Why is he such a divisive character?

>>712940094 (OP)
He was correct but also couldn't see outside his own wants/perspective. I love Kenny but he's also an asshole and got his wife killed because he's that brand of self obsessed that only can work in cyclical thinking.

>>712940094 (OP)
he's written to be very sensitive and disloyal, will aggressively turn on you the second you do something he disagrees with, even when it's just a tactical decision for the good of the group, not a move specifically against him.

because retards play this shit the way they would if it was normal life, not a zombie apocalypse scenario and get mad at a guy for putting his family before everyone else even when there's only a potential risk
they think kenny should drop everything to save Lee and Clem, the way Kenny might right now if he saw a car barreling toward them on a public street, but not the way he wouldn't if it was a horde of zombies in a zombie world, where he is more concerned with his own longevity v. protecting his family due to the current circumstances

>>712940442
>he's written to be very sensitive and disloyal,
So he's a woman-coded hillbilly?

>>712940094 (OP)
He called Lee urban once and now all his detractors refuse to see any reason and treat him like he's hillbilly hitler.

>>712940094 (OP)
was he really? hes a fan favorite

>>712940645
>putting his family before everyone else
he really didn't though. He failed at that incredibly hard because he couldn't think outside of himself. not a single "oh wait my depressed wife is wandering into the woods with a gun and my son is turning, I wonder what that will add up to."

Kenny says its about family, but in practice of action it was about himself.

reminder that when someone asks "why do people hate kenny" it's because they watched a let's play of the game when it came out and all of those people are retarded cucks who can't comprehend the motivations of an actual father

>>712940839
No.
If he hadn't broken his stride to help Lee or anyone else, he and his family would've been better off.
If you didn't understand that, you're retarded. Selfishness is the way to go.

Reminds me to replay the games again, should I play the original releases or the big collection?

>>712940094 (OP)
Kenny was right about everything. I sided with him on every choice since game 1 and he was total bro tier.

>>712940094 (OP)
because he kept clashing with the group, when people should've realised the group was full of retards and it's safer to stick with kenny who's been surviving all this time and would literally sacrifice himself for clem

>>712940094 (OP)

>>712941070
This. Everyone but Kenny turned out to be a retard and people hate him for arguing against retards in a life and death situation

What makes Kenny a good character is that he is very flawed and not very clever, but still someone who ultimately stayed a good person, in a world where many lost themselves

>>712941249
he was the only person who genuinely cared and looked out for clementine, people forget that she's only 11 in season 2
everyone else constantly fucks over or leaves clem to fend for herself

>>712940094 (OP)
He murdered a woman who had an unborn child

boat

>>712941474
Kenny never forgot about losing his son, so it make sense. He didn't wanted to lose another kid.

>>712941489
desu there's no way he could have known this about Jane, even Jane seemingly wasn't aware until too late

>>712940094 (OP)
Because there's only one real route in the game. The first half of the game is built around the divide between Lily and Kenny in their struggle for leadership, and this should be something in a choice based game that the player can influence to a greater degree, however Lily kind of just goes crazy midway through the story leaving Kenny as the only option. Even if you stick with Lily through everything and accept her offer to leave in the RV with her, she just bails on you anyway. So now people who have spent the entire game backing up Lily will have nothing but a guy they've been sidelining, and Kenny understandably doesn't take kindly to that. The game very obviously wants you to like Kenny and makes him one of the guaranteed final companions you'll have, but by his nature as the character who is the most influenced by your actions, that means he's going to overstay his welcome for players who didn't get along with him in the first place. Or if you even disagreed with him in one major decision out of the extremely plentiful chances you're given to agree with him, that can have dramatic implications on how he feels about you. The Larry example is one of the most egregious ones because most players aren't going to be thinking "This is what Kenny wants" or "This guy knows my identity and that could be dangerous," they're thinking "Shit, this guy's dying and maybe I can help him out because the game is giving me the choice to do so." You can stick by Kenny through everything, but go against him here in the interest of preserving a life, and it's almost like nothing else even matters. Agreeing with Kenny about leaving the motor inn 50 times in one episode is worth +1 point in each instance, but trying to save Larry is worth -500, and this instantly makes him divisive because it feels like Kenny is a massive fairweather friend and unwilling to look past one thing, especially when he's guilty of doing the same later in trying to save Duck after he's bitten.

Do I replay them with the The Telltale Definitive Series collection-remaster or the original games?

