HOOOOOOOOME RIDING HOOOOOOOOOME

>>712952448 (OP)
one of my favorite expacs
DARKNESS and CHAOS being used for good is so kino

>>712952702
We never really used darkness, though. The light fighting McMuffin was just us with an absurd resilience to ether corruption

>>712952448 (OP)
You can never go home

>>712952448 (OP)
>Remember that we were once a good game.
Dawntrail is so bad it made me forgive even Stormblood.

>>712953039
Stormblood was good you shb secondary

>>712953039
Story Enjoyer
>>712953121
Content Enjoyer

>>712952959
>>712952702
>the echo nooo uhh hydalyns blessing...uh soul density.uh nm we won't bother going deeper.

Writing carousel is dumb.


>>712953121
Sb is dogshit you troop.

>>712953121
>Stormblood was good
loooooooool

>>712953247
>>712953320
t. didn't even care about the story until they got isekai'd

>>712953039
I didn't get the Stormblood hate but by the time I had reached it ShB was already out so I didn't get the actual experience. Some shit was boring but it didn't make me angry like Dawntrail did

I still can't fucking believe after the Lyse backlash they decided to do Lyse again but worse. Except they made he even more retarded with zero break from her disgusting misshapen furry face save for MAYBE a single level of the MSQ

>>712953247
>>712953320
Its only crime was following a great expansion like HW. Compare it to DT and you'll agree it was a good expansion on its own merits.

>>712953485
>Compare it to DT
>>Dawntrail is so bad it made me forgive even Stormblood.
Nigga.

>>712953386
Stormblood had some really good moments, and some of the best music / trials / colours in the game, but the story was so fucking dry and boring and bland. TWO deserts and Lyse Lyse Lyse, oh boy! It got me excited to see what the empire was upto because it made me hate Ala Mhiggers so much more than I did before. (Previously ambivalent)

>>712953386
Lyse is fine. Gook fish face asahi;whore yotsuuyuu; tranny zenos, screeching cunt alisaie, mhigger land and gookland was god awful boring slop also hien was crap.

>>712953847
I'm still laughing about how badly DT fucked up almost a year later.

I went into it not really expecting anything, just interested to see where they'd take things now they they supposedly wanted to wipe the slate clean. It's amazing they didn't write a boring story, they wrote one that made me angry at how bad it was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02_IvxWc7Ys&list=RD02_IvxWc7Ys&start_radio=1&ab_channel=Uvi
Imagine listening to this during a fight you actually care about and not one you're doing out of obligation. Course then it ends with SPEEN and morphs into a really terrible song that's supposed to be uplifting but sounds like ass. Then they jumpscare you with Smile again just as a final "fuck you"

The Kugane not japanese shit and ala mhigo empire plots were boring as shit. Glad they threw banri in the basement. They definitely need ti bully shame hiring though and the wetlyt afford.

>>712952448 (OP)
did they apply the lighting update to shadowbringers? I'd only come back briefly to replay the shadowbringers story stuff

>>712954106
I think the slate clean shit was to be nice to the new writers i dunno why though we saw how that worked out.they don't even mention the writers names anymore now just writer scenario of x. Lol

>>712954238
They did it to the entire game

Stormblood in a nutshell
>Lyse: "ugh, if only I could be as strong and cool and charismatic and funny and awesome as you <<Player>>, I'm just USELESS"
>Alisaie: MCU dialogue
>Zenos: "YOU ENJOY ALL THE KILLING don't you Snake?"
>Developer who came up with the swimming mechanic: "yeah it's just gonna be shit and serve no actual gameplay function but that's fine at least you can spearfish now"

>>712954106
I remember someone did the math and it was around 30-something percent of ALL MSQ tasks were some variant of "Talk to Wuk Lamat"

>>712954379
Don't forget the first person blow dart designer Chad.

>>712952448 (OP)
In hindsight this is when FF14 started to suck

All they need to do is get rid of wuk and the little lizard.

>>712954294
Imagine being Hiroi

You managed to write a story so terrible it broke a substantial amount of the game's playerbase of their sunk-cost fallacy and caused an explosion of bitching about things that they'd been putting up with that had nothing to do with the story.

>>712954457
It was a big fat meme and I don't know how this shit made it past playtesting. They must have been extremely out of time.

>>712954379
>you now remember when everyone thought Shadowbringers was gonna have climbing cause a new expansion HAD to introduce a new form of traversal

>>712954621
>how this shit made it past playtesting
Thats the problem they DON'T do any outside playtesting incase some rando leaks the entire plot 5 months early, so no one outside their corporate circlejerk can tell them how shit the story really is.

