put together by modders from datamined files. The update's gonna be great.

>>712876641 (OP)
How is this even possible to beat

These bosses are getting too fucking absurd

>>712876641 (OP)
>attack with such a long wind up that it may as well not exist since you'd have to be ratarded to not get out of the way
>followed by wild, random flailing where you just have to spam roll and hope for the best
Yeah, this is total shit and it better not be what it actually ends up being.

>another nuke you run away from, i-frame or parry with cursed sword
Yawn.

peak rollslop

That doesn't look fun

>>712876641 (OP)
That's cool and all but I'm still gonna wait to pick it up until the first real DLC shows up.

i miss when from cared more about world and level design than boss fights bros

>>712876641 (OP)
Can't wait to cheese the shit out of it with Raider and Ironeye.

Looks great
T. Soulsvet

Calling yourself a souls veteran is extremely cringe.
t. guy who's beaten every Souls game

>>712876641 (OP)
jumped the fucking shark a long time ago

>>712879089
Not @'ing me is cowardly behaviour, fellow soulsvet

>>712877628
We're getting into MH Frontier territory

I prefer Lies of P

>>712879587
Elden Ring boss spergout combos were already there
Just stack damage negation on items and blessings and ignore it lmao

>>712879173
a fitting expression

>>712877628
yes and I love it, it looks KINO as all fuck

>>712879173
>rolled the shark
ftfy

>>712876641 (OP)
lmao it's literally just randomly reused assests from here and there put together

>>712877302
None of these moves are particularly challenging.

>>712879894
Reused from where, you stupid fucking tranny?

>>712876641 (OP)
wait this game wasn't complete when it released?

>>712879089
>>712878465
Cringe fake oldfags
t. Souls fan since demon souls launch day

>>712880159
Man, why can't From make absolute KINO bossfights like Capra Demon and Moonlight Butterfly anymore?

>gigantic time-based, unreactable, prior-knowledge-based AoE attack
Splendid! This is the very essence of fun!

>>712876641 (OP)
looks lame
t. demon souls remake vet

>>712876641 (OP)
looks incredible
t. King's Field 1 vet

>>712876641 (OP)
looks okay
t. shadow tower vet

>>712876641 (OP)
Looks fine
t. jackie chan vet

>>712880159
The funniest part is that there are plenty of arenas in ER where terrain is more varied and it fucking SUCKS ASS because from cannot program enemies to interact with terrain properly

>>712879587
yeah but frontier also makes the player ridiculous

>>712877302
this honestly looks less annoying than his 2nd phase with the stupid tentacle arm

>>712876641 (OP)
>more "wait till boss spends 15 seconds attacking, roll at the right time, and hit him a couple times" garbage
i can't believe people still eat this shit up. imagine playing punchout if glass joe had 10 hit combos and an absurd health pool. this type of boss fight stopped being novel after artorias

>>712876641 (OP)
FROM should make a Fate/Stay Night game at this point.

>>712881803
I can't believe you get off on making this same post 30 times a thread 10 threads a day

Not even Nioh bosses are this retarded and that game actually has a combat system that would fit this shit.

>>712884204
You've never even played nioh

>>712884308
I'm literally playing through Nioh 1 right now

>>712876641 (OP)
this is not even fucking gameplay, this is basically a cutscene with some QTE elements
you are just watching the enemy put on a performance while you are only allowed to press your little iframe cuck button
put on the usual generic choir orchestra slop in the background and the soulsfag is entertained
biggest shit eaters in gaming, even worse than nintendo drones

>>712880341
>prior-knowledge-based
Cant tell if bait or just retarded

When will fromsoft learn to design REAL bosses?

>>712885517
>she's already defending mayozucchini's bullshit even though she hasn't experienced it yet

>>712876641 (OP)
>shounenfromslop
Just go back to the DS1 style and pacing

>>712876641 (OP)
>reused spectral deer jumping on air animation

>>712876641 (OP)
34 seconds long and he gets 2 attacks in

>>712885750
but by that logic your troon ass can't say anything negative about that attack for the same reason...?

>>712885707
should have parried into judgment cut end

>another attack that might as well be a cutscene
yawn

>>712880010
>jump
from ancestral spirit
>charge attack
from scadutree avatar
>aoe
from radahns meteor attack

>>712886306
can you tell me how to dodge the instant, unreactable nuke-sized AoE without knowing the timing (prior knowledge of the length of the charging animation)?

Finally managed to kill this fucker, thought having +6 skill cooldown and extra skill use was what I needed but it turns out starting with frost and caligo's relic were a better choice; still used the +1 skill use, that extra iron eye dodge is great.

>>712884413
some of the DLC bosses can get bad but they're exceptions rather than the norm.

>>712879894
Welcome to fromsoftware games?

>>712886680
just run away from it lol

>>712876641 (OP)
Wow, ANOTHER knight prancing around like a ballerina while puking lasers? But he's a centaur? VERY cool. I bet his theme is a hans zimmer orchestra with ominous latin chanting

>>712876641 (OP)
this genre need to evolve
running away should be more punished: more damage if attacked on the back and easier backstabbing (when enemy does a jumping attack on you, maybe?)
back-stepping should grant you less damage, even more i-frames than rolling, and even something like a quasi-parry if you use it following up with an attack on an attacking enemy
parrying should also grant you a defense bonus

rolling away should always be punished the most, if you get hit; maybe falling on the ground and being susceptible to an even greater damage backstabbing

>>712885707
people play this, on playstation, they CHOSE this

>>712885707
>YWN be kept paralyzed by a volvidon as he endlessly tongues your prostate

>>712876641 (OP)
>Screenwide cancer spam
What is this, FFXIV?

>>712876641 (OP)
this feels like a satire of fromsoft bossfights. man what happened to their boss design philosophy? it just keeps straying further away from their original concept

>>712885707
kino
meanwhile in dork souls volvidon's spit would swerve 270º to hit you after missing, forcing you to I frame roll it. plus it would have tremors after spitting and during rolls, which would ignore poise and knock you on your ass. and its tongue would hit behind your block.

>>712876641 (OP)
that rain of light looks like cancer

are we getting raided

>>712888663
I think /v/ is just really, really retarded

>>712888659
just sprint
this is not elden ring. Sprinting here is fucking fast

>wanted to play nightreign with a friend
>friend wants to play dune awakening instead
which one will be deader if I postpone it a month or two?

>>712888725
>just sprint
ok now I'm stuck mid way through the blast with 0 stamina because sprinting eats 90% of the stamina
now what

>>712888768
that looks like 3-4 seconds wind-up
and stop mashing attack button anon
should be fine

>>712883731
Genius.

>>712880159
They have to make boss rooms as big flat arenas so bosses can spam zig-zag 360 slashes into aoe rain and then backstep 2 streets away.

>>712876641 (OP)
Elden Rings DLC and this look like shitty Chinese knockoff games.

>>712888869
That guy in the webm had full stamina and kept running but still had 70% hp deleted though.

>>712889562
I can sort of understand the million attack combos and 2km wide aoes since their design approach for most bosses these days seems to prioritise difficulty over interesting or creative fights, but I will never fucking understand why the hell they insist on making bosses that keep moving around all over the place constantly and you spend 70% of the fights just chasing after them. Why do they think this is entertaining?

>>712889783
>Why do they think this is entertaining?
Because they keep getting their dicks sucked for how amazing their boss battles are
The bulk of their audience is now telling them that this is entertaining

>>712876641 (OP)
>More fuckhuge explosions.

>>712889729
did you mean the big aoe attack? No he panically rolled two times before he started sprinting

>>712876641 (OP)
Quit rolling around like a retard

>>712876641 (OP)
>25 unnecessary rolls that didn't even iframe any attack
Elden Ring continues filtering shitters

>>712889783
but you don't have to chase? Maybe except for augur
You just need to stand still and the bosses will eventually chase you back

>>712884204
Nioh has OP dashspamming which doubles as faster than running fuck away tool. It's fake skill players favourite game because players like OP dashspam out of enemies attacks while Elden Ring is designed to punish using only dodge
OP's webm is a perfect example

>>712887630
DMC3 solved every question of action combat 20 years ago and every action game since then has been laser-focusing in on the exact wrong part of that game. We've had 20 years of action games trying to copy Royal Guard instead of 20 years of action games trying to copy jump-to-dodge and the style meter.

