Thread 713052194

STAND
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FIGHT

>nobody even cares about this game enough to shit talk it

grim

>>713052194 (OP)
wow good job anon you did it

>>713052429
where did all the eternalfags go?

>>713052429
Eternal was mocked so long because the game had a lot of remarkable stuff about it, a lot of lasting power, a lot of divisive/debatable mechanics, which comes from a game being filled with merit
Dark Ages has no merit. Its shallow and stale in comparison to Eternal, and you can only mock the green flash shit for so long. At this point any mocking of DA is just beating a dead horse

I friggin' love this Cyberdemon design.

Wish they made toys.

>>713052194 (OP)
what the hell is this zoomer garbage?

As a sekirofag as just want to say that appeal is learning the extensive combos of enemies, not just hitting the button once at the correct time to interupt.
Maybe thats what seperates parryslop from something actually slightly difficult and engaging. The Surge 2 had short combos but had directional parrying which was great. Do that much at least.

>>713053891
youre telling me theres a game with directional parrying all along that i wasnt aware of? Ive been looking for something like For Honor since forever
The game itself looks kinda shit/poorly reviewed though, whats the catch?

>>713054364
The game is kinda shit just like the first one. I still like them both a lot. I'll find you a clip hold on.

>>713053679
as much as i hated some things about it, i liked eternal, and i was very excited for dark ages, im the very specific target audience for this game.
now that i played i don't have much to talk about it, i just get reminded it exists once i see it posted here

>>713055631
>im the very specific target audience for this game.
Elaborate, in what ways did it perfectly align with your interests?

>>713056681
i like boomer shooters, i like doom, and i like the aesthetics eternal was going for with the levels, it feels inspired by ps2 games in a way.
not only that, but i also like action games like dmc and ninja gaiden, eternal feels like ninja gaiden 2 in a lot of ways, both games lock you in rooms with a ton of enemies to kill while running and jumping everywhere switching weapons, pulling out autistic tech, using i-frames for survival, and being constantly on the verge of death.
im even fine with the platforming sections of the game, im used to them from playing so many shitty ps2 games, and they're not hard at all.
i don't think its a perfect game, but it does feel like it was made specifically for me

The Dark Ages is Eternal's 2016. Next game will fix its shortcomings.

>>713057238
have you tried Ultrakill?
it has that style of straightfoward ps2-ey mission-based action game with very uncommon plot intruding. Its much closer to DMC/NG in terms of attacks, much more fleshed out movement than new dooms, etc
The "autistic tech" in new dooms practically does not exist compared to this game's, where you actually have mechanical combinations of the weapons, and switching is less so just for higher firerate but so you can combine them. Its also a bit more extreme health-wise, almost everything rips off 1/4~ of your health but you heal from blood at point blank rang
It also generally (not always) features platforming in ways that arent like a bing wahoo obstacle course

>>713057238
>>713057930
an example of what i mean about the tech thing
>theres a tool that throws a coin, a projectile that will reflect any hitscans and autoaim at either another coin or a target (example : can shoot it to spam basic autoaim shots, can shoot it at the rare few hitscan enemy attacks to deflect them, etc)
>you have a powerful cooldown-limited hitscan electric railcannon with infinite piercing, it can shoot the coins

>if you throw a coin and fire the railcannon into it *through* a target, it will pass through the target once, hit the coin, and then ricochet back at them, hitting twice
>if you can do this with multiple coins in front and behind, it can hit the enemy multiple times

>>713057930
i have obviously played ultrakill.

>>713057521
what does that even mean you schizo

>>713052194 (OP)
mid

I don't understand how you can turn something as simplistic as a really angry sci-fi marine killing demons and turn it into self-fellating, mythical capeshit tier storylines about hes literally the Messiah and can survive anything.

>>713052194 (OP)
what a downgrade

>>713062132
agreed but I wouldn't use punch boosting and abusing fast weapon states to highlight the merits of eternal lol
once you get into tech like that the game completely loses its difficulty and quickly stops being the balls to the wall adrenaline rush it was supposed to be

>>713060102
2016 walked so Eternal could run.
The Dark Ages walked so (the next game) could run.

