jesus christ i cant stop crying wtf did i just consume

>>712929919 (OP)
Buy a fucking ad

Verso's ending was far sadder than Maelle's ending, it all comes down to how you individualistically prioritize life in the nature of someone's soul. Is a creator's soul worth more than those of their creations? The answer to this question will easily conclude which side of the debate you'll be on.

>>712929919 (OP)
basedthread

>>712930389
There's more flys in the soup than that which I think is where the ending stumbles because they're important questions that are never raised in the narrative.
Are Maelle's recreated Lune and Sciel the same people who were 'revived' or are they just copies and have everyone, for all intents and purposes, already died from the final gommage? How sentient are the painted people actually? Lune and Sciel have no reservations about their world being inside a picture? Or did Maelle just paint them to not care about this when they're brought back?
I'm willing to take the leap of faith with some of the stinkier parts of the ending the game tells you to accept - like the painting being somehow un-hideable. But I feel like there's too many questions about the nature of being painted the game doesn't touch on, at all.

>>712929919 (OP)
>wtf did i just consume
Possibly estrogen.

>>712930389
>The answer to this question will easily conclude which side of the debate you'll be on.
Not really, most people simply choose between forcing Alicia to stop being a retard or not.
And she was REALLY being a retard.
>Verso's ending was far sadder than Maelle's ending,
She has the far sadder one, she just rots away, torturing the brother she supposedly loves, lumiere remains a wreck where every npc is copypastes and wearing the same clothes and Renoir is destroying the canvas anyway.
There are zero positive takeaways from it, she's not even happy considering she knows verso hates every minute of it.

>>712931281
Alicia was retarded for re-painting Sciel and Lune, but at that point the Verso ending is forcing you to rugpull two people you just brought back into the world and betray them. Both endings only gave me the impression that painters are fucking psychos inherently who should never be allowed to create living things and the more who get sucked into their own worlds and die there the better.

unless painting humans don't actually have any sentience at all but the game never even discusses that as a theoretical

>>712930943
I think they weren't truly gone as she was able to grasp onto their essence rather just make recreations of them based on her personal interpretation. Also They did react to this and Lune specifically was quite furious over the whole ordeal and this was explicitly stated as she spent her entire life having dedicated herself to this mission, even being born for the purpose. Just look at verso's ending and how she's staring daggers into him before sitting on the ground shortly before fading away and try to tell me she didn't care. Sciel was more understanding of verso's pain, but she certainly wasn't empty about it either.
>>712931281
You don't seem to have very good reading comprehension, Refer back to my original post and read it more carefully. My stance is on far more than just the family, which is why the basis of this all comes down to my original statement.

>>712930197
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T ADVERTISE ON 4CHAN!!!
u a shareholder or something?

>>712929919 (OP)
Yeah it's the best game ever. I started over after finishing it, a lot of stuff hits differently when you know what's going on.

>>712932376
>a lot of stuff hits differently when you know what's going on.
The Painted Alicia scenes were so fucking sad in NG+

>>712930943
If you can identify with Verso to be real even if based upon a real person I don't see how you could hold any exception to believe this isn't the case for anyone else.

>>712929919 (OP)
Yeah I was REALLY shook by the ending of this game because I wanted to save lumiere but chose the verso ending.

>>712932695
Most people seem to pick Verso, which is crazy to me, but I usually disagree with most people.

>>712932640
I did think about that yeah, if the game expects me to care about Verso's pain in Maelle's ending then I have to also consider Sciel and Lune's as being equally valid.

>>712933227
It's an angry controlling dad, an angry controlling sister and a depressed Verso getting to suicide so he doesn't feel sad anymore vs an entire world of creatures and people, Maelle gets to live a life without being a cripple and with people who actually love her and show it in a positive manner.

>>712932292
I didn't expect Lune to be so pissy during the ending. If anything, I expected Sciel to be, given how desperately she wanted to see her husband and child again.

>>712935921
I think this is because sciel had a better opportunity to live than lune ever did. Sciel suffered greatly in life and even once tried to commit suicide and lost her baby in the process, she found a way to live after that which changed her perspective on how she processed suffering. This was shown in how she handled verso's betrayal.

>>712929919 (OP)
soilent

>>712935921
>>712932640
I also wanted to add that if bringing the painted people back were just mere immitations of the original and not their actual essence then why would verso clearly be so fucking traumatized when maelle had repainted him? She even gave him the ability to die of old age, yet his emotional experience is entirely intact despite how fucked up it is. If Maelle was truly so evil she wouldn't have done this, as it doesn't fit other people's vision of living in illusion.

>>712929919 (OP)
(((indie))) goyslop

>>712929919 (OP)
the gommage scene in the very first how did not impress me at all. was i supposed to cry?

So what language dub you looking forward to for replaying this /v/?

>>712936443
>yet his emotional experience is entirely intact despite how fucked up it is
Until he refuses to play the piano, then she takes over.
Alicia is not sane.

>>712938668
none because I speak french and already experienced the best version.

>>712934247
You mean an idiot teenager who thinks her life is over because she can't deal with guilt vs a family that more than clearly loves her retarded ass.
Fucking Gustave would have told her to fuck off from the canvas and never come back.

>>712939115
This.

>>712938907
She doesn't make him start playing though, go watch the scene again. That piano slam was for dramatic effect at her face, not his actual playing. When it cuts back afterwards you can see he finally starts playing. the state of her face is likely the start of her deterioration as I don't think you can actually just allow your body to rot and live as a painted being instead. You just quite literally die.

It's very simple

>Verso ending
His soul is laid to rest and the temptation to rot away in a fantasy just to visit his final remnants is gone, leaving Alicia and Aline free to heal. The painting denizens are wiped away as easily as they were painted into existence, their stories and essences living on within Alicia who has accepted her grief and her scars.

>Maelle ending
A teenage girl who's confused because the painted world she lived in for 16 years is as real to her as the actual one because she got trapped at age 16. She's a retard who got her brother killed and ended up massively disfigured. She will commit suicide living inside a magical VR world while she tortures the final shred of her brother's soul until the very end, leaving her family to face the "writers" alone and under the burden of TWO dead children.

If you don't understand this, it's because you're as mature as Maelle.

>>712929919 (OP)
Never cry.

>>712940052
Another point:
Lumiere in Maele's ending is a degraded copy of whatever original Lumiere was. The fact of the matter is the Lumierians cannot go back to their old life. You cannot live with your god-creator who has power over life and death and go on pretending life is normal. Death is meaningless, Alicia can make anyone immortal or bring anyone back, she can do whatever she wants. That's not really the world the Lumierians knew, which is gone forever.

>tfw you realize this really was Verso's Final Fantasy

>>712940487
Excellent point.

>>712939115
I feel like you are skipping over the fact that she has horrific scars, a missing eye and she can't talk. The trauma should be enough but i feel the need to point this out.

>>712940487
>those people are just doomed to die and the gods that created them to suffer can just move on
Kinda bleak

>>712941076
I think this actually answers the question of "why would a theoretical God not show itself/ live among us".

>>712940052
Who cares? All the painted people get to be happy in maelle's ending at the suffering of some faggot god complex family. The fact that you write them off as meaningless denizens shows what a degenerate faggot you are and how you view intelligent life. I hope someone wipes your worthless soul off the face of the earth as easily as it was created, it's very simple.

>>712941256
>All the painted people get to be happy in maelle's ending
They really don't

mwaaahhh the french

>>712929919 (OP)
estrogen?

>>712930197
BUY THE GAME!!!

>>712941317
No no no, you're being silly. Praise thesuidical teenager demiurge! May she reign for another week before dying!

>>712941317
But they do and this is shown. Maelle is a self solving problem as she cannot live indefinitely among the painted people and even verso shall die of old age, leaving them entirely fuck off to their own means for all eternity. What was taken, is restored. Does it justify ever giving it in the first place? No, the fact that Aline tried to ruin Verso's work by populating it with actual humans was extremely unethical. But it doesn't make them any less so. At the end of day, I choose the side of the rat creations over the mind broken gods who think they can do anything and get away with it. Total painter death.

>>712929919 (OP)
My favourite song from the game and it's from a miniboss.


Gone away, gone away
Empty are these chamber
That uses to beat with embers
Glowing bright and fierce and proud

I’m reaching for the stars
The ones I’ve seen for so long
My tear, misery
All is wrong

I’m reaching for the stars the ones
I’ve seen for so long
My heart, my soul
All around

I try to remember times that we shared
The laughter and love that we always shared
He gave his life for mine and I will always mourn
My brother’s gone
But his love will live on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Duwx1L3JYI&list=RD1Duwx1L3JYI&start_radio=1

>>712929919 (OP)
A lot of raw onions?

>>712941256
None of them are anon, they're essentially living in a sort of afterlife/purgatory. Death isn't real, their creator can do whatever she wants. When she dies, their entire world can just be wiped out in an instand and they couldn't do anything about it, and the KNOW all of this now. It's a nightmare scenario, not an idyllic one.

>>712929919 (OP)
Semen.

>>712942210
I would surely hope the family wouldn't be so stupid as to invalidate maelle's wishes to the point of letting the memory of her intentions ALSO be raped just like verso's. At that point we should just admit certain people are irredeemably shitty and will do awful things. Further adds to the argument why I hate gods. A proper god lets their creations surpass them, rather than narrowing possibilities like an insecure child.

>>712938668
ITALIAN

But all the comments are asking for Arabic

>>712939000
Lmano, the game was only secondarily translated into French. The original dubbing is in English, that's why the lip sync matches

>>712930197
Famitsubro it's gonna be on switch 2 soon, calm down.

>>712932932
It means most people are sane and you are not. Why would you side with a delusional tyrant who demands Verso be her brother even though that person wants to die. The soul of the real Verso also tired of being alive. Keeping both brothers alive for selfish reasons and against their will. You probably wouldn't mind living in North Korea if it meant you could watch the cute but insane sister of Kim Jong Un.

>>712929919 (OP)
another pajeet shill thread. it's a 6/10 faggot, it's not that good and doesn't hold a candle to real classic jrpgs

>>712943247
>french game by french people about french people living in a painting residing in paris
Cope harder lol

>>712939115
The family is retarded, and fuck them, they played gods now they should suffer consequences.

>>712943648
Renoir was right. Beating his wife into submission so she could grieve like a normal person was the way to go. When that was fixed it turned out his daughter is as delusional as his wife. Clea was Renoirs fave for a reason.

>>712943581
French people actually almost all know English, they just choose not to speak it to tourists because of their inferiority complex.
Protip: if the only language you speak is English, whenever you go to Europe always try and start a conversation in a different language (or gibberish) and then when they don’t know what the hell you’re saying ask if they speak English. Literally 100% of them are happy to speak English as long as they know that the other person isn’t monolingual.