>>712876641 (OP)
I miss when souls battle was about learning the boss timing with fair attack not some anime bullshit like now

>>712876641 (OP)
>flies off and starts charging his nuke
>misses

>>712890715
The series genuinely needs more gimmick bosses

>>712889783
>why the hell they insist on making bosses that keep moving around all over the place constantly
The Elden Ring/SOTE bosses have very little excuse, but the new Nightreign bosses mostly seem to be well balanced to make you learn their patterns. Gaping Jaw is still a pain, but like Augur, the key is that he will make his way back to you. Augur's trickier in principle because it's movement is less direct, but in phase 2 it'll also spawn shit for the melee people to whack on anyway.

>>712876641 (OP)
this shit is why i stick to des, das, and das2.
i loved the series when it tried to be grounded and single hits had impact and were meaningful as i was sick and tired of all the wombo combo garbo action games of the ps2 and ps3 eras
now from has devolved into wombo combo garbo action games too, probably as a result of scaling up production and hiring the same people who made the wombo combo garbo acction games back then

>>712890765
yeah like in demon souls and some dark souls fight have some interesting boss fight with unique level instead of tekken stage

>>712890765
every single gimmick boss they have ever made has gotten shat on for being the worst boss in the game, while the most liked and praised bosses were always the straight fights like artorias, alonne, nameless king etc

>>712890765
They are still there, shitter

>>712890765
Every boss in Nightreign has a gimmick.

>>712890996
Almost every boss in Demon's was a gimmick in some way, people only think about things like Dragon God and it's copy Bed of Chaos

>>712889783
It's funny when you play Ironeye because at first you think his damage sucks but you get so many free hits when bosses start moving around that it ends up being a top DPS class because most other characters either have to get in melee range to deal damage or have spells with horrible tracking unlike his bow.

>die to some cheap boss attack that clipped you because of a tracking mechanism that makes no sense or awful invisible hitboxes
>30 minute run back
>win against boss because you jump attacked 3 times
>here's your 3 relics (+1% physical attack during an earthquake in japan, +2 to magic damage and one that swaps skill of your main weapon to kick) faggot

I think the barren wastes these threads seems to be is quite telling that people are not interested in Padding Souls.

>>712890996
you need to have shit bosses to make the good ones shine
when every single boss in the game is a rock star opera church choir singing to fantasy goth orchestra on a giant golden spectacle parade of super epic graphics, it becomes a thing that rapidly overstays its welcome

genuinely a struggle to think of any elden ring+dlc boss that doesn't involve a flat and sterile rectangle or circular arena and i hate that about it

>>712891439
You need to fuck off from my series and kill yourself, tourist

>>712891748
This is a tourist series, dipshit

>>712889562
This exposes a huge problem with nuFrom boss design.
They all feel the exact same to fight. Doesn't matter if its a fuck huge monster or a big knight. It feels the same.

>>712876641 (OP)
>We will never get truly hazardous environments like sen's fortress and shrine of amana again
>It's all just epileptic boss rush, corridors full of enemies and 16 swamps
What the FUCK happened ?

>>712893462
>What the FUCK happened ?
Sekiro and Elden Ring won GOTY back to back, and Elden Ring outsold the entire Souls franchise combined.

>>712893462
>We will never get truly hazardous environments like sen's fortress
That's every single catacomb and heroes grave in elden ring
>shrine of amana again
Haligtree's first section

>>712893462
dungeons are always full of traps and ambushes

>>712876641 (OP)
>that girly fairy prance as he flies up in the air
This is one of the gayest fucking things i have seen

>>712891102
>Almost every boss in Demon's was a gimmick in some way
And Penetrator is the most liked boss aside from the easy spectacle stormruler

i'veplayedthesegamesbefore.mp4

>>712876641 (OP)
This game has even worse designed bosses than Elden Shit
Only good boss Ive seen is the basilisk

>>712889783
You're supposed to use ranged attacks when they're far away
>noooo if I press any button besides R1 and O then /v/eddit will say I "didn't beat le game"

>>712889783
>why the hell they insist on making bosses that keep moving around all over the place constantly and you spend 70% of the fights just chasing after them.
Because the stance system and huge stagger on character abilities means bosses get absolutely destroyed if they can't run away

>>712877302
shoot at it till it dies

>>712894664
i specifically picked the melee class for a reason. if i have to stop playing melee in order to fight this boss, it's bad design. the same thing as when you're using fist weapons and half your attacks miss because the hitboxes are shit so you have to equip a longer weapon. just because there are ways to mitigate bad design does not excuse it.

>>712894908
that's a balance problem easily solved by increasing their stun threshold.

>>712894204
I gotta tell you anon, I wasn't a big fan of the imp rushing you from behind a corner for the 67th time.
But oh boy did my tune change for 68th time it happened !

>>712890289
So he need entire stamina bar to avoid that?

i am genuinely so surprised he didnt bring his weapon down into the ground for an AoE explosion when he lifts it at the end of the 10 second combo

>>712894374
>Stonefang tunnel has nothing but trash bosses and most of your upgrade materials in the bland stages
>Tower of latria is peak with intresting atmosphere, enemies, and bosses
>Boletaria is darksouls 2
>Stormy hill has the most ass stages, enemies, and pathetically easy bosses
If from hadn't been making similar games for years in king's field it would've been surprising they didn't quit after this.

>>712895413
nah, they've got a lot of good stuff, traps, hidden pathways and all, way better than shrine of fucking amana, for sure
my favourite dungeon was the one that had like 3 layers that were meant to make you think you're walking in circles, absolute kino

>>712885707
Rollvidonslop

>>712895413
The imps die to one guard counter riposte the whole game, only the watchdogs suck ass with their flying and wacky sword timings.

>>712895443
no but he did lock on the boss so yeah maybe
he ran a way the boss, not the nuke itself

>>712876641 (OP)
Fulghor is so cool.

>>712880297
Think they realized players just want a spectacle boss fight in a large area. If you look at players favorite boss fights for each game it's always these type of fights.

>>712895965
>nothing but trash bosses
There's firelurker, people like firelurker.

>>712876641 (OP)
Why wasn't this in at launch? Fromsoft uses assets from 15 years ago and they still released unfinished games, how?

>>712880297

Capra Demon was dogshit no pun intended

>>712890816
This is just the natural evolution of the series once they stopped making gauntlet style levels and rpg mechanics, they focused on EBIN boss fights instead.
Now we have Nightreign which is just a glorified boss rush with pre built characters.

>>712897149
And now they're making fucking fortnite for the switch
I wish they made RPGs again, don't even have to be souls anymore just revive king's field or whatever

>>712897027
To pretend there's an update when it's just content they already had done.

>>712897267
fortunately that we just had elden ring last year

>>712897027
The winning strategy now is to give "free updates" that are just finishing up a game that wasn't done at launch

>>712895861
He actually has a another combo not shown in that webm where he does that

>>712897281
>>712897346
So it's another "wait for updates to stop before you start playing" game. Great.

>>712897462
And wait for the paid dlc that will actually add a semblance of content (that will get old in about 5 hours again)

>>712876641 (OP)
I liked nightreign precisely because it didn't have these retarded blender combos. More than 50% of the time in this webm is spent rolling, and the other 30% is the windup at the start, and then 20% it's your turn.

>>712897614
>I liked nightreign precisely because it didn't have these retarded blender combos.
...what?
Nightreign bosses are the most spastic the series has ever seen, their comboes last like 12 attacks and end in a delayed explosion

>>712897614
yeah bad players exist that's crazy

>>712876641 (OP)
I need tips how to beat this mf solo on ironeye so i can finish his remembramce

>>712897724
Nta and I haven’t beaten it yet but of the ones I’ve fought so far they mostly do pretty normal attacks, there are still gay little delays on everything but like the augur boss doesn’t even really do combos and is just gimmicks

>>712897614
>>712897724
Yeah, Fulghor already has those spergout combos in his normal mode, this is just that with bigger AOE.

>>712897724
not at all. Gladius, Adel longest combo is maybe 3 hits, Caligo barely combos, hus fight is more about surge sprinting out of shit. Hoelster has a 4 hit combo. Augur is similar to Caligo. Only Libra came close to feeling super oppressive like that. Consort Radahn and Messmer by comparison had like 15 hit combos.

>>712876641 (OP)
Why don't they game make an action game already
This shit looks like an awkward middle ground between soulslop and action

>>712897724
ummm this is not lies of p: overture thread buddy

>>712897930
The final boss there is still less retarded than malenia or radahn.

