>shmup fags be like
>UGH KINO GAME DESIGN I CAN SEE EVERYTHING WITH BUT A GLANCE
>the gameplay

>>713070875 (OP)
>shmup has a cow boss
>no way to milk it for extra points
not kino

>>713070929
Is that Death Smiles?

>>713070929
mooo

>like touhou
>everybody raves about how it's shit tier compared to muh GOAT Cave
>pick up mushihime on sale
visuals are cluttered color vomit, reactive gameplay is a chore because you can barely tell what the fuck is going on with the background and foreground elements blending together, have to reply on memorisation even more

>>713070875 (OP)
Where's the physical version of SDOJ?

>>713073540
lol readability is the one thing you can't knock cave for, they do a good job on it past ddp

>>713073818
Even when I was starting out with shmups with touhou, literally not once had I ever had a moment of "wait, what hit me", and I've played almost all mainline games from EoSD to 13. Meanwhile I've lost count of just how much it happened just with my first 1cc of MHS.

>>713070875 (OP)
Legit question but is there ever a reason in a shmup NOT to be holing the fire button? I know some games have scoring systems where shooting specific targets is important, but let's say we're only talking about beating the game.

>>713074435
Battle Garegga rank could be affected with certain autofire rates and since rank in BG actually does affect quite a bit, it can bite you in the ass.

Otherwise, some older games just didn't have autofire in mind

>>713074067
maybe you're too used to slow bullets/camping with reimu-a? mushi's probably a good start for differentiating bullets on behavior instead of color

>>713074435
>but let's say we're only talking about beating the game.
Many games have higher difficulties or multiple loops where eventually they add suicide bullets, if you keep shooting the enemies carelessly you will trap yourself with those or get sniped if you were too close.

>>713075189
No, I'm used to bullets that very clearly contrast with the background, and the background itself having very little detail, plus I'm prettu sure touhou has a larger field of view.

>>713075347
I mean take a look at this image.
The background almost a straight up blank canvas. Every bullet pops, the patters are ridiculously easy to read and nothing intereferes with them visually.

>>713075610
And then compare it to this. It already looks very busy in a static image and you need to take a moment to read what's what. In motion it's a goddamn headache.

>>713075347
>>713075610
And CAVE did that just fine. In fact they are one of the first devs who cared so much about making sure bullets contrast well with the background.
Touhou genuinely gives you bad habits on top of being a very mediocre series.

>>713075682
Middle looks the closest to what I'd consider good readability. Left one the shrubbery with its very sharp details mixes too much with the bullets, especially bottom left corner. Right one is just outright cancer. Also making them black and white is disingenuous considering the sharpness of details and the huge variety in background colours is what adds to the poor readability. Notice how the thouhou jmage the background colours are extremely washed out while the bullets, enemies and pickups are very bright pastel colours?

>>713075667
every bullet's purple because mushi wanted natural colors and environments and you don't see purple in nature, so you know when you see purple it's a bullet. you can train this skill if you try
>>713075682
touhou is still good on readability, never got people shitting on ufo stage 5

>>713075852
It's not just the bullets. The sharp, volourful background details tend to really fuck with me in instances when sharp, colourful generic stage enemies decide to come in on the lower edges of the screen, or when they tend to move behind bushes, under water which, while the layering looks really nice from an aesthetic point of view, is just downright AIDS from a gameplay perspective.

>>713075852
Maybe you just have poor vision. There are shmups with poor readability but CAVE made none of them.
>Also making them black and white is disingenuous
It's explicitly to show how they are relying on contrast and outlines instead of just using colors. Is that the only thing your eyes can process? Like I said, you got lazy habits from a lazy series.

MORE LIKE GAYVE

>>713077559
He sucks Ikeda's cock like everyone's else though.
Not that they are wrong, the games are fun when you specifically want to play danmaku.

CAVE SH3 era games suck
Games based on bullet cancels and ugly ass glossy visuals

>>713077797
But bullet cancel is cool and closer to traditional STG where enemies shoot destroyable objects.

i like the part where everything explodes and numbers go up bigly :)

>shmup chuds be like
>AYO THIS GAMEPLAY FIYA
>the gameplay

>>713078212
That's just 2hu. Most games don't use too many colors for enemy bullets.

Touhou gameplay is mid, stage design is terrible, decent music, though that's to be debated for his latest releases.

>>713070875 (OP)
You won't get it until you're up against the last boss on a 1cc/high score attempt after spending the last 30 minutes surviving non-stop action, your palms are sweaty and you're genuinely on the edge of your seat
if you just credit feed through the game and drop it after seeing the credits you will miss the appeal, which is fine but don't cast judgement then

>>713080742
Truth. Final stages/bosses are always maximum hype on your first 1cc attempt, for each game. It's when you will start dropping bomba and attempt some crazy dodges because it's time to go all out

>>713080078
it's a very overrated series but I do appreciate it's community

>>713081671
>but I do appreciate it's community
Said no one ever.
no really, of all things you can say you like about touhou you choose the schizos?

>>713081724
They spend much more time enjoying the franchise than they do bitching about other fandoms. Which can't be said about the fandoms of other shmups.

>>713081939
If you can call that enjoying the franchise.

>>713081724
you say that as if there isn't a metric fuckton of fanmade media about this series, who gives a shit about the schizos

>>713082230
I thought you meant it as if interacting with the community itself, not just their fan works.

>>713070875 (OP)
This but unironically.
ok SDOJ is way too hard but it's still awesome

>>713081939
>They spend much more time enjoying the franchise than they do bitching about other fandoms.
Meanwhile, the first post to attack other shmups is from a touhou poster >>713073540

>>713075610
Thats true for the Good Old Touhous, the nu-hu shit is eye vomit

Everyone says shmups are full of flying magical girls, but there is not a single one who is literally about a mahoushoujo plot with transforming heroines and such.

>>713070875 (OP)
touhou isnt shmups

>>713083530
That's Dodonpachi SaiDaiOuJou

For me it's ZeroRangee.

>>713083482
Marion is magic and a girl and transforms in that one ending. The one where she gets older and the pedo guy is upset.

>>713084168
Marion is a witch.
I think the closest is actually Otomedius. The girls are high school students who transform into girl with ship parts.

For me it's blue revolver

>want to get into the genre
>shit reaction times and bad at vidya in general
What's a good way to get into shmups? The only ones I beat were gradius and sunset riders, and they kicked my shit in.

>>713086392
>shit reaction times
not an issue, patterns test your spatial awareness, not your reflexes old man

>>713086392
If you cleared Gradius you already got into them though. Take it easy, play more games to learn the fundamentals and keep practicing the stages until a 1cc drops.

>>713086185
are they gonna kiss or what

>>713086479
raiden_tank.jpg

>>713074435
>survival only
there are shmups where shooting an enemy spawns a bunch of bullets from its corpse.
otherwise for non-survival, some scoring systems heavily incentivize point-blanking

>>713086880
Lol but you are supposed to move before it shoots.
Shmups are mainly about prediction, screen control and obviously memory. Reflexes only really get used for these games who have rng stuff in them.

>>713086392
>shit reaction time
everyone has the same reaction time.

>>713087158
What did he mean by this

>>713086392
>bad at vidya in general
This is cope, just practice and the 1CCs will eventually come out. Anyone can get a CAVE 1ALL if they're persistent enough, regardless of their skill level

>>713088548
What if they want a 2-ALL?
Personally I think in theory it's the same, but in practice it takes a lot more investment into a single game over a long amount of time so most players are just not going to bother for this reason alone.

Bomba~

>>713070875 (OP)
Did you know that you only have to dodge the bullets going at you? You dont give a shit about 95% of the screen

Psikyo?
https://streamable.com/xj9rfi

>>713093723
It's good in small doses.

Dodonpachi?
https://streamable.com/oej39h

>>713094014
the entire background engine-looking thing flashing blue threw you off as well, huh?

>>713094154
Not at all, just the rails

>>713094014
This section is so bullshit even on the first loop
Still pretty good for actually surviving without bombs or hyper until that beam cannon thing.

>>713075667
It's pretty easy to read if you're not mentally handicapped
>purple
bullet
>not purple
not bullet

>>713094014
Is this the second loop or just a high rank?

HOTDOGS

>>713094571
It's 2-4, high rank in DOJ does not add suicide bullets.

>>713094746
PCB? As in the arcade cabinet?

>>713094014
Killing the cannon clears all the bullets so (in first loop) I hold down laser as I do similar movement to 0:22 to 0:26 and the laser damage + point blank aura usually is enough to kill the cannon and clear the bullets before I get swarmed. That might work in second loop too?

