What's the matter loser, never heard of the "burn" status effect?

>>712607090
>For this reason its why the Fire Nation is a stand-in for Imperial Japan and shit on the other nations tech wise.
This a meme. Nothing in fire nation aesthetic look japanese, even their name doesn't sound japanese. Kyoshi warriors were the Japanese based on the name and aesthetic.

>>712606438 (OP)
Why weren't airbenders as industrialised as firebenders? I'd imagine airbending is way more efficient when you try to fuel a fire

>>712622053
sorry anon, it's actually just punching and kicking a bit. That's how the real pro benders do it.

>>712622112
oh shit I forgot about her. sex with her too. no I was referring to the other one, when zuko was in ba sing se and being an emo fag when iroh was trying to run his tea shop, there was a girl there who was into him too.

>>712607135
>to my knowledge nobody has quite yet figured out how to make fire feel strong without it also being super gory
Easy, make everyone defeated by fire element emits some sort of steam.

oh wait no that is her, goddamn it's been so long since I watched this show.

>>712622207
imagine your job is to make firebenders work like 20% more efficient...
do you remember that even by the time of Korra there are only like 4 airbenders

>>712622161
oh cool just another dot. Meanwhile shit like frost permastuns you and has something like stacking armor reduction and other busted shit.
I'm a firefag myself. Especially love fire beams

>>712606945
>Why can't water benders control water that's in the air?
Katara controls the fog when she disguised herself as the river spirit.
It's possible but just like everything else in the show only certain people can do it with talent and enough training.

>>712611643
>And air doesn't have much expressed in the original series but you get hints of stuff like true flight and suffocating people when you have that clear, spiritual understanding of the world around you.
Air give speed and extreme agility in the original series.

>>712622062
Why not those two?

20 years old. It may be my nostalgia goggles talking since I haven't watched it since the original run, but it was a masterpiece that came and went and now, afaik, it isn't readily available to rewatch. It's not anime, so there aren't a billion places to download it.

>>712606438 (OP)

>>712622493
>brown

>>712622493
oh yes of course sex with them as well but you know everyone already knows that. most people don't know about sex with june, though. or even sex with ursa, or sex with jinora.

>>712607676
Don't forget basic shit like draining water from trees for survival and controlling fog for concealment. It's way too OP, it didn't make sense water bender didn't have a huge kingdom. The south water tribe still look like a shithole in comparison to earth kingdom and fire nation.

Is this the best example of lightning in a bottle?
There's plenty of one hit wonders but it's rare that the creators then go on to make absolute garbage again and again and again and come nowhere near the quality of their fluke.

>>712622191
>the formerly isolated and peaceful island natiin that explosively industrialized and turned imperialist conqueror with racist undertones, which committed horrible war crimes and is in the process of conquering not-china
>not a stand in for imperial japan
k bud

>>712608593
This place also used to have better gun thread than the entirety of /k/ before some faggot anti-gun mod got uppity for no reason.

>>712622505
very well written show for a kid's show. it ain't perfect but it got a lot right.
>>712622672
probably a lot of examples actually. none come to mind right now. I think spongebob was lightning in a bottle, if you compare the early seasons to whatever it has transformed into late in its life.

>>712611030
No the last we saw of her is her getting chained like the bitch she should be.

>>712622525
You will never fit here

>>712622672
It is more that the creators were hacks who lucked out by having other people bringing in the talent for the first show

>>712622505
https://www.wco.tv/anime/avatar-the-last-airbender-book-1-water
https://www.wco.tv/anime/avatar-the-last-airbender-book-2-earth
https://www.wco.tv/anime/avatar-the-last-airbender-book-3-fire

>>712606438 (OP)
>ice can slow or even freeze enemies, extremely useful for crowd control
>earth can change or use terrain as part of the battle
>electric can chain attacks, have extremely powerful and expensive single target spells, drain energy or even paralyze
>air has extreme mobility and versatility
>nature has poison effects and damage over time galore

And then fire is just like “Does Damage”
And maybe has afterburn or something for a few seconds, almost always the most common resist as well.

Too bad because Pyromancy is innately cool

>>712622672
The creators don't seem to understand why people like the show
>>712622759
>Spongebob
I might be wrong, but the original creator's vision ended with the first movie, which the ending felt like the ending to Spongebob's story. But of course Nick kept the franchise going and going while he didn't handle the show anymore. I think he returned for a brief time in later seasons, before he kicked the bucket few years later.

>>712610183
>>Water creates literal spears of ice and freezing water instantly, trapping people in their place or defending themselves, not to mention bloodbending being inherently broken
>>Air creates tempests and storms that can destroy the land, or blow any fire away with a single gust
>>Earth literally cracks the earth, hurls massive 200-1000kg boulders, or flicks pebbles like a snipershot, is capable controlling even sand, iron, steel and mud, being able to bury people alive before they even notice a quake
Only people with talent can do that. Most benders are shit while the average firebender can be human flamethrower with almost no training.

Always funny how people go on and on about this show, when it's just Samurai Jack level slop. The entire point of the series is Aang becoming a man and killing the fire lord. Instead of doing that, the show introduces a deux ex machina level asspull at the 11th hour so he can maintain his retarded innocence because 'oh no we can't show anyone dying in a children's show!'.

This is exceedingly comical because the art style draws obvious comparisons to anime, where characters die constantly, because somehow Japanese kids can handle Detective Conan investigating a new murder every week, but western kids can't handle the protagonist of a show killing the bad guy at the end.

The girls are hot, that's about the only nice thing I can say about the show. Couldn't be made today, they'd all be fat and disabled.

>>712622672
They were a classic example of two sides that needed to clash in order to get the best out of each other.
I'm curious how dragon prince would have turned out if it was made alongside korra, though. That studio got utterly fucked by drinking the current year koolaid.

>>712611315
So does most cartoon and even anime. The pastel colored horse cartoon didn't have a single good game or movie despite its status, for example.

>>712623010
>the show introduces a deux ex machina level asspull at the 11th hour so he can maintain his retarded innocence because 'oh no we can't show anyone dying in a children's show!'.
valid criticism, but the show is more about the journey than the final destination, even if energy bending is something of an asspull, it's one blemish on an otherwise very well done show, and there are so many memorable scenarios that make this show larger than life. I never watched samurai jack but I doubt it's as grandiose of an experience (not necessarily bad)

>>712622856
All I see is that dimartino and konetzko were hacks and that the ehaszes and o Bryan carried them

>>712615752
>but don't monks also live in celibacy and stay away from mundane cravings
Unlike in real world, the monks in avatar still need to breed as they are their own nation and race and can't rely on another nation's orphan or incel to replenish their number.

>>712623010
They would never make disabled avatar girls, dude
That's crazy talk

>>712606438 (OP)
>train an army of fire benders
>more efficient than just waiting for a talented earth bender, water, and air benders
>only need to look out for Avatar Jesus once in a while.

>>712606438 (OP)
>fire is the strongest
>it's also the element most enemies have the best resistance against, except those weak to it

>>712623161
>the show is more about the journey than the final destination
There's a case to be made there but it also raises the issue of the end of the journey becoming the hero resisting the final destination as much as he can whilst every other character has to try to drag him to the finish line

>>712623161
I didn't find the journey very compelling. There's one decent moment in the whole show, and that's Iroh being sad about his dead son. The rest is just "we have to move the plot along!" writing with a host of characters nobody really remembers.

>>712612360
This.

>>712623335
That's ice
Resisted by every single undead

>>712607536
why do they all look the same?

>>712623397
There was supposed to be another season but they had to crunch the plot since Nickelodeon rejected it

Get a load of this /co/ thread on /v/ that isn't even pretending to be about video games.

>>712606828
Because it often gets pigeonholed into being the defense element.

>>712623452
This was back when racially homogenous societies were allowed to be shown

>burn effect
>damage over time
>poison effect
>damage over time
There's no fucking different between fire & poison
Every fucking time

>this element is the strongest
>is your primarily damage dealer
>One enemy is outright immune to this specific element
Because of that one faggot, I always carry a sword or have another element in any game I play as a mage.