>>712898001
neither malenia nor radahn have 10+ hits combo unless you count waterfowl. And malenia can be easily staggered as well

>>712897614
I’m betting there’s a way to mitigate this. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is his powered up form from failing to lightning him.
Alternatively, I’m sure it won’t be as annoying as it looks.

>>712898080
And you can parry/defend/avoid every move very easily.
Unlike waterfowl.

>>712876641 (OP)
I'm gonna PUNCH him so hard he will be kneeling for most of the battle.

>>712898120
luckily we also had block mechanic in elden ring!

>>712876641 (OP)
say it with me
>SPASTIC ANIME BULLSHIT

>>712880159
DELETE THIS

>>712898163
That works until malenia jumps over you and murder you instantly because you can't take a volley.
I don't know why you like pretending people didn't have problems with waterfowl.

I have been running into a substantial amount of shitters in the past couple days who 3bar right away at the night lord and then proceed to quit the game so they can keep their win streak

truly embarrassing.

>>712879587
so kino?

>>712897906
I thought AC6 was supposed to be an action game. Was it not?

>>712897724
me when I lie on the internet

>>712899208
>troon trying to pretend that Libra doing the explosive slam 15 times in a row is comparable to any boss from dark souls

>>712898724
and most people have problems with arlecchino too. What is your point?

>>712876641 (OP)
Why is fromsoft obsessed with lasers and AoE now? everyone has them. Enemies, bosses, YOU have them too. Everything explodes into lasers now.

>>712879089
this

>>712876641 (OP)
rollslop

>>712899261
can you give examples that are not that the bug that they have fixed weeks ago?

>>712880159
There are a lot of boss rooms with tons of shit in ER. Meanwhile the most meaningful boss battles in open arenas. Gwyn is arena, Manus and Artorias also fights on arena, even bed of chaos is arena. Pure cherry picking. You should compare ER to DemonSouls where almost every single boss fight is a gimmick fight.

>>712899586
>bug
The bug was doing it nonstop, the actual combo is still 15 attacks long

>>712880159
>Gaping Dragon
>Quelaag
>Priscilla
>4kings
>Stray Demon
>Seath
>Orsteing and Smough
>Sif
>Sanctuary Guardian
>Artorias
>Manus

>>712897614
>More than 50% of the time in this webm is spent rolling
>retarded niggers on /v/ still refuse to see rollslop for what it is

>>712899687
any proofs to back that shit up?

>>712899760
Play the game
This might be hard for the trannies of /v/ since it's clear you haven't fought any of the nightlords to begin with

>>712885707
This sucks

>>712897887
>>712898001
I beat Consort Radahn last year but haven't fought him since he was nerfed, what is he like now?

>>712899841
i did. But did you?

>>712898083
It's also a pre-release fight that's not actually intended to be played yet. The other phase 3 fights are also jank as hell (although in a way that makes them easy, not bullshit like this).

I don't feel like playing this game anymore unless they add new nightlords or an invasion mode or something. New phases won't cut it.

>>712876641 (OP)
This is literally Ozma's attack from the second phase of Khazan, just with a shittier base gameplay

>>712880159
Many people consider Artorias to be the best boss in DS1.
Guess what his arena looks like?

>>712900261
ok and? why is it weird to you to move on from a game after it's finished and you exhausted what's in it

>>712900338
almost like back then it was new and not every boss was that same boss already.
that said, AotA was already the beginning of the roll slop saga, it's fine in that game though since it's only 3 out of 20+ bosses.

>>712900348
I usually get 1000+ hours out of a souls game but I only got around 40 out of Nightreign even though it's designed to be replayable. The game is undercooked.

>>712900495
you're just someone easily manipulated by an illusion of variety which didn't exist in the first place

>>712899261
This is incomparable to anything SotE has to offer.
Retarded goat man doing slam that can be walked past (or rolled) to trigger another slam
Vs
Dual wielding dagger flame knight

>>712900589
That's a really dumb statement, If it were true I'd love Nightraign, but I don't

>>712876641 (OP)
what a beautiful game

>>712876641 (OP)
I loved the part when he said "Night, forgive me" before starting the spinbo.

>>712877302
This game really wants you to know that there are two ways to play the game, Ironeye or suboptimally.

>>712879089
as a souls veteran I can attest to this

>>712899870
still doing basic strings with pillars of light following up where he swung, still doing after image bullshittery that can be dodged, still a mess of a fucking fight that challenges you to not fall asleep unless you’re fighting him on ng and not ng+5

>>712879587
Frontier looks like a chinese fire frill but is actually pretty fair
Except for a couple z4 zeniths and musous

>>712900495
you beat all night lords in 40 hours?
why are shitposters always the best players in the game?
well before you delete the game from your pc, mind helping me finish the last three bosses? I can do with an easy run with someone as leet as you guiding me like a bebe.

>>712897724
The design philosophy for Nightreign bosses is totally different from normal Elden Ring bosses. ER bosses were designed with 15 hit combos and huge delays with the expectation that you were going to use a combination of dodging and jump to stay close and punish everything they did, Nightreign bosses on the other hand feel very MMOish, lots of charging attacks and huge aoes that require you to just chase them or run away instead of staying close and punishing. Not a single boss Nightreign is as complex as the dancing lion in SotE imo.

>>712894205
he's already half-horse. that's about as gay as it gets

>>712894205
Well he finally got his arm back so he pretty elated about that, enough to prance up to the heavens and celebrate with a golden explosion

Wish Guardian didn't have wings on the human armor set skins

>>712901408
Dancing lion is a shit boss with a bunch of retarded aoe attacks.

>>712902367
git gud

>>712879089
i agree
t. souls martyr, pariah and war hero

>>712876641 (OP)
>more aoeslop spam

t. soulsborne vet

>>712902367
Your iframes don't care whether it's AoE or single target

mathewmatosis is a fraud and the games have only gotten better

>>712886535
Just accept that the logical endpoint of this style of boss rush gameplay is a 3D shmup. Shadow of the Erdtree was already 90% downtime waiting for the bosses to stop, Nightreign should've taken the final step and changed attacking to be an automatic action so the player can focus completely on dodging the beamspam.

i love sitting and waiting 25 seconds before i can attack

>>712879837
do you find this exciting too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNK4VKeoBM

Ok, I installed the mod and tried fighting him.
The worst part of his kit is that 1000-hit anime combo in the OP. I have no clue how to avoid getting clipped by that, but the rest of his attacks are pretty manageable rollslop.
Also, this fucker spawns an extra one of those homing arrow AOEs per target, so Revenant's summons are completely useless against him and having them out at all just makes the fight harder.

>>712877302
his rolls were bad

>>712877302
Just wait until it's your turn to attack bro

>>712876641 (OP)
Sure looks "fun"

tranny game

they peaked here and regressed back to dark souls 3 design with elden ring. this should have been the sign that it truly was over for flanderizesoft.

>>712903693
>Shadow of the Erdtree was already 90% downtime waiting for the bosses to stop

No?

>>712876641 (OP)
Uh uh uhhh *blocks*

if this cunt appears in this game for the 19th time, i am never ever in a trillion years playing this shit.

>>712904386
>holy damage
better hope you found a fingerprint shield or you're getting chipped to death

>>712904402
It does

>>712904487
Uhhhmmmm *heals on block*

>>712880159
Yeah, that is one of many arguments why 'souls' is slop now.

>>712904402
there's even a quest where you're required to solo one with your starting weapon

I've been the night aspect alot, but I never , not once, managed to dodge his nuke. I just don't get it

>>712876641 (OP)
This looks fucking retarded

>>712904493
no fucking way dude. why are they so fucking obsessed with this one atrocious fucking enemy? it appears legit like 15 times across all of elden ring and its dlc. does game design = littering the map with spastic crazy enemies everywhere like its a shitty doom 2 wad made by a 13 year old? i thought they had learned their lesson from the retarded design of the 50 taurus demons in the demon ruins, but i guess not.

>>712904624
The one where he slams down? Him hitting the ground isn't an attack, it's the explosions that happen like half a second later. Or you can just go directly under him and not get hit.

>>712876641 (OP)

We went from the final guy in Dark Souls 1 being a dude with a fire sword to a boss in Elden Ring throign 300 magic arrows at you and making the ground explode in 30 square meters and then flying away.