>>713094880
I fucking know what to do, I just got snowball'd by the rails and accepted my fate. If you save up a hyper until the laser cannon, the rest is trivial

MOOOOOOOORk, touhou fags are getting uppity again

>>713095358
I want Tateha saying that

>>713095213
In Shotia's defense, Black Label actually does buff her by making the laser speed much better. That probably means A-L becomes the most difficult one for survival there, idk not sure.

I can't even beat SDOJ on easy mode

>>713096420
You can't even beat SDOJ on easy mode YET.

>>713096420
Which stage are you struggling with, and which shot type are you using?

That's not a child! Give me truss!

>>713097628
I usually job hard at 4, 3 is also a little tough and I start bomb spamming. Haven't gotten the rhythm down, seems like the typical "wait to destroy the bullet cancelling things for when they count" stage 3.
I'm using Maria shot.

What's a good modern, non-emulation/port shmups with really good practice options that not Blue Revolver, Astral Gunners, Gunvein, or Rolling Gunner. Boss/Mid-Boss select at the absolute minimum.

>>713100786
StellaVanity
Battle Traverse
Like Dreamer
Cosmo Dreamer
Angel At Dusk
Hellsinker
Exceed 3rd JPBP
Gundemonium Recollection
Blue Wish Resurrection
Blue Wish Desire
Eden's Aegis

today I will play dodonpachi black label novice mode

>>713102562
You mean DOJ?
There is no DDP black label, or novice mode.

>>713102664
this has 'em

>>713102975
Cool, DFK is giga soulful.

>>713100786
Crimzon Clover counts?

>>713070875 (OP)
>UGH KINO GAME DESIGN I CAN SEE EVERYTHING WITH BUT A GLANCE
That's just millennial redditor revisionism, back in the day, after the arcades died but shmups were still made for home consoles, these games were universally despised and every retard kid knew to avoid them for being absolutely broken degenerate failures of game design.
Exhibit A:
>>713075610
>>713075667

>>713103859
>these games were universally despised
Journo opinions don't count.

>>713103859
t. journalist

I wonder if SHMUPs would have a bigger presence in the modern gaming landscape if Japanese devs didn't all decide to releasr most of their games only in Japan and on the region locked Xbox 360

>>713103859
The same way they hated Demon Souls.

>>713104487
There was a reason for them doing it iirc.
Something about Snoy not wanting 2D arcadey games and I can't remember what was the deal with Nintendo.

Shmups are more popular now than 10 years ago

>>713104716
That sounds about right actually, seeing the amount of indies.
I think retrogaming in general also got a boost from modern vidya really sucking ass compared to the 2010s

>>713103936
>>713104130
>>713104545
Bruh, every kid wasted their money on one of these pieces of shit at least once, you'd have to actively look for shmuptards to find a single person that didn't absolutely HATE this trash.
No you're not le based underground contrarian for saying wrong shit on purpose, these games are objectively badly made and everyone knew it at the time. It's not le Demon Souls, Touhou was the same genre and nobody talked shit about it like this
The average shmup had
>no practice mode
>intentionally confusing player hitbox
>variable difficulty randomly changing as you play
>horrendous visibility
>speeds that were unplayable on the shit hardware they were made for
These games are ASS. They're the perfect example of natural selection working, the game design in these is straight up dysgenic. You sound like you never played any.

>>713105141
>every kid wasted their money on one of these pieces of shit at least once
Not my problem, had those games from free and shit is fun, emus have all the tools you need to have fun with shmup if you just want to freeplay or master them.

>>713105339
ok zoomer

>>713105412
LMAO sure boomer, will never git gud with those dying reflexes.

>>713104716
That's true for pretty much every single genre outside of RTS and point & click adventures tho
SHMUPs are also far less popular than other genres, the best selling "bullet hell" games on Steam are Vampire Survivor clones
The best selling "Shoot'em ups" are more Vampire Survivor clones and Cuphead
You need to scroll far down to finally find an actual SHMUP and it doesn't even have 100 reviews

>>713105141

>>713075610
But anon, you are comparing it to PCB, the best touhou game that also spawned some of the best characters as well as music etc. Not exactly a fair comparison, even new touhou games wish it was as good. Also there aren't that many bullets in that screenshot

anyway. cave games are shit

>>713105602
I already got good by playing an actual well designed shmup that lets you learn through gameplay and doesn't need external cheats for basic functionality.
Post your 1CCs, you won't.

How the hell is anyone supposed to do this?
How is this fun?

>>713103754
yes

>>713106228
Congrats on beating easy as shit bad fake shmups for fake fans I suppose.

>>713106398
You never played any of them, kid. You're the definition of a fake fan.

>truss
>shitclear

>>713105947
did this turn out to be good?

>>713105141
>everyone hated it except the people who liked it
Compelling argument there.
>No you're not le based underground contrarian for saying wrong shit on purpose
Nice projection.
>Touhou was the same genre and nobody talked shit about it like this
Of fucking course it's a Touhoutard. I could sumbit the post right here because there is no point in reading it further but I'm bored enough so...

>no practice mode
You can credit feed to play every stage, that was the intended way to beat them. Also sometimes console ports included stage select.
>intentionally confusing player hitbox
What the fuck are you even talking about.
There are like two kinds of shmup hitboxes: either almost as big as the entire ship which is intuitive enough, or very small that's meant to be helpful for the player.
>variable difficulty randomly changing as you play
Not sure how they are "random" since every single difficulty rank system can be summed up as "if you are doing well game is harder, if you die it becomes easier" but ok sure, you can dislike that.
>horrendous visibility
Nigga you are blind. I can see perfectly in most of these games, very few have visibility issues.
>speeds that were unplayable on the shit hardware they were made for
Fair enough, although many designed it around the slowdown.
>You sound like you never played any.
I played DOJ 1 hour ago lol. Already got my 1ccs including one this year, but eh why not I might do another run that's not with the worst shot type but still White Label for style points.

>>713106480
Nobody need to "play" Touhou garbage, they're not shmups, no toujou tranny cares that the games are indeed shmup, that's why the touhou spinoff games are everything but shmups.

>want to get back into playing shmups
>old and violent alcoholic with a broken brain that gives me mini spazzes
It's too bad because I really loved the genre. I still tell myself that one day I'll beat Hellsinker. That's the white whale right there.

>it's well designed because I managed to beat it on easy :)

Also, can you retards quit replying to the shitter? Clearly he's not going to learn anything from any of you. You're just wasting time arguing with a shitter with little to no arcade STGs outside of troonhou.

>>713106228
NTA but

>>713106502
>95% positive reviews
>Game looks good and fun
>Dev still wants to further improve it
Definitely worth a shot, especially since we rarely get this style of game

>>713106574
>Nice projection.
>The same way they hated Demon Souls
What ISN'T projection to you then? Is there a single situation in which you'd concede that it's not a projection and the accusation is in fact legit?
Every point you made is a literal cope, made in this exact fashion, and no I'm not a Touhoutard, I intentionally avoided these games until 2020 after getting burned by all sorts of dogshit shmups. Touhou games are in fact better, they're the only reason this dysgenic genre is still hanging on and you know it.

>>713106502
It's actually really good from what I played. I basically never play it though because performance is a bit shit on 'eck. Waiting for either an update that enhances performance or until I get a stonger handheld PC (Ayaneo 3 being sold at Best Buy so I actually have a warranty, or 'eck 2. whichever comes first) to dig into it more.
>but I didn't ask about all that
yeah well i told you anyways.

>>713107325
I wasn't the anon who brought up Demon Souls. But that aside
>Every point you made is a literal cope
So you are just going to not give any argument at all, right. We can end it here.

>Practicing specific stages and bosses using save states
>Perfect clear
>Actual 1CC attempt
>Die from the most random stuff
Feels cursed

>>713107325
You only like 2hu games because they're more beginner friendly in general

>>713107523
It be like that.
If it starts happening forget save state practice for a while and just play as god intended to build some endurance and state of mind, keep going if you fuck up. Yes you just died twice to the same boss, but you can still clear the game.

>>713070875 (OP)
Real life doesn't have video compression anon

>>713107518
No they're really all cope. Like objectively they're cope: instead of demonstrating how I'm wrong, you basically agree to all the premises but then add
>well ackshually from my point of view it's not a problem and/or a good thing
practice mode:
>you don't actually need it (disregard the inability to plan for your rank/resources by credit feeding)
hitbox:
>yes they're all different and usually not shown, how is this a problem I don't get it
variable difficulty:
>you can dislike it (yes I can and I will, thank you very much)
visibility
>dude it's subjective lmao *cue in literal denial of reality*
Like bro, what's there to argue? I agree, let's end it, I'm out.

Tatsujin is fucking cool, actually.