>>712954460
They put him in charge of the tailing missions in EW

>>712954352
they added it to the game but i remember there was something about how the lighting change fucks up the ambiance of a lot of the older cutscenes so they needed fixing

I miss SB so much bros

shb dumbed down the game and killed it

>>712955304
I hate Hrothgar so much it's unreal

And this was BEFORE Wuk Lamat

>>712952448 (OP)
>you will never be a fresh faced wowfugee gorging yourself on the free trail ever again

Whenever people talk about the good parts of Shadowbringers story, I never see anyone mention what I consider one of the strongest scenes: That one bit where Eulmore declares war on the Crystarium and the ragtag militia is fighting a bunch of sin eaters. Ardbert tries to ignore what's happening, because he's so jaded from all his efforts in the past, but can't help himself from springing into action to try and save some poor guy trying to comfort his dying friend. He's praying to whatever god's listening that he can have some impact on the world and let his axe hit something and it just doesn't. Those two soldier die horribly and Ardbert can't really do anything but rage and lament his uselessness.

Then you see the WoL walk over the hill with an army at their back and drive the sin eaters back.

It was so good, but I never see anyone mention it.

>>712954106
>fight boss
>main theme starts playing
>main theme is fucking dogshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXPFOX8bPq8
It's genuinely hard to listen to

>>712955538
They totally ruined the lore and the setting and have the shittiest playerbase

>>712955352
ShB only continued what Stormblood started.
>easy as shit savage raids with to this day the biggest joke of a turn yet (O1S)
>start of the skill pruning
>homogenization starts here because the new job gauges necessitate that everything revolve around building resources for a burst phase
>enmity becomes a non-factor thanks to role skills
>role skills themselves are such a garbage mechanic that they get reworked twice before the expansion even ends and to this day are still just as worthless as when they started out
But hey, I guess because UCoB exists all is forgiven - just ignore the fact that they only made it to appease the people who were mad about how braindead raiding had become for no reason.

>>712955886
It's like the entire song is the intro to the actual song or the interlude

It's like an interrupted orgasm in audio form

>Shadowbringers had triumphant music on a 40 second loop play for hours while you built a talos to tear down a floating mountain
>Endwalker had triumphant music on a 40 second loop play for hours while you followed a rabbit around and watched him eat lemons
Did DT have a similar lategame series of quests?

>>712955969
They made things simpler but I at least had shit to do unlike HW which was either savage or diadem

>>712955841
People mention both the Ardbert suffering and the wol not doing anything because of lalafeels.

Sometimes I remember Ran'jit existing and it's a jumpscare every time
God what a horrible character

>>712956083
During a countdown to bad thing by the antagonist wuk Lamat wants to learn about the dead people first so square can pad the msq and you explore the final zone.

>>712956106
Something to do being idleing in Anemos waiting for Pazuzu to spawn btw
Oh yeah that's another thing I forgot to mention in my post - Stormblood is when they started pushing relic quests WAY into the back of the expansions.
And they weren't even good since they locked you into a weird side mode that had nothing to do with the rest of the game and nobody liked it.

>>712956284
>>712956284
>pad him out the the whole quest cuz ryne and thancred get their characterization last.
>body him like every other mook after because the storyline is near the end.

Bad storyboarding. Imo

>>712955841
It's probably because it doesn't have much of an impact. Still good though. God remember when the game had conflict?

I remember thinking this expansion would be all political machinations because an entire fucking continent (or two) being entirely held together by the strength of will of a single man is a hysterically unstable political structure and 80 fucking years is a long time for resentments and subterfuge to foment

But no. The closest we get is the Mamookers throwing babies in a blender because the current leader (who is literally one of them) doesn't care enough to help them because they don't want to leave their home and move to the city

Or the three racist giants who actually tried to keep us from helping them only for a random bird to come out of nowhere so Wuk could save them and they'd stop being racist for 5 minutes, ensuring we never actually had to have a real confrontation

BUT THE FOOD THOUGH!

MEZCAL, ESE!

Stand tall, my friend
May all of the dark lost inside you find light again
In time tumbling, turning, we seek amends
Eternal winds to the land descend
Our journey will never end

>>712955304

>>712952448 (OP)

>>712956476
Political machinations fags are insufferable and media literacy dances.