>>712904658
Idk From doesn't understand that big enemies just suck in general in their games or they mistake annoying for difficult
I've never fought these things in a tactical way or whatever, I just spam attacks and it works out most of the time. Not hard, just bad design

>>712886548

me when a horse in a game uses animations similar to a moose in a game (they cheaped out and recycled assets)

>>712905173
>Run away from the arrow
>Roll through the combos twice and you have enough time to slap him on his ass before he turns around

It's litteraly just fancy animations, the gameplay isn't anything crazy

>>712904658
it's particularly funny that it was originally a cut ds3 boss that they somehow, for some reason, considered it was good enough for elden ring and not only that but decided to copypaste it 20 times.

>>712877628
Elden Ring is a high fantasy game about fucking literal gods. What did you expect, exactly?

>>712880159
I have come to terms that dark souls will never get a sequel or a spiritual succesor. If you allow yourself to enjoy elden ring as simple actionslop and drop all expectation of it you can still have fun though. Just treat them as different genres

>>712904817
Do you need to roll if you're directly under him?

>>712890996

this is true but to be fair not every fucking boss needs to be Slave Knight Gael, Slave Knight was the las tboss of the series, nowadays it feels like every fucking boss is a world ending threat because they make your screen turn into a lightshow

>>712880341
Ult stagger them out of it, retard.

>>712885132
>Boss having a sperg out
>Casually dodge/parry/block all of his sjit with little effort
>Try and claim the player is the cuck in this scenario
Sorry about the arm, retard.

>>712905424
No. It's harder than it sounds to get under him though because of the camera

>>712905386
that your stats as you progress and get better actually do something. Imagine leveling strength and instead of swinging a claymore like it's a fucking tree trunk you perform proper slashes that don't take an age to recover from. Or leveling dex changing your dodge from a long roll to a quickstep instead of that being a stupid fucking ash of war

>>712904402
>"Man that snake soul boss in the dark souls 3 files is so mysterious, i can't help but wonder what it could've been, i really want it back..."

>>712905284

I'm not saying that it's crazy difficult, but I do think there's something to say for appreciating the simplicity of earlier games meanwhile now they need to make every boss into an epic guy that will do an anime shonen battle with you throwing beams and shit all over a big arena.

Maybe it comes down to taste, and I don't think the bosses in nightreign are bad, hell, not even in shadow of the erdtree, everyone but Radahn was pretty good.

But it has to be a testament to something, the fact that I inmediately groaned in an automatic reaction as soon as I saw the centaur start floating and his weapon glowing

>>712876641 (OP)
I'll do the same shit as always, ignore what they do as Raider and just bruteforce that cringe

>>712879089
>souls vet
>"beaten every souls game"
lmao bet you never even did a SL1 playthrough

>>712905848
You can still be a vet, even if you're not special forces.

>>712904402
Tree spirit is completely trivialized by just blocking. I won't argue that its still spastic jank

>>712905245
clitty damage post

>>712877628
HARD=GOOD

>>712880159
Thank you for this image, been trying to make this point for years. Even Dark Souls II is several times better at this than DS3 and Elden Ring.

>>712876641 (OP)
>boss spams 100 hit combos, flies/teleports around the arena and shoots laser beams in all directions
>meanwhile the player is limited to 1-2 short attack strings and a cooldown or resource limited "special", is glued to the ground and the only way of avoiding damage is rolling around like a retard or spamming parry
Why is every modern "action" game like this?

>>712876641 (OP)
whoever is playing is absolute dogshit

>>712906543
I curse the world everyday because people who believe this actually exist and they have the power to influence game industry by propagating virtual elitism of internet social status gained from artificial difficulties, which is basically "I enjoy suffering so everyone else should too".

>>712876641 (OP)
full map attacks where you can only dodge at the last second is artificial difficulty

>>712907260
>Run away from the arrow
>Roll through his charge
>Slap the boss on the ass if you're quick
>Roll through his charge again

This is still the same 2010s gameplay

>>712905726
The anime step looks gay and will never fit a slow paced medieval fantasy adventure game.

>>712907260
Action game design stagnated after 8 bit consoles. It might've even gone backwards since sprite era action games had a greater emphasis on vertical movement.

>>712907849
the last time these games were slow paced was DS2 over 10 years ago.

ok ,now what ?

>>712908207
buy the day one dlc like the fucking piggy you are

>>712907260
If you are only doing 1-2 attacks in a combo in either Elden Ring of Nightreign, you are fucking terrible. You get stamina out the ass, attacks on roll, attacks on jumps, and now attacks on blocks.

/v/ needs to take their own advice and legit git gud.

>>712904402
I will never understand how people struggle against this guy. Seriously, he has the most predictable, easy to dodge moves out of all bosses in ER. It really shows how it's a scrapped DS3 Boss.
Both of my friends i play NR with refuse to fight them, while having no problem with much harder bosses. Meanwhile, i leaned back in my chair when this dude showed up during the raider remembrance quest.

>>712876641 (OP)
>roll around for 30 seconds
>only hit the boss twice
>still get caught in his attack afterwards
kek you know miyacucki is just fucking you faggots now right?

>>712908207
First we mine then we craft. Let's nightreign

>MFW ENEMIES HAVE CRAZY TRACKING
I FUCKING HATE YOU FROMSOFTWARE

>>712908991
its not necessarily that, its just that he is extremely badly designed and annoying as fuck to encounter. its just very cheap and lame

>>712876641 (OP)
How the fuck are you even remotely supposed to figure out how to evade that first one?

>>712901092
I beat all nightlords in 20 hours. I hope the new update brings some much needed challenge because the game is a snoozefest as it is right.

>>712911703
The only dumb thing about the worm is learning the moves that look like movement, once you do he’s piss easy

>>712912305
yeah its a complete clusterfuck when you encounter him the first couple of times in the tight ass boss rooms in the catacombs and shit where the camera goes nuts. its ridiculous and badly designed. this boss should have been encountered once or maybe twice. not 15.

>>712908991
I think part of it has to do with him showing up in a bunch of cramped spaces where he just slides all over the place, dragging your lock-on with it
it's a very not fun experience

but yeah, give me this guy over a gargoyle or shitbird any day

>>712876641 (OP)
Okay, so this "3rd" phase doesn't come after the 2nd phase and is instead a possible variant? Saying because normally he grows a giant goo hand in phase 2, having him run around with a magic bow-spear seems kinda incompatible with that.

Would be neat as a like "you fight one of two boss variants for each nightlord" thing.

God I miss Demon Souls and Dark Souls 1. Back when it was about the level design and interconnectivity. Sure you could just strafe left or right around the bosses but idk. Perhaps Dark Souls 3 bosses were the perfect amount of challenge. I'm honestly tired of FS products since Elden Ring. At least AC6 was decent. Even company is trying to make Soulslikes these days it's embarrassing

>>712880159
To be fair, two of the DS1 examples are gimmick fights and two are regular enemies with like two attacks where the arena itself is the gimmick.
Bosses in later games are much more complex with larger movesets, so they can be given a big arena where the player learns to fight the boss itself rather than learning to navigate the gimmicky boss arena.

Fucking Old Iron King, 90% of the difficulty of that boss is the random small hole on the platform you fight him on. Fuck that, I'll take a circular arena anyday.

>>712879089
probably got souls court martialled

>>712907849
You say this as if they can't change the animation to make it fit better.

>>712876641 (OP)
Lmao this looks fucking stupid.

>>712912760
DS3 was pretty much the same design philosophy as ER. In fact, it was probably worse because you still had a lot of DS1/DS2 style weapon movesets and spells that were borderline unusable against the more spastic enemies.

>>712876641 (OP)
Derivative trash

>>712876641 (OP)
Derivative masterpiece

>>712905386
same
i treated ds2 as a misstep
ds3 was okay but not as great
but after elden ring and its effective removal of invasions and covenants i've stopped coping
nightreign and duskbloods might be pretty fun of course, but nothing will hit like ds1 ever again. that game and demons are the only ones that felt well thought-out and not just vague for the sake of vagueness. ds1 characters are still iconic and are their best.

>>712876641 (OP)
Needs M0AR Roll !!!!!

>>712913680
It was way better in DS3 because talismans had a hyper armor thing you could use to power through attacks
Elden Ring has none of that so the slower spells just suck dick

>>712916434
You are intended to use the spirit ashes so you can get the big spells off

>Dark Souls 1 fags getting nostalgic over their downgraded, unfinished game where you would literally get stuck on the floor by merely walking on it

>>712916952
to be fair, that still happens even in nightreign

t. lost a run to it

>>712915805
You were part of the problem, given what you typed

>>712877628
It's because they are designed to deal with teams. Every boss seems to be easier solo than they are against a team in my experience.