>>712942967
>But you should have just been sticking with Kenny through every decision because he was right about everything and he's based
Correct, but that's something the player can't possibly know until it's too late. Hell, this is a zombie game where anyone can die without warning, who knows if Kenny is even going to make it to the next episode? Is it worth it to be so loyal to someone who might not even be alive next episode? If anything, Lily is an example of why loyalty can be absolutely wasted. It'll ultimately come down to if players like Kenny more than the other options which is extremely subjective, but I do think this is why Kenny was placed so early in the game, and why everyone else in the drug store was so immediately hostile, it gives you an immediate bias towards Kenny and his family, which the writers clearly wanted you to have because Kenny is there for the whole game and most of the sequel, and ends up being right about everything both times around. His divisive nature in the sequel is honestly mostly manufactured by the story itself, everyone just says Kenny's losing it when it's been like a day after he lost everything in his life. Sorry he can't get over people dying as quickly as you faggots did with Sarah and Nick. And I think that the main reason people saved Jane is the same reason people tried to save Larry, in the interest of preserving a life. It doesn't come down to "Shoot Kenny" and "Shoot Jane," you get to choose to save her, or let her die, which feels like the writers are pushing you in a specific direction, never mind the fact that Jane is a psycho bitch who tells you to stay out of it and chooses not to tell Kenny the truth to save herself even when she's about to die because she's that obsessed with having Clem as her imouto that she's willing to die for it.
tl;dr: The writing in the first game is limited by the single route, and the writing in the second game is limited because it's bad.

>>712940094 (OP)
Written as a tragic buffoon, but yokels who see themselves in his redneck-iness project some kind of bravery and strength onto him that he doesn't have.

He exists as a vehicle for pathos. He did everything absurdly wrong and then led his group to their doom (multiple times).

>>712943802
>Correct, but that's something the player can't possibly know until it's too late. Hell, this is a zombie game where anyone can die without warning,
This isn't even true, but the game does want you to think it is, and as such the player should think conservatively and defensively
when people hate Kenny it's because they played as an altruist, which would be a death sentence in a scenario where you and your child-bride don't have plot armor that saves you even when you fuck up

>>712940094 (OP)
He's only hated because he reminds fragile people of their fathers. Same with Larry.

>Kenny when his kid or wife gets bit: We can still find a cure, there's more than enough time to save them
>Kenny when someone from the group gets bit: Immediately drops a brick on their head

>>712945123
I wish I had a dad like Kenny when I was a kid

>>712945539
Pretty sure he panicked and Larry wasn't bitten, he was seemingly not breathing at all he does open his eyes in the last second

>>712945539
there is literally nothing wrong with this way of thinking

>>712940094 (OP)
Selfish prick and a diva. Sorry Lee you're dying but I can't help you save Clem because you didn't suck me off in the previous episodes and swallowed my cum like a good lil urban

>>712946131
Except he's not built for this world. You have to do what you need to do to live and that includes your own family.

>>712940094 (OP)
Because he doesn't compromise on anything

>>712945673
My dad is basically Kenny

>>712946719
no, it only includes your own family
lee gets a pass for clem, but even then if I was part of some former military outfit that mostly survived the initial outbreak in our base and we only had room for a few more mouths and it was a man and some kid or a man, his wife, and their child, I'd choose to save the latter
you should also not travel with old people with heart issues, and realistically not any childless women over 30, either

>>712946979
Lucky bastard, hope your life didn't go to shit as you got proper guidance

>>712945756
For all we know he was turning, i let him "die" since on the long run we would have been a burden

I remember back then, I was CONVINCED the girl with blond hair and the ice pick would return, but she never did. I was disappointed back then but now I think it makes her more memorable.

This guy really came out of nowhere and yet he shows up in episode 1 if you look well

>>712947262
>Yes, you have done literally the impossible to protect this little girl you didn't know
>Yes, you have put her safety above everything else
>Yes, you are literally going to die any second now yet you fought through a horde of zombies to save her
>But do you know when's her birthday? Didn't think so asshole, you are a bad person
It was hilarious seeing this fag grasp at straws if you played as a literal saint

yeah I saw that twitter thread too op

*Steal your boat*

How was season 4 again? it's being a long time already since it released

>>712948615
There was a fourth season?

>>712941489
>yeah I killed the baby
>yeah I shit talked your dear family and also your saar woman
>yeah I sliced open your belly
>no I won't tell you I have just been gaslighting you so that I can show you are a type of person to kill someone for killing a child
>AAAAIEEEEEEEEEE CLEM SHOOT THE SHIT HE IS PENETRATING ME

>>712948785
Yeah, the final one, during development of which Telltale shut down.

>>712947929
I regret being nice to those old cancerous fucks.

>>712948785
Yeah
On an unrelated note, do you prefer nigger musicians that don't know to shut up or stuck up Life is Strange tier lesbians?

