Thread 712729885

Is emulation/piracy morally correct?

Who cares? Morality is a human construct.

What causes this phenomenon?

I don’t care what you do but it’s an objective fact that if you pirate games you’re a poor nigger.

>>712730010
the other boards are too overmoderated to allow criticism of pirates.

I don't care or view it as a moral obligation. I like free shit so I can use my money to invest in stuff that gets me more money.

I only pirate from companies that supported BLM in 2020.

>>712729885 (OP)
depends on the circumstances
>>712730010
>I am silly

>>712729885 (OP)
Third world PC gaming Southeast Asia, Africa, South America, Eastern Europe thread

>>712729885 (OP)
Do I look like I give a fuck?

>>712729885 (OP)
>Own
You dont own anything in this life, god does

>>712729885 (OP)
Yes. We don't even own hardware any more since it can be bricked at will for wrong thought.

>>712730010
even tho gaming has become a bigger industry than Hollywood but oh man hope those poor programers in L.A don't starve.This is exactly the reason why I pour my soul out to scammers and mentally deranged people and then they just avoid me because fuck your problems

Are vidya companies justified in putting anti-piracy measures in their products?

>>712729885 (OP)
No, but it is neutral when used as a response to other morally incorrect actions.
Bring back demo disks. Let me try the fucking game before I dump half of my disposable income for the week on it.
I'd ask to bring back reviewers with integrity, but that ship has sailed.

>>712730010
Who's the first one?

>>712732483
/zak/

>>712730010
tendie bootlickers, that's an easy one, no xbot or snoy ever gave a fuck about emulation and most are for it as a means to preserve games so you're not spending hundreds of dollars from some greedy 2nd hand seller to get older games or renting it as a subscriber

>>712729885 (OP)

Emulation for preservation purpose? Of course

Piracy? No

>>712729885 (OP)
It used to not be but lately companies have become so unbelievably scummy that piracy somehow became morally justifiable

>>712729885 (OP)
Yes, a pirate is a lost customer so it was never money you were going to get. A pirate can even become a funnel for additional income, through merchandising or some other media-adjacent activity.

Sometimes a pirate has no other recourse to get your product, and pirating generates word of mouth that will actually lead to sales down the road. The Secret of Mana series is the perfect example: the second game was never released in English until recently, so people literally had no other way to play it other than ROMhacking. Now that it's released, the game wouldn't have had the penetration if not for the work of pirates.

"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."

>>712729885 (OP)
Irrelevant. The social contract has been breached. Companies abandoning their obligation to ethics has freed me from mine.

>>712729885 (OP)
If Crapcum refuses to remaster or make an HD collection of older MH titles, then they can go fuck themselves I'm emulating Freedom Unite and P3rd anytime I feel like it.
Worlds and Wilds are trash.

>>712735187
Were you caring about preserving games when you was gloating about playing ToTK before release?
Shitposting aside, when Bloodborne was shown to be working on an emulator with 60fps there was some groups here and there who complained about it and demanded Sony to remove it or sue them.
Basically there's always going to be a loud minority no matter what and they usually get ignored anyway.

I want tht products but I don't want to spend moeny and for companies to get money so I pirate.

I'm don't spend money on something I can't resell.

>>712729885 (OP)
Morally correct?
No.
Hardworking people put their time in money in it and now they are unable to profit from it because you decided to be selfish.

>>712729885 (OP)
Always morally correct unless its a GOOD game made with love by a single indie. Stardew valley is a good example of this. The developer did almost everything alone, coding, art, music, etc. I think the only thing chucklefish helped with was implementing the online

Who cares?

>>712737860
me as the faggot(sometimes)
I've pirated several games that I liked so much I ended up buying it despite it not being my intent initially

Jesus was a piratechad
If you don't pirate you will burn in hell
Simple as

>>712730010
/v/ is full of goysloppers, nintendiddlers and paid shills

>>712729885 (OP)
You can pirate all you like, but you can't complain when game design changes to cater to the kind of people who buy games, instead of you.

>>712730010
more accurate /v/ corpo shills response:
>You're brown
>are you poor?