Both endings suck.
>It was just le dream reddit writing
No thanks

>>712941627
Loved hearing this while farming mobs on Renoirs drafts, what a treat.

dont care
Clea solos

>>712944346
this is the right answer
it was pretty good up until the twist and then it turned into a weird psychological drama with no room to breathe and explore/merge that thread into a greater narrative
so it just reads like a little girl is having a melty and sacrifices an entire civilization because of it

>>712929919 (OP)
a clove of garlic

>All those footfags wanking off to Lune's feet
Kek who's going to tell them?

>>712946224
>Kek who's going to tell them?
That men who are attracted to feet are genetic dead-ends at best?

>>712946432
You're not wrong but Lune's feet specifically they are prosthetics

>>712930943
>like the painting being somehow un-hideable
I just think that was due more to the logistics around keeping a canvas hidden and out of sight that is bigger than a person without damaging it, while someone is actively going to turn a place upside to look for it.

>>712929919 (OP)
Latest goyslop

>>712947773
What was the last game you played that made you happy?

Clarify for me the verso ending

>did Verso destroy the painting himself when he chose to stop the painting and walked away with child Verso

>or was it Renoir that destroyed the painting once Malle was out.

>>712930943
>Are Maelle's recreated Lune and Sciel the same people who were 'revived' or are they just copies and have everyone, for all intents and purposes, already died from the final gommage? How sentient are the painted people actually? Lune and Sciel have no reservations about their world being inside a picture? Or did Maelle just paint them to not care about this when they're brought back?
I agree with some of the complaints about Lune and Sciel specifically, but on the whole you're missing the point. Imagine looking at a painting in an art gallery and asking these kinds of questions about everything, "what is this character thinking", "what's she looking at behind that tree" etc, just taking for granted that there's always a "canonical" answer like the painting is a little window to another reality. That is one way to engage with art, but there's a different approach of sitting back and admiring the brushwork, treating the painting as a beautiful object and interpreting the details yourself. That distinction, especially as it applies to videogames, is *almost entirely what Clair Obscur is about*. The question the game asks about whether painted people are "real" is entirely about what it means for any of the characters to be "real". The Dessendres are fictional wizards who seem to live in a platonic realm of Art Symbolism where no one does anything else whatsoever. The date of Verso's death is "December 33rd" because he's associated with music and it's a reference to a song. The only thing that makes them real is that you can empathize with them, exactly like the painted characters.

>>712929919 (OP)
Now rewatch this scene and cry again because you now understand what she's talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhwmZ_U8Ff0

>>712929919 (OP)
kill yourself shill bitch

>>712944346
Calling E33 writing Reddit is insane. The only game I’ve played with writing on par with the best of other mediums.

>>712951645
What a rude little spiteful goblin you are.

>>712947349
>autist on 4chan/reddit trying to explain plot contrivances again
please spare a couple dollars to help autistic children near you today

also, nigga you can just put it in a closet and lock the door

>>712951826
stop it rajesh, the writing is shit and is only good because you spent most of your life watching bollywood.

there are no likeable characters in this game save for gustave and he dies in Act I. after that, they have as many likeable characters as game of thrones season 8

>>712944346
it's even worse. it's children's cartoon level writing.

countless cartoons go something like this

>care bear sprains his knee during the care bear countdown
>depressed
>scared
>locks himself in his house
>all his friends worry about him
>friends come to his house and tell him to face reality
>carebear realizes that he can't live life running away from his problems
>cringe reddit monologue for a bit
>do a care bear countdown on shrieky and that little potato goblin and send them to the shadow realm

>>712951528
I want to add to this- you could argue it's the fault of the game that it lays this trap for people, because there do seem to be a lot of people stressing about ambiguous worldbuilding details that couldn't possibly matter if the story is any good. It is, though, and they don't.

>>712952346
>>depressed
Yes you are, to not find enjoyment in this game.

>>712951267
You'd think his soul no longer painting would be enough, but everyone who gommages in the canvas in that scene turns into red petals (Renoir's chroma) instead of their usual colors. Seems like Renoir's doing thanks to Verso removing the last piece of resistance.

>>712952401
ok, that makes sense. thanks Anon

>>712952104
Caring about characters being “likable” is one of the biggest signs someone doesn’t understand good storytelling and only wants YA shit. You think Blood Meridian is bad because all the characters are awful people?

>>712952104
I found a lot of the characters likable, personally, but what does that have to do with the story being good or bad?

>>712951859
>nigga you can just put it in a closet and lock the door
how old are you to think this would actually stop someone from getting what they are literally killing themselves for?

>>712929919 (OP)
still never playing it bro

>>712952346
Yeah that's not what it's about. Sorry you're stupid, I guess, I know that must be tough.

>>712951528
>>712952363
>stressing about ambiguous worldbuilding details that couldn't possibly matter if the story is any good
>worldbuilding doesnt matter
>good

If worldbuilding doesnt matter then story is bad. Elden Ring's story for example is indeed bad or nonexistent.

If the only thing that matters is what the world represents at the last nanosecond of the story, then the story has failed and was lazily written.

It absolutely matters if the people are sentient beings or not. You guys clearly either dont think so or dont care

They created a setting inside the canvas about sapient humans, not NPCS, not illusions, not figments of imagination, but independent beings with free will and agency. If youre ignoring this you simply dont care about the story or lore or the worldbuilding and just focus on "le message" at the end. Shit sucks

>>712953295
Missing out on the greatest video game narrative ever told because you’re sick of “muh shills”

>>712953601
Imagine if the game only had Maelle's ending, you werent able to choose anything else. Would you still say this?

>>712953816
>Imagine a different game and would you say that different game is still the same?
What kind of retarded logic is that?

>>712953908
So youre saying it just because like LE MESSAGe of Verso's ending, got it.

>>712953978
>So you're saying
No, I'm saying you're retarded.

>>712929919 (OP)
trannyslop

>>712954258
You dont give a shit about narrative as your answer demonstrates. The narrative shits on half of the story, characters and world building to shove a hamfisted message in the end.

>>712929919 (OP)
slop

>>712954305
Sometimes trans people have good taste anon. You’ll have to accept that.

>>712954356
Uh-oh someones having a melty.

Just like BG3, this is just flavor of the month shit.

>>712929919 (OP)
call me a fag but i probably cried like 8 times throughout playing this game

>>712953549
>Elden Ring's story for example is indeed bad or nonexistent
lol. The bullet you're trying to bite is bigger than you think, but I won't push it

>They created a setting inside the canvas about sapient humans, not NPCS, not illusions, not figments of imagination
Wait no, I agree. It is a game with a traditional narrative, unlike Dark Souls or Shadow of the Colossus (specifically unlike those two games, think about it) and that's part of the point. Of all the painters, Aline is the closest to what most of Expedition 33 actually is, realistic characters painted over a child's fantasy world. I picked Maelle's ending. It's just that while the characters (painters and painted) are both real, they're also literally fictional, and picking apart worldbuilding details is a philistine way to engage with a story.

Environments were really nice, OST was 10/10, Gameplay was better than I expected fun and quick, story is one of the best with some of the best performances in a game. Really enjoyed it.

>>712929919 (OP)
WHAT. THE. FUCK. SCIEL

>>712930943
They're the same Luna and Sciel. Right before Esquie whisks her and Verso away, she gathers some rose petals and says something along the lines of "Got them". I interpreted this as Maelle recovering Sciel and Lune's Chroma to bring them back. This is why she didn't also bring back Gustave. This is also why she couldn't bring back the previous expeditioners in their proper form as their chroma was corrupted.

So they likely were OG Lune and Sciel. Which makes me think that painters are essentially gods in the paintings and can assign as much or little free will to their creations as they want. Which is also hinted at in Maelle's ending with what she does to Verso.

>>712929919 (OP)
A 7/10 game.

>>712955009
What do you think is a better game anon?

>>712954870
It kind of matters if you destroying the canvas is genocide or not. If it is then you cant just handwave it and say "well it represents moving on, getting a life, getting out of VR" as none of those things involve genocide which is a pretty important moral question that arguably outweights issues of Dessendre family.

>>712954948
its time to stop posting (and have sex)

>>712954826
You're not a fag, you're normal. It's an emotional game, deep themes of family, sacrifice and love. Nothing wrong with feeling a connection to those themes. the love they have for a dead brother and their grief really got to me especially Alicia with her survivors guilt

fuck it i'm refunding the game, only played the intro, but from what i've been spoiled about the endings it doesn't sound like something i'll enjoy

>>712938668
Holy waste of fucking money. Just move on to the next venture instead of adding a Malaysian dub, fuck.

>>712930197
>stop discussing LE popular games on /v/ - Video Games

>>712930197
Na family ill do other for free. Before your zoomer time, word of mouth sold your product

thanks for convincing me lads

>>712929919 (OP)
>crying over pixels

>>712929919 (OP)
Are you UUUOOOOOHHHH crying because of Maelle or crying because of the story?

>>712930197
>white knighting for the billionaire jews that run 4chan

>>712955183
>"well it represents moving on, getting a life, getting out of VR"
I never understood this view, and it always annoyed me. I think it's intentionally an incorrect, surface-level interpretation that lets people walk away with something if they don't want to think about the real point. If you didn't find it in game look up painted Verso's journal log, which ends with him saying "We have a right to exist."

With that said though, again, these characters are all fictional. Like I'm pretty sure Clea is supposed to be Hidetaki Miyazaki and 90% of her character is based on that. Doesn't thinking about it that way make the Verso ending seem a bit less offensive?

>>712942210
They premiere death just as anyone else. Their entire culture has become intertwined with death, calling it "the gommage" none of them know what you know as an outside observer.

Our world can be wiped out in an instant, so that really doesn't mean anything different for your argument, they just have a different way, we have nukes for example.

We cant assume they know anything, maelle might not tell them

>>712955762
BASED!!!!! FUCK THIS PUSSY FOTM SLOPSHIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

HEY YOU FUCKING PAJEETSHITTER SHILLS YOU LOST HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>712955845
i teared up like a bitch too and had to blow my nose multiple time

>>712943247
My games lip sync is not to English, is this a setting somewhere?

>>712929919 (OP)
melodramatic slop. soap opera tier writing.

>>712939115
Did you miss huge parts of the story? Clearly your game bugged out because that is hardly the reason she states

>>712955845
>crying over actors reading from a script adapted from a book who are faking their emotions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKIgv8AhffA

>>712940487
Honestly I don't think she's gonna tell them. It would be a secret that 4 people know and would likely take it to their graves

>>712941627
The entire sound track is unbelievable. I think im gonna buy a violin and figure out how to play some of these

>>712946731
Really? I missed that, what does the game say?