This guy basically was Kenny but with none of the qualities

>>712949439
technically you can say no to both. You are not forced to romance.
It would have being awkward if the girl ex lover end up realizing Clem replaced her (and she was already hating Clem guts)

>>712949550
Nick is definitely a member of the top five wasted potential characters from this series

>>712949439
I liked the nigger musician.

Kenny did literally nothing wrong.

Does he deserve the hate or is he misunderstood?

>>712940094 (OP)

>>712941489
Jane was pregnant for like a week tops.

>>712949960
>Russian
Deserved

>>712943087
I'm replaying them with the remastered collection.

>>712949960
the russian kid who literally backstabs and shoots the group?

>>712940442
>>712940659

>>712949960
Honestly he's understandable, I'd want to fuck over the people who killed my friends and sister as well. But he goes against the Clementine and her people so he can get fucked.

>>712941489
She kills herself either way.
Kenny just made it happen faster.

>>712950081
It's insane or in almost all the S2 ending, it has Clem mostly safe (except in the "alone in the wild ending) for at least a year or more, but in the Jane ending it's like less than 6 month after the event. at least in Kenny's ending it was plenty of time after and he died trying to protect her from walkers

>>712950168
>Mercy killed the girl on the street
>Didn't drop Ben
>Still got the bro ending
Kenny should have called Lee his urban before sacrificing himself to mercy kill Ben.

>>712941045
>>712941070
When the group in the 2nd season was captured and were being transported in the back of a truck to Carver's place Kenny wanted to jump out and start punching people. He was wrong there.
That's also literally the only time in the entire franchise where he was in the wrong. He was right about literally everything else every single time.

>>712950168
>Drop Ben 2 points
Based

>Kenny was originally planned to be the antagonist character for the second season. Gavin Hammon revealed this during his OMG!Con 2015 Q&A Panel alongside Melissa Hutchinson. He said that Kenny was supposed to be the leader of the community Luke and the cabin survivors fled from, but this idea was scrapped in favor of creating an antagonist in Carver.
>Gavin Hammon revealed in an AMA, that Kenny's original season 3 death involved him walking into a lake while singing a song, that he had to come up with, and drowning himself
funny how they almost ruined this character multiple times but still managed to not to (his death in S3 was frustrating but at least it was pretty heroic and in-character)

>>712950081
I hate that no one mentions how selfish Jane's suicide method was. She chose to hang herself. Not shoot herself in the head, but hang herself.
She did so knowingly in a world currently experiencing a zombie apocalypse and she knew damn well that if she hanged herself she would turn into a zombie.

The rope could have snapped after she died and when Clementine came back and opened the door ZombieJane would have killed her and AJ.
She could have at least had the decency to shoot herself in the fucking head if she was going to kill herself.

Kenny was right about literally everything.

>>712940378
Reddit speech

Why was Ben so fucking worthless

>>712950737
Ben was a 17 years old teenager at the start of the outbreak and a very awkward and insecure one. And he lost everyone he was close to. It's understandable he's acting erratically.

>>712950737
How old is he anyways?

>>712950384
Hey, at least he fucking tried to be helpful and wasn't actively malicious or all that annoying. This puts him leagues above nearly all of the season 2 group save for Pete and Luke. Also Kenny gets a much better closure with Ben around.
>Brie
Fuck that whore bitch and her cancer patients.

>>712949439
>One of Clementine's potential love interests is a literal female version of Kenny

>>712940378

>>712950891
Carlos and his daughter was sad but desu I understand where he was at, even if it was clearly wrong, the world wasn't going to be fixed in the near future, he was way too hopeful.
... though I don't remember, did he wanted to shelter his daughter from the nightmare, or did she legit had some mental issues? I haven't played the game in a decade

>>712951602
I think she was autistic. Just really not fit for a zombie apocalypse.

>>712949960
>You can take his side at every possible opportunity
>You can side against Kenny every single time
>You can agree with Bonnie and Mike to abandon everyone including a newborn baby with no supplies just to get away from Kenny
>He still shoots you
Fuck this little commie crippy boy faggot, I hope he chokes on Mike's cock

>>712951924
It was autism?
... Many anons are in trouble in any future apocalypse then

To me he was a retard who died in Season 1 because the other seasons don't exist.

>>712951997
She definitely had some kind of anxiety disorder, but I also always pegged her as an autist. It could be that her childish behavior is just a result of being super sheltered, but I don't know if that excuse really holds water, especially with her having experience in Carver's compound, he certainly didn't infantilize her the way Carlos did.

>>712950610
Jane was a valid coward who would let everyone down for her own goals. Everything she ever did was purely for self satisfaction, for selfishness. She never wanted to try, to survive. She acted like an unthinking whore, which is pretty accurate for a woman I guess.

>>712943087
The original games are better. There are small graphical bugs/changes. But ultimately if you can get both, get both. The definitive edition has a lot of cool concept art and model viewers.