If you don't buy their shovelware denuvo infested slop. and you talk about pirating [game] you'll get these type of responses

>>712739303
Its already been proven that woke tards dont buy games so your statement is null.

>>712739303
>but you can't complain
But I can

>>712739442
It's always so obvious how they're trying to fit in with the edgy 4chan crowd.

>>712730340
>First worlders are cucks who waste money on free products
>Their countries are also overrun by rapefugees murdering their women
Makes you think

>>712739745
They are the biggest goysloppers and proud of it. It's absolutely sickening to watch these manchildren pretend like they're anything but mindless drones.

>>712730010
Gaymers are the most retarded coomzoomers.
Yeah liking a game is fine, liking a company that makes games you like is fine. But shilling for free said stuff or getting mad because people criticize these game/company or because people demands better/more from said company is mental illness.

>>712739913
>getting mad because people criticize these game/company
sportsballers literally murder each other over muh team
go wear the opposing team's jersey to a big game
they're infinitely more retarded goycattle than gamers

>>712729885 (OP)
Yes, SPECIALLY if it's nintenbro

depends
if it's an old game and the devs don't get paid for it, it's fine
if it's a nintendo game and they expect you to buy weak toy hardware for it, it's fine
if you hate the circumstances around it like the developer or publisher being scummy or maybe you live in a shithole with worthless currency and regional pricing is bad or anything else of that nature where you would've never paid for it if it wasn't an option, it's fine
if you enjoyed it and the only thing you lost by buying it is some money which the developer deserved then it's nigger behavior

>>712739508
A nonzero amount of woke tards buy games. Zero pirates buy games.

>>712729885 (OP)
It is your moral obligation to NOT support greedy anti-human corporations.

>>712729885 (OP)
I just love stealing

>>712735187
There’s plenty of mods put there that don’t work with pirated copies.

prating is immoral but I do not fault poors from partaking
>I would have paid $100 dollars for this 20 year old game if it went to the original developers
said no one ever

>>712729885 (OP)
It's correct in that I want to play games for free.

Manchildren literally love developers more than their own family.

>>712730010
It's because the rest of those boards don't screech at you when you buy something

>>712740315
Sony never made me go to church on Sundays to pray to a skydaddy

>>712730174
>/g/ is ascended enough to use FOSS, but they pirate DAW programs. Everyone is fine with it
>/mu/ is pirating music. Everyone is fine with it
>/a/ reads manga on pirate sites. Everyone is fine with it.
>/tv/ pirates series and movies. Everyone is fine with it.
>/lit/ pirates books. Everyone is fine with it.
>/v/ pirates games. Some anons think these pirates should burn in hell
I hope the tendies, the troonies, and the moralfags who read this to understand that they are one retarded vocal minority that nobody takes them seriously. Everyone just keep on pirating and don't give a shit about it.

>>712729885 (OP)
Yes
Modern games are extremely anti-consumer

>>712729885 (OP)
I do not care about the morality of it. I will simply keep pirating.

>>712740482
Not sure if this is sarcasm or you're actually that much of a manchild

It doesn't matter if it's morally correct, because it is your right. Asking "morality" about your own rights is kinda like chasing red herrings.

Nothing will stop me from doing it anyway

>>712740665
/tv/ even shares links to pirated movies. You'd never see that on /v/. The resetera troons and /pol/fags are both moralfags

>>712740665
But none of those boards have to deal with PC vegans

>>712740921
I know, right? /tv/ will be the first to give me the heads up evrry time a movie gets released on pirate sites. These anons over there are truly solid lads.
Also, lets not forget that there is a fucking board here dedicated to sharing pirated stuff here, meaning that 4chan will always be pro-piracy, and all the antipiracy moralfags are barking in the wrong site

>>712741181
The worst kind of pirate is the pirate who doesnt keep his pirate habits on the down low, but triumphantly posts his activities on social media because his is high on his own farts.

Well enjoy it while it lasts. I am 100% positive zoomers and alphas will kill piracy with their lack of technical knowledge, corporate brainwashing and need to display everything on social media.
It was nice while it lasted though

>>712729885 (OP)
who cares about being morally correct just do it turbo fag

>>712729885 (OP)
yeah, these companies make more money than god and in the case of older games, it's sometimes the only way to actually play.