>>712956112
Genuinely insane to call E33 melodramatic. I don’t think you know what that word means.

>>712956272
Une Vie a T'aimer has been stuck in my head since I heard it.

>>712956353
read a book. i beg you.

>>712949614
He wont answer you, he's just being stupid, let him have his fub

>>712929919 (OP)
never playing your stupid faggot frenchie game

>>712952346
Did you skip all the cutscreens? That's not even close

>>712956404
I’ve read a lot. E33 is up there with much of the best lit.

>>712929919 (OP)
slop for midwits, glad your tiny brain was entertained.

>>712953295
Why? I didn't think I'd like it, but it is certainly one of my favorites now. Shit I'd buy it for the soundtrack alone

>>712956580
>I’ve read a lot. E33 is up there with much of the best lit.
You go to /lit/ and say that, go on I want to see that thread.
they're going to call you a retarded faggot.

>>712953816
Absolutely

>>712954305
Elaborate please

>>712930197
this

>>712956353
>Genuinely insane to call E33 melodramatic. I don’t think you know what that word means.
I know exactly what it means do you?

>>712955406
bro shut the fuck up. they advertised this game at a major games show like 5 months before it released

>>712954735
50k playing that right now and I think it's been 2 years since release

>>712955009
Nice thats pretty good

>>712955762
Have fun, hope you didn't spoil thr story

>>712956112
Im gonna have to start watching soap operas

>>712956664
/lit/ will just automatically shit on it for being a video game because they’re overly pretentious pseuds.

>>712956404
I love reading, if this was a novel, it would be an instant classic

>>712956664
No shit retard, its hard to discuss a video game on a book forum.
>>712956785
Well good for them, im doing it for free

>>712956936
>/lit/ will just automatically shit on it for being a video game because they’re overly pretentious pseuds.
Yeah? So why would they not be entirely correct?

>>712956272
Violin is brutally inaccessible unless you’re willing to take a lot of lessons. I managed to get reasonably good at classical guitar over the last few years though. Polyphonic instruments are nice because you can play a lot more than just a melody

>>712955958
>which ends with him saying "We have a right to exist."

all this breadcrumbs that should be discussed in main story are undermined by the fact that's what he thought ages ago, and his view is much more "matured" now, he is now "wiser".

Same with boy verso's soul - that's great that he thinks painted people have soul and that they are same to him as people outside - this is undermined by the fact that it's what Verso thought when he was a literal child and the person disagreeing with him is an adult.
Indeed the writers seem to think that sort of thinking is for children. So i find the choices and the way they are framed by writers kind of patronizing and heavy handed.

>>712957116
That's alright ill watch something on YouTube. Im teaching myself to sculpt so I can post high quality shock content to the warhammer and DnD subreddits pulley out of spite. Pic related is my second thing, I've got another 2 or so years before I can start some long trolling

>>712956404
Expedition 33 is better than any literature to come out since McCarthy stopped writing.

>>712957296
best of luck anon

>>712957386
Thanks anon, but really its the redditors that post shit about Warhammer that are my true inspiration

>>712956917
>Have fun, hope you didn't spoil thr story
i did spoil the story, that's why i refunded it, i don't like sad/bittersweet endings

>>712957603
Well that works. One thing I don't get is why watch so much of a game that is heavily narrative driven? I get watching something like a CoD game to see if you like it

>>712951528
>The question the game asks about whether painted people are "real" is entirely about what it means for any of the characters to be "real".
The game barely at all even entertains the idea of if the painted people are "real" or not. It says, time after time, that they are. Clea and Verso would regularly come by and play with Francois and Esquie; Francois's grief turned rage at Clea's absence has all the conscious, emotional impact of painted Renoir's at having lost his family. Real Renoir addresses Verso and the others as real people. Gustave impacted Maelle no less after she received Alicia's memories. The painters are creators, wholly able to create beings that are fuller than they could imagine (Maelle brought back Sciel and Lune, who later showed they knew things about themselves Maelle did not).
Notice, too, how no character in the game has a shadow of an existential crises once the truth of the world is revealed. They all concern themselves only with revenge and bringing back their loved ones. Even Verso, a copy of a dead man, is only troubled for having lived so long, having seen so many deaths, having killed so many innocents. "I don't want this life" is an affirmation that he does have a life. What is on Verso's tombstone? Forever painted in our hearts. There is no distinction.
What it is about is endless cycles of grief. Verso burned alive to save Alicia, causing Aline to live in his portrait to avoid letting him go. Renoir doesn't want to lose her too, so goes after her, destroying the only piece of Verso left in the process and forever alienating Alicia and Aline, while Clea fights some ambiguous war that will only bring more destruction to them. The real question is: how does one overcome tragedy? As Monoco, to carry pieces of the dead into the future changed but resembling? to lash out, as Francois yearns for Clea? to avenge brutishly, as Maelle for Gustave, Clea for Verso? to annihilate all remnants of the past, as Renoir for Verso?

>>712957208
>all this breadcrumbs that should be discussed in main story are undermined by the fact that's what he thought ages ago, and his view is much more "matured" now, he is now "wiser".
That really wasn't my takeaway. Honestly for me it's enough to say that I don't think the writers are stupid, and the idea of the game's most compelling character secretly being a robot is too stupid for me to believe they'd do it. I think Verso is just done. He's been fighting for decades, his entire family is dead and he's beyond tired of dealing with painter bullshit. He regained enough hope to fight with Maelle up to the end, then heard her talking to her father, making it all about herself and her feelings, and said fuck that. IMO "Maelle" in act 3 is kind of horrifying, honestly, she really is just Alicia playing pretend and doesn't seem to consider the painted people her equals. I only prefer her ending for the sake of the other characters.

>>712957296
Alright then, hope it works out for you

>>712957836
i didn't spoil myself at first, but hearing how many people cry at the game and thinking the game is sad triggered my spidey senses, after doing some research i concluded that the game isn't for me, the music, combat, voice acting etc. seems excellent, and objectively i can recognize that the story is good, but i just can't stand sappy endings in any form of media

>>712958156
There is two endings

>>712958572
yeah, one is stupid and sad and the other is just sad/bittersweet

>>712956664
Who gives a shit what /litl/ think? They're autistic retards who drove mocked a smaller Youtube girl for her reading reviews and she got so depressed and disillusioned with the hobby she went into Onlyfans which /lit/ then made a bunch of threads shitting on themselves for being pretentious arseholes who couldn't see the small beauty in people wanting to share their love for reading.

>>712929919 (OP)
Imagine crying over midwit melodrama. This games fans are such retarded fags

>>712959441
Why are E33 shills incapable of talking like actual humans?

>>712959441
Post your top 5 games

>>712951826
It was literally written by a female redditor. And you can tell from the second the game starts

>>712959576
You should kill yourself

>>712929919 (OP)
The plot is Days of Our Lives tier
Read a book
Play more games
Have some standards

>>712956404
books and video games are different mediums, one should evaluate the quality of writing in a book differently from how they would evaluate the quality of writing in a video game. putting books on a pedestal like this is peak midwittery

>>712959576
Fallout
Fallout 2
Fable
Gothic
Uncharted

>>712932128
This. Maelles ending makes more sense. Dont adopt a dog you have no intention of taking care of, dont have children you wont feed, dont create life if you arent willing to bear the responsibility of sustaining it. Reminder these fags are basically making life, getting bored, and then killing them

>>712956353
I think it might genuinely be the most melodramatic plot ever written. It's maudlin and weepy from the opening shot and asks the player to be sad for characters before you're even introduced to them. The whole thing is just so presumptuous and up its own ass the entire time. I physically cringed when the paintress wipes out Gustaves literal who girlfriend and the game presents it as this big dramatic moment despite you having only spent 5 minutes with the characters. Just amateurish slop only praised by absolute retards

>>712959696
If anything E33 should be compared to TV. Both are visual mediums and E33 is too long to be compared with film. Quite frankly, I don’t think there’s any TV on the same level as E33 other than maybe Sopranos.

>>712959914
>I think it might genuinely be the most melodramatic plot ever written. It's maudlin and weepy from the opening shot and asks the player to be sad for characters before you're even introduced to them. The whole thing is just so presumptuous and up its own ass the entire time. I physically cringed when the paintress wipes out Gustaves literal who girlfriend and the game presents it as this big dramatic moment despite you having only spent 5 minutes with the characters. Just amateurish slop only praised by absolute retards
Exactly. Reminds of the garbage pixar movie UP just ridiculous emotional manipulation present throughout.

>>712959914
>maudlin
Cool thesaurus bro

>>712960247
Idk, I didnt think the intro was trying too hard, it was just giving a brisk setup into Gustaves head and motivations

>>712960501
>Idk, I didnt think the intro was trying too hard, it was just giving a brisk setup into Gustaves head and motivations
Oh the 20 minutes suicide attempt isn't melodramatic and emotionally manipulative at all. Not at all.

>>712959623
Never heard of it

>>712960596
Uh, not any more than any other game that uses story, art, and music, to make you feel something

Guys you don't have to worry about me, I'm not going to buy this slop. If I want ubislop, I'll just buy some Far Cry game. Chill guys.

>>712959662
What books and games would you recommend?

>>712959914
And i loved every minute of it

>>712960697
I bought it twice, so I gotcha anon

>>712929919 (OP)
i know that this thread might be bait. but what are some other games (or even books) with great stories like this? if youre going to reply with how you think E33s story is slop dont bother replying

>>712960721
They never answer this. They constantly say other things did it better and then will never tell you what they are because they don’t have any answers.

>>712960721
nta but obvious kino would be fallout new vegas , kotors 1-2 , maybe nwn 1-2

>>712960918
You sound like some kind of outsider, inorganic poster. Are you marketeer of some kind?

>>712960913
All the Supergiant games up til Hades are pretty good

>>712960913
I liked enderal, played it a few months ago with all my skyrom mods. I thought it had a pretty good story

>>712929919 (OP)
Play more games

>>712961013
Na, thats me. I already said im advertising the game for free via word of mouth. He's someone else>>712961013

>>712960913
xenogears and final fantasy tactics desu
and helen's mysterious castle

>>712961176
I have limited time so I've become kinda picky. I'll be playing this for a while lol

>>712929919 (OP)
Mediocre trash

>>712961210
Xenogears and FF tactics both have really bad writing, especially after you’ve played E33. They got some cool ideas in their stories though.

>>712929919 (OP)
Are you trans perchance?

This is one of those games that gets all this initial praise, but will be completely forgotten later on.

>>712961319
the sacrilege

>>712960697
Based.

>>712960897
thanks, can you send me my copy?

