So lads, round two, Turtle WoW killer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v4dOsUxIsA

https://www.project-epoch.net/news/

https://www.project-epoch.net/features/combos/

https://www.project-epoch.net/features/racial/

https://www.project-epoch.net/classes/talents/


How are we today, Forsaken Ret Pala /v/ros?

I would try it
Would never donate
So how do I play?
>It's a month off
>The thread is just hype warmer
Oh.

>>712816108
A month is nothing desu, I might try some fun servers to kill time till this comes out.

I like it's PvE focused. Idk how they gonna handle attunements tho

>>712816235
Ah, PvE focused might not be my cup of tea. The raw chaos and life a WoW PvP server has is really special to me, but I do get those wanting something more relaxing and laid back.

bro it's over a month away, there's no point making a daily shilling thread

>>712816306
It's not without PvP fully also, but yeah, PvE first.
If there are enough players on main server, they might make PvP realm, like TWoW did

>>712816235
Wait, no world PvP?
That sucks.

>>712815938 (OP)
I'm thinking troll warlock

>>712816361
True, although thread from yesterday was so comfy, we spoke old WoW all around not just the server

>>712816402
There is PvP lol, just not the main focus of the server

>>712816456
Good, so at least one guy not gonna be Forsaken Ret Paladin

>>712816392
Oh, does TWoW have wpvp now? If it's populated enough I wouldn't mind checking them out again someday, then.

>>712817275
I know it has PvP server, with higher exp rating

ngl this seems pointless now that we have twow

epoch doesnt have helf and goblins

>Undead
>Paladin
>Ret
>2h Sword

Yep, it's peak kino gaming time.

Ive been working on my custom vanilla+ as well. the more the merrier! Competition will force blizzard to do better.

>>712817692
TWoW = Too slow leveling, too slow default movement speed, old vanilla leveling system (mobs don't drop q item 100%), etc
EWoW = Fixed all above, plus additional QoL, without losing it's soul like on Ascension

>>712817840
I know you're a dev from ewow.
Twow is miles ahead of ewow in custom content and design choices. And being like Vanilla is the point.
Dont compete with twow. Try to be your own niche. Good luck.

Anyone remember that one oooold WoW fan website, called like "WoW Regression"?
Nothing special, just basic WoW info and tips, but it was like really old and had that old gold feel to it

Any race with sword bonus

Is there cross-faction or population caps or something? With dwarf shamans and racial knowledge, what's stopping the all the gooners from rolling fem human and turning the server 90% alliance?

>Gnome priest
>Dwarf mage
>Undead paladin
>Tauren priest
Yeah, into the trash it goes.

>>712820441
>turning the server 90% alliance
Not gonna happen. Server I think could go cross faction route, however, 90% would aim for the Horde because of Forsaken Paladin.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s8OdRxWjRD0

>>712820073
>No MS
>No BT
U w0t m4te?

Of all the race-class combinations why undead paladin? Is it just because they wanted to give pala to horde and shaman to alliance? Maybe just don't do that instead and keep them unique to each faction?

>>712820814
You're supposed to trigger multihits liek crazy

>>712820861
Most likely. However, ppl overreacting about not being lore friendly where it is; Forsaken Undead = Leftover Humans who were destroyed by Scourge and yet still live, and they could be Paladins in life. Same as they can be priests

>>712820683
I don't see you whining for Dwarf Shamans

Hoonter must hoont

i'm sorry but undead paladin is retarded

undead = weak to holy dmg

in ragnarok online if i cast heal as priest on undead it doesnt heal undead it damages them? why? because they're weak to holy.

>>712821019
We even got Wotlk style disengage a.k.a. leap backwards. So back boiii

I hate the fact you need a dagger in main hand so much
Thinderfury in offhand looks so goofy

>>712821314
as >>712820958 said

Forsaken Undead =/= Scourge Undead

Also, they added lore friendly seal for them specifically taking dmg while active (kinda like Seal of Martyr)

Also, why ppl whine about them, and not about UD Priests, or Gnome WARRIOR, or Nelf druids/hunters available to both genders (where in lore fem nelf = hunter, male nelf = druid, and impossible otherwise), etc etc

>>712815938 (OP)
QRD on the differences to turtle wow?

>>712821659
As far as I know:

>TWoW
Vanilla+, where very few things are added, and mostly kept Vanilla (There are some new dungeons, gears, some quests, some class additions/changes), but 85% or so same game

>EWoW
Not that much different, however, it uses Wotlk client, with TBC talent trees, but as Vanilla+ content. More dungeons/items/class changes (still not too different from vanilla). Quite some QoL, and some fun stuff - Racials can be chosen, more race/class combo, some additional spells from tbc, features like Day/Night cycle content, low lvl zones has cart ride like Skyrim but in real time, professions has some other layers, etc.
Still, it's not too deviant from original vanilla, unlike i.e. Ascension WoW.

Both are good, i played TWoW, but looking forward for this desu (noting against Ascension too, not my cup of tea, but I'll maybe try their upcoming Bronzebeard server too).

>>712822161
going by that turtle sounds legit better

>>712822237

>>712822358
It's a matter of taste. For me, if it's Vanilla+ i'd like more improvements/additions/QoL, otherwise i'd play Vanilla without plus.

I played on TWoW, it's good, but it's sooo slow for me, movement and leveling.

>>712815938 (OP)
Wonder what kind of new stuff there is to spice up the game and-
>Reduces your chance to be dodged or parried with Swords and Two-Handed Swords by 1%.

>>712815938 (OP)
Ok op since you want to shill this explain why should people play it, whats different from turtle wow? I didnt like turtle because the server population was low on the pvp server, even more on the pve one so the dungeon experience was shit, never tried the dungeons made by the turtle team even and in the end it was just a rush to 60 to do endgame and do the same runs over and over what does epoch offer

I pray to god the turtle trannies and faggots stay on their containment server.

>>712815938 (OP)
>Vanilla+ server for the 20000000th time
>This time we have wrath professions and talents!!!!!!!!
All of these servers are just Ascension but worse. Even SoD was.

>>712822736

=> >>712822161

At the end of the day, try both and see what you like better. :)

>>712822807
It never fails to amuse me how people fail to understand Epoch's design.

>>712822807
>This time we have wrath professions and talents
You mean TBC

>>712820861
because it's a highly requested race/class combo

>>712822952
I'd give my vote for Troll (feral) Druid, but I agree

>>712821314
canonically Forsaken priests find using the Light painful but do so anyway. there's no lore reason why it's impossible for them to do so.

>>712822923
>>712822941
I still can't say I'm excited about any of this having played the vanilla relaunch up to Wrath. It just feels like they release a new server people will play for a week or two then it's low pop and dead. It's literally just the
>WHENS FRESH
meme but unironically.

>>712823109
Some ppl maybe, i play it for chill leveling with some new content and QoL, so Vanilla Pluses are great for me

>>712822793
they will but then they'll shit these threads up every chance they get

>>712823187
That's why I liked Ascension. It had unique shit and even prestiges. Also didn't rely on having a population to be able to run the "custom" content albeit it's pop always felt p good.

>>712823404
I didn't like Acension because of Classless and Custom Class realms, other aspects were good. That's why I'm looking forward for their Bronzebeard Realm - original classes as their version of Vanilla+. Will be a while before it drops tho

>>712823550
the classes are okay but it really feels like 9 or 10 solid ideas spread across 21 classes. a lot of repeated mechanics and concepts which is a bit disappointing.

>>712823550
If only blizzard moderated their own classic realms so people would actually want to play on them that aren't just botting or swiping.

>>712823669
>>712823658
Yes, but also Ascension is the most donor friendly as far as I saw

>>712823050
Unless it's been retconned (which is probably the case), Forsaken Priest healing was all shadow magic.
Priests were non-denominational in WoW until Blizzard just... forgot. Their powers were sourced from the Light, Elune, the Shadow/Void, Voodoo, etc. depending on race.

>>712822358
Until you experience it and the quests are more of the same, but worse. Their new dungeons are overly spacious with mobs thrown around haphazardly. Chinese players who I have seen fly hacking around even up to two months ago. And the P2W shit they sell in their shop.

>>712823894
>Forsaken Priest healing was all shadow magic
Wat?

>>712823739
>"donor"
It's a full blown cash shop

>>712823739
Yeah I think that's the main major complaint is that they have a fucking cash shop.