>>713108443
>>you don't actually need it (disregard the inability to plan for your rank/resources by credit feeding)
Correct. How exactly do you think people were 1cc'ing games before save states or stage select modes dropped? It's objectively possible and exactly how the game was intended to be played, there is no room for argument here at all. Maybe (you) need it because you are a touhou baby.
>>yes they're all different and usually not shown, how is this a problem I don't get it
Your original point was about them being "intentionally misleading", that is objectively not the intention.
>>you can dislike it (yes I can and I will, thank you very much)
That's the only one I can give to you.
>>dude it's subjective lmao *cue in literal denial of reality*
People play these games and see the bullets just fine, and I do that as well. How is it "denying the reality"? You don't often hear about visibility complaints aside from specific games like Garegga.

Chocolatton!

>>713108934
>you don't need it to beat the game therefore its lack is a good thing
Let me guess, right stick doing nothing in old Dynasty Warriors games isn't a flaw?
If Dark Souls released as a Wii exclusive with dance pad only controls, I'd be a retard for complaining, right?
I'm seriously closing the tab this time, don't bother replying.

>>713109448
>I'm seriously closing the tab this time, don't bother replying.
one of the gayest things I've ever seen on this site

>>713070875 (OP)
I do in fact say that (and it's a good thing)

>>713070875 (OP)
>caveslop
>peak
lol

>>713109448
It's cool to have a stage select mode, but I'm not going to throw a fit and declare something unplayable badly designed garbage because I cannot practice stages without credit feeding.

>>713109707
Don't worry, he will be here all night bitching about arcade games while larping as a veteran who chose touhou instead.

Are there any new shmups this year?

>>713110773
Touhou 20 coming in August

>>713086185
This is in fact the best modern shmup (close second goes to Gunvein)

>>713110773

>>713110773
Cotton High Tension is coming out next month, Rock n' Roll 2/Rock with You will be releasing in December

>>713110867
AI slop

>>713107508
>performance is a bit shit on 'eck
Damn, guess I'm gonna wait too.
>>713108764
Wait, the reboot's doing 16:9? Fuck that

Open wide

PACK POST!
Original(kept for legacy reasons): archive.org/details/shmupg-pack
Leinyan certified version(Enhanced, recommended): archive.org/details/mature-dot-dodging-games-gaiden-v-1.0.7z
A mame fork with more accuracy for CV1000(https://wiki.arcadeotaku.com/w/CAVE_CV1000) games: https://github.com/CoffeePope/mame-sh34

>2hu where?
nyaa.si/view/1743411
And more doujin shmups at vector.co.jp/vpack/filearea/winnt/game/shoot
https://freegame-mugen.jp/shooting/
https://www.freem.ne.jp/win/category/2

>B-But piracy is illegal!
Faggot shmups.wiki/library/Free_to_Play

Temporarily pasted anon's suggestions from some threads ago here:
pastebin.com/ZzHxJ38H

>>713110773
Lilac 0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y9xFS1BPP0

>>713110916
the input lag is so bad

>>713111383
NTA but really?
I had no problem at all, at least on my side

>>713073540
Touhou is and always will be the only good shmup.

>>713111850
And you aren't and will never be a woman, let alone a shmup player.

>>713110773
Not new but a remake of Night Striker

>>713108764
>wide af vertical
Ugh, why

>>713074435
One of my favorite shmup has limited ammo, so holding all of the button isn't option

>>713111305
it's not a reboot DESU it's a new installment

>>713110916
I feel like it's a never ever
>>713111383
??

>>713075667
Brother those bullets are purple. What is your mind processing? Does the stage not turn invisible in your mind after a few minutes?

>>713111342
Why does this make me angry? It's like it was designed to piss me off, even outside of the obnoxious cocksucker talking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNdNTIPTXvM

>>713112984
>Game made as a passion project by one guy
>Not even 50 reviews on Steam
There isn't much to be mad about

>>713112542
Oh alright. I'll still give it a shot because Truxton's a Top 3 PCE/MD shmup but widescreen verticals always seem to end up mediocre

>>713113353
The demo is still up fyi, I'd say give it a whirl. It's not my ideal and I definitely wouldn't want this to become the norm for vertical shmups going forward, but I have to admit I felt it actually ended up working out in this case from what I played in the demo.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3642820/Truxton_Extreme_Demo/

>>713113282
I see your "not even 50 reviews" and raise you "not even 20 reviews"
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1978190/Harpoon_Shooter_Nozomi/

>>713113729
>Cute MC
>All around colorful
>Fun enemy designs
Sad to see a game that follows the Cotton formula fail

>>713074435
>limited ammo
>suicide bullets
>holding charges an attack
There are many reasons

Play her game.

>>713106239
Can someone fucking answer me?

>>713074435
in Hellsinker not shooting gives you a shield that slows projectiles and even destroys some, and chips enemies and some other effects that I don't remember because that game has a million mechanics.

>>713114112
Cute!
But no.

>>713110773
New Salamander by M2 Shottriggers

>>713106239
Cancel them bullets and make sure to turn them into gems
https://shmups.wiki/library/Progear_no_Arashi

>>713114357
Why

>>713114414
>Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead
.

>>713114582
Firefucks is dumb, it's literally shmup.wiki

>>713114543
Input reading AI aren't fun to play against.
Abstract mechanics aren't fun to figure out.
Human opponents are obnoxious to play against in legacy games like these.

>>713114414
Dating Sim/Shmup? I can barely dodge one circle I don't think I have what it takes to woo a lady on top of that...

>>713114730
I don't think the AI input reads, but they can do inhuman dodges as much as extremely dumb mistakes. Not sure what you mean with abstract mechanics, but the game has a little tutorial sequence telling you everything you need to know.

>>713115138
I can't do it. I'm just going to lose. It won't be fun.

>>713115486
Follow this very helpful advice.
But yeah getting your ass kicked until you don't is the experience in every shmup.

>>713113613
Alright yeah, played it for a bit and it does feel pretty good. I'll see if the full game holds up when it's out.

Reminder to play Blue Revolver DA.
>but it looks like a literal gameboy color game!
I know, that's the only part that sucks. Everything else is fucking amazing. And even then it's 120FPS with clear enough ennemies/bullet sprites.

>>713116020
I like the GBA aesthetics

>>713116020
Is it free?

>>713115657
I already get my ass kicked in life why would I want to do that in a game too?

>>713116205
it can be if you want

>>713111383
Huh? But /vg/ told me that just using existing engines instead of creating optimized code had no downsides...

>>713116321
It's not an engine's fault, it means they have it configured improperly.

>>713116020
Man, I'm weak to cute bug-eyed girls, wishlisted
>>but it looks like a literal gameboy color game!
Anyone who played GG Aleste 3 would never complain about a recent SHMUP looking like it could run on old hardware

https://files.catbox.moe/p1gut7.mp4

>>713116205
Everything is

>>713116512
But if you pirate shooting games, the Vampire Survivor clones win! :(

>>713117374
You can buy it later if you like it

>>713116512
But muh stellar blade...

Hey shmupbros. What do you all think about my favorite shmup game, VAMPIRE SURVIVORS???? This is a shmup, by the way. You can't refute that. I fucking LOVE shmups (vampire survivors)

>>713120308
cool game to play one the phone

>>713120308
Gameplay?

>>713113282
>>713113729
Why do steamies not buy games?

>>713070929
I love tacky pre-rendered graphics. Especially with huge sprites. Love the way this game looks.

>>713112984
>every so often a shmup will be EASY and welcome in a NEW GENERATION of new players [footage of Jamestown on stream]
What a lying faggot. I would wager not even 10 (ten) normalfags who bought jamestown went on to try another shmup

>>713114234
my answer is I don't find that game fun either for whatever reason. and I love caveslop, so it's not like I just hate it because the dev or something.

>>713116020
Seems alright but I only play games made by ethnic nips/gooks/chinks looking in those countries. sorry.

>>713116458
GG Aleste 3 looks better than most indie shoot em ups despite being a literal game gear game.

>love shmups
>hate anime
>90% of shmup discussion is about anime shmups

what are some good non-anime shmups

>>713122632
Ironically, Dodonpachi

>>713075610
are you really going to justify zun being a lazy fuck when it comes to backgrounds on every single touhou game because it makes the bullets easier to read

>>713116020
I love her design so much, incredibly powerful and also soft

>>713070875 (OP)
You'd be able to see if you were raised on food coloring and smear resolution games with Vaseline blur and fake frames

>>713073540
>Anon does not realize he is the problem as he constantly casts the first stone

>>713122632
Armed police batrider is like an all stars game for shumps. It is really fun and combines not only rosters but mechanics and has different routes per run so the replay value is insanely high even as a casual

>>713122632
I'm note sure if it counts as a shmup since it's more roguelike than shmup, but Star of Providence is pretty cool

>>713086185
I still can't 1cc Hyper mode but it is an amazing game indeed.