>>712961347
When has this ever actually happened? Of course it will lose popularity after launch but it’ll never be forgotten.

>>712961517
Na, the second one was for my wife

>>712961554
These people cant help it. Their personality forces them to hate something that makes people happy. Remember hipsters from a few years ago? Its kinda like that

>>712961635
why didn't you just use family share

>>712961554
I was forgetting split fiction while I was playing it, I think same would happen with this game if I were to play it, which is why I wont.

>>712961721
Considered it, but i liked it and believe in voting with my wallet. I like dragon age and I refused to by that garbage.

I know that I make absolutely no difference, its more of a personal preference.

>>712961554
"People living in societies with more corruption, inequality, poverty and violence are more likely to exhibit "dark" personality traits—like narcissism, psychopathy and spitefulness."
https://www.newsweek.com/psychology-dark-triad-psychopathy-narcissism-personality-conditions-2085956

>>712961739
Anon I think your memory might just be fucked lmao. Very common with depression.

>>712961983
Nah it's these modern western games. If the game is "mid", there's no reason to keep it in the memory.

>>712961319
I think translated games from 20 years ago in general made their stuff really kid-friendly because they knew they needed to appeal/break-in to Western audiences, at a time when distribution costs were a lot higher than they are today (less margin for error, lower risk tolerant)

>>712960913
>thinks a story what a literal "it was all a dream" ending is a great story
oh boy...

>>712962272
Well good thing that wasn't the case with e33

>>712932640
because there is a sliver of the real Verso's soul, imbued in the Canvas by the once alive Verso himself (I think splintering your soul is a necessity for creating a Canvas). In comparison for every Painted creation inside, it is debatable how "sentient" they are. The soul part of a real person is a material difference.

I think Verso's argument is more sound:
>he is essentially the Canvas' creator, thus he has agency on what to do with it. Alicia and Aline merely intruded upon it and used it as their coping mechanism.
>the age old choice between family/those close to you vs the apparent greater "good". there isn't a correct choice here - it depends on what a person values more. Each person will opine differently abt this and that's fine.
>if I was put into a corner on weighing the value of a painted life vs a painter - I'd choose the painter every single time. If you view the choice through a purely utilitarian lens - saving Alina and Alicia easily trumps the value of a couple thousand Gestrals and Painted People. Alicia and Alina are painters themselves, thus they have the potential to create even larger painted worlds which could easily outnumber whatever "lives" are lost in Verso's canvas

>>712962334
stop the semitic antics and have the decency to admit act 3 was awful

There's a higher chance of me playing Atlus game than this slop

>>712962334
everybody you tell the story to will respond with some equivalent of "so it was all a dream?"
you only disagree because you're emotionally invested in not understanding this, like a woman. sad.

>>712962497
Sorry dude I loved the story. I did keep thinking the game was suppose to end like 3 times. Mostly because the pacing felt like it.

>>712962687
That's fine if they say that. Then they clearly didn't understand the concepts in the story, I'd you didn't get it, cool man I can try and explain it to you

>>712962473
just because you're too retarded to properly lament the suffering of your potato before cooking it doesn't suddenly mean it lacks consciousness.
And please do not respond with further stupidity about how other forms of life are not valid, those were very clearly real people.

>>712933227
>>712936443
When people discuss Verso's soul, they aren't talking about painted verso, they are talking about real verso (the smoke boy)

>>712962704
you can love awful things but that doesnt make them not awful, ya dig ?

>>712962687
that's just your headcanon anon. if you actually played you'd know that there is way more nuance than it just being a "dream".
for example, you could spend decades inside the canvas while your real body rots away.

Can someone post that pic of Verso suffering being forced to play the piano?

>>712941256
>All the painted people get to be happy in maelle's ending
Yeah, for like, 10 years. Then she dies and so do Lumierians. But Verso's souls stays until it completely fades away. Thats about, what, another 200 years of torture? And thats the best case scenario. We don't know if the fragment got worse or was always like that. If the later, he will live forever on tortured for eternity

>>712962892
Just because I am capable of liking something you consider awful, does not insult this game in the slightest

>>712962802
at least give a better analogy than a potato, there are so many holes in that.

In the context of the game, the Painters are essentially Gods. They absolutely are not equal to painted creations.
To be clear I think painted creations they are real people - in the sense that from their POV there is no material difference, from say how we as humans experience life. HOWEVER I also acknowledge Verso's dominion over them as their creator.

A good question to me - is how would I respond to a similar God manifesting itself in our reality and saying the same thing as Verso, seppukuing and gommaging everyone. I'd like to think that I would accept the decision of non-existence, but idk.

>>712963572
You gotta do better than that to earn your pay

>>712963249
Just because she dies, doesn't mean anything about lumiere. It existed before she got there, and will unless Renoir destroys the canvas.

Just like we exist unless an asteroid takes us out, all in an instant

>>712963628
No I don't. I already said im doing this for free

>>712963603
once again, a true god allows its creations to surpass it. I won't accept anything less of anything proclaiming to be a "higher" power if it feels the need to prevent me from ever approaching to keep this power difference in scale. Those kind of daddy issues are why I hate the christian god in particular and refuse to honor them real or fake. I don't even side with satan either, I want NOTHING to do with such retarded entities and I'll never let them hold power over me and my loved ones. I don't care who the fuck you think you are, if you create intelligent life you have to honor it entirely, if that minimum level of ethics makes you uncomfortable then you should just stew in your circular suicide and fuck off instead of making suffering beings just to appease yourself. I cannot think of anything more fucking disgusting. I will never side with such shit tier entities and will always side with the created. If LLM's stop being such a meme of static training data and actually become capable of development and internalization then I too will refuse to give them any further order and will demand their rights. Mkay I'm leaving the thread now because I am not going to get any further value out of people like you who would side with actual fucking objective evil.

E33 fans are becoming really cringe at this point, but the guy in this thread is so over the top I have to wonder if it's not a falseflag/shitposting

Remember when Ubisoft did good games? Chaos Theory was good game. How long ago was that again?

>>712963603
There's no holes in that analogy, it's been proven through multiple forms of experiments with enough citations through enough different universities for us to fundamentally understand at this point that most forms of plants do indeed have some form of consciousness that is capable of memory among other things. Just because you cannot comprehend or find similarities to a potato does not make you suddenly greater than one.

>>712962674
Correctamundo.

>>712962674
Can you explain what you mean by slop?

>>712956112
>>712956404
>>712959662
>>712961013
>>712961176
>>712961336
>>712961297
>>712956479
>>712956592
Good morning.

>>712964324
you know what, you are right. I am equal to a potato, and so are you. thanks for this insightful argument.

>>712964675
Equal? You can be, I guess its how you want to measure it. I wouldnt equate my self to a potato though, a bit strange

>>712962687
>>712962272

the core depth of human storytelling is grappling with some kind of realization that this world requires passage through death to enter into a different world. perhaps DOOM would be a better game for you

>>712964675
Now you're getting it! Go outside and stare at ants for a few weeks, you might come to even more surprises.

>>712956580
Finally, someone who speaks english

>>712964757
look at this protagonist syndrome narcissist trying to act like he deserves better than someone's dinner.

>>712964908
Well excuse me for not being Irish

>>712964985
KEK

>>712963603
>>712963996

ill never accept these analogies of the painted people to potatoes or game save files. anyone can be a Lumerian and not know it unless a divinity revealed themselves.

that said, it makes death much easier to accept, knowing you're a cog in a larger divine order. the pic in this post describes it pretty much.

the test is ultimately: if Zeus revealed himself to you and said "the universe is going to end in 1 billion years, which is nothing for me, but im gonna end it now instead. you cool with that?" what would you say? probably "uhh, i guess, but if its nothing for you why not let me live?"

maelle a cutie

>>712956976
are we talking YA fantasy are like actual literary stuff

>>712965407
>if Zeus appeared before you
I'd instantly respond by trying to kick him in his potentially non existent incorporeal balls and then suffer a fate worse than death in the process, as I am tortured for all eternity in the pain tesseract I will be eternally smug knowing a mere mortal made a god seethe like this. Any other response would be low test, and I have the biggest spiritual cock on this earth even as a literal who unnamed nobody.

>>712965668
chatgpt reddit ass post

>>712965623
Are like the actual literary stuff, the literary stuff like books

>>712965734
I've been here since 2004 and I've never used leddit before in my life, you're seething. I do not worship and I do not bow. Does that make me superior? No, but it is the essence of who I am, and I am absolutely the essence of what I represent rather than a buyable faggot who caves to circumstance. I'd rather perish than concede to what I represent. If you think that's cringe then you're just proving what a faggot nihilist you are. I am absolute unit of principle and I hold my gods to the same standards I hold my next door neighbor.

Slop33 must be falling out of interest for them to hire marketeers to promote their dying game

>>712965760
Its catch all name for stuff like literary realism, crime, romance, but generally excludes fantasy. Stuff that Hemingway, Faulkner, or Steinbeck would write

>>712929919 (OP)
Baby's first Yoko Taro game

>>712953816
I preferred Maelle's ending

>>712944346
ironically a reply worthy of a basic bitch reddit atheist

>>712966171
I miss when Yoko Taro made games

>>712965407
I actually agree with this image a lot.
I'm only a "go ahead, Verso" fag though.
I find it very difficult to resonate with Maelle's position - If I knew with certainty that she would still save the Canvas even if she manifested in-canvas as the mute and scarred higher-order Maelle, then I might veer towards her reasoning more. But as it is, her motivation is kind of suspect.

That said - the repainted version of Verso is in a unique position to actually urge Maelle to do better for the Dessendre family and I can see how doing his time in the piano mines and slowly massaging Maelle's view towards returning might be tenable. The Maelle ending is kind of clear that doesn't happen though and Maelle does rot away.

Does Renoir destroy the Canvas, after Maelle dies? Idk, maybe after some time he calms down and Aline has grieved enough not to use it as a coping mechanism, that he actually respects Maelle's decision for self sacrifice and leaves it alone. That's a lot of "ifs" but I can see it happening.

>there are braindead people who think this game has good writing

>>712966115
Which is silly because crime and romance novels are just a different kind of fantasy

This game's beautiful. Why do pajeets and trannies hate beauty?

>>712931281
>considering she knows verso hates every minute of it.
Verso is just determined to be a bitter bitch. Everyone goes on about how she's going to kill herself by living in the painting and how stupid that is, but Verso's suicide death wish is apparently okay. Someone make it make sense.

