This is an RTS thread.
Post about strategy games which are real-time. Discuss why 3D is shit and 2D is better.

>>712626765 (OP)
The advantage of isometrics is using images instead of clunky 3d models. You can get nice detail to a structure that isn't possible with blocky models.

Red Alert 2 Remastered

>>712627876
Never ever.

why does no one discuss zero k?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/334920/ZeroK/

how do they manage to make rts games feel fresh?

>>712626765 (OP)
It always seemed weird to me that in RTS games you could order 1 guy to attack an entire army or base. Most humans wouldn't dare throw their lives away like that.
Do any RTS games incorporate a fear mechanic?

What's the modern equivalent to Defcon?

>>712628079

Is Broken Arrow good? Releases next week and it looks interesting.

>>712628079
Cossacks games feature a morale system. At least I remember Cossacks 2 having it. Having a unit's formation break sends them running back to the barracks.

>>712626765 (OP)
Anyone else disappointed that the new civ in AoM was another spinoff Chinese civ?

>>712628249
I had to look up the context for that as you're too lazy for that. It's a Gay Ben interview where he wants people to justify whether something being more realistic is more fun.
It adds some tactical depth and that's what strategy games should be about.

>>712627876
No.

Tiberian Sun Remastered.

>>712628063
Looks like a SupCom clone (boring game where you stare at a map and shapes instead of cool action).

>>712628642
Can't even tell if baiting or just retarded.

>>712628642
No, my issue is which one I love more; Egyptian or Japanese.

>>712628642
It's not out yet, so how can we judge it?

>>712628653
>It adds some tactical depth
So does throwing cheapo units in the enemy's path to buy time.

Play C&C mods.

>>712628816
Japanese "mythology" is derivative from Chinese, Korean and other Asian mythologies.

>>712628913
Well I think it's worth exploring.

>>712628642
All the western Pantheons are covered what else do you expect them to do?

I full expect India DLC at some point as well.

>>712628642
I do. I was hoping for Aztecs or Hindu.

>>712628079
not really an rts but total war games kind of do this. auto-routing units also can come back. furthermore, u have to consider their stamina and experience in a battle (e.g. a battered unit will be less effective than a fresh unit, even if they have the same numbers)
company of heroes kind of does this with the suppression mechanic and some units have sarcastic lines of dialogue if u order them to attack tanks if they only have rifles

>>712629076
>The derivative is better than the original
Many such cases.

>>712628896
You can judge it by looking at the myth units. Chinese was shit because almost all the MUs were quadrapedal animals. Japanese might be better since they already said it has tengu, shinigami, the wheel of fire from nioh and again a dragon.

>command and conquer
>starcraft
>total annihilation
Faggot games that killed rts because boomer groomers refuse to make or play anything that aren't copies of these and then wonder why the genre's dead

>>712629120
Aztec, Celtics, even civs like Babylonian would have been better (considering how atlanteans were a thing)

>>712627876
Why? You already have this game

>>712629094
What would be the value in that sort of system? Wouldn't the first engagement in any round decide the whole thing, because the guy left with the greater force is now just auto-panicking the numerically inferior forces of the opponent? What new avenues of strategy would such a system open up? Off the top of my head, you're already losing standard stall tactics of throwing a trickle of cheap bulk units into the meat grinder, as well as harassment tactics of sending individual fast units to attack workers/buildings, because they're too scurred now. What do you get in return?

>>712629075
dta and mental omega are kino

>>712628850
Egyptian civ is SOVL

>>712629421
I think it could do away with some of the micro management. I'd rather have more focus on macro mangement and early harassment could go away to some extent if singular units were too scared to engage

>>712626765 (OP)
most RTS were shit, at least against AI.
because the enemy just blatantly cheats and spam units

>>712629623
>rts are dead
>we will never see learning neural net opponents

>>712629241
E-sports killed the genre. Nothing else.

>>712629685
I liked RTS where the enemy can't cheat by spamming units.
For example the Sudden Strike series.

Although there are games like Knights and Merchants where the AI is just so superior in numbers that it gets retarded. Where you get one HQ building and 10 soldiers and the enemy has 5 big bases and 1800 units at game start.

>>712628097
Defcon. There is nothing to "modernize"

>>712629685
>>we will never see learning neural net
Just two more weeks my retarded frognigger homosexual

>>712629685
StarCraft 2 has some AI players, AlphaStar I think it's called. Don't know if they're still on the leaderboards.

>>712628642
Was really hoping for something Mesoamerican. Still, they did a good job with the chinks so I'm looking forward to see how long it'll take me to reinstall Battle Realms.

>>712626765 (OP)
Just played 4 hours as the HRE in KoH2. I don't get why the game got the hate it got, its an improvement on the first one in all aspects except soundtrack

>random map generator where you can set the % amount of mountains, water, forests, etc.
>over 30 different AI personalities/profiles
>lots of different hostile neutral units with roaming patrols and lairs with random rewards when destroyed

Kohan is peak comfy RTS for AI skirmishes and exploration gameplay. The 3D sequel has better AI but worse gameplay because of having fixed settlement points and a more limited random map generator.

>>712630957
>Kohan
I really liked Axis & Allies from the same devs

>>712630781
I think the visuals are extremely ugly. The first one is ageless. I do think the gameplay is better, but it really looks unappealing as fuck. As for the music, the original had music composed by the same guy who worked on Baldur's Gate 3 so it was kinda inevitable that KoH2 would have ass music if he wasn't involved.

>>712629213
you should post one

Red Alert 2 and Dawn of War is all you need.

>>712628097
ICBM

Knight of Honor is super underrated, I'm glad I discovered this game on /v/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6pXNfLXQ5s
>Teleporting troops arriving in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

I heard the Age of Mythology remake supports controller, has anyone here tried it? I'm almost tempted to get it just to see how it works.

>>712632581
I've seen players use it in multiplayer. They said it has profiles which let you automate eco entirely. It's like aim assist but for eco micro.

>>712632581
it's 1-to-1 with console version

>>712632519
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Iae8Qs2JU
>Objective 1: Protect the Gladius System units from Soviet attacks.
>Objective 2: Destroy the Soviet bases.

Prostagma?

>>712632519
Mental Omega did a great job in portraying the Combined Arms capability of the Allies.

>>712629094
Not everyone is an expert or talented enough like you to implement something like this.

>>712626765 (OP)
>Discuss why 3D is shit and 2D is better.
Sacrifice is good. Also Populous: The Beginning.

>>712633361
as if that's difficult to implement

>>712633443
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that looks like shid.

>>712626765 (OP)
Is Knights of Honor more like a grand strategy game? On that note, I love Knights of Honor 2. It is the single most addicting game I've ever played.

>>712633361
No but anyone making a game already has the prerequisite knowledge to do ti

>>712633473
Sorry, only now I read this >>712629593
Jesus christ dude... All I could think was, "better a dead genre than made (contaminated) by people like this.". No matter what mechanics you want to implement, a guy who's one click faster than you is going to cuck you while you cry that he is cheating and that the game should promote "real" strategy, you know, MACRO strategy. Stay cucked.

>>712633861
Why so mad? Most people playing Age of Empires don't want to turn it into esports micro hell for example

What are some classic RTS games that aren't on Steam/GoG?

>>712633546
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you have shid taste :)

>>712628642
who... who in the FUCK asked for this shit?

>>712626765 (OP)
I always liked weird sidegrade RTS titles. Like Perimeter, for example.

>terraforming is an active part of the game
>transforming units
>insane transhuman story

We need more RTS with isometric pre-rendered graphics.

>>712635302
uhh the Japanese?

>>712637081
Do the Japs even know AoM exists?

>>712628642
How dares they focus on where the money is.

>>712633052
VULOME

>>712635302
Everyone you dumb rabbit
They are going to expand the roster with more ancient race shit and their pantheons, so expect Aztec Jaguar God and Vishnu beating the shit out of each other soon

>>712628423
Only cossacks 2. 1 and 3 doesn't use morale.

>>712628423
>Cossacks
mah nigga. those fucking campaigns.

>... button
>find in page
>homeworld
>0/0

Homeworld 2 is my favourite come at me. The remaster didn't add anything just ruined the look of the UI, HW3 I've not played but was of course franchise ruining, thanks kikes.

>>712626765 (OP)
cossacks 3 is the best bye

What are other RTS's that have similar old school unit making systems like RA2?
Specifically, you only have one singular queue. Building multiple barracks doesn't have any use beyond changing where they spawn from.

>>712639552
Emperor: Battle for Dune

>>712639552
Didn't having multiple barracks increase the pace that they built?

>>712638262
tell us more about this game you haven't played

>>712639857
Oh apparently they do, I did not know that.

>>712639552
Dark Reign 1

is Company of Heroes 2 really that much worse than the first game? Also how's 3?

>>712640054
>is Company of Heroes 2 really that much worse than the first game?
No, it's actually way far better
>Also how's 3?
Worse than 2

>>712640054
no it's better, except the campaigns

>>712629356
source code is lost

>>712639974
Lol its game changing when you find out

>>712640157
>way
>far
pick one
>>712640173
>except the campaigns
how so? are the missions poorly designed?