>>713110874
I would say Outsider's games (Cosmo Dreamer, Like Dreamer) are on the top too

>>713122632
Depends on what you define as "anime", most shmups from the 70s, 80s and 90s only had spaceships and aircrafts with faceless pilots, they barely had anime characters, or any characters for that matter.
Some western shmups with characters use an art style similar to cartoons, like Hazelnut Hex and Cat Girl without Salad

>>713110916
The difficulty spike in this is so dumb. Great game nonetheless

shmups with bullet reflect/absorb/clearing mechanics seem like they'd be fun, but whenever i play one i just want to dodge instead

>>713124701
Go play Mars Matrix

>>713075667
you're 100% right, this is a mess

>>713124896
holy samefag batman

>>713075667
Fuck, how can someone dislike this? I love this kind of presentation in a shmup

Is g-darius the only one with a capture mechanic? It's weird that I can't find other games that literally let you grab an enemy ship and use that type of firing it has

The fact it doesn't exist makes me want to learn to develop a fucking game solely to implement it in a game

>>713125163
Gaiares

>>713075667
maybe you should play on maniac or ultra so you don’t have to see as much of the background

>>713125163
Bugatron Gold (???)

Steel Vampire and Angel at Dusk are way more fun than they have any right to be.

>>713122632
>>love shmups
>>hate anime
So close yet so far from good tastes in games.

>>713125163
High Tension is going to have a capture mechanic very similar to G-Darius
https://www.youtube.com/live/UuvA4VMYZQ0?si=PrF7SZ4q6mIEShMT&t=14329

>>713125282
Gary is number one.

>>713075667
Have you played mushi? It's fucking perfect in term of visibility.

>>713116471
Lol

>like touhou
>play other shmups
>they're better
>1cc touhou anyway because the games are piss easy besides 11, 12 and maybe 15
Everything before Stage 4 is usually so fucking boring, I actually think 20 is good in that regard. Gets going right from the start, doesn't give you a million resources and you do have to dodge a few things. Compared to every game since 15 I definitely do think it will be fun, but there's also a chance that the bullet sponge enemies + pyramids will fuck it up. It's at least doable early on.
Anyway like some have said here already, shoutouts to Blue Revolver. Fun as hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7RaqlQr6Q

>a shmup thread.
>always starts the same
Anyway I'm still pissed SDOJ doesn't have a physical release. Playing a lot of Sister's Royale lately but I'm probably going to start practicing SDOJ in an attempt to reach the top 3 on the WR as my goal. Devil Blade Reboot I don't know why I don't own yet but I will as soon as Summer Sale starts next week. Played it so much at a friends I forgot I don't actually own the game, lol. Wish this had a Physical too.

If you hadn't already Castle of Shikigami 3 dropped on Steam. Also Karous is coming soon so get ready!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNiuYHS-67I

>>713128341
I don't remember Dunkey ever played Ketsui

>>713121724
CAVE's pre-rendered stuff was meant to be seen on CRTs. i thought ketsui and daioujou looked like shit until i got proper shaders.

>>713129447
>i thought ketsui... looked like shit
the fuck is wrong with you

>>713129616
it really does, it's so obviously pre-rendered

I like Graze Counter

>>713070875 (OP)
yea you dodge all that shit

>>713074435
you move slower

>>713130753
your 1cc top score on extreme?

>>713130923
not yet

>>713130972
then you don't like it. you're just a filthy casual

>>713131008
ah damn
I guess I'll stop trying then

Why dont they just release everything on Steam? Especially M2. Everything is spread out across PC, Switch and PS5. Fucks sake devs even delist these games like Espgaluda 2.

>>713131178
when you start you'll learn you actually hate GC

>>713131313
Steam must have low sales compared to Japanese console releases

>>713131352
tell me about your experience with it

>>713131313
If you were truly a Shmup fan you would own one of the following

Xbox360 with LITERALLY EVERYTHING
Switch with about 98% of LITERALLY EVERYTHING
PS4 with almost EVERYTHING

You would also own anything delisted like Gradius V or Jade or a certain delisted shmup that I wont name since no one talks about it and I don't want to draw attention to it

>>713131416
I'm just shitposting. Graze is fairly easy. Just pick the half meter skill and you can casually neutral skip most shit even on extreme difficulty

>>713131675
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind

>>713131549
I mostly like cave/toaplan and weird stuff like hellsinker. I also just like treasure in general even outside of their shmups like alien soldier and guardian heroes.

>>713131313
It's weird but thanks to Switch emulation everything there is playable. I'd love to play that Ketsui port on PC.

Are the Steam Shikigami ports worth anything? How is the accuracy and does it even have a (decent) training or practice mode or anything?

>>713070875 (OP)
is that an android horse girl?

>>713131675
>neutral skip
We're just throwing fighting game terms around and making ourselves look like jackasses now? Ok. Stupid casual.

>>713133213
but you do skip the neuch in graze with the two mechanics. do you even play the game? oh you do, then, stfu

>>713132235
They're fine, although they lack a replay system somehow

>>713111332
thanks for keeping this up to date

>>713074435
Yeah there is, in some games you move slower while firing, and also when you play for score sometimes you will only damage a big enemy then stop shooting then defeat it a bit later, also in some games your shot gets weaker if you use it too much and you might to not hold it all the time
So usually you want to hold the button but its not 100% of the time

Why do you fags spend more time talking about games than you do playing them? Like, who the fuck plays Shmup and doesn't have any 1CCs? You niggers are AI posters

>>713122632
Devil Blade Reboot

>memoslop: the genre
lol

>>713135091
but enough about mork

>>713122632
There are more non-anime shmups with Space Ships, Copters, etc than there are anime-shmup games? You're on a weebsite so what do you expect. Also most shmups with anime are just the artwork, you still pilot a ship and only see animeshit outside the gameplay

>>713135494
there you are!

>>713135703
Kek

>Touhou
Easy
>Dodonpachi
Easy
>Puzzle Bobble 2
I kneel

https://youtu.be/CWetBTWrpkE?si=gN8xPAhG-sjR_JDK
Post best shmup OSTs

What's the KOFXIII of shmups?

A generally alright/good, but not the best, release by an experienced developer, but has extremely great presentation values. Attaches a bunch of secondaries who've never played the games, and only wank off to the sprite artwork of it. Also has a bunch of tourists who want the other games in this series to "go back to this game", despite the game itself having a lot of non-traditional things it did for the series.

Metal Slug not allowed as an answer.

>>713137878
there's a literal kof shmup game bro

>>713137878

>>713139115
You have to search using kana to even find a 1CC run of Sky Stage on YouTube anon. And it's a 2-loop game, so it's shit by default.

>>713137878
Honestly, the correct answer is any CAVE game. CAVE games are literally everything you mentioned.
But if you want to think of non-Cave.....
>Can't be Metal Slug
Faggot. Anyway...
>Big Think
I seriously don't know. The current trend right now is Psyvariar slop. But those games don't have the wank graphics so I really don't know- NIER AUTOMATA. Yes, Nier Automata is about 70% Shmup 30% Action Game JRPG and it fits all the categories you mention.

test

What do the intellectual giants of /v/ think of Kaiken? I don't think I've ever seen anyone talk about it here but it looks cool.

>>713135091
>Like, who the fuck plays Shmup and doesn't have any 1CCs?
Me, a gaming masochist.
I 1CC'd Karous, but that game is abnormally easy for a STG, so I don't always count it.

>>713141015
the zakichi game?
it's cool although he really likes making ships so powerful you can just speed kill bosses it's funny like that

>>713106502
Another anon here. As a SH and Night Striker fan, it's pretty great.
It's more of a Night Striker clone in terms of level design and gimmicks, but has Space Harrier visuals so that's still cool with me.
I didn't like the slow-mo ability shit, but 95% of the game is designed and easily manageable without it, so whatever.
But one thing I have to rant about, is the dev signed up EXA label deal, so for those uninitiated, EXA is an arcade reseller (one of former MAME contributers that tried to fuck with them with C&D over Cave deals) that sings up deals with STG devs, makes exclusive revision of the game (usually new game modes, new music, other small improvements) and puts them only on their DRM infested arcade platform (where a cart is usually $2000).
Keep in mind,Asura The Striker doesn't have analog stick control (which of course SH and Night Striker had) and EXA just confirmed their version will have it, so basically the Steam owners can get fucked over with any future potential updates for the game lol.

