Thread 713105464

An ignoble end to arguably THE greatest Western vidya composer's career

>>713105464 (OP)
First mod i'm installing for TES VI is gonna be a SOULE injector mod to replace whatever shit musuc they end up with
God Starfield's OST was ass

>>713105464 (OP)
> greatest composer
most of his soundtracks that I listened to during gaming just blended in and never stood out
What are his most kino ones? Wings of Kyanerth is the only one I still listen to

>>713105464 (OP)
>greatest Western vidya composer's career
I was about to agree with you but then I remembered Soule couldn't write a memorable combat music track to save his own life, which is a sin of galactic proportions for the kind of games he used to work on.
That and the fake and gay rape allegations aside, he hasn't written a single soundtrack worth a damn ever since Skyrim and then went on to scam a few hundred people on Kickstarter before disappearing

>>713105635
>What are his most kino ones?
Through Past and Present
Far Horizons
The Bannered Mare
Nerevar Rising
Peace of Akatosh
Secunda
Bastila Theme
Malak Theme
The Old Republic Theme

Uematsu's sharts are more soulful than Jeremy Souleless' entire discography.

>literally touches little boys
>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but MUH bideo banes!
>he dindunuffin!

>>713106030
elaborate

>>713105464 (OP)
wasn't he back in a new project?

>>713106268
No.

>>713105635
His 'arry Potter soundtracks

>>713106030
Uematsu writes bombastic prog pieces and Soule writes orchestral ambient tracks.

They’re not even remotely comparable and are both masters of their respective genre of music.

>>713106392
>bombastic prog pieces
Most of his music is fairly simple in instrumentation and harmony (not like that's a bad thing) and also in 4/4

>>713106392
more composers need to start writing "bombastic prog" again, orchestral ambient is so fucking overdone it's unreal

What is stopping him to continue his career as an independent artist?
Though I remember reading a little while ago that he was now trying to work on movies

>>713106691
>What is stopping him to continue his career as an independent artist?
Same thing stopping Avellone from being prominent again despite winning his lawsuit. Their reputation is gone, sad as it is.
>he was now trying to work on movies
I remember reading somewhere he does private music lessons nowadays

>>713105635
he is kinda bland but if you wanna learn how to make basic vidya soundtracks he is definitely a go-to source for high production value.

his best stuff is probably
>Secret of Evermore
>Neverwinter Nights
>KotoR

Mind you, only SoM is really original work. The others are good because they blend well with the environment they were created for.
KotoR is obviously using lots of star wars motifs and NWN is like the stuff that Michael Hoenig did for BG1/2 except more boring.
It's really not that he is bad or anything, but if you go and listen to his Mists of Pandaria tracks, and put them right next to the stuff that Jason Hayes and Glenn Stafford did, the melodies are just too much by the book.


His actual masterstroke, and the thing that probably landed him a real career, is the use of that fuckin horn in the morrowind soundtrack you hear in literally every other one of his soundtracks from then on.
Some of the Guild Wars 2 tracks aren't too bad either.
He also did Dark Alliance 1/2, which are again pretty good DnD soundtracks.

Anyway,
Frank Klepacki and Uematsu clap his ass out of the bathwater

The early especially because of his range

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcEaff1eRL0
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3PNgGP7GN0

Same composer

>>713106889
But Avellone is coming back, I believe he's confirmed in a few project and he also worked on two games since 2020.
There's some arguably worst people including actual terrible bastards who somehow managed to bounce back (including some unrepentant ones), even if it's not as the same level, it's probably possible for someone to keep working

>>713107049
>KotoR
Seriously? Besides maybe 3 tracks most of it sounds like a bunch of NN reject tracks not at all fit to be in a Star Wars game. It might actually be one of his weakest works.
Honestly, Mark Griskey did a much better job with music in KOTOR2.

>>713105464 (OP)
>arguably
reddit thread

>>713106889
>Their reputation is gone, sad as it is.
Do you not understand what independent means?

>>713107606
Wasn't Soule always independent? He was never an inhouse composer for any corpo, well maybe very early in his career

>>713105464 (OP)
It's gonna suck so hard for TES VI if they go with fucking Inon Zur again instead of Soule. Guy's a one trick jew. Starfield's soundtrack sounded exactly like Fallout 4's.