>>713052194 (OP)
I almost believed you shitposters but when you actually play the game on nightmare you will realize stunned enemies can die easily if you just keep shooting them whereas in doom 16' and Eternal they have extra health in stun mode so you are encouraged to glory kill them. Your shield starts to output damage so OPs webm doesnt even happen, and theres so many enemies all attacking simultaniously with green blows the decision to parry can still get you killed its not a guarenteed invulnerability and blocking non green blows or throwing it makes you vulnerable as well, its actually really well balanced and designed. The second half of the game is where it gets more indepth and all these webms are from the first half, not using upgrades, or on easy, or fighting one enemy. In addition, all the complaints leveled apply doubly to the dlc levels for eternal which the shitposters love to posit is a better game but the same things you dont like are all over eternal as well. Some people hate the entire trilogy and at least thats consistent.

>>713062132
weapon switching isnt fun. This does not look fun to play.

>>713063813
It is fun, you're just disabled or something. Go play a turd based game.

>>713062132
this webm is exactly why shit like this halo and cod limit the weapons a player can carry to two

>>713064193
That happened because of shitty console FPS designed around the limitations of controllers and televisions.

>>713064313
But weapon wheel

>>713052194 (OP)
Giving doom guy a shield is the most pussy shit imagined yet.

>>713064675
Is retarded. The fact you have to slow the game down for it shows how stupid it is.

>>713052194 (OP)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

>>713062132
This spastic ADHD swapfest was bad in the complete opposite direction.

>>713068764
Does 2016 have any good gameplay webm?

>>713060440
This. I was hoping Dark Ages was like a modern Doom 64.

>>713062132
You're right, Eternal was a downgrade, in so very many ways. Thanks for providing video evidence.

>>713054754
>I'll find you a clip hold on.
>posted 5 hours ago

>>713057238
>i like boomer shooters
blehhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>713052194 (OP)
i mean they didn't lie.

>>713052429
I literally have 300 hours in Eternal and did Ultra Nightmare but deleted Dark Ages without even finishing it to make space on drive for some other game

>>713068904
i know right, enjoying something? lol what a retard

I dislike how nu-dooms get more and more into melee aspect it's a fucking shooter let us rely on our guns

>>713068472
Raid shadow legends

>>713052194 (OP)
I know some people love the gameplay or w/e but do you really think you'd like it less without all the fruity colors and effects?
This applies to all the new dooms, especially eternal, I never played DA but the entire time I played eternal I couldn't stop thinking about how obnoxious and shitty it looked.

>>713068839
Hard to tell, 2016 is simpler.
Quickswapping is effective in 2016 to a lesser degree.

This game was piss easy even on 150% speed Nightmare.
What the fuck happened

Also, classic Doom for comparison. Still holds up to this day.

>>713069627
It doesn't. It's primitive by today's standards.

>>713069064
Indeed, when applied to any game that'd be called a "boomer shooter' instead of the actual retro shooters

>>713052194 (OP)
this looks retarded, zoomer trash

>>713063383
2016 was actually good though.

>>713069974
yet the gameplay is still more interesting than "parry the green"

>>713070314
>2016
>good
Thanks for the laughs

>>713069974
Mmm, I do play it with mods now since I played so much of the og, but even then it's still fun vanilla.

>>713069529
What a retarded webm holy shit
>shoots combat and super shotguns while being miles away from the enemy
>said enemy also designed to be shot at weakpoints (unarmored flesh)
>all this cringe instead of siege mode and ssg swap to finish the job

Let's see the how Doom 3 plays.

>>713070731
You were supposed to post a webm of a black screen anon.

>>713052594
Eternal was a good game, not 3 Dimensional guitar hero where you jump at the green.

>>713052194 (OP)
Doomlo: Call of War - Parry Slop Edition

>>713071020
>Call of War
Not only are you not funny, you don't even make any sense

>>713069627
>>713070731
absolute KINO

>>713052194 (OP)
>>713062132
>>713068472
absolute shit

>>713070731
games used to be good then zoomers showed up

>>713069086
Guns aren't as BADASS as swords and chainsaws.

>>713052194 (OP)
S
AND
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SNEED AND FEED
HOLY SHIT I BROKE THE CODE

>>713069627
what wad?

>>713069086
how? eternal had no real melee to begin, dark ages is the only one with a melee focus. And the melee focus was honestly a good idea, the only issue is that they made it boring and bad execution-wise

>>713054364
Surge 2 starts off very good but it drags on WAY too fucking long
Like, a 15h game would have been pretty good, but its like 30h

>>713072026
Ancient Aliens, iirc. Very good, challenging megawad.