Jane is just the pick axe girl from S1 but less cool

>>712947929
>>712949349
He showed up at another settlement in 400 Days and then [s]abandoned those guys, including the cancer survivors in the group.[/s]

He was nothing but a scumbag. FUCK Vernon.

>>712952391
*Graphical bugs/changes in the definitive edition

>>712950737
The majority of players would have been just as bad if not worse than him.

>>712947929
>>712949349
He showed up at another settlement in 400 Days and then abandoned those guys, including the cancer survivors.

He was nothing but a scumbag. FUCK Vernon.

>>712950891
The cabin group's redeeming quality is that they were legitimately a family, a dysfunctional one but they cared about each other and wouldn't backstab the group, they even had a proper system in place to talk and take decisions, problem is that once their most competent member dies they spiral out of control. Compare that to the motel group who has very competent individuals but the constant clashes between the strong personalities of Kenny and Lily brought their downfall, since the constant tension was on of the reasons Ben never opened up to them and made a deal with the bandits, not excusing Ben, he is a fuck up but the group didn't help.

>>712950510
>>Gavin Hammon revealed in an AMA, that Kenny's original season 3 death involved him walking into a lake while singing a song, that he had to come up with, and drowning himself
I thought this was gonna be his death if Clem and AJ stayed at Wellington in Season 2? On one hand it sounds kind of kino, but on the other Kenny killing himself is pretty OOC.

I haven't played S3 since it released, but I remember finding David very pathetic but I also couldn't dislike him, I just found him sad. later I read that most people hated him.
I forgot most of the season, I wonder if my opinion would be different now, it's being almost 9 years after all

>>712949960
His actions are almost completely justifiable but I still hate him because he is the enemy (because of Jane)

>>712952813
Kenny potentially killing himself could work, but doing so for basically no reason when it seems like he's found the peaceful life he's wanted with his new family seems very off. He'd have to go through even more shit before that happened, unless they really did just want us to believe that after season 2 Kenny actually just went crazy, despite all evidence to the contrary.

>>712947929
*Dies off-screen like a bitch*

Why was she a cunt?

Larry did nothing wrong

>>712950737
In fairness giving the pain meds to the walmart gang actually did buy the motel group the time they needed to get the RV fixed, he was right about not standing a chance against a large group of people who's base already came with a bunch of guns.

>>712953413
because her father is a dick

>>712953413
Apple didn't fall far from the tree.

How does Kenny die in s3? I stopped after 2

>>712952693
>man
He was just a boy

>>712953517
>Larry did nothing wr-ACK!

>>712954163
True, feel like a lot of people forget that Ben was just a teenager. Honestly could never hate him even if he was constantly fucking up.

>>712954134
If he walks off into the wilderness and you stay in the town, you don't get to see how/if he dies. If you stay with Kenny at the end, he's teaching Clem how to drive, but they get into an accident where he breaks his legs and gets eaten by zombies while telling Clem and AJ to save themselves. It's pretty lame, but at least it doesn't assassinate his character.

>>712940094 (OP)
There's a sequel comic where Clem names her prosthetic leg Kenny, which I found funny because even an SJW comic admitted he was the better option

>>712954284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3X9Wj7xvWg
This part was really great too bad he screamed alerting the zeds

>>712954405
the sequel comics are said not canon to the games I believe, they were pretty badly received

>>712941005
You're coping hard. Selfishness failed him as it will you.

I kinda jumped ship after 2

How does the series ends anyways?

>>712954513
S3 is eh, S4 actually is pretty good
Clem get a pretty good ending too.

>yfw

>>712955107
I remember losing my shit when I saw him back then, the hype between the episodes was huge. This truly was a different era
Telltale really fumbled their ass by picking franchises that were too big for them to handle the cost. They had it all.

>>712949550
Wasn't this guy originally supposed to be pedo-sexual towards Clem?

>>712955107
I won't lie, I basedjaked.

I actually kinda liked S3 Javier was a fun MC
I honestly didn't like S4, especially the ending and god i hated that little nig nig so much

>>712955486
Pretty sure this was a fake rumor started by an insane fan that just somehow got big, just like the Carver shit.

>>712955486
No, you're thinking of Troy, one of Carvers men. You can hear Clem screaming here in the original theme for episode 3 where the molestation would presumably have occurred. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwz-3kQEA-w&ab_channel=Tomathan

>>712955619
That was a fake rumor, Troy also was originally supposed to be Carver. But they changed the character due to the voice actor

>>712955902
>That was a fake rumor
Source?

>>712956297
I think it was the voice actor who confirmed it? or a staff of the game.

