Why did you tell me it was bad when it wasn't?

>>712727845 (OP)
because it is

>>712727845 (OP)
I didn't though

The idiots on this board think that literally any game ever made sucks.

>>712727845 (OP)
who told you that, they must have been retarded

>>712727845 (OP)
We all said it was good though?

>>712728314
smtv is bad thoughever
no dungeons
no story
doi designs instead of kazuma's design
it's possible the worst smt game, even worse than nocturne

>>712727845 (OP)
best smt boss theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnDnxdNQ87Y

>>712727845 (OP)
It's the worst mainline SMT since 2 but it's still good

Not only is it good but you can unlock all those sexy demon sluts for your team

>>712727845 (OP)
Because IV fags have a vendetta against this game.

>>712728235
>>712728314
>>712728332
He's making a sweeping false assertion because that's the easiest way to get (you)s.
>>712728785
Vengeance fixed most of that.

>>712734223
>most of that
You mean all of that.

SMTVV is good though

>>712727845 (OP)
SMT threads on the site are just Souls-tier shitflinging where only one game can be good and all the others are shit.

>>712728785
Isn't Kazuma using AI now?

>>712727845 (OP)
It's OK

>>712728785
>Didn't list the biggest issue V had which was fixed with Vengeance
false fan of the series.

>>712734386
How many dungeons in Vengeance?

>>712735368
Every map is a dungeon.

>>712734386
Also
Made
The game a lot easier so I won’t play.

>>712735389
No it isn't.

>>712727845 (OP)
It is bad, you're probably just a troon LARPing to force discussion about it because literally no one wants to talk about this crap except like 3 trannies

>>712727845 (OP)
it is a bad game that destroyed the SMT community and flooded it with faggots and fujos

>>712735781
The series was always trans coded

>>712727845 (OP)
Not as good as 4

>>712735879
no it wasn't, it made fun of troons

>>712735687
>Fans of SMT 3 are trannies
based

>>712735931
wrong pic but yeah

>>712727845 (OP)
SMT is actually about the story, just not as much as Persona. Because the story and word building is as present, it isn’t as good as a persona game. Nocturne was minimalistic and had fewer moments of dialogue than most rpgs, but story and the world was still an important part of that game and the minimalism was there to make it more impactful for what it was

>"....Nakajima was a spitting image of his mother, a beautful woman with a slender figure..."

>".....Nakajima was a slender man with an effeminate disposition, in fact he could probably pass as an attractive girl if he hung up his collar in favor of a sailor suit."

Fatlusfaggots....

>>712728314
Because they don't play games, /v/ has long been infested with gooner and /pol/ culture warriors.

>>712735931
So SMTV is esoteric gay shit with degenerate occult symbolism? Sorry, but that sounds kino.

>>712727845 (OP)
Never believe doomposters
90% of /v/ is retards with no taste and shitposters who hate on every new game

>>712728785
Doi is better. Die seething

>>712728314
half of this board is normalfags that play cod and fortnite and the other half is people that only play games to jack off

>>712727845 (OP)
but i didnt. i told you its one of the best games released in past years. its great

>>712727845 (OP)
its an ok game but a bad mainline smt.
the best part is the battle system, but it falls apart in vengeance because innate demon skills are legit broken.

removing random battles and removing dungeons was a huge mistake.
all the environments are sand. different colored sand.
all the story is crammed into the final blue sand. it makes so sense how all the reason npcs are just standing in the final sand.
they fucked up during development hard.

>>712736651
Nakajima is a reincarnation, his supernatural spirit affecting his physical as he realizes himself is part of the process, and he still behaves masculine.

Jung Mian is just a soft, pretty boy, being the knowledge of a demon has nothing to do with anything given Dazai doesn't look like Sephiroth.
This isn't to say a unique protagonist appearance is forbidden, but with the taller, protective older man bond it was clearly done in V to service a particular kind of fan.

>>712737612
>removing random battles . . was a huge mistake
kill yourself

>>712735879
>coded
tumblr is thataway, looney troon

>>712737924
hello zoomer

>>712727845 (OP)
Agrat my beloved.

>>712727845 (OP)
Yea total fucking kino. Absolutely mogs 3

So from what I've gathered from playing this game for the first time all the essences and incense stuff also helps you if you want to make one of your favorite demons to keep up with your party without fusing it?
Am I getting this correct?
I can only assume most of you did it for your demonfu, right?

>>712727845 (OP)
I liked a lot
my only complaint is that I wish every SMT were filled to the brim with portal lever puzzles.
either way Vengeance turned out to be one of my favorite games ever. despite it not having puzzles and despite it being on unreal engine slop.

>>712727845 (OP)
It's an excellent game. Anyone else who is telling you the COMPLETE opposite is full of shit.

Pros:
* Fantastic art design
* INCREDIBLE OST
* Best gameplay of the SMT series

Indifferent:
* Linear open world replaces "dungeons"
* Interesting story premise
* Though the story is not really gripping. Has some nice, and memorable scenes here and there, but the overall script is just meh.
* Vengeance route sadly stays pretty close to Original game until third area, but then reuses the fourth area too.

Cons:
* Actual dungeons in this game are a FUCKING slog
* Mini map destroys any form of exploration
* Aitvaras' design (fuck off with those Pokemon designs)

Game gets even better with the Sempiternal Mod (HARDTYPE for VV):
https://gamebanana.com/mods/566484

>>712735781
Their game saved SMT chuddy. You're going to have to live with it.

>>712738535
You don't have to be a zoomer to not cling to bad game design out of Old Good New Bad.

>>712739032
>Best gameplay of the SMT series
lol lmao

>>712739147
>dungeon crawling and resource management is bad game design
ok zoom zoom, whatever you say, enjoy running past every enemy in the overworld

>>712738747
>we want the Ranni audience

when I saw this quote in the beginning I just knew I was about to play a based af game

>>712738747

this game sold best on the switch btw

>>712739183
Not sure what to tell you man.

Exploration is fun, and battles are fantastic.
4A was great too, if that is what you're getting at, but I prefer because all the interesting combinations you could do with the Innate abilities.

>>712739628
And VV sorely needs a switch 2 update.

>>712739669
I was really hoping for another content update for VV. For fuck sake, Atlus. What a disappointment.

>>712739521

>>712739767

>>712739718
what more content do you want? they added a boss and extra demon companions? not to mention its two whole games in one

>>712727845 (OP)
Again, fujo?

>>712739887
Some more extra battles like the Marici one.

>>712727845 (OP)
Never did. V was kino, and VV is kino kino.

I think this is one of the best scenes in the game

>>712739858

>>712740002
this dude is goated for the qadistu fight

Fujo this, fujo that. Maybe gay games can still be good games and have demon women that appeal to me in it? How about that?