>>712824043
He's trying to to quote a few paragraphs of extended lore that even Blizz didn't follow as infallible truth.

All fun and dandy but isn't it like WoW runs it's Warden software anyway? It is still scanning your active memory, desktop content, documents and open software.

>>712823739
yes because it's a literal pay to win server if you care about high end pvp lol

>>712824286
Doesn't matter. If you have internet and electricity in your home, you're already being watched, monitored, info gathered, ad targeted, micro wave brain infused, etc.

>>712824378
Not by Blizzard, tho.

>>712815938 (OP)
How many people are going to play this? 100?

>>712822793
They were active as hell last night shilling non stop. It was definitely the GMs too including the torta troon was here

>>712815938 (OP)
>>712824817

Damn, we did have some fun last night, boiiiz :^)

>>712743318
>>>712743318

I'm here to shill turtle wow and mog the fuck out of project "epochly transitioning my gender"

>>712827375
If TWoW was good, you would be playin' it right now, instead of being here LMAO

>>712827375
nice falseflag, bump-kun

>>712824651
Over 10000 will start playing once I start playing.

>>712827486
im at work sista it's monday, don't worry i'll be playing twow when I get home (no one will be playing project HRTeepoch)

>>712817275
Nobody and I mean NOBODY likes wpvp so the PVP server is dead with 11 times less players than the main realm

>>712827781
but dood my favorite parasocial streamer who pretends to have done tons of wpvp in vanilla says it was awesome and the best part of the game

>>712827846
the same streamers who leveled by zoomercleaving their way to 60? lol at the tards who fell for their lies
fact is nobody likes to be ganked while minding his own business which is why 90+% of the players unflag themselves if given the choice, including those advocating for forced PVP

>>712827781
The wpvp andy and griefer overlap is one solid circle.

>>712828125
>>712828037
>>712827846
>>712827781
Who wanna get PWN'D !?! :^)

>>712815938 (OP)
Genuinely looks great, only shame is its a pve server instead of a pvp server. I wonder how they will handle gear stat bloat.

>>712828942
They did some itemization fine tuning as I see

https://www.project-epoch.net/news/lets-talk-endgame-gearing-and-itemization/

>>712816402
it has "pvp" as in warmode, meaning something only 0.1% of the population will use.

>>712828935
No, so I don't roll on the PVP server. Do gank all the retards who fell for the meme and other leveling gankers till your hearts gone tent

>>712827781
The PVP server had a huge pop until SoD dropped which killed it, then it never recovered.

>>712822793
They're going to try to ruin all discussion of Epoch

turtle won

>>712831967
... the golden cup for being gay, kek.

>>712829134
>nerfed hand of rag
killed my hype

>>712832207
>imagine being hyped for only one singular item
Why so harsh on yourself, bro?

>>712832325
>imagine being hyped for legendary loot in a game all about getting loot
getting loot is kinda the whole point of end game and legendaries are the coolest loot you can get

>>712832483
I want to enjoy all the loot I get before the last hour of the endgame content

>>712832547
you can do that without nerfing legendaries

>>712817840
>TWoW = Too slow leveling
The fucking tents means you're at 2x xp the whole time. My biggest problem with turtle is that leveling is too fast. And yeah yeah you can just not use the tents but gimping yourself on purpose always feels shitty too.

>>712817840
TWoW is 1.5x vanilla leveling speed plus all the rested exp you get with tents.
Epoch is 1x vanilla leveling speed with no tents, you'll level way slower on Epoch then on TWoW.

>>712832664
"Just don't use it" is never a valid defense of bad design, I agree

>>712832935
Epoch also has an option Explorer's contract challenge, which cuts ALL experience rates to 50%, including quests and CANNOT be opted out of.

>>712834064
Except dungeons just like turtle wows turtle mode.

>>712834064
really looking forward to this, to me the grind is the most fun part of WoW, once you're max level and all you have left is raid logging the game is dead to me

>>712834450
Where exactly do you think the experience in dungeons comes from?

They doing any changes to fist weapons? Those things have always been fucking worthless. No talents for them, cant backstab/ambush with them, they hardly ever have attribute stats, etc.
If they counted as daggers at least, I'd be very happy.

>>712815938 (OP)
You guys should becareful about hyping it up as a TWoW killer. A lot of private servers have huge hype but damn after 3-6 months.

>>712835628
Agreed, over hyping something can be pretty damaging. I remember what happened to chromiecraft.

>>712835825
Chromie is literally just wrath with artificial timegating

>>712835058
You get the xp cut for open world mobs and quests but not the xp cut for mobs in dungeons

>>712815938 (OP)
You guys should becareful about hyping it up as a TWoW killer. A lot of private servers have huge hype but die after 3-6 months.

>>712815938 (OP)
how pozzed is the server?
Troondle is self explanatory
Chromie has few rabid guilds that will mass report you for wrong think

>>712836051
Wrong.

>>712836149
Dude, I don't even know. I've played turtle for years, and have rarely seen people bring up politics, and when they do, the admins put an end to it pretty quick, regardless of which side it is.
Believe it or not, people just want to play WoW, not debate politics with retards.

>>712833694
It can be perfectly valid in singleplayer and coop games to for certain niche items/builds/whatever depending on circumstance. Devs balancing out fun in games where it doesn't harm the overall experience is one of the modern cancers plaguing vidya.

You mf'ers don't understand concept of EWoW being on Wotlk client.

It means, more exp from mobs and quests, and also quest items having 100% drop change instead of 33% as of vanilla client.

So rating being 1x doesn't mean the same on EWoW as on TWoW

Im going out on a guess and assume both Turtle and Epoch are run by russians that don't like each other and make it everyones problem.

>>712815938 (OP)
>TBC Class Balance
>Raid sperg autism
>All of TBC faggotry and poopsocking and raid reservations
How about no?

>>712815938 (OP)
Forsaken Paladin is a no brainer but I'm tempted to try Dwarf Shaman
Also, I have no idea what turtle wow is, I haven't played wow in years

>>712836540
chance*

>>712836540
Everyone knows that but see >>712836597

>>712836472
"turn the other cheek" was enough to get 3 hour chat suspension from mods
common expression is very political

>>712836540
They've said the xp has been scaled down to vanillas rates.

>>712836540
they literally ported the 1.12 world state, including quest data and rewards, to the 3.3.5 client, and increased the experience required to level by around 20% iirc to be more in line with vanilla rates.

>Paladins with WotF
This unmitigated cancer is going to singlehandedly convince me to never play a priest or warlock

Never played a private server before. How infested with third worlders are they? The main appeal of official classic anniversary/SoD is that there is very few of them. The Brazilians who don't even pretend to speak English are all playing Cata or retail. Private servers are a nonstarter if the players don't speak English.

>>712836597
Epoch isn't a static environment with no changes, plus a lot of buffs have been made raidwide and not just party, meaning no hard 5 shaman requirement for ever roster. Plus with all the custom gear (not to mention tier sets), there's really no telling what the meta is going to look like.

>>712837057
The meta will be everyone is a paladin, just like turtle.

>>712837161
Everyone being a paladin is the only reason I'm second thinking being a paladin, even though I'd just be a tank paladin with my friend who will be a heal paladin.

>>712836992
You forget how ridiculously easy it is to get a medallion. Will of the Forsaken is one of the least useful PvP talents since it shares a cooldown.

>>712837247
Unless the devs made a custom change, WotF sharing a cooldown with pvp trinket wasn't added until WotLK
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Will_of_the_Forsaken

>>712837161
Anon
TBC Balance, paladins will be shit even when Holy is good, because of retards whining that "why am i not using macros to heal"

>>712837391
Oh, I'm retarded. It's been a few years since I've pvp'd on anything preWrath.
Yeah, I guess it is gonna be a pain.
Good, now you alliance fucks get to learn what it's like to fight fucking paladins.

the fact that prot pally has avenger's shield already makes it the most fun tanking class

>epoch discord
good lord the situation is looking grim already
literally just Twow all over again

>>712837657
can you check warlock for me

>>712837657
getting real tired of the constant jerking off for paladin and warrior players

>>712837657
>Discord
I hate this shit. You just know there's going to be a mandatory raiding Discord everyone has to join, just like turtle.

>>712837397
it's not just 2.4.3 TBC anymore, it's almost as custom as Turtle.