>>712955619
>even the devs knew how molestable season 2 clem was
based

>help or don't help Sarah prune the greenhouse
>Carver still kills the jeet anyways
lmao

>>712956572
He just wanted an excuse to get rid of the stinky fuck.

>>712956547
Season 2 Clem still haunts my dreams.

>>712955553
Javi's QTE fail death scenes were funny as hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipCfHYNesEQ

>>712953413
>>>712950081
Lilly was very sweet and a decent woman when you first meet her, her Father was a dickhead to everyone because he cared about his daughter and wanted everyone else to know that he is only living for Her sake.

I wish Telltale didn't do her so dirty.

>>712953517
Based. He might of been a dickhead on the outside but at his core he was a decent guy. You gotta be a hardass to live in a hardass world.

>>712940094 (OP)
Black mutt protagonist white man evil bad because proto DEI

>>712955107
>hug kenny

>>712954513
Clementine has been on the road raising AJ, the baby that was born during S2, she finds a boarding school hidden innawoods where a bunch of teens have been hidding trying to survive, turns out the school it's not so hidden and a milita has been taking kids from there to turn them into child soldiers and become cannon fodder for their war. Clem says fuck that and tries to fight back but some of her new friends are captured so she goes to rescue them, they plant a bomb on their boat and kill most of the raiders and the little nigga AJ has the option to unload a clip on their leader's face. Their friends are saved but shit goes south during their way back to school and Clem gets bit on her leg, she tells AJ to kill her to not turn but he can't do it and it cuts to black.

Turns out AJ just cut off Clementine's leg and that stopped the infection from spreading, now she's missing a foot and walks with crutches but she and AJ live safe on the hidden school and she pretty much became the leader of the place.

>>712940094 (OP)
He is overrated. Not sure why /v/ glazes him so hard.
He is quick to turn on you if you don't lick his nutsack for every single story choice.
He relies on a little girl to lead the group in 2 and spergs out if you mess up.

I never played any of them after 2

>>712955553
javi was the best part of season 3, shame about his family and the retards he befriended
season 4 would've been better if aj got bit instead of clementine, her whole life has been non stop tragedy since the first game, even if they asspulled a way for aj to live it would've been better than just doing lee's death again

>>712958190
>every single story choice
Certain choices give more "points" with Kenny that dictate whether or not he comes with you to find Clem at the end of the season. From the choices that give the most points to the least points:
>if you helped kill Larry in the meat locker
>if you saved Duck
>if you sided with Kenny in the pharmacy against Larry
>if you dropped Ben
>if you decided to steal from the car

S3 did something similar in deciding whether or not Clem goes with Javi at the end.

>>712950363
>greentext
so fucking true, literally proves siding with kenny in the end was the correct choice
why the fuck didn't jane just tell kenny on the spot? for fucks sake why does she want to clem to be on her side when it's evident from when you first meet and till the end, jane is still a lone wolf type character, she fucking hates everyone, literally not a leader figure at all, and her suicide just reinforces that characteristic
if jane had brains she should have said "sorry kenny and clem but I think going north is a deadend, so I'm leaving bye"

>>712959091
because jane is psychotic and desperately wants to use clementine as a replacement for her sister that she let die
she probably blows her brains out 10 minutes later if you left her after killing kenny
meanwhile kenny also sees clementine and aj as replacement for his family, he also tries to think about what's best for them, which includes leaving them at wellington if it means they have a better chance at living

>>712957145
stop

>>712940442
Sensitive yes. Disloyal nah. He's got your back when it counts if you aren't a total asshat to him.

>>712958680
S3 is weird because it all depends on what you choose during the flashbacks, not how you treat Clem.

>>712960016
She's the one who rushes into my mind literally every other day. I'm not even joking, I played season 2 when I was just a few years older than Clem and she had a grip on my heart like no other.

Have mercy on me.

>>712953517
let's be honest, imagine you're in the apocolypse, for all you know you could be some of the last people on earth, and then a fucking black man shows up who is a convicted felon
>>712954235
would a saltlick really crush your skull?

>>712958073
why cutting her leg worked but lee cutting his own arm didn't work?
feels kind of unnecessary but i guess that is a good ending.

>divisive
Only with retarded glass eaters. Anyone who played the first two games realizes Kenny was 100% correc.t

>>712957949
Lilly got shafted bad, bro. She went from level-headed soldier type to "unhinged Saturday morning cartoon villain" real quick. I get the trauma angle with her dad and all, but Telltale just tossed her into the crazy bin for cheap drama. The OG group dynamic with her, Kenny, and Lee was peak tension because they all had believable motives. By the time she shows up again, she might as well have been twirling a mustache.

Honestly, I wouldn't even be mad if they gave her a redemption arc, just not the half-baked one we got. She deserved better than getting written like a discount David Cage character.