>>713052194 (OP)
What in the cartoonish WoWslop is this fucking demon design?

>>713064193
You make it sound like that's a good thing. Fuck 2 gun limits. Gayest development of FPS games ever.

>>713052594
Arguing over Eternal gave people an excuse to talk about their special interest game. Dark Ages just isn't interesting. The most passionate people about it are just people going "well as a matter of fact, I like it more than eternal" and then not going into any kind of interesting detail over what they like about it so much, just repeating stuff they said in marketing like 'wow you feel so powerful! just like a tank!'

>>713069529
>keep bobbing the crosshair on immobile targets
But why?

>>713069529
>playing so spergy that it actually ends up less effective than just lazily shooting with a single weapon
why is this mental retardation so common
if someone wants this level of spergyness they should at least get a game that is meant for it

>>713073805
post scriptum
i agree with the general point though, swapping is super powerful in 2016 too, you can melt the whole game with something like ssg>ballista and its way better than using most weapons normally
I dont know why people attribute it specifically to eternal

>>713070731
Does it count as spawncamping if your weapon requires you to be this close to one shot enemies?

>>713073805
Because it's flashy. People were shilling that fag's videos all throughout 2018.

>>713073703
Because if the screen isn't constantly moving at max velocity, it's much more obvious he's not doing anything special or cool.

>>713073882
because eternal tries to balance the game so swapping is an intentional mechanic like ultrakill does and people blame their issues with the game on it to varying extents of accuracy
swapping is fun doe

>>713052194 (OP)
I had fun with the game. I like every Doom game.

>>713074463
Eternal is designed with swapping in mind, but was not even close to balanced around it. There's only 2 enemies in the game that punish mindless SSG/Ballista spam, and one of them still dies to it quickly.

>>713073912
It would be less easy to do if they didn't try to spawn them all in cinematic fashion and they just started attacking immediately. That's Doom 3's problem. It wants to be showy like a haunted house instead of visceral and tough.

>>713062132
>cool ideas
>wrong IP
This is true for a lot of series but especially when they try this super-fast gameplay.
Same effort could be applied to making tech where the dude is shoulder-checking people, taking limbs and beating people with them, slamming enemies into walls and each other.
Gameplay (for such a modern title) doesn't come off as a very powerful human, but more like some combat droid with weapon racks designed for pure performance. Cool, but just not the ideal thing for the setting.

>>713070314
2016 walked so eternal could run

>>713070362
Wrong. Dark Ages combat is objectively better than the original Doom. OG Doom is only good for it's level design.

>>713072058
eternal added the faggot sword and also lowered default ammo cap to the point you absolutely have to use glory kills

>>713069529
he uses weapons outside of their effective range the fuck is this webm

>>713052194 (OP)
>just stand still and stare at the guy until he flashes and then you press the buttan
Holy fuck, I have parryslop like you wouldn't believe. Shit is a cancer ruining the industry just like regenerating health ruined shooters. Literally toddlercore gameplay.

>>713076095
>have
I meant hate, fuck

>>713076114
>wtf a low tier enemy is not a threat????
>first level
lole

>>713076114
enemies were always a non-threat in nudoom
just run around and they can't do shit to you, even the "high tier" enemies unlike some here are saying

>>713052194 (OP)
SHART
AND
FART

>>713052594
I loved Eternal, I have zero interest in TDA

>>713052594
Not playing a game that barely resembles it

>>713062132
>WOWIE POWIE BING BING BING ZOOOOOOOM *out of ammo* JUMPIE LEAPIE WOOOOAAAAHHHH *out of ammo* SWITCH SWITCH SWITCH SWITCH SWITCH *out of ammo*

>>713070215
Dark Ages was made for millennial boomers, look how that turned out

>>713052194 (OP)
>not a single memorable map
>not a single memorable enemy
>not a single memorable music track
>boring gameplay
>dead game after a week
and that's a good thing, they deserve it after what they did to Nick

>>713074560
And is there a mod for that?

>>713078532
I know jack shit about Doom 3's mod scene.

ur playing it wrong

>>713078375
It's Mick.

>>713076114
That's a tutorial instance. The imps don't act like that outside of that room.

>>713063961
i can smell the BO from here, try lifting a barbell, loser

>>713052194 (OP)
You only bitch about because you miss glory kills. Which is fair.

Also you are nigger.