>>712740002

not a fujo game. they gaze at each other with so much love in their eyes.

>>712740162

>>712740267
You can stand next to every demon like this. And it's great I hope the demon haunt remains a permanent fixture in SMT

>>712740382

>>712727845 (OP)
The original was literally /v/s GOTY. Dont blame us for your inability to parse shitposters from actual people who play games

>>712739032
>best gameplay of the SMT series

If only visuals could save a gameplay system that is level more to win. what is the point in stats if they don't effect total turns to kill an enemy?

I didn't hate V, but the design changes it has in regards to the battle system often hamper any enjoyment in team comp, which is kind of a big deal for mainline SMT

>>712740428

>>712740302

>>712740540

>>712727845 (OP)
It was very, very bad.
Vengeance fixed almost everything.

>>712740663
You should use the SMTVVFix mod to enable developer console menu. So that you can use Free Camera to move freely, even during cutscenes.

>>712740834
Im a console pleb

>>712736438

>>712727845 (OP)
I repeatedly told you its the best game in the series, and it is the best Persona game. Persona doesn't hold a candle to this game. It is so much better it isn't even funny. You get a solid 80-100 hours in one playthrough alone.

>>712728785
>No story
This is always, always, always a good thing

>>712740902
I'm still surprised how few people don't get upset with this ending. It's probably the most tragic ending I've seen in most games in general.

>>712741107
Most people probably didn't get that one. It's easy to miss.

>>712740029

>>712741107
>a world without the influence of angels or demons upon humanity
tragic how?

>>712728001
Shit taste.

>>712741289

>>712741041
>best Persona game
now this post just became bait.

>>712741549
Mara's dialogue can get quite overbearing. I swear a 17 year old wrote all of it, but I guess that's what makes Mara the Grand Member

What in the everloving fuck were they thinking with this Lucifer design?

>>712728785
>no dungeons
Good. Dungeons suck. They get in the way of fighting
>no story
Good. Story gets in the way of fighting.
>doi designs instead of kazuma's design
Who gives a shit about some washed up AI whore?

>>712742060
alien but elegant. the design would look a lot better without that tumor arm though. alls good, it never came back.

>>712742109
I could keep continue posting screenshots for hours. This game is such an incredible visual masterpiece.

>>712742150
>Dungeons suck. They get in the way of fighting
?

>>712741398
>tragic how?
I don't get how you can watch the MC who barely emotes all game finally crack when he has to erase the most important thing to him in his life.

>>712742291
fr

>>712742442
They do. You get lost like an asshole and waste hours trying to find the way out, usually skipping battles. SMT V is fighting after fighting after fighting. Not walking around lost like a moron.

SMTVV was good.
SMTV had a lot of fucking problems.

>>712736679
Nigger. :)

>>712742639
>waste hours
>usually skipping battles
>Not walking around lost like a moron
sounds a lot like the overworld to me

>>712742859
You can actually choose what battles to fight in the overworld. Bro let me tell you, if you get lost in the overworld of SMT V, you have brain problems.

>>712727845 (OP)
It's the best game. King of JRPG

>>712741873
I love cool demon facts so much bros

>>712728314
Yes, but they somehow also have encyclopedic knowledge of those same games. It's like some kind of mythological punishment where they are cursed to spend their every waking hour engaging with something they hate.

>>712742830
Cracker ;)

>>712727845 (OP)
I'm not mad at the game I'm mad at fujos spaming their art

>>712740495
Level has always mattered more than stats in the entire series. You're entirely clueless about how damage calculations work in nocturne.

>>712743734
I can't say I'm surprised considering this game is pretty blatant and fujos are legendary for working with less. They were basically given the equivalent of a platter when normally just working with scraps.

>>712736438
>isn't as good as a persona game
I don't mean to nitpick because you're more or less right with the rest, but I feel I need to highlight where this sort of view stems from.

If you were to take any Persona and SMT and make them into movies, live action to escape the animation stigma, it's likely an international audience would feel more impressed by the scope of the story and worldbuilding in SMT.

The thing is as a game the story and world building of MT and SMT while substantial is often intentionally detached from the main characters most of the time as they try to understand and survive the inhuman world.
Persona gradually revolves around the cast making it easier for players to absorb and engage.
Both are games, so it's not necessarily wrong to judge them from this but the impression one has a weaker narrative stems chiefly from how it's conveyed as an interactive experience.

As a weird example: if I were to ask if the Harry Potter setting has better story and world building compared to Discworld to book readers, it's night and day because of the 4th wall perspective, but if I asked people who only played the Discworld games as Rincewind to an early Harry Potter game, to make it graphically fair, as Harry the engagement and significance changes the view of the world around to the audience.

>>712728785
>contrarianism: the post

>>712744374
SEX with MOON GOD

>>712736438
Most of SMT doesn't waste hours of my fucking time on nothing dialogue like persona does so that instantly makes it better.

>>712727845 (OP)
Every time I play a JRPG I am reminded that I can't use a Mermaid. I can't build teams with fusion autism. Press Turn doesn't exist. Reverse Compendium fusion is a really big QoL change. For SMT in general, I especially appreciate the references to all kinds of mythology. Sometimes they're so niche that the SMT design eclipses the actual source material in popularity.

I like the game a lot but it's really hindered by how fucking monumentally terrible the overworld is. SMTV might actually be a contender for the worst level design of any JRPG ever. It's insulting how awful the visual design of the locals are. Like for fuck sake what stupid Jap kike thought it was a good idea to overuse deserts THAT fucking much?

>>712744309
NTA but I can't help but feel disgusted when people gauge quality based on if the MAJORITY of people would like it.
The majority of people are literally incapable of recognizing quality. They like distractions and to have their emotions tickled. They like surface level shit.
"Engagement" is such a worthless metric unless you're a money obsessed kike.

Despite it not being one of my favourite games due to how many glaring faults it has I have to say it might genuinely be the best turn based battle system I've ever seen in a JRPG.

alice sexo

>>712737193
>Doi is better

>>712742968
if you get lost in SMT dungeons of all things then you actually have brain problems

>>712745346
>He hasn't played Strange Journey, SMT 1, SMT 2.
Let me guess. Nocturne is your favorite game in the series?

>>712727845 (OP)
You only consider it not bad because you haven't played a good SMT game.
This game is so baby mode easy that my Vengeance playthrough was accidentally a no fusion run, as I only fuse when a bossfight stumps me.

The demons they give you for sidequest are so broken that I questioned how people even enjoyed playing this trite dogshit.

>>712732447
Why do people dislike 2?