>>712962496
Cutting off a limb works but it has to be done immediately, like the pajeet from S2. With Lee it didn't work because he waited too much time and he passed out from the infection when he can choose to cut it, supposedly with Clem it only was like 15 minutes since she got bit until her leg was cut.

>>712962424
>would a saltlick really crush your skull?
there's 50 pound ones

>>712940094 (OP)
KENNY = MALE KAREN

Kenny is loved because he's one of the most human characters. And that's also why he's disliked.

>>712962002
Just don't shoot up a school and you are golden.
Can't blame you, if I played these games while growing up, I probably would have felt the same

>>712940094 (OP)
Because the metric/points system which secures his loyalty is broken throughout the whole game in season 1 that culminates in Around Every Corner that he won't come with you. You're not even allowed the SLIGHTEST disagreement. You have to agree with him on everything and it makes no sense. Not to mention there are some stupid things that are not obvious that can actually take points away from you if you chose wrong. I remember agreeing with him on all of the big and hard decisions but then disagreed one on something that didn't even matter and he was all like: you weren't always there for me lee! except i was on everything that mattered.

So i can't even imagine what it's like to expect Kenny's loyalty if i had sided against him on important stuff like Larry.

>>712964802
I'm not as deranged as that guy, don't worry.

She doesn't want me to hurt anyone, just to love her.

Like for example you think Kenny would be eternally loyal to you because you looked out for Duck, made sure he was eating food and his family was well looked after. But lets say you change your opinion on Kenny's behavior when you reach the city area of Savannah. That's a scenario i imagine kenny would not care about. Loyalty when it really mattered. The points and deductions are stupid.

>>712965651
Yeah I agree, the Kenny point system should be rebalanced. From what I remember the 3 biggest ones are saving Duck at the start, killing Larry and killing Ben, but just siding against him during the meat locker makes him hold the grudge in the next episode and acts pissy, and all the other actions that you do for his family are not enough.

>hang on, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to kill larry. let's make sure he's dead or alive first. here, let me try cpr
>WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT????!!! HOW FUCKING DARE YOU LEE, YOU'RE WORTHLESS. YOU'RE KILLING US, THATS WHAT YOU'RE DOING!! BY NOT SMASHING LARRYS HEAD IN RIGHT THIS SECOND YOU'RE MURDERING ME AND MY ENTIRE FAMILY
i still like kenny but some of the choices could've been done better

>>712966552
Yeah I get the pressure but Kenny could've easily stood over Larry with the salt lick while Lily and Lee tried CPR. There isn't a single drawback to that plan, but nooo he had to rush into and destroy his relations with Lily.

Honestly up to that point I sided more often than Kenny. Unfortunately they wrote her into an insane psycho after.

>>712967201
*With Lily more often. No clue what's up with me today.

>>712963245
>with Clem it only was like 15 minutes
They limped thru forest until sun was down
Axe was fully covered in zombie blood
It was simply "feels good" ending without any reason

>>712966552
I understood the complete severity of that situation and i don't know why everyone didn't just instantly decide to kill Larry. I expected his daughter Lilly to do something as rotten as she did later on with the RV anyway. I didn't trust her for a second. Why did anyone trust them? they were just waiting for their opportune moment to backstab the entire group and Kenny was never too paranoid about that.

>>712967201
>Kenny could've easily stood over Larry with the salt lick while Lily and Lee tried CPR
exactly. the situation was made too black and white
>>712967320
you're seeing it as "do i trust kenny or lilly more" rather than "should i kill this man or not"
the game wants you to think of it as the former, but it should've been something different. if that situation were real life most people wouldn't be so quick to kill

>>712967224
>They limped thru forest until sun was down
Apparently the moment when Clem gets bit while climbing the rock, it was already the start of the morning, you can see how the sky has some sunlight by that point, they just walked a few feet and saw James' barn.
>Axe was fully covered in zombie blood
Legit slip up, one that would have been so easy to avoid by just cleaning that thing

>>712967613
If you liked Lilly more you'd be hesitant to kill Larry. Just like you would be hesitant about instantly killing Duck if you liked Kenny. I saw it as the matter of: we've all been herded into in a small room (under captivity) and all it could take is a few seconds for him to reanimate and bite someone and we might not the appropriate weapons to defend ourselves with. Getting caught by surprise is far more dangerous and the risk is not worth it. If the circumstances were different and we weren't locked in that room, then sure I'd be hesitant to kill. But if you can't make tough decisions like that quickly then you'd be dead less than a week in an outbreak.