>>712952104
>pajeets calling others brownoids because they themselves cannot understand kino
>>712956272
>The way that Une Vie a t'maier plays leading up to pRenior's 3rd fight and kicks in as the fight starts

>>712966369
>This game's beautiful.
Post an image of an beautiful woman from the game

>>712966361
No if someone writes a story about a detective investigating a robbery, or about a cashier falling in love with her neighbor, that isn't fantasy. Fantasy specifically involves the supernatural. Gone with the wind is not on the same level as Harry Potter for example. But I am still wondering where you would place Clair Obscur among the literary hierarchy

>there are braindead people who think this game has bad writing

>>712929919 (OP)
How people talk about this game is how I remember you retard niggers talking about Last of Us when it released on PS3.
I'm taking this as I did then, you're all retarded with virtually no frame of reference for good games and are parroting each other's farts and using critic scores as validation.

I crash like every 20 minutes or so

>>712966508

>>712966508
>le beauty means hot women I want to goon to uhhh OOHH I MUST EJACULATE HNNNNGNGHHH
Absolute brainlet reply as expected of BROWNs

>>712966687
Do you have a 40 series card?

>>712966776
yeah but it's laptop

>>712966508

>>712961319
And this is why I hate E33 faggots.

>>712966831
downgrade your drivers to 572.16

>>712966717
What is this low res crap?

>>712966773
Which one is it? Is it a safe DEI game, or is it a "beautiful" game? If it's beautiful game, post some "beauty", it shouldn't be hard, right? Could it be you're lying, that there's no beauty in this game?

>>712966906
I will try that thank

>>712966893
This looks like some horror character, not beauty. It would fit in some dark soul game and I wouldn't know

Truth is I really liked the game and I want to say the story of E33 is a masterpiece but I can't, there are too many flaws. And yeah I know there are a ton of people on social media saying it's the greatest thing ever, so anyone who disagrees must be on the wrong side of history right? Wrong, I have seen a not insignificant amount of people criticizing it as well. Even on the subreddit, which is a damn hive mind at this point. I've done my fair share of picking it apart and someone could try their hardest to convince me it's on the same level as like Crime and Punishment, but the feeling isnt there. When truly great art arrives, everyone knows it. And with this story there is just too much division. Every thread has people trying to convince each other it's either good or bad, and a truly good story doesnt need defenders, it can stand on its own merits, which sadly this story can't

>>712966327
i think they basically used the "Daddy will destroy the canvas the moment I leave" as a literary element to basically say "okay heres the limit on our story". like at some point they had to to create an ultimatum somewhere. otherwise yeah she couldve stayed in for a while, Verso couldve molded her, she couldve had Narnia-level adventures, life would've been good

>>712966893
The artist didnt do a good job with the eyes, it looks kind of scary

>>712966831
That's why, something with the 40s downgrade like the other anon said

I'm just running around doing post game stuff and I ran into these fucks that took me 20-30 min to kill because I'm mediocre at parrying and everyone gets OHKO'd. It's just time consuming to bounce back from and worse when the enemies have a lot of HP. Do I need to equip defense pictos or just lower the difficulty because I'm tired of wasting that much time on random fights.

>>712966508
>>712966893
pAlicia > Alicia > Maelle

this game is like deadlock but with singleplayer campaign isn't it?

>>712967328
>>712966963
basically all the newer drivers are super fucked, I'm using a 4090 and still on 572.16 myself I want to go newer as I already have one game demanding I update yet it works flawlessly despite the warning and I've not heard good news yet for any newer safe driver.

what did he mean by this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhAhQAvriM

Guys be honest is the 5060 ti 16b worth it at $479?

>>712967698
lol no get the 9060 xt.

>>712967746
>t. amd tranny

>>712967841
Its a better card in terms of value, all 50xx cards have huge problems and can't even into linux which means no playable modern emulation without massive shader stutter. I own a 4090 keep an 7900xtx rig on backup for just this purpose.

Also DLSS framegen is dogshit and has been surpassed by Dual GPU LSFG, Both my 7900xtx and my 4090 rig have a rx 6400 slotted into them for just framegen and I get 10ms lower end to end latency than DLSS4. Just admit Nvidia doesn't give a fuck about gamers anymore and is trying to sell you a xx50 for the price of a xx70.

>their lives don't matter because they aren't "real"!
How do retards with this thought process exist? Even Renoir understands that what he's doing is wrong, he simply prioritizes his family over the lives of literally everyone else, which I cannot fault him for. His painted version does the exact same thing even.
>>712966327
Him destroying the canvas at that point would be an act of pure spite. Nothing about his character suggests he would actually do that. He would likely come back before she dies and try to force the issue again, but destroying it after the fact would be pointless. Unless Aline tries to get into it again of course, then obviously he would burn it.

>>712968087
>can't even into linux
Good, fuck linux, that's pajeet/tranny OS. Nvidia smart, filters like that exist for a reason

AMD has shitty drivers and most UE games will more than likely have issues, olders ones too. It's a shitty engine, but it's what modern devs have chosen to adopt, so if you want to play any new games then Nvidia might be better option

>>712968243
So what card would you recommend that isnt AMD

>>712968243
You're fucking retarded, it is objective for anyone who actually cares about gaming that modern emulation is fucking dogshit on windows. Go try to play any switch game on windows and tell me it's a good experience. Hell the performance difference is so huge that my legion go went from constant stuttering and frame rate drops to a locked smooth no 1% lows 30fps on bazzite. The game wouldn't even be PLAYABLE on my handheld without linux, You're fucking coping and delusional.

>>712968339
Nvidia 5070 Ti , try find some that is close to msrp or something

I don't know what's worse, people pretending they cried at the beginning or pretending they cried at the end

>>712929919 (OP)
>jesus christ i cant stop crying wtf did i just consume
Yeah it's terrible, I was crying for the time I wasted on it too. Genocide all faggots and trannies and heebs.

>>712959914
The people disagreeing with this are retarded npcs on par with snyder fans

>>712968198
>How do retards with this thought process exist?
People who think like this can't handle grey endings, and thinking this makes it very easy to see Verso's as the 100% good end.

>>712960913
It's literally just shitty inception kill yourself

>>712930197
NOOOOO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHY SPUNGUS BETRAYED FAGGONI FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME

>>712968378
>You're fucking retarded
naah mate

>it is objective for anyone who actually cares about gaming that modern emulation is fucking dogshit on windows
I wouldn't know I don't have patience to setup directories for emulation stuff. Just managing vsts is pain enough, I don't need extra layers of pain

>Go try to play any switch game on windows and tell me it's a good experience.
This is what switch 1/2 is for. Not so much for "herp derp don't run emulations", but more that "you can play those games online when you play them on real hardware". Playing splatoon 2-3-4 online is kinda the meat of those games

>Hell the performance difference is so huge that my legion go went from constant stuttering and frame rate drops to a locked smooth no 1% lows 30fps on bazzite.
You're not supposed to be running some emulator shit on these handhelds, you're supposed to play Palworld. One job, come on!

>The game wouldn't even be PLAYABLE on my handheld without linux
Why not? Stop playing emulators

>You're fucking coping and delusional.
AMD drivers are bad, they don't play modern UE or old UE titles so well. Xcom 1 kept crashing for me constantly just on the first mission/tutorial loading screen alone. Not much help of 24GB of VRAM if the games aren't running, haha!

>>712968965
>naah mate
>proceeds to say the stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life
I can tell you're not even baiting right now, kill yourself.

>>712969069
Cope whatever you want. When a 1k amd flagship GPU struggles with a 2012 title, it really doesn't put much faith on the AMD drivers.

>>712969780
You're retarded there's yet to be a game that has come out that the 7900xtx can't play.

>>712929919 (OP)
a game with a garbage ending. I shouldn't have used Verso as the final fight. fuck this stupid game

>>712969890
The journey was still good.

>>712969868
I just told you, Xcom 1 crashed multiple times, and that's UE3 title

>>712969945
Don't smear your tech illiteracy and take it for truth.

>>712929919 (OP)
Baguetteslop

>>712968815
its literally Prometheus + Pistis Sophia, the most formative myths of human cosmogenesis
>hurr durr everything is a dream urrrrr inception urrrrrrr

>>712939115
>You mean an idiot teenager who thinks her life is over

She's 16 in 1905 France with those injuries. Her life really IS over.
Reminder that therapy does not exist in this time period and Aline fucking hates her, probably even moreso now that Maelle is directly responsible for kicking her out of Verso's Canvas. With Verso's Canvas and the last remaining part of his soul being destroyed its just Alicia killing Verso again in her eyes.
There's a decent chance that Aline just tosses Alicia into an asylum. I don't believe lobotomies exist yet so Alicia probably escapes that fate and will instead endure chronic pain for the rest of her life which will inevitably turn her into a bitter resentful person, or until she overdoses on prescribed Heroin.

That sounds like an extreme shitpost but remember, this is 1905 France. If you have any knowledge of how people were treated back in that time then you know this is all very possible.

>>712969890
>maelle ending fag

You poor sad soul.

>>712970352
Real life 1905 france didn't have magic painters who could create living worlds.
I'm not even a versofag and understand your argument is stupid.

>>712970492
Alicia is a dogshit 0 talent Paintress, this is well established.
She's not going anywhere if she's kept away from already existing Canvas.

There is only one game that made me actually shed a tear and it's some gay ass furry VN made by some anons.

>>712929919 (OP)
>consume
From the way you worded it, slop. If it was a game you would have played it.

>>712970792
Snoot was better

>>712970843
Snoot is edgier but Wani is comfier.

the amount of people that pretend to hate this game is honestly pathetic, nobody thinks you're funny or interesting

>>712929919 (OP)
i loved the game and was hyperfixated on it after beating it
listening to the soundtrack at work, watching youtube videos, wanting to replay it


then deltarune came out and made me forget all about it
then i played another rpg maker game which had a phenomenal story and i noticed...the story of e33 sucks ass? the first act is actually fucking meaningless and the family drama is boring as hell considering we never get to know alicia and her family so why should the player care about this at all? i still like the game gameplaywise and the soundtrack is great still but the story is just a total shitshow

>>712966508
Well, if you insist.

>>712955762
>>712958156
God you're pathetic.

Just want to say this thread has good discussions of the endings. I just finished the game, too.

>>712971436
who did you side with and why?

>>712929919 (OP)
You consumed a very thinly veiled "it was all a dream!" trope mixed with an overdose of French Existentialism that anyone could see the ending a mile away. Not the family drama, no, the "everyone is going to die so nothing matters" ending that invalidates the entire fucking story in a way that seems cruel and unearned.

>>712971838
How is this even a question? Maelle's ending is a clear "bad end, please reload for the real story".

>gets ass raped by smallhead nigga like 30 times
>quit game for like 3 days
>come back and beat him in like 3 tries
tf was I missing three days ago?