>>712956284
Probably the worst character and part of ShB
>"HE'S JUST TOO STRONG"
>"Yeah it's time for you to beat him now because we're out of things for him to do so beat him and he'll never be mentioned again"

>>712956575
Yeah it's so much better we got to scale up to another world-ending threat in half an expansion. I'm not big into intrigue but it would have been a very easy way to have high stakes without needing to invent some new cataclysm

>>712956348
>being idleing in Anemos waiting for Pazuzu to spawn btw
That's a you problem

>>712952959
>We never really used darkness, though.
Darkness is activity and you spend all of ShB spurring the people of the First into fighting for their lives again instead of giving up. Compared to on the Source where you're spreading light by instead allowing people to live in peace instead of constantly fighting.

>>712953121
>>712953247
>>712953320
the only thing that flopped in sb was the story. it had the best content of any expansion and it isn't even close. best 8 mans and 24 mans. also the jobs were at their apex unless you were a sch. best balance between complexity and streamlining before everything went downhill and full retard with 0 remaining job identity

the game got so dumbed down after shb hit it was just eternally fucked

>>712955304
I'm conflicted on SB. On the one hand, both the raids and the trials were incredible. On the other hand, all of Ala Mhigo is awful and Eureka was dogshit.

>>712956442
Pretty sure the original plan was to have a Eulmore dungeon where you fight him and the Jester girls but they realized too late that they were already running up on their quota of leveling dungeons for the expansion.
No way they made those assets for underground Eulmore in the trailer only to do nothing with them until 5.4

>>712956748
Slopblood

>>712956750
Eureka was great, you just hate socializing, back then the playerbase was also a lot less insane

>>712956747
(Headcanon)
The entire MSQ is about wrangling the three companies and gyr abania and the smelly steppe people into pulling up their bootstraps and fighting
HW is the only exception

>>712956750
Ivalice was dogshit as well.

>ruins your franchise due to simply existing
IHATE YSHTOLA
I HATE YSHTAOLA

>>712956915
Sex gato.

>>712956839
I heard Eureka chat was rancid

But like, Barrens chat rancid, not modern hunt train rancid

>>712956915
Yeah well I love Y'shtola

>>712956892
>The entire MSQ is about wrangling the three companies and gyr abania and the smelly steppe people into pulling up their bootstraps and fighting
No, the whole point is that you do the fighting for them.

>>712956896
You are so fucking retarded

>>712956915
Anon, Y'shtola barely exists and that's a bad thing

>>712956954
You heard wrong. Anemos was the best time Ive had with the game and the community
Only limsa trannies hated eureka

>>712956968
matsuno slop eater.

>>712956839
No, Eureka was garbage. It's not that I "hate socializing", it's just the core gameplay (hit FATEs for days at a time) was awful.

Hey can someone remind me how many minutes the writers waited between inventing a familiar name for Wuk Lamat before making Alisaie call her that out of nowhere?

>>712957026
Eureka sucks and you're an ugly black nigger monkey cotton picking coon ooga booga where da white women at???

>>712956991
>>712956954
>>712956953
FUCK YOU IWANNA BUY THE SET, NOT GET SCALPED BY YOU GATO FUCKERS WHO WANNA PAY $500 FOR FUNNI CAT CARD

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>712957117
Holy seethe, stop projecting on me

>>712956731
No, it's a game design problem.
Why is all progress to be made on this huge grind tied behind an RNG spawn that you need to spend hours of your life preparing for only for the end result to be tied to a coinflip?
That's awful design.
I don't even hate huge grinds as long as it feels like each part of it is going towards SOMETHING, but Eureka is literally just mindlessly grinding and crossing your fingers hoping it pays off - and when it doesn't it's infuriating.
Literally the most dogshit piece of content ever released for this game.

>>712957204
I like the cat but I ain't paying for Magic shit. I'm not a teenager anymore and Magic's current state is nauseating

>>712957231
The spawn isn't RNG, it's triggered by killing enough of the trigger enemies and waiting for wind weather, and the result isn't a coinflip, if you kill him you get the item.

>>712957075
If you hate fates you are playing the wrong game desu

>>712957291
True, that's why I am currently sticking to pauper and artisan (MTGA) only. Fuck WotC and their utter destruction of every constructed format.

>>712957416
It's possible to make that type of content mildly more engaging (like Bozja actually did!)

>>712953386
Saw my wife play it recently, given current world events, it made me realize it ain't that bad, or at least on paper.
>Garlemald taking Ala Mhigo
>Treating the surviving residents like absolute shit
>NOBODY cares nor does shit about it
>BASEDberd does some insane stunt
>Forces ALL main nations to act and finally take down GarleMALD down the line
>Go east also also liberate !Asia from GarleMALD

It was a bit more rooted in reality than HW but also I guess Lyse wasn't a great character either but she wasn't nearly as bad as Wuk, at least people actually told Lyse that she was fucking stupid and learned down the line, and EVEN if the took the snake women inside the palace the game actually made her fuck up, it wasn't sugarcoated, she learned from it, if it were Wuk, everything would've gone peacefully with no issue.