>>712637112
maybe not but chinks and gooks love jap slop so they're the target audience.

>>712639889
We waited 20 years and it did so badly that nobody will ever take a chance on the Homeworld name again.

>>712640218
Do you really need the source code to remake from the ground up?

soon brothers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNHMwEOJxoY

>>712640391
it helps significantly

>I AM HERE, WHERE ARE THEY?

recommend rts games with dwarves in it, they are always my favorite faction honestly

>>712628079
One guy in RTS represents a group of soldiers, a battalion or a brigade or something. Don't be dumb.

>>712640634
Lord of the Rings: War of the Rings. It's made by the guys who made Battle Realms. If you played BR, you'll know exactly what to do in War of the Rings.

>>712628079
I like iamgining that every unit is Hanma Yujiro

>>712640238
>how so? are the missions poorly designed?
NTA, the campaign is a Soviet one so it revolves around a psycho commissar bullying a stereotypical non-political army officer. It's really on the nose and drags down the experience, but otherwise the campaign is fine enough.

>>712626765 (OP)
About to play Dawn of War Soulstorm for the first time

I will never forgive the tryhard 1v1 ladderfag chuckfucks Relic left in charge of the balance patches of COH2 after the Brits were released. They ruined a lot of shit for the sake of balancing 1v1s.

They fucking ruined Jaeger Armor. The one fucking Wehr commander that was unchanged from day 1 because it was actually good to begin with and they fucked with it because having recon and dive bomb in the same commander was just too overpowered all of a sudden.

>>712640904
man i have to try the unification mod, played the vanilla version for such a long time. But tw warhammer 3 is taking all of my time rn

You guys seen Era One? Winter's been shillin' it and it does look kinda sorta nice.
Luv' me some mobile, modular, big-ass, bases.

>>712640847
oooh shit, yeah, I remember all the drama on release with the russian people complaining about the stereotypical portrayal of the commissars. Honestly I don't care about that, as long as the gameplay is nice.

>>712640238
>how so?
RTS is a multiplayer genre so every campaign is by default a drawn out tutorial mode

>>712640173
I would disagree partially. Vanilla COH2's campaign is slop but honestly, so were a lot of COH1's missions. The only time the game was difficult was during defence missions where they could swamp you with Tigers or whatever. Any mission where you were on the attack was trivial to cheese with snipers and tanks because the AI's units were largely fixed in place, meaning that if you brought up tanks to fight enemy infantry, absolutely no AT or Tank backup was coming if the level designer didn't put it there, meaning they posed literally 0 threat whatsoever. They also barely ever moved out of their positions meaning you could just snipe or bombard them to death from afar and they'd just stand there.

The best campaign was Ardennes Assault, because the AI was an actual threat and you could actually lose fairly easily if you weren't careful with your units.

>>712641094
It woulda been fine if they toned it down a little but he's just evil for the sake of it. The campaign has some nice setpieces, it's just the stupid drama in between missions that's annoying

How's Deserts of Kharak?

>>712641209
>RTS is a multiplayer genre
Wrong.
More people play the campaigns.
Any RTS that focuses on multiplayer only dies.

>>712640904
The campaign was dogshit in SS.Also 2 new races are worse versions of already existing ones.
>>712641014
>unification mod
The balance is all over the place. I remember playing with a guy that would spam basic T1 inquisition unit with 200 ranged dmg that could win 3v1 vs marine squads.They also add cringe anime shit

>>712641580
Pretty good, actually! The campaign is definitely worth a playthrough. It's the game that initially gave everyone hope about HW3

>>712641641
>The balance is all over the place
more than apocalipse? i never tried that because the "balance" does not exist in that mod, at least in unification theres not so much op shit like apocalipse and you can limit what units the teams can use.

>>712641668
How's the multiplayer?
Are you still unable to play together if one is on steam and the other is on.. wherever else you could buy it.

So... which Warlords Battlecry game is the best?

>>712641628
No, more people play the campaign but an RTS that focuses on the MP survives longer, even with a reduced player base on the campaign players have finished and moved on.

>>712628063
BAR is better

>>712641580
It's well made but stressful to play because of defending resources, like CoH2 and DoW2. Constantly have to pump units out to counter like rock paper scissors, no time to sit back and assemble an army.

we really, REALLY need a sprite based successor to brood war or AOE2 with fat tits to sell to the younger audience.

>>712642495
no. I mean seriously speaking that won't make shit for money. just can't take the /v/ coomer's take on video games seriously

>>712642692
it's the only way forward for RTS. I say this as someone that has played broodwar since 1998.

On a side note, the starship troopers RTS is actually super fun if you guys haven't tried it out. It's more of a puzzle game but if you like the theme you'll put a bunch of hours into it like I did

>>712642003
No idea, sorry, last I heard it was active but small

>>712641896
>more than apocalipse?
Well... Unification isn't trying to be Supreme Commander on DoW engine. While you can't nuke people like in UA you still can make shit like titans. Also Good luck with balancing all the new races. While you have op T1 units in inquisition, you also have dogshit Mechanicus unit's that stop moving if they are 5 feet away from their HQ. There is also Legion of the damned that works like shittier Necrons, you can only recruit ultra slow marines form HQ and if they die you are fucked because it takes forever to make a new one. You either win in 5 minutes or you might as well call gg.

I had more fun figuring out what was the most broken unit combo in UA than Unification.
Tzeentch Baner carriers cooldown reduction used to stack so you could spam high damage aoe storm with your Chaos Sorcerer. I remember making a guy ragequit with that. Too bad UA team shat the bed so hard and had broken installs for 5 version. It's been so long I dont even know if they unfucked it.

>>712628653
So does attacking worker units and production building as an abstraction for attacking a rival nations economy to reduce their capacity for war. "Realism" should be used to enhance the gameplay in ways that make sense to the rest of the games design. It should not just be there for its own sake.

>>712643117
please god no. Just let it die

>>712628079
In pure, classical RTS games, not really. In something like Total War which is turn-based with real-time battles, yes. Your units have a morale / leadership value and if that drops too low the unit routes and runs away from the fight. Being close to overwhelming enemy forces is one of the thing which gives units a leadership penalty.

>>712641896
UA at least knows what it is doing and is generally coherent. Unification is blatantly designed around unit models that the author got his hands on with actual faction design taking a backseat. The Imperial Fists faction the fucker made is my go to example (take a wild guess who my favorite chapter are), they have this schizo mix of both Horus Heresy and Primaris shit just thrown in there and my favorite, 4 fucking relic units one of which is Rogal Dorn.

Its good if you can get some friends to fuck around with and see all the silly shit it has to offer but if you want to seriously play some Dawn of War then I cannot for the life of me recommend it.

>>712633443
>Populous: The Beginning
I wish it had a skirmish mode against the AI

Come to think of it, we need more fantasy RTS games. Warcraft, Spellforce and Warlords: Battlecry isn't enough.

>>712626765 (OP)
>*kills your genre*
pssht! nothin' personnel, kid.

>>712643117
those who like the multiplayer side of RTS, Age of Mythology Retold is the Starcraft Brood War of the Age of Empires games, with the skill level still in the year 2000 era.

It's literally everything <THAT GAME> pretended it was going to be and beyond.

>>712643903
Amazes me how a custom map for WC3 became so popular and turned into what it is today

>>712643817
fantasy rts can have super comfy tilesets when the devs aren't visionless retards.

It's the same for scifi of course, but every RTS always defaults to jungle or grey because it is easier on the eyes. Desert and snow tilesets look so cool but they really hurt to play on after a while

>>712628079
Beyond what was mentioned, back in the 2000s era when RTS games were still churned out and forgotten there were several attempts at fear/morale etc. mechanics and they all just resulted in poor gameplay. It worked in a game like Total War- it just doesn't in a classic RTS. Some elements of realism must sometimes be sacrificed for the feel of a game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W36KtnHv6k

i want your best chokepoint rts that is not company of heroes

>>712641628
Even the spectacle RTS games such as Dawn of War and Company of Heroes relied massively on their multiplayer aspects you dumb asshole. I do not care about the thousands of people dropping an RTS game after one week, you want a strong core of people playing it after launch.

>>712644437
creeper world is absolutely top tier if you don't mind the dated graphics

Why did no one play World in Conflict it was so good

What does /v/ think of Rising Storm? Leaping Tornado? Ascending Hurricane?

>>712640326
Will you wait another year for Era One?

>>712644723
I have heard that it's an alright CNC3 clone but like other modern RTS it just isn't as good as what it is trying to copy..

Chat is this real?

>>712644437
pic rel

>>712644723
I'm waiting until faction #3 gets added in, something about them delaying it rubs me off the wrong way.

Earth 2150 was kino

>>712645034
It amazes me that people are so eager to combine Starship Troopers with the strategy genre.

Never played Age of Empires before, should I start with 1 or the second game made it obsolete?

>>712645218
Eager? There's been, what, 2 RTS games for the IP? I think there's been more shooters than RTS games for it.