>>712837725
38,000 results
no doubt a ton of people are planning to play SL/SL

>>712837397
Preach's video is a pile of shit

What do I do for elemental? Something like this?
I'm a retard so I don't instantly know.

I want turtle to die. Troontle is so fucking retarded and they fucked with the balance

>>712837397
>prot paladin
>shit
>in BC

>>712837843
Ah, yes, the retard spec for retards.

>>712838021
lmao what balance
warrior is still king of every role it has

What does this have that turtle wow doesn't?

>>712838085
I like wow as it was. I don't want to play a tranny's rebalance of it

>>712828935
What is this fucking pve shit build

>>712837996
Bro, waaay too many points in ele tree, you want a good dip into resto too

>>712838116
TBC classes in Vanilla, shamans for alliance (dorf) and raidwide Heroism.

>>712838205
Go play retail vanilla then.

>>712837996
Last talent for ele really sucks, should replace it with Thunderstorm from WotLK, I think it's the only new TBC "capstone" talent that is completely useless in PvP

>>712838293
>giving pozzard money
no

>>712838027
>being locked to an incredibly niche role that any other tank can perform
>good
Yes.

>look at priest racials
>tauren get dogshit
>gnomes get literal endgame stuff
great balance

>>712838339
Wait, they charge money for classic?

>>712837657
I mean, it's a lose-lose. Either warrior, paladin, and mage continue to attract 90 IQ subhumans trying to minmax a 20 year-old game, or your favorite class gets colonized by these same retards. I'd rather these containment classes simply exist.

>>712838302
Doesn't a raidwide hit buff basically secure at least one in the roster? Sure it's boring, but it seems like someone will need to spec into it.

>>712838387
yes, you need an active subscription

>>712838386
Can't you change racials freely?

>>712838217
A lot of the shitty ele talents are better now though which makes it harder to skip.
The one that just boosts earth totem HP now also gives you knockback immunity for example.

plot twist.
it was made by turtle wow admins to have a controlled opposition that would not threaten them on the private server scene.

>>712838440
Well it's a decent enough talent, but from a pvp perspective it makes ele and resto shamans spec quite similarly. In fact there's barely any reason to go elemental in pvp when you can live a lot longer as resto and also deal a lot of damage with good enough gear

>>712838829
I'm sure they spent 3+ years working on a different server, on a different engine, with different content, just to prop their hackjob cashcow.

>>712838293
never ever giving that skinwalker wearing blizzard's carcass even half a dime lmao

>>712838402
Anon, did you see the image? Mage is going to be the least popular class
Anyone who wants to play a braindead ranged class is just going to choose SL/SL lock or BM hunter. The only interesting thing mage gets from TBC is spellsteal.

>>712839212
CoA did it so why can't they?

>>712837725
>>712837843
Warlock also had the same people arguing endlessly about the Felguard changes for months. Post counts aren't entirely representative of unique individuals posting in the channels

>>712839538
I have to wonder how warlock is going to fare with the racial knowledge system, considering anyone can swap in WotF and it'll still probably be the most desirable PvP racial.

>>712839538
ice lance is great along with extra freeze from water elemental
arcane gets cancer rune, off all things they chose that one

>>712832664
Didn't they have a 50% xp mode? And you got some cosmetics for doing so including pretty sweet bags if you were just starting out and didn't manage to beg for a bunch of bags.

>>712839808
I'm really baffled that after all this time there still exists someone who liked rune enough to bring it back
I can't think of another spell that's even come close to being as hated by its own playerbase

>>712815938 (OP)
Oh dang, it's actually coming out. I remember messing around on the server a couple of years ago to see it how it ran. The client they use is 100x smoother than the 1.12 client used for Turtle, so that was nice. I guess we'll have to see how they balance all their new shit and how many third worlders flood it.

>>712839840
you get some toys, some currency for the cash shop, bags, mount, sword of a thousand truths, fashion coins, murloc illusion.

>>712817840
thank fuck for the quest drop changes
i tried turtle out with a few friends and it fell apart because we had to grind four times as many mobs to complete mob drop quests
yeah i want my MMO to have anti-multiplayer features thanks! fucking retards

>>712839995
>how many third worlders flood it
This is what truly makes or breaks a server. As soon as chat becomes 90% non English, it's dead in the water.

Thinking about rolling an Orc hunter and getting a snake pet

>>712840210
harder overworld and leveling dungeons means all the underages and browns will get filtered. this will be the one.

>>712840307
I like getting a boar and naming it EthanRalph

>>712840198
Cause TWoW is Vanilla plus and not Wotlk with 1-60 content.

>>712839990
>another spell
first iterations of Roll the Bones for outlaw rogue

>>712840524
at least it was fun for like 20% of the time when you managed to max roll the buffs.

>>712840524
Wasn't Outlaw the one with the grappling hook? Shit was super dope

If the server's alright I'll probably play Bear.

>>712840784
swap Nurturing Instict, Savage Fury and 1 rank of Feral Instict for 5/5 Naturalist (in Resto)

>>712840416
exactly my point. still baffles me to this day how people miss classic when it pulls nonsensical shit like that

>>712815938 (OP)
so 98% of all players will be undead paladins correct?

>>712841063
looking forward to joining the all paladin guild

undead paladins is fucking retarded
DoA

>>712841121
I'm still starting the all Forsaken paladin/priest roleplay guild.
Likely going to name it Penitent Crusade.

>>712840945
Oh I didn't even see that Naturalist had the physical bonus here.
Yeah I just placed points into Savage Feral Aggression and Nurturing Instinct because I had spare points with nothing else I really wanted.

>>712815938 (OP)
is it classic wow?

gunna need someone to look into epoch's donation structure before I decide to roll here, these threads reek of another whitekidney/shenna rug pull server

>>712841474
Classic with additional content, rebalances and QoL

Tauren male hunter
Explorer's contract
Maximum chillkino

>>712841040
You're upset that you have to grind in a grinding game? Retard

What class will be ideal for exterminating the unwashed masses of RETardins flooding BGs and arenas?

>>712841881
LMAO if you think wow is a grinding game you are not even worth arguing with. play a kMMO if you really want to find out what grinding is

>>712841528
They refused to accept donations until after two public betas. Maybe it sounds too good to be true but I haven't seen any shred of dumb bullshit and drama surrounding the devs so far

>>712838027
Prot pallies were simply Trash kings, warriors were still the top of the food chain as now tank druids, protdins were trash mob tanks.
ask that to every pro guild

>>712842027
>kill tens of thousands of mobs to hit max level
>kill hundreds of thousands/millions of mobs to hit max level but you pull 10 at a time on any class
Same shit

>>712841794
>Straight
>White
>Male
>Warrior
>Greatsword

Yep, it's gaming time!

>>712841980
Frost mages and Hunters

>another Raidlogging Private server with no thought put into anything but raiding, getting to max level to raid, and making professions another thing you need to raid

>>712842493
what else is there to fucking do in this genre?

YASSSS I CANT WAIT TO FARM POTIONS AND BUFFS TO RUN MOLTEN CORE AGAIN!!!


RETRIPALA BALAST LETS GOOOO

>>712837657
why so many fucking paladins? isnt it the most boring class? are they gonna change its dps rotation or what? introduce new abilities?

>>712842493
if you want to collect MOUNTSMOGSPETSTITLESCHEEVOS and ERPing with other grown ass men you are free to just keep playing retail
we private server chads prefer to actually play the game

>TURDle wow
kek

>>712842493
yeah they made 1000+ custom quests just so you could get to max and raidlog faster

>>712842696

>>712827781
nobody likes you yet here you are

>>712842696
i can right click a mob, alt-tab and watch porn instead of playing the dogshit leveling

>>712842735
>>712842621
>>712842786
how about pvp? you know the game is called
world of WARcraft it has 2 factions that are at WAR.
>warmode so you won't be able to camp redridge or stonetallon

>>712842902
pvp hasn't done anything positive for the game. only removal of fun and making everything play the same.
total pvp death

>>712842902
>MUH PEE VAY PEE
lmao opinion discarded

>>712842902
>pvping in a tab target game
lmao what's wrong boomer, too feeble and rotted for real competitive games?

