Thread 712743318

Are you ready for Turtle WoW killer, /v/ros?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v4dOsUxIsA
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v4dOsUxIsA

>>712743318 (OP)
kys poorfag

>>712743680
At least I don't have to choose between bOdY TyPeZ but traditional gender:
>Male a.k.a. Superior
>Female a.k.a. Inferior

>>712743318 (OP)
Came here to call this gay but it actually looks pretty kino

>>712743318 (OP)
>still playing wow in 2025

Is it fun? Give me a rundown, not gonna watch your videos

>>712744051
classic+ with 3.3 client (so not the dogshit 1.12 turtle client)

>>712744051
Officially starts at 26. this month.
Uses Wotlk Client, Tbc talent trees, but it's Vanilla+.
Got Undead Pala, and palas got specific seals per races. Got other class/race combos.
Ton of new dungeons/raids, items rebalanced.

>>712744183
What do I need to play?

>>712743318 (OP)
You WoW Fags really need to let go holy shit. WoW was a dogshit MMO when it released in 2004, the fact that you retards are still emotionally attached to it in 2025 is insane. You're worse than FF14 trannies.

>>712743318 (OP)
Why the fuck would you ever assume anyone would play this for any reason, free or otherwise?

>>712744183
>Uses Wotlk Client, Tbc talent trees, but it's Vanilla+
the website says it delves into the tbc and wotlk addons as well. does that mean that flying mounts will kill open world pvp yet again? also, how is tbc talent trees going to work with dk?
>>712744346
>saying holy sh*t
opinion discarded.

>>712744043
True, the enlightened /v/ poster has evolved beyond the need for video games and sustains his intellectual persuits entirely by raging in steam chart/twitter screen cap threads and of course the one thousand fotm game threads that pop up whenever some studio decides to run It's bot. Even now you're wasting your time when you could be in a Stellar Blade thread crying about it being woke or based and aryanpilled.

It has no blood/high elves therefore it will be inferior to Turtle wow.

>discord needs phone number to chat
Ayy lmao. At least it has 5k people online in there so the server seems to not be a flop population-wise whenever the servers go up.

>>712744183
It's 26th of july not june.

>>712744539
They literally have all the class changes on their site, you can check the new/changed abilities and talents for every class. Obviously there's no flying and no dk since It's a vanilla server, they just use the wrath client because It's a lot better and tbc talent shell since It allowed for more diverce play than the vanilla one.

>>712743318 (OP)
I hope the players have fun

>>712744183
>26. this month.
Bro it's planned for july.

>>712744265
Get the 3.3.5us client, then update it through the Epoch launcher (or manually if you want). The update and registration servers are down for now though, and will probably open a week before launch so no hurry.

crazy how classic wow is still the closest anyone got to make an addicting online world with great progression. people tend to forget that 20 years ago bunch of nerds and normalfags were ready to destroy their life over it.

>>712744849
>>712745130
Mistake, s0z

>>712745215
Is this on the discord?

>>712745347
there's a channel with bunch of info there, yes.

>>712745240
yeah, there is a before and an after wow in MMOs, and even in gaming in general. Contrarians who pretend everquest and daoc were the peak of the genre are funny.

Damn I'm actually pretty stoked for this. Might go horde for the first time.

>>712745687
Actually nvm I want to go dwarf shaman and also horde will probably be flooded

We are gonna be playing this 100%

>>712745904
I think I'll go Dwarf Pala in a long while

Draenei?

>>712746078
Only Vanilla races as for now at least

>>712745240
Crazy how people can't look at it and figure out what went right.
Just ley people fucking play the game and explore, instantly.
In Vanilla you just log in and you're instantly running around Goldshire, playing the game.
In Retail you're in an instanced cutscene that has nothing to do with the current expansion's plot following some NPCs who you will never see again watching a shitty hour long movie while the game plays itself and the only other player you see is a Chinese gold seller.

>>712746078
if they get added they will be the normal Wc3 variant and not the retconeis

>>712746078
Stuck in Outland where they belong.

>>712746126
So did nu-Blizzard but you slupred that shit up

>>712744735
>no blood/high elves
As long as they aren't in MY horde I don't give a fuck

>>712746180
In Wc3 you only got Lost Ones, but keep in mind, Archimond and similar units are also Draenei, close to what is in WoW.

>>712744735
honestly good, the pretty girl race ruined the horde forever.

>>712746164
You also weren't harshly punished for dying with XP loss. They also had plenty of quests to get you invested into those early regions, make some friends and team up and then keep going into higher level zones afterwards even as the quests thinned out in the mid-high zones.

>>712746164
>in Retail you're in an instanced cutscene
what i noticed in replaying vanilla is the fact that the game has one single cutscene; the fucking intro. anything after is just you and you inside that world with no story bullshit disconnecting you from said world. compare it to these single-player story focused "mmo"rpgs and it explains why wow was so immersive. and that is not including the item progression, questing, walking to dungeons with a group of 5, hanging around towns reading chat, doing professions that actually make you money or better gear that you will wear for the forseeable future. i dont know how they made it (blizzard apparently dont know either) but everything just clicks even 20 years later. i tried playing turtle for a while and while i hate what they did with the game (alliance and horde are friendly and you can be in the same guild as others? just for faster raid grouping? fucking retards), i did have this feeling just like back then: hanging around in elwynn forest, doing a few quests, going to sw and learning two professions, going back and leveling them. and then it hit me. this feeling. it was fun. it was comfy. it kinda itched, i felt getting addicted again. oh, if the server only was better. i hope this one will be.

>Project Epoch introduces the Racial Knowledge system, letting you swap your racial abilities for those of another race. These new racial sets aren't just handed out they're unlocked through lore-rich, max-level questlines that take you across the world, immersing you in the culture, history, and challenges of the race you wish to adopt.
gating convenience behind max level + you have to go through their fanfic

>>712746985
>what i noticed in replaying vanilla is the fact that the game has one single cutscene
Good. It's a GAME, so what matter is the GAMEPLAY. If I want to watch something, I would be a movie or a tv show.

>>712746985
>no story bullshit disconnecting you from said world
Yes and no.
It's the same thing that makes Darks Souls or Elden Ring fun, both them and vanilla wow are packed full or lore and story for you to discover and unpack, but ONLY if you go digging for it. It never forces itself upon you.
Even if you skip every quest message, you can still feel the depth of the world around you, without it insisting upon itself, and if you go looking, you'll find it.

>>712747057
Some racials were anything but "convenience".

>>712744563
Playing braindead MMO trash was retarded even in the past. Play a game with some actual fun gameplay, goddamn.

I'm gonna be a dwarf shaman called youngnigga

>>712747259
the convenience is not having to lock yourself to a race just for the racials, dumdum

Not playing unless there's a HC server where only HC players can play. Give me that sweet sweet autistic rage whenever a high level dies.

>>712747057
at least they have it
probably one of the best trends in private server scene
now we need the same thing for professions
forced into engi + bs or whatever ALWAYS is such cancer
or fucking LW in TBC, disgusting

>>712747267
There are different type of "Fun Gameplay".
What i love about old WoW, it's that it is perfect embodiment what would Dungeons And Dragons TTRPG be in a videogame media:
>Exploration
>Atmosphere
>Class fantasy
>Social Roleplay
>Dungeons
>Dragons
>Guilds
>Character (player) reputation
>etc, etc.

>>712747397
Having the OP undead racial as a nightelf should not be considered convenience. And keeping it to max level at least makes you think which race to pick since you will be stuck with their passives until 60. That's how it should be.

Looks cool, I'll give it a go. Thanks for shilling it, I haven't heard of it.

>>712743318 (OP)
I hope they do a lot with the night/day thing they have going. Honestly I just really want one of these custom private servers to go full in on the leveling/survival aspects. Keeping a torch with you at night, sitting by campfires to keep warm, keeping near the roads to stay safe. Turtle WoW has the survival secondary profession but it's really just about sitting next to a tent for 10 minutes to get rested xp before doing anything which is kinda lame.

>>712747267
You think shit like Skyrim/Dark souls is peak gaming dont you?

>>712748135
Your wish is granted

https://www.project-epoch.net/news/lets-talk-time/
>https://www.project-epoch.net/news/lets-talk-time/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR5hf61Y81M
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR5hf61Y81M

>>712747209
i should have clarified that when i talk about "story bullshit" taking you out of the game, it is about "story cutscene bullshit". classic wow make you immerse yourself through your character in such a great way and it seems like they deliberately decided against things like story cutscenes to take you out of that feeling. besides wow, i played ffxiv since heavensward. and while the story was good for a long time, i never really felt immersed the way i did when playing classic wow. and while that is still true with other mmorpgs i played over the decades, ffxiv is just an example for how story cutscenes kills your connection to the world, while it - ironically -tries to immerse you in the world and story through cutscenes. a big lmao.

>wotlk client with tbc talents in vanilla
so what can I expect of it, with features such as dungeon finder?