>>712645218
i always wanted to play this one but I could never get it working on my pc. The more recent one is a lot of fun

>>712645294
two is pretty much just a straight upgrade of one. It's very close mechanically

>>712640904
It should be noted that SS was not made by the same devs at Relic, who at the time were busy making DoW2. Furthermore is has the "Publisher Touch" of adding in unnecessary new mechanics (in this case Fliers) which made the new factions come in half-baked while introducing tons of new bugs.

>>712626765 (OP)
toughts?
Looks COMFYKINO

>>712645058
>something about them delaying it rubs me off the wrong way.
To be fair the previews look sort of garbage. They're either gonna ruin the game by adding magical demons or they're gonna play it safe and make them some sort of mutated humans who worship the tempest.

>play RTS
>some S or A rank player joins
>they lose
>no gg, "REGAME," they leave the game
>they join
>kick them
>"DUDE WHY SO PUSSY?"
>proceeds to harass me for an hour telling me i'm subhuman trash
lmfao, every fucking time. I love and hate RTS players at the same time

>>712645453
This has been on my to play list for the longest time now. From what I read, the game's actually decent.

>>712645294
They were set in different eras. 1 is Antiquity and 2 started in the Middle Ages.

>>712645453
>toughts
thoughts*

>>712645740
>compschizo whining

>>712645453
>>712645771
Good game. Make sure you are playing Reforced since it made the RTS segments suck less than they were on release and the earlygame before your heroes can clown on armies and bases was suffering.

Both the expansions are great so if you end up like it then grab 'em.

>>712645352
Adding 2 entirely new factions and the usual 1 or 2 new units per factions probably would've been fine. It had the same Risk style campaign but the balance for it was utter shit.

>>712643117
>from the developers who saw StarCraft II

between age of mythology immortals new campaign and tempest rising campaign which one is better

i am in the mood for some comfy single player campaigns from recent times. loved aoe2 campaigns

>>712645740
That is one of the most braindead take I have ever heard about RTS, but given that his argument boils down to:

>There are too many niggers and pajeet and stupid people playing game right now, and RTS will never interest people with an IQ below 80

I choose to believe what he is saying, as it seems, to me at least, solid arguments.

>>712645114
Yeah. So was 2140 tbqh. 2160 didn't live up to them.

>>712626765 (OP)
because 2D had the best games
done
CnC mogs the shit out of any blizzdrone RTS

>>712627876
no source code
remake is best they can do

>>712640634
Warlords Battlecry. Bastards are slow but decked out for siege and break buildings as casually as swatting a fly. Music is also fantastic, and it has a great overworld campaign. Lets you play as dark dwarves (heavily mechanized, build golems) or classic dwarves (strong melee and heavy defense) to your tastes.

>>712640397
I've been looking forward to this for a long time, I hope it actually comes out and is good.

>expansion change the background to a simple jpeg image
anti soul

>>712646729
it reminds me of how much fun I had with KKND

No other game does it like rise of nations. maybe aoe 2 but they dont have the modern era armies

I wish we got great basebuilding rts kino like rise of nations

>>712646832
sorry anon base building is problematic

>>712646825
I never played those back in the day, but they're on my backlog to try out some time.

>>712647064
it honestly might be too old to enjoy at this point, but thematically the first one is great (and hilarious)

>>712628079
SHAMEFUR DISPRAY

>>712626765 (OP)
Just started Age of empires 1 definitive edition. Hoping for fun. I like the water gf, started slow with the Egyptian tutorial, reading the history tab etc. Going for max comfy.

>>712646832
this may be of interest to you anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od13XJ5Nmys

>>712628079
>but what do they eat?
>but where do they shit?
>but where do they sleep?

>>712642186
It's okay to be wrong anon.
Happens to us all sometimes. Just more often when you open your trap.

D.O.R.F looks amazing and I can't wait until it comes out. I never ever care about new releases but this actually looks good.
>kino 2D sprite on isometric background art style
>resources have to be moved from you refiners to production buildings, rather than just bringing minerals to the refiners like C&C or starcraft, so there's logistics involved and efficient base layouts are rewarded. adds more skill to base building
>Deep pathfinding / movement system. Not only are there lots of terrain modifiers but also the vehicles propulsion makes a difference. wheeled vehicles work better on roads, tracked vehicles work better on rough terrain
>actual sense of scale. unlike C&C where infantry are the size of small vehicles and half the size of tanks, there's a huge difference in scale between the small units and large units, and also buildings. there's huge kino derelict buildings and machinery as part of the scenery
https://youtu.be/aNHMwEOJxoY?si=IFMvBXp9xDqD3jKg
https://youtu.be/Qn1Q8lHFc_E?si=4rwT2uLfa9WdN4j9

>>712647272
>an actual update 2 weeks ago
huh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuKfTCT26kU

>>712626765 (OP)
i got loria free on gog, maybe i should try it

>>712647419
Cool will you be buying an ad?

>>712647615
>don't talk about RTS in the RTS thread

>>712647615
>noooo don't talk about an upcoming RTS game in the RTS thread

>>712629164
>Hindu
Do you really want pajeets to flood Microsoft complaining either about blasphemy or about not being unbeatable?

>>712645114

>>712629623
The AI in AOE2 doesn't cheat.

>>712629120
indian mythology is kinda cool though

>>712647615
>gets angry when you talk about games on /v/
seethe, queer
or gb2 your hugbox on somethingawful
whatever makes you kill yourself

>>712645654
its fun

>>712647528
>hashtagging other unrelated popular series into the title itself of the video
Kinda cringe ain't gonna lie
Other than that, the game looks shit. It has some weird piss filter, it looks all washed and crispy at the same time. My eyes hurt just by watching the video. Idk why modern devs fear colour in their games. Look at the original EE, it was a very colourful game

For me, it's Hooligans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ln4vjULjXU

what happened to the RTS community? We used to have lilsusie and smix, and other korean cuties... now it's just autists and trannies...

>>712648309
>It's just autists and trannies

That's basically all video games eventually, sadly.

>>712642495
coom stuff still doesn't make sense in RTS, at least it keeps away one kind of shitposters.
Though imagine a Goblin slayer like porn game where you have to invade villages and abduct/rape all the women

>>712642495
consider
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1761210/The_Touhou_Empires/

>>712642495
oh wait you said sprite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYpEwYwaSCQ

>>712629120
>>712647913
Hindu would never happen because it's an active religion.

This game, which I am very excited for, is launching soon. On Monday, if you preorder it. I played the multiplayer playtests, and shit was pretty fucking baller. They really perfected the Wargame formula.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1604270/Broken_Arrow/

alternatively
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z1-J9M-IGk

>>712647419
I want to hear how the actual factions work though. From my understanding, you have three that correspond to: rugged military tanks, advanced scifi tech, and fast moving partisans, but they haven't done much to demonstrate.

>>712648501
Yes this exists, but I mean a real combination of gacha and hardcore RTS. Maybe something like GF2 where you can mix and match outfits for your units, different skirts, different hairstyles, different guns, etc, as long as it doesn't fuck up the silhouette for quick recognition.

If nothing else, have a "commander" that you only see on the load screen where you can also see the enemy commander, and let us dress her up. You could have commanders with different voice lines etc, similar to how broodwar currently has different announcers (same with SC2). There's a lot of different ways you could monetize it. Then in the lobby screen you could have your commander walking around too, similar to how guilty gear does its multiplayer

Total War 40K announcement in december.

>RTS thread
Obligatory epitaph.

>>712640238
They are poorly designed, but worse, veyr very old. So many multiplayer patches have changed weapon values that a lot of the single player missions are borderline impossible because your weapons aren't capable of dealing with the enemies.

>>712628063
I didn't really like it when it was CA, though I agree with a lot of its mission statements, just wish the improvements it brought to the table were in a more standard TA style game.

>>712648637
You would be surprised. Agony lords of hell is doing a Hindu underworld faction.

>>712628079
Combat Mission does. Your units have morale, and they can be routed which will make them retreat and you lose control of them. The steel division games also have this mechanic though it's not as deep.

>>712648835
no. all anti-multiplayer talk is just sour grapes. an RTS singleplayer takes too much effort to make for a paltry experience compared to all the other single-player games out there across the genres.

it's like saying multiplayer chess is what killed chess- they should have focused on single player chess puzzle content

>>712648731
I also crave more info on the factions. The lead dev runs the youtube account and he replies to comments with more info not in the videos, so some random things I've gathered.
>the high tech guys have mobile walking refineries and buildings. they can just walk their base to new locations rather than rebuilding
>according to a dev's comment they'll also have jump jets on a bunch of troops like the power suits that can jump around
https://youtu.be/Z9Xgrz0Uoz4?si=0je2wv3o82AwILmr
>the empire/industrialist guys have half tracks that transform depending on what you load them with. load them with a mortar and it becomes a mortar truck, load with an anti-tank gun and it becomes and anti-tank half track
https://youtu.be/Z9Xgrz0Uoz4?si=0je2wv3o82AwILmr
>The warband barbarian guys have giant kamikaze scrap balls that roll into your base and destroy everything
>there's also a mutation/psychic power part of the setting and I think the warband faction plays into it the most. Pretty sure they'll get the most "spellcaster" units with psychic powers and stuff
those are just random things I found

>>712649374
Chess' basics are extremely simple to get across and not frustrating at all. Bad comparison.