If you pay for the game beforehand, then yes it is by all metrics morally correct. Piracy is a great tool so you can continue playing the game you purchased, without a subscription service taking it away from you. Look how Ps3 and WiiU and 3DS adopters got screwed over, with purchases eternally stuck to their consoles. A rational company would let you transfer purchases forward, but not these schmucks.

>>712729885 (OP)
>Is emulation/piracy morally correct?
Just about as morally correct as borrowing a game from a friend.

>>712729885 (OP)
As a matter of fact, yes.

>pirating from a publisher/dev you don't like
based
>pirating from devs you like and whose games you enjoy
cringe broke ass bitch

>>712729885 (OP)
Why are many zoomers so against emulation?
Is it because they're so tech illiterate?

>>712729885 (OP)
It doesn't matter, morality is a myth.

>>712744896
Gen Z is alright, it's gen alpha that doesn't know anything. All that Skibidi and toilets messed their brain up.

>>712730010
That’s ALL discussion on /v/ doesnt matter the subject
>Hey guys I picked up this game and it seemed prettty coo—
>WHAT THE FUCK YOU BOUGHT THE GOYSLOP JEETINATOR 9000 WOKE FLOP NIGGERCATTLE EXTREMITY? YOU SHOULD FUCKING DIE AND HAVE EVERY LIMB TORN FROM YOUR BODY WHILE EVERY ORIFICE IS CRAMMED FULL OF SHIT AND PISS
>oh no I was talking about Lemmings for DOS
>oh nvm neat yeah that one is a classic, enjoy!

>>712744896
>Is it because they're so tech illiterate?
That's a huge part of it. Shills, grifters, streamers and other unsorted guerrilla marketers either scared them (it's illegal!, contain viruses!) or fooled them (quality is shit, missed content, etc) to be against piracy and emulation.

If you purchased the product already I think it is ethical and fine to pirate it. If you want a product but the IP owner isn't providing you with the means to purchase it, then that is ethical to pirate. I'm thinking of the first four .hack games. You can only get those on the aftermarket at egregious prices because they didn't even provide a digital download version. To me that is a signal that it's a free for all, the IP owner is simply too incompetent to be entrusted with the product.

If you pirate and play the whole fucking game and never purchase it yeah you are kind of a piece of shit but in the grand scheme of things you're like a remora piece of shit on a massive blue whale piece of shit.

>>712730010
Video game fags are holier-than-thou pussies who think their entertainment medium isn't just consumable, but an artform. It's also why so much of the vidya industry is left-leaning.

Who cares about morals in this case, the thing with piracy is that a majority of people who pirate keep their business of pirating whatever to a minimum, only discussing such things in the appropriate circles. Gaming piracy is one of those things that people put on blast in such a way that normalfags notice it.

Going on social media talking about how it's better to "emulate" said games especially when said games aren't officially out is a way to get into trouble and some here don't realize this.

>>712744896
Most stuff that's easily emulated are nintendo games, and we know how Tendies are.

>>712745585
>Going on social media talking about how it's better to "emulate" said games especially when said games aren't officially out is a way to get into trouble and some here don't realize this.
What the fuck are they going to do?

>>712745479
>If you are on a discord with 10 people one of them knows how to teach you
With this infographic made for tweens? Yeah let me go ask the 40 year old groomer in my tranny server how to insert my buttplug too

>>712729885 (OP)
>>712730010
Most publishers are evil, but a lot of pirates are obnoxious posting crap like 'I love pirating indie games'

>>712745678
Gee I dont know, you see what happened to the Ryujinx and Yuzu teams that got forcefully disbanded? Stop running your mouth in public spaces about how much you love to steal. It can and will be used against you if anyone ever decides to get the authorities involved. The smart thing to do for yourself and everyone involved is to not brag about it on public spaces, unless you WANT this shit to get shut down? For the longest time pirates were sensible enough to understand this, but these new zoomers are so obnoxious about signalling on goycial media with “LOOK MOM AND DAD IN A PIRATE NOW” and then people get surprised when their super secret hacker discord gets infiltrated with literal spies and goons are flying down to brazil to knock on the lead hackers door. They fucked up bigtime and it would have been if these people kept a low profile, but they did the opposite. They straight up told Nintendo in responses to their corporate tweets when and how and where they’re pirating from, the fucking idiots.