>>713137478
>not counterstopping Bubble Bobble

>>713141693
forgive me if this is an errant comment, but i just tried the asura demo cuz of this thread and i was able to use the analog stick on my controller just fine?

>>713143259
Nah, I guess I didn't explain it correctly.
Asura doesn't have true analog controls, meaning if you push up, it will be at 100% intensity, meaning it uses digital 0 or 1.
So if you had a flight stick, then no matter how you yank it, you would always move to the furthest edge point of the screen.

Morks Dark Ages video is when I finally stopped watching anything from him
It's clear he genuinely doesn't know anything outside of shmups and even then he's ignorant
His dark ages video was nonstop seething about bullshit literally provably wrong, and seething about granular difficulty options

Almost had another shitclear 1-all on UD. I don't what is going on but I died on both stages 3 and 4. I can normally no-miss until stage 5 but I just couldn't.

>>713143679
Mark is a bit weird of a gamer in general. He's a COD kiddie that never had an interest in games, and only played because his older brother did.
Somehow he winded up with this SCHMUP persona of all things and mostly just paraphrases stuff from his friend, boghog, since the guy made some STGs and likes beat em ups and stuff.

I don't know who you guys are always talking about but I know I watch Aktane and his Kumite Shmup videos are awesome because you get to play side by side with other people. it's the closest thing to couch coop these days. I wish I could get my friends to do stuff like that

For me it's Mork claiming to be a third strike and VF veteran despite no one in either community ever hearing of him

>>713144114
Yeah. it's hard to do couch coop at all nowadays. Most people got so mindbroken by companies that I have a friend that refuses to play games emulated (he's okay with paying nintendo online sub though). It's just fucking crazy, I even tried sending pre-configured emulator package to play with him, so all he had to do was launch the game and he still didn't want to.
I kind of miss 360 XBLA, pretty much all arcade games like cave stuff or treasure had online coop, it's crazy to think that nowadays nearly no arcade games have built in online coop and you have to use parsec or steam remote play.

>>713144504
I coop every few months with a friend through parsec and that about it

Steam Summer Sale Shmup grabs anyone?

>shmupfags keep proclaiming their genre as super brutally tough and not for casuals
>I'm having trouble with some games and ask for specific advice on certain sections and bosses
>get told "shoot them lol" or "there's no advice to give, just get good"
Total fucking meme community

>>713144972
try NOT asking /v/ next time - home of the no play

>>713145031
>can't ask /v/
>can't ask /vr/ because the games are too new

>>713145071
go to system 11 or the discord

>the discord
lmao just lmao

>>713145071
Responses and discussion on /vr/ are exactly the same. Because it is the same people.

>>713132186
You actually can play the port, but you'll need certain PS4 sysmodules, and the volume is weirdly low. I think it also crashes after you clear the game. Not perfect, but I didn't notice any visual fuckups at least.

>>713144972
Sounds like those guys are shitters. There are shmup forums with veterans and regulars alike.
>super brutally tough and not for casuals
It varies with what games you're talking about. Some are easy and can take you under a day to clear, some can take you a month or a year. Pretty much how much time you practice and how good your routing is.

>>713083530
You forgot your Eiki image

>>713144972
All communities are like that. The people who find enjoyment in the games actually play the games and don't hang around in the discord all day. Getting them to respond to your posts will take insane luck on timing. The people who just need a "community" to leach human interaction from are always going to make up the majority of interaction and so they'll bury your questions in nonsense and convince you to fuck off so they can get back to their weird furry grooming goon discussions.

>>713075610
>finally download the touhou collection
>beat Mystic Square
>just okay
>try a few other games
>some are a little better, others worse
Touhou's music is great and the little interactions are cute, but it was like playing Chicken Invaders without rest. Still good, but more like a solid 7/10 game rather than the 10/10 series everyone led me to believe.
I feel the fan content is what really creates the hype.
If there's a game I should *absolutely* play as "peak" touhou, let me know.

>>713144491
based

>>713146547
Mystic Square has some of the worst visibility out there. Other touhou games aren't like it. White bullets on light blue and dark blue backgrounds with white and blue enemies.

>>713146547
15 has some bullshit, but it's sort of unique in a sense. There's two characters who have bombs which can trivialize many segments, and ZUN designed the game based on I Wanna Be The Guy, so he added a Pointdevice mode to allow players to tackle individual sections. Obviously the game was balanced around this rather than the Legacy mode, but those two characters (Sanae, Reisen) are ridiculous enough that it's arguably not the hardest Touhou game to 1CC.
12.8 (Fairy Wars) focuses on Cirno. You freeze stuff, and the timing does matter. It's probably my favorite Touhou for gameplay because it has a fun gimmick.
I consider Mystic Square one of the best Touhou games for the atmosphere and boss fights. It feels like a finale to the era, whereas Scarlet Devil feels a lot smaller in scale and somehow uglier. 15 goes back to feeling large in scale because it kind of is. 11 is not too bad either if you haven't tried it yet, but it and 15 are really the highlights of everything after 10. 20 may be good.

>>713145121
>discord
which discord?

i played zaxxon and i hated it
viewpoint is a million times better than zaxxon

>>713105141
get gud

I wish SHMUPs did more with their story
The gameplay itself always involves some great feats but the reason as to why were doing all that boils down to
>You're saving humanity from aliens
Dialogue during gameplay could help with that, or maybe SHMUPs should feature both a story and an arcade mode similar to fighting games

>>713148543
While it's not a one-size fits all approach, Zero Ranger did things well.
>intro and attract sequence to set up the basic premise
>backstory drops after game overs once you reach certain points
>a few short cutscenes during stages
>visual storytelling here and there
>story only sequences towards the end
>once the story is complete it gets stripped down the bare minimum for arcade play

Quick give me something to play right now. Anything I can access quick and easy without paying.

Casuals will say shmups are known for being hard and unfair and nobody can get into them and then praise Dark Souls for being hard when it should also be hard to get into
You definitely can get into shmups, easy ones do exist

>>713147673
Zaxxon is a lot more fun on the arcade machine with the flight stick.
Viewpoint is cool and has great music but it's way too bullshit to be worth attempting seriously.

>>713148543
hellsinker

>>713149728
>Viewpoint is cool and has great music but it's way too bullshit to be worth attempting seriously.
S H I T T E R

>>713149836
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Deal with it.

Did anyone watch the Shmup E3
https://www.youtube.com/live/UuvA4VMYZQ0?si=Dba_5QlZoqrWy7xt

>>713149953
so you are a shitter and you are proud of it
FUCK YOU

>>713145374
Oh damn, I forgot PS4 emulation was coming along that well. I'll try it out, thanks for letting me know. I was amazed Switch emulation is as good as it is.

>>713150170
You can't even play Zaxxon. You're no different.

>>713148543
Shmups and large-scale story never works, cutscene or long dialogue in-between stages drags and fucks with the pacing, even if it's skippable I can never get invested because it gets annoying as soon as the lore dump starts. Short banters between characters are fine, but anything outside of that do it outside of the game.
DDP SDOJ is an exception though, it was a good idea to make the "story mode" into a different mode from the arcade mode, and make the conversation happen while playing.
You can turn your brain-off if you don't want to hear it, and when I want to consume lore I can listen to it like a podcast while I'm practicing the run (rip sub fags though).

>>713149678
So much for that I'm going to bed now.
Not even the shmup thread wants people to play shmups.

>>713149678
https://xxgameroom.itch.io/edens-aegis

>>713150089
forgot to post pic

>>713150089
Yeah, both days and the gaijin sections where they spill spaghetti were dreadful. One jap even came in to make fun of them and just spoke in a typical westerner broken accent lol.
Besides that, there were really no brand new announcements outside of exa stuff.

Today I will play Shmups, I promise!

>>713148543
I wish Caladrius pc port was good...

>>713111850
You will never have good taste.

>>713148543
Oh fuck, I recognize that artist. I should get on this one.

>>713137817
https://youtu.be/z5_L4yDDhHM

https://youtu.be/4nzbL7kvhBk

>>713150762
I've always had this feeling that shmups and other arcade formats are great for telling the story of a great raid or battle through the mechanics and visuals, but the meat and potatoes of a full story are best suited for a VN format that has a long prologue and long epilogue. Disinterested players can skip it entirely, but people who really want to know what's going on during the fight will have a huge wealth of lore and narrative to sink their teeth into.

That being said there HAS to be a way to marry shmup gameplay and storytelling in a way that ZeroRanger hasn't already done

>>713153498

>>713122632
>hate anime
Wrong website faggot

>>713153498
>long prologue and long epilogue
its just as bad as long dialogue between levels, prologue you just want to play the game, epilogue why would you want something that drags forever when the game is done
>Disinterested players can skip it entirely, but people who really want to know what's going on during the fight will have a huge wealth of lore and narrative to sink their teeth into.
Disinterested or not it's hard to get into the narrative if it was implemented terribly, I'm down for a good narrative in games but if they were just going to lore dump at the start and end of the game I'm just going to skip that shit, and I'd be annoyed that the devs wasted time on something that's badly implemented.