Solo player here so I like to play tanks
Already played warrior to death and tried out druid in turtle but it's boring as fuck.
How do prot paladins look here?
I can't find anything to help with their mana problems in their talent tree

>>712748993
I would guess Dungeon Finder would be like in TWoW, you find party with it for a dungeon, but you cannot teleport to it. However, Meeting stones unlike TWoW an original Vanilla isn't for nothing, but you could use stones to summon party members if 3 of you are already there. And things as such. Just a guess tho

>>712749029
You get Spiritual Attunement at least
I have no idea what the specifics of the reitemization but they reitemized stuff so you might see more Mp5 or tank get maybe.
Why are you asking when no one has played it?

>>712749029
>>712749029
I think they would be amazing. Got Spiritual Attunement and also Dwarf Pala Seal looks so good for thanking
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>>712746037

https://www.project-epoch.net/classes/paladin/
>https://www.project-epoch.net/classes/paladin/

That's all fine and good but will i be able to play with anons that will ERP with me?

>>712749167
what's TWoW?

>>712749464
Turtle WoW, lol.

>>712749464
Tranny WoW

>>712749167
If they somehow implement an actual dungeon finder that teleports you to the dungeons this server will be DoA.

I feel like finally breaking free from playing Druid and Warlock like I have for a decade. I know there are class overviews on Epoch's site, but for the people who played the beta tests, are there any really fun class changes I should keep an eye out for?
>what do you like to do
Tank, PvP, especially world PvP.

>discord is how they communicate

yeah, no thanks

>>712749529
Idk, I like exploring a path to dungeons, but I also find it a chose if you go many times to dungeons. So I guess they could add something like first time you need to get there on your own, and after that maybe a summon like in TBC but no need 3 ppl but 1 only would be great.

>>712743318 (OP)
Will they make shadowpriest good?

>>712746037
I'm not too convinced on the dwarf seal. 500 armor and 15% more hammer of wrath damage seems pretty crappy. The aoe damage on judgement is okay but you already have the best AoE threat in the game with consecration so it seems kinda redundant. Obviously undead have the best seal since it's seal of blood with another name

>>712744043
Classic and classic-aligned wow have good game design so I understand why people new and old keep coming back to it but retail wow? You need to be an idiot to play that.

>>712749572
I haven't played the beta, but Forsaken Paladin sounds like it would be cool, that's what I'm gonna roll with a long with my usual Forsaken Warlock.

>>712749697
I get your point but dungeons should be something special you do. A dungeonfinder that all it takes is a single click and you spam dungeons to level will have many negative side-effects to it.

>>712749708
they have the tbc version of vampiric touch so they're probably very good

>>712749720
It's vanilla content, and 500 is probably rank 1, also, on judgement it persist for 2 mins. Idk, i just find it so satisfying, like through Roleplay lences

>>712743318 (OP)
My buddy and I are looking forward to it. Been saving my vanilla pserver autism for this release since the changes look kind of interesting. Still deciding on Horde or Alliance but Undead Pally seems really appealing.

>>712749865
Not sure if it even has a 2nd rank since you get the first at 54. But yeah if you like roleplaying as a mountain king it could be cool

>>712749902
>but Undead Pally seems really appealing
It really does, sorta makes me want to make a roleplay guild of undead priests and pallies

>>712743318 (OP)
>turtle wow killer
aint no one playing that shit lol

>>712750019
My thought exactly!

I bet there will be guilds like this, I know ppl like all druid guilds, so all pally or pally+priests would be dope

Even Hunter only guilds, a bit hard to do, but pet tank with healers gear for improved Ment Pet, damn

>>712750101
haha so true tranny

>>712749362
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7PmFGaCu1E

>>712750173
>turtle wow is alive guys i swear
also nice projection lmao

>>712743318 (OP)
I'm ready to go back into the mines.

>>712750215
It probably is, because of bots, lmao

>>712750259
Why did we do it bros, he just wanted to toil. It's a simple life.

It has dual spec so I can level up as elemental/resto right?

>>712750215
>aint no one playing that shit lol
i thought you implied that no one will play this server.

>>712750167
Hell yeah, bro! I was thinking of going into the penitent themes. A bunch of holy men trying to redeem themselves for the atrocities they committed while slaves to the Lich King.

>>712750381
Most likely yes

no pearl no play

>>712750381
costs 1k gold which is pretty grim
on turtle it's 350
just level as ele and heal dungeons, you dont need talents to heal scarlet monastery

>>712744746
>d*scord server has 5k people online
Is that a good or bad thing?

>>712750534
Good God what are they thinking?
Levelling it the fun part of the game, why gimp it like this?
Let people play around with multiple specs.

>>712743318 (OP)

>never again will there be an Epilogue WoW
Strike the Earth, brothers, now and forever

>>712750565
Not great, not terrible. Perfect for me, don't like too crowded like on Warmane, so I fight with ppl to kill a mob

>>712750612
>>712750534
I'm guessing they're gonna rebalance the prices for that too

>>712749529
Dungeon finder works as it does in TBC.

You faggots better make a guild and it better have some good drama and erp

>>712750612
agreed. at least on twow respeccing is capped to 5g so even without the brainwashing device you can respec a ton before you'd match the 350g price tag and begin at a loss
if it goes up to 50g on epoch then there's just no point in respeccing, shame cause new talents usually means people want to try out the new stuff while leveling

>>712744746
Why randomly bring up discord? Do you need a discord account to play on epoch?

>>712750851
Tbc didn't have dungeon finder back in the day, it was introduced in Wotlk.
There was Looking for Group chat, and also Summoning Stones, so 3 ppl can summon the rest

>>712750936
Nah, he probably was gauging interest and possible population size.

>>712749529
If there isn't 1 person summoning stones or an option to teleport to the dungeon we will NOT be playing.

>>712750787
Just make it free, there's no harm in having it be baseline and there are better gold sinks you can come up with.
It's the thing that allows you to have a solo spec and a group spec, if you actually want to heal or tank properly you're getting fucked in the ass without dual spec.
Completely retarded decision and I'd love to hear the dev reasoning because most of their other decisions have seemed decent to me.

>>712744539
>the website says it delves into the tbc and wotlk addons as well. does that mean that flying mounts will kill open world pvp yet again? also, how is tbc talent trees going to work with dk
Are you actually retarded

>>712745547
>Contrarians who pretend everquest and daoc were the peak of the genre are funny.
I think it was the peak in terms of amazement factor. Logging into EQ in 1999 blew my mind way more than logging into Wow did in 2004. Wow was just a much better game. EQ did feel more immersive.

>>712750936
Nah, don't listen to him

>>712750995
good. there is retail for niggers like you

What happened to the WoW remake in Unreal Engine? Saw threads about it months/years ago

>>712750974
It's this thing.

Judging by the epoch discord activity, paladin is going to be the most played class by a fucking country mile especially if the Twow crowd migrates, over there paladins make up like 1/4 the entire population
So what class is going to hard counter these fuckers and their endless cleanses?

>>712750534
1k? Sounds like the devs needs some sort of goldsink on the servers, hmm I wonder why.. lmao

>>712751109
Everyone has played classic 100 times, pretending to enjoy slow bullshit isn't cool.

>>712751151
It's TWoW thing. I guess they're still developing it.

I wasn't excited for that desu. It's just a visual overhaul, and one of the reason i like old WoW is the old graphics

>>712751176
Warriors, Rogues, Shamans, Druids

>>712751173
Ahhh, yeah, I forgot. But it wouldn't teleport you into dungeon, just find party. Which is great imho

>>712751225
No one would pretend if ppl wouldn't actually enjoying it, don't be delusional

>>712751206
>>712751005
seems like they want it to be a gold sink
they way I see it is that I have to play something that can farm gold efficiently as my first character like lashers mage or else I'd be stuck doing slave labor for pennies mustering up 2k gold on a warrior for dual spec and epic riding

>>712751357
>>712751176
I'd say Hunters for leveling (as alt probably), and Warriors for endgame content, as always.

>>712751225
>I don't like it, so everyone who does must be pretending!
This is a big tell for autism

>>712749370
I don't totally understand what the seal does but spiritual attunement sounds good. Hopeful it's enough to not stop to drink every other pull in dungeons.
I don't think I'll dol any serious raiding

>>712751261
Oh I wasn't aware it was Turtle WoW, thought it was a brand new pserver doing it
I'm mostly interested by how it'll actually look and play, cool be interesting

>>712751434
Keep in mind, everything is rebalanced and it's based on Wotlk client. So more gold and faster, during leveling too. It's not as hc for gold farming as in original vanilla

anyone else think the whole "no racials its all just cosmetic" is kinda dumb
its just dumb homogenization, takes away flavor
vanilla racials are imbalanced but the solution isnt to just remove them, just tune them

>Dogfucker company troondlewow shills got so badly btfo they had to make their own thread
Kys zoophiles, this is Epoch board

>>712751434
I'm assuming they adjusted quest rewards and vendor prices then. 1k is pretty extreme for vanilla if I remember correctly.

>>712743318 (OP)
No, thx, I'm good with my personal server.