>>712842902
Old WoW is made so it can simulate TTRPG like D&D into online game, so dungeons, groups, guilds, fighting monsters, etc.
PvP is added just for fun side activity, speaking for classic WoW obviously

>>712842991
>>712843046
>>712843116
how is logging in once a week to do raids for 1-3 hrs (this includes time to get world buffs) then logging off until next week "fun"

>>712815938 (OP)
>Warmode on a classic server
>Troon staff

>>712843186
No world buffs on epoch.

>>712843189
but enough about Turtle.

>>712843046

>Opinion discarded chud

>>712843282
oh my bad
how is logging in once a fucking week then logging off until next week to do the same fucking raids over and over again fun?
How the fuck can anyone find Raidloging fun.

>>712842902
>PVP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or8q02BQFLY

>pvp andy is also a jaknigger
you know what, I'm not even surprised.

>>712843287
Turtle wow doesnt have warmode fuckstain

>>712843535
see
>>712843526

>>712843562
Yes it does, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>712843557
Reminds me of that autistic swole benji faggot who would have autistic break downs because he had to talk with other people to get raid gear.

>>712843526
>>712843606
Because you gigantic nigger who plays one game forever, people plays other games, if you play wow 24/7 just to poopsock on PVP, go get therapy to not become a shartranny like the faggot above (you)
Also WoW PVP sucks and Cyrodiil is better and FUN

So... no new raids, no new dungeons and only 1 new zone?
What is the point? min-max again for the 100th time?
Sticking to Turtle all fucking day.

>>712842902
>>712843170
>PvP is added just for fun side activity

Yeah so where is it?

I can't pick up wow again unless there's pvp or hardcore realms. You have to raise the stakes to make it interesting. I either make friends doing world pvp or make friends facing permadeath. Normal wow PVE is socially pointless in this minmaxed era where we walk over the game.

>>712843608

>>712843895
>Because you gigantic nigger who plays one game forever

Not anyone in a world of warcraft private server discussion thread, not a single one

>>712843895
What does elder scrolls have to do with Warcraft?

>>712844372
There's warmode, added outdoor objectives, and a permadeath mode.

>>712844525
Cyrodiil is the PvP area in ESO

>>712842786
People gonna skip quests to AOE farm dungeons anyway. I actually hope they nerf dungeon exp but they won't have the balls.

Why are turtle trannies and retoilets a bunch of pvp fags?

>>712844762
they put a way to end that because of the retarded boosters.

>>712844372
>Normal wow PVE is socially pointless in this minmaxed era where we walk over the game.
good thing epoch buffed all the mobs to be harder and put more elite world quests to do

>>712844849
>Redridge and Stonetalon will be impossible now
fucking furfag

>>712844062
There is like 2 new dungeons and a uldum raid but they are coming later.
I don't think they are adding in new zones.

>>712844762
isn't there a MASSIVE exp penalty if there's a 10+ level disparity between the group members?

>>712843170
You know faction split is still a problem for private servers because low population. It's a problem because wow was designed with two factions and the entire game from start to finish is divided along that line. So this PVE "TTRPG" game has two categories of players that can't play together and can't talk to each other, for just lore reasons I guess. Does this sound retarded yet? The game was incepted as PVP and PVE exists merely because most people can't handle it. I'm not blaming players, if most people prefer PVE then you've clearly fucked up somehow. But to retcon wow as made for PVE game is a fucking lie and I couldn't scroll by your post.

>>712845000
the knotes is adding new stuff based on warcraft 3 maps and RPG book lore, hence why he was autistically insane enough to reconstruct the entrance to stonetalon caverns
https://www.project-epoch.net/features/instances/dungeons/

I'm debating between boomkin, bear, demo lock, ele shaman or shadow priest

>>712844837
Why are turtle trannies and retoilets a bunch of pvp fags? *Sips estrogen*

>>712815938 (OP)
>enh shaman talents
this fucking sucks

>>712845000
They redid wailing caverns and deadmines, theres two dungeons in stonetalon, theres glimmermurk mine, a new dungeon in wetlands, theres also tol'barad
Theres two new raids with uldum and grim batol

>>712845434
>Sharty tourist
I accept your concession s01teen

>>712815938 (OP)
QRD? I play Turtle occasionally but don't keep up on all the new private servers

retards acting like they won't or can't add more stuff further down the line

>>712845630

=> >>712822161

>>712845407
be a druid and multispec for bear and boom, ele shaman probably means easy raid spots tho. shaman seems cool just because they maid it so enhancement can use 2 handers again

>>712845491
Grim Batol is Turtle WoW.

>>712845852
Its in epoch too.

>>712845893
And it wont be retarded as turdle.
Even Ascension is going the same route with Bronzebeard.

List of people who hate world PvP:

1. Stream cucks
2. IRL basedjaks
3. faggots
4. overweight "gamer dads" with the reaction time of a corpse
5. women
6. troons

Did i miss any?

>>712845980
200+IQ Gigachads

>>712845893
I searched the discord and it seems there is a portal there. Kinda obvious they will do Karazhan eventually too.
>>712845973
GB in Turtle is using it's own WMO, im not sure whether GB will reuse Cata assets in Epoch. Baradin Hold is reusing Cata assets.

>>712845980
World pvp always sucked cock, and battlegrounds were always superior
Only you fags hated to do Alterac Valley as god intended to be and cried into ruining the BG forever into a divebomb rush

>>712836149
seems like it's just a group of normal guys running it. haven't seen any weird tranny shit or power tripping from the mods.

>>712845717
Damn that sounds promising, thanks fren

>>712846108

>>712846360
uldum, grim batol, karazhan, caverns of time, stormwind vault and hyjal are the most obvious picks for things to be made in classic+

>>712837996
The exact talents varies slightly depending on what you want to do, but the last talent (the totem) is only useful if there's nobody else in a raid with that buff. You should take the insta-cast from resto (nature swiftness) in its stead

I bet wow world pvp would be 10x better if they just changed the way resists/misses/dodge/block/parry scale against higher level players on special abilities, or thats probably broken so just on CC abilities. Low level players could escape often if they could just get one CC off so they get a turn. Also low level players could assist higher level allies with CC instead of waiting to see who wins.

I played rogue so you could gank bad players 8 levels higher for the simple fact that the defense table doesn't protect for an attack out of stealth or while stunned, so they would only get to play if your attack missed. Also meant vanish cheapshot was a way to start an escape plan. Most classes should have options like that.

>>712815938 (OP)
Im going to try it, forsaken paladin peaked my curiosity, and wotlk client is bis for addons and qol. That being said, it wil require quite a lot of new content to make me switch from TWoW since its my home server

>>712846904
Im surprised a server called Epoch isn't launching with Caverns of time.

>>712846468
>seems like it's just a group of normal guys running it

Yeah that's the problem. You actually need a schizo rightwinger running it and not a normal person because normal people lose to trannies. Trannies hide their authoritarian power level until its too late.

>>712847342
It used to be mine too, but I got sick of the clique mafias having a monopoly on raiding. As always, the playerbase ruins a good thing.

>Server is DOA
>turtlewow killer

How do I into surv Hunter?

>>712837996
>>712847162 cont.
I'd do something like this for PVE:
https://www project-epoch net/classes/talents/?data=5;2:10:10:10:10:10:12:12:12:6:6:2:2:2:13:1:11:11:11:11:11:8;0:2:2:2:2:2:0:0:0:3:3:10:10:10:10:10:13:13:13:8:9:4:9:9:9:9:1:1:1:1:1:7:17:17:17:3:18:18:18:18:18

and something like this for pvp:
https://www project-epoch net/classes/talents/?data=5;2:3:3:3:3:3:6:6:12:12:12:1:4:4:4:4:11:11:11:11:11:8;0:2:2:2:2:2:6:0:0:0:6:9:9:9:9:8:10:10:10:10:10:4:12:12:13:13:1:1:1:1:1:16:16:16:7:13:18:18:18:18:18

Keep in mind you should change some talents (e.g. hit ones) depending on your equip

>>712846468
>>712847445
One of the devs on epoch is a tranny.
There seems to be this idea on /v/ that epoch is a right wing server when that's wallcraft.

>>712846904
There is also Northeron/Wildhamer Highlands
Burning Steppes+ Blasted Lands coast to fit with the obvious fact that the original dark portal map
Old Stormwind ruins on which deeprun tram runs it
Winterspring/Azshara coast where nendis and the NELF navy base was located before illidan and the naga paid a visit, and the original moon guard headquarters connecting to winterspring, as the Wardens HQ.
Gilneas that isnt cata map but more like >pic as concept.