>>713069627
OG doom/doom2 takes a giant shit on all zoomers and their shit games.

>>713078806
Oh, except of course the flashlight duct tape mod.

>>713062132
jesus fuck that looks retarded lol.

>switch your weapon every shot!!!
>such gameplay!11

zoomers are not human. feel free to treat them like the biological trash that they are

>>713052194 (OP)
I thought it was the best of the Nu-Doom trilogy gameplay wise by a wide margin, very comfy game. All the guns feel fun and strong, giving doomguy a stinger is super handy and all the demons feel like they have a purpose on the battlefield. I also like the open ended stages where you're just allowed to wander around solving puzzles, it makes me wish the game was structured like a Metroid game instead of mission based.

Storywise, for whatever that's worth, 2016 is still the best but Dark Ages wasn't offensive like Eternal.

>>713052194 (OP)
>lets make an entire game out of eternal's worst enemy and gimmick
they gave up on le push forward combat i guess

>>713052594
I liked eternal, I LOVED eternal, but Dark Ages looks like such shit I didn't even bother to pirate it

>>713079783
I deadlift 180kg 2 days ago without my straps. Suck my ass.

>>713062132
>the seething replies
fucking lol, these where the same faggots complaining every shooter was turning into a s o i walking sim with no weapon variety or challenge
I wish we got more games like eternal just to see them bitch more

spambot

>>713069415
The absurd amount of glowy effects and shit obscuring the screen is the biggest reason I didn't buy Eternal. It looks like absolute vomit. Can't fathom how people stomach it.

>>713070731
>bullet sponge enemies that don't fight back and run directly into your fucking line of fire
>enemies have a long ass spawn animation giving you free reign to kill them in one hit negating all the challenge
no way niggers are praising this

>>713083397
It's all shitposting anon
DOOD 3 was hated when it came out because it was shit and is still shit now

>>713062132
These are turbo autists breaking the game though, not really how it was "meant" to be played.

I beat Eternal the more "vanilla" way on Nightmare, none of these tricks. The DLC was so fucking exhausting, I was begging for it to be over. I loved it, never had so much fun and high intensity gameplay from a shooter but god damn am I tired of Doom for like a year. That's why I'm not playing Dark Ages. I'm too worn out.

>>713082392
Anon, Maurader is invulnerable unless you parry him. All the demons in DA can just be defeated by shooting them until they die, all parry does is stagger them

>>713084328
It's considerably faster to keep hitting the green things.

>16 was promising even if janky and repetitive
>Eternal sucked because of the emphasis on simon-says ennemy hard counters, and constant cinematic kills
>TDA sucks because of the emphasis on simon-says parrying and constant melee kills that slows down the game

Nobody knows how to make a good FPS anymore and it hurt.

>>713085153
It's considerably safer* the demon takes the same amount of damage from most weapons besides the ones that get a power up for parrying. You shouldn't not parry, but the game is still designed like a run and gun, you will die from standing and fighting unless you've cleared every enemy but the one your standing and fighting at. The better way to play is to just parry greens as you see them and shoot everything else than just fishing for them.

>>713084328
>all parry does is stagger them
and the staggers set up for the ridiculously strong melee moves, that's the problem.

>>713085376
Why? The worst part of Eternal is how utterly useless your melee is.

>>713085831
>utterly useless
>blood punch is a hard falter
>blood punch can break weakpoints
>deal massive damage to or outright instakill certain enemies
>can act as a health dispenser with a certain rune
Wtf

>>713062132
Yeah, I don't get it. Eternal forces you to constantly switch weapons and you end up always doing pretty much the same shit. I also don't like how you are not allowed to touch enemies and you end up always on the run. The cycle that is designed to promote variety makes you do the same shit all the time and it gets old fast.

>>713086446
>eternal
>also don't like how you are not allowed to touch enemi
Retard

>>713082734
>wears a strap on
have you tried lifting it without your fingerless lifting gloves too?

>>713086518
>>713086124
While that punch is a good option it's not something you can rely on at all times.

>>713082895
>weapon variety or challenge
Did you take a look at the webm you're replying to?

>>713086752
>it's not something you can rely on at all times.
but you can
with crystal upgrades which allow you to recharge BP with excessive Hp/Armor pickups on top of glorykills

>>713085354
Parrying projectiles deals damage without interrupting your shooting and it triggers shield rune effects.