>>713153498
>there HAS to be a way to marry shmup gameplay and storytelling in a way ZeroRanger hasn't done
Rayforce and Terra Diver

>>713153498
>That being said there HAS to be a way to marry shmup gameplay and storytelling in a way that ZeroRanger hasn't already done
I literally pointed out SDOJ. That said as much as I liked Saya mode and didn't hate the story, it was nothing more than a nice icing on a cake and that seems like the general conscience in the community too.
In the end the genre is a gameplay-focused genre, your idea is nothing new and it just didn't stick because it's not going to break the ground, and it never will.

>>713154307
more like
wrong weabsite
haha

>>713154905
>In the end the genre is a gameplay-focused genre
I'm aware, and that's why I'm also skeptical about long sequences before and after. The issue is that shmups have very hard vibes and interesting narrative premises that ultimately go nowhere or end in some anticlimactic platitude or "you earned it" cutscene. there's a huge missed opportunity to think about how to naturally weave a story into this format while also still having an arcade mode that focuses on the gameplay alone.
one thing i've noticed is that shmup players are never content not playing a game they don't like alone. it's as though experimenting with the format is met with hostility even though rejection via shunning would be enough. as a result, i feel like a lot of even mechanical discussions about shmups end in every party involved getting mad at a game that doesn't adhere to an incredibly narrow format.

>>713155276

>>713155276
That was terrible.

>>713155328
It's just ridiculous to write an epic in game that's nothing more than a 30 minute of fun bleep bloop, it's like saying "what if super mario bros (1985) but it had deep story like the last of us"
>it's as though experimenting with the format is met with hostility even though rejection via shunning would be enough
Some people sure, but grouping entire industry/community to be "never wanting to experiment" is a stupid accusation.
Did you check the shmup E3 thingy they did a week ago? There were a lot of super experimental shooters, way more experimental than your idea of "what if shmup but story"
I think your idea is getting clowned because it's literally nothing new but you pretend you are bringing something new to the table. I think you should explore more on new releases of the genre yourself (you know, outside of pseudo-nostalgia indie like Zero Ranger) instead of blaming the community.

>>713155828
>way more experimental than your idea of "what if shmup but story"
>I think your idea is getting clowned because it's literally nothing new but you pretend you are bringing something new to the table.
I think you think I'm married to the idea of long exposition. I'm saying that like with other genres, there has to be a way to make a shmup that can use mechanics as well as traditional storytelling elements to craft a story that is neither intrusive nor pushed to the side.
>It's just ridiculous to write an epic in game that's nothing more than a 30 minute of fun bleep bloop
in my experience, i've always felt in tune with the world aesthetic and vibe in my favorite shmups. esperade is clunky but the visuals and framing alone are enough to make me crave more of the world and characters

the fucking airplane shooty bang bang genre does not sneed a story you CHUD stop it

2hu has a story but you CHUDS refuse to acknowledge it

this genre needs to be more like Undertale CHUDS

>>713156415
I like world building of some shmups too but I think they are perfect to just keep it vague, there's no need to make it into a tv show that'd be corny

Yeah, next time you will say Blue Archive is Shmups

>>713073540
Mushi's cool I love that level where you're on the giant war bug the whole time and the mantis caves are top tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQeGej8-Ls&list=PLyF5s1LyQNIe1s34PN3b4HsCHk1DIhpdy

You haven't experienced true shmupping until you try Twinkle Star Sprites but without slowdown.

>>713146547
Pre EoSD toehoes are shit games. Some fags pretend to like them to feel unique but they're only worth playing for the music
6, 7, 8 are usually considered "peak"
10 is the best looking / sounding one
11 and 15 are the favorites among CBT fans

>>713159280
11 isn't that bad. It's the last good Touhou. 15 is shit though.

>>713146547
>7/10 game rather than the 10/10 series everyone led me to believe
As a shmup it is a 7/10 series, it's highly regarded more-so because it's developed by 1 guy yet it has consistent release and consistent quality, even non-indie shmups tend to go on a decade-long hiatus or have a huge ups and downs in the quality, consistent stream of games he pumps out is impressive.
It's easier to get invested in the world and the characters if the games were consistent, and it's probably the reason why the fan content blew up. It is good, but it's not a series that you'd go with high expectation.
Also leave 1-5 unless you are a hardcore fan, PC98 titles were kinda like programming practice for ZUN, and there's a reason why he separated the cannon by resetting the story in 6.

>>713159820
More like 5/10. It's seriously bad compared to other shmups, but not completely unplayable either.

>>713160025
Well yea regardless of score, 2hu games are just OK, it's a decent series if you see it as a spaghetti and meatball instead of expecting a fine Italian cuisine
Especially when shmup IPs tend to go all over the place, getting remastered remaked sequeled by random ass dev team everytime, and sometimes getting put into vault never to see a light of day
Sometimes it's comforting to play a series where you can tell that it has been developed by a single guy with almost no change in quality for over a decade

BOMBER!

>As a shmup it is a 7/10 series
>More like 5/10
This is why you get raided and shat on by touhou niggers all the time. Get real

>>713163007
troonhoufags started it thoughever...

>>713163007
5-7 out of 10 is not bad, also they hate us because we actually play the game

>>713163219
No you don't you engage petty feminine circlejerks about
>oh my gosh it's like so bad
>it's not a real shmup mkay?
This is the same behavior you see from WoW-killer fans and all those 2nd rate chink gachas that are mad about Genshin Impact
Niggle me this batman, why would a touhou fag that doesn't play his game even care to defend or shitpost the gameplay?
You get shitposted because these threads reek of inferiority complex and that shit feeds the trolls

how can you tell if a shmup has good level design? is it the way enemy waves flow into the level or something?

>>713163792
I'm no expert, I just like when I get to dodge boolet
If boolet isn't fun to dodge then it's not fun
Although if a game has a gimmick, the level design should play into it to make sure it's worth a shit

>>713163792
If I personally like the level design, then it is good.
If I personally don't like it, then it is bad.

irem games are kino

>>713148543
There's a literal Story focus Shmup called Yurukill and shmup players hate it because its Story focus.

Have fun anon! You'll be the games biggest fan!!!!

thoughts on akiragoya?

>>713164956
What are your thoughts

>>713163575
Shitposters always flock to recurring threads, doesn't matter what the topic is about, there is always some butthurt schizo who for one reason or another really doesn't want people to discuss it.
And that's /v/ so you always get enough newfags ready to feed every troll, nothing much you can do about it other than enjoying when the threads are actually doing something fun.

>>713163792
In very general terms, good level design is when combine various kinds of obstacles(including enemy formations, behavior, attack patterns and things like walls) to create unique and challenging situations but with familiar elements that might be introduced earlier in the stage or the game as a whole, so the player doesn't feel like it's a bullshit trial-and-error trap taking advantage of them just not knowing what's coming, but at the same time it should still prove difficult to overcome due to the layout.
It's hard to find a game that has ONLY good stage design or only bad stage design mind you, for instance I think DOJ generally has good stages but the second part of stage 3 is a big exception due to trial-and-error bullshit: it spawns an enemy type you have never seen before and the first thing they do is shitting out bullet walls able to trap you if you were in a bad position, then the same thing happens later with some bigger enemies having two attacks based on your distance iirc, one of them being a fast spread instantly killing you if you are in the way.

>>713163575
I was literally defending touhou by giving an actual review, I literally said ITS GOOD
Do you only see the game as 10/10 and anything but as 1/10? Talk about inferiority complex.

>>713148543
> SHMUP Stories
> Turns out that when you beat the Final Boss, you brought back a virus that killed all of humanity, LOL!
> Turns out, your mission was to destroy Earth because it got taken over by clones, LOL!
> Turns out, you're trapped in a time loop that spans the existence of the human race, and the final boss just REALLY hates that corpos keep wrecking the planet. No worries, the cute mascot character will revive the human race when the planet is reset, so you're all good!
>Turns out, you're in a never ending conflict with man-made horror beyond human comprehension! There is no end nor certain victory, they'll always come back, they'll always come back, they'll always come back, they'll always come back, they'll always come back, they'll always come back, they'll always come back....
>Turns out, the local vampire was just being naughty! A good wallop will sort her out!