>>712615761
It's amazing how they can create a 10/10 design and give her an annoying personality while simultaneously butchering the lore.
>Remember when lightning bending require high level of focus on finesse or else you kill yourself?
>Guess what? It's a wagie level bending now
>Remember when all of the kingdoms and towns have fantastical scenery and architecture straight from fantasy novel?
>Fuck you, most of our series will take place on 1920's Manhattan now
It's weird how they tried to put more diversity in the series and it ended up looking bland. There's no reason republic city has to be New York complete with democratic system and a president to top it off.

>>712623471
SEX

>>712607184
Good thing you didn't make the show otherwise it will be broken. Also bending require energy, most waterbenders can only control a water bottle amount of water.

>>712623548
Lightning redirection required finesse and focus or you'd kill yourself
Lightning bending just required a cool head and an understanding of yin and yang energies, until the last Agni Kai when it didn't anymore.

>>712623521
Fire in my system doesn’t just deal damage to health but everything. Fire must consume to exist so it burns through the victim’s stamina/mana pool as well.

>>712623548
>It's weird how they tried to put more diversity in the series and it ended up looking bland
It's not weird, that's literally what modern "diversity" is.

>>712616029
Causing harm to others for personal benefit is evil. He killed the corrupt ruler of the Earth kingdom with no plan for what came next. The Kingdom descended into total chaos and destruction immediately and he just left it to burn. He indirectly created the next Villain, Kuvira. Zaheer only cared about his own personal moral satisfaction and basically and ironically had his head in the clouds, divorced from reality.

>>712622207
>industrialised
Because it contrast with their nature as free spirited and materially detached monks anon. It's the harder element to learn unlike fire where the requirement is for the user to rage.

>>712606438 (OP)
>game has incest as a mechanic
why is this so rare?

>>712623778
Why is that water tribe boy wearing a skirt?

>>712622493
need more forced yuri atla girls

>>712623857
The other four like to pin him down and have their way with him.

>>712608560
>they're WAY more deadly than they're depicted.
you missed the point
>you can touch air, water, and earth
>you can't touch fire or your flesh peels off and you're cooked to a crisp
it's just like sharp vs blunt weapons
>you can strike people with enough force to crack their skull open and make them fall unconscious, but in fiction they're just 'taps in the head'
>you can't so much as graze anyone with a blade lest they bleed, so all swordsmen just kick, throw barrels, or pummel others with the hilt of the sword

>>712622672
Avatar is a clear example of what happens to a franchise when you milk it past its natural conclusion. They should've just moved on and created something else

>>712608098
>didn't end up with Toph
For shame.

>>712622672
>fluke
each episode of avatar cost over a million to produce (about 5 times what an episode of naruto cost). they poured a fuckton of money on it

>>712623684
>until the last Agni Kai when it didn't anymore.
Only azula can use lightning wantonly and she is explicitly mentioned as one of the strongest firebender alive besides ozai and iroh. It can't be compared in the case of Korra where it is used by minimum wage losers.

>>712624016
Disagree, the setting is fun and they could have done plenty with it. Even if they just milked it for very mediocre uninspired content that's entirely different from getting absolute SHIT like Korra and the comics.

>>712624057
>Toph becomes a giga whore cop, and then crazy swamp lady
Who wrote this shit?

>>712615761
No. Watch Last Airbender then forget anything ever happened after.

>>712606438 (OP)
>>712606709
Made for anal

>>712615921
Only if you don't think about his "plan" for more than ten seconds.

>>712608098
Done dirty by the live action show
HAD to make him totally inept and cucked

>>712624156
>the great divide cost a million to make
grim...

>>712624194
His plan is CHAOS

>>712609657
>Sozin's Comet empowers a fire bender's power 100 times
>it only appears once every 100 years
Dunno what other celestial bodies could be used to strengthen air and earth.

>>712607536
Korra is the hottest but a total retard

>>712623778
He was a force of nature, A BEING OF NON BEING

>>712623548
American Liberal idea of Diversity is literally everything turning into NYC/LA

>>712606438 (OP)
you telling me fire benders get lightning AND FLIGHT?

and they FUCKING JOBB???

>>712624160
I'm not saying it didn't get worse but they did already break their own rules about lightning bending. Azula being strong shouldn't override the fundamental nature of how lightningbending operates, it's like if Aang was deemed powerful enough to learn earthbending without letting go of his airbender mentality of evading all dangers instead of steadfastly facing them.

>>712623010
Japanese kids kill themselves if they don't get into college kek

>>712624192
Azula is a virgin except for her mouth.

>>712624016
>>712624161
The problem is that the sequels systematically destroyed the setting built up in ATLA.

>>712624246
Do you think if someone actually asked him why he thinks his plan would actually make the world better, he'd have just given up when he realised how fucking stupid it was?

>>712624257
>earth
earthquakes, asteroids
>air
fighting co2 pollution

>>712624016

>>712606438 (OP)
>fire with extra dot damage
>ice with slow debuff
>lightning with crowd control

>>712608212
They do. Zuko gets his firebending back during the dragon tribe thing. It was a plot point that most firebenders lose their bending during a solar eclipse too.

>>712624374
He'd probably say some mumble jumble to sound distant

>>712624314
>you telling me fire benders get lightning AND FLIGHT?
theres like 4 firebenders in the entire series who could use lightning and fly, one of which was a fucking avatar

>>712624418
>most
Every single one of them

>>712607184
Retard

>>712624342
She'll bite your dick off

>>712624161
That Forklift is the most advanced piece of technology in the franchise, and this comic is set nearly a hundred years before Legend of Korra. Even the Giant Robot in LoK was just metal benders moving it with their bending.

>>712606438 (OP)
Was the Earth Kingdom the Booba region?

>>712609229
Isn't it also partially genetic?

>>712624387
lightning with chain AOE effect.
electricity causing people to dance on the spot without a continuous current is just a meme.

>>712624592
It's because they eat dogs

>>712606438 (OP)
>strongest boss in the game
>dies in act 1

>>712624650
there was no reason for this nigga to be as powerful as he was

>>712623758
Left never happens and nationalism doesn't work.

>>712624650
realistically speaking could anyone beat him?

>>712624709
Some people are just build differently.

>>712624595
The only correlation that could suggest that is that 3 relatives are shown capable of it

>>712615921
The villains in Korra are better but that's its few redeeming qualities.

>>712624650
>weakest element in the early/mid game
>becomes strongest in the endgame

>>712624757
Go ice fishin'

>>712624781
No, I mean, the talent to bend at all.

>>712624650
water was too fucking broken with this guy

>>712606438 (OP)
>Fire benders can throw fire
>Water benders can't drain your body of water
>air benders can't rob your breath
>earth benders dont bury you alive
lame

>>712624650
>villain so strong
>writer makes him kill himself

>>712624757
amon is unironically a freak of nature, easily the strongest bender in the verse

>>712624257
water has the moon and eclipses
>>712624376
>air
storms and zyklon b

>>712606438 (OP)
avatar porn is so goated bros

>>712606438 (OP)
it's actually laughable that the fire nation were able to take over the world when fire is objectivley the weakest element of the bunch

>>712625054
To be fair, they were also a industrialized super power going up against a otherwise medieval setting.

>>712625054
The fire nation undergoing an industrial revolution hard carried them.

>>712625054
They wiped out the Air Nomads with a surprise attack, and then tried and failed to take the North Water Tribe and the Earth Kingdom for 100 years in a row

>>712625054
if we are talking about masters of bending, yeah fire is the weakest but the average fire bender is beating the shit out of the average rock chucker and water splasher, fire is just easy to get the hang of, fucking aang learned aoe attacks within the first day of training

>>712625054
metaphor for japanese industrilization

>>712625054
They used comet-based hyper steroids to take down some dirty hippies and then for the next hundred years they only managed to smack around half the world's eskimos and some of the less important Earth Kingdom towns

>>712624650
i genuinley think aang can't beat this dude

>>712625306
Why not? He beat his dad who used the same combat abilities.

