Is Silent Hill Downpour better than Homecoming?

>>712946781 (OP)
Yeah

>>712947002
Why did people hate both of them

>>712946781 (OP)
Homecoming is the only good game in the series and it's still a jank pile of shit.

In theory, yes. It's the best idea the series has had since 3. In execution though? Fuck no.

is 4 essentially the final game in the franchise? or did the original team make another game? looks like every other game was made by different devs.

>>712947537
What’s so bad about it?

>>712946781 (OP)
>Is Silent Hill Downpour better than Homecoming?
Fuck no.
Homocoming was bad, but Downpoor was TERRIBLE.
It is THE absolutely worst main-line Silent Hill game ever made.

>>712947121
Both have two things in common:
Jewnami whored the IP to random, literal who Westoid studios, after kicking Team Silent out.
Both teams essentially tried to pull the "RE4" on the franchise, inspired by the explosive popularity of the more action-oriented nu-horror games (and then even Demon's Souls). Both were also produced and directed by this massive yank egohead known as Tomm Hulett, who's famous for having hot takes against all the TS' games, all while self proclaiming to be THE "Walking Talking SH Bible (tm)".

Now, as an actual oldass SH-fag, who played ALL the games as they came out (and still owns all of them physically), here's my short lists of critique for both:

>Homocoming:

-UFO ending is OFFICIAL and can be acquired on your first playthrough!
-Everything's copypaste from SH Movie: Pyramid head, titty-nurses, the "burning" otherworld-shift, the gasmasked cultists...
-Human cultist enemies. With guns!
-That fucking quick-heal button + clunky circle-menu... I wasted tons of supplies because of that
-Saw and Hostel references/influences
-That slide-panel puzzle
-Empty world, pointless running
-Can't-see-shit-capt'n, because the flashlight sucks + the image's coated in a dozen screen filters.
-Knife's The most powerful weapon: hit-hit-hit-StrongHit-dodge -combo stuns every foe!

>Downpoor:
-No Akira's soundtracks
-The MC's nonstop yapping is annoying
-Indicators, flashing items, and tips, everywhere!
-The chase scenes are annoying.
-Extra terrible, limited enemy designs
-Most side characters are literal 1-off jokes that come & go.
-The environments are all boring and filled withy copypasted ROOMS.
-"Side missions" are POINTLESS, as you lose your gear TWICE, and they don't affect the ending either!
-TERRIBLE combat.
-UT3 engine bugs and annoyances
-QTEs.

>>712950086
Breakdown some of the other games like the room etc

>>712948282
>is 4 essentially the final game in the franchise?
Yes it is.

>or did the original team make another game?
No. Kocknami disbanded Team-Silent right after SH4, back in 2005.
They then kept the SH's IP as a hostage and started giving it to any and all dev teams that promised to make a new game for free.

So it's essentially the same shit Jewnami pulled on Kojima Productions a decade later, expect we only had to suffer of one (1) sub-par cashgrab game afterwards (Survive).
The Jap mobsters are now trying to whitewash history and reboot both franchises, but the OG fans haven't forgotten the great #FuckKonami movement.

I always instruct people to grab the original SH1-4 for PC, while they're still easily available and in their "abandonware" state. Anyone hoping for an official "HD remaster" pack should look up what happened last time, back in 2010.

SH PC Guide pic + Pastebin links, dozo:

https://pastebin.com/uf5XhyXz

Is book of memories good?

>>712950248
>Breakdown some of the other games like the room etc
SH1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > SM > Play Novel > > > SH2-Demake > HC > 0 > DP > BoM.

SH1 is my all time favorite, with all around the best package.

-Largest, most interesting and varied town sections.
-Best pacing out of the whole series; the starting sections of 2-3 really grind people's gears.
-Great, varied major locations (School, hospital, sewers...)
-Better enemy and boss variation, all of 'em are fairly dangerous
-Nicely balanced difficulty, both action & puzzles.
-Scary as fuck, full of mindfuck parts as well
-Great visual design, full of small details.
-Awesome soundtrack and audiowork in general.
-The most replay value thanks to all the optional / missable areas, "side quests", and the more strict requirements for different endings.