>>712746164
People only acted that way in vanilla because of the real life era itself. Go look at Classic. People zoomed and minmaxed to 60 in like 2 days. The only reason it didnt happen back in the day was purely because
>Lack of proper fleshed out wiki
>Way less mods available
>Dial up internet
>The concept of online worlds was still fresh

>>712751708
Most likely, as anon said:
>>712751587

>>712751587
ah, that's true. I could get static price items pretty quickly. I'm wondering what raid consumables will be like tho, if shit's mad expensive then it's back to needing a good money maker
on twow consumes don't go away on death and it's pretty fucking swell

do you guys think the server is gonna be 85% alliance like turtle?
I want to roll horde because obviously but if its gonna be such a low minority like in turtle it sucks

I can't wait to spend a month trying to get a hand of justice from brd

>>712751809
I sorta like it that way. A handful of us elite vs swarms of shitters with the occasional champion

>>712751809
It's really that lopsided? I always feel like horde was the high pop faction

>>712744735
This but goblins.

>>712751587
They restored 1.12 world state into the Wrath client, that includes quests and rewards. Sure there will be more quests, but don't expect to get hundreds of disposable gold from just questing alone.

>>712746037
>random immersion-ruining pvp balance design in a game that will never need it
the devs are already retarded
lol

>>712751943
I am slightly exaggerating but the official stats really are 70/30 in ally favor, and if you play with warmode on it REALLY feels

>>712751809
there's gonna be a surge of undead paladins, but with dwarf shamans and crossfaction, I expect the horde to be an even smaller minority
but maybe being able to grab another race's racials will mean less human players
or maybe even less undead as people pick the pretty elves with will of the forsaken

>>712751943
Only on PvP servers, tryhards need the horde racials.
Eliminate that factor and most people would rather not play a hideous beast, retarded cow or rotting corpse.

>>712751808
>>712751524
I'm also guessing there won't be raid attunements, which maybe unpopular opinion but I like it that way

>>712751809
I don't think so. The reason play alliance the most in vanilla(+), are the Paladins (myself included, it's my main).
But here, you gonna be able to be Undead Pala or Dwarf Shammy, so it could balance itself.
In worst case scenarion, they can do something to fix it, like cross-faction party/raid/bgs

Can you dps/tank pally if its using tbc talents?

>undead paladin and undead hunter
their starting zone is going to be so overcrowded at launch

>>712752068
>The reason play alliance the most in vanilla(+), are the Paladins
in troontle its the high elves AND the imbalanced pallys
over 50% alliance there is high elves

What’s the point when this shit is gonna die in like a week and you fags start shilling the next new server

>>712752161
>server has a new novelty
>people engage with it
Woah! Surprising!

>>712752202
It's not going to die trust me bro

>>712752094
Can someone explain why undead/human hunters were not a thing in vanilla? What was the justification?

>>712752202
Is that what you said about Turtle?

>>712752068
They already have crossfaction grouping.

>>712752202
People have been following the development of this server for years and there's still hype for it, It's not dying.

>>712752068
>like cross-faction party/raid/bgs
I hate this shit. I enjoy me some good world PvP, and as a result people are less likely to party with me if I've killed them before.

>>712752315
you are responding to /wpsg/ furry sodomite shill

>>712752258
Undead are hurt when they try to use the light or are healed by it. All forsaken priests are canonically shadow as a result. Hunters aren't explained much but I assume animals aren't keen around undead and undead probably suck at tracking depending on how their senses are dulled.

It's just gonna be nice to have some fresh non-solved content in the vanilla framework

>>712752258
there was an arbitrary cap of 6 classes per race then as they probably wanted the players to play different races

>>712752258
Engine limitations, they literally didn't have room for them in the character creation. Also dwarf mages were supposed to be in vanilla, but the devs thought Alliance races had too many race/class options compared to Horde, and cut dwarf mages for some reason.

>>712751809
Whys it matter which side is more populated? It's not a pvp server and everything is cross faction. You can join parties, guilds, raids and even talk and trade with the other faction. The AH is also cross faction and you can have characters on both factions on the same server.

Hunter or Priest first? The lone wolf or the heart of the party.

>>712752397
>All forsaken priests are canonically shadow as a result.
Nah, the old player guide book said there's still plenty of holy/discipline undead priests. They power through the pain by faith and zeal.

>>712752470
It's not fun playing an MMO being the only dude sitting alone in Orgrimmar because the entire server rolled Alliance.

>tbc abilities and talent trees but in vanilla
kinda weird

>>712752228
server also has goblins as a new novelty and theyre 0.00002% of the total population
just accept you wanna play a pretty elf lady

>>712752470
Can either faction take the other's quests and use their towns? Part of leveling is grouping with people for quests, and that's rendered impossible with cross faction grouping.

>>712743318 (OP)
>Undead paladin
Oh, but better you mean "just kill the lore completely"

>>712752859
But enough about retail.

>>712752519
Paladin. Their buffs will always be infinitely better than priest buffs. Specifically, undead paladin.

>>712752657
Makes sense since most specs in vanilla weren't even functional. Not suboptimal, not non-viable, they just didn't work (and always for the same reason, no mana regen)

>>712752793
No, but the irony is, when I first saw back in the day that you can go to reputations tab and check At War with a faction, so you can fight your own. Unfortunatelly, it's not like if you fight Orgrimmar you'll get Stormwind rep, which desu would be so cool, it would add rp layer like traitors etc.

>>712752202
Turtle WoW on weekends usually has upwards of 10k people online, thats more than most of the official servers. I'm sure this'll be fine, people always whine these private servers die too quick, but the most popular ones always last for years.

Have there been any neat updates for the singleplayer project since november?
I remember the AI chat integration being a complete mess, but the bots themselves being really neat.

>>712752859
Forsaken Undead = Surivors of Lordaeron slaughter of Arthas = Used to be Humans = Humans are Paladins also. What is lore killing there?

>>712752859
>noooooo you can't be undead paladin because the light hurts you!
>what the fuck, why is your priest shadow? respec holy noob

>>712752859
The lore was already dead with them pussying out of making only male nelfs being able druids and only female nelfs being able to be priests.

>>712752969
>upwards of 10k people online
more like 5-7k lately, and of that the people actually raiding are maybe 1k
and those people raiding are all in their own progressed guilds
turtle's official policy is new players: get fucked

>>712752969
TWoW has also the most bot problems in private server world, i would argue half of the population

>>712748208
No, they suck too. They are not as shit as MMOs, but they at least have some gameplay. Well, DaS does. Certainly not Skyrim lol.

>>712752945
IIRC that was how it worked in the beta, but that was a looooong time ago, so my memory is fuzzy. I do remember the Forsaken actually counting as undead though, which was a fun dynamic. Immune to most crowd control while taking extra damage from holy magic.

>>712752932
it's just weird to see things like rogues have cloak already and priests having mass dispel.

>>712753139
Get some joy in your life, sonny.

>>712753063
I don't know, I played it for a month, got to 60, and finished some raids without issue.

>>712753098
Yeah I automated half of the leveling process, so I'm not surprised. But more than enough actual players to do what you want.

>wanna play Undead Pally
>40% of the server will also be playing it

Anons, the Forgotten Shadow stuff is barely acknowledged in canon materials. We see a fucking Scourge still using Paladin spells as a DK in Vanilla.

The main reason that the Forsaken didn't get Paladins was thematic. The lore explanation that's actually clear in game is that Paladins were immune to the Undead Plague.

Of course, far from all of the Forsaken are plague victims, so ultimately that's easy to ignore if they wanted to. They're going to do it in retail eventually, it's purely a thematic thing that they haven't yet

>>712743318 (OP)
>undead paladin
pass

>>712753153
Now THAT'S what I call roleplay game. Would love to see some mechanic as such here

>>712753209
I am, I'm playing fun, fast games with no bullshit. That mostly means old arcade games.

>>712753354
It's the only thing keeping me from locking in on undead paladin.

>>712753354
all ret too
you'll see 3 paladins in a dungeon LFM tank and heal

>>712753354
won't stop me

It's either >>712753354

Or >>712753387

Top kek

They should make human, night elf, and gnomes chicks tits bigger

theres 50 million versions of this game or what
what do I play as a newfag to wow

>>712753534
You don't. WoW is a game for people who have been playing it for 20 years and can't let go.

>>712753534
Hunter, and I'm not joking.
Easiest to level, and good to learn mechanics.
Low gear dependent before endgame.
Fun.
Thank me later, bro.

>>712753354
>I can't play video games the way I enjoy them because other people are doing it too!
What an abysmal existence you must endure.

>>712744183
i'll play but i dont know if it will supplant turtle as my WoW delivery method

>>712753534
You just sorta hop from server to server after you hit max level and are reminded you need to join discords full of highschool drama tier cliques to do any of the end game content.

>>712753624
I mean like turtle this thing private classic retail yoda big chungus etc

>>712753003
AI chat integration?

>>712753641
Only one way to find out

>>712753632
Anon, that's not the problem, and you know it. With one class being that popular, getting gear will be an absolute pain in the ass, and paladins already have super specific gear just for them that's already uncommon as fuck.