>>712648835
RTS peaked with the campaigns of AOE, AOM, Warcraft 2, Warcraft 3, Rise of Nations, C&C Generals and Empire Earth
Fuck competitive multiplayer autism, and fuck you for killing the genre.

>>712628079
>Dawn of War has a morale system that causes the units to lose cohesion and overall effectiveness in a fight
>Battlefleet Gothic has that with the added ability of mutinies potentially causing the units to bail from the battle if you don't bring them back in

>>712626765 (OP)
Ah yes, men at arms. The walking loose, the unit that will leave your coffers dry and empty.

Anyone ever play 3v3 New Super on Broodwar in a mode without visioning Your allies?

>>712628642
To me it was kind of obvious that they were going to go Japanese after Chinese. it sound like an obvious one, at least for how popular japanese anything is
Now, if they try to go Korean after this one, that would be kind of lame

>>712648143
I think the issue is the "crispier" look of the game is messing with youtube's compression

>>712649476
Chess is a game where the only times you can innovate is at the very top and very bottom of the ladder in terms of skill.

>>712626765 (OP)
I miss this game like you would not believe. When it was only system vs system it was the platonic ideal of a simple RTS. Hackers added a whole different dimension. Network can go fuck itself though, horrid faction that was bad for the game.

>>712649830
They don't have plans for anymore civs. They've completed their road map and if the game becomes profitable they might consider adding more civs.

How many RTS actually make you feed your troops? In Warrior Kings your troops would starve to 1hp if you run out of food

>>712628079
Total war

>>712649904
Doesn't matter. New players don't get frustrated or overwhelmed picking up chess and have plenty of people to play against.

Is there any hope that the new GOT RTS will be any good?

>>712646814
true that the expansion being an jpeg is kind of lame... but I was of fan of playing Angmar and the troll hero.
so I liked to play Lord of The Rings, Battle For middle Earth 2 Wrath of the witch king
or for Short Lotr:BfMe2:WotWK

>>712650147
it is meant to be a spiritual successor to aoe2

>>712650027
>They've completed their road map and if the game becomes profitable they might consider adding more civs
then lets see if people care for the game. because at this phase, only AoE2 is the profitable one.

>>712650237
with dragons and probably other powers?
dont really sound AoE2 adjacent.

>>712650324
>he thinks AOE2 is profitable
lol

>>712628079
>no mention of samurai warriors
How foolish of me, you all don't play games.

>>712650147
>>712650237
It looks kinda awful. Muddy-ass low-contrast graphics, just like Tempest Rising.

>>712650035
Cossacks and American Conquest come to mind.

>>712648835
>Reddit
Fuck off, the most fun I've had was in WC3 custom game lobbies.

>>712626765 (OP)
been playing they are billions lately. it's fun and different

>>712627876
Won't happen.

>>712649363
>Combat Mission
They're selling a 2008 game that runs in a tiny-ass resolution for $60 with DLC. I want to like it, but I can't.

>>712650389
from an economic perspective

>>712650178
https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-horse-lords-a-total-modification-for-bfme/downloads

>>712645294
No reason to play 1, more so with DE which has all the content of 1 with none of the gameplay jank

>>712648835
>why multiplayer killed RTS
>first point is that multiplayer forces players to face the fact that they are shitters and not strategic masterminds.
it's incredible how the genre touted as a genre for high IQ and intelligent people attracts so many brainlets.

>>712650770
Funny how I own the original CDs, but If I install it in modern hardware, it doesnt work because it thinks is a pirate version.
So now I have to download a pirate version to be able to play the game

>>712628079
Dungeon keeper 2.
Skeletons will be fearless. Your little goblins will refuse to charge solo into a big group of heroes.

>>712651001
this is why we need piracy

>>712650082
yes they do, they just get told to improve or quit
all the anti-multiplayer talk is pure sour grapes. it's not a sound business decision to cater to that fickle bunch of babies when making an RTS game. Give that crowd what they want and they'll just drop you for a phone game.

>>712650865
as someone at a high level in SC1, it regularly blows my mind how stupid other good players are. Like you, I would expect them to be doctors or ppl that are far along in their lives, and there are certainly a few of them. But the vast majority of people who play rts (and ppl who are good at rts) are complete fucking losers that can't apply the skills they learned in the game to real life. I have no idea why, but it seems to be a recurring thing. SC1 takes so much effort to get good at so it is so fucking weird.

>>712633443
>the amount of awesome voice actors in Sacrifice
>the overall charm

Is BFME worth playing if I think LotR is the most generic overhyped garbage on the planet?

>>712650178
>Lord of The Rings, Battle For middle Earth 2 Wrath of the witch king or for Short Lotr:BfMe2:WotWK
Is this the longest title for a western videogame?

>>712651242
>generic
Anon, take a wild guess as to WHY the fuck LOTR is "generic".

>>712629685
AI will save us don't worry. one day we will have real AI opponents

only then will i return to the genre. Not before

^^712626765
LALY. (((o(*°▽°*)o)))
>>712651216
Spaceballs The Super Friends Comic Event!

>>712651242
it depends, how much of a snuff are you with the games you play?
Because just being able to build horse army and run over enemy units.
or make giant trolls and run over horses, that is cool.

>>712651216
They don't get any reward from applying that to anything else.

>>712649335
smite kali got censored because Hindu organizations were pushing that she being naked was wrong
even when she is fucking naked on most art of her.

>>712650741
>planes fly through towers
>pure coincidence goy

>>712652040
that doesn't make sense

>>712651216
success in life has much more to do with social skills outside of highly technical fields like math, where you also see lots of savants that seem completely retarded when dealing with non-math issues.

>>712652625
yeah but... The pure grit that you need to get over yourself and improve in RTS, why not apply that tangentially to fitness, or diet, or studying, or improving social skills, etc etc. No one is born good at rts..

>>712650568
>Muddy-ass low-contrast graphics, jus
i hate zoomers so much. everything doesn't need to be bright purple and green you faggot tranny

>>712628642
they really fumbled on not giving us Aztecs

it's amazing how everyone was universally expecting and being hyped up for them, and it would make all the sense since there aren't really games where they would be represented, and instead the devs are giving us Japanese. That's like giving us Romans when Greeks are already in the game, sure it has it's fans but overall it's nowhere near as unique

>>712652153
yea but RTS games would be too small for them to notice anyway.

>>712652396
Yes it does.

>>712648835
Just go play fucking sim city or tower defense holy shit. No need to ruin somebody else's genre for your failure.

>>712652871
Aztecs are 7th civ obviously. That's why they've gone for Japanese first. Premium Edition owners already got Japanese for just $50. They'll pay another $20 at least for Aztecs. It's business. The player base is making them money.

>>712652760
You'll find several disconcerting voices claim that I exemplify exactly that anomaly.

And now some common sense, "Is everyone in this group done tearing each other down or do I need to show you literal armageddon by way of unused brainwave patterns? Hearsay in the court!"
>>Green Ace Of Hearts

>>712652760
Pretty simple; they want to play RTS games not learn how to manipulate people

>>712645453
I'm shocked no one ever copied Spellforce's specific brand of RPG meets RTS formula. SF3 is apparently a really solid RPG in its own right, or one of the expansions is at least.

>>712653165
There ain't gonna be anymore civs unless the game has consistently more than 10k players (which is improbable)

>>712652760
Their brain doesn't reward them for any of those tasks. Just playing RTS.

>>712637059
Stronghold is great, but combat is very much take it or leave it. I did love sieges, though.

>>712648276
>Hooligans
hard as nails rtt

>>712648835
Not really. It's just that people who wanted things other than MP went to various subgenres and whatnot that catered to them more.

>>712628063
old and graphically dated and it was already a niche game
shame, because it's really good

Warzone 2100 or Z is still my favorites. Shoutouts to the anon who mentioned Emperor: Battle for Dune as well.

whats a good rts game that doesn't require friends or online to be fun. Asking for myself

>>712647615
kill yourself

>>712633443
>>712635124
>that guy working on a modern engine port died

>>712630398
Ancient, and not neural network.
Just old school programmed AI.

>>712653482
if it had 20k players on right now you'd say the same thing about it not having 30k. you're in bitter denial mode about AOMR making them good money. they wouldn't have just sponsored a tournament and announce the 2nd DLC civ to be released within a year of the game's launch if the game wasn't getting significant attention.

>>712654198
any turn-based isometric tactics RPG

>>712654198
Warcraft 3
The base campagin is great, and there are lots and lots of custom maps and campaigns that you mess around with.

>>712654379
Recently? The last update for SacEngine was a month ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdsOvzwY5WM

>>712643117
im surprised this didnt die the second the beta came out. It just felt like shit.

>>712654642
>announce the 2nd DLC civ to be released within a year of the game's launch
the 2nd DLC was planned right before launch. It was a part of the premium edition of the game. The game fails to satisfy even the community play events lol.

I want to play this in the OpenAge engine.

>>712655002
what are you talking about, it did die the second the beta came out lol. I have no idea why operations still continue at that studio, if I was an investor I would be fucking livid that they're just wasting money instead of returning it. There's obviously zero payout coming.

>>712654198
Anything released before 2010, or in the case of remasters, whose base game was released before 2010.

