Remember Starfield?

>>712849614 (OP)

No.

>I am not going to help you murder these people!
>I'm taking suppressive fire!
Every time.

>>712849614 (OP)

>Got this game for free with video card
>Havent even bothered installing it

Cant say i do

Did they have a B team working on this or something? How did they go backwards from Skyrim?? Everyone hated that you couldn't pick shit up in oblivion without the guards freaking out.

>>712849614 (OP)
It was a hell of a month. Never played a single second of the game.

>>712849614 (OP)
How long until AI makes it so NPCs dont walk and move like robots?

>>712849614 (OP)
I got to the bit where you get the robot (15 minutes in) and stopped playing. Biggest disappointment I've had in a long long while in terms of games.

I really liked the aesthetic of technology as shown in the trailers, and want more semi-realistic near future sci-fi games. Ah well.

I still have faith in Todd when he releases TES6

>>712850441
they probably had something more align with some resource management/survive the hardship of space idea with more meaningful upgrades but the dullards couldn't get an easy power fantasy out of that.
can't make games too easy or they won't sell right Elden Ring?

>>712850739
lmao

>>712849614 (OP)
pirated it
played for 40 hours
saw ng+
promptly uninstalled
it's fo4 in space but worse

>>712849614 (OP)
>they spent years making this instead of TES VI or even Fallout 5
Even from a purely financial perspective, what the fuck were they thinking? I'd get it more if we were still in the 2000s when studios could put out games every 2 years, but you're literally making the fans of your two biggest franchises wait for literal fucking decades at this point. WHYYYY

>>712849614 (OP)
i do
every day i praise gabe for refunding my game after literally finishing it

>>712850940
Hey there, just letting you know that you should check out Fallout 76 again. We just added fishing!!

>>712850889
>Elden Ring
I dunno man, I think DLC Radahn is pretty fucking hard, won't lie

>>712850617
Never

>>712851076
Nice try, Todd, but noone cares about shitty FOMO multiplayer only games on this engine. Bethesda genuinely could've just had the 76 studio make the game singleplayer. Wouldn't even need a good story, as evidenced by 3 and 4, and it'd still tide people over for quite some time.

Promote the guy who made space battles and the ship builder. Except for the donut strategy which you could easily fix all that is top tier for how little it's used. Fire everyone else.

>>712851336
What the fuck were they thinking with adding procgen worlds? Anytime you hear bethesda being praised, it's exploration-related 90% of the time.

Honestly I was enjoying playing the game but the game was crashing a lot and got my save corrupted after 5h playing the game and I dropped, maybe I will comeback but I don't know, the griding stuff looks so boring...

Starfield haters are a very specific kind of reddit fedora tipping, ebonics slinging modern teen who thinks it's cool to disrespect the culture your forefathers gave you.

Or they are browns. Call it.

>>712851336
Nice, haven't see the chaingunner edit

>>712851524
When they added "procedurally generated" ""quests"" in Skyrim like "break into the strongbox in chuckle's house in village and return with the thing" or "get the bandits in this fort" then a few morons thought it was actually real things to do but anyone who played Oblivion knows what a good questline looked like.
Bethesda is all morons so they'll listen to morons first and foremost. Sad!

>>712853349
You're right. I guess this endpoint was always a logical conclusion, looking at how they handled it each game. They did what you described in Skyrim, then in Fallout 4 radiant quests are literally the whole minutemen "campaign".

>>712851336
WHY AM I TAKING DAMAGE?!

>>712849614 (OP)
american police simulator
>SHOOT HIM BOYS, HE'S GOT A WEAPON

holy shit Bethesda is so dumb
>we're going to make a game where you're space captain in space!!!
>we know what we're doing we've made two whole games before, fantasy sword, and fantasy gun!!!
>has anyone else made a game like this??
>no we're the most original people on the planet
Holy shit people just get one guy to play the next closest thing. Just get one guy in the whole fucking company and tell him to play Mass Effect.
>oh yeah in the first game they had big empty moons and planets to land on but they sucked so fucking much
>even with one actual semi-handmade quest on them that the whole "landing on abandoned celestial body" concept was immediately fucking axed
>unless it was some ruin with serious plot consequences
>they figured out that if they had cool lore ideas you just breezed by a planet and scan it
I guess they wanted to emulate No Man's Sky???? The famously bad game that needed ten years of continuous new systems implemented to get halfway decent????