>>712729885 (OP)
Yes, it's an adequate response to the industry trying to scam people into buying games by making false claims and buying reviews. Consumers lose more money by getting tricked into buying shit than the industry does from a gamecopy magically multiplying.

>>712745797
why isnt it okay to pirate indie games? Either it’s okay to steal them all or it’s not okay to steal period.

>>712746271
I disagree. It's ok to steal from Ubisoft or EA gaymes, same how it's ok to steal from Musk or Wallmart family, but it's bad from steal from Bob who owns a small bakery.

Piracy only works if you have enough people buying the game to make it worth it for the studio. If too many people pirate, it’s going to bring the whole show down. You should be glad that normies are willing to buy games, they keep the show running. If everyone pirated, there would be no new games being made other than DRM filled live service crap

>>712729885 (OP)
It is when I do it. Everything I do is good because it's me doing it.

>>712744896
>Is it because they're so tech illiterate?

>>712729885 (OP)
Yes, all commercial media should be immediately archived and accessible to anyone who can figure how torrents work.

I think part of it is just that there is nothing to pirate. Youtube already surpassed Disney in the key user demo. Kids care about 30 seconds videos, not movies and TV shows, kids care about watching streamers, not playing singleplayer experiences, etc. As my younger co-workers might say, "get with the times, unc". And I think they are correct. If you want the youth to pirate things then it is on our generation to make things worth pirating.

>>712729885 (OP)
>teach kids that sharing is good
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T SHARE THE SOFTWARE OF BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES

>>712729885 (OP)
I miss it, bros...

>>712746384
My question is why would you even want to play shitty EA and Jewbisoft games?

What happens when Bob’s bakery becomes a franchise and he opens up another store? Where do you draw the line. When bob has ten stores across the country, is it okay to steal from him then?

So it’s bad to steal from small teams. What if the indie team is 50 people large, is that large enough to steal from? I guess that makes them double AA. It doesnt matter so why not just steal them all? I thought it wasnt affecting anyone so why does it matter

>>712746665
But the anti-empathy people are the corporate bootlickers.

>>712746772
>anti-empathy
>advocates stealing from people trying to sell a product they made with their own swear and tears

>>712746595
The cold hard truth is that we have nothing to offer outside of progressive occultism and ideological conflict.

>>712747073
its not stealing
people who pirate represent a group of people who weren't going to buy the game anyway proven year over year that stricter anti-piracy doesn't improve sales
publishers and storefronts didnt make the game
giving sony, microsoft, valve, etc money to run a storefront is more morally bad than pirating (which is again, morally neutral at worst and morally good if you're not retarded and understand the importance of archiving media)

>>712746693
Because some older EA and Ubisoft games are good-ish.


>hat happens when Bob’s bakery becomes a franchise and he opens up another store?
Most don't, most of the CEO's and billionaires come from familia money

>>712729885 (OP)
without a doubt.
if everyone followed copyright law, we'd have lost countless video games, including the satellaview's library and anything on PSN/XBLA/VC
copyright is a gigantic tumor on society

>>712739442
>>712739647
Lol coping poorfags. Console and Denuvochads keep winning.

>>712746693
>food analogy
>physical object analogy
It's not stealing. Pirating would be closer to someone figuring out the recipe then sharing that with everyone if you must make a food analogy.

>>712729885 (OP)
"Moral" It's just common fucking sense

>>712730010
Don't care, not going to read any of that you sharty trash

>>712748586
No, because if you just figure out a recipe there's still variance and the final product won't be exactly the same as the legit one.

I pirate because i genuinely hate developers and want them to lose money

>>712729885 (OP)
I would have never watched the Kachou if it wasn't for Pirated fansubs.