>>712640747
except in the no-build missions in some interior

>>712655336
god i hate those missions.

>>712654903
WHAT
I only knew about a channel that stopped updating years ago
fuck yeah, anon

Why haven't the JAPS made any RTS games?

>>712650237
Game of Thrones RTS?

>>712655481
The most recent video from the channel I sent you is 11 months old so it might be not the best example. But the engine IS getting updates. Too bad it's multiplayer only and you have to join some discord.

>>712655993
War for Westeros, announced last week.

>>712656093
But does 'e wunt eet?

>>712647868
The E2150 games were great.

>>712655984
japs are consolefags. consoles dont play RTS well

>>712648835
>>712645740
As always, the first and foremost reason RTS "died" was because in mid-2000s all the major publishers shifted focus to developing console games with PC becoming secondary and relegated to living off ports.
RTS doesn't work on consoles, there were several attempts and none of them panned out, as a result money dried up for the genre, developers closed down and RTS fans were, for a while, content on surviving off the modding scene many of the older RTS games had developed.

The second problem faced by RTS is that most people don't actually want to play an RTS game.
The core principal of RTS is the collection and management of resources between:
>Building up your base
>Creating combat units
>Investing in research

Many people actually want only one, maybe two of these things and tolerate the rest being there
>Like building bases?
Why not just play a city builder?
>Enjoy combat with units?
Have you heard of Real Time Tactics games?
>Love researching things?
Just play Factorio or some other management game

Third, which might be a minor factor, but still a factor, is that RTS fans aren't nesasarily going to buy and play RTS games.
Some people want specific things, like they want a fantasy setting or a futuristic space setting, or they want big armies or focus on fewer but more detailed units.
I am not particularly fond of games that have only 2 or 3 factions. It's not a deal breaker for me, but I enjoy variety.


>>712655984
Because they're consolebabies

>>712655984
I mean this with the utmost respect, but japs only like low IQ games. they will never ever make RTS or games with complex systems like dwarf fortress or CDDA or roguelikes with complex damage systems and build crafting. they just like 4 niggas in a row selecting ching chong beam from the menu and seeing 9999 damage

>>712643117
I dont hate it specially because game still just in development
a lot can change

>>712643980
age games being the best RTS around? not a surprise

>>712650237
looks pretty nice, though buildings look a bit sameish and I wonder if you can differentiate unit types.

>>712628896
>American reading comprehension

>>712650237
it looks more like age of mythology where you don't have a grid but rather you can "float" buildings and such, also magic

>>712655003
>lol
nope, you don't cut it. go back to LoL

im getting into RTS for the first time, playing AoE 2 and star wars battlegrounds and im having a lot of fun. These games are just so addictive and have such compelling gameplay.

>>712644897
saw it on tv. its real

>>712629075
god this looks so fucking kino

>>712645652
Never happened

>>712628079
My one guy isn't trying to fight their army he is raiding and being annoying destroying economy

>>712628079
RTS are abstract strategy games like chess, but electronic and in real time, what you want is seen in wargames which actually try to simulate what real warfare is like, these games tend to have suppression and morale mechanics, Close Combat series is an example, company of heroes mixes both styles, Wargame by Eugene, Broken arrow, Graviteam tactics.

>>712627876
Zero Hour Remastered

>add unused generals (USA Armour general, GLA Scrap/Junkyard general, China Airforce/Electronic general, General Mohmar "Deathstrike")
>add unused units and the POW system

>>712626765 (OP)
Does Stronghold count? I've been playing the combat campaign and it's a weird mix of comfy as fuck, slow as hell, satisfying and infuriating.

>>712655172
>OpenAge
why not just playing AOE 2?

>>712666936
Because OpenAge isn't just a clone, it's an open-source reimplementation. Eventually they'll support not just AoE2, but AoE1, AoM, and maybe even Empire Earth if the stars align. Plus, moddability is god-tier compared to the original engine. Once it's fully functional, it'll run smoother, support modern resolutions and CPUs better, and won't have all the Microsoft telemetry crap. It’s basically playing AoE2 minus the baggage.

>>712667074
that's a massive if.

>>712628079
Seven Kingdoms had a system like that and I H A T E D it.

>>712629120
>the world is just the west and china

>>712651242
no the game is more overhyped. It does some things different but those things are a more lateral move or even detrimental. The rest of the game is generic and sub-par. BFME fanboys are retarded.

>>712651216
It's because 90s RTS games taught us liberal values and that exploiting people is evil so now we just don't want to use our skills to dominate the world

>>712626765 (OP)
My favorite rts is first company of heroes

>>712666021
All this game needs is the fucking view zoomed out a bit, bigger maps with more resources.

>>712661317
damn starting with the peak wasn't such a good idea

>>712666220
its great. stronghold crusader remaster out soon.

>>712670832
Oh man crusader. I vaguely recall that game being hardcore as hell, at least the combat missions.

>>712653973
Heck yeah anon, excellent taste. Those are 3 of my top RTSes of all time.

Anybody else love comfy village building in Knights and Merchants?

Anyone got any cool spell/ability ideas for units? I'm making a custom map with a Scarlet Crusade faction in mind

C&C scratches a specific itch in my brain that few other games satisfy.

>>712640391
well yeah, the source code dictates everything from how the units move to how the game renders

Piss

>>712642792
There aren't enough unique sprites in RTS to justify a coomer focus.

>>712655984
Herzog Zwei is *technically* an RTS game, even if it is primitive by virtue of its age.

>>712655984
Ys Strategy sucked ass.

>>712628079
stop questioning orders just do as you are told and be ready for new orders if you survive

>>712628642
this looks like one of those mobile ads with the blacked chinese girl that you have to feed milk to to turn white

>>712639857
WTF HOW DID I NEVER KNOW THIS

>>712648483
>oom stuff still doesn't make sense in RTS

>>712677598
u dumb

>>712667074
openage will never happen the way they implemented the project is a disaster

>>712642692
There are so many shitty RTS projects that made no money, they might as well make something good if they are going to set money on fire anyways.

>>712651216
>>712652396
>>712652760
As the other anon said, it's not rewarding.
RTS is fun because you're taking multitasking skills and using them to outsmart your equal, who is fully cognizant of his role as your enemy. You can get as creative as you want. The sky is the limit. You can even innovate and enjoy some time in the limelight when you become the new Phosphoru.
Not so IRL. Fitness/dieting is repetitive, your only enemy is your lack of will, and there's no point where you win. You just passively enjoy the benefits of being physically fit. Kinda nice, but rarely worth pursuing beyond a set point. There's no room for innovation. The secret is just to stretch and exercise as many muscle groups at once as possible. Protein powder, walking a mile a day, and intermittent fasting. There. Solved. Start jogging 3 months in and get a pet for your gym crush to gush over.
Social skills aren't anything like RTS, and the more you understand them, the more you'll hate interacting with other people.
RTS is fun for its own reasons. Real life can't compare.

>>712677759
>OH NO NO NO

>>712670250
you can edit resources via notepad+
start with high credits, supply stash with stupid high supplies

>>712666021
>POW system
fuck no nigger, didn't Act of War teach you anything?

>>712655984
>>712656743
Their games are made to keep people from roping.

>>712656425
If all new FPS games would put 90% of their resources into emulation Counter Strike surf maps the genre would also die. Consoles or not.

>>712649374
>no. all anti-multiplayer talk is just sour grapes.
I'm not going to buy your multiplayer first game and I will laugh at your financial troubles.

>RTS singleplayer takes too much effort to make
That's retarded.

>>712650237
>units visually drown in the background
I don't know.

>>712673982
Can't you play the shit out of the game and make it again? Everything would be made again anyway.

>>712678963
not if you want it to be faithful to the original
a complete remake would be similar but no quite the same

>>712677754
Worst red alert game

>>712677918
>>712651216
Getting good in a competitive RTS means grinding the same shit over and over again until doing basic stuff becomes muscle memory.
It's not about creativity, being a super genius or whatever else retards like to tell themselves to feel good. It's about being numb to the pain of endless repetition.

>>712655984
>>712656381
I think the real reason is that Japan has a very strong focus on characterization and in a RTS game the player is disconnected from the game world and has no identifiable avatar, you command cool units, but you ARE NOT them, you are always the faceless commander, but they have made some interesting games in the genre:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mech_Platoon
This doesn't look like much at a first glance, it's a little miracle that it even works at all, but it has very good mission design for the campaign and an interesting unit building system.

For the DS there are a few entries based on popular RPG franchises that I've played.
Heroes of mana, it basically FFT in real times, even has the sme blocky visual style and grid based movement, it's very charming, but somewhat clunk to control.

Final Fantasy XII - Revenant Wings, this is one of the best games of this style and I unirocanilly wish it could have been ported to the PC using the same 3D models from the CGIs.
The gameplay is less of a classic RTS and more in line with Magic and Mayhem for the PC, if you don't know that, it's a kind of RTT mixed with adventure game, there's no unit building, you control a main hero unit that summons minions using MP, the focus is on army composition and using spells/abilities to support your units.