>>712847445
CoA beta had a ton of /pol/ level shittery happening and anal jokes on which would be banned on turdle.
Epoch will obviously follow the Turtle route, since there is a pisscord group where those fags works in other servers too.


>>712847786
Said Mafia aka Dragonwatch was sponsored by the server Devs AKA Akalix and Dragunovi and his cocksuckers.
retard got paladin all wrong and banned everyone confronting him over SoD, and bronzebeard alpha as epoch(even if it is TBC garbage) doing right

Also they are desperate to sponsor a booba mod where the author left open source so anyone can port it to wrath
https://forum.turtle-wow.org/viewtopic.php?t=12120

>>712815938 (OP)
>poorfags went from wow killers to wow private server killers
Grim.

>>712847970
proof?

>>712848123
Turtle is the WoW killer, now people are just trying to dethrone Turtle including blizzard with their upcoming classic+.

>>712848046
Cata revamp was so lazy that they didn't finally fix the coastal issue and add in Nendis.

Anyway It really wasn't that hard to get into dragonwatch (my shitty guild is in it) and it didn't always get the kills.
Farming that stupid Xmas event boss was going overboard and is why they are changing how world bosses work. Probably for the best since world bosses have always had this mafia issue. Not sure what Epoch is doing with world bosses.

>>712832935
Vanilla is already too fast for me. The world is full of soul, why rush through it

As a Warrior main, I just want to play Forsaken Paladin.

>>712848595

>Vanilla is already too fast for me. The world is full of soul, why rush through it

>>712848595
put on the half leveling speed challenge then

>>712848635
You and half the server

>>712848591
They all are possibly copying what ascension did, anyone can summon the boss if the raid has the key to summon.

>>712848751
Wow, he's literally me!
I love the grand adventure of the game. End game raids are underwhelming compared to questing.
This is what keeps me playing this 20 years later.

>>712817692
Well, one advantage it has over TWow is that it's not ran by trannies... as far as I know.

>90% of the server is gonna be undead ret pally
>the other 10% will be arms warriors for muh bladestorm
>nobody is gonna do pvp while leveling despite giving you decent gear
>buffs like windfury totem are raidwide so raid composition is gonna be 15 warriors and 1 enh shaman with the rest being token specs to buff the warrior damage
>world bosses thatll be camped by anything resembling a devilsaur mafia
>fucking demonic sac is the capstone destro talent
i have less faith in these retards than i do with troontle and its shit balance changes
im so sick of fucking paladins and now i cant even escape them on the horde

>>712816361
that unicorn always deserved a slap
but I`d just give her a plap

>>712849243
pvp gear in reality sucks ass and honor gains are useless when you get twinkniggers already ruining it early on.

How the fuck is Human Ranger a new pairing?

>>712842902
no one cares faggot, you're going to have to go to another server to gank people 10 levels under you while they're questing

>>712849442
Humans haven't used ranged weapons since Warcraft 1

>Launching this close to MoP
Shit, I don't know which one I want to play

>>712849243
>demonic sac is the capstone destro talent
what the fuck
why wouldn't they just give them chaos bolt or something if they don't know what to do with them
demon sac is the dumbest shit ever put into the game, it just takes complexity away from the class in exchange for a boring % damage boost

>>712849531
weird

>No donate option for bags
This could be the best server ever

>>712849442
Humans having only nathanos as ranger lord was a retarded concept.

>>712849495
>no one cares faggot, you're going to have to go to another server to gank people 10 levels under you while they're questing

>horde and alliance are friendly and the server has crossfaction play
>means you will have the opposing faction you are warring with in your party, guild and dungeons/raids
>you will not hear "kek" when an orc player types "lol"
>server already making dumb decisions just like turtlewow
Death
on
Arrival

>>712849495
kek this got the griefer faggot mad

>>712849775
why hasnt the shartie made its own wow server

>turtle wow killer
how does one kill a 500 person priv server

>>712849931
You're confusing Turtle for Retail. Turtle averages around 10k.

>>712848751
i say that and look like this

>>712849442
I think they weren't hunters in vanilla simply because Blizzard felt that humans would have too many class options compared to the other races

>>712815938 (OP)
whats syopping blizz from shutting down Epoch (and turtle) when they did that to Nostalrius?

>>712840748
yeah but roll the bones made your DPS 100% RNG dependent which didn't feel good. you'd get your best combo when a boss is at 10% HP and then get nothing but trash for all the big AOE pulls.

>>712847445
>You actually need a schizo rightwinger running it
nah people like that are all talk and no action and insufferable to work with. there'd be no server at all if that were the case.

>>712817692
twow has terrible power tripping GMs and all the custom content including races is janky and implemented terribly.

>>712849442
you couldn't play a human hunter until like Cata or some shit

>>712850224
epoch and turtle aren't hosted in the US so there's nothing blizz/activision/microshit can do about it.

>>712849495
You tell em girlfriend

>>712840397

Anyone else think there should be a testosterone test prior to posting in 4chan?

>>712840397
WE GANKING IN MEEHICO BISH

>>712850494
do you hear Ethan's voice or PPP's voice with Ralphposting, i keep reading them in PPP's voice now

>>712849092
>>712848149
Kes is a epoch dev and a tranny.

>>712850693
i can only hear it in PPPs voice now. i dont even remember what ralph sounds like anymore

>>712849564
Yeah demonic sac is a flawed talent, a good chunk of the tree is buffing your demons only to sacrifice them for a plain DPS boost. It's also just fucking lame and doesn't fit the class fantasy.

It's something i was hoping they would remove in turtle's class changes 2 or epoch but neither had the balls.

>>712849564
>DESTROY your demon to empower yourself
Seems pretty on point to me boss.

Undead paladins sounds dumb, why didnt they just retune deathknights? Surely nerfing some skills and making them a bit balanced towards the earlier wow content wouldnt have taken as much time as they did making all these new dumb race / class combinations that come off like a terrible fan fiction.

>Play something new
>Play something I played in Vanilla
I never can decide what to do on these kinds of servers.

Dont care
Someone make a Legion repack with bot support

So how's feral Druid looking here, both tank and DPS?

>>712829443
Yeah so no world pvp.
OP you ruined your server, it's dogshit.
Vanilla WoW fans love the world pvp.

>>712851428
>Yeah just completely remake a class from a later expansion from the ground up for vanilla content
>This is definitely a lot easier than just letting a race combo work

>>712851574
>tank
tbc bear was the best tank by a country mile due to sheer amounts of raw defensive stats
>cat
powershifting gave me autism but at least wolfshead is rolled into the furor talent

I just watched a WC dungeon run from the beta. That looked cool as hell!
Count me in.
t. never played on a pserver before

>>712815938 (OP)
>horde paladins
>alliance shamans
>turtle wow killer
LMAO.

>>712815938 (OP)
>turtle wow killer
>The battle of Mid
RetailGawds how we feelin anyway?

>>712851709
the wc redesign showed they can definitely make way better dungeons then turtle, i liked gilneas city but what epoch has shown looks way better then anything in turtle

>>712849825
Even ascension fixed this.
>>712850074
more like chinese and bots

>>712851691
>powershifting gave me autism but at least wolfshead is rolled into the furor talent
Wait, they still expect you to play like that again, shifting out of the form to get energy every other second? God fucking damn it, it was the one thing they should've changed

>Give more talent points to let more builds 'work'
>Best builds are still going to be the usual suspects

Do they really think that it's going to create more build diversity instead of everyone running the same stuff again?

>>712851881
>retoilet trannixx xhow we fexxlin?

>>712851998
The point of more talent points is because they use tbc talents with a classic level 60 level cap.

Why dont any of these servers ever give the option to use the updated player models from WoD

>>712851998
They're not looking to reinvent the wheel, just put some rims on it.

>>712852064
The retarded tranny that seethe about blizzard in every wow thread is still chmping out, not surprising at all.
Do me a favour and kill yourself dumb nigga.

>>712852115
Theres a mod for that.