>>712745447
>This game is so baby mode easy that my Vengeance playthrough
Shin Megami Tensei 1 is the easiest of the series.

>>712743734
So you're mad at the game?

>>712745840
>a more than 30 year old JRPG is easy
thank you for this astute observation, VVfag

>>712745936
>a more than 30 year old JRPG is easy
Are you >Implying this is the norm? You are a poser.

>>712745936
What a stupid fucking nigger post. What fucking braincells are you rubbing together in that empty fucking skull of yours that you actually think it being older is an actual excuse for it being easy?

>>712745936
the only hard one is notcurne on hard mode. its one massive knowledge check but once you learn it all the challenge is gone.
am I wrong?
name a hard jrpg.

>>712746023
because JRPGs were still new and not quite figured out yet? because they didn't have difficulty modes in them? damn you VV niggers are feisty

>>712745936
Nerve bullets.

>>712744852
No funny old guy = TRASH.

>>712727845 (OP)
I bet this guy drives cars

Most of you would get an aneurysm trying to play Megami Tensei.

>>712746145
Clearly you haven't played Apocalypse mode in IVA

>>712746168
Shut the fuck up you worthless inbred nigger.
>not quite figured out
JESUS fucking Christ I am unironically BOILING in fucking anger you are so fucking stupid. Kill yourself. I hope your grandmother falls into oncoming traffic you worthless fucking reprobate.

>>712746269
She gets so salty when you defend cars lmao

They made it too easy to make demons viable in the end game with stat boosts and so it makes fusion pointless. The whole fucking point of SMT is the fusion. I wouldnt call it bad but if it keeps getting this easy I'll just call your mother

toot

>>712746269
Chaos is right. The modern world does suck though. Fuck cities and fuck anything that isn't in walking distance.

>>712746319
holy seethe batman

>>712746145
>the only hard one is notcurne on hard mode
You clearly haven't played OG Strange Journey and Devil Survivor.

>>712746284
Feels more rng than anything else when I die. At least it expects me to fuse demons unlike VV.

>>712727845 (OP)
Vengeance isn't bad. The original was.

>>712745436
SMT 1 was terrible with getting lost since the endless dead ends and trying to progress. SMT 2 was a lot better but had some gay dungeons. SJ was manageable. 3 is still king despite playing through all of them last year.

>>712746386
Unironically my favourite Atlus girl because of all the car shit. What the fuck was that?

>>712746283
I have beaten MT2 and it's is one of my favorite games. So is VV

>>712746168
lmao obvious zoomer larper who has played like 5 JRPGs older than 2010

>>712746494
>I have beaten MT2
Cap. Those games can't be beaten.

Why are you like this?

>>712746485
You know the MC also shits on cars in the same spot in the original route right?

>>712746284
>Jacks up enemy AGI to ridiculous levels so you miss all the time
That mode SUCKS

>>712746434
>only jrpg better than atlus is atlus
well good thing I like all their games.
you getting that Raidou remaster? can’t wait.

>>712746441
Vengeance does nothing to fix the flaws of the original. Not even the story.
It's like the devs didn't want to make any changes to the original as it that would require them to admit they didn't write a perfect story.
It's more of a middle finger to those that criticize the original.

>>712746751
>It's like the devs didn't want to make any changes to the original
It's like the original was fun, and you are a jaded little bitch.

>>712746434
there's very little actual RNG in IVA
if you think there is I invite you to play something like dungeon travelers
OG SJ is pretty easy too. desu2 is pretty sweet though

>>712746448
the gay dungeons are the fun
play if

The Kaneko you worship, is dead.

>>712746731
>Raidou remaster
Looks like genuine ass. I think modern Atlus is a corpse that is being paraded around.

>>712746818
It's only fun if you're retarded enough not to notice how bland all the bossfights were.

>>712747040
The only thing I care about Kaneko related is his original concept for SMT4. I really want someone to leak that so we can see how much the game matches the original idea.
It seemed like kino based off the game alone.

>>712746751
The story was never bad to begin with. Cope.>>712746751

>The story was never bad to begin with
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>712747040
dear lord, please don't post this shit again
Kaneko motherfucker, how low have you fallen

>>712746857
>OG SJ is pretty easy too
Maybe I'm the unluckiest mf on earth but the first area and sector E are moments where I question a lot in life.
First area was the Oni and Sector E was just the teleportation area. Since I don't use guides I had to bust out good ol' pen and paper.

>712747236
Good bait.
At least know I now to ignore you.

>>712727845 (OP)
I remember when people were trying to say soul hackers 2 was better just because wasn't on switch. What fucking retards. A good game is a good game.

>>712747040
what in the actual fuck?

>>712747798
no one says soul lackers 2 is a good game

>>712744062
I love Mother Earth's animation so much bros

Stop mentioning Soul Hackers 2. Probably the worst ATLUS game of the last century. Fuck what a waste of resources and money.

>>712747908
Now they don't. But they did.

>>712747980
they you are ABSOLUTELY going to love this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_WzAmGf2Y8

>>712747230
so you didnt like Metaphor either? damn bro you really have some abysmally shit opinions.

>>712744062
I had an all physical party maximized for crits and multi-hit attacks. I ran over this fight and felt like I didn't get to see the full extent of it.

>>712747813
He fell to the same fallacy many gambling addicts do, the potential for a great result from a dice roll hijacks the reality of poor ones.
And I know AI can be trained and tweaked to pump out art assets, but that sort of thing shouldn't be in the pipeline of reliable game development.

At the very least it was just a phone game.

>>712747040
Jesus christ

>>712746587
this nigga dont even know assembly lmaooo

>>712747040
Friendship ended with Kaneko. Now Doi is my best friend.

>>712748094
I hate how pedantic I sound when criticizing modern Atlus but they've genuinely fallen off.
I'll at least give props for Metaphors gameplay and progression system for the most part. It also had some good bossfights unlike VV.

Otherwise, the story, the forefront of the game was genuinely dogshit. It held onto its reveals for so long that once they actually unveil it you'd have already guessed them.
And I swear they revealed that the fantasy world was once our world before twice. Once in Shinjuku and then by Moore at the end. Are the writer so retarded that they had to do it two times? Even then the reveal has no effect at the story at hand. Stopping Louise.

>>712748094
NTA but Metaphor is definitely a contender for my favourite Atlus game and probably my GOTY last year but I still feel it was really in need of a bit more polish. Especially towards the latter half of the game. I REALLY hope they make a 2nd one becuase if they polished it, or fuck if they released a complete version like VV or P5Royal Metaphor definitely has potential to be one of my favourite JRPGs of all time.

>>712748521
As long as he stops those swirly patterns.

>>712748786
What did you like about the game that made you rate it so highly?