>>712917875
by your gay vague answer i can deduce that you're a buttblasted ds2 tranny. did i hit the mark?

Yeah idk this game continues to not look like it's for me.
Glad I skipped.
Maybe the next From (not Duskbloods) game will be more up my alley.

>>712891748
embarrassing non-argument

cool more anime bullshit where the boss is in the air for 30 years and i cant actually hit them

>>712876641 (OP)
Ok but when is it my turn to attack?

>>712885707
>volvidon is a souls player
based

>>712918912
>uhh you idiot there's actually a three frame window for you to get an R1 in after every one of his four-hit normal strings.
>if you just keep fishing for chip damage he's really easy

>>712876641 (OP)
if they're gonna give bosses DMC style moves, they might as well change the way dodging works in this game, so fucking outdated to just roll around like a tard

>>712919374
Recluse (and Duchess, I believe) don't roll. Truly best characters.

>>712919374
>pick Executor
>play Sekiro in Elden ring

>>712919751
raider doesn't roll either

>>712897149
>>712890816
Yeah I miss when Big huge guys walked and moved like big huge guys with big huge weapons.

Most bosses now are just the Iron Giant with the speed of a damn jet. It was so much cooler when a HUGE slow boss was slowly charging at you to do a massive attack.

>harder version of the boss is harder
So what's the issue here?
If you don't like it, don't do it.
This reminds me of "extreme measures" in Hades, that's fun. I like optionally harder bosses, you get to warm up to their normal fight, and then when you're ready you can choose to do the harder fights and have to re-adapt.

>>712880159
A picture really is worth a thousand words. Jesus what the fuck happened?

>>712895142
TRUE! I shouldn't have to adapt my strategies. I should be able to win as long as I spam r1 and roll at the right time

>>712876641 (OP)
This looks like a parody.

>>712921519
cherrypicking

>>712877302
seems like a pretty standard roll left/right fight desu

>>712921519
Level design took a back seat to epic anime zanzibart slop boss fights

>>712877302
Doesn’t seem that bad. Wylder can grapple under him for the transition nuke, Raider can just fist it.
You should see Pest’s phase 3.

Zanzibart, Forgiveness of the Night

The last thing I wanted was this shit to get even harder. I beat the last 4 or 5 and never want to see them again.

>>712876641 (OP)
who cares lmao americans aren't human

its okay i can carry

>>712923987
dude it's not first day anymore. Most random parties get to level 15 now

>>712921316
>So what's the issue here?
I want to feel like I'm a good player without actually facing any sort of challenge and this new third phase is a threat to my ego

>>712893462
>sen's fortress
>*blocks ur path*
A lot of the ER dungeons absolutely shit on the treachery of Sen's Fortress. Not to mention the creative design of stuff like the catacomb that trolls you by having two similar loops with a hidden way out, the teleporter trap dungeon, or all of the Hero's Graves.

>>712876641 (OP)
>boss goes SSJ, attaches nuclear bombs to both sides of his twinblade, and does flailing bullshit combo
>intended player response:
>run away
>roll behind him
>stun him out of it
So nothing new then? Souls difficulty is consolidated entirely within knowledge checks and intentionally non-intuitive design, that once you figure out, is not very hard to deal with. I call it 'waterfowl game design'.
>>712925294
>b-but unnamed unmarked indistinct clone dungeon!
don't care

>>712924959
Anecdote vs. anecdote.

>>712918912
It's always my turn to attack.
t. Raider

sekiro's a bad game

For $200 I could get a real medieval helmet

>>712925829
>Tank 2 hits out of the 16 hit Air combo
>1% HP

What is the point of lying when a good chunk of people here have already played the game. I don't get it

>>712926174
Unironically a skill issue. Both in NR and the base game. I played both as a Vigmaxxing degenerate and you can get really far with just facetanking bosses with charged heavies. You have about a million ways to increase your damage soak and people still go
>muh rollslop

>>712905381
>What did you expect, exactly?
Player not being a cuck midget with a stick who can win thanks to magical power of becoming invulnerable while rolling on the floor.

Seriously those games are some kind of humiliation simulator, or perhaps, a powerlessness fantasy. .

>>712876641 (OP)
>An enemy enters unreachable, invulnerable state for 20 seconds and you have to just wait like a retard until it ends
Why are fromshit drones okay with this? It's just pointless time wasting.

>>712893462
>Cries about spam of enemies and 16 swamps
>Fucking Shrine of Amana as an example of the opposite
Who are you even trying to bait?

>>712889783
made for BWC

>>712896958
>people like firelurker.
I've never seen people like fire lurker

>>712925997
>For $200 I could get a real medieval helmet made of plastic

>>712895142
>i specifically picked the melee class for a reason.
Every single class in D&D, whether they're a melee combatant or a caster, has in their starting package a bow, a crossbow or a sling. In Nightreign, you also have infinite ammo. Use your fucking bow, goy.

>>712876641 (OP)
>enemy that was already annoying for sprinting around the map now occasionally flies while doing it
I stand by my statement about the boss design in this game being dogshit.

>>712908305
Stamina isn't the limiting factor, you retard. It's the boss' aggression that generally gives you limited attack windows, whether that's because they're going apeshit on you or are sprinting off in another direction to go apeshit on a teammate.

>>712876641 (OP)
When will the player be able to nuke the world?
Meteorite doesn't count.

>>712928650
>use bow
you didn't beat the game

this anime

>>712876641 (OP)
I'll be honest when Morgot in the tutorial started doing his 12 hit long attack strings I instantly got from fatigue and had to refund, I pray whatever they release after duskslop is something different like sekiro or armored core

>>712927072
>invulnerable
He'll 100% be knocked out of it by any lightning damage

revenant is a useless onahole. Stop picking her

>>712932912
i pick revenant and always look for a weapon with lightning ram on it so i can make sheep noises and roll around

>>712880159
Quick reminder that it wasn't bosses what made Dark Souls 1 so great
It was exploration + level design + atmosphere
Roll slop is just trying to emulate Bloodborne in the Dark souls/Elden Ring setting

>>712901092
I beat the nightlords in 15 hours. I'm at 50h currently trying to get all the costumes and finish all remembrances, but its getting boring at this point.

>>the most popular game/genre ever is a hard skillfilter for transgenders who have been playing undertale clones for the past decade

>>712911545
It wouldn't be so bad if they was lazily programmed to where they don't even walk but just magically homing slide towards you

>>712901092
>you beat all night lords in 40 hours?
is that weird? i got the last one in 33-34 hours with randoms, first days were awful tho

>>712907260
Same thing that happened to shmups. Look at old shmups where enemies shot at you just one bullet and you dodge that and shoot back, and now devs fill the screen with 10000 bullets.
Players get better at games and then the devs need to make it harder or else it isn't fun.
Its basically an arms race between players and devs.

>>712880159
Why is there not a single good dragon fight in Dark Souls?
Why is there not a single boss that uses terrain to its advantage like Maliketh?

>>712905386
Everything good about Dark Souls only existed because you sucked ass at the game and didn't understand how Souls games were made.
If you'd have played King's Field or Demons Souls you would have been far less impressed because all of the verbiage and design of the game would have been old hat for you.

>>712903693
>Nightreign should've taken the final step and changed attacking to be an automatic action
funny it kinda does by having periodic glintblade passives

>>712890714
DMC solved nothing because its button mashing combat is dogshit from the foundations.

>>712934046
and yet they still haven't made a game as good as dark souls 1 again so you're full of shit

>>712933915
>Why is there not a single good dragon fight in Dark Souls?
Midir is a good dragon fight.

>>712934250
They did though. It's called Dark Souls 2.

>>712904658
The funniest part is that one of the characters has a flashback thing where he's fighting some rival pirate in a gladitorial arena. You get the guy down the half health.... and he turns into a tree spirit. I laughed

>>712904658
I hated any encounter with a passion. Worst offenders are the one underneath the castle that glitches through the entire arena walls left and right and ofc vid related.
Its bad gamedesign - the boss

>>712933915
I thought Caligo's fight was pretty good. Hopefully the phase 3 will make her harder.