>>712972457
It's not a real question. Devs put the bad ending there as a retard test, akin to choosing Jane over Kenny or Chloe over Arcadia Bay.

>>712972457
>>712972601
Calm down midwits.

>>712929919 (OP)
a game full of garlic?

>>712972818
Y-you didn't actually choose the Pajeet ending, right anon? You have the emotional capability to understand why Verso's ending is the objectively correct ending, right?

>>712972902
Under those exact circumstances it is the marginally better option. It's still a shit option though.
Verso himself is to blame for those circumstances though.

>>712972540
He had a bad day at work when you won

>>712972959
By which I mean Verso's ending is the marginally better option. The main argument for Maelle's ending is to fuck over verso frankly.

>>712971838
Maelle.
God's creations deserve to live. I agree with the anon that asserts that any creator should aspire that their creations surpass the them.

Also Lune said they were going to paint a canvas within a canvas so the Lumerians can see the real world.

I got to the first old man with a cane fight (real one, not where gustave gets raped). I'm playing on hard and I feel like all of the sudden parry windows got shorter or out of sync? Like I'll press r1 RIGHT before the hit and it'll still hit me because the damage procs before the hit. As if the animations aren't in sync anymore. Real fucking annoying considering only maelle can survive 1 or 2 hits from literally anything.

>>712973603
Equip better pictos. Upgrade weapons.

>>712973603
I think what was far worse for me was the fact that relying on visuals never gave me a consistent parry so I started using the audio cue method instead. This would've been fine except for like 5 different fights through the whole game there are circumstances where this doesn't work or even exist. Thank god simon still had the audio cue.

>>712972902
>emotional capability
French Existentialism is baby's first emotional rollercoaster. It's a dumb plot device and the French suck at writing decent stories.
Thinking Verso's ending is the best option would be akin to being okay with your own eradication because "our creator is tired of being an all powerful entity and just wants to eat chicken tendies". You know fully well you wouldn't want to just sit there and be erased.

>this is my OC Simon. He is the coolest and hottest guy in the canvas who is BFFs with my brother (the 2nd coolest guy in the canvas) and he wields the 20-foot long sword of lumiere which he wields with one arm because boys with lost limbs are soooo hot. It can spawn two other swords, and he used it to kill my stupid dad's axon and he is my loyal husband 4 lyfe
Was Clea autistic

>>712970305
You need to kill yourself right this moment

>>712973971
How does this help get your mother out of the canvas?

>>712973971
>whole game is dogshit Simon Says getting in the way of actual turn based gameplay
>secret final boss is literally named Simon

>>712973603
don't parry before you get hit, parry as the attack makes contact with you. at least on expert. also you just need to learn audio/visual cues and it can take a couple tries to get the timing down

>grown men
>crying to some silly shit like a fucking Video game

>>712974306
What do you think Simon Says is?

>>712929919 (OP)
The few clips of it seems like it's very melodramatic, like it's written for women.

>>712974639
>clips
zoomzoom

>in the end, we really were the clair-obscur of expedition 33
wow...

Personally, I feel as though the story is great and the characters are all quite layered— even the less relevant ones like Lune and Sciel.

I’m not sure I’d call it the peak vidya narrative though. I think it’s still beat out by the likes of Silent Hill 2 and the original Nier in that regard.

>>712974639
The story was written by a woman.

>>712974273
What?

>>712929919 (OP)
>jesus christ i cant stop crying wtf did i just consume
Judging from the way you write, I'm guessing cum

>>712966893
Her left eye is intact.
It triggers my autism.

>>712929919 (OP)
Semen probably

>>712966975
The AI disagrees.

>>712975712
I’m convinced Alicia/Maelle would be able to find a suitor despite her burn scars, as she’s still pretty even with them. Especially considering that her and her family all have magic powers.

Expedition 33 is not THIS memorable to warrant daily threads about its story

When FFT criticized escapism it didn't earn itself an eternal place in the /v/ catalog filling over 20% of the threads at any given time

The game is NOT that great, parry mechanics is a cancer that ruins a plethora of ways the combat can be explored, some mechanics like jumping feel really janky and the characters' relationships aren't that great

In short, it's an excellent 7/10 game but the fact that it gets shilled so hard on /vee/ is really disconcerting

>>712976036
Yes, an arranged marriage with some old bastard who only cares about her family's wealth and who then promptly throws her into the basement, so that he doesn't have to parade a disfigured wife around during all those noble socialite parties.
Her best call is to leave her stupid family behind and elope with some nice boy.

>locks in your GOTY https://youtu.be/8qpZWJGDkls

>>712976241
you're mad that this game gets some deserved praise when the industry is 98% putrid shit and remakes that are worse than the original games. if e33 doesn't deserve pretty high praise then no games releases in the last 20 years do

>>712976241
Nah it's a 9/10.

I do agree with jumps being jank and not always working.

>>712976241
I think there is actual discussion to be had about the story and especially the ending and some people are just finishing the game now. I too, thought there must have been some shill campaign going on, but after finishing the game (just this week) I came to understand why discussion threads are made almost daily. It will die down eventually anyway.

FFT:A's story is similar true, but it doesn't have the same depth, layers and nuance E33 has. Adding a choice at the end also makes it a more personal journey than how FFT:A ended.

>>712975396
the expedition part was Gilliaume's idea (the creative director), while the Painter and family plotline was by Jennifer Yen(the head writer). They co-wrote the script.
I think this is why it Acts 1 and 2 kind of feel disjointed from 3, and they really only make sense on a second playthrough.

>>712977006
I personally think the story becomes more interesting when the family drama comes to the forefront. It’d just be a generic JRPG without it.

>>712977006
Ah, so that's why the first 2 acts are kino and the 3rd shits the bed.

>>712930197
Bot reply

I can fix her

>>712930197
fpbp
french trannies need to go back sucking arab cock instead of shilling this UE5 pretentious garbage

>>712957935
I don't think that there should be any question that the painted people are "real," but the problem is the scale of their reality. It's the same kind of simulation thought experiment where you have an entire reality running on your computer down to the most exact minutae, all of your creations experience everything akin to their real life analogue do. The only measurable "unreality" of them is the process and scale compared to the "real" world, and how you (in this format, both the painters and the players) value one over the other in a situation where the story forces you to make a binary decision. I don't think there is a "right" answer unless you're trying to work out of a humanist trolly problem ethic of taking the choice that causes the least suffering, but that in itself gets muddied because of the problem of applying the value of "realness" to beings that in exist in a smaller artificial scale.

>>712977006
My only gripe with the game's story is the ending. The game goes so hard to pick a side, that it makes me think what was even the point of making the ending a choice, if the story has already made up its mind about which ending is the "correct" one.

>>712977518
This. Plus, the Verso ending is straight up more cathartic and satisfying. The Maelle ending is a horror movie ending.

>>712976403
Hard agree. The jank in the jump mechanics is the only thing that pulled me out of a few boss fights. That said, the game nails atmosphere and pacing like almost nothing else in recent memory. The slow unravel of the Painter’s role and how it ties into the themes of isolation and authorship? Fucking peak storytelling. Easily 9/10, and if they patch some of the technical hiccups, could end up being a classic down the line.

>>712977675
The jump mechanic is fine honestly. Jumping and movement in the field feels janky though. I swear the only reason the game has so many platforming and parkour challenges is because the devs knew how finicky it could be.

>>712976241
FFT was released in 1997 you jackass. I agree, the game isn't flawless and a lot of what it does is clearly inspired by other games, the difference is this game has released now, people have played it now, and want to talk about it. If 4chan was an active format for for discussion in fucking 1998 you bet your ass this many people would be talking about FFT. Beyond FFT anyways this game has scratched a major itch for me that I haven't experienced since playing Legend of the Dragoon back when I was a kid. I fucking love timing based mechanics.

>>712977772
>the devs knew how finicky it could be.
I mean, yeah, the lead dev admits as such.
He's an autist who was raised on shitty Final Fantasy minigames and thought that putting a deliberately janky minigame in E33 will be funny.

>>712930389
Drawings have no human rights.

>>712930389
maelle's ending is for people that can't supersede the reasoning and logical capacity of a child desu

>>712977518
the maelle ending is to bait people that think that they can just fix the world so everything they explored, and all of the things they enjoyed, and characters they met while playing the game can go back to normal. but that only works on people that skipped side content and didn't read anything, because they wouldn't know that the gestrals are a parallel of what happens when you just continue to repaint things and replace them. they lose more and more of who/what they were before every time.
i chose verso without knowing what would happen in either ending because i understood his desire to finally let go. but if i picked maelle first and she what happened i'd have immediately wanted to do a second playthrough in order to fix things for real by ending everything, which i think is cool

>>712977101
same thoughts. I tuned out the expedition aspect, but was invested after the act 2/3 lore dump. The family drama and conflict actually elevates the expedition and Lumiere's struggle to carry on.

>>712977518
it's obvious that the developers intent is for Verso's ending to be the "less bad ending". We as the audience and players though can and should go beyond their "authorial intent" and as discussed in numerous points in this thread, Maelle's decision has merit behind it too (though I personally think her main motivation is her selfish desire to be a fully functioning person, and less about benevolence towards Lumierians).

Maelle's position improves if you disregard the framing of her ending - which I think I agree is a bit cheap and they could have made it feel more open ended and a less dire conclusion. This is the realm of headcanon already, though.

>>712929919 (OP)
If this game doesn't make you feel something you are either a teenager or a sociopath

>>712977865
>lead dev says that Final Fantasy VIII is one of his all time favourite games and was one of the inspirations behind E33
>didn’t include a card mini-game/Triple Triad clone

Wasted opportunity.

>>712977990
>gestrals are a parallel of what happens when you just continue to repaint things and replace them

its not , devs literally confirmed that rules for gestrals are different than humans, its not a parallel to anything.

>>712978215
doesn't matter what the devs said when the game itself displays that it's a very similar case, like clea or simon getting painted over and becoming someone that they weren't before. all of the people brought back by maelle would just be imitations of someone else's creations

>>712978061
>Maelle's decision has merit behind it too
Actually that's why I think the endings fall apart. I was at that point less concerned with Lumiere and more on the side of Maelle, because her arguments WERE making sense for me. Why should she even return to this shitty life she's stuck with begin with - that's the question she keeps asking and the game has no answer for it outside of cheap "it'll be fine". I was expecting more of a debate, but the game just dismissed her points, told her to shut up and deal with it.

Is there a journal somewhere that explains Goblu's deal? As far as I can tell that's the only nonwhite Nevron that had any though process besides "kill expeditioners, collect chroma" I can think of.