>>712960124
you mean he's got your back only if you totally favors him and his dumb family

I can just feel it in my bones, they are gonna necromance the series at some point and make a new game

>>712967945
And what's more is that Larry is a pretty big guy in regards to physique. he's not exactly buff, but has enough body mass to cause problems, not to mention he is taller than both Lee and Kenny (making it easier to swing and miss his head). So lets say the worst case scenario happens sooner than everyone expected. You're stuck in a room with no weapons with this guy big enough to take down both Lee and Kenny down just by lunging at both of them, they'd collapse under his weight. The safer option was always killing Larry. I believe it was only logical rather than whether i should have even trusted his daughter to inevitably do what she did.

>>712968631
none of them are nearly as good as season 1. wouldn't mind if it stayed dead

>>712968631
>Season 2 remake that goes with the darker tone and story they originally planned
I'd play it honestly.

probably the most realistic character Telltale ever made

>>712968938
It had a decent ending all things considered. Most of the problems from the other seasons come down to the fact that the original writers were fired and the constant rewrites that were made as they went going along, plus budget and the worst upper management possible. And it all culminated in Telltale going belly up in the middle of the final game

>play through S1 with Kenny as my best bro
>play through S2 siding with Kenny and leaving the compound behind to journey on with him
>think to myself “man they really railroad the fuck out of you, they’ll probably kill Kenny off two seconds into S3 so they don’t have to account for him being around”
>never play another TWD game
>find out years later that’s exactly what happens in S3

Glad Telltale went under, the lazy fucks. At least I got the perfect story arc by only playing the first two seasons

>>712940094 (OP)
Because he's a white male and people don't want to ever believe the white guy is in the right (he always was)

>>712969867
The whole point of Kenny in S2 was that you have to let the past go. Siding with him only complicates things and makes his death 'sadder' in S3, when he should've been killed by Clem in S2.

That being said they totally fucked it up by season 3 yeah

>>712969985
He wasn't right. The game makes a big point of that in episode 5, he's just making shit up as he goes.

>>712971316
>he's just making shit up as he goes.
And that shit always turns out to be right, so? He always was

>>712970840
>he should've been murdered by Clem in cold blood because of themes and such

>>712972127
He should've been murdered by Clem because he lost his mind and started making dumbshit decisions. Plus once she does kill him he realizes how selfish he was being and apologizes to his last remaining friend, giving him the perfect ending

But yeah nah he deserved to die in a car crash .5 seconds into season 3 you're right

>>712972195
>he lost his mind and starte making dumbshit decisions
And every decision he made was still better than whatever the "sane" people around him were doing, imagine that

>>712972392
you stand alone on this, anon. you know it, i know it, everybody knows it.

>>712972436
Do you actually think the other people were doing sane stuff?
>Yeah let's trust the russian guy who hates us, let's also give him a gun
>Let me leave this baby over here in the snow just to prove a point

You're delusional

>>712972127
Nah, he shouldn't have been murdered "because themes," but let's not pretend Kenny was some noble hero taking the high road either. By the time S2 wraps up, man's running on grief, paranoia, and blind rage like it's jet fuel. Clem being forced into that final decision was rough, but it's also the culmination of literally everything Kenny had let fester since Season 1. He was a broken man clinging to the idea of family so hard he couldn't tell he was becoming the same kind of monster he hated. Letting him go was mercy.

>>712972787
And surprise surprise, if you don't kill him he ends up being right, he then either finds a new life or kills himself while knowing Clem is safe (too bad S3 fucks that up but Kenny doesn't know it happened) or dies knowing he did his best to protect Clem and the baby while also having a chance to tell them goodbye and die in good terms.
No, killing him in S2 is NOT his best outcome, he can still use his life to keep Clem safe and he does just that while being happy about it.

>>712972436
>Kenny
"Come on, let's just kill this little ruskie and get back to going through that town like we talked about at the end of last episode. That thing we all agreed was a good idea, remember? That'll help us stock up on our trip to the last remaining civilization that we know of."
>Luke and co.
"No Kenny, we need to put all of our implicit trust into this ESL cripple fuck and follow everything he says down to the point where he has us crossing a frozen lake. I know we just killed all of his friends and he has a clear axe to grind with us and he's only saying any of this to save his own skin, but we just have to trust him, OK?"
>Jane
"Alright here's what I'm going to do to prove that Kenny is losing it. First I'm going to pretend to leave the baby for dead in the snow by basically leaving it for dead in a freezing cold car. Hopefully the baby only starts crying after we have our fight or else this whole jig is up. Hopefully it also starts crying soon after our fight so we can go save it in time before it freezes to death. Then I'm going to tip Clementine off that some shit's about to go down, completely dropping my facade of guilt and anguish. I'll also tell her not to get involved, surely this won't go poorly. Ah shit, Kenny's going to kill me, this is what I get for trying to overpower a grown man. No need to worry, I know Clementine's got my back, all I did was imply the baby's death was intentional and tell her not to interfere no matter what happened. This is how I'll get Clementine to become my perfect little imouto forever and ever, and I'll finally make up for killing my last sister. Surely this time will go better, right Clem? ...Clem?