>>712933915
midir is fun, sinh and kalameet aren't spectacular but they're a lot more tolerable than 99% of the dragons you run into in elden ring

Give the top 3 characters for shitters

>>712934723
executor
duchess
recluse
all 3 of these constantly eat shit in my games if it's a pug

>>712934723
ironeye
wylder
executor that doesnt use L2

looks like an autistic fanmod
from is such a fucking joke now

>>712934846
>tryhard only played by people that want to win
>john ring with a gap closer, instant KO and cheat death
how do either of those shit up your games, they're free wins each

>>712904402
Git gud

>>712912760
>I'm honestly tired of FS products since Elden Ring
>At least AC6 was decent
AC6 was actually fucking great but yeah, im tired aswell. After beating that flame giant in ER i realised that i didnt really have any fun whatsoever.
The past highs when finally beating bosses like O&S got replaced by "glad thats over"

>>712934436
PEAK souls 2 mentioned, have an updoot kind stranger

>>712934723
Revenant
Ironeye
Duchess

>>712934945
>ironeye
mouthbreather that doesnt pick items, doesnt understand damage falloff and instantly goes down on fights
>john ***htreign
pic related. And of course he doesnt know how to charge ult

>>712925294
FUCK THESE THINGS, JESUS CHRIST. THE HERO GRAVES MADE MY BLOOD BOIL

new patch alert
>new patch alert
new patch alert
>new patch alert

>>712934723
>Raider
You can hit a button and ignore boss anime combo damage. Best tank.

>>712934952
Look at this badly designed joke. The model is so big it simply glitches through the environment left and right. It looks so fucking bad.

Call me old fashioned but fight where you are dodging longer than you are attacking is not fun at all

Never carried so hard in my life. The one time I went down myself is the last time I even attempted to pick these fuckers up with anything but ult.

>>712935693
>Le collisions
Literally doesn't matter.
Ulcerated Spirits filter shitters because you have to space his attacks or move around and that's beyond the intellect of Elden Ring haters

>>712936051
Still bad game design

>>712935814
"Old fashioned" we used to call you shitters back in the old days

>>712876641 (OP)
POST MORE PHASE 3 WEBM!

>>712935693
git gud

>>712936192
frfr back in 2022 blud would've been told skill issue no cap, big L + maidenless :skull:

>>712936628

>>712877302
>attacks tick nipples of health after half of minute of no attack window
roll slop now can anyone a fan of dark souls defend this shit

>>712934452
>Okay this character is all about dueling his opponents we already did a gladiator and a lion where do we go from here?
God it was such fucking bullshit to see that piece of shit show up.

>>712936628

>>712879767
Damage negation at full HP and taking damage goes crazy

>>712936628
i'm out of webm

>>712934250
You think DS1 is better because your first Souls game is always uniquely magical.

>>712937108
>>712937779
>>712937850
Based thanks king!

>>712925571
is there a safe patch for cracked NR?
fitgirl comments have one but the linked files had like 45 hit on virustotal

Live service fromslop

>>712936628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9E9_fDzDks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUL93YpWu34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6rDFF4XlHg

>>712938057
wrong

why is there so much porn on the front page on /v/? it's a gigantic uptick too

>>712885707
Why didn't the dog hit him out of stun?

>>712938607
Sometimes they don't, but also doesn't work for paralysis

>>712938190
holy shit. this is the kino ive been waiting for

>>712926174
Why are you not taking two weapons with “taking damage negates dmg”? Having two high rolls of those will make taking that twin blade flurry of retardation a joke as raider, mix it with low dmg negation or charge dmg negation and you’ll never die if you focus on getting hit to keep the dmg negation after hit up

>>712876641 (OP)
this should have just been dlc content

>>712926727
you can literally do an "all hit run" of Malenia. its really funny

>>712939193
its just stand alone DLC like Far cry blood dragon

>>712876641 (OP)
Fromsoftware lost sight of what made their games great IMO.
All feels like self-perpetuating slop now.

>>712938057
I played 2 first. And yes it was a straight downgrade in every way

>>712939193
I've nearing 100 hours of my time sunk into this game. I don't really care

>>712939407
I disagree. Nightreign is finally bringing back real gimmicks on bosses instead of the slop that made up most of Elden Ring's

>>712924214
>random thirdie seething
?

>>712936051
>because you have to space his attacks or move around
You literally don't though. You just spam attacks somewhere close to it while it gltiches through everything and it's dead. Difficulty isn't the issue here
It's an awful fucking enemy you braindead fromdrone

>>712877302
Hard mode will probably give you equally crazy gear & relics; or they go full retard and just slap on the 3rd phase while upping the boss' hp & damage.

>>712940019
i'm gonna bet on the latter

>>712889783
They're balancing between playstyles.
Bosses that keep distance are preferable for magic users or ranged builds, while bosses that spend the entire time rushing the player are preferable for melee builds.
Both groups need bosses that benefit them more than the other.

Casters get their dick flattened by Consort Radan or Messmer, but have a much easier time with Malenia or Placudisax, for example.

>>712940146
Yeah...

>>712895142
>i specifically limited myself to one thing and if the game doesn't jerk me off for that its a bad game
If I want to just spam glintstone pebble, do you think the game should be balanced around that?

>>712893462
Just play any of ER's dungeons outside of Limgrave.

>>712940372
Yes? Why does everyone have to be an omni class using everything?

>boss swings a sword
>entire body is a hitbox that knocks you back for standing near it
>but also the boss is sliding and teleporting on top of your constantly so positioning doesn't matter
Dark Souls 3 was a fucking mistake

>>712940603
Because it is impossible to create a satisfying experience when every hyper limited build has an easy road to beating any challenge.
Melee builds are given access to a variety of consumables and ranged weapons to make up for having poor reach, casters have access to attack spells and weapons that scale with casting stats for up close.
You don't have to make an all-rounder SL 300 build with 60 in every stat to beat the game, but you have to be willing to adapt to challenges within the scope of your general build.

>>712890714
All DMC games are comboslop with HP sponge ragdoll enemkes, Souls should be nothing like that.

>>712940967
You're missing the point. Jumping and style are the things I'm talking about, not whatever's got you triggered.

>>712940854
>Because it is impossible to create a satisfying experience when every hyper limited build has an easy road to beating any challenge.
Nobody thought demon's souls was bad just because Royal was op.

>>712941124
Style is also a slop mechanic that forces everyone to essentially approach the game the same way.
Souls allowing both passive and aggressive play and having tons of tools to accommodate any sort of playstyle is far superior design.

>>712941124
>jump to dodge
no different from roll to dodge
>style
arbitrary numbers game

>>712935693
>The model is so big it simply glitches through the environment left and right
Who fucking cares, retard?

>>712876641 (OP)
I did the tutorial today, why do bosses take such little damage in this game?

>>712941392
probably cause you got shit gear, if you are playing solo and get good rng they get demolished

>>712907260
Because you can now poise and damage reduction stack to facetank the vast majority of bosses in Vanilla. Or blast them with lasers. Or stack Frost and Bleed to chunk the tankiest bosses a ton. Or do a million things that close the gap.
In Nightreign you're playing with 2 other dudes that will save your ass.

>>712941392
Because you're expected to both get equipped for their weaknesses, learn and know their movesets, and utilize your character's specific abilities. As proof, you don't have to die in the tutorial. You CAN beat Morgott, and the game gives you a unique relic for defeating him. You can retry the tutorial from the codex if you want to take him on again.

>>712941778
>As proof, you don't have to die in the tutorial
Demon's Souls and Elden Ring both did that. You can also beat Genichiro in Sekiro but he still kills you in the cutscene unlike the others where you die a different way.

>>712876641 (OP)
I honestly don't know why these games are popular
>have huge hp bar
>lose 90% of it with any hit
>enemy runs around like he is on crack and attacks none stop
>you run out of stamina after 2 attacks
>spend 90% of the fight rolling around like a tard

>>712942568
Elden Ring's is such bullshit that I refuse to admit the game isn't bugged there. The fight with the Grafted Scion can end without you hitting 0 HP, it plays the crashing sound as if you fell off the cliff for the alternate death, and you don't even get the courtesy of actually dying, it just cuts to black.

>>712941172
Demon's Souls was never praised for its combat.

>>712904158
>Parryslop
I just wanted a kino ds1 experience in feudal Japan fighting yokai and shit and instead got parryslop. Life isn't fair

>>712887630
Bosses do have attacks that punish being a pussy
Maris
>Sleep pose and nuke can both be hit to deal damage and stagger the boss while running away losses you an incredible amount of time
Caligo
>Ice sky attack has a donut aoe where it is allowing you to get free hits in, if you run away you are now a mile from the boss
>Ice storm attack where you get hit no matter where you are so you need to get close behind the ice pillars

>>712904158
DS3 is a vastly superior game to Sekiro in basically every way.