>>712849614 (OP)
>somehow fail to advance beyond fallout 3
>somehow go backwards from fucking skyrim
I can't wait for TES VI to flop, witnessing Todd getting crucified by Microsoft suits will be extremely cathartic.

They forgot to make any kind of actual world in the future. It was just "Here is...uh...NASA planet where it's like an airport or something", and then "here is Cowboy Planet" and "Faux-Cyberpunk Planet".

>>712854481
I got lost in your eyes again Todd...

>>712853349
you cant make fun of starfield quests while praising oblivion quests. half of them are fetch quests, quarter of them copypaste guild quests, and the rest is a hodgepodge of goofy nonsensical quests that dont add to world building in any meaningful way.

I remember seeing the strip club posted and strippers were just some fat niggers in pyjamas. Lost all interest to ever try that game.

>>712854768
Nah
Oblivion had good writing and a lot of variety to the quests. The mages guild busy quests at least got you to tour every city. The Thieves guild and Dark Brotherhood had actual plot twists that you were part of, had a lot more quests, had a lot more variety, had a lot more mechanics. A lot of the stealth quests you could just fail, or got rewarded extra for ghosting through them.
>"but if I'm not the killer and you're the only other person left alive here... OH NO!"
>objective failed
Everything in Skyrim is piss zombie dungeon with some weird excuse for exploring it. No breaking into castles, no libraries, no cellars. You get on a boat once to kill the emperor but the boat is too big to fit in "the grandest port in the world" lmao

my memory is a little fuzzy, guys.

>>712853349
See I don't mind the idea of these types of things as something to pick up along the way to somewhere. Like I'm going to that town and the job is along the way, so why not. But Todd seems to want to basically filter out hand crafted quests for this type of shit.

>>712855138
oblivion is the worst bethesda game ive played. constant non sequiturical writing and thematic whiplash

>>712856292
also, shit dungeons and lore and exploration

>>712856207
what if Starfield is just a scam
>how many towns can we get away with
>3?
>put some fields in with a few things here and there copy-past them
>nobody will actually explore it all right
>we need quests
>dust off the endless quests from Skyrim
>looks fine to me

>>712856292
It was great for 2006. The only way I would play it is remastered with a few hand selected overhauls

>>712849614 (OP)
>Receive two purely scientific choices
>Choose the least retarded one
>I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DIDN'T TRUST THE SCIENCE

does this still work?
https://aqxaromods.com/starfield/visuals-starfield/12081-no-blakkks.html

>>712849614 (OP)
what gives bros i thought starfield would be as memorable as fallout or the elder scrolls???

>>712850617
What you call AI is just a really good search engine.

>>712849614 (OP)
>do you remember the best game of the 2020s so far?
Why yes, I believe I do.

Remember when some Bethesda fanboys were spamming assurances that Starfield would be GOTY 2023 for months? Then it came out.

>>712856493
fo2 does the non sequitur quests writing better and came out in 1999

>>712849614 (OP)
>>712856657
>Reddit "Trust the Science" Morgan

>>712856731
No it doesn't.

Are we just going to pretend this shitty game wasn't advertised 24/7 here for months at a time?

Thousands of threads, possibly.

>there are more people playing No Man's Sky right now than Starfield
What the fuck?

>>712856978
>game forces you to take her around New Atlantis early on
>game tries to push you towards agreeing with her whenever she nags you for not finishing a quest the way she wants (agreeing with her = nice responses, disagreeing with her = mean responses)
>game doesn't ever have her regret talking down to others and being a haughty bitch
>her loyalty quest is about her dealing with the one thing in her life that she feels bad about, but the game presents her situation so that she's totally mistaken and never did anything wrong ever
>somehow she's one of the very few romance options

so who at bethesda had a hard-on for sarah morgan to get her placed on such a pedestal?

>>712849614 (OP)
>Remember Starfield?
Yeah, I enjoy it. Obviously not everyone does, but I do.

>>712857446
No Mans Sky got another update recently to fix up the settlement building and make it a little more engaging. Starfield has not gotten any updates in months.

>>712857267
not an argument

>>712849614 (OP)
>space niggers everywhere
The future SUCKS

>>712849614 (OP)
>Remember Starfield?
not until just now. I was hoping to keep it that way.