>>713108114
>Guy's a one trick
So is Soule to be fair

>>713107283
>KotoR

Going by his other work I'd say yes
It's all setting-specific contract work, none of which stands out particularly.
But as far as sci-fi/star wars ambience goes, those tracks are doing a pretty good job.
Could be that I have heard Kotor2 tracks and mixed them into my judgement as well though.

I have only listend to the OST.
I haven't played Kotor.
I thought it was gay.


pic related is another game with a much better sci fi ost
Even the less than successful sequel which continued a lot of the motifs

>>713105464 (OP)
That's not Martin O'Donnell.

>>713105464 (OP)
Being the greatest video game composer is like being the tallest midget.

Being the best of the C tier composers is not that big a flex.

>>713108241
>Being the best of the C tier composers is not that big a flex.
Post your favourite composer

>>713107742
But he could still open a page and make new songs, see if people are willing to support him still or not
some actual scum who are talented still manage to live that way, he probably still could get some people to support him (even if the pay would be lower obviously)

>>713105464 (OP)
That's Lorien Testard now, boomer

>>713105559
>is going to buy ES6
>I just need to add my soul mod, my good game design mod, my graphics overhault mod, my todd howard tip mod
KILL YOURSELF NOW!!!!!

>>713108241
>Being the best of the C tier composers is not that big a flex.

Counterpoint:
Koji Kondo is probably more talented than any of the slop dealers you listen to.

>b-b-but

Shut up
Gusty Garden Galaxy
And that's not even the stuff he is known for.

>>713106091
Retarded nigger.

>>713105464 (OP)
If next TES game doesn't have him it will be souless...

>>713105464 (OP)
Saying you are the best video game " composer" is like saying you do the best elevator music

>>713108786
No need to announce yourself.

>>713108410
Beethoven.
Check and fucking mate.

>>713108758
You are a video game fan.
You are not a music fan.

Your opinion is ill informed and based on far too narrow a set of criteria.
You are literally not worth talking to about this.

>>713110383
>Shithoven
Opinion discarded, kill yourself

>>713110849
Says the anon trying to defend some nobody. Your lack of musical knowledge probably stems from your public education.
It is not your fault you are uncultured swine so take solace in that fact.

>>713108162
Oh shit, this is the title I was looking for
I remembered this space nigga game that was called Out- something and couldn't find it

>>713107049
>Secret of Evermore
imagine the talent of this motherfucker. Straight out of college, put out a demo disc and immediately get contracted by fucking Square as their first western composer ever.

>>713111071
>pretentious self-aggrandizing gibberish
Reddit is that way, faggot

>>713110612
nice dismissive non-arguments homo
what if i am a video game fan AND a music fan?

i know you are just a fag trying to stir up shit

>>713111216
Fucking hillbilly. No wonder the world hates Americans.
You are far too proud about wallowing in your own shit.
You sicken me.

>>713111198
unfortunately it's his most creative work

>>713105464 (OP)
I like his secret of evermore stuff.

>>713111509
>>713111640
Limitations breed creativity

>>713111429
Then you are far better at being a video game fan than being a music fan.
If I am being generous I will ask you to find 5 composers from video games that can, collectively, match John Williams resume.
You might find one who has had his music played in concerts as much as Williams 10th most popular soundtrack. I doubt it.

The thing is Williams is B tier as a composer.
The next step down from video games is jingles for an advertising agency.

I am dismissive of the work of video game composers because I know enough to be.

What ACTUALLY happened? Why did he just disappear after Skyrim

>>713106091
I'll personally drive a dump truck full of supple pre-lubed youngsters to his door for another Auriel's Ascension.

>>713112002
He got metoo'd

>>713105464 (OP)
>Blocks your path

>>713111908
Post your music, faggot

>>713112336
Such a high price to pay for mediocrity.

>>713112658
You would not be able to enjoy it.
None of the words rhyme.

>>713105464 (OP)
Imagine having your entire life and career destroyed because this fucking thing accused you of rape and provided zero evidence of it.