>>712748768
please tell which gaming studio hasn't fall off these days.

>inb4 FROM
LMAO

Also
>It also had some good bossfights unlike VV.
>UNLIKE VV

HUGE OOOOFFF... some shit opinion right here.

>>712748768
>spoiler
I think the twist there is very blatant world building used as sequel bait.

>>712748910
The gameplay was really fucking good and to me the perfect mix of Persona and SMT gameplay and I love the job system. Also in terms of it's ratio of gameplay to story that I think both SMT and Persona skewer too far in opposite directions. Persona is too much story and SMT is too much gameplay so Metaphor was that nice middle ground. I liked the set up for the story, the contest to become crowned king was really compelling and meshed with the social sim gameplay so much better than the meandering you have in Persona. I also can't praise enough how good the pacing is in Metaphor compared to the Persona games that share it's structure. I beat the game in 80 hours and was honestly never once bored. The dungeons were all really good, I liked the cast a lot and I thought it handled it's themes really well without feeling overly childish and condescending. It's honestly refreshing to have a game with racial tension being a core theme without it being some gather round the campfire kumbaya shit. Also my favourite main villain of any Atlus game. He just has a charisma that made me like him a lot. The plot reveals being a bit wonky and some game sections like the academy that feel like blatant cut content bring it down but despite that I enjoyed every minute of playing it. It's a really solid foundation so as I said I so hope they do a sequel or a complete version cause the main thing I want from Metaphor is just more of it.

I really hope they don't drop racial skills and the abilities for next game, party building in VV is fuckin dope

>>712748441
Are you saying you cheated, senpai?

>>712727845 (OP)
Depends. How long have you played it? It's fine until a point.

Gameplay was nice but with a game that long you need good story and characters. It's completely normal to get burned out and not come back because there's nothing to look forward to with its minimal story.

>>712749806
Intricated stories do not belong in video games. They are a distraction at best.

>>712746168
It's true that FF 1 -6 are kind of easy but the genre was already figured out

>>712750141
FF1 OG is not easy at all.

I regret doing V vanilla over Vengence because I wanted to see the base experience but after I beat it on Vanilla i spoiled the difficulty curve cause I didn't feel like doing a complete NG and just rolled the VV campaign. VV does improve certain aspects and some of the more headscratching story elements like the 2nd arc of the school going to the demon world has more cohesion in the overall story but it still feels like there's something lacking in terms of establishing the conflict between the various factions. Exploration overall still feels weak and the game gutted most of the more complex aspect of demon negotiations from IV (you can't request funds, haggle for items, or synergize status effects in conjunction with different talks). Accessibility wise it's the best it's ever been and should be praised it doesn't feel like you're disadvantaged for not staring into a fusion calc to get the best demon between the various searches it's never been easier to meta game the best fusion, but it feels like difficulty wise (sans Demi fiend) the game lacks any real tough bosses even on the hardest difficulty.

>>712750191
If you pick a standard party it is

>>712750191
Maybe if you're doing a meme team like all light mages or thieves.

>>712746948
I said gay but I didn't hate them. Also I will never play If because I fucking hate Persona (If being the progenitor) and I hate school settings. One of the many reasons I dislike 5.

>>712750469
>>712750537
Mages having limited spells filters me.

>>712750468
Masakado? Satan? Battle Trainer Challenge Mode?

Should I bother with Godborn? I already cleared the game a few times.

>>712750468
FYI, the factions of Bethel was never the point of the story.

>>712738535
I'm 38 years old.
I'm sick of random encounters that appear out of thin air.

Ive played enough random encounter RPGs to satisfy 3 lifetimes.
Persona 2 really turned me into an absolute random encounter hater

>>712751380
Godborn isn't really a challenge mode. It's just a new game plus mode for playing the game with endgame demons. It's pretty fun but it's a different experience.

>Metagoy defenders

>>712751909
Some fames show encounters but you can't skip them anyway

>>712751909
Maybe if all you play are random encounters but most modern RPGs don't do that anymore so it's actually a dying game mechanic. It's still good because it's challenging, otherwise you're playing a walking simulator which unironically some people want.

>>712727845 (OP)
It's boring, unfocused, side-quest goyslop. Nocturne was better in every way.

>>712751909
Random encounters are only acceptable if there are items to increase them or turn them off.

>>712752081
Yea.
That's one thing I absolutely love to death about EO

it's not just happening at random intervals.

>>712752030
Better moth image for that.

>>712743610
You've gotta know your shit to properly hate on it. You see this on /a/ with people hate watching shows to shit on them weekly

>>712727845 (OP)
Im really interested in Raidou setting, and the story seems nice. You think the remaster will be fun with the revamped combat? I heard the combat was shit in the original

>>712752303
Random encounters is not a good mechanic. It was abstraction to simulate a D&D game ambush. The way V and Metaphor both do field encounters where field enemies have unique attacks and actions they use to trigger an enemy advantage is the best way. It is what the abstraction was always meant to be.

>>712751909
Why is it that every retard who's against random encounters is too stupid to use a skill that disables or reduces random encounters? Every game has at least one of those skills.

>>712727845 (OP)
I don't think I've ever seen someone on this board call SMTVV bad outright.

>>712752670
It uses 2's battle system which is fun. It's not great action combat but it's functional and it's rad having all your demons fighting alongside you.

>>712752554
Anyone who acts like they need to be 100% caught up with shit and pay as much attention to it as those who genuinely enjoy the same thing are speds.

>>712746189
My boy Gustave fills that niche perfectly fine.
>KIHIHIHI, MAIDO

>>712742291
That's actually kinda dope how they took the drawings of the demons in IV and framed them PERFECTLY to resemble the art with the lighting and everything, not even Pokemon does this

CAPITULATE TO PLEASURE

>>712752919
Pokemon doesn't really do anything these days. Laziest devs in the world.

>>712742291
The megido ark attack is fucking incredible.

>mod adds over a hundred demons in from the rest of the series
Good
>it also an extra tier of skills and passives that discombobulate the already frail balance of the game
Less good

>>712753231
Post mod

>>712752728
Alright, I have just created a video game featuring a mechanic where the game just freezes at random for about 90 seconds at random intervals. Worry not, though, I also included some ingame items you can purchase and use which prevent that from happening for a brief period of time. Now tell me this is a fun mechanic while you run around maze-like dungeons that force you to backtrack for tens of minutes.