>>712679032
>Getting good in a competitive RTS means grinding the same shit over and over again until doing basic stuff becomes muscle memory.
You can grind out the controls in an evening. Most players choose not to because they'd have to customize their setup.
>It's not about creativity, being a super genius or whatever else retards like to tell themselves to feel good.
You got filtered early, didn't you?

>>712644738
I will wait as long as it takes. Era One and Falling Frontier are the only reason I check my steam wishlist more than once a month.

>>712644738
>>712680032
>That UI
Do they not have a UI designer, what the fuck is that autistic shit?

>>712681646
Their team is 6 people, so no. It seems like a lot if you don't play much RTS but it's not bad for a development design.

>>712682702
Angelwing... home...

>>712637059
Just one more month before the remaster comes out...

>>712681646
Looks like an MMO UI

>>712655984
Pikmin

>>712683075
I wish customizable modular UIs weren't an abandoned technology.

>>712655984
GrimGrimoire. It's very basic, but the art was amazing.

AoE3 chads how are we holding?

>>712626765 (OP)
I know that this would require data from decades ago but I wonder when was Brood War's absolute peak in player count, I miss those days

>>712628079
literally Company of Heroes

>>712683000
WOOD NEEDED

>>712645034
i hope the territory mode is good.

>>712648654
it looks like it'd be fun, but i only care about infantry and i hear infantry is pretty bad in this game.

>>712685482
It's as good as you'd expect in a wargame, it can hold positions inside towns and forests, but dies out in the open.

>>712686145
i saw a video by an arab where an AT inf unit fired 6 SMAW rockets at a T90 and it still had 1/3rd of it's hp left at close range. i like how WARNO handles infantry more.

It's weird, I feel there are a ton of RTS projects being worked on, yet RTS as a genre is fully in the background of modern gaming

>>712629241
Partially true
I miss the Settlers series

>>712633443
Didn't play it, looks sovl

Today, I will remind them.

>>712641628
This

>still replaying starcraft and warcraft against comps
>always end up building one or two units
>win
i dont mind seeing 150~ marines turtling with supply depot mazes backed up by a couple of wraiths for enemy siege units but damn

>>712626765 (OP)
> 3D is shit and 2D is better.
Wrong.

you know, I'm beginning to think Zero Space might have the right idea with the branching campaign they want to implement.

Literally every single RTS campaign of note has been a linear story, with no player agency on how it actually plays out

>got super into custom maps for WC3:FT
>never get to build or make tier3 or higher units
>barely have enough time to get tier2 upgrades before the map is over

>>712666021
>the POW system
>War Crime Simulator.webp

>>712688552
>Zero Space
Stormgate failed to teach you how to recognize a grift?

>>712626765 (OP)
Thinking in 3D is for men with chest hair. Combat is entirely determined by the laws of nature, where the differences in units are their size, speed, acceleration, rotational speed, projectile speed, fire rate, range, projectile damage, projectile trajectory, projectile acceleration (rockets), and maneuverability (tanks can't strafe and have less tolerance for slopes).

can we have a list of RTS released the last 5 years and how good/bad they were? I'm feeling there has been a trend

>>712628079
OUR MEN ARE RUNNING FROM THE BATTLEFIELD
SHAMFUR DISPRAY

>>712687846
Then play it, it's good.

>>712687894
If the game itself was good enough for the godawful story not to matter I wouldn't care so much, HW2 survived a pretty meh story to have a strong modding community. Something is really missing about HW3's play that I have trouble explaining in simple terms, maybe part of it is how fragile everything is so you spend more attention managing your construction queues than your fleet. The game is literally only kept alive by the hope of modders making cool stuff, and one of the only ones getting real attention is a guy modding HW1 & 2's campaigns into HW3's engine.

The really, really frustrating thing is that Deserts of Kharak is a much better game even though its ground combat, and it too has a servicable at best story behind the campaign. That game seems to have been made as a proof of competency to make a new series of RTS with a similar style, so it's not like they didn't have a team capable of making a good game. People can try to blame the one 'narrative manager" or whatever tumblr-looking woman but the truth is it takes more than that to ruin a game so thoroughly.

This current timeline divergence we live in fucking sucks, and the fact that Shipbreakers as a stand-alone IP like in the initial trailers isn't the game we got is one more tragic reminder of it.

>>712655984
There is that one LoGH game but it isn't translated and you need app locale to actually get past the loading screen.

You know remember this old gem
It's called Swarm Assault

>>712629593
Any military game that removes harrying is getting less realistic though, not more.

>>712641628
Funny how the only alive RTS games are the multiplayer ones then

>>712689921
can't milk a singleplayer campaign forever like you can multiplayer clickgooks

>>712689039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXRJBK8oJSA
Homeworld is buring...

>>712689921
That's not so strange. A singleplayer RTS is one and done, you sell it and that's it. There could be millions of people all over the world playing the C&C campaign but nobody at EA would ever know because they're not online.

>>712689921
I think that's not a fair representation, the back catalogue of good RTS to play is pretty full and most of them are old so they aren't getting coverage for mainstream (re: zoomer) audiences. You just don't hear about hem because, what is there to say about playing Total Annihilation, Battlezone, or Star Trek Armada II that is more than an occasional inclusion about a discussion of RTS in general?

>>712683729

>>712691104
What's interesting about those late 90's and early 2000's RTS games is that they were still very much branching off into different areas as to what you could do in an RTS. WC3 added rpg mechanics with the heros. Total Annihilation said, fuck it pump out as many units as your PC can handle, so on and so forth. Genres today have solidified a little too much that the open ended experimentation isn't as common.

bump

>>712692030
Understandable, game dev in general is a lot more demanding now than it was back in the day, and RTS is probably the most difficult genre to make a game from aside from MMOs. In my opinion there was a unique pipeline that doesn't really exist any more for a lot of early game devs through the 2000's, and that is that they were computer science / programming nerds making games as a hobby, or a passion, and then a business. That kind of background seems to have fostered people who have a knack for unconventional thinking, because you need to be pretty creative and skilled to program your own 3d graphics engine from scratch because you want to make a fully-3d spaceships RTS, but it's 1997 so that's your only option.
I think the indie scene is still a place where cool, unique games are being made, but there's so little money in it for third parties it rarely gets the attention it deserves. There's a hundred other reasons why game dev is the way it is, but in terms of a studio making a new modern RTS, unless they want to cater to a retro market which is smaller than we all think it is, it needs to be a modern game running on a modern graphics engine which means it takes a ton of work to make, which is already a big check for a publisher to write in order to fund the ~4 years it'll take. And then RTS is second only to flight sims in how niche it is so the prospective audience is smaller than usual. Unless you can self-fund it, it's a fucking hard sell and I know that better than most because I used to work at the team in J.P Morgan that was one of the go-to's for dev funding and we had more than a few pitches for interesting RTS games come across that were declined because realistically the expected sales just weren't there, and you don't last as a business if your strategy is gambling on something being the next Minecraft and throwing money at it.

>>712626765 (OP)
I want an RTS with the scope and size of the map similar to 4X games like civ, but without the 4x bullshit like managing estrogen supplies and your units emotional states.

>>712692030
>that they were still very much branching off into different areas as to what you could do in an RTS
Definitely. Pic related was a good experiment but no one followed up on it for example, I wonder if making this game is actually impossible with todays engines as you'd have to create massive urban environments with literally thousands of individual units that you can take direct first person control of.

>>712696294
>most UEsloppa today can barely handle a 100+ units onscreen without shitting a brick with the mandatory gaytracing enabled
Grim

>>712626765 (OP)
Nobody else has mentioned BAR in these threads? are the shills gone?

Anyways i'm one of the shills. BAR is awesome and F2P, and certainly feels like you're stealing from them.

>>712696601
I see it here and there but haven't tried it, perhaps it is time.

>>712696601
>>712696843
Ok this is literally TA, what the fuck? I love this.

>>712696843
Yeah dude
It started as a TA remake to bring it to newer hardware, called Balanced Annihilation, but as time went on it got better and better and was renamed Balanced Annihilation Reloaded, and then it was too obvious they had something cooking so: BAR: Beyond All Reason
I mean still is Total Annihilation, yet so much more, I fucking love this game ever since I discovered it in one of those RTS Youtube channels. It's been already 10 years of development though, but now it is on full force.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq-vKImyKoQ

Deserts of Kharak was a great game and I wish they didn't abandoned it like they did

The MP was fun and almost cooked, but just didn't nailed the player retention

>>712696601
it has no human infantry. mechs are BORING

>>712648835
micro management killed strategy games in general.
look at stellaris. first developed as a space roleplaying game with macromanagement strategy elements. but then the fans kept asking for more and more micromanagement, cause micro managing efficiently is hard but brainless and it made the autists feel good about themselves.
I remember warcraft 3's tutorial being fun and then the first level has a shit ton going on. I finished the game but that jump from tutorial to first level threw me off.
you should be able to capture resource points, and to assign personell to it, and defend it, not having to keep telling your workers what to do after each task is over. they are dozens not a few.
you should be able to order commanders to focus on tasks, to have a certain offensive, defensive or manuevering attitude when approaching a task and watch them rally soldiers under their command, not to autistically keep selecting ten units at a time and telling each group to do exactly what. you are supposed to be their figurative brain, not their actual brain.
this is due to technical limitations back in the 90s and 2000s. rts genre devs should have progressed further and overcome these shortcomings in design, instead they just keep copying great games from back then and being worse than them.