>>712606663
because realistically if you get hit in the face with a fireball you are going to suffer horrific injuries if not outright die, hence it gets toned down significantly. An ice ball, or a rock, or a gust of wind, you can downplay.

That and its natural weakness is one of the most common elements on the face of the planet

>>712624650
they fucked him up so hard. instead of
>check out this cool and mysterious character whose intriguing past justifies his villainy
it's just
>check out this stealth bloodbender who doesn't even really have the convictions he espouses
>he's just butthurt at the avatar cuz lmao whatever water tribe politics + muh brother
gaaaaaaay shit, they should've made him a rock lee type character, but evil. you know rock lee, from naruto, right? rock lee was shit at ninjutsu, but he let his strength at taijutsu carry him and even though he loses he still has the determination to carry on and be the best taijutsu motherfucker there is.

they could have made amon this normal ass kid, whose parents were killed by benders (ninjutsu) at the turn of the century, the transition period between war and peace times, which led him to a life of travelling the realm, where he saw at every turn the horrors of the misuse of bending, which led him to git gud at being a physical only martial artist (taijutsu), whose clever and charisma brought him a following, and he ultimately went on to develop an anti-bending pro-humanist cult, and learn through a secret rite how to block bending. the pieces were all there but they fucked it up so hard.

>>712609657
Water gets a free multiplier on a full moon, though it's not as strong
and >>712612994 is also right, Air and Earth don't get free multipliers but they also don't get turned off

>>712625054
>when fire is objectivley the weakest element of the bun

>>712625436
They were only greenlit for 1 season so they had to asspull an ending like they did with Aang

>>712625054
>Air has a bunch of monks in 4 temples across the world
>Water has a few thousand people in the poles
>Earth is massive but fractured and backwards
>Fire has a powerful centralized state and industry
Industry and a powerful state beats pretty much anything

>>712606945
Hey retard there is an episode where Katara is shown how to do exactly that by someone who turns out to be a blood bender, problem is that there actually needs to be enough moisture present in the air to draw a non-negligible amount of of water

>>712625054
it's less because of their bending power and more because fire is a form of pure energy and they hit an industrial age way before anyone else partially because of that

>>712606438 (OP)
>fire does damage over time
>lighting stuns
>cold slows
>earth doesn't even exist most of the time, and when it does is limited to earthquakes, physical attacks by chucking rocks, or generic defense/armor increase
How come that across thousands upon thousands of games, there are still so few examples of elemental damage/magic being used creatively?

>>712625383
You are misrembering the show, and i don't blame you for that cause it's shit but Amon was far more advance than his father, he was a psychic bloodbender, meaning he doesn't have to move his body at all or even use his eyes to controll his bloodbending, also you can't bloodbend him and he doesn't need a full moon

>>712625436
>Muh cult leader isn't deep
Welcome to cults

>>712625054
Fire is the easiest element to master and made lethal. Most water bender can barely control enough water with enough speed to kill people. Same with earth bender, most earth bender can't control heavier stone nor they can throw it fast enough to be lethal. Meanwhile average fire nation conscript can burn other benders by simply wave their hand and scream.

>>712625383
amon didn't need to use his hands to bend or a moon

>>712625383
yakon doesn't come close to amon, amon was a prodigy among prodigies, he was a one in a million type of bender and even that might be underselling it

>>712625690
That's what Yakone could do

>>712607184
how do you think a waterjet works? it's a powerful, concentrated expulsion of water, water benders already attack by expelling water at people, if they could do it at waterjet levels, they would be doing it

>>712625197
what are you talking about?
the earth kingdom is more than its capital, the fire nation spread out far through its territory.
the southern water tribe was basically already under its control and they almost crushed the nothern water tribe.
They were pretty close to winning it all and just stalled for both the solar eclipse to pass and Sozin's comet to arrive.

Though its not very clear what they did for most of the 100 years, maybe the war didn't escalate right after wiping the airbenders. I'm not sure if it was explained why they targeted them first, other then to show off how evil they are.
Maybe air bender can make someone suffocate from a distance or something that worried them, despite being pacifists.

>>712625574
>needs a once in a century natural phenomenon to do anything of that scale
>all its good for is going full scorched earth like a retard for no reason instead of anything actually useful

>>712625693
yeah but cult leaders irl aren't villains in some storybook narrative, they're just retarded. introducing a character and pulling shit out of your ass because of whatever stupid ass excuse is a gigantic sin of writing. maybe >>712625590 is right and they had constraints, but that's hardly an excuse to write a shit character.

then again, the main problem is the entire premise of korra. aang's story worked so well because of the framing; you had an overarching goal, but you also had life on a day to day basis, which was shown in each episode, as the kids traveled the world in pursuit of their goals. making korra the superhero of some city, in which she is stationary in that setting for most of the show was a huge mistake, but then I can't see how they would have come up with anything better. maybe they shouldn't have even had a sequel if they were going to half ass it.

water mogs

>>712624650
>>712625436
he literally only lost to korra because she was so shit at learning that she didn't yet know airbending enough for him to take it away from her, such a bullshit way to beat the villain

>>712625054
Also, aside from them just being the most advanced, fire is by far the most deadly element relative to its skill floor. The average fire nation soldier that can throw a fireball already has the means to outright kill or maim someone in one unlucky shot, and they don't have to have their element on-hand unlike everyone else that isn't an airbender, on top of fire being an environmental hazard and being capable of spreading out of control with one ignition. It's like giving someone a loaded gun without a safety.

>>712625436
The funniest shit about Amon is that the writers realized they made him be too right, so they had to scramble to somehow make him wrong, by dialing up his cartoonish evil, making him kill himself, and then never again addressing any of the completely valid and real points his movement raised.

>Be fire bender
>Fall asleep
>Accidentally light house on fire

>>712625881
Good, bloodbending permanently removing people's bending was already bullshit as it was

>>712625809
nah, it was confirmed yakone still needed to move his limbs and hands a bit and had a harder time and needed many years to get that aoe bloodbend shit down, amon had that mastered in his teens

>>712625923
How was he right about anything?

>>712607536
>water tribes live in the coldest areas with the least sunlight
>have the darkest skin

>fire nation lives on the equator and operates with fucking fire
>they're mostly pale white

>>712626017
um, communism is le good

>>712625965
I would hope that Amon could learn it faster considering he had someone to teach it to him instead of figuring it out

>>712623950
For me its Katara cumswapping Toph

>>712624650
>hey let's shit all over established worldbuilding premises because we need a powerful OC donutsteel
>so basically he's born with the power to ignore any and all rules of bending
fuck right off

>>712606438 (OP)
>lightning is the strongest because nothing resists it

>>712624650
they had to make him hilariously overpowered because up against the fucking Avatar you kind of have to be and Korra had to be a drooling retard, if she'd been capable of using the Avatar State at any point that they'd met she would've fucking annihilated him

In fact Korra being a drooling retard is literally the only reason any of the villains managed to get their plans past stage one, by all accounts she should've been mopping the floor with everyone

>>712625621
>>Earth is massive but fractured and backwards
Earth kingdom has the biggest and most beautiful city out of all of them. Ba sing se actually looks liveable compared to fire nation volcanic towns that look like a hellscape.

>>712626164
rock

>>712626065
>Eskimos live in places with low sunlight IRL
>wtf how do they have brown/tan skin

>>712626017
they established early on that bending can be used for crime in republic city; I'm sure if you squint really hard and tilt your head you can see various other ways it can be used to commit acts of terrorism against an otherwise peaceful population. there is a point to be had about how bending for the sake of personal profit or other insidious motives might make the world a shitty place; hell the fire nation's imperialism is a testament to this sentiment, all they had to do was contextualize this problem for their new setting. instead? it falls flat on its face.