>>712851971
even troondle offers an alternative cat playstyle with the bleed build. despite a lot of bosses being bleed immune at least they threw a bone to people who hate powershift shred faggotry
besides i personally wouldnt play cat with how leader of the pack is raidwide now. that feral slot in raids will be tank only 100%

>>712852115
Warmane's literally had a client for that for years

>>712851938
I don’t expect this (WC) level of quality throughout the entire game, but we’ll see.
For some reason I have to think of Age of Conan. 1-20 in Tortage was great, then it took a nose dive

Whgy is it literally *any* version of WoW is filled with troons?
>Retail
Chock full of troons, the trooniest troons of the lot.
>Classic era
Bots and maybe like one bored troon
>SOD
Bots and a gang of several troons
>Anniversary
Tons of troons all grinding zul'farak in-between ERP sessions.
>Turtle
Troon DEVS
>Epoch
Probably troons too.
It's fucking troons al the way down, is it the high prevalence of autism in troons that causes the MMO overlap? It's not so much a Venn diagram as it is a fucking circle at this point.

>>712852174
Still not playing retail

>>712852215
ferals and rets have been the designated tryhard snowflake specs since inception and deserve every shitty contrived gameplay hoop.

>>712815938 (OP)
> playing wow in current year

i physically cannot bring myself to play it again, even a private server, let alone the poor faggots who still give money to commiefornia blizzard.

Play ff14 or eso if you actually want a decent mmo experience.

>>712852389
Feral gameloop was perfect in Wotlk and it had no powershifting

>>712852507
ff14 is a dogshit MMO. The game is basically just a visual novel with a lobby you hang out and queue for group content in. Which is fine if you enjoy that, but it's barely an MMO

>>712852507
>ff14
>eso of all things
>decent mmo experience
thats some low effort bait

>>712851938
3.3.5 just has better way modding tools and more assets to use. This is why Turtle is in a rush to move to UE5.

>>712815938 (OP)
going femdorf mage and will join the legions of other mages aoe grinding to 60

>>712852215
They removed a lot of bleed immunes recently.

>>712852215
i stopped playing feral since i got burned out trying to grind to be an elemental kitty

>>712852276
wc, deadmines and the new dungeon are pretty neat and have professional level quality. the only issue is the rest of the dungeons are literally fucking untouched
so as a new player you do WC or DM and get blown away with the quality and polish, and then go to BFD or some shit and its the same fucking dungeon as it was in vanilla but with number bloat
its jarring to say the least

Are sp weapons a thing for protection paladins in turtle/epoch or they default to flurry axe or some shit?
I remember in tbc getting that reputation sword from yellow dragons and becoming the ultimate threat god

>Checking Enh shaman since that was my favorite spec
>See the Updated stormstrike
I can't tell if this is a buff or a nerf. It doesn't have charges anymore, but has less cooldown and only 5% more damage.

>>712851428
DKs never should have been in the game you turbo caz faggot

>>712852960
I think they did add some changes to a good chunk of the dungeon bosses and UBRS has some nice changes i hear to not make it a push over (it's also 5 man now i believe) but yeah not the level of DM/WC revamp.

Turtle's growing population and rumors of Blizzard's Classic+ probably made them push up the release date a bit.

>>712815938 (OP)
buy an ad

>>712853326
>probably made them push up the release date a bit.
yeah no kidding, i played the last beta and half the shit was buggy and things were unfixed from previous betas
unless some magic happened behind the scene i seriously doubt this is going to be a good launch, even setting aside alleged troondle ddos

>>712822358
I’ve leveled on Turdle to 52 or so. The custom content ranges from bad to okay, the class changes are generally stupid, but the worst part is the playerbase.

I played a few private servers before classic and played classic years back. What would be the point of using a private server instead of a blizzard server other than the sub?

>>712853242
Sounds like a nerf considering the burst potential

>>712853242
Note that it's a flat 5% increased damage, meaning it affects EVERYONE. Which, to be fair isn't a lot of people (mainly ele shamans and boomkins a little), but hey it's something.

>>712853741
and rogue poisons

>>712853663
blizzard servers are nothing but bots and gdkps with dead worlds because everyone just pays to get boosted

>In a world where everyone will play Forsaken
>Be Human/Dwarf Paladin
>Wait them to pop WotF
>Destroy them with Exorcism/Holy Wrath like the rest of the undead
EZ

>>712852507
>ff14

>>712853663
This one specifically plays differently and has extra and rebalanced content. It's something fresh for those of us who have played classic to death

>>712853663
Actual class and content changes?

>>712854061
https://www.project-epoch.net/

>>712853663
You can /y NIGGERS in Orgrimmar

i hate to tell you boys but this server is going to be DoA. it's gonna be shit

>>712853886
I only remember lichborne doing something like that not wotf itself

>>712822358
>>712822358
This does miss a lot of what Turtle has.

Turtle has more zones, 2 more races and it does have 30 second flying mounts in starting zones similar to cart rides in Epoch.
The weapon skill books in turtle are similar to the racial swapping in Epoch, both are designed to get around racial imbalance. (epoch should just nerf WOTF, we know what everyone is swapping to)
Turtle has been adding additions to the old dungeons but Epoch has tuned the dungeons better. Turtle does have an issue with CC2 making the 1.12 content too easy. Epoch has this a little bit with it's class changes and probably leaving in some 3.3.5 nerfs they didn't notice but not as bad.

>>712854370
Is there even a point to WoTF in a purely PvE setting?

>>712854724
uhhh, you can break the fear on Magmadar and uhhh, umm....

>>712822358
turtle does really stupid shit with its class changes like killing sub rogues, turning it from a pvp spec into a support spec. also not even hyperbolically at least 1/4th of the alliance is paladins. paladins are absolutely fucking everywhere and by far the most played class because of how broken they are.
epoch is probably going to have a lot of paladins too, not because they're broken like in turtle, but just because most people ive seen talk about epoch are hyped to play an undead paladin.

>>712852308
everything is full of them

>>712853886
wotf doesnt make you undead dumbass palanigger
pinkies should be forced to take a fucking IQ test

>>712854950
Both of them have questionable class changes. Epoch should have stuck to 2.4.3 but they have been adding their own changes. First it was 2.4.3 but with some Wrath stuff, now it's a bit all over the place.

>doomposting about a free private server that no one is forcing you to play
/v/ is so, so fucking dumb
then again, i should probably be happy that the server will just be better off with fewer retards

>>712854184
proof?

>>712852064
Fuck blizzard idgaf what shit spews out of their aids filled mouth. Chromie will always be our cutie toilet FEMALE dwarf dragon thing

>>712852308
No troons in ascension afaik. Also still gonna atleast try epoch afaik no troons

>>712855494
Exactly. I don't know why so many Anons get offended when others say they're not interested. Less retards.

>>712821502
>5/5 dagger spec
>5/5 sword spec
>0/1 relentless strikes
wtf are you doing anon

So wait

I can be a frost mage in vanilla with a water ele? dear lord

>>712821502
You can't frontstab in Epoch by the way if you were gonna try that at all.

>>712856476
>frontstab
Wut

I shall be playing, wish it was sooner though

>>712856754
You shan't because it's dead on arrival

It's Vanilla after all, ya'll know which spec gonna be numero uno in the endgame (even for tanking)

>>712856951
Oops, i forgot the pic rel

Predict the queue size on launch.
I'm thinking 10-11k

>>712857020
>improved cleave
holy shit a genuine retard

>>712857264
>He doesn't know

Can I play it for free?

>>712857358
Yes.

so which side is going to be more populated? horde or alliance?
since its a pve server where you can pick any races racials i assume its going to be 80% alliance and almost every horde member will be an undead paladin.

>>712857358
Of course, it's a private server. They're all free.

>>712815938 (OP)
Is this the same as vanilla or something?
I never played wow but if this server dropping is a good time to try it out I might. Was always curious

>>712857643
60/40 alliance/horde
both factions will be at least 40% pally on launch
and they will ALL be ret

>>712857643
This seems like it'll probably be the case. I'm ok with it though, I'm starting an undead paladin/priest guild anyway.
Even on blizz servers back in the day, alliance almost always outnumbered the horde

>>712857643
>every horde member will be an undead paladin
True, that's why it'll be 80% Horde of players

>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s8OdRxWjRD0
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s8OdRxWjRD0

>>712857643
There is going to be way too many undead paladins that's for sure. It actually might beat Turtle in the Paladin circle jerk department.

>>712857716

Here ya go >>712822161

I never played a paladin and I only have vague memories of vanilla, but what was wrong with Ret paladins and why did it attract so many retards?