>>712753641
The only thing I dislike about turtle is the pvp servers completely dead, hopefully this server will have some sort of open world pvp.

>>712753691
Depends how patient you are. I'd say wait for this, but you can also start on Turtle now if you want it now, and then try this when it comes out in a month, and decide which you like more :)

>>712745687
>>712745904
lifelong ally player here, going horde is tough since every horde city sucks ass. undercity has great ambiance at least

>>712753784
Gear isn't a problem if you're focusing on your spec and not literally needing on everything because "paladins are jack of all trades bro, I need that dps weapon even though I'm healing!"

>>712753708
Yeah
You could hook up an LLM to it and have bots LARP as if they were players in chat
Its a neat feature but It was quite scuffed and you could have bots feedback loop their own phrases back into themselves and spam stuff you and they said into chat on repeat.

>>712753632
It's not about that, it's about grouping and gearing competition. Oversaturated classes are really annoying to play.

>>712746037
>undead paladin
i'm out

>>712753784
Just play the game for enjoyment, endgame will come sooner or later

>>712753974
Alliance main also here, but the irony is, I like Org more than SW. Ironforge rules tho, but so do the UC. Thunderbluff and Darnasuss are ok.

>>712746985
>alliance and horde are friendly and you can be in the same guild as others?
I'm personally excited for Epoch and don't mind but they are doing this exact same thing too

>>712754036
I disagree. Running dungeons as 5 paladins in vanilla is a fucking blast dawg.

>>712752064
male undead is one of the coolest models in any game ever

>>712752470
>crossfaction
so the same as turtle wow? yep, this server will be absolute trash. imagine getting rid of the thing that defines world of WARCRAFT. all my hype is gone. fuck this trashass niggershit.

>>712754215
>>712754036
>>712753457
I'll be that one Dwarf Prot bros, count on me

>>712754215
ah yes I too enjoy single targeting mobs for 2 hours

>>712754283
Specifically male undead casters.

>>712754215
I did a run with 4 paladins the other day in turtle and it was really funny.

>>712754308
So you would enjoy a server that has one population about 75 - 85 % and the other a dozen of ppl, low levels?

>>712753974
>a literal shit-filled, stinking sewer has great ambiance
>>712754154
>a shit-encrusted mud hut jungle is likeable at all

you aren't fooling anyone zuggies. "alliance players" my ass

>>712743967
>playing a male in mmo's
fag

so how will this handle addons? will my turtle addons still work with this or do i have to get WOTLK addons?

>>712754436
The whole UD leveling sequence is really good if you're a WC3 oldhead.

>>712754472
wotlk

>>712754031
Neat. Sounds very costly though.

>>712752923
Priest is like the most loved class in vanilla

>>712754436
it's more the lore and history surrounding undercity that gives it the ambiance. the setup is wretched

>>712754450
My gender = my character gender. Simple as.
I AM my character, i don't romance it. Nice b8 m8.

>>712746164
>Crazy how people can't look at it and figure out what went right.


Everyone knows what went right. It's just harder to monetize.

>>712754154
Darnassus sucks. Ironforge and SW are the goat cities. The only horde city I really remember is ogrimmar and it's ok. Did the trolls not even have their own city or am I misremembering

The CoA alpha was pretty cool, gonna play a bloodmage once it's out.

>>712754573
Only because Horde never had access to paladins. You can bet priests would have their asses booted faster than you could whistle if horde players had salv/kangs/might/wisdom in raids

>>712754503
it's not too bad, except for the literal stinking shit-filled sewer you have to spend some time in.
>>712754583
>undercity is great
>ok it's not actually undercity its everything else outside undercity and not undercity itself

right. sure. you going to try and convince me you do all your business in undercity out in the courtyard while listening to terenas get murdered over and over?

>>712754664
I have a problem with SW structure even as mostly playing as human. The disctricts separated by the sewer and bridges to connect, looks like soulless bunch of squares.

>>712754424
Make restrictions or lure players into making characters for the other side through rewards. Anything is better than this erosion of the core principle of the game and lore.

>>712754571
You have to manually assign bots to be the LLM-controlled ones (The rest of the server just uses canned random phrases like pic related) so it doesnt get that expensive to compute, but man do i wish this was possible to do server-wide and without the feedback fuckups.

>>712754436
It's all about the ooky spooky Halloween vibes. I wish the Hallows End decorations would stay up permanently

>>712752923
>undead paladain
>>>/retail/ and stay there please. you may find the atmosphere more tolerant for your kind anyway, massive faggots are welcomed there

I think Thunderbluff is the best Horde city because it's comfy

>>712754691
Can't stand how CoA looks with all its over the top visual effects.

>>712754609
>t. autistic retard with aphantasia

>>712754864
Based.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bERUCRJSzTk

>>712754864
I only play on hardcore vanilla and Thunderbluff is always a ghost town because everyone is afraid of accidentally running off the cliffs or missing the bridges/elevators lmao.

>>712754808
>Make restrictions
I don't want a game to not allow me to play which class/race i want.

>lure players into making
No reward will be as good as my character race/class you I want play

will TurtleWoW try to DDoS it?

>>712754935
God I love vanilla Tauren stuff so much. The Barrens is my favorite zone.
>>712754956
kek I've seen more corpses from the UC elevators

>>712754864
If by comfy you mean having constant heart attack because i can always fall down, then sure

I only ever leveled up as ally is horde easier? Their dungeons kind of seem lame.

>>712743318 (OP)
Will it have arenas?

>>712754691
Didn't get to play, but Infernal spec for Felsworn sounds like it'll be my speed. I like mobile glass canons.

>>712754981
Yes, retards like you are what killed the game. Back in the day most official servers had no issues like these. It was mostly balanced. inb4 "noooo it wasnt", arguing like a dumb retard.

>>712743318 (OP)
>vanilla+
Can this meme die already? I like Vanilla, not some tranny's idea of how to "improve" it by adding gay garbage

>>712743318 (OP)
>Woah look at all these class-race combinations
I'll just play undead warlock thank you

>>712755129
There will be one for sure Guru :^)

>>712755025
Absolutely, as will the chinks.

>>712751712
That looks fun do you have any other interesting modifications?

>>712754342
its TBC classes aka all paladins get concecrate aoe spam for free

>>712755178
My main has been a femsaken lock since late vanilla. Not because I'm a fag, but because I don't like how the robe textures are so stretched on the men. The women look better in cloth while the men look better in everything else.

>>712753794
2.5k is dead? what the fuck is live for you

>>712754735
i don't even play horde, undercity is just the least shit horde city. org has a good setup but is boring to look at, TB is comfy but even more boring than org. UC has a bad setup but an interesting aesthetic that fits the faction and it being one of the major lore centers of the setting helps with the atmosphere, as i mentioned. fwiw:
IF > SW > BB > Darn > UC > Org = TB

>>712755336
10k+

>>712755025
Of course!

>>712755119
Horde is genuinely the babymode of vanilla WoW. If we're talking raw XP/hr, Horde skyrockets past Alliance because there isn't the world's biggest filter (Defias Messenger) clogging up the teen levels, and all of Horde's hubs are on the same continent, have great flight paths, and absolutely massive for grinding purposes (Barrens/1K NeedlesAshenvale/Stonetalon, free zep directly to STV). If we're talking casual leveling, Horde still wins because Kalimdor has RFC, WC, BFD, and SFK right at the start, letting them eclipse Alliance players with minimal effort.

>>712753534
Epoch and Turtle seem cool because they have custom content, but at the same time it's hard to appreciate custom content when you don't know what's new and what isn't. But I wouldn't say to play a blizzlike private server just so you can appreciate custom things, so honestly it doesn't really matter that much. Maybe just wait for Epoch so you can start at the same time as everyone else to get a true fresh experience.
>>712754691
CoA sounded cool when I first heard of it, but it honestly just feels like Retail WoW to me in terms of leveling and class design. Basically just rush dungeons pulling multiple rooms at a time until max level. Yeah it's cool to play as a Witch Doctor or Necromancer or Tinker, but I just wasn't feeling it. Even if they nerf dungeon xp, the overworld is still laughably easy.

epoch and turtle is the same shade of tranny decisions killing the game's character

>>712755259
and so will Warmane

>>712746078
Big mood. I want BC races + starting zones in my classic+ WoW

holy shit this game is like 20 years old
MOVE ON

>>712754935
Peak Soul

>>712755568
Don't fix what's not broken.

>>712755328
>for free
for oom unless you are the tank, still no divine storm so unless they add some cleave (5man wow did for ret) they are still just gonna be single target mostly. If twisting works properly though their single target is gonna be pretty good though.

>>712755619
the game is old, play something else ffs. its the same shit with moba fags playing shit from 2011

>Human hunter
Why wasn't this in the base game, it seems so obvious.

>>712755558
but the draenei and blood elves are Illidari.
Adding them would only make sense if they were a third faction along with demons and naga.