>>712624757
unless you're the Avatar or another freak of nature waterbending/bloodbending prodigy, no
being able to bloodbend with no motion and no full moon is disgustingly strong and they only let him be capable of that because the Avatar is a walking asspull

>>712626082
its called snowballing, sweet summer child

>>712625809
>That's what Yakone could do
not on the same level, Tarrlok confirms that he and Amon surpassed Yakone but Amon was on a different level, could blood bend multiple living things without even moving a finger or tilting his head or even looking in your general direction in his teens. Aang could only beat Amon if he goes avatar state to break out of the hold and immediatley kills Amon on the spot, because ieven f he restrains him Amon, he could still instantly regain control of his bodyand hypothetically just stop his heart if he needed to, or just take aangs bending away

>>712626017
That there absolutely is a two class society with privileged super wizards and normies, with the former discriminating against the latter. Bending was seen as such a powerful weapon, and such a privilege, that our hero Korra didn't return the bending of criminals in the aftermath, which basically indirectly proves Amon's point that benders consider normies to be "lesser".

>>712625574
Everything regarding the sozin comet doesn't count. It only come every 100 year compared to waterbender powerboost during full moon.

>>712625923
how was he right though? never at any point did they show people ever being under oppression by benders. Unless you mean his real reason for leading the rebellion which was even faker and even gayer

>>712625306
>i genuinley think aang can't beat this dude
His avatar state will bail him out.

lol wait Amon doesn't need a full moon? i don't remember that

>>712626251
Bending CAN be used for crime however it IS used to power the entire city and make it so that non-benders can live in the kind of comfort they do. He was a moron.

>>712609021
I dislike that in these sorts of discussions, Azula just gets reduced to her breakdown in the last season, which happened under very specific circumstances for a relatively small amount of time. 99% of the time Azula is composed, rational, ambitious, and competent. The only reason she lost is because she was so far off her usual game. Just don't overload her with the responsibilities of a fucking fire lord, and she's fine.

>>712626065
>coldest areas with the least sunlight
Thing is when those areas DO get sunlight they get fucking blasted with it. Sunlight reflecting off the snow sucks ass. Look at any photo of an inuit and unless it's some housewife that literally never leaves the igloo, they'll have a tan.

>>712626347
yeah but the bail out only works once, aang used his to instantly restrain yakone but amon would have no problem still bloodbending aang if he was in the same circumstance his father was in with the rock coffin move aang likes to do

>>712626017
It's the X-Men problem, a legitimately superior race of people that are just human + powers can extremely easily just dominate the non-powered humans, "muh ingenuity and genius" is cope because you could just as easily have someone be a genius and a bender, it completely destroys any chance of an even playing field in certain respects

>>712606438 (OP)
I'm a simple man and fire is my favorite element. It appeals to something primordial inside me.

>>712626152
yeah but he was steve blum and had a cool outfit

>>712626353
he didn't need a full moon and he didn't even need to actually move, it was literally psychic and if he was capable of that then he should've easily been able to just waterbend without moving at all

>>712626292
>with the former discriminating against the latter
Which is not a widespread issue. The best argument they had for it was that only one non-bender got to be on the council overseeing the city when there were 4 benders and that ignored that they had one of each kind of bender together with one non-bender.

>>712626251
>>712626292
they live in an age of no understanding of forensics or camera recording technology, if it weren't crime by bending, it'd be by firearm or knife

>>712626384
right but, in a well written show, that sort of messaging would have been something the good benders would have used as a defense for their abilities, and there would have been some nuance about the responsibility any one individual bender has in choosing how and when to use their powers. even korra is shown early on using her power recklessly to defeat those triad gangsters; are her actions - which resulted in property damage and lost sales - justified, or crude vigilantism?

>>712626395
She would still be a fucking horrible girlfriend though.

>>712606663
I hate JJK, but it's one of the few animated stories I can think of that give fire and lightning powers their due.

>>712626282
No, that's gay

>>712606663
>gets blown out by wind or deprived of oxygen
>gets smothered by earth
>gets put out by water
Firebenders were put into a losing game. Marginalizing the other elements was a good move

>>712626516
>he should've easily been able to just waterbend without moving at all
didn't he technically waterbend when he was unconcious from drowning?

>>712626502
that's true and he did have a cool factor to him before they revealed what his actual deal was, i'll give you that

>>712626017
its not even about whether he was right, but the whole movement was basically
equality = good
and have the avatar gang fight against that

>>712626395
>Azula just gets reduced to her breakdown in the last season, which happened under very specific circumstances for a relatively small amount of time
But it's also her truest self. That barely together, paranoid mess is who she is. She controls her "friends" through fear, her confidence comes from her political and bending power, and her ability to manipulate people (again, fear), and she's so desperate to win daddy's approval that when she's not allowed to go with him on his big genocide world tour, she throws a tantrum, even though he trusted her enough to make her Firelord. Her upbringing in the vipers nest of the court has made her very aware of what happens to people who aren't sufficiently feared and respected, and her breakdown is who she is when nobody's afraid of her and she believes she doesn't have daddy's full backing anymore. A paranoid, terrified mess who just lost all her coping mechanisms.

>>712626580
he woke up and did motion waterbending out of reflex

>>712626289
>just stop his heart if he needed to
Avatar state hax could probably prevent that
>just take aangs bending away
Same as above + didn't he need physical contact to take away bending?

>>712624650
>weakest boss in the game
>final boss

>>712626639
No it's about whether he was right, that's why I responded to the claim that the writers made him be too right

>>712623548
I think my fav was when they started shoving motherfucking hijabi wearing bitches in background crowds in a universe where no Earthly religions ever existed.

>>712626651
Why did he ever form that as a reflex?

>game has an elemental rock-paper-scissor mechanic
>light and darkness elements shit all over the rest while being neutral to each other

>>712626451
>X-Men problem
the concept is called transhumanism faggot (i.e. people who step outside the boundary of humanity). the solution is either to either eliminate them or join them. it's literally how evolution works: the best adapted survive, the worse off perish. of course the ones perishing could be the mutants if their powers cause social order to collapse and they end up maiming and killing each other over trivialities
anyway x-men is a pathetic attempt at covering the sun with a finger

killing off the previous Avatars as a nerf in season 2 was one of the most retarded decisions they ever made, that and doubling down on spirit shit

spirits and the spirit world were far more interesting when they were a separate, mysterious thing that not everyone was aware of and it had a lot of significance when someone went into the spirit world, same with just giving everyone shit like lightningbending

Do we have any hopes for the new series with the new twin earthbender avatars?
Apparently it's a post apocalyptic setting because Korra fucked up and the spirits nuked the world or something.

>>712624853
>>Water benders can't drain your body of water
Hama was implied to do it to people. Obviously they can't show it on a kids cartoon.
>>air benders can't rob your breath
Monk gyatso kills the firebenders surrounding with this method, that's why none of them have any injury on their corpses
>>earth benders dont bury you alive
Iroh got captured by earth bender bandits by kind of burying him

>>712626770
you should see digimon then. light and dark are super-effective against each other but neutral to the rest

>>712626656
>Avatar state hax could probably prevent that
yeah you are probably right
>didn't he need physical contact to take away bending?

yeah but i imagine as soon as aang restrains him amon would just puppeteer him again and make him release him then he just walks up to aang and boops him on the nose

if blooddending doesn't work on the avatar state period then amon has no chance, but i don't think that''s the case, i think the avatar state more just resets the avatar's current condition, like a max heal and debuff cleanse when transforming, not a permanent immunity to it, but i dunno

>>712622672
The best thing to come out of ATLA is Four Elements Trainer.

>>712626757
I mean if you wake up and instantly realize you're suddenly drowning in the thing you can control with your hands your first instinct would probably also be "I need to go up and breathe and move all this shit away from me"

>>712624757
The explosion guy can beat him as long as he keep his distance. The moment Amon got close, it's over.