>>712753087
Yeah they look like 3d assets just plonked into a badly shaded 3d world, this game was made for the EXACT same hardware as V mind you

>>712753231
And it's always this retarded philosophy of
>IMMA NERF EVERYTHING STRONG TO THE GROUND
>IMMA BUFF ALL SHIT SKILLS INTO BROKEN

>>712753231
>The skills make demons feel even more unique and every enemy/boss has passive skills too, including bosses that are unplayable like the enemy Nahobino

>>712728785
>no dungeons
???
It has inmense dungeons with almost no interaction with the "town" of tokyo.

In fact one of the things Vengance did was adding more content on tokyo so you have stuff to do other than dungeoning all day

>>712727845 (OP)
I didn't. I said it was the best Atlus game of late.

>>712753541
The boring deserts with nothing of interest in them are not dungeons. That's like saying Elden Ring's open world is a dungeon. Nobody thinks that.

>>712753370
And heres a comparison so Anons know what the fuck im talking about, pretty cool.

>>712732598
SEEEEEEEEEEXXXXOOOO

>>712753345
https://gamebanana.com/mods/528162
It keeps getting updated regularly, so maybe it'll all get sorted out eventually

I hope SMTVI fills the game with more hot demons

>>712736438
>it isn’t as good as a persona game.
You're right. It's better.

>>712737612
>removing random battles and removing dungeons was a huge mistake.
>2025
>Still wanting random battle
My God, what a faggot

>>712753617
Define a dungeon, then.

Because they're hazardous spaces where you combat enemies, where the treasures are, where the bosses are located and where the story progresses. For all intents and purposes the areas in Vengance are the same as the sectors in Strange Journey, they just so happen to be in a 3D space.

>>712753798
I hope SMTVI doesn't take place in another wasteland
I hope SMTVI shows us an apocalyptic cutscene
I hope SMTVI brings back dungeons
I hope SMTVI lets us battle in tokyo before shit goes down
I hope SMTVI has a pirate faction

>>712753352
But the game does not freeze you retard, random encounters are core part of dungeon exploration which are meant to tax player's ability to manage resources, items, MP etc. and judge when they should push forward or when should they go back and resupply.
Any half decent dungeon crawler does it and it's why people always get filtered by obelisk in nocturne.

>>712753918
Pleasea Atlus ignore this guy

>>712753617
damn you didnt like SMTVV or Elden Ring? where do you niggers with your absolutely horrible shot opinions come from? you faggots can’t be real.
I would ask what game someone so miserable as yourself likes but I am sure you witless mutt would not provide any answer.

>>712753895
That's an overworld, not a dungeon. If you want a dungeon then it would be then ones where you enter smaller more confined locations with more deliberate design and exploration that involves trying to navigate through the different entrances. SMTVV literally has those kinds of dungeons that are a stark contrast to the desert shit so don't sit here and pretend you don't know the difference.

>>712754062
SMTVV is one of my favourite JRPGs of all time but you're full of SHIT if you don't admit the shitty world design wasn't the single biggest glaring fault.
>I would ask what game someone so miserable as yourself likes but I am sure you witless mutt would not provide any answer.
You sound like a faggot who's too insecure to criticize the things he likes. What is it either literal 11/10 perfect or worthless garbage to you? Grow up retard.

>>712754184
and why cant a game be simple just fun and good without putting some arbitrary score on it? you are a nigger, a very dumb one.

>>712742968
I got lost a bit in SMT VV because I didn't expect it to be so vertical there's some cool jumps you have to do
I suck at verticality let me just run forward

>>712754184
>you don't admit the shitty world design wasn't the single biggest glaring fault.
I love the world design in SMT V.

>>712754282
>I got lost a bit in SMT VV
Nothing compared to spending hours in a dungeon because you missed this one fucking square in floor 1.

>>712754281
This reply would make sense if I actually ever once implied anything to the contrary. Keep your strawman to yourself you fucking moron.

>>712754284
Liar

>>712754407
>Liar
I love looking around the bizzare wasteland. Have you ever looked up? Shit's beautiful.

Naga is best and sexiest demon.

>>712753941
Irrelevant. Your argument was that the mechanic is fine because you can prevent it, and when I tell you that there's a lot of unfun stuff you can put in the game which would still be awful mechanics even if you can prevent then, and now your argument is that the mechanic is actually good because it taxes your resource management rather than merely tolerable thanks to the existence of items which prevent it from occurring. But sure, let's go with this line of argumentation. Now let's say I make a platformer where, at random intervals, the game will require a series of button inputs in a particular order every time you press the jump button, and whether or not you execute it successfully determines if the jump actually happens. It taxes your reactions and dexterity, and I think it makes the game meaningfully more challenging as opposed to literally just freezing the game and not letting you play it, same as random encounters. If you use an item, you can prevent the mechanic from functioning because I also think a lot of players might find this mechanic really annoying and would prefer to not experience it. Is this a good mechanic? Have I made a good game?

For the record, I don't mind random encounters, and depending on what kind of rpg I'm playing they're borderline necessary. IMO DRPGs like classic SMT would be worse off for lacking random encounters, but I think SMTV's level design benefits from not having them since it's very open and exploration-oriented. However, SMTV's "dungeons" suffer for having no random encounters because there's zero challenge at all when traversing them.

That being said, the argument that random encounters are fine because there are ingame items to prevent them from happening is terrible. That's the devs admitting "this mechanic is annoying as fuck, here's a bandaid fix because I'm lazy and uncreative so I'm just blindly following genre conventions".

>>712754184
>If you want a dungeon then it would be then ones where you enter smaller more confined locations with more deliberate design and exploration that involves trying to navigate through the different entrances.
So Strange Journey, a fucking Dungeon Crawler, doesn't have dungeon eithers. Because it has no smaller or confined location severy sector is essentially an overworld as well.

This is getitng silly, why do you NEED to separate the gameplay into smaller confined areas in a turn based RPG? A larger interconnected seamless map in a 3D space that incorporates verticality into the exploration is far far superior to what you're describing.

>>712727845 (OP)
I bought the original for the full price and then they did the veangeance shit so i was petty and told people its shit.

>>712755169
>so i was petty and told people its shit.
And you wonder why karma fucks you up the ass.

>>712752690
VV still has random encounters even if people don't want to admit it. The new map specifically and a few new additions to the old ones have enemies that ambush you. It's not random as you can avoid them once you know they're there but on the first run it's basically a random encounter.

>>712755320
It's not random if it's always in the same spot all the time

>>712755387
>but on the first run it's basically a random encounter.

>>712755436
But it's not nigger. It's not random. You just can't use words ignoring their meaning when it's convinient to you.

>>712727845 (OP)
I think it's ok. I really do not like the overworld format, but I think most of the combat changes are pretty nice. if we could get this game's combat with some good dungeons it'd be the best mainline game

>>712755320
I'll admit, there were several times where I jumped and landed on an enemy that raped me. Those fucking screaming birds in the original were trouble too.