>>712857637
she's cute and white at least

>>712850441
It was heavily outsourced to groups that fall under the "Keywords Studios" umbrella. Basically a front for a massive conglomeration of cheap development sweatshops based in the third world.
It was a blatant cash grab that tried to skate by on hype.

>>712849614 (OP)
Yes

>>712849614 (OP)
I knew Shartfield was going to be dogshit when, very suspiciously, they showed zero fucking gameplay.

Games are meant to be played, and if a dev isn't proud and fucking ENTHUSIASTIC to show off their passion project to me? Then I know it's going to be ass, every single time. Maybe it's going to be like that new game Kojima's making, the one where the trailer was just a Jewish guy and some female therapist bickering and then play fighting/crying.

>>712858474
What kind of retarded mental gymnastics is this when they showed more than 1 hour of gameplay? I know this post isn't AI because even AI wouldn't be as retarded as you

>>712849614 (OP)
I pirated this game and what struck me the most, aside from the obvious dogshit, was how the game utterly disrespects the player's time. All these fucking skills that have to be grinded out if you want to do anything remotely interesting or basic, while lvl ups take ages. Don't even get me started on the fact that you have to loop like 10+ times if you want to fully upgrade the cosmic powers, and no, they don't even give you the decency to upgrade them on loop, you have to go to EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE FUCKING TEMPLES, PLAY THE RETARDED MINIGAMES- WHO THE FUCK CAME UP WITH THIS?! Did an intern's finger slip? I refuse to believe an intelligent human being thought this would be fun to do. Did Todd expect people to play this game for years per one playthrough?! I'm genuinely puzzled.

>>712858124
old, you mean.
she's old.

>>712858474
I know Stellar Blade is still shit when we get dozens of shill threads with the same gooner images and zero gameplay.
This makes me a completely gay faggot whose dick literally shrivels in the presence of plastic korean women though

>>712858969
so ur too dumb to figure a game is not for u then cry when ur filtered

>>712858474
they did show gameplay, and it made the game look somehow worse than it actually is

>>712849614 (OP)
I knew it looked shit from the trailers but still bought it anyway like a retard

>>712860173

>>712860282
>nails painted different colors
I think I finally understand what women mean when they talk about "the ick"

>>712859259
Oh shut the fuck up poobar

>>712849614 (OP)
that happens in every bethesda game tho.

i remember how much i fucking hated new atlantis. no careful planning of how the player was going to explore that city. such a careless error when that was the first one anyone was gonna see and they had the audacity to ship this piece of trash without a map.

>>>/wsg/5901173

>>712858226
Then what has the "main" team, if there is one, been working on? TES6?

>>712862656
Just install the mod that gets rid of all the nigs.

>>712862578
The main team has completed many agile scrum tickets I assure you

>>712849614 (OP)
One of the best games of the generation, the fact that it's still getting threads 2 years later shows how memorable the game is.

>>712850940
They didnt want to continue making mainstream franchises and wanted to make a passion project that pandered to a smaller niche. Which turned out to be massively successful and they learnt a lot for their future games.

>>712862279
is that a lot of money?

>>712858969
It's a RPG, you're supposed to spec into the skills you want and not have every skill unlocked from the get go.

>>712849614 (OP)
Yes
I bought it
AHAHAHAHA
Todd got me

Are people actually thinking the next Elder Scrolls will be good?

>>712850248
>Bought a gpu that was guranteed to come with the game from amazon during prime day
>triple fucking checked
>was supposed to tick some box that would have made the gpu 200 more WITH Starfield
>realize i am better off not having it

>>712858124
>white

So she's inferior to brown tomboy Andreja, got it

>>712863467
Why not? Starfield is a massive improvement over their previous games. People will slurp up TESVI since it's just them doing the same old thing they've been doing for decades.

>>712863169
no. each of those is the equivalent of 1 gold or 1 bottle cap. you'll find plenty more than what's in this webm just looting storage lockers and chests while playing the game normally.