>>712626834
>twin earthbender avatars
>twin
no. get out. they've raped this series beyond recognition, it already happened with korra, and this is just the final nail in the coffin. the only valid entry in this series is ATLA, and it's older than some posters here.

>>712626675
i still don't get here or why korra struggled so much with her

>>712626770
A game I've been playing has that going on except dark shits on the basic elements, light shits on dark and then just nothing, light is untouchable nothing can shit on it

>>712626675
kuvira from a purely power scaling lens was fucking garbage

>>712606438 (OP)
If anything Earth is the strongest with maybe Air as its equal. MAYBE.
Then it's a giant gap and Water > Fire, if you take unique bendings into account it's Fire >>>>> Water though, because lightning can be done by anyone (and apparently magma too in SHITra) even if stuff like mind bending fire isn't as good as blood bending (which is either retardedly restricted or exceedingly rarer than everything else).

>>712626785
explicitly said x-men because it's a really poor example, you can't have "equality" between mutants and humans when a teenager can randomly sneeze and nuke a town, it's just taken to a far greater extreme there than in something like Avatar on a regular basis

>>712624650
this scene was the best thing in the entire scene.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr1o3OWiEE0&ab_channel=JamesMcNamara
absolute kino

>>712626923
amon's bloodbending has crazy range but i guess it depends if we are talking down the block or across a valley range

>>712626914
But he spent his life not needing to use his hands to control it so why does he use them reflexively

>>712627015
>the nigga is also impervious to the very thing that gives him strength

the nigga is impervious to the very thing that gives him strength

>>712624650
>He can just ignore the most important rule of blood bending because we said so
He is fucking retarded and a red sign of lore rape that was about to come in later seasons. All his mystique and coolness factors goes out of the window the moment they revealed him as a superduper blood bender with the most confusing motives.

>>712626675
They basically had to do the equivalent of nerfing Goku by giving him some random heart virus.

>>712626675
what was his her thing again? she can bend metal really good?

This shit is so gay, lmao

>>712624650
>the only reason korra won is because she was so incredibly stupid and useless it affected amon's plan against her
i don't think that was their writing intention but that's what it works out to be

>>712607184
Water jets aren't sharp just because it's water (though you can probably still dismember people with it), it's that sharp because you put stuff like sand, metal and whatever else in it and it grinds whatever's in the way with the water as the vehicle.
Granted water benders could probably do that too but I doubt they got the energy for that kind of display.

>>712627109
tbf they felt justified in raping the lore for a one time villain because they didn't think they'd make a season 2

>>712627043
to be fair he might not actually need to, rewatching the scene where he bends himself out of the water he just sort of spins up in a waterspout which exaggerates the actual movement involved

>>712627092
kek

GIANT

TURTLES

>>712626941
From what I've seen, it's because Kuvira edged Korra's futa cock relentlessly, which proved a difficult strategy to overcome

>>712624595
>>712624839
Yes and no.
For example the Katara could waterbend but her Sokka can't.
Genetics only get you so far, the rest is just pure luck, like how Azula was just that goated that she could just make blue flames and some people are born with unique bendings.

>>712626675
>>weakest boss in the game
>>final boss
tbf sometimes it works for the story

Azula <3

>>712624650
Giving him cliche backstory like having his normie parent getting extorted and later implied to be killed by bender mafia before he goes on a revenge quest by training all the martial art that exist and learning about human anatomy to disable bender's power would have make for a better and more coherent character. He should be an evil batman and guy Fawkes combined.

>>712624650
think of all the rape you could do

>>712627109
Frankly, the bullshit started at the end of AtLA. The Lion Turtle/Spirit Bending was a giant mistake that completely undermined the moral conflict of the finale, and provided a neat and clean last minute asspull solution to what could've been an interesting debacle.

>>712627319
>Zuko didn't fuck this
Was he secretly gay?

>>712627015
>korra season 1
What went so wrong?

>>712627269
how do people feel about the lion turtle shit
because in ATLA it already felt like an asspull just so Aang didn't have to kill Ozai

>>712627319
worship azula
devote your life to azula
anything for azula
anything for azula

>>712627335
eh i kind of liked him being a fraud tho not the way they did it in the show

>>712627349
umm it's his sister and she was mean to him..

serious lack of Azula ITT

>>712627319
Why are crazy evil women so hot?

>>712626697
the claim was that they accidentally might him right
other already said this, benders are privileged and people were getting pissed of benders shenanigans. The whole police force is benders and history made up multiple wars and conflict just among different kinds of benders.
You could also make the comparison that removing someone's bending power is like taking away their gun but also their association with their 'royal bloodline'.

>>712627345
i knew someone would bring up rape when talking about bloodbending

>>712627412
Counterpoint: She's literally the hottest girl in the world.

>>712608098
I wish they gave him more cool scenes, whenever there were super serious fights he never seemed to have any highlights, or maybe I got selective memory.
Like with Combustion man for example, Aang, Katara and Toph immediately locked in and saved the entire team but if that guy was there he'd just be standing there hiding behind rocks.

>>712626743
Wasn't that the comic?

>>712608098
I wish they gave him more cool scenes, whenever there were super serious fights he never seemed to have any highlights, or maybe I got selective memory.
Like with Combustion man for example, Aang, Katara and Toph immediately locked in and saved the entire team but if that guy was there in the middle of the fight he'd just be standing there hiding behind rocks.

zuko...

>>712627456
if I remember correctly it was the boomerang that spelled the end of combustion man, knocked him in the head with it, when he next tried to use his abilities he blew himself up. I could also be misremembering though.

>>712627445
*made him right

>>712627445
So Amon and his movement are on roughly the same side as "useless fat pieces of shit and women should be allowed to join the police" in our world then.
How is he right about anything?

she's 14 btw

logically this should be a way stronger power than it's shown being, they really shouldn't have introduced the ability to blow people up with your mind with what's basically an invisible mortar

>>712624650
>>712626675
>best boss in the game
>is right about everything
>"beat" him before the last act
>helps you to beat the final boss

>>712627574
So prime breeding age

>>712623161
Go watch samurai jack.

>>712624650
>>strongest boss in the game
>>dies in act 1
kek

>>712627574
legal age in the middle ages

>>712627571
the point of bringing it up is that the show could have done more to explore these themes instead of the shenanigans they pulled with his character. as a real world analogy, and whether you like it or not, there are concerns regarding the proliferation and accessibility of firearms among a civilian population. however you feel about it, the pros and cons can be sufficiently explored and nuances can be posited for audience consideration. only shit writers take a side. look at fallout new vegas; it's the kind of game whose various factions and philosophies can be discussed ad nauseam, which is a hallmark of good writing.

>>712627353
I honestly prefer it over the kill route, it would've obviously worked much better if energybending was set up properly (like they discover some book about it in the library where they found the illustration of the lion turtle).
Aang killing Ozai would've been more logical but the emotional payoff wouldn't have been as good. The writers messed up by kicking the "how to defeat the firelord" can down the road until it was too late.

>>712627616
>Make the coolest character design with the most badass power (long range explosion > lightning bending)
>Kills him in one episode
Dude was so wasted.

>>712627571
you can be for or against equality, but you know that the mainstream opinion is for equality.
That's why I said its more about the Avatar party being wrong. Korra completely failed to argue against that movements, benders (including her) were just afraid that someone took away their toys.

>>712627745
What the show could have done doesn't really matter because they didn't do that. I want to know how Amon WAS right, not how better writers could have changed it so that he would be right

My hot wife Katara!

>>712627574
>Ty Lee in the beach episode
I legitimately think they forgot the characters are supposed to be in their early teens during that episode

>>712627886
>Korra completely failed to argue against that movement
And that's the worst part. The movement raised some valid points, there was a definite pro-bender bias, and benders had such a monopoly on violence that equality with non-benders is pretty much impossible to achieve without some equalizing factor (hence the faction name). And the writers realized this, so they just focused on how bad and evil Amon is, really cranking up the irredeemable asshole angle, so the heroes could beat him up without ever addressing the underlying issues that caused his movement to pick up momentum and grow as large as it did, and then those issues were quietly ignored forever.