>>712751765
I still get that sense of exploration and adventure on any version of classic today
That feeling doesn't exist at all in retail

>>712755738
faction/class balance you retard

>>712755336
The server pop is so low the servers considered "new".

>>712754864
>Comfy music
>Amazing layout
>Great geographical position for a city, only flaw is that you have to fly to Org to get on a zeppelin, but it's a short flight
TB really is the best city.

>>712755692
But I love playing it, lmao. I don't go play something else for the sake of doing it

>>712755568
there's nothing to move on to

>>712755738
You are now aware humans didn't use any ranged weapons at all since Orcs & Humans.

I don't care if 80% of the server goes UD Pally, the aesthetic of an undead being still being able to use holy magic is PEAK and I will not hear otherwise.

>>712755806
Well it's dumb and you're dumb for supporting it. Especially when you meet so many human hunter npcs.

>>712755835
I played on server with 100 ppl and had have blasts. Even 1k is good, 2k even better. While, when it goes over 5k, it's diminishing return for me personally, too overcrowded.

>>712754664
Trolls never got a city in retail, not counting the BFA Zandalari city

>>712754864
See, there are tons of people who agree with you, but it's always been my least favorite of all the capitols. It just feels like everything was placed randomly and it's annoying to navigate, especially since you have to dismount inside the tower.
Undercity is my favorite, since all the class trainers, bank, auctioneers, profession trainers, etc are grouped together logically in efficient sections.
I'm also just a huge sucker for gloomy atmospheres, that shit's like a comfort blanket to me.

>>712756035
I want the world to be over crowded on a pvp server, thats the whole point of it to me.

>>712743318 (OP)
too late. Ascension already solved wow

Why are there so many people in wow classic threads basically screaming at you to play something else? What annoys them? What's their motives? I legitimately don't understand.

Sweetspot for servers is between 3k and 3.5k. This number provides the perfect level stratification across the server. Anything less than 3k makes it too easy to level which results in the player base being too skewed towards level 60, resulting in server death from nothing to do and players not wanting to be ganked. Anything more than 3.5k overcrowds the server, leading to too many players and server death as migrations to emptier servers happens.

>>712756158
Thunderbluff makes sense taking into how Tauren were supposed to have Plainsrunning. Gloomy environments don't do much for me. Now if it's raining on TB that's maximum comfy, I love the rain.

>>712756219
Epoch isn't PvP, it's PvE with optional warmode

>>712755446
>the overworld is still laughably easy
That's not at all the impression I got from the alpha, overworld mobs hit like trucks and their aggro radius was massive. 50% of the time I attacked anything, a second mob will pull with it and I'd have to pop cooldowns to stay alive.
Elites took off like 25% of my health per hit and I'd have to pre-clear the area and heal up before engaging otherwise I would definitely die. I tried like five different classes during the alpha and this felt true on all of them.
You're right about dungeons though, higher-level players being able to queue down into low-level dungeons is fucking retarded and leads to exactly what you've described.

>>712754664
>Did the trolls not even have their own city or am I misremembering
Nah, closest they got was a revamped starting zone in the islands near Southern Durotar in Cataclysm, I believe. They also tied up the plot point with the sea witch from the Warcraft 3 demo.

>>712756158
>I'm also just a huge sucker for gloomy atmospheres, that shit's like a comfort blanket to me.
Same bro. Although for me it's Darnassus/Teldrassil/Darkshore/Ashenvale/Felwood. Love it. Seconded by UC/Tirisfal/Silverpine

>>712756318
We were talking about turtle wows pvp servers low pop.

>>712756219
I personally, and I think i speak for majority of ppl that gonna play here, is looking for PvE.
Even in old vanilla WoW, PvP was fun side content, PvE is the meat and bone of the game. So, i respect what you like, but then just find a PvP focused server, which Epoch most likely is not

>>712755434
>t. never played a horde character
alliance delusion posts
alliance has DM and stockades for dungeon boosting and spamming
alliance has the elwyn -> westfall -> redridge -> duskwood chains
horde has jack shit
and when you get to 60? all the horde attunements are harder to get through than chemo compared to the alliance ones

warlock is looking fun cause of the new AoE stuff. won't have to sit there and be a little bitch during trash or dungeons

>>712756262
>Classless
**Hyper-vomits**

>>712755568
People still play Street Fighter 2 and it's 33 years old

>>712756579
If I weren't at work I would fully reply to your bait. Since I have a job, I can only give you this (You) and also call you a faggot.

>>712756359
My nigga. Darkshore reminds me of way back when I lived in Western Washington. Very comfy.
However, I do feel like I'm one of the, like, 5 people in the world who really loves the new Forsaken designs from Northrend & Cataclysm.
>>712756592
I miss being able to Soulburn that to spread Corruption to everything

>>712756579
when I finally did the ony attunement for alliance I realized how fucked up life can be for us greenskins

>>712756579
Alliance doesn't have enough xp to go from westfall to redridge
You have to either xp grind mobs or go to loch modan or darkshore

>>712756695
>i-i-i h-h-have an argument but i am.... I am at work! right, so I cant reply honestly, but I will still shitpost
loser, put some more thought into your baits

>>712756579
horde has a dungeon in their fucking CAPITAL
horde has easy access to SM, the best mega dungeon for level 26-45, alliance access to SM is excruciatingly bad
horde has much better flight paths (this one is a hard fact, don't bother arguing)

>>712755434
>>712756579
>>712756695

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Zrhb0mbO8
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Zrhb0mbO8

>>712744183
Now tell me how it's not pay2win (you cant )

>>712756896
>horde has a dungeon in their fucking CAPITAL
Have you heard of a Stockade?

>>712756896
So does Stormwind to be fair (Stockades, but it sucks ass to be fair and has 0 loot)

>>712756579
>elwynn
just do the algaz gauntlet nelf cucks *laughs in zeppelin*
>westfall
just kill the defias messenger dungeon cucks
>redridge
just survive the undead rogue assraping lakeshire quest cucks
>duskwood
just survive the level 60s coming from deadwind pass xpfarm cucks lmao

YOU'RE A NO SHOES NIGGER WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW FUCKING GOOD YOU HAVE IT LIKE THE WELFARE WHORE YOU ARE

>>712756904
No one says the lore and quests aren't better, but Barrens is way more efficient than bouncing around 3 zones that don't even have enough quests to level through

>>712757017
The best boostie dungeon being in your capitol is bad
Lmao

>>712757034
seething

>>712756904
As a horde player for 20 years, I've gotta admit playing a human paladin in Duskwood is a fantastic adventure. Never cared for Redridge very much though, but I guess Westfall is pretty ok.

>>712756896
>horde has a dungeon in their fucking CAPITAL
right, because stockades is in some remote location
and totally dude, a lvl 13 to 18 dungeon is BEST, because like, those 5 levels you can get from it are like the hardest part of the game? I mean like 13 to 18 is the hardest grind
meanwhile 24 to 36 from stockades is like, so easy right? and like, 12 lvls is less than 5 so I guess ragefire chasm is better

>>712757107
Boosting is cancerous and anyone who does so should be lobotomized

>>712756926
No GDKP or boosting allowed.

>>712757071
>but Barrens is way more efficient
Idk about that, but I can't stand the 'atmosphere' of sandy/barren areas. Just not my thing. One of the problems I have with Conan setting (most of the time).

>>712757034
this is some tranny level delusion, get some help before you end up transitioning

>>712757034
>just survive the undead rogue assraping lakeshire quest cucks
Hey, that's me! I love one-shot criting plebs with Ambush.

>>712757138
>>712757273
no shoes niggers asspained at being called out
blood and thunder more like asstorn and shitters

>>712757345
>>712756695
theres a pattern here
>n-no I totally have an argument but... I just cant say it now ok? NO YOU MAD HAHA
so this is the best alliance can do uh

>>712756579
>dungeon boosting
That's not what the post was about, disingenuous retard. If you have a 60 to fucking boost you it's irrelevant what class or faction you are.
>alliance has the elwyn -> westfall -> redridge -> duskwood chains
And this is completely incorrect because you cannot actually maintain comfortable leveling experience by going through them in that sequence without dipping into Loch Modan or Darkshore.
>all the horde attunements are harder to get through
Yes, killing a bunch of green dragons loitering around Swamp of Sorrows is very fucking hard. Kill yourself.

Need help gathering that Silverleaf, bitchboy?

>>712757152
13 to 18 is the hardest grind because if you don't get to 20 and out of the starter zones before everyone else, you will be stuck behind the curve for the rest of the game. If you don't get to 40 before everyone else and also your mount, you're going to be BTFO by the players who got past you in your teens. Then, by the time you are at 40 and have your mount, they'll be at 60 and doing attunements.

You being a dungeon leveler has vastly skewed your perception on what it's actually like being in the world. Your opinion is meaningless.

>>712757452
>Swamp of Sorrows
Peek atmosphere kino. Hands down.

>>712756359
Teldrassil was cool but with how isolated it is from the others it's so goddamn lonely. Not to mention later on it just kind of gets forgotten.

>>712757452
>If you have a 60 to fucking boost you i
wut
I'm pretty positive you get drastically reduced XP with a 60 in your party.