>>712863169
no but it's still a funny exploit

>>712863128
>massively successful
Fallout 5 or TES 6 would've sold infinitely more, and it barely has any mods (actual indicator people give a shit)

>>712858969
>PLAY THE RETARDED MINIGAMES
Minigame, singular.
And that's being generous, because 'walk into the glowing orb 5 times while the music swells' isn't really a game, there's no challenge or thought.
It's just a dragon wall from skyrim that you have to walk up to five times to get the new shout rather than one - like you said, utterly disrespecting the player's time.

I was in complete disbelief after I did the first starfield temple, I couldn't believe they had all that buildup and there was.. Nothing, there was no mystery, no puzzle, no challenge. Just music and walk into the orbs.

>>712864053
starfield has 10k mods, more mods being made for it everyday and it's mod downloads just surpassed other big games like monster hunter world.

>>712862578
Collecting their paychecks and acting heckin' wholesome for behind-the-scenes videos.

The only good part of the game was the ship building.

Also, honestly, if they had just cut down on the loading screens, and made it so you could actually fly around space from planet to planet, and fly from space onto those planets, I think they game would be pretty good.

Going through 4 loading screens to go from one planet in a system to the next, is absolute garbage. No Man's Sky figured out how to do it, why the fuck couldn't Bethesda.

>>712865019
>loading screen to get on your ship
>loading screen to launch your ship into space
>loading screen to switch to a new planet
>loading screen to get off your ship

Absolute fucking AIDS

>>712865019
>why the fuck couldn't Bethesda

HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE THAT INDIA IS NOT SPACE SUPERPOWER BY 2020 SAAR! INDIAN ENGINEERS BEST IN WORLD, FLY ON BOEING BLOODY BICH BENCHOD!

It looks comfy as fuck desu

>>712850441
>Did they have a B team working on this or something?
Yeah, their names were Todd Howard and Emil Pagliarulo. Bethesda doesn't have an A-team anymore.

>>712865280
don't forget about the unskippable third person animation every time you sit in the pilot's chair

>>712850441
>Did they have a B team working on this or something
Indians

>>712856493
>It was great for 2006
No it wasn't. It was absolutely clowned on in 2006. All the stupid shit that people think is "charming" in 2025 is shit that people used as an example of what a fucking shit job Bethesda did in 2006. People had more fun making fun of it than they did actually playing it. It wasn't even until Shattered Isles came out that people even said it was worth actually playing. It was shit then, and it is shit now, it is just looks less shit compared to the shit that releases now, but that doesn't actually make it any less shit.

>>712864460
>Just music and walk into the orbs
Honestly at that point this feels like an insult. It's not enough that you have to haul yourself to all those temples. You must also engage with this pointless "Ooooh zero G glowy orb" minigame for every single one of the powers. To add insult to injury, the game doesn't even have the decency to give you all the temple locations in bulk on subsequent cycles. You HAVE TO return to the observatory several times, adding even more pointless loading screens.

>>712851209
No he's not lol

>>712856493
>It was great for 2006
Oblivion was mogged by Might and Magic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzorIZNhTNY

>>712866143
>People had more fun making fun of it than they did actually playing it
Fuck off zoomer, people didn't start making fun of oblivion's sillyness in earnest until years after it came out.
I was in the waiting for oblivion forums, I played it on release along with fans and normies who got it on their 360's, it blew people's fucking minds and most of the gripes were morrowind fans who (rightfully) complained about what it was missing that MW had or people (also rightfully) complaining about it crashing.

LOL

F-F-F-F-FREE STY-LAH!
ROCK A MICROPHONE!

>>712870030
FIVE TIME
FIVE TIME
FIVE TIME
FIVE TIME
FIVE TIME WCW CHAMPION

>>712852938
Pitty (You) so you can sleep well tonight

no

>>712849614 (OP)
I've been playing it lately and having a great time, my only real complaint is the DLC wants to keep you on that planet while regular Starfield tends to mix space and ground stuff better, and I'm missing my NEETship

Building ships was really fun and I'm not going to pretend it wasn't.

>>712870525

How could I forget? This image is still on their steam page.

JUST FIX THE LOADING SCREENS, THATS IT. ALL YOU NEEDED TO DO TO MAKE A GOOD GAME.

>>712851076
any open world or online game not having fishing from the getgo is a failed game. its how i rate games actually. they either have fishing or they dont. automatic 5 point deduction. OOT had it 27 years ago, you have no excuse. links awakening haf it 32 years ago.