>>712624650
>second boss in the game
>drops the game

>>712627865
He was in like 4 episodes and his final episode was near the end of the last season

The only thing that bothered me in the whole show was that the Avatar objectively does not need to master all 4 elements in order to defeat the adversary of that era. Just blowing some extra strong avatar wind or one of the other elements amplified to extreme levels seems to do the job every time.

What the fuck was his problem

>>712628049
Kek true

>>712628252
Generally speaking, it's not really the Avatar's duty to go around beating up supervillains. It's to serve as the bridge between the nations and to the spirit world, which is achieved by the avatar immersing themselves in all of them. AtLA makes a big deal of how each element is harnessed by thinking in certain ways, and tapping into the philosophy of the people using it. Aang struggles with earthbending primarily because he struggles to get into the mindset of an earthbender.
Mastering the four elements is really just a way to become a native of the four nations, to fully understand the way they think, and thus serve as a catalyst for balance between them.

>>712628312
Cucked by his own son

>>712607536
The one with the stick is very cute.

>>712628312
Second prince, developed issues regarding being number 1

>>712628312
no azula puss

>>712628414
Mastering the elements also serves to strengthen the Avatar state for future generations should it be needed

>>712606438 (OP)

build for Aang

>>712628492
Bull
Shit

>>712628312
It's simple really

>>712606438 (OP)
>no multi classing unless you pick the multi class class

i fucking love ty-lee porn so fucking much. i NEED a GF like ty-lee bros....

>>712628963
I need a Mai GF. I want her to act disgusted and insult me for being a pervert, but then still give me a footjob while scoffing about how she doesn't even know why the hell she's indulging me.

>>712627839
Yeah more build up about a mysterious 5th type of bending throughout the series would have been good. The way the lion turtle just shows up in the finale might as well be on the same level as going "Ozai returned to his home planet and didn't die on the way"

>>712606438 (OP)
>game has eIemental damage
>fire is not the strongest
>But the strongest spell/attack is still animated in such a way that it is obviously a fire spell, it just deals "Non-Elemental" Damage for ??? reason.
>It might even have a fire relevant name.

>>712627895
>want to know how Amon WAS right
ok, well the point of bringing up the bad writing is to emphasize that questions like this have no answer, because amon was poorly written to be another mustache twirling antagonist who has no motivation or convictions beyond petty revenge against the avatar. there's nothing to discuss, because he had no beliefs, he's just the son of a crime lord who was slighted by the avatar, who posed as a revolutionary to goad the avatar into exposing herself so he could strike her while she's down, and when that failed he got unceremoniously wiped off the face of the earth.

it'd be like asking if ellie/abby from TLOU2 are "right or wrong" about whatever they do, which misses the point entirely, which is that endless killing and retaliating in a perpetual cycle of violence is pointless and solves nothing. amon is kid zuko without the character development.

>>712610680
I like the idea of light magic in Warhammer, where it expunged darkness. It'll burn the dark part of your soul and you better hope you have enough left to survive by the end of it. Also lasers

>>712629414
So how did the writers make him be too right if not only was he not right but the questions now have no real answer at all. It was claimed that he was right yet nothing about his philosophy is right.

>>712624757
Ozai legitimately could
the speed at which he can just blast someone with lighting is enough that not even Amon could realistically stop him

>>712629641
I think what other people were saying is that there's a more interesting direction the story could have went - the examination of how bending could be abused against non-benders, which extrapolated on creates problems for society at large - but it didn't, and amon's story inparticular left those questions unaddressed.

>>712629641
Have you read the thread, anon? Inequality between benders and non-benders has been brought and explained up several times. And keep in mind that every single equalist was unaware of Amon's bad writing, so they joined up, studied anti-bender martial arts, and made the movement as big and effective as it was, because they believed in its merit. Even accounting for a portion of pure opportunists, that alone proves that Amon must've had a point.

>>712610183
this is more a problem with how fire is really characterized, in traditional alchemy it was treated as a lot more of a lifegiving element since it fuels the entire art of chemistry for its warmth-giving properties and ability to create chemical change. if you view the sun as part of fire in the four elements, it's just as important as the others if not moreso, no life on earth could really exist without it. this is why any rpg that has a fire-themed healing class is based as fuck

>>712629785
It's been brought up and explained and it's always been wrong. Benders are objectively better than non-benders and for that very reason every single non-bender in Republic City stands on the shoulders of the benders who make keeping the city running possible.

>>712630065
I see, you have read the thread, and just don't understand how having a class of citizens with a monopoly on violence, industry, and thus opportunity is bad, got it.

>>712626941
Korra basically got a perma-debuff due mercury poisoning anon, even when "recovered" she got fucked for life.

>>712627143
Good Metalbending (Not the best), Spirit powered Schwerer Gustav (Later strapped on a Mech), being driven enough to not balk when her husband is taken hostage. She basically would been a non-issue if not for the circumstances set up by the previous villain group.

>>712630058
I’d prefer a game where different magic schools were treated as entirely separate classes rather than just “mage”
So you could have a pyromancer who specs into destruction, buffing, etc…

>>712626904
Yes but I'm still mad that he gave Toph boobs

>>712630065
>Benders are objectively better than non-benders
While this is true the series isn't written in a way that takes this into account. Amon would've been right if the bender vs non-bender dynamics would've been written realistically but then we'd have something closer to pic related.

>>712630196
They don't have a monopoly on any of that but either way it can just as easily be flipped to question why non-benders should even be allowed to live there if they're incapable of contributing to the systems that keep everything afloat and are just a bunch of freeloaders. I really don't see how anyone could argue that benders have a monopoly on industry and opportunity when the richest and most powerful leaders of industry in the world are non-benders.

>>712627528
Yeah I also vaguely remember it happening that way but it didn't really feel cool at all was my point.
Meanwhile when they got ambushed the first time it went somewhere like
>Toph hears him and wakes everyone up
>Aang immediately stops the first shot
>Toph immediately counters with a giant attack
>Katara follows up with a giant attack
>Aang blocks another shot
>Sokka stands there looking at the ground
Then again maybe it's my shonenbrain, I definitely need to rewatch the show at some point.

>>712630342
oyakodon was the best ending though

>>712630412
>the richest and most powerful leaders of industry in the world are non-benders
And in the sentence immediately preceding that you were admitting that it takes benders to keep everything afloat while non-benders are just mooching off their betters. It's kind of funny how you're spouting pro-bender propaganda without a shred of irony or understanding why you're proving the equalists' point.

>>712630241
I agree, I love the idea of a "wizard" who does a little bit of everything from a cultural/ideological perspective of balance, order and a general wide field of knowledge, and then specialists of other elements who perhaps treat it more like reverence of a specific element of the world or of magic and become more like it, like a pyromancer being impulsive and passionate, a hydromancer being creative and adaptive, etc.

>>712630402
If all the non-benders had had their abilities intentionally stripped away in order to force them into being a class of all slaves then yeah maybe Amon would have a point.

>>712612360
why the brother you fag

>>712606945
>Why can fire benders channel lightning anyways?
real answer: because it's cool
answer that kinda makes sense as long as you don't think about it too hard: fire benders are actually just plasma benders, it's why only the really good ones can control lightning
>Why can't water benders control water that's in the air?
they can, Hama taught Katara how to

>>712630638
twink death on that indian is gonna be brutal.

>>712623241
too bad its full of exactly that now

>>712607664
>when aang and gang were in the desert katara got water from the sky
Aang* got water from a cloud

>>712630561
I said that it would be just as easy to claim that about the non-benders, it would be stupid to do so but it's on the same level as Amon's rhetoric so why not ignore any that are helpful to society?
Republic City could not function without benders, that's a fact. Anybody could have made it to the top and become wildly rich, it just so happens that it was some non-benders who did it. Where is the horrible classism keeping them from getting any opportunities there? Oh right, it doesn't exist.