>>712957372
And how many is enough? Oh you don't know? Yeah that's what I thought.
Trust me, I was in the Eureka grinding trenches long enough to know how it works - you can throw yourself at it all you want but at the end of the day unless you had the entire instance helping you out that shit spawning was in the hands of God.

>>712952448 (OP)
>Shadowbringers had the best MSQ
>But it was also the expansion that marks the game's decline
Sad!

>>712957537
They did, you probably joined late when everyone and their mother was already level 20 and had echo

>>712957560
>And how many is enough?
100

>ignore everything
>live in Deep Dungeon
Wuk Who?

>>712957670
Nigga I did that content when it was current. There was nothing engaging about Anemos and Pagos, Pyros had some cute mechanics but ultimately they didn't do anything interesting with Lost Actions. And then with Hydatos they made quite possibly the most boring map in all of XIV which is really saying something

>>712957776
Lol no it is not, who are you trying to fool?
The documentation on Eureka online is all over the place cause of how shit and enigmatic the whole thing was.
I don't think I need to tell you why mixing hours of mindless grinding with riddles on how each NM is spawned is a good idea, it just ends up with you wasting a lot of your fucking time.

What do you think Wuk Lamat would have done had even a SINGLE resident of Living Memory beg for their digital lives instead of everyone who was even aware of what being in Living Memory meant cheering us on with literally everyone else being ignorant?

What if the residents of Living Memory had been begging for death but Spleen's programming refused to let her realize it?

What if fucking CONFLICT WAS ALLOWED IN THIS MSQ BEYOND "BEAT THE BAD MAN"?

>>712958032
>good idea
bad idea

>>712957928
I still found it more engaging than bozja tho, which was just waiting and teleporting around
I fucking despised the 3 zones system as well, it made things either die too fast or take too long

>>712958032
I've solo spawned Strider plenty of times, it's 100.

>>712958296
You are aware each FATE has different requirements right? Supposedly anyway.

>see a XIV thread
>enter
>start thinking about DT
>first thought is the black gospel "smile" theme or whatever song
>cringe so hard I get an actual no meme, chill throughout my body

>>712952969
God I miss him

>Get Necromancer achievement
>"Alright, time to do more MSQ..."
>Stop playing game

>>712958149
Bozja's map layout certainly isn't winning any prizes either but CLL, DR, and the various CEs at least asked you to stay awake while doing them
Meanwhile in Eureka I have literally seen players /sit during Cassie because they're in a party and hit the boss once so they know they'll get a gold medal and a drop

>>712952448 (OP)
Every time I logged in I watched the SHB intro video. Shit gave me goosebumps. I miss the Stormblood days too of the janky jobs. God AST and SCH were so much fun back then.

Havent subbed for months cause DT is utter utter garbage. I can't believe how badly they fell from grace

>>712958525
>Get Necromancer achievement
Easiest way to do this? I'm not opposed to mods.

>>712958060
I don't know why everyones in a big rush to die

>>712958506
>black gospel "smile"
Stop repeating that delusion meant to paint people with ears as racist by a bitter and angry loser who isn't getting work anymore

It was a fucking musical. Poorly composed, poorly performed, poorly mixed, poorly placed

>>712958576
YOSHIP TOOK MY FUCKING DOTS

>>712953121
The Doma/Kugane part was good, Ala Mhigo is a mess

>>712958506
i feel so bad because the vocalist of that song is genuinely good.
she sang the genesis of aquarion OP.

>>712958578
I did it 3 years ago so I don't know how much holds up.

I just did a bunch of runs on RDM and ACN, I was using RDM to learn the last floor fights since they had the heal and then ACN for serious attempts. Then I just happen to do a really good run on RDM and got it

>Dawntrail
>Longest MSQ behind Endwalker
>Voiced Raids
>Exploration Zone
>Crafter Zone
>Hildi
>Deep Dungeon
>Variant Dungeons
>Beastmaster
And it will be considered the worst expansion

>>712956284
I still don't get why they didn't give the W to Thancred. He dies as a fucking dungeon boss and genuinely does nothing before that, neither anyone mentions he just died. Why not just have Thancred finish him off and have us fight thse two clowns at the end instead?

>>712959008
>Longest MSQ behind Endwalker
You say that like it's a good thing.