>>712940094 (OP)
>noooo Kenny bad
These are the people in the 2nd season finale that side with a fucking women who pretended to kill a baby as a 'GOTCHA' moment.

Am I the only one who went out of his way to make Lee take Ben under his wing and help him out?

I was hoping he would have an arc where he would man up and be a reliable right hand man or buddy, but...

>>712973245
Ben was an idiot but I also feel bad for him, Clem had the "luck" of being too young to completely understand what was going on so with Lee's help she grew up and matured in a ruined world, Ben unfortunately was old enough to understand what was happening but also still too young, if he didn't die in S1 he might've had the chance to mature but the world just really wanted him dead

>>712973245
>>712973456
Ben was just a kid. Teenager or not, he was still an awkward band kid who would 100% laugh at school shooter jokes in 2016 and post frogs on this website (but never actually say any slurs). He deserved to at the least call out Kenny. I just wish he would have had a bigger redemption arc because if he lives, all he manages to do is separate Kenny in the end

>>712973245
I have this fucking saved from the original S1 threads. Ben was shit. End of rine.

>>712973657
Hold on

Does Ben have the second highest human kill count behind Lee?

>>712962496
i think the implication with lee's arm is that he dies of blood loss instead of the bite
iirc he just looks pale at the end when his arm is off rather than the sickly yellow if you leave it
how aj managed to properly tie clementine's leg better than a group of adults with lee's arm is beyond me though, maybe it was because clementine had time to rest instead of lee's constant moving

I don't hate Ben.

Loving tantric sex with Carley (we're looking to repopulate)

>>712974276
she was such a snowbunny

>>712974276
Doug....

>>712973657
I mean that's how i always saw it too. I could not sympathize after too many screw ups. He's 'just a kid' does not cut it with his consistent irresponsibility. Imo add Charles to Ben's death list just because Ben left Clem for dead upon arriving in Savannah.

>>712974214
I don't hate him but he's a fuck up

>>712940094 (OP)
He's a needy bitch. My first ever playthrough I had him back me fully in Savannah despite disagreeing with him over crushing the asshole's head but I was never able to recreate this again while doing a lot of shit for Kenny and his family. I like Kenny but he needs to get over what happened in that shed.

>>712941012
Collection

>>712947587
choices matter

>>712973657
You know that the onus of those deaths isn't fully on Ben. Lilly should have cooled her trigger finger, Kenny should have payed closer attention to his wife, Charles didn't have to play the hero and get himself in a tight spot, Brie could have stayed behind the ultra risky break in to get boat parts, and not stood so close to the fucking walker door.

Should I get the originals or the Definitive Series?

>>712940760
and he wasn't even wrong in assuming lee was a violent criminal

>>712976510
The definitive is nice because it saves your progress across the games, your choices not mattering is well known at this point but it's still nice to have them all in one package where those details that do matter are saved. Just turn off the graphic black filter for a closer look to the ogs.

>>712976510
The definitive ruins a bunch of the effects and graphics especially in season 1 and 2 (No it's not just the fucking BLACK edition mode they both do it)

If you've not played the original first go with those

>>712947929
>fucks over a group of healthy people AND A CHILD to make some people who are guaranteed to die anyway happy for a little while
what a fucking subhuman

>>712940094 (OP)
Kenny is right wing. Jane is left wing.
Kenny wants to protect his family. Jane killed herself with a baby. It doesn't need more explanation than that.

>>712969058
Fuck yes, give me a darker route. Give me a fucking Carver team-up route

>>712976510
The originals. The definitive edition adds these ugly comic book edges to all the characters and makes their eyes all chalky.

>>712976947
>The definitive ruins a bunch of the effects and graphics
Are there mods that fix this?

alternate season 3 where she's fully indoctrinated into the new frontier and becomes a child soldier for the community

>>712952693
I'd just kms assuming I'm not already zombiefied myself, which is fine enough too but I'd just rather not get eaten as I die

>>712972436
Fuck you nigga it's ride or die

>>712948615
Better then 2 and much better then 3. While it has issues, it holds up surprisingly well considering it literally had to be rebooted mid way into development. It still has some of the problems season 2 and 3 have but it at least feels like it has a decent If contrived ending.

>>712941489
it was self inflicted.

>>712964005
the only people who dislikes Kenny are subhumans and women.

>>712941489
Jane was a constant destabilizing force who should have been shot and eaten forever ago. I cannot think of anything I would want less in my post-apocalyptic camp than a stupid, deceitful harpy woman.