>>712630876
That reminds me Aang and Katara used their bending to manipulate clouds to trick that psychic, too

Can we agree?

Earth = Yellow
Wind = Green
Water = Blue
Ice = Cyan
Fire = Red
Lightning = Purple

>>712608098
Sokka was the goat
>brave, usually tried to fight anyone despite no bending
>genius combat strategist and inventor
>suave ladies man

>>712625843
they targeted the air nomads to kill the avatar

>>712608916
strapless seems dangerous for a blind girl of her size

>>712628671
>evil for the sake of evil villain
>has the best writing out of all of them
Games for this feel?

>>712631162
Earth brown wind kinda opaque white as though meant to convey total transparency but needs to be visible to show effects

>>712606945
They can, dipshit

>>712624236
>HAD to make him totally inept and cucked
he was a totally inept loser in the OG show, at least at the beginning. He was actually more immediately competent than he was at the beginning of the series. The issue is that they gimped his entire character arc so instead of becoming stronger by learning to value people (i.e. women) and properly becoming the leader he always wanted to be, he's just stronger and still second fiddle to the real combatants

>>712630981
all we're saying is that the show would've been better had these points been explored and addressed. it's sad because amon is introduced as someone who might be the centrifugal force that pushes these issues to the forefront, but then turns out to be just another asshole looking for revenge. we're on the same page about that at least, right?

>>712631184
>and inventor
this aspect is something that is WAY too overstated. He's a good idea man, but that's it. He "invented" exactly 2 things the entire series. A hatch to release hot air from a hot air balloon, which is cool I agree, but it's not like he actually invented the hot air balloon. In fact, I don't think he even invented the hatch, just the idea for it, but it's been awhile so I might be wrong. And other than that, he came up with an idea for a water-bender powered submarine. Not knocking him for having good ingenuity, just saying he had no technical know-how to do any of this

How do earthbenders not literally steamroll everything? They have the most sub-bendings that are also super strong, earth is everywhere, and most importantly that can basically trap almost anyone in earth by building walls around them or sinking them into the ground because the average person should not realistically be able to penetrate solid rock

>>712631619
Not really, Amon turning out to be a charlatan doesn't change that the issues he raises aren't issues at all that would need pushing to the forefront in the first place. I'm not saying that he's wrong because of hypocrisy I'm saying he's wrong because he's just wrong.

>>712631847
too busy motorboating joo dee

>>712625923
>amon was right
Amon was never right. There was (IIRC) 2 instances where I'd say non-benders were oppressed.
1) Korra threatens to attack the equalist dude talking shit in the park because she didn't like what he had to say (that's Korra for you)
2) the police force impose lockdowns and curfews for non-benders due to the equalists
And that second one shouldn't even count since that only happened as a response to the equalists, who obviously oppose the oppression that was already happening.
All the "oppression" was off screen. That being said, they were pretty heavy handed in suggested the organized crime was the oppression, but that was never really expanded on because that's fucking retarded and under no circumstance is organized crime a kind of systemic oppression, especially since the people fighting the crime were the police force who were overwhelmingly benders.
Amon was a tard who used fear mongering

>>712631637
He invented artificially added scents to gas to make leaks more apparent

Why did the show reveal waterbenders can directly pull water from humid air and then never use it again

>>712632123
why didn't batman just use his bat credit card to bribe the joker

>>712632123
There's really not that much water in the air

>>712632123
Did you not pay attention? It's extremely inefficient and demanding. It's much easier to just have water on you.

>>712631975
Anon that's not an invention, just a really good idea.
Sokka is an extremely intelligent character, retarded meme antics aside, he just isn't some genius inventor.

>>712632123
They're very rarely around enough humidity to be worth it and drawing water out of stuff isn't that easy for most benders

why didn't waterbenders ever milk bend?

>>712631847
plus their most BASIC move is hurling a 2000 pound rock at your fucking head
Earthbending is lethal on a good day

>>712631847
Probably Politics.

The "Earth Kingdom" is pretty splintered in practice so the Fire nation has been able to slowly take them one chunk at the time over the 100 years, the issue is that the clincher of the Fire Nations plan is getting Air Supremacy and burn everything from the air.

Keep in mind Azula basically conquered Ba Sing Se by rolling a Nat 20 on a Speech check, not by outfighting their elite Earthbenders, and that is not going in on how badly shit splinters in Korra when the Earth Queen dies.

>>712631882
so you're saying you can't imagine a world in which these problems existed? the point is that amon's story had a set up with no payoff, partly because he was written poorly but also because the show didn't have the balls to explore the issues it implied exist, by trying to lean on them for the paper thin worldbuilding and character development they lent to amon as a character.

>>712631847
Yeah earthbending should be insanely OP but it doesn't really play out that way in the show.

I always kind of had this headcanon that earthbending weakened the material that was being bent. Like if you manipulated a hunk of pure granite into some shape then by the end of it it would have the durability of tightly packed sand. Which honestly would still be really overpowered but if an earthbender encased you in it then you could realistically get out in some way. And of course they could always just sink you into the ground but no one ever did that.

>>712632326
I could imagine a world in which they exist and I would need to because the world presented to me by the show did not have those issues

>>712609096
Earthbending and it really isn't close. One of the reasons why the earth kingdom was so delusional was because they thought the fire king wasn't shit. Water and fire are only really good at one time of the year/day/event, and air is too complex.

>>712632326
>so you're saying you don't believe these issues exist just because it was never explored and we never saw them and no one ever mentioned an example of it and it was also the central plot for the entire season??
Yeah, pretty much
not that anon btw you're just kinda being retarded

>>712622161
>burn scales with character level
>it scales linearly
>enemies scale exponentially
lol

>>712632230
they soup bended a couple times, closest we got. Pretty sure one of the soups was pretty white, might have had a milk or cream base.

>>712623758
The right should have ended with him having the samurai sword for accuracy

>>712629381
Flare from Final Fantasy. This stuck out to me as well.

>>712632424
>>712632435
the show implies these problems exist, because the equalists as a group exist, who advocate for a world in which they no longer exist (albeit through extreme means). you can't have a group like the equalists without first giving them something to stand for or against, even if you want to argue they're batshit crazy.

>>712632627
And then the show shows that the problems do not exist

>>712608369
explain

>>712632698

>>712632627
>the show implies these problems exist
and we are never shown them
and no one gives examples of it happening besides the protest scene, which only happens after the mass militarization of the Equalists
Of which, the AVATAR saves them from, who is the figurehead for Bending Privilege.
You can't just claim Amon was right because they said it's happening. If they don't show it happened and no one talks about it happening and no character was oppressed, I'm just going to assume Amon was an ego maniac who was ying and blowing shit out of proportion to gain control of stupid impressionable non-benders, which is much more in line with what actually happened. You want to claim Amon is a ruthlessly intelligent and dangerous person? Sure. You want to claim he was right about fucking anything? No sir

So was the Southern Water Tribe that one tiny little village or was it a collection of settlements scattered around the South Pole

>>712615038

>>712632884
collection of settlements is closer to the truth, but through Avatar Extras and supplementary material we learn that it's more like scattered settlements with the existence of proper townships and shit we're just never shown.

>>712632879
part of writing a better show would have been taking the time to legitimize and/or disregard the equalists' mission statement by giving the audience a glimpse of the world outside of their perception of it. the point is that they failed to do that either way, and opted to instead avoid addressing whatever concerns the group had all together.

>>712633030
yeah you can't just rest of the laurels of the show writers being retarded to justify how he was right.
>no no he was totally correct because he says so, it's just those darn writers haha
No, he was incorrect and we have no reason to believe that non-benders were oppressed, besides the fact they claimed to be.
You're correct in that people who aren't retards would have and should have explored this, but they didn't, and that isn't evidence that it's happening in the background and is unexplored, it's just evidence that the writers suck. The only proper extrapolation of the show is that Amon is a manipulative faggot, not that there is some secret oppression that's happening that proves him right. Even if there were, if it was so fucking down low that no one can prove it or give examples, then it's not a big enough deal to overthrow Republic City for

>>712610680
what is wind then?