>>712757034
Its a PvE server. Most intelligent people play PvE.

>>712757438
>no no it HAS to be the same person calling me out for being a no shoes nigger retard!!
unironically circumcise yourself if you're gonna be this much of a hooknose

>>712757590
This, but unironically.

>>712757551
The reduction doesn't matter if you have a mage doing it for you by soling the dungeon in one or two pulls.

>>712757071
The Barrens is as big as those three regions combined, it's not really fair to compare them.

>>712757590
This, but ironically.

>>712757520
>>Swamp of Sorrows
I preferred the Cata version since it brought back Alliance and Horde fighting each other there

>>712757452
>killing a bunch of green dragons loitering around Swamp of Sorrows is very fucking hard
1/5 dragons
and thats just to let you GO into UBRS (for the third time) to finish your attunement
meanwhile alliance has...... 1 quest chain that can be done entirely in 1 run
>dungeon boosting
nice how you acknowledge that for spamming is still the best dungeon in the game
everyone and their mother in alliance since classic got from 24 to 35 purely by spamming stockades
you cant get shit from spamming ragefire, not even cloth

>>712749803
Real tawk, how is retail now? I quit after Shadowlands and almost got baited in by people saying Dragonflight was bussin frfr.

I've heard fucking zero things about The War Within. Is the game dead now?

>>712757071
Westfall and Redridge fucking suck, Barrens is kino every time.

Kinda wanna do hunter. Great solo, but also great for helping people with group quests. When I played hardcore I did priest because clutch heals, but dying doesnt matter much outside of HC. Hunter has misdirection in TBC era right? I am assuming we get the TBC skills.

>>712757501
>13 to 18 is the hardest grind
hello tourist, whats it like entering a thread about a game that you've never played before?
you can get from 13 to 18 without even realizing, its 1 round of quests in crossroads

>>712743318 (OP)
I've never played wow in my life but I'm interested, QRD on this please

>>712757760
Idk, didn't play retail long time ago, but most of the remaining WoW players play on classic+ or SoD. Even Bajheera who played WoW Warrior PVP all expansion, hasn't played for a while now

>>712757817
nigger we are talking about how westfall leveling is bullshit because everyone is there trying to farm defias and get the messenger YOU NO SHOES LYING FUCKING NIGGER WHORE SLUT

>>712757720
>nice how you acknowledge that for spamming is still the best dungeon in the game
Best for what? You will level faster with a good questing route, only retards spam dungeons for leveling, it's objectively inferior xp/per hour wise. The hordenigger bitch tears are hilarious given that you have the best overworld questing experience, the best flight path locations, the best melee weapon quest rewards progression and the best racials.

>>712757886
>>712757910
samefag

>>712757848
as anon said >>712744183
basically old original WoW with new content (mostly lore friendly) new QoL, rebalance all around, and a fresh in a month and a half (anon mixed a date)

problem with discussing leveling zones is horde adults have experienced both zones and can recognize the benefits both factions have factions, which alliance have more of
meanwhile alliance babies have literally never played anything other than their little baby simulator and cant even imagine what its like to level horde, so they just seethe
its like those middle-aged single white women that say they have it the hardest than everyone else
thats what you are alliancecucks

>>712757774
>nothing but flat orange desert for literal minutes at a time in every direction with nothing but quests to kill 8 raptors and 8 quillboars
Kino...

>>712758063
I would play Horde np if I could play Human Ret Paladin as such, lel.

>>712758063
>this post brought to by grok AI because noshoes niggers can't type anything more than "kek"

Playing on an SPP server with a twinked out lvl 45 gnome warrior and running battlegrounds with only human and and orc warriors has been kino. Would recommend.

>>712758251
>gnome

>>712758063
>projection
I've played and leveled characters on both factions, in fact I began playing as horde first and Horde has a better time of it. Horde is also a superior choice for PvP servers, to such an extent that if two equivalent players in gear and skill fight, the horde race would always win due to raw stats advantage offered by racials, barring weird niche matchups like a dwarf rogue vs rogue.

>>712758251
hello, me

>>712758093
There are also fuckloads of people around to group up with constantly. I never see anyone group up in Westfall outside of the defias kill quests because so many are picking up shit low drop rate items for crappy recipes

>>712758043
sounds nice, I'll try it out.

>>712758093
As opposed to kill 30 bandits and collect 8 boar asses?

>no gdkp
its actually DOA

GDKP keeps all content alive and lets people like me who hate farming on a healer/tank make great money raidlogging.

>>712758535
>raidlogging
I don't want your kind in my game.

>>712758312
>Hamstrings
>>712758351
BGs with bots is the pve experience I've been looking for all this time.

>>712758595
are the bots any actual good? i have been torn about SPP for years

>>712757790
they do, you can check spellbooks on their site

>>712758648
Vanilla having such simple rotations and freely getting absurd elixir and world buffs means that bots have frame-perfect commands and are a challenge to fight. It's not uncommon to get one-shot by a PoM/Pyro guhnome that then taunts you in SPP.

>>712758582
you don't want healers and tanks? erm enjoy sitting waiting for groups then teehee. Your kind WILL finance me like the little pay piggies you are.

>>712758535
>people like me
freaks?

>>712758535
kill yourself

>>712758801
All the competent guilds will come with their own tanks and healers lel, you will be stuck pugging forever, no one will take you anywhere else if all you do is raidlog.

This is just embarrassing, janny clean up your mess.

>>712758801
>Your kind WILL finance me like the little pay piggies you are.
Nah, I don't play on Warmane.

>Obvious gold sinks so the devs can sell gold on the side
Classic

Epoch uses the guardian/battle flask system. Why have the dozens of neat elixirs or special world consumes when everyone will just use the top two performing elixirs or just go permaflask with the abundance of black lotus? No jujus, firewaters, or stacking 20 diff elixirs to get all min/maxed out.

>>712758648
They're not as dumb as you might think. They're even too good at times with perfect basic strat scripting. I make sure to disable their chance to drink health potions because they end up spamming them, as potion cooldown seems broken for them.

>people still get excited to play a raidlog sim for the thousandth time

number go up wahoo

>There is a Dragonflight server that will be switching to War Within soon
Why would you ever want to play on a private version of retail?

>>712758801
Blacklisted from my raids.
Us normal people who host PUGs swear by the dice roll. You lose the roll, you don't get loot. All that priority garbage is cancerAIDS.

>>712758948
>1000g is an outrageous gold sink that would require gold buying
faggot, how lazy can you be
thats like 1 month of just playing normally at 60 without any focused farming

yeah with gdkp banned you won't be able to afford flasks and elixirs will be 30g a pop just like on anniversary.

If it doesn't have ERP what's even the point

>>712759068
I play vanilla to just level and explore the world, I've never raided in vanilla.

>>712759002
it has those but is it on top of the regular consumes? greater shadow power, greater arcane elixir, flask of supreme power, etc

>>712759068
>raidlog
You're playing the game wrong, leveling is the best part.

>>712759194
Raids are mostly really boring. The only Vanilla raid I like is Ahn'Quiraj

>>712759194
I used SPP to explore vanilla raids. You're genuinely not missing anything. Molten Core is a huge let down that's full of nothing, especially since it's adjacent to Blackrock. ZG is just a worse Sunken Temple. AQ is an bland underground tunnel with repeated textures and is hard-carried by memes about C'tun, it's just as shitty as the rest of Sithilus. Naxx is probably one of the worst designed things I've ever seen, it's entirely lacking the soul you can find in Scholo and Strat, and it's clear that the mob scaling is bloated because Tigole is a fucking retard.

>>712759172
Good. Stay out of Epoch you filthy gold buyer

>>712759212
if it's anything like BC/Wrath elixir system then you can only choose 1 battle elixir and 1 guardian elixir OR 1 flask. No more stacking a dozen different effects and most things like juju or firewater count against this. Alchemy will be the new blacksmithing.

Alrighty lads, see you in a month and a half into the game! /train

>>712759575
damn, sounds pretty good with the increased duration
other profs get exclusive enchants though so that's nice too for player power
BS gets a buckle and they get to repair all their gear for free every 4 hours, good stuff if you use plate

>>712759002
The thing about elixirs and flasks that fucks me up is the alchemist passive that makes them stronger.
https://www.project-epoch.net/features/professions/

>>712751578
ugly shit

>>712743318 (OP)
i'd try this out, but the one time i tried classic wow i kept getting bored before level 20
it felt really slow, and i've played grindy as fuck mmos like ffxi and maplestory

>>712760160
Roll Hunter, it'll be way faster

>>712760160
>>712760287
Warlock is better since you'll have infinite sustain

>TWoW and this are both free
i dont get it, why are people picking sides? you can just play both, or one, or neither and it's no bother

>>712760287
>>712760360
i guess i could roll one of those since those two aren't among the classes i tried

>>712760447
people like to commit to one mmo/game as a service
even if the games are free, there is only so much time in the day

>>712760447
>I have infinite time to play *both* versions of classic+
Are you retarded, anon?