>>712749038
I don't pirate, but this is why I like AI. Fuck developers. Power to the people!

>>712748883
How? You really think I can't make a loaf of bread as good as anyone else?

>>712750014
What do you mean how? Have you ever built or created anything at all? The process is often just as important as the end result and directly impacts it. You could know the instructions but how you carry it out can change the output. Your analogy never made sense regardless because it is just trivializing a complex work.

>>712750324
>Have you ever built or created anything at all?
Yeah I've made bread before. I'm challenging the analogy presented. I can 1:1 literally any baked good I'm supposedly stealing by following a recipe.

>>712729885 (OP)
forever and always; ignore the corporate shills

>>712729885 (OP)
Ethics is about maximizing good.
If you don't pirate ever, you lose a million of games that you could've enjoyed e.g. the entire DS catalog, if you can't find/buy a DS on sale right now. This extends to other consoles that aren't on sale rn. 10000 bajoules of enjoyment is sucked out of the universe.
If you do pirate, the compound effect is that a dev somewhere loses 0.000000000000000000000000001 cent and you're taking that much of a dev's enjoyment -> 0.00001 joules of enjoyment.
Your 10000 bajoules > those 0.00001 joules. Therefore, it's ethical to pirate.

meh

For certain companies

You all talk about "the poor small indie" and it's always some shit advertised everywhere. That are selling some incredibly lame game like Shovel Knight it isn't that innovative or good. I wish I had as much marketing and was as ""poor"" as those people who have every fucking journo talk about them.
tbqh those people are fucking rich. They're not my friendly bakery. You fell for carefully constructed marketed they themselves made and spread through multiple journous to make themselves look good.

>>712753246
> Shovel Knight it isn't that innovative or good
This. That game should be sued for false advertisement. It plays nothing like an old school platforms, it's amazing how games like Ninja Gaiden on the NES is still not recreated.

>>712729885 (OP)
Yes. If buying isn't owning, stealing isn't immoral, and piracy even more so.

>>712729885 (OP)
i refuse to buy games sight unseen and demos havent been reliable representation of the end product in years
piracy is the last recourse of the informed consumer

>>712746687
>he hasn't found one of the many forks
skill issue I'm afraid

>>712730010
>vidya is also a market for DRM
>a certain DRM company is highly invested in all kinds of aggressive and/or shady marketing
Literal shills

>>712755397
look goy, you're being anti-semetic again. delete your post before we find out where you live or you'll be sorry.

>>712755853
>look goy, you're being anti-semetic again. delete your post before we find out where you live or you'll be sorry.

>>712730340
unironically soul

>>712729885 (OP)
If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.

And even if it was, I'd still do it.

>>712729885 (OP)
Aiding western society is morally incorrect. Anything you can do to subvert it is morally correct.
A man of character should spend his life either building up or tearing down, depending what he deems most righteous under the circumstances.
>>712729958
construct these nuts white nigga

>>712756460
>if buying isn't owning,
you're basically stating that you don't own your games. stop being retarded

>>712756778
bro...

>>712749038
Based

>>712756778
Anon, you fucking retard, that's what corporations have been saying for the last decade. Ubisoft is the biggest culprit of this bullshit.
It is not a statement of my belief.

>>712729885 (OP)
yes
why the hell would i waste valuable money buying a video game?

>>712757547
you claim pirating isn't stealing on the condition that buying isn't owning
the truth is buying is owning and pirating is not stealing
in conclusion, you are a retard undermining your own rights

>>712757810
I never said their statement was true you faggot, just that their logic justifies piracy itself as a non-moral issue.

Also, doesn't matter because the corps will take your bought games regardless of if you own them or not, because they're the thieves.

>>712758059
>corpos insist that buying games is not owning
>you accept that you have no rights (see tos, eulas, etc.) and use this a justification to pirate
>you should instead be fighting back and saying that buying is owning and that piracy is not theft
my last (You)

It's an obligation

>>712758847
Buying just about anything is not owning. It's not just games, it's all media. Just because you bought a blu-ray disc for a movie doesn't give you the right to distribute copies of that movie. Likewise, "owning" a game doesn't actually give you ownership of that game as an intellectual property. You don't have the right to make and distribute copies, just as you don't have the right to distribute copies of books, TV shows, films, music or art. You never had those rights in the first place.