>>712755264
They fucked me over first. I bought the original at launch, supported the studio, bought Artemis DLC too and they went All "nope, doesn't count, you have to buy the game again". Fuck them

>>712754407
>Liar
Different anon, but I also think the world design is pretty damn great in V. Easily a cut above your typical Megaten dungeon (which usually aren't worth writing home about), although I'd have liked it if they'd had some more mechanical variation to them.

>>712755639
People never complained about Persona 4 Golden, or SMT 4A back in the day.

>>712755829
4A is completely different game.

>>712755715
I wouldn't mind the world map being set up like V's areas, but with actual dungeons with random encounters at locations you travel to via that overworld. V's world just isn't very dangerous or difficult to navigate. All threats are easily avoided, saves are all over the place and there is no hazardous terrain that requires specific spells to navigate.

>>712755829
P4G was a vita exclusive until very recently, and 4A is straight up a sequel to 4.

>>712744374
>I couldn't be more satisfied

>>712727845 (OP)
What's your opinion on base V anon?

>>712757093
You can scroll up and see he pretty much hates every smt game ever made.

>>712757446
Faggot-ho!

>>712757446
>>712754649
I will never be loved like this

>>712757708
I know your pain,

Which SMT is the best one?

>>712758010
3's my fav, for sure.

>>712758010
SMT V/ VV > Strange Journey > SMT 4A > SMT 4 > SMT 3 > SMT 1 > SMT 2.

>>712758259
>4A over 4
>4 over 3

>>712758010
4. Setting is amazing

I like Shin Megami Tensei the most when the MC is a regular human using machine guns and swords and dresses like a school shooter.

>>712758446
SMT V is everything 3 wishes it could be.

>>712751909
SMT IV had the perfect compromise between random encounters and on-field encounters. I'm baffled that only fucking Soul Hackers 2 has kept with it.

>>712758259
dropkick Anthony into a pool of lava

>>712758704

>>712758010
This is not objective
VV > III > IVA (Dagda is based) > IV > MTII > SMTII > SMTI > MTI
III could surpass VV though

>>712758493
i want this to be our next protagonist. i was looking for a similarly themed pic of a group of guys standing side by side in edge looking outfits, looking like school shooters, but i can't find it.

>>712758010
4 easily

>>712758493
Same, Yakumo's remark about humans being caught between the machinations of Law and Chaos is lost when you scarcely see much of that happening in the streets of the real world and aren't human yourself most of the game.

It worked for SMT3 because not being human wasn't temporary, nor necessarily empowering since you had no idea what weird shit Luey had done to you or why. The Nahobino thing is too clean, too convenient compared to what Demi-fiend, Akira and Chaos Hero experience.

>>712757432
Oh it's that schizo who has been doing this since VV released

>>712759928
NPCs you talk to in Tokyo are going through hell, as are all the students even after you save them and leave them in the fairy village.

>>712741107
i would but honestly aogami is pretty boring and doesnt do much until late game

>>712759442
Dagda is based only because every party member is a retard

>>712758575
SMTV came out nearly 20 fuckin years after 3 and wants to be 3 so hard it bites all of its style.

>>712741107
I don't pick shit endings
>But muh achivementes!
Couldn't care less

>>712753706
wish she was single

>>712728785
Only proving his point.

>>712760570
It's shit because it's mainly just there as a gut punch even though there is deeper meaning to be found in it. But it's probably the most moving of all the endings. Tao's ending is objectively the good end or the best ending you can get in the game but that's doesn't mean it's a compelling one.

Is Lucifer in SMT3 the most disappointing final boss in SMT history? Yes I'm aware it wasn't in the original.
>not fun, just a slog
>no unique mechanics to the fight unlike the boss you JUST FOUGHT
>on hard mode he fucking heals himself back to full health after 40k damage

>>712753918
I think this franchise isn't for you.

>>712761075
He does have a unique mechanic, he spams High King with 100% bind efficacy every term.

Anyway I think he's kind of lousy other than the super cool DEAD Moon Phase. But he's still infinitely better than the two goobers from IV who just exit to roll over and die for you in like a turn.

>>712758010
3 and 5 are my favorites.

>>712761516
>two goobers from IV
Masakado is the real final boss, as bullshit as it is that he's locked behind DLC.

>>712762218
why does he look like that? is it because of him possessing buildings

>duhhh what if we like end everything lmao

>>712758446
>>4A over 4
4A objectively has better gameplay, exploration and dungeons. 4 has better story, characters and atmosphere but also 4's story and characters are way too rushed anyway.
>>712762323
yeah he's literally fused with Tokyo there

>>712762218
4 had some shitty designs. Especially the angels and Medusa

>>712761259
retard

>>712761075
You're forgetting on Hard Mode on Chronicle his Root of all Evil also casts a secret Dekaja and never tells you.

>>712762718
4fags will sperg about this truth almost as hard as VVtroons sperg about their game being nusona level dogshit

>>712762884
No they don't stupid faggot, get a life.

Threadly reminder
koshimizu > aogami
Moonbino design> bluebino design
Moonbino battle theme > Bluebino Daat battle themes(both CoV and CoC )

>>712762423
i wonder a few people actually killed themselves after getting the white ending, and thats why atlus in SMTIVA was like "uhhh yeah the white were complete retards they actually only affect one universe only hahaha idiots" to prevent more suicides

>>712762218
>Pay if you want to fight the intended final boss

In fact the shittiest of all

>>712763401
They probably realized that nobody would ever pick that ending unless they were curious. Who the fuck is gonna kill themselves and the deciding factor is an SMT4 ending?

>>712763628
>Who the fuck is gonna kill themselves and the deciding factor is an SMT4 ending?
https://youtu.be/ZltxlPch-Ss?si=zLNB65cAglem4pWo

>>712763264
>the MC struggles to even care about Koshimizu after he dies
>if you forget to pick up his final essence, Aogami begs him not to forget his brother existed
lmao at Koshicucks.

>>712762423
The White were right.

>>712762718
Medusa was kino. Her tail of skulls was rad. The art style is just... inferior.

>>712763628
>They probably realized that nobody would ever pick that ending unless they were curious.
I pick that ending in my first playthrough. Granted, I am suicidal.

>>712763628
The white ending is by far my favorite numbered SMT ending. 4A ruining it is of my many complaints with it

>>712764051
I wouldn't go that far but it is the most impactful ending in IV

>>712764225
low bar when the not-neutral endings are both shit

>>712763826
Don't care what the mc supposedly thinks.
Koshimizu is just cooler and better than aogami in everyway.

My Vishnu is fucking dead.

>>712763264
>Moonbino design> bluebino design
I like Bluebino better but I wish he had short hair like Moonbino.