>>712760621
dude... don't give me a boner while i'm standing in line at the dmv...

>>712744735
>It has no blood/high elves
Good

>>712760447
Two gay retards fighting, a tale reverberating through time.

>>712760447
It's common among those neurally divergent to identify with personal choices to such a strong extent it becomes a personality trait.
>>712760575
Both are pretty fun, but warlock can easily tank 3-4 mobs at once with Voidwalker+Drain Life+multiDoT+Fear

>mages get spellsteal
damn, imagine some of the insane shit you can steal in vanilla. or just in pvp too

>>712760621
they're also not going anywhere. Turtle is like what, 8 years old? And if Epoch lasts, then it'll be around too. I have no qualms with slow progression

>>712760789
Hunter got 30% increased movement speed at 20, and can also be played loosely with autoattack+pet

>>712760447
Thats the correct answer, to be honest i wouldnt be surprised Blizzard is petty enough to try and instigate a private server war.

>>712759421
>the mob scaling is bloated because Tigole is a fucking retard.
Please explain

>skimmed through the changes
>Warlock(2 curses effectively, affliction got sneed of corruption
>Warrior (arms can spin2win, prot got much needed devastate)
>Paladin (most fun protection ability in form of shield hurl is there, ret looks beef prime material)
Big Win for these 3
>Priest(big shield cooldown, nothing super interesting otherwise)
>rogue(err... axes and you poison mutilate/envenom will work? Boring)
>mage(some QOL in form mage table and portals, rune of pure aids is back with vengeance fucking why)
>Shaman (dual wielding faggotry instead of 2 handed chad enhancement, not lava burst)
Big L for these 4
>Hunter(no deadzone, auto weapon switch with range)
>Druid(feral dps is no longer clown show where you had to farm same retarded mace over and over I guess?, Moonkin lol)
the 2 Mehs

>>712761027
>dual wielding faggotry instead of 2 handed chad enhancement
Read it again, the talents aren't just for dual wielding anymore, its for all weapons.

>>712760882
True, but DPS slows to a crawl as soon as you're fighting more than one dude since one will inevitably get inside melee range.
I'm not saying Warlock is leagues better, it's just slightly faster in my experience. Getting free riding when buying your mount at 40 is pretty dope too.

>>712761027
Hunter also got Wotlk Disengage = Leap backwards. Big win if you ask me

>>712760968
tl;dr tigole's EQ guild thinks longer battle=harder fight=more skill required (it's a 1 button rotation)

>>712761279
Legacy of steel more like Legacy of shit has been disastrous for the genre.

My main will be Undead Ret Pala
My alt will be Night Elf BM Hunter
I'm so ready guys

>warlock gets seed of corruption
They won.

>>712761279
>>712761881
Reminder that anyone telling you that leveling is the best part of MMOs doesn't understand the genre. MMOs were designed specifically for raiding. That's why you always start at level 1 with no gear, so you--

>>712761942
I was about to pick a mage cause arcane seems fun but then I saw seed, also ignite is cancer
just imagine yuge SoC explosions while listening to oldschool WoW pvp music playlists

FEMALE
DWARF
ELEMENTAL
SHAMANS

>>712762679
I recently noticed how stacked fem dwarves are and their tits bounce everywhere when they run
based race

I don't know what class to play

>>712762748
there's a dwarf in the vg guild and i cannot stop gooning to her now
might roll one myself for epoch

>>712760447
I guess it's about commitment? I kinda wanna max level TWoW before I try this, but I'll probably create a character just to see what it's like on release.

>>712762782
If even, Hunter, if odd, Warrior

>>712763709
Fuck that I'm not playing woyer
Hunter was fun when I tried it for like 30 levels on Turtle but I don't know what they changed for it on TBC

>releasing right after mop
doa, will peak at a few thousand people, nobody actually wants to play tranilla

>>712763907
people want to play vanilla with new old-style content, not vanilla (but with gimmicks)

>>712743318 (OP)
still deciding more what class
>feral druid
ez leveling and a huge amount of utility while tanking to make up for and reduce the chance of other players mistakes. Actually has res on this server as well.
>warrior
painful leveling but the class is the most fun at end game. TBC sweeping strikes with bladestorm will be fun as well.

>>712763891
okay play warlock instead, also starts with W like warrior

>>712763891
Literally better in every way.

every time ive played the epoch betas the server ran like shit and half of the spells were bugged. they also didnt get fixed in the next beta either
unless the epoch trannies fixed like 3000+ bugs for this launch shit will be extra doa when people find out half of the class talents dont work and pet mechanics/pathing are bugged
they also got rid of felguard for demo making the server hosts actual subhuman niggers

>>712763891
Warrior isn't bad. For a quile, you'll be top DPS as tank, and will be the best tank overall. You'll be pretty much guaranteed a spot in groups and be the first in line for Warrior gear.

Will shockadins be playable here? That's all I ask.
I quit Turtle after they literally killed Shockadins.

I don't care that shockadins were never efficient/BiS, they were still fun in solo content and strong in PvP.

>>712764643
I think yes, but pvp only as always.

>>712764643
I don't see why they wouldn't be, all the talents are still there.

>>712744183
how do i make wotlk client stop crashing if a chat bubble appears after any login after the new character tutorial goes away?

>>712764342
Was felguard not back in the last beta? They added it back since then at least

>>712764872
>was felguard not back in the last beta?
no the faggot devs implemented some like, shitty demonic portal that spammed imps or some garbage. glad to hear they at least went back on it and re-added felguard
the balance decisions and random class changes alone are making me wary for the longevity of the server even if the content they made is good

>>712751578
>looks just as bad as vanilla wow but it has bloom and needs a 50 series just to get 40fps because unreal slop
Yeah this is a tranny thing to do.

>>712764989
>demonic portal that spammed imps
Reminds me of how fun and actually unique Demonology was during Legion. Shit was awesome. Before that, the only time I had fun with demo was during Cata with the demon form glyph. Tanklocks were actually pretty damn good if geared correctly

>>712765154
Yeah, Demo in Legion was peak chaos in the absolute best way. Managing a mini-army of imps, dogs, and that damn Dreadstalker RNG machine—felt like conducting a demonic orchestra. Cata demo form with that glyph was underrated kino too, especially in battlegrounds. Running into mid as a glowing purple beast and face-tanking 3 guys while your felguard cleaved them down never stopped being funny. Just wish current devs would stop trying to reinvent the class every expansion like they're bored children.

>>712764989
Was demo with felguard actually useful in TBC at all? The tree has almost no damage increasing talents aside from the felguard itself

pvp is the most fun when it is insta gibby

>>712765820
No, Demo only started being good in WotLK. It gave a fat raid buff and had the highest burst AoE in the game with Demon Form's Immolation Aura+Hellfire.
>>712765701
>felt like conducting a demonic orchestra
Exactly! It was really neat, especially in PvP, standing in the center of all your imps so you can only be effectively targeted by on-mousover macros, which barely anyone seems to use.
Before then, it really seemed like Demo was originally intended to be a tank spec but they ultimately decided to keep warlock as a pure DPS class.

https://youtu.be/VAW4c8NENcU?feature=shared&t=855
>mfw listening to the soundtrack while browsing this thread
Maximum comf. See you lads in 6 weeks.

>>712766891
Dark Lady watch over you.

>>712766891
Hope ya'll be mr. Holy Priest ;)

>>712758535
Fuck off

>>712762590
yeah seed is just so good idk how any other spell will compete, it won't even probably have aggro issues because the brunt of the damage is in the big ass explosion and when those bombs start going off shit is dying.

>>712766891
I still think of the Tanaris sting. You know the one

>>712767465
>it won't even probably have aggro issues
dude, Soulshatter

>>712767465
>plant a bunch of seeds
>they start popping
>soulshatter
>lip as a last resort or get bop'd
easy peasy

>weapon on hit effects actually work in animal forms.
no longer will druid be cucked to EQUIP effects or the gnomer mace.

Now they shall wield true meme power.

>the undead paladin mount is pure edgekino
yeah there's gonna be a million of them and none of them will tank or heal your dungeons

>>712767725
Bullshit, I'm definitely tanking. Leveling ret is agony and getting chain/plate with int is uncommon enough to be annoying.
Besides, the theme is fantastic, "Not even death could defeat me"

>>712767725
>there's gonna be a million of them and none of them will tank or heal your dungeons
that doesn't sound like a me problem
what are they gonna do, stop me from kicking the retards from MY group? lmao

>>712767725
I'll tank. It's my burden to bear...

>mages get arcane barrage at level fucking 22
>but nearly every tbc spell is late 50s

>>712766891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do5s0MQvF9s

>>712768121
of course I won't even invite those people as I'm a flex player myself. it'd be moronic to make my group wait because I just HAVE to spam mind flay on my priest instead and I won't enable such players
especially warriors that wont tank but will roll on the eventual tank's gear
lmao fuck off man, you're out. just go d-stance and play basically the exact same with a 2 hander

I remember back in Cata when I was trying a DK, I got to the nu-Zul'gurub dungeon and they still had the retarded Dark Simulacrum ability for DKs so I could straight up copy some boss abilities and just use them on the bosses. I think I killed one of them doing that.
Cata was retarded btw

Are they just directly grabbing skills from TBC or doing their own rebalancing as well? I want to play a fun healer but am not sure what to go with.