>>713060440
main problem for me with doom now.
I can understand mistakes on weapong or enemy designs.
but the story, the absolute marvelslop capeshit about the SLAYA is unbearable.

>>713085317
>simon-says ennemy hard counters
You never played it.

>>713052594
I was initially excited but the more gameplay i saw the less I cared.

>>713062132
Got bored after watching 10 seconds.

>>713069086
It's funny when the melee got worse and worse after 2016.

>>713052194 (OP)
I played 75% on it on gamepass then I I refunded it. Game is mid.

>>713091748
What do you even do with melee in 2016 besides trigger glory kill from zombies by mashing melee into them?

>>713052594
Loved Eternal. The DLCs were shit though and put me off from playing Dark Ages.

>>713052594
They're getting deported by ICE atm.

>>713084025
100% this

>>713076114

single enemy is always easy. Doom is only challenging because it throws likes a hundred at you at a time.

>>713096157
>leddit spacing
you must love this game

>>713097003
Not that anon but...

>>713097539
fuck up freshie I'm not reading your fucking essay

>>713097742
30s essay.

>>713086632
Ask your dad

>>713098506
>7 words and I've corrected your behavior
no essay needed
>t-thats not m-me I s-said so
fuck up retard

>>713093047
Stunlock enemies early game alternating between shotgun hits. You can often block enemy melee with it that is essentially a parry. Teleport through attacks. Not exaggerating that. If a melee attack in 2016 connects (which is stupid but w/e), then it will simply teleport you the distance. You can teleport straight through script triggers. It's absurd.
I've been trying UNM lately and I can't imagine not using melee to maintain stun. Fuck GKs though. Horrible mechanic that should've never been designed and fucks up the flow often. On lower difficulties, it's merely juvenile indulgence but with NM balancing, it's a straight up hazard to be generally avoided.

>Dark Ages was such a flop that daily discourse over it just centers around Eternal again
It almost makes up for the disappointment.

>>713085317
You didn't play or you got filtered, call it

>>713099496
eternal was peak fps
dark ages is console slop for neckbeards

>>713052194 (OP)
>doom 1
Classic. Fun if a bit simplistic.
>doom 2
Same, except level design gets worse.
>doom 3
Too linear and the worst shotgun.
>doom 2016
A solid 7/10. Kind of boring at times.
>doom eternal
Worse than 2016. Too many gimmicks.
>doom dark ages
Ok, but the hitstop is annoying. No replay value.

>>713077354
Enemies are even less of a threat in OG doom. And unlike someone posting a fanwad this is what the actual game is like.

>>713099935
To be fair, DA is an ok shooter. It's fun, has great art and atmosphere, and the shield is an interesting mechanic. However, Eternal tapped into something special that DA does not.

>>713099935
>eternal was peak fps
Lmao no. I enjoyed it but the arena design is a weakness of all nu-Dooms. It always leads to games where you're just doing the same thing most if not all encounters due to the absence of hard limitations on the player or level gimmicks. Eternal just took 120 hours to feel repetitive while Dark Ages had me groaning before I finished it.
And fuck GKs, cooldown abilities, and comeback mechanics.

>>713100073
There's significance in the different components of each game. Classic Doom can be molded into a massive amount of various scenarios of varying quality.
The gameplay of Dark Ages will feel broken and samey no matter what the level designer does. You would need to axe entire mechanics which would require an overhaul of the enemies as well.

>>713053679
>Eternal was mocked so long
Huh???

>>713097003
>half of those guys dont get any spoken lines
>teh king does nothing
>the princess opens one teleporter and dies between the games

dark ages has to have one of the worst game stories ever

>>713102221
It really seems like some shit you'd see in 7th gen shovelware like Fracture or Haze.

>>713076168
You want to be hate fucked?

Hope they don't fuck up the inevitable Quake reboot (Champions doesn't count), bu5t I have a bad feeling they're gonna double down instead of learning anything

>>713052194 (OP)
I like the dark ages more than eternal. I like how it feels to shoot and how the enemies die more easily, and that the executions aren't trying as hard but rather just a quick kick to finish them off - less repetitive.

This is of course my casual perspective though. I was nowhere near a DOOM fan growing up and am barely one now. 2 edgy 4 me.

>>713103852
Hacks at nu-id just don't have the right stuff. They literally don't have it in themselves to make the game you want to play.

imagine failing these conditions when playing a shooter