FUCK YOU STEAM YOU KILLED MY RUN

>>712943594
same :(

>>712934723
raider
guardian
ironeye

raider can get to a point where you won't even need to dodge anymore if you build around resistances, if you also get bonus poise it gets ridiculous
guardian you just hold your shield up
ironeye is self explanatory

>>712877302
just roll forward bro
it always works, even if the boss drops a nuke on your ass

Is there a way to mod in these remembrance relics at all? not only do I think the personal objectives are boring, its also really bad that it takes so long to actually get their signature relics, by the time I'm finished with Wylder's for example I'm already kind of sick of playing with him and want to move on to another character

>>712904402
From apparently went out of their way to use the worst enemies they have ever created and put them all in one game
Fucking Dragonkin Soldier for example
Of all bosses
That fucking thing has like no hitbox kek
You are supposed to fight it on horseback in ER. Ofc you can do it without but it's awkward as fuck

>>712934723
As a recommendation for shitters or ones that shitters play?
Recommended:
Ironeye
Wylder
Raider

Shitters found playing:
Ironeye
Duchess
Executor

>>712934723
ironeye, especially after you get a +1 skill use relic - yuuuge iframes when using it
raider, just facetanks and staggers everything
wylder, he's strong + durable out the box, plus his skills are just as effective as they are fun to use

>>712943916
>guardian you just hold your shield up
Nooooooo. Only shit Guardians just hold their shield up. Good Guardians enter the Steel Guard stance when needed and drop it when they don't.

If they add in the dueling shields from SOTE than suddenly Guardian will go from an alright character to one of the best
except not really because there's only two of them so it'd be inconsistent to get

>>712943487
What an insane statement. DS3 is the blandest of the souls games.

>>712944549
On the one hand, I want to offer Guardian as by far the easiest, at least in terms of execution. The problem is I've seen so many play him wrong.

>>712948468
How do good Guardians play?

>>712950387
Stay in the enemies face, block everything, reflect everything, poke constantly. If you EVER complain about his short dodge you're playing him wrong.

>>712900951
there's nothing fair about disu

>>712945721
If you're fighting something like Night Aspect (huminoid bosses that attack constantly) the only time you drop steel guard is to chase the enemy or regen stamina.

Something bigger and slower like Fissure and you might not use it at all. There's little point in trying to tank something like that that uses slow AOEs for everything when you're better standing on its feet anyway.

>>712877628
elden ring cemented the fact that nioh is the better souls franchise, from cuckware has gone senile

>the survey makes you admit that you don't know how to play the game if you want to call it difficult
lmao
https://survey.bandainamcoent.co.jp/jfe/form/SV_ezFcLevNV9hPkSa

>>712876641 (OP)
So the boss that goes from Iudex Gundyr Phase 1 to Iudex Gundyr Phase 2 has a third phase which is basically Champion Gundyr.

I don't know why I expected something else.

>>712898193
But the games Souls haters claim are better are also spastic anime bullshit (Monster Hunter, Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden). The only difference is it's the player doing it instead of the enemy.

i just hope these hard mode variants change up the regular game a bit too.

>>712937850
That fucker's name is FARTIS?

>>712952368
dark souls 3 has more concurrent players than nioh 2

>>712953016
and fortnite has more players than any game ever, go play that one because clearly more players = better game right? nigger faggot

>>712951680
The whole point of Caligo is spacing, it's an MMO boss. If there's pillars stand behind them, if it does its giant crystal sky structure then run to it because it won't attack itself. But Steel Guard has served me well when I'm far away and it's targeting me with something I can't avoid or outrun.

>>712952368
>shitohfag inferiority complex post #377589977736
yawn

>>712876641 (OP)
>Retarded shit boss gets even more retarded and shit

>>712948468
Steel Guard input confuses a surprising number of people, and there's some degree of nuance to staying close enough with block pushback to still hit with attacks. He's pretty brain-off for the most part but I'd argue Raider with rally relic is the simplest.

>>712953015
that's mr. stoneshield to you, pal

>>712905381
extremely reddit response

>>712956637
Guardian also has charged guard counters, which work with halberds and spears that use the halberd moveset. They do more stagger damage and can be used from further away, so stacking Guard Up, Guard Counter, and Heal on Guard help him a lot.

>>712957018
Also, stacking Stance Break helps tremendously too.

>>712955269
>no arguments
guess you conceded!

>>712957417
Id like to see some of yours first, shitohsissy

this thread shows we need to seriously discuss the future of fromsoft and soulslikes, its getting unbearable

>>712957783
why would I, nioh is getting its second sequel, meanwhile your meme series is already pandering to the fortnite audience to survive lol

>>712958745
damn why is duchess so shitty

Finally beat Heolstor, went full casual but I did it. Now I'm safe in case those 3rd phases are mandatory and not optional. Also, where could we possibly be going after becoming a tree? At first I thought we'd be the grace leaf that wakes up our tarnished in elden ring but then the tree started walking.

>>712876641 (OP)
this shit is AI isnt it? looks stupid

>>712960821
>this shit is AI isnt it?
No. You're just a paranoid faggot.

>>712960821
Modded, anon, you were supposed to say "this shit is modded, isn't it?"

>>712961147
since its an online game i doubt anyone is risking a ban

>>712961256
>i doubt anyone is risking a ba
lmao, ps5 is full of faggots with moded relics using unavailable buffs

>>712959541
she's a battlemage with high mobility. making her any stronger would make her broken as fuck.

>>712961368
proof?

>>712921519
It's awful cherrypicking you retard
>>712899689

>>712961803
nightreign subreddit is full of them, pc should be worse since is easier to cheat

I beat the final night lord guys, it’s so much fun

>>712935061
>>712912760
Nta but the feel was way different too. There was this serious tension when you finally fought a boss, you didnt want to do that whole boss run again, and the encounter wasnt unfair, yet you still felt this feeling of dread and your attention was peaked

Modern bosses from DS3 and ER I feel no tension. Just feels like I'm sitting down for a study session, trying to get the musclememory going and just glad its over. It feels more like "fuck your bullshit, glad I dont have to do that again" instead of the "i feel like I actually survived a harrowing battle that I shouldn't have" kind of high.

Or I dunno, beating O&S is one of the better gaming moments for me

>>712876641 (OP)
I never will understand why people find this type of combat enjoyable. It's tedious, monotonous, garbage.

>>712963171
I never will understand why you find the type of things you like enjoyable. They're tedious, monotonous garbage.

>>712890765
No, these games need to make your character less of an 80 year old man with arthritis. The reason why Sekiro's combat is so damn good is because you are an equal fighter to your bosses.

>tfw get two Siluria's Trees in a single run
Blessed

>>712959541
Duchess is kind of awkward but A int is very workable.
Guardian is actual shit though, better hope your team doesn't mind you dealing zero damage.
Give him B dex and then reduce the stamina cost of activating his skill and he'd be a lot better.

>>712948468
Guardian looks like he'd be a good beginner character but it's way too easy for him to become dead weight thanks to his poor damage potential out the gate and you need to be able to manage your stamina to actually use him with any degree of effectiveness.

>>712963754
You just need to keep dropping extended whirlwinds, the individual ticks may be small but they really add up over the course of a fight and they only take about as long as a light attack to cast.

>>712951062
This is a bad guardian player that regularly gets shield broken.

>>712878313
I don't know when the fuck was the damage done.
Dark Souls 2 is exactly what you said, it was the right direction. It understood the world of DS as its main appeal and made it bigger with even more lore, a clear story, timetravel quests, and hard as shit areas to clear because that was also the main form of difficulty in DS1.

Then Miyazaki returns for 3 and goes
>Nu-uh, what people remember about my game is Ornstein and Smough, let's do more le epic boss fights.
And that's our current timeline, when DS1 was never truly about bosses. If anything I remember more memes about the skeletons killing players, and blight town with its poison, than any mention of bosses that aren't O&S. Hell, the very first 2 bosses (asylum demon, taurus demon) let you do plunge attacks on them to take off 25% of their life I think, you weren't meant to tryhard against them.

>>712963754
Guardian is useless until you get the skill relic that makes the duration of the whirlwind last longer. Combining that with the one that gives you stamina regen per hit pretty much gives you infinite stamina as long as you can keep spamming it.