>>713166194
you can make snark post like that with literally any video games with a story

>>713166280
I actually like when SHMUP stories have over the top twists and surreal plots. It's frames the gameplay and expectations players have about STGs in a neat light. The RaySeries taking advantage of how the player isn't thinking about why they're doing what they do, Radiant Silvergun taking advantage of how games loop, R-Type going ham on the Lovecraft inspiration, etc.

I miss the epic-style SHMUPs you would see in the 32-bit era. Not so much that I think they should be the norm, but I do appreciate the flavor the brought tot he genre.

>>713164269

>>713165947
Calling something 7/10 like this is even more femenine than what the other fag did
>we're all highly esteemed individuals here and all our games are good, and now that I demonstrated the morality and depth of my character, I can use it as a stepping stone to imply me preffered thing is even better
Comes off like something a pompous prick from California would say to pat himself on the back.
Frankly I don't think Mystic Square even deserves a 7/10 but instead of calling that fag out you niggers immediately tried to downplay the entire series to make yourselves look better. How sad is that?

>>713166849
Maybe people just have different opinions on the games you know. What exactly do you want? People to only use "it's a masterpiece" or "it's unsalvageable dogshit"?

>>713167212
That's not your actual opinion, you're just doing the reddit thing

>>713167309
And I think you are just mad a mid shmup series is not getting universal praise among players who probably have touched more than one game of the same genre in their lives.

>>713075667
This looks like shit.

>>713167423
>mid shmup series
>touched more than one game of the same genre in their lives
See, we're getting closer now
Next time just say your real opinion outright instead of covering it in redditor slime

>>713144491
>despite no one in either community ever hearing of him
That's fair howeverbeit. Someone is allowed to enjoy game in private.

>>713167621
So you don't accept people saying 5-7/10 but accept "mid"
what the fuck?

>>713167621
Not even the same anon. I'm sure the one who called it a 7/10 actually likes it but realizes there are many better games in the genre and has a lot of objective flaws.

>>713167943
Both >mid and >5/10 are the same thing, it's just a low quality dismissive opinion unless it's substantiated. It's definitely not a good post but 4chan is filled with this, who cares
>compared to other shmups
>As a shmup
>they hate us because we actually play the game
This is the actual purpose behind making those dogshit posts: to pat themselves on the back. Just WoW-killer syndrome plain and simple. Redditor behavior, pathetic, etc

>>713146705
>>713146863
>>713159280
>>713159820
Thank you for your advice, anons.
I'll be sure to check out those titles!
Louise did nothing wrong.

I thought it would be nearly impossible to have shmup shitposters. I thought shmup was one of the most "literally who?" Nonexistent genre in gaming because you never see anyone talking about or praising them outside of the shmup circles. Yet somehow /v/ has the biggest shmup shitposters and haters in the history of mankind lmao

>>713169595
It's /v/, you can't go multiple threads without retards showing up.
That said, I don't t think shmups got memory holed yet, it's a genre that everyone knows it's there but you hardly get any chance to have it as the actual topic.

>>713168843
Not sure anon. If people play enough games, and they try something else in that same genre, they are bound to make comparisons to what they like.
Touhou is 5/10 for me as well. Overall, the music does the heavy lifting, gameplay isn't very engaging, background stage is completely disconnected to the gameplay (haven't tried past 16, might be wrong for later titles). On a more technical side, later games past IN have this weird full screen scaling problem for me that makes things look jagged, really awful. Sprites look kinda mediocre, and 16 for me was extremely fucking bad when it comes to stage readability.

>>713169721
>everyone knows it's there
I disagree. Outside of certain games like R-Type Final 2 getting the PS5 spotlight thanks to VR support I have never heard a shmup game selling even 1 million copies that isn't some hybrid like nier automata

>touhou players be like...

>>713170012
I'm not talking about sales, but you have mentioned an example of shmups getting some sort of acknowledgement through hybrids or these games with bullet hell patterns. And obviously Touhou is somewhat known to this day.

there's nothing left to experiment with in this genre, they're all the same game. i guess you could add roguelite elements or rpg elements.

>>713170132
I think the biggest issue with shmups is them all being 2d spritework that no one appreciates anymore. But bigger than that is the design flaw of them being stuck to a small narrow screen when they're vertical. Like how come no one has mastered the 16:9 aspect ratio?

>>713170349
>Like how come no one has mastered the 16:9 aspect ratio
>>713111305
>>713112245

>>713170349
You have some shmups with 3D graphics, but it's one of those genres where readability is very crucial and that's easier with 2D than 3D.
As for the aspect ratio, it's because you generally want to see the whole screen so being wide doesn't lead to better gameplay.

What to play while I wait for Platypus: Reclayed?

>>713166849
I mean it's not a terrible series but not a masterpiece either. I'm kinda suprised that you'd sperg out over that least controversial opinion, even actual 2hu fans I know don't think it's the best game either, but they like the franchise because it has a decent quality, which is a fine reason to like the series.
You could say it's masterpiece as a franchise as I pointed out the regular stream of games, books and spin-off by the guy is impressive if that helps your autism of things needing to be god's gift or absolute shit.

>>713169934
>gameplay isn't very engaging
Sounds like normal is too easy for you.
Beginners that start with Touhou really like it because of the way TH6 teaches the fundamentals through gameplay.
- stage 2 boss kills noobs over and over until they learn to redirect attacks
- stage 3 throws a really tight slow moving wall at you that necessitates focuesed movement and figuring out the size of your hitbox
- stage 4 boss has the lazer thing that trips up everyone until they figure out you're supposed to unfocus and dodge into it
- stage 5 throws absolutely horrifying walls of aimed projectiles that can be dodged with a single step, then does an attack that is very easy if you stand still, and straight up impossible if you still somehow do unnecessary movements when nothing is happening
The only major technique it doesn't do a very good job of explaining is streaming, but TH10 has a pretty good boss just for that
You obviously wouldn't enjoy any of this if it's too easy for you, do an extra stage or play on lunatic.

Bomba~

>>713171986
What you just described is a normal shmup, and I think the problem with Touhou is less to do with difficulty, it's just that it's too good at being a basic shmup, that nothing really excels beyond being a basic shmup
Even with titles with experimental features core gameplay is the same, gamespeed is not too fast or slow, nor it doesn't have crazy scoring system.
If it ain't broke don't fix it is true, but it's not going to be memorable and be your "only one" if it didn't have a feature that excelled at one thing even if other elements were lackluster.

>>713135091
>Why do you fags spend more time talking about games
that's not me, I always miss these threads. I've been off /v/ for a while year even
I have 1CC on the easiest games but my favorite ones are just extremely hard and I'm not autistic enough to just keep playing them for 1000 hours

I'm trying to z-rank zeroranger and it's making me want to kill myself

>>713175268
>but my favorite ones are just extremely hard and I'm not autistic enough to just keep playing them for 1000 hours
If you like to keep playing them, eventually it will happen.
Consider watching a replay if you are hard stuck and really don't know how to do a certain section.

what does "console shmup" mean? the way people say it make it sounds like its a design rather than simply meaning literal on console

>Routing heavy game
>Has shit training or practice options

Why even bother?

>>713150243
i can play zaxxon just fine but viewpoint is way better
>>713164269
gallop is a good game
air duel is just trash

>>713175843
Guess they mean shmups that don't have typical arcade design because they were made for console, even if many arcade ones also got console ports.

>>713174514
>What you just described is a normal shmup
No it's not, wtf are you smoking.
I never even learned to stand still while playing "normal shmups" because the games barely give you any time to breathe
>speed
>scoring
>gimmicks
Literary who gives a fuck?
Touhou is just a different approach to gameplay, all there is to it really.

>>713176457
>Touhou is just a different approach to gameplay
The approach being making it as unengaging as possible for anyone but complete beginners?

>>713137878
Ikaruga. Widely known as the normalfag shmup

>>713176637
The approach is giving you level-appropriate puzzles to solve, that improve overal skills and give long-term satisfaction instead of faking difficulty by performing a coordinated attack on the player's blood sugar levels
If dificulty is the problem then stop being a pussy and increase it, what's wrong with you?

>>713152995
it is good tho or at least it seemed good to me, what's wrong with it?

>>713170761
Gradius II
Salamander 2
Thunder Cross II
Thunder force IV
X Multiply

>>713177236
Any that doesn't require emulation and works natively with WangBlows?

>>713177127
> that improve overal skills
Explains why you suck at other shmups to the point of thinking they are "faking difficulty".

>>713177664
>too much of a bitch to increase the difficulty
>scofs at the idea of learning and improvement
poser

>>713178158
Implying I want to play that trash in the first place.

>>713173965
cute hinaaa

>>713177623
Just download the rompack that was posted itt, what issues do you have?