>>712956284
>tfw remembering they retconned his and the girls deaths in 5.1
they probably couldn't decide between using him in deep dungeon or the raids until the last minute

>>712958658
So you're saying it wasn't black gospel?

>>712958578
WAR, use Fihn's video guide. it's up to you to fail with him handholding you and explaining all the pitfalls.

>>712956284
That guy alone was worse than anything in sb and ew

>>712958506
just call it what it is, a wannabe Disney song

>>712959223
I have no idea why he's playing some gay semantics about music because it triggered him, sounds like a faggot.

>>712959008
Yeah because those all sucked besides the raid

>>712958961
Pretty sure she sang "Scream" too

God I miss progging P6/7

>>712959223
It was not, in fact, black people. I wouldn't trust some pasty fuck who would probably burst into flames in direct sunlight or a church to identify black gospel music

>>712958409
I've solo spawned many NMs, including zone bosses like Louhi, and it's 100.

>>712959008
>Longest MSQ behind Endwalker
I pay my sub fee to play a game. Not watch a visual novel. I can do that for free on youTube

>>712959349
It was not, in fact, black people.
It SOUNDS like a black choir, you retarded aspie, nobody gives a fuck that it actually wasn't. It's more of a shorthand way to quickly criticize it you stupid tranny.

>>712953121
Eureka still hasn't been topped, and I prefer the story and zones in Stormblood to any other expansion. Truly we didn't know how good we had it back then.

>>712959008
>Hildi
Fucker he's in every expansion, "Character but reflection" isn't anything new

>>712959008
>longest msq behind endwalker
yeah retard that's the fucking problem if DT was only as long as HW we would've just accepted it as mediocre instead of lamenting its existence

>>712959435
It doesn't sound like a black choir, it sounds like a Disney song.

>>712956284
Love how they did the "we can't find his body, he may still be alive" routine immediately to "oh yeah he's super dead for sure" next patch.

>>712959273
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPtevJcKuE

This one?

what do you think they're gonna say about occult this week's live letter? I don't see any way they can turn the content around into a win.
If they make it queuable from outside it will basically destroy any impetus to pug it organically from inside the instance (which never happened anyway), but it's basically a capitulation and admitting the design was trash.

>>712957537
Bozja is dogshit.

>>712959470
He wasn't in Shadowbringers, maybe you remember him there because the fist part of his sidequest in Endwalker was in The First

>>712959435
>you stupid tranny.
You don't know the source of Smile's "Black Gospel music" identification, do you?

>>712957550
The snake shit eas for fordola slop. It was the dumbest railroaded slop in the expansion.

>>712959680
>He wasn't in Shadowbringers
Oh, but he was. He was in 5.3

>>712959557
Yea, the only time you're really in danger is doing the Behemoth push since tanks don't have a lot of leeway. The rest of the time, as long as you're proactive and playing for the timer you can win on WAR. That being said, I have seen and helped a lot of people doing WAR climbs and they fuck up a lot, but it is by far the most retard friendly job to get Necromancer on since you're playing to Not Lose rather than playing to win.

>>712959349
The main singer was not black but that was 100% a black gospel choir.

t. Black and grew up baptist.

>>712959562
I don't care I'm not subbing until the whole things out either way

How's the new exploratory zone? Better than Eureka and Bozja?

>>712960096
Better than Boz, equal to Eureka.

>>712954535
If you mean ShB post-patch content, yes. That is precisely when things started going off the rails.

>>712960096
Worse than both

>>712954920
>incase some rando leaks the entire plot 5 months early
Just make a real tight NDA, people who leak that sort of shit when under an NDA do it for clout and don't hide their identities.

>>712953039
Stormblood is so overhated. At least the postpatch stuff made up for it. Dawntrail's post patch stuff so far has been garbage.

Occult Crescent was my last hope and that has turned out to be such a shit show. I think Im just about done with this. I just cant believe how they let this fall off.

>>712956915
MTG has had literally 19 years of being ruined prior to anything FF going into it.
When it switched over to awful Wayne Reynolds type digital after Coldsnap it was already over, and it's only gotten worse over the years.
Now all you see is photobashing CG, raceswapping ragebait and low effort AI-tier slop.

>>712959562
either make it an outside queue, or remove the rez restriction. i favor the latter as the latter will get more people to bother trying it and it will still feel like a 'grab your shit and lets go' mission

>>712960353
>Stormblood is so overhated
HW was far too good for FF and set expectations too high. You say it's overhated, but that's because you know how much worse it got after SB.

>>712958520
>>712952969
Everything with him was pure fucking kino.
I never would have guessed "epic Dark Link warrior of light" from Heavensward would have turned out so fucking fantastic.