>>712631847
>Soil
>Mud
>Rock
>Sand
>Magma
>Metal
>Minerals (Gemstones, etc)
>Clay
Earth is one of my favorite elements in a game because of how much you can do with it. I also like that Pokemon broke Earth into three types.

>>712606709
Because of course people find it coolest so most enemies will be resistant to it to balance gameplay.

>>712633232
>it's just evidence that the writers suck
right, that's the point I've been making. again, amon wasn't "right" or "wrong" about anything because he had no convictions. his is a simple story of revenge that gets very quickly wrapped up because the writing was weak and it's a shame.

>>712633478
>amon wasn't "right"
wasn't the original post that started the whole shebang either you or someone you're arguing on the side of claiming Amon was "writers made him too right?"

>>712633478
>amon wasn't "right" or "wrong" about anything
That's a strange stance to take in a conversation about finding out why he was supposedly so right

>>712633565
>>712633595
semantics, whoever said that was clearly making the point that there existed people in the world who believed enough in amon's alleged messaging, which on its own implies some validity to the concerns of the group as a whole. they're clearly not explored in the show, which is part of pointing out why the writing is shit. the group itself has no depth, as you've been saying. your whole point was
>we've never seen this alleged conflict between benders and non benders, so it doesn't exist
yeah, no shit, but you've never seen the opposite, either. you can just write off the entire group as batshit crazy, but that's never any more established than the opposite, that their concerns are legitimate.

>>712633782
We've not just never seen the conflict, we have seen evidence contrary to their claims of being an underclass.

>>712624650
Do you actually think he would beat the Giant Dark Avatar Kaiju?

>>712633952
no we have not. for every example you bring up, there are equally valid interpretations for why bending is a catastrophic and irresponsible ability to allow to go unchecked. a stupid ass example from the first series is the cabbage cart guy. the recurring gag is that because of the group's exploits his cabbage stand is repeatedly destroyed. isn't damage to public property funny? isn't it hilarious to watch a small business owner suffer catastrophic loss because of the misuse of magical abilities at the hands of some mutant kids? for an example in korra - the triple triad exists and wreaks havoc on the population, muscling shopkeepers to pay "protection money" as extortion, and they do this explicitly through the use of their bending; and it was already pointed out that korra's actions in fighting against them could be interpreted as vigilantism gone amok.

so what do you have that shows the contrary? that the city runs on bending? not all of it. maybe some sectors of industry, that much is certain, but how is that a point in your favor? how does that dismiss the concerns of bending being used irresponsibly?

>>712634209
Just use his famous energybending on it

>>712634423
>not all of it
yeah all of it one of the big complaints people had for that shite was that lightning became wagie tier because it powers the city

>>712633782
>semantics
actually it was the core point of the argument
>whoever said that was clearly making the point that there existed people in the world who believed enough in amon's alleged messaging, which on its own implies some validity to the concerns of the group as a whole
>clearly
lol
Also, no it doesn't. All it implies is that he convinced people. This is a weird hill to die on considering we have 1000 different people claiming to be oppressed with no fucking proof in the real world.
>yeah, no shit, but you've never seen the opposite, either.
Yes we have.
Team Avatar is entirely built of benders and all their allies besides Asami are benders, and defend the world. Sato Industries and Varrick Industries are some of the most affluent businesses in the world, meaning non-benders aren't just shut out, the public security sector is almost entirely composed of benders, Republic City is the most diverse and advanced nation on the planet except Zaofu, and it is kept running almost entirely on the backs of benders, and even the entertainment is made from benders in the form of Pro Bending, which as an aside they try and paint as a bad thing since non-benders can't play but that'd be like me complaining I can't get into the NBA since I'm not a legal giant. Biological differences aren't oppression.
Every facet of a non-benders life is held up and propagated on the backs of benders. So not only have we not seen or heard any specifics about any oppression of non-benders, every part of the shows world building shows us the exact opposite and that benders are a complete net positive to all societies.

>>712634423
>the misuse of magical abilities at the hands of some mutant kids?
their powers aren't (usually) misused, the cabbage cart is usually destroyed by villains or by the gaang and they're running away from villains (and it's important that they get away so they can save the planet)
and the cabbage merchant becomes a billionaire magnate so I think he can get over it
>organized crime
Still not oppression, that's be like saying New York was oppressed by Italians in the 40's because of the mob. Besides it's doubly retarded, because who saves the non-benders from the evil gangs? The avatar and the police. Who are benders.
>But korra stopping them was vigilantism
So the people supporting the equalists and seeing the gangs going around hurting and extorting people don't support Korra because she operates outside of the law? That's a retarded argument even for you
>bending isn't used responsibly
Yeah, sometimes it's not, but it's also used to make almost everything run, so good with the bad here. Still doesn't give any points whatsoever to bending oppression

>>712634710
I'm not dying on any hill, and I acknowledge the points you've made about bending being a net positive for society. on top of that, you're right in saying that life in republic city appears to be prosperous, all of that is supposed to suggest that there's no validity at all to the equalists objectives and they're all just a bunch of crazy cultists? I shouldn't have to point out as a rebuttal that a veneer of prosperity can exist alongside a darker and more sinister side of the city's seedy underbelly. that's the point in showing nuance, no? are you saying that the city is perfect without any crime whatsoever? well the show establishes that that's wrong. are you saying that there are no people at all in the city who harbor feelings of "bending supremacy" against filthy subhuman non-benders? we just don't know.

I don't think anyone's saying there is some ironclad oppressive regime of benders ruling over the poor and pathetic non-benders like a nazi germany equivalent or some shit, on a governmental level. just that social/political tensions between the groups could potentially exist in this world. why wouldn't they, if amon's sentiment is so readily adopted by some rather not-insignificant portion of the population? because everyone's a cultist, right?

>>712634446
Didn't save him against Korra. If he can't beat Korra then he can't beat the Giant Dark Spirit Kaiju. Even Korra had to become a powered up Kaiju to fight it. Also I'm pretty sure he'd be too big for him to effect, he'd probably be able to bend one of their legs or an army at best, assuming it even works on a spiritual being who might not even have blood anymore.

>>712606663
This is also in real life, I can not find many videos of real fire just burning stuff, especially longer ones. Probably too traumatic, and too easy to encourage pyromaniacs. They're all over the place in movies though.

I never finished Korra because 1st season dropped the ball with Amon but I heard she gets tortured later so maybe it's worth just to see the bitch suffering.

>>712635451
>I shouldn't have to point out as a rebuttal that a veneer of prosperity can exist alongside a darker and more sinister side of the city's seedy underbelly
well, when we're not shown any real dark presence of, even through Bolin and Mako who are members of said underbelly, and the darkest shit you have are organized crime that benders are actively trying to stop + the equalists themselves, then yes, I would disregard basically everything he says.
>you say it's perfect with no crime?
not only did I not say or suggest that, I said the exact opposite, only that all this "non-bender oppression" is being fought almost exclusively by benders for non-bending benefit.
>are you saying that there are no people at all in the city who harbor feelings of "bending supremacy" against filthy subhuman non-benders? we just don't know.
There absolutely are, but for an entire movement to come out and try and basically cripple an entire classification of people, it needs to be much less fringe and more systemic or else they all come off as fucking psychos, which is exactly what happened. Some random dude on the street calling you a faggot isn't oppression. If it's not happening from some position of actual power, and we've been show very clearly it's not, then it's not oppression.
>I don't think anyone's saying there is some ironclad oppressive regime of benders ruling over the poor and pathetic non-benders
Amon did, literally the point of his entire organization
>tensions MIGHT exist
SURE, but the only tension we're ever shown is just them freaking out about it. This is the only point where dogshit writing is a passable excuse. But considering how little we see of it and how we never see any of it past playful jabs amongst friends in the entire first series, I don't think being mean to non-benders is a very culturally significant issue