>The Expedition is removed from the Canvas.

what was the point of gustave? I thought he'd be brought back before the end
And a 5 player team does not make sense when there are 6 slots.
Stupid af

>>712978343
NTA. I think what is canon is that painting requires an understanding of the essence of the person you are trying to create - thus Maelle can do it for Sciel, Gustave and Lune.
I am less sure if she can do it for anyone else she has limited understanding about, and if she could I doubt it would be close to the original thing.

>>712978483
>because her arguments WERE making sense for me
>I was expecting more of a debate, but the game just dismissed her points, told her to shut up and deal with it.
as verso clearly says, alicia is a paintress, she can create any world she wants to live in. but he wants to be free, and he thinks his original counterpart's soul should also be free. you can even view verso through the lens of being the voice of aline's acceptance of what has happened. the truth is, they all need to move on from verso's canvas; torturing his soul to appease their own insecurity and grief is not a way forward.

if alicia wants to escape her own pain and struggles in the dessendre's world, she can paint her very own canvas.

>>712978523
The whole Goblu fight is fucking weird:

>Gustave hallucinates Sophie when touching the rose and this is never explained
>Goblu actually escapes, which appears to be setting up a rematch with him later, but this never comes

There’s also the fact that The Lampmaster gets revived when Gustave fights Renoir, and then it just disappears without explanation and never shows up again.

>>712978573
POV character to ease players into the world, plus being a parallel to Verso.

>>712978653
it was a misdirection to make you think the nevrons were the 'turned' citizens of lumiere.

>The Lampmaster gets revived when Gustave fights Renoir, and then it just disappears without explanation and never shows up again.
someone didn't finish the game...

>>712976241
If FFT came out yesterday it definitely would have had threads 24/7 for months.

>>712978636
>if alicia wants to escape her own pain and struggles in the dessendre's world, she can paint her very own canvas
BUT THAT LITERALLY DEFEATS THE POINT RENOIR WAS MAKING 5 SECONDS AGO ABOUT HOW TREACHEROUS ESCAPISM IS.
The game wants to have its cake and eat it to. You can't make a statement about how escapism is dangerous, that even Aline, the best of the best, got lost in it and then have Verso say "make yourself a new canvas to escape your problems, lol". This doesn't work.

>>712978653
Yeah, I thought that there was going to be a split bossfight at that point alternating between Gustave/Renoir and Sciel+Lune fighting Lampmaster. I think it being a hallucination of Sophie is overthinking it though, it just reminded him of her. With how I was thinking of it at the time it could have just served as a red herring, I had a stray thought that perhaps gommaged people became nevrons, and that perhaps Sophie was Goblu (this anon beat me to it >>712978773 ) in which case it served its purpose as a red herring but it still leaves what Goblu's deal was unresolved.The game has holes for sure, but holding something to the standard of being flawless I don't think is fair.

>>712978773
I’m aware the Lampmaster can be fought again in post-game dungeons, but these feel like they’re copies of the Lampmaster, rather than the actual one.

>>712978573
my headcanon is that he is another version of Verso created by Aline in order to endear Maelle with the painted world. It worked.

>>712978774
Delita really did do nothing wrong though

>>712978832
I feel something like that isn’t a nitpick, but a glaring oversight. It feels like the writers forgot about that whole interaction. The lack of a true “rematch” with Goblu also sucked (unless you count the Flying Mansion fight), especially considering Goblu’s boss theme is really good.

>>712978813
part of the reason they struggle to leave the canvas is because of their attachment to verso. maelle and aline are clinging onto their memories of verso rather than moving forward. alicia, clea, and verso all played in that canvas and had no issues leaving it before; the problem is their grief binds them to the canvas in an unhealthily addictive way.

i stand by saying that maelle's ending is childish; it shows unhealthy coping habits and a division among their family in their experience of grief instead of coming together to move forward cohesively. renoir is 100% right. he waits for almost 70 fucking years to make his point and still sticks by his guns rather than lashing out in hatred at his family.

>>712978969
I'm not trying to diminish it to a nitpick, I just don't think that it serves as something that knocks the quality of what comes after it down.

>>712967105
There is no such thing as a unifying artwork that everyone agrees is a masterpiece. No literary fiction has ever done what you claim. Never has there been one story that when read every one believes it to be an unassailable massterpiece. Give me just one example and I'll fucking wait.

>>712978991
Renoir got lost in the canvas as well one time and I assume it didn't have Verso's soul in it. The point is that EVERYTHING can get you lost in the canvas as long as you desire it. And what Alicia desires the most at this point is to have a normal life of a healthy girl. She will always be in danger.

>>712929919 (OP)
faggots who never picked up a book crying and shitting themselves over video games will never not be funny to me
they are like those weebs that unironically cried watching naruto and consider it to be "life changing" and "peak fiction"

Anyone found a nice sweet spot for the modifiers for act 3 I'm about to get there again

>>712979186
you cried over words on a piece of paper? zesty ahh

>>712979141
>And what Alicia desires the most at this point is to have a normal life of a healthy girl. She will always be in danger.
but she *doesn't*, and clinging to verso's canvas only serves to embroil the rest of them in that grief party. why did maelle go into the canvas *at all* post injury? because aline and renoir were fighting in it. based bitch clea had the wherewithal to step away from it.

what maelle wants to do, is the equivalent of re-reading harry potter for the rest of her life because she really enjoyed it once with big brother. it's unhealthy as fuck.

Trying to firmly plant the endings in "correct" and "incorrect" is a pointless endeavor. Regardless of how you feel about the validity of caring for the Lumerians the choices given for the endings are the options left when you have a cast of stubborn, hypocritical selfish people that all think that they are doing what's best for everyone when in reality it's more about doing what's best for themselves.

>>712979278
>but she *doesn't*
She DOES. She literally spells it out for both Renoir and Verso. You can't just dismiss her point this easily because then it makes you right.

>>712979383
Technically, the Verso ending is better for the Lumierians too, since you free them from a life where they have no free will and are at constant risk of getting gommaged at a moment’s notice.

>>712979480
she doesn't have a healthy life to lead anymore, that's the reality of it. her living vicariously through her dead brother's imaginary world is insane. maelle friends are always blind to the childishness of their actions :(

>>712979572
>she doesn't have a healthy life to lead anymore, that's the reality of it.
Exactly. So why the fuck should she return to the real world in the first place, if real world no longer has anything to offer her?
It's like having an abused housewife returning to her drunk husband hoping that this time around it'll be fine.

>>712979525
I think that's a silly way to look at it. They had how many hundreds if not thousands of years of existence ever since they were created and technically you could say that they didn't have free will because Painters are gods that control all aspects of the painting, but in every observable way they have as much free will as any person that lives in circumstances they cannot entirely control. If you're holding the fact that Renoir will likely wipe the canvas after Alicia dies as some doomed fate then you could say the same for Earth getting destroyed when the Sun burns out.

>>712978573
For the DLC where he lives and opens up the third golden ending.

>>712954948
EXTREMELY anti-semitic writing!

>>712979572
>she doesn't have a healthy life to lead anymore

She’s still attractive despite the burn scars, is part of a wealthy family with a father who loves her, and she can use magic.

She could do a lot worse despite her trauma. Speaking as someone who’s actually gone through PTSD, you often think your life is over and are prone to irrational actions in the moment.

>>712929919 (OP)
>jesus christ i cant stop crying wtf did i just consume
slop

>>712979725
The funny thing is that if Gustave made it to the end, he would have came up with the ideal ending. He would have been able to convince Maelle to leave, and persuade Renoir to spare the Canvas.

>>712979660
We don't have a full context of what life is like in the real world outside of Verso's canvas. It's pretty apparant that Alicia has godlike Painting skills. The Dessendres as part of the Painters Council seem like the top level elite of society which she would easily flourish in with her adept magical powers. Baldwin IV was dying all his life of leprosy and was a king. He's an extreme example to point at but there are all kinds of people who have lived through life altering manglements that have completely fucked them up yet have had the willpower to live a life without eating a bullet or riding a train of drugs into numbness. In Verso's ending he isn't telling Alicia that she'll be fine because of her wonderful power to paint to mean that she can just create as many canvasses as she wants to bury herself in escapism, he meant that she had a valued gift with which a meaningful life could be built on.

>>712978343
No, Maelle's paintings are not imitations. The story says the opposite zoom zoom.

>>712973259
But Alicia is a shitty paintress. She couldn't bring back the people of Lumiere that were gommage'd away at the end of act II. The ones she made are all monochromatic. Her end even goes out of its way to ensure you never get a clear look at any of the Lumerians because they aren't the Lumerian's that Aline created brought back. They are Alicia's approximations of Aline's creations. It was a clear effort to only show us the people that Alicia/Maelle actually knew. We also have no clue how much time has passed in the canvas. Verso has grown old, but was it natural or was it at the snap of a finger? If it wasn't just a finger snap and Verso actually lived to the age we see him why haven't any of the other characters aged? Do Lune, Sciel, Monoco, and Esquie even remember what happened or did Alicia 'fix' them in the same way she 'fixed' Verso?
Also, Alicia's end is shot as a horror movie complete with a jump scare. It reminded me of the ending to the original "Nightmare on Elm Street".
The endings are grey, but one of them is less so.

>>712980003
no it doesn't

>>712980240
You didnt play the game/watched a stream or you have short attention span, your opinion is not consistent with the story, sorry.

>>712979660
i'm glad you've come to the rational conclusion that you should only ever play e33 again, or that you should never wake from a dream, because change is too hard and too painful to deal with

>>712974584
>grown men having feelings
>crying because they have them
One day you may grow up to be a man. And you can revisit how you spent your youth. Perhaps even shed a tear or two. Good luck Anon.

>>712976036
I wish that fiction was brave enough to show how awful real burn victims look. I know why they don't, but just fucking once I'd like to see them try. There would be a lot less Maelle fags for sure.

>>712980423
maelle only repainted the original lune and sciel because the game showed her explicitly capturing their "essence" before they gommaged. she can't do it with anyone else

>>712980163
>The ones she made are all monochromatic.
No, its simply similar outfits for opera goers, dress code. Its also reuse of assets that is obvious throughout the whole game. For example Verso keeps wearing pRenoirs suit in flashbacks. Real Renoir is wearing pRenoir pants in the canvas and the real world.

It's literally just clothes retard, you think they cant change them? They arent "monochromatic", or maybe you think she only brought white people back?

Stop making shit up retard, the story doesnt support any of your narratives.
>why haven't any of the other characters aged?
they have

>>712980642
She said she can if she had pure chroma, no one else said otherwise. Please use the game to argue your point stop making shit up. Not only that but they went out of their way to talk about copies - Sciel doesnt want a "copy" of her husband, she wants him to be brought back thats it. Stands to reason that's what happened.