>>712764360
Cope

>>712727845 (OP)
There were threads every day for months. How did you come to the conclusion that people didn't like it?

>>712764504
sex with all of them, especially the one on the far left

>>712763264
Misread moonbino as microbikini

>>712767530
IV fags unironically hate VV though. And they bitched in those threads.

>>712768891
I see the condensation at the top. I wonder if it's actually cold.

>>712769343
Some psychos drink it warm

>>712768891
I have this plushie.

>>712742150
>Good. Dungeons suck.
good bait, you almost got me

>>712768902
Nahobino in a microbikini

Nahobino would look 100 times cooler red.

Would you?

>>712769501
You motherfucker.

vengeance was a chance to fix V but instead they just make a clone with the exact same problems

>>712770064
>they just make a clone
This is what I wanted.

Post top tier battle themes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhck00rMoKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCuOjfyUHnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-H7p_tvznQ

>>712768891
Please do not trib or hump this thing.

>>712769501
You know you can sell that thing for like 500 dollars on ebay now?

>>712770414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fak1Zz2SruA
Not sure about top, but the enthusiastic funk to this during what should be horrifying times made it memorable to me.

>>712770414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ET6R7j-3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt9ulazaeP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i55ZsP0f_4
Forgive me for the last one.

>>712769872
I dunno, having a male demon as my soul mate seems kinda gay. If there is anyone I really wish I was, it's Yakumo. I would treat Nuwa right.

>>712769872
Sorry, I'm aligned with chaos

>>712772332
I don't think Yoko ever has a problem with Aogami, unlike Lilith that resents him.

Sex with demon women
And Tao

>>712772195
I've thought about it, and the weird thing is Yakumo and Dazai's relation is hetero, but they also know what it's like to be a woman when they become Nahobino.
Though I guess there's some wiggle room with Yakumo since outside of his face being on it the sex of his serpentine body is unclear, but the snake element comes from Nuwa so it's likely hers.

Are the raidou games dogshit?

>>712772495
Gameplay of 1 is pretty shit, which is very important but everything besides that is nice
Gameplay of 2 is fine, large improvement over 1 but story is a bit less fun
The upcoming remaster takes 2's gameplay and adds a little bit more

>>712770414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRrrW55YIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phgSTsVJEfU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZHm4VllDs

>>712772485
They say explicitly in game that the body of the Nahobino is like 99% the demon half and the knowledge controls it like a puppet. But this is optional because Koshimizu doesn't like doing this and describes it as bizarre, but he has no choice. He's fusing with the protag purely because of a program developed by Bethel based on Aogami's battle data so he has to copy exactly what he did. Visually you can tell which Nahobinos allow the knowledge to be in control and which ones don't based on who's face is on the Nahobino. Nuwa has Yakumo's face, and Susano-o (Aogami) has the MC's face, obviously. So yeah, Yakumo is going around in a female snake body. Dazai's tits are a little less weird because Abdiel clearly looks to be in full control. But I'd still say fusing gave him tits.

>>712742612
I will always regret that we were denied the ability to use that version of Tao or at least fight with roboTao and roboYoko.

>>712773819
I'm mad they still left the explanation for them open ended too. Fun fact, Atlus West cut out the dialog Yoko has in the law end as to what they are because she doesn't elaborate. In Japanese she calls this form a "Goddess of Matter". Lucifer is also Matter according to his race. This is still completely unexplained.

>>712773196
So for the official record /v/, do you want to have a man inside you or to become a woman?

>>712774204
>be hetero and control a woman's body
>be gay and control a man's body
Why not just think of it like controlling a mech?

>>712776621
So I can force a comparison with "why do you play as a girl?" logic later.

>>712727845 (OP)
Base V kinda sucked. Vengeance is what it should have been from the start.

>>712727845 (OP)
Vengeance is great but people tend to collectivize it with base when talking about SMT V, and base is definitely considerably less good. Either way I'd be careful about trusting this board's opinions because the anons here are infected with terminal contrarianism and hate everything.

>>712777416
If Aogami was a girl you could have made this a thing, sadly Nahobino lore is tucked away where most people won't care to find it.

Yoko was right about literally everything.

>>712778742
>revenge good

>>712727845 (OP)
Does V/Vengence run at a consistent frame rate on Switch 2?

>>712779513
Yeah 30, lol. It's capped even though it can run at 60 because it can run 60 easily on steam deck.

>>712780004
Switch 2 upgrade + multiplat DLC would be sick as hell but that's why it's not happening

>>712780374
Honestly it feels like they are working on that right now because they are turning down interviews and bitching about spoilers. They did this after the original V release because they were working on VV so...

>>712780892
Them making that boss fight to elaborate on a bit of lore IS a bit strange, and they made DLC for P3R even after its initial DLC, so honestly I could kind of see it. I don't want to get my hopes up but it makes sense.

>>712778742
Even betraying you?

>>712727845 (OP)
it is kinda bad but the party building and combat more than makes up for it

>>712728785
>even worse than nocturne
I like that you threw that in there to ensure you'd farm (you)s from both sides of the fan base.

>>712772495
1's combat is incredibly clunky and there's only a handful of demons vs Persona's 3 & 4's and even Nocturne's numerous. That being said its a cool unique take on the formula, not seeing post-apocalyptic Tokyo or a high school setting is a good change of pace I like how every demon you recruit or catch can follow you.

Idun is ma waifu. In vanilla it looks like she dances to the lvl up music

>>712781613

>>712772495
I played the first one a year ago and like the others have said, the combat is kinda rough around the edges. The historical period aesthetics is top and the characters are charming, the story is good too.

The remaster will fix this from the looks of it since it's backporting 2's gameplay and grafting it to 1.

>>712763135
They absolutely do
>get a life
No irony? typical VVtroon

>>712781229
It's mainly because the game sorely needs a Switch 2 update. I mean this game only just turned a year old and it plays pretty badly on the brand new nintendo hardware that just came out and Atlus still considers mainline a nintendo priority, just like microsoft has their claws in persona. If nintendo isn't telling them to work on an update so they can use it to advertise the switch 2 I'll be surprised.

How does it look on Switch 2?

>>712782213
I feel the same way. VV is still new, and the original game was a Switch exclusive. VV being one of the future upgrades is a total possibility, unless Atlus simply wants the game to run at 30fps but this company's done full re-releases for new generations, VV is already a re-release so all that's needed is a bit more support

>>712782591
It's not just the fps cap but the game isn't made for the switch 2's higher resolution either so a lot of the game looks blurry and the AA is just flat out bad. Like the game is uglier on switch 2 and it can only run on 30 fps. Like if you want to play the game in a better state than how it is on the switch, your best option is steam deck, not switch 2 at all.