>>712702857
>I remember warcraft 3's tutorial being fun and then the first level has a shit ton going on.
Nigga what?

>>712698987
>It's not on steam so I have to go to some website and download an executable like it's 2007
>It installs in about a minute
>Simple box frames & calibri font UI
>Immediately understandable gameplay
>Great music
>Blowing shit up still rules
My god, I'm home.

>>712637920
It's the final piece of content for that utter flop. The only reason China and Japan even got made is because they already sold 2 new civs with the premium edition

>>712645453
I got bored with the campaign really fast

>>712683000
checked
also
>be me
>play aoe2 on ps2
>like it a lot
>ask my mom if the villagers shake hands and kiss each other when they go to parties, its a normal greeting in my euro country and I was refering to family gatherings
>mom confiscates disc for being a bad influence, thinking Im talking about kissing parties cause she was only half listening to me
>every older kid at school talks about some game called castle, our translation for stronghold
>buy stronghold ages later and find it not hitting the same spots for me, thinking that the game aged poorly and I have fake memories of what I could do in the old game
not saying stronghold is a bad game, I actually like it more than aoe2, now that I have properly played both. but man who was the genius that said, lets put aoe2 on ps2.
still best mouse to gamepad translation Ive seen to date. left stick moves the mouse fast, right stick moves the mouse slow.

>>712703316
>aoe2 on ps2

>>712637059
How are the new units?Are they good or broken?

>>712688780
It may be AI slop but the characters are attractive. Too bad about the clothes, it could've sold millions with proper bimboification.

>>712696257
Isn't that Sins of a Solar Empire?

>>712696601
Analysis: No voice acting, no campaign, no soul.
Verdict: Gookclick.
Sentence: Death.

>>712703440
I got a win xp with a shit ton of viruses and shit ton of shareware games as a birthday present from my aunt, it was her old pc.
my dad and mom got into a fight over it cause apparently my aunt was not gifting me a fun pc but "her old junk" and they got rid of it the next day. didnt buy me a pc either cause every time I brought up the topic, one of them would bring up the old xp pc and another fight would ensue.

>>712703856
kek

>>712650568
you don't even know what the words you use mean

>>712679026
luckily the bar is exceptionally high so this game is still good

>>712645453
playing the first

>>712688552
I wanted to make an rts campaign with replayability, giant grant games' inspiration is the wings of liberty campaign which can be done in an enormous number of different orders but you could totally go further

>>712703801
TA style games are pretty light on APM traditionally, the macro is automatable

>>712704727
you are literally sending workers to the frontline and have to babysit them constantly I've never seen more stressful macro in a game

>>712704859
just play metal maps like a true causal

>>712647893
the original CD ai from 1999 cheats and that's still an option in the settings

>>712654379
>>712654903
Wait, someone's working on Sacrifice? Qrd?

>>712702857
>I remember warcraft 3's tutorial being fun and then the first level has a shit ton going on.

You're remembering that wrong. Because the first level after the tutorial is you controlling Arthas and max 8 footmen. There is barely anything too demanding going on in the first mission. Or the second which is the first "traditional" RTS mission where you have to build a base and build units to destroy the enemy Orc base. It's not until at least Strahnbrad do you have to do a little more than attack+move in a deathball.

>>712703519
fuck i hate the pig, all his units suck but he keeps spamming mace men in large numbers so if you don't wall off and have a fuck ton of archers or crossbowmen he's either going to rape your king or destroy all your buildings

>>712705114
The tutorial was that shit with Thrall where you're taught how to control units in the first mission and how to build a base and make units on the second, ending with you freeing Grom and fucking off to Kalimdor. Also the objective on the second human mission isn't destroying the orc base but killing a blademaster hanging out nearby.

>>712705216
I'm going to destroy the base regardless. It's free xp for Arthas to get a level and they're Orcs. They don't deserve to live.

>>712703856
classic.

>>712705434
sadly its not a copy pasta
also fuck I messed up the new lines now its two lines instead of three

>>712645740
>complete cope post to try made as seething response to the other factually correct reddit faggot
RTS was a fucking huge genre
back when it focused on single player so little timmy in his computer class could gush about how cool zealots were
>muh league of legends
i'll eat my own fucking shit if anything less than 35% of that player base touches nothing but bot lobbies
50% including ARAM and TFT
and then 70% who only touch normals and never ranked
nobody gives a single fuck about tourneyfaggotry except tourney fags who whine the loudest that they deserve to be catered to because they wasted ten thousand hours playing the same flawed game demanding that its flaws be centered around them

>>712705216
the guy who used warcraft 3 as an example
my experience that I used as an example was like that because I used the demo as my first introduction to warcraft 3. in the demo it had a few more levels than the tutorial shipped with the full game. they were kinda much harder than the tutorial levels that made it into the final game.
https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Exodus_of_the_Horde

>>712635423
Thank you for mentioning a game everywhere else forgot.

>>712644340
Good choice
Here's my favourite
https://youtu.be/oR0UYdLT27Y

Playing through Warcraft 3's campaign on hard, do the enemies have infinite gold or what on this difficulty? Just finished the human campaign and i only finished the last mission because i used arthas's shield to cheese their necropolis and unit buildings.

>>712648654
looks hella fun but its 60 fucking bucks, i mean come on ...

>>712706092
Not infinite but they do get more of everything. Insane is much much harder than normal. Warcraft 3 isn't too bad, Frozen Throne is a big step up

>>712705904
Ah, forgot that was a thing. Yeah, makes way more sense than the first human mission. Should replay it one of these days, I think I only ever touched it once when I first got into custom campaigns.

>>712706092
I think it has more to do with enemies just having several bases all over the map but I never had a mission go long enough for that to happen. I think you're kinda expected to use Arthas to clown on the map, though giving him some knights, rifles, priests, gryphons and steam tanks does wonders.

>>712706483
I found the demo again recently by searching for some news or blog page on warcraft's old website through waybackmachine. the download link still works. just werks out of the box on win10. I think unlike the custom campaign version, it has voice acting. checking online, they added these missions back to reforged. guess they did one thing right with that demake. a broken clock does indeed show the time correct twice a day.

>>712706353
>A few missions are harder, but there's noticeably less base missions in Frozen Throne then base WC3. Also if you do a marathon run of the game you go from the Nelves campaign, right into the Nelves campaign again. That's way too much elf for me and I hate the fucking Nelves as a playstyle and faction.

>>712707169
Could always do the TFT orc one first, though not saving the best for last does feel wrong.

>>712704569
BOOTA

>>712684476
10/10 game, shame the sequel needed like 5 DLC and a million patches to come close. and COH3 just shat itself

>>712626765 (OP)
>Post about strategy games which are real-time. Discuss why 3D is shit and 2D is better.
I like both 3D and 2D RTS games. Especially Homeworld is a really nice representative of 3D RTS games since not only are the models 3D but also the gameplay.

How is Dungeons 4? As good/mediocre as the rest? That's fine if so, good for when it is on a sale.

>>712645453
This one is on my backlog since i already bought it on GOG. I simply don't have the time to play it after buying like 40+ games from the last GOG sale.

>>712707938
>play demo
>immediately start developing a thing for evil elves
I'm too weak bros...

Oh no - the Game of Thrones RTS that was shown at Summer Games Fest is multiplayer focused

>>712708594

>>712708594
My bet is they try to do something like the last Dune RTS. There is no way they risk making a classic RTS with esport focus

>>712708723
It's BfME3 but GoT

>>712708594
lol
lmao
Another money laundering project destined to die.

>RTS thread
>400 posts already
Goddam it
Anyway I finally got a new mouse and all I want to do is play RTS

I've been playing a lot of starcraft lately but i don't like the current state of the game as a zerg, what's a good alternative that i can play 1v1's only?

>>712709290
the only mulitplayer rts are starcraft, starcraft 2, warcraft 3, aoe2 and aoe4

I fucking love Starcraft
Brood War AND 2
That's right, I said it

Recs for RTS games that are actually good?
I've only played Majesty, Starcraft and the first CNC

>>712709532
Warcraft 3 is the best RTS and will never be topped

>see people post about this BAR rts
>download it
>open it
>it starts downloading tons of shit
>try to play a game
>nothing happens
>delete it
I am pretty sure it was a virus

>>712707938
It's just 3 with a new coat of paint. It doesn't really innovate anything. I liked 3 well enough, but I hoped 4 would add a new faction or something to shake things up

>>712709640
I tried playing it recently. Didnt like it much. Very few units, dumb story. Age of Empires is much better.

And to me the best RTS will always be Cossacks 3. Better unit sizes, cant use a sword to damage a building. I remember when I first played AoE 1 I laughed when I saw a horseman hitting my walls. Then I grew concerned when it started burning. Why was stone burning due to a man on a horse hitting it with a sword, I thought. I was maybe 8 at the time. It never made sense.