The only reason this has become such a hot topic is because video games are pretty much the only medium that forces you sign off on a disclaimer telling you what your rights are. These disclaimers exist in books and movies as well, but no one ever really reads them so no one ever cared.

>59741
>corporate bootlicker goes full mask off
you hate to see it

>>712730010
Tendies, saying it’s anything else is bad faith ignoring the reality. They’re the ones who seethe about piracy, seethe about emulation, and started forcing the vegan meme because of their asspain at the first two.

>>712760850
Are Zoomers this retarded?

>>712729885 (OP)
When developers tried, and when the gaming wasn't a share holder/ investor circle jerk?
No.
Now?
Yes.

>>712760850
That's bullshit and I don't believe it.

>>712760850
I masturbate with my webcam on

I make games, they're free.
take a penny leave a penny.

>>712760923
>>712761019
Literally ask chatgpt and it will tell you all of that is possible.

>>712740921
>You'd never see that on /v/.
I've seen some gofile links for games on /v/. Sometimes shortly after they were cracked.

>>712761690
>Ask ChatGPT

Oh shit, you guys ARE that retarded.

>>712761690
FYI, most of your programs installed on your computer, even the "legitimate" ones, are already doing that.

>>712729885 (OP)
I don't care.

>>712744896
>>712745049
did both of you retards completely miss that tiktok tutorials were the reason nintendo has gotten more postal towards emulation as of late?

>>712729885 (OP)
I buy indie games that haven't struck it rich (paid for Stardew Valley on release day but wouldn't bother if I was trying it today) and pirate anything where the creators got paid up front and any proceeds go to other people/shareholders. Feels right to me.

>>712729885 (OP)
It's morally correct for AAA games that are more than $59,99, it's morally correct for AA games that are more than $39,99, and it's morally correct for indie games that are more than $14,99

>>712762306
/g/ will tell you too.
>>712762447
That's why you only use FOSS.

>>712762961
>FOSS.
Anon the copy of Windows itself your computer is running on is also doing it.
>Inb4 "I'm running linux" No you aren't faggot, you're too tech illiterate for that.

>>712730010
Turn fans into worshippers, or something like that.

Remember when everyone used to shit on Microsoft for making you pay to use your internet connection, but now that's just the norm? What about the times when MTX were just Todd's feverdream, and games had server browsers so that you could, you know, find a genuine COMMUNITY to play your vidya with? I remember, and by God do I miss those servers sometimes.

>>712729885 (OP)
>emulation/piracy
Two different things. Emulation is legal despite what Nintendo says. (Nintendo's board of directors is not your country's legislature.)
As for piracy, I don't care what you do, but I think it's funny when you guys insist that piracy doesn't affect sales while a bunch of you also have a habit of screeching at people who buy games that they should stop buying and just pirate their games instead because "look how easy it is and it's free" — essentially doing their best to stage a live demonstration of piracy affecting actual sales.

>>712763109
Literal scamming jeets put that kinda malware on computers all the time and you think the russian hackers cracking games aren't?

>>712763725
No, but I'm not so tech illiterate I'm not totally incapable of bare minimum self protection.

You might as well be Amish and just live your life free of tech if you're so scarred shitless of Ivan knowing that you jerk off to blacked porn three times a day.
With the bare minimum amount of fucking tech literacy, you're not going to get your computer jacked full of ransomware.

>>712764347
Tech literacy? Such as avoiding all pirated software because it's undoubtedly bitcoin miners and spyware. Crackers literally have nothing to gain and everything to lose otherwise.

>>712745479
>Video game fags are holier-than-thou pussies who think their entertainment medium isn't just consumable, but an artform.
If you think that's exclusive to vidya, you're fucking retarded.
>It's also why so much of the vidya industry is left-leaning.
They're left-leaning because creatives tend to be left-leaning (yes, despite all the coding and math required, video games are ultimately a creative industry.)

>>712729885 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXbzktx1KfU