This is a 120 hour game because for this to be good, you need to play the game twice.

>>712730219
I prefer Beelzebub.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK72sfCwkOo

>>712782991
I played Nocturne right before Vengeance dropped and boy this nigga jumpscared the shit out of me

>>712774089
I think they're meant to be angels. Specifically angels that's serve the Great Will not YHVH. So think of Lucifer like regaining his angelic status when he absorbed YHVH's knowledge. And it's fitting because that means Yoko is basically a fallen angel. You know with all the Eden and snake imagery around her, it just fits. I think it needs a better explanation than that in game but it makes sense to me seeing as all 3 of them share the Matter race.

>>712778742
>CAR BAD

>>712783518
They also all have wings.

>>712758010
At this point, I find it insane people would rank 3 remotely high unless its their first SMT game in the 00s and its treated like how FF7fags treat the FF series.

>>712732447
>the worst mainline SMT 2
This is a Neutralfag.

>>712783717

>>712738747
Best Caddy Stew

>>712783841
Its a pure distilled AAA jrpg from the pre smartphone era and it does almost everything right effortlessly. I'd like to give 4 and SJ a chance but I dont like gaming on a small screen. V I just would never put over 3 even if it has years of polished combat enhancements and hindsight

>>712739094
I can't believe they spent the night in his dorm room together....

Wonder if we'll get more dlc bosses, marici is probably the best track in the game

>>712786131
Switch 2 is out and it desperately needs an upgrade for SMTVV, so it's not off the table

I wish SMT2's plot was applied to a different game because I simply don't find 2 fun to play. Maybe replaying it will change my mind but the first time I was out of it by the end.

>>712788604
Do you not know IV exists?

>>712788604
It's not a very engaging game in most departments. You have to appreciate schizo dungeons to enjoy it.

>>712746145
dude was channeling baki writing ts

>>712788683
Close, but not quite the same feel. Maybe that's because I picked Neutral in IV and Law in II. YHVH fight was reserved for IVA, and despite liking anime shit it was only interesting once the massacre route started. By the way YHVH's dungeon is horrible fuck that.

>>712789150
IV's story is a very downgraded and watered down version of II but it is still the closest thing that exists to a II remake.

>>712746434
I remember spending hours doing huge fusion chains in Devil Survivor for the optimal demons with good skills. I did the Chaos route first, which certainly made that worse but it was worth it.

Hopefully the next game has an MC design that isn't god awful.

>>712728393
Amanozako? More like Amanosexo!

>>712792814
And isn't gay

>>712793049
God awful, that's what I said yeah.

>>712793049
>>712793141
They will make the next MC a girl. Watch

>>712793265
Doi already tried and V clearly shows he failed.

>>712793265
I would unironically rather a female protagonist than an effeminate male.

>>712793049
>schizo murderous gay boy protagonist that wants to fuck a robot but hates the modern world as much as Yoko does
Listen, mentally ill characters are exactly what SMT is known for. It started all the way back with Nakajima and I'm glad we have a little werido high school delinquent back. Everything said about him in the demon haunt is very entertaining.

>>712727845 (OP)
The vanilla game was bad, you could clearly tell Atlus undercooked the game and spent too many resources trying to make all of those big areas of Tokyo you get to run through and explore. They couldn't even bother with having any real alignment choices whatsoever, you get to the end and the game explicitly asks you which route you want to finish the game on. Vengeance tries to fix most of the issues, mainly the story, but it still has the underlying issue of being built on top of the vanilla game and more importantly it expects you to have already beaten the vanilla game to actually understand all of the new content that happens.
Fuck Satan's fight and all the shitty ass micromanagement bullshit you have to do. Demi-fiend ain't got shit on him.

>>712794108
Ok so just play CoC first?

>>712794227
Having to play an underbaked campaign to play the actual campaign which is like 1.2 times different isn't good design.

>>712794445
Vengeance added enough improvements to the original route to make it worth playing though.

>>712794489
As someone who did it back to back I respectfully disagree.

>>712727845 (OP)
SMTV on the Switch was a legitimate 2-3/10. Blatantly unfinished piece of garbage running at single digit FPS while looking like a total abomination.
SMT V Vengeance on PC or PS5 is a 7/10.

>>712728314
That's just /v/ culture in general. Most will hate a game, but the important part is if everyone discusses more about the gameplay and the story than about how much they hate it for obvious made up reasons.

>>712733273
IV types are the contrarians of our era. They will always live in the shadow of SMT Apocalypse no matter how much they prop up SMT IV.

>>712735879
>>712735931
That's every Video Game. Trans are in every single autistic game possible. We will not escape them until year 7 or 10.

>>712744490
Depends what you value but yes. SMT is if you value the world build, routes, and demons. Persona is if you value the relationships and slice of life Anime elements.

4 was the best, 4a sucked a fuck

>>712737457
which one are you, anon?

>>712746731
Raidou is really good from a gameplay perspective. The fact that it was neither good at strategy and turn based was a bad thing. But now that it's an action with strategy elements it makes it a superior game to the original. Besides perfection is the enemy of the good and your post is proof of it.

>>712737457
fortnite is go tho, just because you hate something doesnt make you right

>>712750468
If there is a series that always needs to do rereleases and improves upon them it's SMT. SMT III releases, Japanese audiences say it's lacking and it's a straight line, SMT Maniax releases to Japan and US to huge fanfare. SMT V is not that good because nobody knows much about the character motives, SMT VV explains them and improves the gameplay by making it quicker. It's just crazy to think about that Persona does the opposite but SMT proves that they can make something better if given a second chance.

>>712751909
Persona 2 is kind of oldschool it's a product of it's time you can tell. I would recommend you to just play the more modern versions of these games including Persona. Starting with Persona 4 Golden or perhaps the Remake whenever it comes out.

>>712796342
1 and 2 is sick, they took away the grid and put girls in. 3 onwards sucks

>>712796087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_eDxflkMc

>>712796087
https://youtu.be/POKA2u5EY7c
Filtered.

>>712796469
Are you of the homosexual variety?

>>712796640
you just say buzz words, a shit game is a shit game faggot

>>712796678
no i just like games that challenge

>>712796691
Faggot is a buzzword you casual.

>>712796735
you would know all about faggots wouldnt you homo

>>712796730
On not being straight?

>>712796785
you are a child i bet you love them

>>712794489
it really didn't
it is literally 75% the same game

>>712797610
>it is literally 75% the same game
That's enough change for me. I bought the game, I'm going to play both routes.

When are the Atluskikes/Segakikes cut the price of the game?

I'm not paying more than $10