Are we starting a guild? The Chuds?

>>712768390
I'm not joining a guild with a reddit name, no.

>>712743318 (OP)
>launch trailer
>isn't launching for another month
I miss when words meant shit.

>>712768364
TBC talents as a baseline but they're changing some stuff themselves

I haven't played any WoW out of spite. My favorite games were FFXI and SWG, and all my in-game friends were saying "brooo you gotta play WoW its so much easier to do stuff." Now they complain about the state of modern MMOs not realizing that they caused their own problems.

I'll never forgive what WoW did to the MMO industry but I'm considering checking this out just in the interest of fairness, and I don't wanna give Shitzard any money.

>>712768390
Stay at home Sons

>>712768390
I'm starting a roleplay guild with Forsaken paladins & priests. We're going on a penitent crusade.

>>712768528
Well all private servers are free unless they're ran by some exclusive group.In the current year it's basically turned into the arms race testing ground of trying to make "wow but good"

>add a bunch of world bosses through the 1-60 journey
>they flag the entire zone for pvp
>cant kill them crossfaction
>only the faction that tagged gets loot
if it's anything like turtle's faction population the horde will never get a kill
world bosses are a cancer that gets mafia'd anyways, it's a shitty system that only sounds cool on paper

>>712768528
>FFXI
based
I'm keeping a close eye on this one since the dynamic time shit seems like it can enable a lot of cool shit, maybe even something akin to NMs from XI

>>712768550
>Forsaken priest
That's my jam, count me in.

>>712768693
Bet.
Founding members are gonna be the big boys in charge, knights of the round table style.

>>712768528
I tried a few other MMOs over the years but nearly all of them felt like they lacked something when I played them, though I've long since given up on retail WoW.
I think what it does really well, which was always undersold, is gameplay. It just feels very responsive to play and control as long as the servers aren't shit.

>>712768982
Well, my issue is that the gameplay feels very simple. The whole *hotbar, cooldown and gcd* style of game is just not nearly as interesting as what came before it, though that could just be my perceptions being colored by the fact that literally everyone who came after WoW copied it exactly. Hell, SWG literally killed itself and removed all of its originality to copy WoW (this is primarily what made me hate WoW so much. Maybe it was better when it was original?

and yes, I know FFXI and SWG have hotbars and cooldowns, but they work completely differently than the current "MMO default" style, which is WoW.

>>712743318 (OP)
>UD paladin
lol
lmao even

>>712755568
I just played Warcraft 3

I think I'm going to go dwarf warrior this time. When I played classic I went dwarf pally and regretted it because no one wanted to group with a ret pally.

>>712769617
What's wrong with that when UD holy priests are already a thing?

>>712767725
I tank, but tanking with randoms who have no clue how threat works so they just auto pump or ignore main target is one of the most annoying things in the world.

hype

>>712769727
That's due to ret being the worst DPS in the game. Unfortunate, but this server will be using TBC talents, so it should be more viable at later levels.
>>712769982
the trick is to only group with people who speak English as their first language.

>>712743318 (OP)
What's the best private server for a new player? I don't want to sub to WoW, especially after I've heard how much the lore got butchered after Wrath/Cata.

>>712769924
ud priests using holy healing was a gameplay nuance and not a lore one until blizzard just gave up on the initial concept
>ud priests could use the light, but it would actively harm the user in the best case scenario
>in the worst case scenario, parts of the priests would come back to life in a pseudo revival. except this would result in excruciating pain, tasting the rot inside your mouth, or feeling the maggots wriggling around in your body
i think it was tbc when blizzard sorta quietly scrubbed that part out in favor of simply saying "yeah they can use it"

What's the god class for mindless BG spamming in TBC? Hunter?

>>712743318 (OP)
I don't see anything that might grab my attention. Already playing Ascension WoW so..

>>712767681
And they can drink potions. And use polearms. Druid tanking will be goated with the sauce, as the kids say.

>>712770224
You just replied to a post with Fairbanks, a undead holy priest from Vanilla. I had the player's guide back in the day, and it said holy priests were only less common, not unheard of. There have been a few undead that use or have received regular holy magic/healing in canon in Vanilla.

>>712770590
Sorry to hear about your terminal brainrot.

>>712743318 (OP)
How is anyone still playing mmos in 2025? WOW is older than 90% of anons on /v/. Move on already, you miserable sacks of shit. If you're going to waste time on pointless shit, invest it into making your own game or mmo. Make your own private server and tinker around with it for fun.

>>712770178
turtle wow has a bunch of noobs, normalfags, chill dudes, tryhards and neets (which are all necessary for a healthy server ecosystem)

>>712770810
>STOP HAVING FUN!

>>712770810
>How is anyone still browsing imageboards in 2025? 4chan is older than 90% of anons on /v/. Move on already, you miserable sacks of shit.

>>712770682
We also have Sir Zeliek in Naxx, he is using holy powers, is undead and is being forced to act against his will by the magics binding the death knights. No undead paladins/no undead holy magic users faggots always ignore it.

>>712743318 (OP)
The problem is WoW is a shit game. It was good for its time in 2003 but its shit and extremely outdated now.

>>712770178
>What's the best private server for a new player?

TurtleWoW and it's not even close.

>>712771117
>Sir Zeliek
The most badass enemy in whole vanilla.
Paladin, mind controlled by Kel'Thuzad, but with so strong spirit, that he is speaking to you to run and don't fight, since he cannot control his body.
B a s e d

>>712771267
What MMO do you play then?

>>712771117
One of my favorite characters. A shame most of his writing is in a fucking comic book.

Best pvp race? Is it still a toss up between undead and gnome?

>>712772003
Blood Elf = Tauren >> Undead = Gnome >> Night Elf = Troll > Human = Dwarf = Draenei

>>712770819
>>712771373
What classes aren't as popular? Thinking of doing Forsaken rogue, but I've heard rogues can struggle to find groups because there are too many (and they're selfish).

>>712772128
Is warstomp really that good?

>>712772003
the CC break racials are rendered pointless as soon as you get a medallion. IMO, orcs have the best racials with Hardiness(25% stun resist) and Bloodfury(15sec discount rage) and Command(+5% pet damage)

>>712772476
Most of the times, yes. Especially for melees.

>>712772213
Mage
Priest
Possibly hunter and druid

This is judging by the activity in the class channels on their discord
Mage channel has 6,000 posts, rogue channel has 19,000 posts, and the paladin channel has 90,000 posts so do not play a ret paladin if you want to find groups
You might struggle since you're a melee DPS so you're competing with warriors, rets, and enh shammies for spots, all of which are really popular specs

>>712772213
>but I've heard rogues can struggle to find groups

nah, i wouldn't worry about it

>>712772213
>I've heard rogues can struggle to find groups because there are too many
Hardly the case. It's just a meme Alliance players made of always getting ganked by Forsaken rogues.
Combat & Subtlety are pretty decent DPS, and if you level lock picking, there will be extra loot in some dungeons.
The best answer for your question is tank/healer. Everybody plays DPS. There will always be an overabundance of DPS.

>>712773228
>It's just a meme Alliance players made of always getting ganked by Forsaken rogues.
Based

>The best answer for your question is tank/healer. Everybody plays DPS. There will always be an overabundance of DPS
I was also considering priest, but it doesn't strike me as a great class for solo leveling.

>>712773451
Play Druid, it's least gear dependant while leveling, get healing gear, spec into RestoBear, and you're good to go

>>712773565
I might try druid out as a Night Elf, but I want to main a Forsaken Undead (Rogue, Warlock, Priest, or Mage) because I love my edgelord characters.

>>712773451
Discipline priests aren't bad to level with. You're primarily a healer, but can still dish out enough hurt to not take forever to kill things. You'll want to start in the Holy tree though for increased crit and reduced cast time to reach Holy Nova. Then for the rest of your points, you go into Discipline.

>>712746985
>alliance and horde are friendly
What!? I'm not a pvpfag, but that is half the charm of the world.

>>712773928
>Discipline priests aren't bad to level with
It's probably the most dull playstyle in entire game though
>holy fire
>sw:p
>wand and go AFK

>>712743318 (OP)
I just learned trolls couldn't be warlocks and I'm aghast. What the fuck? How does the one race that looks like they use vudu and witch doctors not do warlocks? Wow warlocks are european but so are mages. You could just visually alter their demons to look more ethnic.

>>712774086
New servers like to start with cross faction since it's likely they will never really take off and gain sizable population. If they do, they usually make a separate PvP realm later down the line.

>>712774143
Nah, that's for retards who are allergic to drinking for some bizarre reason. Shield yourself and spam holy nova & smite

>>712774180
I am more surprised how Trolls couldn't be druids before Cata. It's the coolest combo desu