What I want to know is if the relics that are supposed to draw aggro when you have guard up actually work or not. I tried using pic related on my Guardian and it didn't seem to work at all.

Also, why the FUCK are good shields so hard to find? Actually, maybe it's just because I almost never used shields for anything but passives so I don't know shit about which ones are good and which ones aren't.

did they fix pc performance yet?

>>712964473
Aggro kind of works but it's nowhere near reliable enough to keep enemies actually pinned to you. Imo it's probably better to just focus on damage so you can burst when you aren't being focused.
>Also, why the FUCK are good shields so hard to find?
Any standard tower shield is going to be better than your starting one, and they're pretty common spawns in common treasure pools. It's annoying but as long as you get a high tier weapon drop you should be able to just fully upgrade whatever shield you end up with.

>>712964473
>tfw birb
>Threw like 200,000+ murk in the trash trying to get one of those
>Nothing
At least now I know the perfect gem hypothetically exists

>>712964473
That's a damn nice relic. I've been trying to get a "draw enemy attention" one for with useful stuff on it for a while but no luck. Here's my set though, first one is Brooch obviously.

Using "draw enemy attention" feels like the difference between about 60% and 75% aggro to me. Your allies still get attacked, but a bit less often and for less time. "Less likely to be targeted" definitely fucking works.

>>712963754
doing damage isn't the point of guardian, it's to build staggers with guard counter. you need to pair the shield with a good thrusting weapon with a ranged ash like glintblade phalanx, siluria's or ring of light or the wraith bell so you can pull aggro easier.

>>712964473
the best shield is his starting one because it's guaranteed no skill so you don't have to fuck around to access your weapon's ash. just do one mine hop or buy stones at a merchant camp.

>>712964869
>only 200k
I've spent over 1.2 MILLION murk and still nothing.

>>712964930
It's honestly probably over a million for me too, I just don't want to sound hyperbolic.
I only play birb so unless it's an exceptional relic for another character I throw literally every single non burb relic in the wood chipper.

>>712964914
Aggro doesn't really have anything to do with damage. It's basically all distance. Anyone directly in front of the boss is going to get targeted most of the time, and when the boss does swap he's going to aim for the next-closest target a majority of the time. "Close" in this context means near to his attack zones, sometimes the bosses ass is pretty far.

Is there a such thing as "attacking gives stam" higher than the +1 on the doggo relic? I've only ever seen a baseline version.

>>712965090
I'm assuming the "Murk Accquired" statistic includes Murk from selling relics. My total stat is 1,240,102. You can subtract a bit for skins and other shop items, but it's still over 1.1 on gambling for certain.

I have played Guardian 149 out of 220 total expeditions, with a total expedition time of 142:59:09 hours.

>>712965114
bullshit

any new souls bosses confirmed for phase 3?
for a game that so heavily recycles assets, its kinda sad nightreign only has about 6 souls bosses, mostly obscure ones

>>712965197
I've yet to see anything higher. Also, why's his relic suck so bad compared to every other boss's? Should've had 3 effects, or at least make that stamina thing +3!

>>712965396
they're more fan service and variety than anything. nameless, smelter demon, freyja and dancer are solid picks. the ds1 picks are odd.

>>712965114
As recluse I frequently notice the boss turn around to target me after I unload a high damage cocktail on them, so I doubt the accuracy of your claim.

>>712965114
>Anyone directly in front of the boss is going to get targeted most of the time
nah, when i start casting the boss starts chasing me down even if there is a raider or a retarded executor right in front of him

>>712965516
>the ds1 picks are odd.
None of the bosses work in Elden Ring. The player has too much movement and shit to counteract them. The only one that could work are Ornstein & Smough but they both start in their powered up state.

>>712934046
>"NOOOOOO you can't enjoy a different style of gameplay that you feel was designed away in further iterations of a game series"
Asperger's moment

>>712965247
I'm currently a filthy mobilenigger so can't check, I honestly have no idea how my stats compare except that I know I have literally never gone on an expedition as anyone but birb and killed every Lord at least three or four times. (I have a crippling addiction to greatshield blockspam in From games.)

is this game decent solo yet?

Wonder what the dlc classes will be like.

>>712965905
Artorias would fit right in here, as would Manus. With a bit of tweaking I think Pinwheel could actually be a neat boss here, too.

>>712965905
I'm pretty sure their animations are sped up.

>>712966098
Solo is easy mode

>>712966216
>Pinwheel
>Same pitiful healthbar
>But in a fucking massive arena that all the Nightlords share
>If you don't kill him in the first 10 seconds it quickly becomes a bullet hell game with hundreds of Pinwheels pew pewing at you from every angle and making more Pinwheels

>>712965905
Nah, have it be a 2-phase fight like always. Whoever is defeated second instead jumps up like Nameless King and lands in their powered-up state for round 2.

>>712877302
Simple
>Play DeS and DS1
>get abused by both games until you learn to play it methodically
>Play DS2
>"wow, I think I'm getting a hang of it!"
>Play BB, DS3, Sekiro and ER
>haha fuck you, now you gotta unlearn all the lessons we beat into you before and let us give you new lessons to suffer over
>still dies
From Software has perfected Stockholm Syndrome as a video game series

>>712965528
>>712965674
it's not never, just most of the time. If this weren't the case the Guardian who is guaranteed doing the least damage unless you are total ass wouldn't be holding aggro like 60%

>>712908207
i platinumed a week ago and for me is finishing the remembances and helping people with ironeye on the first 4 bosses , the easiest ones im 117hs in and im going to keep playing till 200hs or so then move again to ff 14

>>712967253
>"wow, I think I'm getting a hang of it!"

changing dual wielding from a 2x damage to 1.5x multipler is the single biggest insult

Ideas for boss weapons made from the night lords?
>Gladius would be his sword with the chain swing as the weapon art
>Adel would be a twin greathammer made from his jaw with that cool spin move
>Gnoster can be the choice of a bow that leaves behind the parasite cloud or fists that have those spike earthquakes
>Maris ???
>Libra could be a catalyst & seal that adds madness to spells and incantations
>Fulghor would give his spear with the phase 3 bow move
>Caligo could be a super moonveil
>Heolstor could be his moonlight sword or the normal sword with dagger

>>712967510
Maris could give a magic version of Waves of Gold (the splash attack it does) on a weapon with Magic+Sleep.

over-animation

>>712967869
Would it be a sword too or something else?

WACKY MIYAZAKI RECORD SCRATCH FREEZE FRAME PAUSE DREAMWORKS SMIRK ROTATE IN THE AIR JUST FLOAT MID-AIR FOR TEN MINUTES RAINBOW BRIGHT MONOCHROME YOU DIED

HAHAHA VERY FUNNY MIYAZAKI I CAN'T CLIME A 8 INCH GAP IN YOUR DUNGEON BECAUSE YOU TOOK AWAY MY HORSE SO CLEVER GENIUS LOL BETTER WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

>>712968147
Yikes, let's unpack this.
>JUST FLOAT MID-AIR FOR TEN MINUTES RAINBOW BRIGHT MONOCHROME YOU DIED
They give you obvious tells to either run far away or just time your dodge.
>CAN'T CLIME A 8 INCH GAP IN YOUR DUNGEON BECAUSE YOU TOOK AWAY MY HORSE
You can jump off walls now and torrent was never usable in dungeons.

>>712967995
I'm thinking a mace would be most appropriate. Mostly because it's a shit weapon type.

>>712968409
Having a lifeless him dangling off it would be pretty funny.

>>712968409
>>712968437
second option would be a whip made from one of the tentacles

>>712968352
DUDE THE BOSS IS HOLOGRAPHIC PHASING OUT OF EXISTENCE BECAUSE THE CAMERA TURNS *EVERYTHING* CLOSE TO IT INTO SEMI TRANSPARENT SO I CAN "SEE" THE ENVIRONMENT ART WHERE NO COMBAT IS.MOTION BLUR TACKLE BULLSHIT AOE MONCHROME YOU DIED RUN BACK PICK UP YOUR SLOP THAT'LL BE 10 MINUTES JUST TO GET 2 SHOT AGAIN

>>712968469
What about a return of the bloodborne broccoli form?

>>712968635
Wait, we talking normal elden ring or nightreign?

>>712968635

>>712968704
DOES IT MATTER OH MY GOD

>>712968895
What the fuck dude, you hit her too hard!