>>712857903
Thats greek to me
Idk what that stuff means

>>712857903
Whoever posted that hasn't played Twow in ages or is trying to hype up epoch. turtle doesn't have profession changes when it has jewelcrafting?

>>712857889
consider also that this is basically-unchanged-tbc-paladin as well. twow pally at least has some stuff to make it viable for endgame and a bit more interesting than afk auto attacks
here? its the same, basically unfinished, class that it was in vanilla and even worse on top of it because you know every fucking one of them will refuse to click a heal or equip a shield

>>712820073
At level 60 on epoch, you can apparently swap your racial bonuses to those of any race. Not pick and choose, but all of them at once. So I guess you could play as a dwarf or a gnome and choose to have all the human racials. Might be cool, I guess it lets you just play the race you want without worrying about making the meta choice too much.

Where do you go to complain about design decisions

>>712858018
Basically a Vanilla with additional content, ton of rebalances, class/race combos, QoL, and such
Prostagma

>>712815938 (OP)
>advertising ANOTHER vanilla wow server
>that isn't even out yet
>in a sea of millions that are already payable
What kind of retarded Pajeet did they hire to shill this?

>>712858157
Here, obviously, that's what half the thread is doing.

>>712858180
ah ok ty

>>712857948
>wrong
blizz gutted them right before release so they went from hero to zero
>attract
because people are always fascinated by the warrior of light archetype

>>712852308
Trannies play MMOs more than any other genre because it's like another chance at life. I love them all, my guild had five trannies and two gay men. Really chill and could totally vibe with them.

>>712858221
The appeal is starting fresh and preplanning guilds.

>retail classic
>turtle classic
>ascension classic
>now fucking epoch classic

Bros just give up. You're never going to capture that feeling of 2004 again, if any of you were actually playing the game back then.

At least pick a single fucking client at least instead of spreading everywhere. You don't want to go the way of Prologue-WoW.

>>712858083
The balance will be interesting to see because i believe a lot of normies will be expecting Wrath level of OP Paladins.

>>712857948
Ret and Prot are memes in vanilla, they're the definition of an unfinished class. Prot is really good for trash, 5-mans or aoe tanking in TBC. Rets better but still no Warrior or Rogue. TBC is also when melee dps in general start to lag behind but this is vanilla raids with new mechanics so we don't know how things will shake out yet.
It attracts retards because its an auto attack dps spec and its probably the most flavorful class aesthetic wise.

>>712857948
whats wrong?
>extremely low dps and low skill floor AND ceiling
>only utility is clicking buffs, offers absolutely nothing to raids that a hpal wouldnt
>dps is bursty and random, a tank's nightmare
>poor scaling and gearing options overall
why did it attract so many retards?
>a combination of being extremely easy and safe to level meant that people would coast to 60 with no problems and learn absolutely fuckall
>basically a special snowflake version of warrior. plate armor with healing
>machinima and art would portray them as badass unstoppable monstrosities with sick fucking t2 armor and hand of rag
>every ret pal thinks theyre the protagonist

>>712857948
The class fantasy of a holy warrior dude is popular. That's how people want to play it, but the gearing, talents and abilities don't really support it, at least not in a way that's actually fun.

>>712842902
You're right they should pay real money to hire players that actually want to engage in PVP since the reason PVP is always dead is because nobody actually gives a shit about it outside of rank.
Genius.

>>712858398
I'm not playing any of those servers, my favorite server is Azeroth At War with all its custom races and starting zones.

>>712815938 (OP)
Thanks i'll stick with ascension, almost got my thunderfury transmog

>>712858356
>guys its been a whole week since the last fresh server now we can do it again
Holy shit you're brain damaged.

>>712858398
>retail classic
Don't play.
>turtle classic
Play.
>ascension classic
Don't play.
>now fucking epoch classic
Will play and will probably be my main server, checking in on turtle during down time.

>>712858087
it'll be nice to be able to swap to the human racial to grind reputation

>>712858531
>Azeroth At War
>4 fucking recolor undead

>>712858840
They changed Diplomacy into a 5% vendor discount specifically to prevent people from doing this.

>>712858952
aw damn. well at least i don't have to worry about it too much for min-maxing purposes or feeling gimped grinding rep on Horde characters.

>>712858952
oh no humans are jews

Which server has worgens?
Ascension doesnt count because they just made it a fucking shadowpriest and not an actual race/class.
serpent is based though

>>712858952
Racial swapping is one of epoch's worst ideas. Nerfing iconic racials because they know people will swap around, defeating the point.

>>712859136
racial swappings great, nerfing them is gay though

>>712859208
it feels like a fun server thing and not very vanilla+

>>712859004
There aren't any cross faction restrictions with racials. There will be WotF night elves everywhere I promise

>>712859316
>There will be WotF night elves everywhere I promise
I'd rather go Forsaken Ret Pala with Nelf racials aka Stealth Pala from the Grave

>>712858598
When was the last one? Twows pvp server was 2 years ago

>>712859316
WOTF 100% going to get nerfed a couple of months in.

I'm gonna play a shaman
haven't decided on race

>>712859267
getting rid of world buffs in raids and letting you swap racials feels like an anti-try hard thing to me, letting people play the race they want to play without being punished for not min maxing is good to me.

>>712859468
Dude, go orc and dress up like a wc3 shaman, fucking peak

>>712859476
no world buffs is fine but racial swapping takes away race uniqueness. It's something Blizzard hasn't even done in retail.

>>712857948
Paladin is almost universally dogshit in Vanilla. It's boring and it's probably the weakest overall class in the game. Really solid healers, but its DPS sucks, it's not fun to play, it's the worst tank, and it only has some niche applications in PvP (that people still bitch about a lot). Its main thing is that it's a really safe-but-slow class for solo leveling (still not as safe as Hunter or Rogue), but other than that it's essentially just a buffbot. A lot of this is probably because one of the devs had a grudge against the class from Everquest.

It was still a popular class because it's cool, though. This popularity is only enhanced because both Turtle and Epoch make huge changes to the class to actually make it viable and good (and in some cases overpowered). So it's a novel thing with some unique changes, it's a class that's already popular, and it can do all three roles. Stacking popularity.

>>712816108
>It's a month off
I thought it was 10 days?

>>712848635
Same. If they fixed Paladin so that it can tank raids, then I'm sold. I just played Warrior because it was viable for tanking/pvp.

>>712860070
July 26th, not June.

>>712860082
They did, you have Spiritual Attunement, so we're good to go, bro

>>712858728
Bronzebeard is literally on alpha and CoA is getting a august Release per dutch yesterday before the server closed.

>>712861092
COA is the unique class WotlK one right? I hope they actually tone down player power because damn you one shot everything starting from lv1 from what I've seen on the betas

>>712861092
I really hate how CoA looks visually with its spell effects and the HD models.

>>712861332
Also forgot, Bronzebeard is progressing to Wrath and I just want vanilla with no flying mounts.

>>712859136
Don't you have to wait until 60 to swap? It will be nice for minmaxers and people who want to play a race they like that has meh racials.

>>712861263
CoA is the 21 classes server aka their baby project for years.

>>712861519
Bronzebeard isn't going wrath, Area52 is then Elune.
They are looking for people who can make new zones and assets, also someone who can make Alterac and Isle automatic so people focus only on PVP and the NPC's does the rest like ESO does with cyrodiil.

>>712861552
Yeah, there's also a 2 week cooldown on swapping so you can't just change them every time you do pvp or raid.

>>712861726
Oh thank you. Speaking of Area52, how's the general state of it nowadays and any big updates and changes coming soon? I doubt the said Wrath thing is anytime soon

>>712861726
>Bronzebeard isn't going wrath
It says so and shows it in the trailer for Bronzebeard.
https://youtu.be/ePwcARO-Nak?t=51

>>712854857
Onyxia

>>712858398
None of those besides retail are "classic". They all offer custom content that hasn't been done before in a meaningful capacity. Shut the fuck up.

>>712862415
Not even retail is classic, they've altered enough numbers for it to appeal to the modern audience that it's not even vanilla anymore

>>712862415
Cope, jeet.

>>712854724
If you really want to immediately aggro everything while the rest of the group is fear'd.
I've died many times by doing that.

>>712820994
>I don't see you whining for Dwarf Shamans

Who would? It's one of the few Cata race/class combos that weren't utterly fucking gay and retarded.