>>712709708
try turning it off and on again

>>712709181
Try BAR

Which AoE is ACTUALLY good? I'm a bit turned off from AoE 2 because the races are so similar

WHO WANTS TO PLAY SOME MOTHERFUCKIN BROOD WAR OR SC2

>>712709532
Try Empire Earth

>>712710392
Aoe2 > AoM > Aoe4 > Aoe1 > Empire Earth > Aoe3
AoM has asymmetrical civilisations but each civ has 3 variants worshipping a different Major God

>>712710392
AoE2 and AoE4
AoE3 is strange but it's an acquired taste
AoM is good, but also kind of acquired taste

>>712709532

>>712710816

>>712641580
Extremely kino.
Reminder that the Gaalsien did nothing wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kem_3JKW8iU

>>712689307
If you've seen the anime you know everything that happens so you don't really need the game to be translated
It's not very good anyway, every mission basically plays out exactly the same (i.e. like a Total War battle)

>>712711101
I see what you did there, but by the same logic we could shove CoH2, SC2, AoE3, Red Alert 3 down there

>>712655984
They're console gamers, not PC gamers. That said, there are a couple of JP-made RTS games.

>>712710816
Pretty good flow chart, the only gripe I have with this is that "I Like 40k" directly branches off into DoW2 for some baffling reason.

>>712711101
Yeah, that's better,

>>712656425
>>Like building bases?
>Why not just play a city builder?
Because I want to also destroy equally beautiful bases.

>>712711249
Now that you mentioned CoH2, SC2, AoE3, yes, yes we should

>>712711249
Wait a second you're right, CoH2 over CoH1 is misleading
CoH1 looks and plays better than CoH2 since forever, scientifically, empirically proven (Relic could never surpass it)

You can like 2, even 3, but the first is simply the best in design and the graphics, sounds, explosions and gore are unmatched. It just had more soul (just like DoW1 over anything else)

>>712711249
SC2 is kino

>>712696294
This game has one of the best apocalyptic (not post-apocalyptic) atmospheres ever. I don't think modern graphics could recreate the pure desolation this game conveys.

Is it any good?

>>712711531
Im always surprised how much cleaner the image is of COH1. Unless you zoom in it doesnt even feel like a its an older, less graphically impressive, game. If not for PE, brits and the smaller playerbase COH1 would still be GOAT

>>712711101
>god of RTS
>total annihilation
LOL
Meme chart made by a casual

Is AoE IV any good now? I played it on release and while it had some good ideas, it was mostly an unoptimized shambles

>>712687894
The only interest I have in it is eventually pirating it once this mod comes out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK77VIk7eFg

>>712710392
>I'm a bit turned off from AoE 2 because the races are so similar
Then AOE in general might not be your cup of tea. Thankfully you have AOE4 if you want factions to be le different.

>>712696601
Downloaded this game yesterday and I'm loving it so far.

>>712696601
Bar is gigakino. For me it is the sniperbot, fatboi & radar jammer combo for pure niggery. Combine that with tickspam to grant constant sight for your forces at enemy positions and basically fucking nothing barring experimentals can deal with you.

>>712711101
generals doesnt have coop tardie

>>712712280
I love le asymmetry and I don't care if it's cringe

BAR vs ZeroK?

>>712711101
Act of Aggression is genuinely good. I don't get why people dislike it. It's main flaw is that it just lacks character a bit. Gameplay wise, and especially music wise, it is fucking excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlL4AtMcB50

>>712710816
whats on the bottom left? singularity what?

I gave an order to build a square of plasma artillery in BAR and the game crashed.
I guess it's only good for small-scale battles?

>>712712396
Well, as I said, AOE4. But you only have 18 factions.

>>712712507
ashes of the singularity, a game nobody played and everybody used in benchmarks

>>712628642
What's the next DLC going to be?

>>712712538
Probably an issue with your pc. I have never had Bar crash on me.

>>712712507
Asses of the Singularity, a shit supcom clone

>>712712641
why is it shit

What RTS game has good Aircraft? Rise of Nations and Empires: Dawn of the Modern World come to mind.

>>712712621
Never mind I'm fucking retarded I thought that was a new Chinese God or some shit.

I am cautiously hopeful towards Sanctuary Shattered Sun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J190NuTeNR8

>>712712687
Because I didn't have fun playing it. The same as SupCom really.

>>712712698
Haven't played them but I heard Warnow and Red Dragon had good aircraft combat

>>712712621
There won't be any more.

>>712712641
My PC did not crash, faulty software did.

>>712712698
I think that supreme commander has the best range of aircraft in any rts game thus far. Each faction has a nice range of aircraft that feel unique and fitting to them plus there are the experimental aircraft some of the factions get.

>>712712698
I like the way they work Command and Conquer: Generals. You launch them, they conduct a mission and return to base.

>>712712698
Generals

>>712712747
you should not be talking shit then fag

>>712712538
How big was the square exactly?

How the ass do people enjoy playing these "games"?

>>712712641
>supcom clone
It's actually just Sins of a Solar Empire on the ground

>>712712942
Managing massive numbers of forces in a large scale is satisfying in itself. Especially when you can zoom in and see the action in progress after you issue the mass manouvers.

>>712712929
the kind of big you'd only make while fucking around vs AI. I also had about 80 bots tasked to do it.

>ask for lobbies
>no replies
/v/ does not play games

>>712712942
It's for white men.

>>712713064
Maybe no one wants to play with you?

>>712712031
It had a solid campaign and it has the most unique factions mechanics wise. It's probably the last RTS that tried to push for something new and innovative.

>>712713136
No, it's that despite /v/s claims, they don't play 1v1

>>712713195
I don't think anyone in this thread, or RTS threads in general, claim to want 1v1

>>712709532
>Majesty
Have you tried other city builder games? Like the ones made by Impression Games like Zeus, Emperor, Caesar 3 and so forth.

>>712712698
Generals Evolution
Starcraft

>>712713329
>Generals Evolution
Last time I tried it just didn't work. Did they fix their broken-ass release?

>>712689921
Singleplayer games never die. You can dig out some forgotten jank, maybe patch it up to run on modern hardware, and play it like the old days. Meanwhile, multiplayer fotm dies the moment the players move on, and stays dead forever.

>>712713494
No idea lol, I just watch Sybert's VODs.

>>712711531
>>712711365
tis better?

not gonna shove SC2, CoH2 down because its probably the more popular game nowadays but I put CoH1 on top. AoE3 is an outlier and less popular.
Also added Tempest Rising because its generally well received, but I didn't play it yet

Is Empire of Ants/ Undergrowth worth putting on that image. Never see those games brought up in RTS threads

>>712689921
'Alive' is inherently tied to MP. If gooks in korea got nuked and the StarCraft 1 scene died overnight that wouldn't make the singleplayer campaigns any worse on a replay. 'Alive' is a meme status that doesn't matter.

>>712713721
>>712711101
>no Dawn of War

>>712713721
>Empire of Ants/ Undergrowth
How do we even categorise it? It doesn't fit on any of the existing branches, it's in the same ballpark as Impossible Creatures, but how do we get to that after Dinosaurs yes, ants are basically dinosaurs since they were around then I know, but shut up

>>712713946
It's there, you missed the Sci-Fi branch

>>712712687
Everyone expected a SupCom clone but it plays more like Liquid Wars.
It was also one of the first games to require DX11 I think so it didn't work on Win7.

>>712714053
>DX11
>so it didn't work on Win7
That's news to me. Someone should inform my fucking computer that it shouldn't be running the game.

>>712714196
*DX12
I'm pretty sure AoE1 DE also said it requires Win10 and heard people playing it on older Windows.

>>712710392
AoE II's shared tech tree with different bonuses and exclusions works fine. The amount of units/building you can make is fairly extensive and most game fundamentals carry over. AoM is a good spin-off with a semi-asymmetrical approach, and then AoE III is more like an AoM spin-off.

>>712714293
I just checked the store page, it runs with both DX11 and DX12 optionally, dunno if that was the case on release though, they might have gone back and enabled DX11 for it.
>AoE1 DE
The OS requirements are soft, the real lynchpin for whether you can start the game is the DX version, AoE:DE runs off DX11, so it'll run on Win7 just fine.

>release multiplayer focused rts
>fails
>release singleplayer focused rts
>fails
mayne the problem lies in the RTS part

>>712714708
Sub-genres pretty much killed it like a band splitting up, but we're at a point where an RTS game could be made by kitbashing the subgenres back into a cohesive game, even if it would be fucking schizophrenic to actually play it.

>>712714708
maybe it's a bad game retard. if you're even talking about something real

>>712714708
It's an antiquated genre that no longer stands out enough to impress.

>>712714945
This, the execution requirements are gatekeepy to disabled gamers, the characters aren't diverse enough for queer BIPOC gamers, the win or lose binary scenarios is just too sweaty and tryhard and not cozy at all

>>712714939
bad genre*

>>712714708
>release singleplayer focused rts
I don't care much for tank/mechspam so I want medieval or fantasy RTS games, to my knowledge they're not being released aside from Spellforce III which I bought and AoE2DE+DLCs which I also have.

>>712653973
This was my first RTS game. My friend lent it to me on and I went back home and installed on my desktop with windows 98. Right after that I played red alert.
I always smile when I see the robots drink beer.