>>712856657
Oh shit they got roblox characters in starfield?

>>712871389
> le fishing!
> you can pet the heckin' rare pupper!
> shut up an take my money!

>>712855281
>Absolute Superiority

>>712851076
It's amazing how mismanaged 76 is, last year it was the perfect time to give it a big overhaul with everyone playing it because of the show and the only thing they did was add the vault suit from the show and the brotherhood guy as a static companion, then nerfed all good weapons and made enemies more of bullet sponges, literally everyone I know that started playing it already quit.

>>712871175
ah yes, admoney reviews. its the reason the tvshow has an 8,3 on imdb, they buy tons of adspace every where. its farcical these people are allowed to call themselves journalists. they should be forced by law to be denied that title for integrity's sake.

>>712871604
are you quoting someone specific, sanchez?

>>712851336
>tfw

>>712865019
The game completely broke for me when I did the worker uprising Mars quest where you're supposed to enlist as the secretary of the CEO or whatever
The whole questline was literally just teleporting back and forth between Mars and the space station next to it while being dripfed jokes about how CEOs are stupid. Like 4 loading screens per step of the quest.
Yeah I hate rich people too Starfield writing intern but there is just no depth whatsoever to either the quest design or the writing, it's just a series of loading screens and following quest markers.

>>712870525
>>712870996
Kino. Even though you can skip a lot of the scenes with external shots of your ship I still like to do full flights with all cutscenes and loading screens every once in a while just to stare at the ship

>>712872943
I will say Mars is cursed with some particularly bad quests. I haven't played through absolutely everything everywhere yet but Mars has had multiple stinkers like that. Don't know if they just made those early or if some terrible fucker was head of Mars quests or what

>>712863467
People are still gullible enough for one more TES
>It's their main franchise they wouldn't ruin it like they did Fallout!
When TES 6 turns out to be shit, it'll be over for Bethesda.

I enjoyed the retarded Starship Troopers quest but thats about it

>>712873296
I kinda liked Amelia Earhart being a companion. She was s cute tomboy

>>712851336
lil bastard

>>712860076
The cut at :26 still cracks me up because he didn't have enough jetpack juice to actually make it to the ledge so they had to edit the part where he fell in the hole like a retard out.

>>712874580
when i got to that part i was much higher level but the shootout was just as infantile easy as the preview showed
when the spaceship landed my companion backtracked through the entire facility to get outside
the pirates ran a mile in the opposite direction because the pathing didn't know how to get down the mountain to get to me
i waited until they were far enough away to no longer count as enemies nearby, quick traveled to my ship, and left the planet

>>712849614 (OP)
Barely, and I played it for 30 hours

>>712849614 (OP)
I got high like i do before playing any video game but it was SOOO uninteresting I literally just forgot i even played it

>>712849614 (OP)
>saarfield

>>712863128
But anon, we're talking about Starfield not Death Stranding

>>712862752
Link

>>712875527
you know what fucking sucks
even when baked, this game fucking sucks

>>712856314
>shadman

>>712855867
>They got cold, dead eyes. Like a dolls eyes.

>>712874580
heh

>>712875637
India Superpower by... uh... 2100?

Besides the subhuman NPCs, how woke is it?

>"you can recruit crew to fill in the gaps your skills are lacking in!"
>recruit guy from the tutorial planet, has outpost engineering skill
>sweet so he'll let me place more complex outpost buildings without me needing to go down that tree?
>he doesn't, that skill contributes literally nothing to the player
>recruit space cowboy NotAdam Jensen
>oh cool he's got piloting 4 that'll let me buy these more advanced ships since he can pilot them for me
>he doesn't that skill only boosts speed by like 5% or something for the player
even during the height of criticizing starfield almost nobody talked about how much of an absolute fucking blueballing joke the crew skill system is

>>712876016
character dialogue makes you really FEEL like you're in a marvel movie

>>712857637
So I have to ask, can you leave tarzan girl stranded on the jungle planet and still romance sarah?

>>712849614 (OP)
i liked building ships but hated the restrictions

>>712850739
What a lack of organized religion does to a motherfucker. If you aren't worshiping the brands themselves you're canonizing the employees as new age saints.

>>712866968
Changing your build for the boss is basically conceding you can not beat him.