SH2 was one of THE PS2 flagship titles, and it has a huge place in my heart.
It's a tad overrated, but still a magnificent ride to this day. I wouldn't start it without beating SH1 first, as it kinda sets up many "expectations" for the journey, unironically aiding the sequel's experience.

3 is peak PS2 game when it comes to visuals, animation and acting.
It looks and sounds gorgeous, not that the past two would've ever been ugly exactly.
It's a bit too linear for my taste though, with the least endings and all that, but at the same time it can be the most challenging of the three, and definitely amped up the nightmare fuel vibes.
Up to you whether its ties and continuation from the OG game were needed, but people seem to like Heather.

4 was the OG "black horse". It was rushed by the publisher, on top of being TS' most experimental title from the get-go.
Contrary to the ANCIENT meme, it was ALWAYS meant to be an actual Silent Hill game, confirmed by TS already 2 decades ago. They just never wanted to repeat neither content nor a formula, over and over again.
I have vivid memories of greatly enjoying 4. Definitely one of the spookiest games ever made. It's just half-baked.

>>712950646
>Is book of memories good?
FUCK. NO.

It is embarrassing as hell Diablo clone.
I am not shitting you.

It's also Tomm Hulett's little private showcase of skill and passion.

>>712950950
why did the silent hill franchise get raped so hard?

>>712950881
cont:

SH 0rigins = the OG "The Movie - The game" slop, and a lore-butchering "prequel game".

-As an intended prequel to SH1, it does plenty of stupid mistakes with the story, and complicates things WE ALREADY KNEW.
-The "mirror world" gimmick... goes against the original game's logic and lore, and takes away all tension the "Otherworld" shifts used to have.
-SH1 characters that appear don't look like they did, nor behave like they should. Nor do they really have any point.
-Gameplay is clunky as fuck; mixture of 2D and 3D control styles, character runs out of breath quickly, QTE enemy encounters, breaking weapons BUT unlimited supply of them with unlimited inventory!
-The sub-plot is cheesy and predictable as well, and copypaste of SH2.
-Speaking of SH2 copypaste, there's a very lame PH ripoff that appears TWICE.
-Signs of The Movie's influences already visible ("PH", Alessa's scenes ...)
-Looks ugly, even if it was a PSP game.

... Yes, in case you haven't realized, the SH film is essentially a slur to any OG SH-fag.
It's terrible, do not let anyone claim otherwise.

Now, somewhere in-between all these big home console SH games, we got the Wii's "Shattered Memories".
The game got tons of unnecessary flak even before it was released. I'm guilty of participating in this as well, no less thanks to my love towards the OG SH1.
However, the moment you realize that it is NOT a "remake" of the original SH, but it's very own entity, that merely utilizes *your* own memories and expectations "against" you, the game actually becomes a fascinating, atmospheric experience.

Cons: Not really scary and puzzles are poor.
It's still a chill (no pun intended), atmospheric "Urban explorer" ride, with some underrated as fuck Akira Yamaoka tunes to vibe to.
It's also great for replays + to watch your friends to play, as the experience can vary greatly from person to person. I played it 5 times, and watched 2 other people play it later, and STILL witnessed new content!

>>712951375
did you like any of the movies?

>>712951004
>why did the silent hill franchise get raped so hard?
The tl;dr:

Konami ALWAYS hated Team-Silent, and considered them to be a bunch of annoying "B-team" drones, tasked originally with one clear goal:
Make a quick, cheap RE-clone, to milk on the survival horror boom.
Fortunately for us, said team ended up being a group of artistic visionaries, who wanted to push the envelope whenever possible. And it worked out for them.

Unfortunately, the games' touchy, difficult to portray topics, such as merging death with sexuality (latter which was especially extra PROBLEMATIC in the States, 25 year ago) and having evil religious nutcases causing the apocalypse to happen, were not as easy to market towards the already growing "wider audiences (tm)" that even RE went after.
Resi's world allowed cool military doods with big guns go and blast various monsters, ranging from zombified things to Kaiju-level mutants, but SH demanded ... taking things slow. Stopping and thinking WTF is going on. Feeling emotions that were not always "fun" or "exciting".