>credit feed and the game is impossible to lose
>1CCing is more often tedious than fun
I hate this fucking genre so much. The gameplay is fun but the challenge comes from self-imposed challenges.

Also unrelated but everyone venerates Crimzon Clover and DDP but for some reason I just bounce off hard on these games. I feel absolutely nothing when playing them.

>>713178386
nobody cares
shut the fuck up

>>713178386
Take it in steps.
Like 1cc to stage 2, then 1cc to stage 3, then 1cc to stage 4, and you get the idea. The tedium comes from wanting to speedrun the final objective instead of slowly mastering the game until you can just do that on a good day. I would say that you shouldn't even care about it, let it happen naturally as you get better by playing more. If the game doesn't hold your interest for long enough for you to achieve that, then just drop it and maybe go back to it another time.

>>713178386
I care. Keep talking. Now that other guy is cancelled out.

>>713178386
How do you approach those games?
Because playing them with the simple focus of hoping to do a 1cc on the first try is never a good idea.

>>713178227
>7/10 it's pretty good but real shmups are better
>5/10 it's mid
>I don't hate it, it's just too similar to the games I like
>its players are the problem
>actually it's trash and I never wanted to play it in the first place
Beautiful

>>713176094
cope and seethe

>>713179254
>anyone who "disagrees" with me is the same person
>including somebody giving it a positive rating
And some say touhoufags aren't maximum schizo.

>>713178881
>The tedium comes from wanting to speedrun the final objective instead of slowly mastering the game until you can just do that on a good day.
You may be right. Thing is that I feel like if I play for a few days here and there instead of grinding it out I'm never gonna achieve the goal I set out for. Wish I knew how to pace myself properly.

>>713179208
I don't expect to do it on my first try. Luckily I'm not that impatient and unreasonable. I enjoy the process of slowly mastering each stage and turning situations that felt impossible into possible. It's just bringing it all together into one consistent package always feels like a marathon run.

I think playing these games in isolation could also be an issue. Think I should try and find a community of other people who enjoy shmups. The friendly competition and sharing other peoples' milestones and victories might add more flavor to the experience.

>>713179763
Did you tried using bombs in your routes?

>>713179478
If practice mode or save states are available, it's a good idea to repeat sections you struggle with daily, aiming at doing it well at least more than once. That doesn't take too long and it's very efficient at drilling a route in your brain.
Otherwise just a few run attempts where you focus on doing well for your current objective, then eventually add more stages until the goal is literally the entire game.

Whenever I got a 1cc of anything I used either one of these. Note that in both cases you are still learning step-by-step instead of trying to clear on each attempt.

>>713179361
air duel sucks
if you want to shill irem at least mention image fight not fucking air duel

>>713179429
>7/10 it's pretty good but real shmups are better
This was obviously only included for the joke
The rest are all you, the entire reply chain starting from >>713168843 has 1 response each, nobody else would read all this dogshit and butt-in without announcing it, you just felt personally attacked and kept seething
This spergout started with me accusing you faggots of being dishonest slimy redditor snakes, and what did you do? That's right, proved me right in every possible manner.
As I already said 100 posts ago, if you wanna talk shit do it openly

>>713179863
imo is better to use the least amount of bombs possible during practice so when you actually try to clear the game you have enough to bail out from mistakes.

the ketsui shitter is giving advice in this thread
great

Marion a slut

>>713180356
>The rest are all you
Guess what, you are wrong.
>nobody else would read all this dogshit and butt-in without announcing it
That's how anonymous imageboards work.
>if you wanna talk shit do it openly
I talk shit about touhou very openly, but guess what, not everyone is the same person who holds exactly the same opinions on the games.

Ketsui? Where?

Refrain was pretty good, I still don't know how to get to the real final boss tho, oh well.

>>713179863
Yeah, although I won't pretend I'm a master at it yet as bombing is its own skill or muscle that needs to be trained. Some of the games I 1cc'd so far have been via strategic hoarding of bombs and then spending them liberally on the challenging parts where I never got consistent enough to simply dodge to survive.

>>713180083
Save states helped me 1cc Darius Gaiden. Unfortunately a lot of the games I own don't have this feature. I do use them whenever possible.

>>713180706
That reminds me, you can usually tell CAVE games apart with their aesthetics or bullet sprites, including shapes and color, but Ketsui felt like they decided it's not going to be a Dodonpachi game at the last minute.

>>713180562
>why yes, I jumped into an ongoing conversation to make people that share my opinion look as bad as possible
no you didn't, cope and seethe

>>713181150
I jumped to call you a schizo actually

>>713116020
I cleared old Hyper a year ago but DA Parallel is 2hard4me.

>>713131313
I wasn't even able to play any of the new Radirgy games since they're all delisted from the eShop, thankfully they play fine on Yuzu. Consoles suck.
>>713131549
360 is gradually becoming irrelevant, the only cave games left are Futari, Pink Sweets and Muchi Muchi Pork. I absolutely loathe 360 emulation and I don't want to get one for less than 10 games, not to mention they're prone to failure and need hardmodding, so I hope they get around to porting them.

>>713131549
I still have Mushihimesama on my switch if that counts

>>713181619
you should try new hyper, stage 5 is much improved.

>>713178248

>>713177154
I don't know if they fixed it, it's been years but
>locked resolution
>limited remapping
>Can't play offline

>>713181754
Both Radirgy games are available physical and I think theyre bringing them to Steam after Karous drops in a few months

>>713153179
Good shootin', good OST and tasteful fanservice
Go get it and enjoy yourself

should i attempt to 1cc blue revolver with other ships?

>>713180706
>will never beat Ketsui
>tfw
This looks straight up impossible

Smup?

>Love using homing weapons
>They let me focus on dodging
>Get bad scores and slow clear times as a result
Playing aggressive is for pros and madmen, a 1CC is a 1CC no matter how sloppy it is

>>713188224
It's more fun though, don't knock until you try it.
Besides if you are using fast and powerful ships there's less stuff to dodge and most of it can be macro'd.

>>713187923
Shump?

I pump credits every time and it's fun

>>713158407
I hope the Switch port is good
Thanks to it, Twinkle Star Sprites is getting its first physical release in a very long time

>>713191060
It's a pretty standard port of the arcade game, but it really sucks that they didn't add an online multiplayer functionality.

>>713128478
Touhou 11 is my favorite, it has the most fun shot types

>>713191690
Best title music too. Maybe best OST.

mork

>>713188224
I find it easier to just kill whatever is trying to kill me as fast as possible

>>713186204
Val my beloved
>tfw she has a Mars Matrix subwep
Kino
I was cheesing the game with Mae's shield for way too long.

>>713193085
Depends on the game but that can be a dominant strategy that makes a stage go from:
>How the hell am I supposed to survive this?
to
>I can kill units before they even shoot, this is easy

I have never played a touhou game and I probably never will. But if I do it'll be touhou shmup slop. Not the old shit but the new slop because I dont feel like going through hoops to play a game from windows 2000 or some shit

>>713194690
All Touhou games anyone cares about work out of the box on a modern machine.

>>713195163
Then it better be on steam or else I'll never play it. Fuck going to some site that'll steal my information and install virus. Not touching nyaa either. Steam sale it better be on Steam

>>713195516
Faggot

>>713195593
*kisses you* now remove your pants anon-kun~<3

>>713195650
Actual fucking faggot.

mork

>>713195696
Unzip or else... I'll get mad. Show me what you're made of. Your pride. I want to see it.

>>713195516
They are

>>713195516
>Not touching nyaa either
The absolute fucking state.
It's time to learn chingchong then because the steam versions are in Japanese.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1100140/Touhou_Fuujinroku__Mountain_of_Faith/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1100150/Touhou_Chireiden__Subterranean_Animism/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/937580/Touhou_Kanjuden__Legacy_of_Lunatic_Kingdom/

so its touhou fags shitting up these thread

>>713196539
Much to no one surprise.
Well, that and some shmupg schizos.

How people 1cc this

>>713196539
They always do in every shmup discussion thread Instead of staying in their discord-tier containment threads.

>>713198010
Like you 1cc every other shmup?

>>713071161
It is indeed.

>>713187923
>>713189383
Sup?

Approaching bump limit after a pretty long time.
But I miss the early sovl in these threads, it's just not the same.

>>713094583
What's this game? Loving the clay style

>>713199524
Platypus Reclayed

Is there another long shmup series like Touhou out there? Genuily curious. I only played Touhou and Treasure games, mostly. Besides that, stuff like Gradius or Parodius.

>>713196681
>shmupg schizos.
your mom is schizophenic

mork

>>713200029
Gradius is probably the biggest, especially if you include Parodius, Salamander and Otomedius. Otherwise it's rare to break the 5 games threshold.

BOMB

mork