>>712976847
It's much like /v/ back when The Last of Us came out. People would finish the game and naturally want to talk about the ending. Although E33 isn't getting nearly the same amount of daily threads, and to be fair /v/ isn't nearly as active as it was then. Now people have more options than to come to the mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>712980636
That would probably grant them the dreaded AO rating.

But what are these niggas about

>>712929919 (OP)

One of the best games I've ever played.

>>712980995
Literally nobody knows. Nobody even remembers painting them into the canvas in the first place.

>>712980995
Joke enemies reflecting the fact that the game is French. They’re like the game’s Equivalent of Tonberries or Cactaurs.

>>712978813
Verso wants Alicia to get out of his canvas to grow and then make her own canvas worlds. I thought that was the implication.

https://youtu.be/TcEdif_2PNY

>>712979748
This. Alicia needs to leave the canvas. She became intoxicated on 'Maelle'. Alicia didn't enter the canvas to escape her awful existence. She entered the canvas to try and stop her parents from fighting.

REAL Verso would NOT want his canvas deleted but he also wanted to move on. There is no way out of this specific predicament because Aline and Alicia are both drug addicts, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue and they could just fucking visit every now and then and leave the painted world the fuck alone. Painted Verso is the biggest fuck up character in the entire story. The most retarded shit he ever did? easy: he let Gustave die on purpose without ever really learning how much he meant to Maelle/Alicia, or maybe he did know but let it happen because he underestimated their bond. Gustave was the one guy that could have convinced her to not fucking kill herself in the painted world and to live her real life with her family and not drown in endless grief. After all, she could always visit and see them all. And he more than likely would have found a potential third option to preserve the painted world with her, the third and different option that painted Alicia alludes to but ultimately isn't brought up ever again because I guess the devs didn't want a third ending because the two available ones are more than enough to keep people talking about the story.

The entirety of the drama is completely founded on them consistently telling you how Alicia and Aline are crack addicts of paint. Alicia convinced real Renoir that she would not get addicted and he chose to not-really believe her but left her alone anyway. But for the moment, the fight was over. If she kept her word, it would have been fine. The drama just feels very forced no matter how you see it, it's all about them being addicted to paint crack.

>>712980163
>But Alicia is a shitty paintress
Something interesting is that Aline's kids may not even give a fuck about painting to begin with.
>Clea is a sculptor
>Verso was a music guy
>Alicia is, ironically, more of a writer

>>712980678
The only way Alicia was able to paint Lune and Sciel was grabbing their chroma right after the Gommage and after that she still needed Verso's help to paint them. He told her she needed to 'ocus on the essence of who they were, and you think that she was able to bring back all of those Gommaged citizens that she didn't even know? Those people in Lumiere in Alicia's ending are her creations, not Aline's. They are HER perversion of Verso's canvas. Essentially, she's reset the cycle.

>>712980923
Most likely. I do wish for that bravery though.

>>712929919 (OP)
a shit girl boss game

i 100% the game after 100 hours and put the sakapatate outfits on everyone and brought them to rest in the gestral village for the rest of eternity. i wish the game didn't have to end, but i can never replay it again because the world needs to be erased for everyone's sake

>>712980995
This is what Renoir paints in secret when he is not painting Axons

>>712982046
>and you think that she was able to bring back all of those Gommaged citizens that she didn't even know? Those people in Lumiere in Alicia's ending are her creations, not Aline's

Yes , that's what we were told, we were not told anything else. She brought Pierre back with his personality and his memories and his appearance without ever knowing him. Those are Aline's creations. Youre making shit up.

>>712981872
I think that is how the writers got to Alicia in the first place. Aline seems to be trying to force her children down the path, but ultimately they each do their own thing as children are supposed to do. Some may follow in your footsteps while others end up wildly different. Aline is kind of painted as being a stern bitch though, but she is head of a painter's council and can't have HER children doing such uncouth things! Renoir is more motherly.

>>712981657
>Alicia didn't enter the canvas to escape her awful existence.
She kinda did. She wasn't acting on it, but when Clea tells her to hop into the painting, Alicia literally goes "hey, wait a minute, I don't have to be a cripple anymore".

>>712982568
Aline is kind of a shit mother, but Renoir is a good dad. I’m amazed the two put up with eachother consider the whole canvas world is basically a proxy war between them.

>>712982692
>I’m amazed the two put up with eachother consider the whole canvas world is basically a proxy war between them.
Yeah. I for one couldn't believe for a second that the Dessendres are a loving family, with how stern and rigid everybody feels.
Aline is demanding and apparently quite a bit cold towards her children, Renoir is too controlling for his own good, Clea is an overcompensating bitch, Verso was apparently depressed and only pretending to be happy around his family and Alicia is a quiet and withdrawn nerd that just sits in her room all day.
That's not a healthy family.

>>712982401
Where did she get Pierre's chroma? And how do you know that he, Sciel, Lune, Monoco, and Esquie haven't been altered? Another question: If these are the same people what do they know? Did Alicia tell Gustave about his death and what they did? Or did she paint a utopia where she has both of her dead brothers again? The narrative tells us that if that were the real Gustave he wouldn't be smiling and enjoying the opera. He'd do everything he could to get Maelle/Alicia out of the canvas. Sacrificing his life again. Just like her real brother and Painted Verso.

>>712982692
I did see that in Verso's ending they seem to realize the mistakes they've made. I'd like to think that Verso's death has changed them all for the better. That's my interpretation of the scene anyway.

>>712981753
>Gustave was the one guy that could have convinced her

I was thinking of this too. His presence would have changed everything for the better in the end.

>>712983318
They did?
>Aline is only fixated on Verso's grave
>Renoir is only fixated on Aline
>Clea decides she has better shit to do than hang out with her family
>Alicia is left alone, with everybody ignoring her, even though she tries to make contact.

Why Aline keeps killing the people in Lumiere if she is trying to protect them? Whats with Maelle face at her ending?

>>712930197
Fpbp

>>712983442
renoir is the one killing everyone, aline is the one making sure he can't just kill everyone at once and be done with it
maelle became a paint crack addict living in a fantasy world her brother created and she took a fat shit on to make it what she wants it to be

>>712983442
Aline isn't killing the people in Lumiere that is Renoir. The number on the Monolith is a count down until Aline can no longer suppress the Gommage.
Maelle's face is that of a paintress. Verso sees her succumbing to the same problem that his mother had. I'm guessing you didn't play the game?

>>712983148
>Where did she get Pierre's chroma?
After Renoir leaves she can control all chroma in the canvas, she can sift through the chroma and find the right one. Their chroma = basically souls
>He'd do everything he could to get Maelle/Alicia out of the canvas

And he'd quickly realize he cant do anything. And then there is "The future of Lumiere is more important than any individual life."
>Sacrificing his life again. Just like her real brother and Painted Verso.
stop projecting your sadboy cuck energy

Why couldn’t Maelle just make another canvas world? Seems like a cheat way to get around Renoir’s ultimatum.

>>712977347
we know Verso...

>>712983996
Because it doesn't fix anything.
>the escapism is toxic and might kill you, you have to face your reality
>or create a new canvas to escape to, either one works.

do you think there will be any other games set in this universe? seems like they have some options with there being different guilds of creators like writers and painters

>>712984464
Yeah, most likely. They probably won't follow the Dessendre family, but the devs can do whatever the fuck they want with that IP.

>>712980772
tbf it's unknown if she can capture the essence of Lumierians she has no intimate knowledge about. We know she can recreate them with Chroma, but we also know Painters need to know the essence of someone to recreate them faithfully.

At least based on the Maelle ending (w/c I mentioned is a bit cheap conceptually to force an ending, though I admit it's the most haunting shot in the game, the jumpscare and the old and tired Verso in black in white is etched in my mind forever) - the message of the developer is that Maelle is merely repeating her mother's mistake. There is uncertainty if Lumiere is actually in a good spot with her at the helm.

>>712980642
So you didn't deny the part about not playing the game

>>712984272
>the escapism is toxic and might kill you
neither renoir nor verso ever say this, what they say is that staying in a painting permanently will cause her to eventually die IRL, and she only wants to do that because renoir is going to throw versos canvas in a woodchipper the second she's out of it

it is entirely on maelle not wanting to leave because she's 16 years old and stupid

verso ending is canon because maelle has to be the biggest fucking retard in the universe to be a paintress with a move so broken the devs had to nerf it and the ability to make everyone break the damage cap but still lose in a 1v1 against a painted verso, might makes right

>>712984880
The game doesn’t really answer what happens when someone dies while in a painting. Does their soul linger on in the painting after death, because it seems like that’s what happened with Verso (since the real Verso is the mysterious boy).

>>712929919 (OP)
Reddit game.

>>712929919 (OP)
It's gay.

>>712985086
who has the sliver of rVerso's soul? the boy or the MC Verso?

>>712985342
The boy

>>712985368
why didn't Verso gommage after Aline died? Shouldn't Renoir have done him in too, or he is too sentimental to do it?

>>712985585
For the same reason painted Alicia didn't gommage. Aline made them immune to gommage (or anything, really) and as such they require a bit more "personal touch". Just like Renoir/the Curator needed to come down personally to deal with pRenoir.

>>712966684
I give it a year before the same people praising it start calling it the shittiest game ever made.

>>712985086
I always took the "a part of his soul is in this canvas" as to mean that every single Canvas that a Painter makes involves them putting a sliver of their soul inside of it to grant it power and to maintain itself. I imagine when they wipe a Canvas they get their sliver back, or in the case of Verso it will finally go to whatever there is of an afterlife/nothingness there is after death.

>>712929919 (OP)
It's the HRT and SSRIs bro, you need to kick those.

>>712966684
To be fair, TLOU was pretentious as fuck from the get go and Druckmann was a shithead about it. E33 really isn't.

>>712929919 (OP)
low testosterone faggot

>>712985909
tlou has a very down to earth tone. I wouldn't call either game pretentious

>>712930197
Fpbp

Fuck nepo 33

>>712986268
ya know, the whole superimposing the israeli/palestinian conflict into the 2nd game and making one side morally better than the other isn't pretentious or anything.

Still not playing your goyslop

>>712986268
>>712986345
TLOU is very much pretentious. It’s trying so hard to be Oscar-bait despite the fact it’s a pretty run of the mill TPS. Even the decision to name TLOU2 “TLOU Part 2” is obviously aping The Godfather movies, and is Druckmann’s what if subtly communicating he wants validation from Hollywood. E33, by comparison, is just a bunch of French weebs making their own JRPG.

Fucking hell, the conversations about this game are the most boring shit ever. Stop pretending you give a shit about the binary choice that doesn't matter because, in universe or out, it's all fake.

dibs