Towards the end of the 00s, the early signs of Konami literally wanting to LEAVE the gaming industry were already showing. The mobile gaming boom that started around 2008 did not help their casual-bucks fever, but the boomer execs also had other two BIG businesses going in their home country: insurance sales, and gambling.
This was ultimately why they first tampered with the MGS5's development, demanding a mid-project "proof of concept" that ended splitting the game into two (GZ and TPP), and then eventually sacking Kojima and his team altogether + releasing an unfinished beta version of the game.

All this, while the average Westoid "fan devs" were these superficial as fuck ADHD people who went on about how "We totally understand what SH is all about, dude!!", only to quickly follow it with "It's SH! It's NOT MEANT TO MAKE SENSE! :D".

You think I'm exaggerating? Nope - those are real quotes.

>schizo hijacks a thread with long-ass blabbering

both complete turds
better off playing jank indie clones, siren, whatever else

>>712951951
How does this always happen?

>>712951436
>did you like any of the movies?
No. I hate them.
And I went to the WORLD PREMIER in theaters to watch the OG.
I sat through the credits and all that.

Anyone shilling that shit as the "best vidya adaptation" is a moron. Period.
The first one was bad. The second one is a terrible, horrible parody.

Curiously, they are now apparently making an adaptation of the SH2 game, which honest to god looks BETTER than the fucking awful SH2 de-make we got last year.
We'll see if it ever comes out though, they've been awfully quiet about it.

>>712952038
Why were the movies such shit? They had plenty of material to make them good.

>>712952017
Video games attract lots of autists, and Japanese games especially, and even more so fan favorite dead franchises.

>>712952109
>Why were the movies such shit?
Western "Hollywood" perspective, combined with the "gotta make it the wider-audiences friendly" attitude + literal 00s blooming feminism activism.

Even if the TS' games took place in the states, just like the OG RE trilogy, they were built by a very Japanese team, before internet as we know it and international projects were really a thing. This is why their worlds took inspiration from the era's popular culture publications (books, movies, music...), but had quite "Japanese" vibe.
They also literally implemented many Jap myths, urban and traditional stuff, into the mood and lore, thus making them extra alien and creepy, especially to Westerners.
TS was also well known for NOT explaining and showing too much at once, because ruining the mystery would make the experience less frightening, and less intriguing.

The next part, "muh wider audiensh!", should be quite self-explanatory.
The large-ass movie goers (this was before Netflix and shit, mind you) wanted quick and easy to digest entertainment, not to feel mortified, sad and confused. The creators also had to somehow jam 6-8 hours of interactive game's content, into a bite-size flick of 2 hours MAX, meaning there was no room for deep symbolism and multilayered lore.

Thus, the plot was altered into what's essentially The Exorcist + Elm Street :
"Evil Christian cult burns witches, one girl is a witch, wants revenge, SH is now literal Hell / purgatory whatev!"
Yes, it's this film where this silly nu-narrative and misconception originates from.

The feminazi stuff is more or less confirmed thing as well.
The asshats behind the movie LITERALLY told the press that the idea of a loving father risking his life to find and rescue his only child and family member sounded "unrealistic and weird", in the mid-00s for fucks sake.
This is why the MC was turned into a lady... but they couldn't figure out a reason to off Sean Bean, so he's now playing a side kick who wanders around.

>>712952873
Holy shit shut the fuck up

>>712952902

>>712952902
Go back to Twatter, tranny tourist.

>>712946781 (OP)
Of course it is. Downpour is one of the better games in the series, hell it's better than the original PS1 game.

I swear people only like Homecoming because of nostalgia.

>>712953226
Everything you said is incorrect.
Homocoming is universally loathed. The "I axhully liek it! :^)" is a literal Polak Blooper meme, an attempt to whitewash for more sales (it's literally the only other SH game on Steam, ffs).

But compared to the absolute turd that was SH:DualPenetration, it feels almost like a solid game. There's nothing good to be said about that shit. And I was actually looking forward to that mess for the longest of time, as it FINALLY seemed to avoid all the nu-SH games' pitfalls of "let's do another SH2, but with RE4 gameplay!!" ... only for it to do all that, and then some, and also be a broken as fuck game.

>>712953226
Based