>>712876251
getting a ton of connection errors trying to upload pictures

>>712876251
Could you pad out these ships to the degree where you could actually live on them in space? With hydroponics, crafting stations and armories? That was the only thing that drew me to the concept before everything else started popping up.

I desperately need a good sci-fi game. Does it have any redeeming qualities at all after a year of updates or is still complete shit? What else should I play instead for a sci-fi fix?

>>712870525
You are not wrong, it's the only redeemable facet of this absolute shitfest.

>>712849614 (OP)
Is it really *that* bad? I've been playing Fallout 4 for the first time, and though it could be due to low expectations, I have been surprisingly entertained by the game. It's better than 3, at least. Certainly not the complete turd I was led to believe it was. Granted, I got the complete edition for ~$15, so maybe I would be more critical if I had payed full retail for the game. The normal price for the season pass is wild, and creation club is a racket.

>>712876824
It's mostly just a big nothing. Nothing memorable, nothing new, nothing fresh.

>>712876824
The whole game is just looking at loading screens as you go from one planet to the next
Combat is lame, characters and story suck, MUSIC is fucking unmemorable (which is the biggest sin of all for a Bethesda game)
There's just nothing worth remembering in this one

>>712849614 (OP)
I played it for maybe 15 minutes and was bored. It unironically was one of the most soulless games I've played recently. Did any of you actually beat it?

>>712876331
What makes you think my build wasn't already greatshield + spear?

>>712849614 (OP)
I remember trying to play it but the amount of constant stops pissed me off I quit after six hours

>>712850441
Apparently the game wasn't even supposed to be real. The guy who leaked Starfield admitted to not only making it up, but later confirmed Todd was freaking the fuck out about it because the leaker was proving he was a Bethesda insider and now they HAD to make Starfield because it was piquing investor interest in Zenimax.
I might be misremembering the order of events though.

>>712877048
Cause it's goofy aah

>>712877251
get drafted zoomie

>>712877251
you right I was lying that shits fucking boring

>>712876824
my problem with fo4 was that there were many locations with absolutely nothing in them. no loot, lore, or even a jokey arrangement of props. way less attention to building the world. fo3 certainly had less of that. if you went to a location, it had something. it even had an edgy FUCK YOU door when you opened it.

i feel like, in many ways, from 3 to 4 the bar was lowered. in starfield, the bar is lowered so far it's dropped straight through the floor. absolutely everything is boring, sterile, insulting to your intelligence, there's tons of repeated content. even gathering all of your skyrim shouts is literally 100% the same every time, and you're expected to do the same thing hundreds of times to max them. even if you factor out the loading screens, there is a LOT of padding; dead/down time. there was no passion or anything for this game. they didn't care.

>>712877593
Isn't it past your bedtime grandpa?

>>712876824
It feels almost identical to Fallout 4 just with ship building instead of settlement building.

>>712876465
You can build crafting stations and armories. Hydroponics arent in the game. You can sleep in your quarters and add tables and chairs plants and shit but its pretty limited. I like my captains quarters and everything but yeah the game is limited.

actually you have to build all the ships using living quarters you cant build single seat fighters.

>>712850441
>Can pull out a gun in the middle of new Atlantis
>Guards don't say shit
>Can point it in people's faces
>Guards don't say shit
>Can fire the gun
>Guards don't say shit, nobody reacts in any way
It all worked fine in skyrim

You shouldn't have even fucking been allowed weapons in the city, there should have been a guy at the docks checking for weapons, what's the fucking point of making liberty vs authority a part of your game if you don't do anything with one of the chief fucking debates around that besides a weapons seller vaguely talking about people getting violent in cowboy town.>>712851076
That's another good complaint about Starfield, how the fuck did they think it was acceptable to launch it without fishing.

>>712877765
Fallout 4 is better because the environment feels more real. The enemies being retards makes sense to since its the fuckin post apoclalypse and everything.

Starfield makes spacefaring look stupid and tedious.

So how do we alll feel about the big reveal midway through the game? the secret involving the engines

never really kept up with this game desu. how's the roleplaying in it?

>>712854768
They're fun

>>712878292
non exisistant

>todd-lers still defend this shit
lel
Also no man's sky mogs the shit out of those game specialy when it comes building cool settlements in space

>>712880095
No Mans Sky sucks fucking shit. Base building is tragically bad.