>>712820683
explain the problem with dwarf mage

>>712862617
Warlock problems

>classic
Back in my day we used to call it vanilla.

>>712862660
>The person who posts a r*dditor is OK with that garbage combo
Natural

>>712862894
i try to make the distinction myself because nu-blizzard's "classic" wasn't vanilla either

>>712862968
Sam, pls

>>712815938 (OP)
looked cool until "undead paladin"
lol wtf muh immersion RUINED

>>712863006
Very true.

>>712863047
Huh?

>>712862848
DWARVES CANT USE MAGIC

>>712863047
Shits fucked

fuck these threads are giving me the itch so bad but launch is still a month away.

>>712863047
undead priest

>>712863237
That's a warhammer thing

>>712861970
Enchanting, Alchemy and selling motes is still the honest way of farming gold, everytthing else is high risk shit and BS is dimeless outside the belt enchant which is also high risk shit.
High risk shit has PVP spergs like pvelol and a certain faggy guild
OWTL is the top dog unfortunately.
Manastorm shit is a gold maker ONLY after lvl70 when doing raids since the gold nerfs happened.
TMOG selling is still a thing but the biggest profits are still bazaar shit.
Raiding isnt as miserable anymore as reps, but ilvl is a thing and sunwell needs that ilvl 145, the good side is that the crafted stuff from there is stupidly powerful unlike vanilla tbc.

>nonofficial server
CRINGE

>>712817840
>come play my private MMO server it's way faster than the game that was so fast it killed the genre
Changers, just fucking rope. This shit is barely excusable with EQ and it's a mistake there too.

>>712864134
theres nothing gayer then playing on official servers

>>712863136
I am still angry that we never got zeliek and rivendare's armors as the rest of the horseman

>>712864280
>then

>>712864134
>freely giving money to Blizzard

>>712858439
>>every ret pal thinks theyre the protagonist
That used to be true but nowadays that's warrior AKA brownies AKA "IF OTHER CLASSES ARE BUFFED, VANILLA IS RUINED" AKA "I SHOULD BE THE ONLY CLASS WHO SHOULD TANK AND BE THE BEST DPS IN THE GAME" AKA TF2 Soldierfags of WoW

>>712864367
>eating shit for free
Powerful.

>>712864323
Yeah, pretty lame. I'm hoping with how the client is wotlk, and with how they're adding custom shit, that we'll at least get some TBC designs like the wolf hat and shit. Dressing like my boy Zeliek would be kickass too.
I'm still trying to think of what plate to wear for an undead paladin to match his mount.

>>712864630
turdle did the sets, but made it assinine to collect.

>>712864630

>>712864754
My sole complaint about playing undead is I hate how the clothes are broken / torn like at the knees, elbows and feet. Is there any sort of mod to turn that off?

>>712815938 (OP)
Okay, I have one question about this and it's VERY FUCKING IMPORTANT so please answer it:

If I take the engineering profession, can I build the motorcycle?

>>712864134
every server is trannypozzed to hell

>>712864754
Fantastic!
>>712864880
Yeah, you can just use the chink models, they get rid of the bones. This was the case in early wow builds too.

>>712864886
No, go play retail if you want your gay bike

>>712864978
Can you still remove your jaw with the china models?

Explorer Contract enjoyers rise up.
Gonna do all the new content on one character.

>>712865047
Nope.

>>712865294
Unuseable.

>>712864990
Fuck you, you're just jealous that you aren't cool enough to ride a motorcycle. Too fat to get off your fucking mobility scooter.

>>712865346
I'm sure there's something out there that's the best of both worlds for you. Worst case scenario, you'd have to splice them together.
Honestly, if you can find me a no-bones model and a download for the vanilla models, I could probably do it for you. Dunno where I'd upload it to though for everyone to enjoy if they want. I'm pretty sure I can do it in blender, should be a simple job

>>712865417
I hear twow is adding ogres. If they add a Warcraft tech style mobility scooter mount, even if it's in the cash shop, I'll probably come back just for the murican representation

>>712865673
>i hear twow is adding ogres
id wonder where you heard that because the devs are adamant about not adding any more new races after the shitshow that was adding goblins and helves

>>712866195
It was from a thread the other day. Also heard from that same thread they were adding a necromancer class.
I understand now it was a bad actor, and now I feel retarded.

>>712866195
Maybe they should have female goblins that actually look decent and not like pic

>>712866342
>ogres and necromancers
you sure that anon wasnt talking about azeroth at war? it adds both of those things and its not very good

>>712866410
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/712785907/#712785907

>>712865556
Theres a mod for turtle wow, I have no clue if you can just get the chinese models from the mod itself.
https://forum.turtle-wow.org/viewtopic.php?t=7539
This has links to wow model viewer to get the models from the game to edit them.
https://forum.turtle-wow.org/viewtopic.php?t=9360
If you made it you could probably post it in one of these threads at launch which is like over a month away or in the dog shit /vg/ thread.

>>712866560
Cheers, I'll see what I can do

I'm the only man on the planet excited for Tauren Priest. That's ok.

>>712866195
>shitshow
What happened?

>>712853326
>rumors of Blizzard's Classic+

Why are they doing this late? Especially after fake classic+ like sod

>>712866547
i dont believe 90% of that
>necro class
id imagine an entirely new class was thrown around as an idea in twow dev chats but CC2 changes are already a shitshow for some specs and throwing gasoline on a garbage fire like that seems even worse
>ogre race with unique model
twow has made some new models but with the aforementioned shitshow with goblins i cannot see them making a racial model from scratch
>player housing
kinda exists for guilds but this is a pipe dream at best
>>712866878
goblins specifically had a ton of issues like a lack of customization, broken helmet/cape models, glitched animations, femgob using male gob voice lines and some other backend problems. they had to eventually backport all of the cata goblin animations and rigging to fix most of the issues. theyve also been in an eternal catch up mode by splicing new haircuts and beards for them
helves had some similar issues backporting their tbc models and skeletons

>>712866731
holy cow

>>712866878
>>712867061
I was there for it all too, from launch to months later. Constant updates, servers constantly restarting, and still problems weren't fixed. They really jury rigged high elves and goblins to such an extent that even Indian programmers look competent in comparison.

>>712855494
Reading the thread it seems generally positive with healthy skepticism, unless you're talking about particular anons I wouldn't be assblasted

>>712867240
It's just retards being personally insulted by the opinions of other retards for some unknown reason you can simply explain away as retardation.

>>712867365

>>712867218
>goblin spells fire out of the wrong hand
>reset to fix the issue
>now helmets are broken
>reset to fix the issue
>helmets are all blue checkered boxes and capes dont work
>reset to fix the issue
>now half their animations dont work
>reset to fix the issue
>goblin spells fire out of the wrong hand

there isnt a snowball's chance in hell theyre adding any new playable races unless they found a dev willing to tardwrangle all of these issues for months before they get truly fixed
and if ogres are being added, who does the alliance get? furbolgs? pandaren? what race is vanilla/wc3 lore friendly that they could add?

>>712867540
>and if ogres are being added, who does the alliance get?
Honestly there isn't a reason to give them another race. Alliance has a larger pop and if Horde would be boosted by giving them a new race I think it's a good idea to only give them one.

>>712857948
Paladin was my second character after I wasn't sure warrior was working out after deadmines, I don't know if I played one because warrior that can heal or I wanted to see the draenei starting zone. It was my lowest point with wow. I got bored and jumped off the sentinel tower in westfall until I died. I was probably mere days away from quitting the game. I would've been a guy who played wow for a couple of weeks and dropped it instead of playing it off and on for years. Incredibly boring class, I don't know how people play it.

Then my in game friend sent me world of roguecraft and I made fun character.

>>712858398
>You're never going to capture that feeling of 2004 again

Before I blew my last gasket on blizzard wow hardcore was actually pretty close. It's evergreen with an endless supply of low levels to play with. You need each other's help and it's not just a matter of speed and convenience. The only difference is everyone is good at the game and there's no clowns. What did get annoying though is blizzard didn't make it easy to retain a friends list that persists after your character dies, unless you want to add people on bnet.

>>712857948
This should explain everything.

>>712866731
No tauren rogue, fucking dropped

>>712868306
Man, memes sure we're different back in the late 90s and early 2000s.
Anyone remember the similar forum post about EverQuest? I think it had to do with some sort of druid/paladin thorns combo

>>712868306
kek what a good post