>>713106664
The Uematsu style is really something only JRPGs do for the most part. They have to have catchy music because their gameplay loop is pretty simple.

A lot of western games go for ambient tracks because they don’t want the music to distract from other things. Soule is the best at this however, because his songs still manage to be memorable and pleasant to listen to on their own. Oblivion and Skyrim both have some of the best western vidya soundtracks ever.

>>713105464 (OP)
His music had soul, even when it wasnt being super bombastic and in your face. Even in games didn't like and have no nostalgia for. Feels like it's been years since Ive even noticed video game music. Just bland and forgettable now

>>713108241
>c-tier composers
Shut your whore mouth bloody bastard

>>713112821
I accept your concession, redditfag

>>713105464 (OP)
It's amazing that he's so highly regarded souley because he actually knows how to layer his string section. That alone puts him above 99% of vidya composers.

>>713113187
As long as you accept your inferiority as well.
Imagine being this proud of such mediocre taste.

>>713113335
He's so highly regarded because for the longest time he was the only one doing it in the west

>>713113441
Post your music

>>713113335
That is the problem. He is competing against AAA talent at best. Not a one if them is ready for the major leagues.

>>713113335
I think it’s because he also remembers to actually have a melody that people can latch onto as well. Just because you’re writing an ambient piece, doesn’t mean it can’t have a melody, and he understands that.

The best western composers are Souls, Jesper Kyd and Tim Folin. They absolutely destroy every other western composer so hard that it isn’t even funny.

>>713113552
I will not cast pearls before swine.
They very thought some redneck with a public education is worthy if hearing my music.

>>713113686
Post your music, faggot

>>713113634
It is like listening to a retard discuss theoretical physics.

>>713113778
You are unworthy. So beg more if you must but know that I would sooner play for an audience of baboons as they have a shot at appreciating it.

>>713113634
>actually have a melody that people can latch onto as well.
Too bad most of his ambient tracks blend together like the most forgettably amorphous thing ever, but the rare occasions when he writes a good melody are truly great

>>713113634
Kyd is great, but I think you're overlooking someone who's score is probably still one of the most iconic today and is one of the major reasons the series became as popular as it was back in the day, which is all the funnier with how he got fucked by Bungie.

>>713113552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYAMAQsXxe4

>>713111908
lol you are such a homo

John Williams is the most popular composer of all time because his work was extremely propped up by the Jewish directors he worked with

He obviously isn't bad, but that's the example you give me for quality?

Okay
Counter point
Fuckin Nobou Uematsu

>b-b-but he wasn't in as many conce-

I dont give a fuck. We are talking about composition here.
We are talking about motifs and proper phrasing
We are talking about complexity and range.

Where is John William's Dracon and Maria?
Didn't make an opera?
Well that's too bad.

If you had said Ennio Morricone, maybe I'd have a harder time finding someone, but this way you just revealed yourself to be an immense pleb.

Next you'll say some gay shit like Hans Zimmer
Who is basically just the Jeremy Soule of the movie sphere


get the fuck out and be gay somewhere else

>>713115349
Williams is pretty exceptional as a composer. His work on the Star Wars OT and PT alone is legendary (which is significant, considering George Lucas isn’t a Jew).

I’ll admit that film composers like Morricone and Francis Lai are better overall, but I wouldn’t throw shade on Williams either.

>>713113958
Post your music, faggot

>>713115808
sure williams is great, but let's be honest:
he's been surfing the same three motifs since the 70s

which ain't really his fault, it's just what he's hired to do all the time, but can you remember a single track from the sequel star wars trilogy?

Maybe rei's theme?
that's basically it


Here is an ironic thing though:
One of the most memorable Disney Slop Star Wars tracks is Krennics Theme.

Which was made by Michael Giacchino
The composer of the original Medal of Honor series.

So here is another example for that gay ass faggot ass bitch ass nigger ass homo anon that was complaining about vidya composers before

>>713108114
TES VI is going to suck regardless if it’s anywhere close to Starfield

>>713108758
I hope Koji Kondo does another OST by himself before he dies. His last OST by himself was Ocarina of Time

>>713108241

0/10 bait from someone whose only connection to music is his mom calling him on the phone

>>713115349
So much anger backed by so much impotence.
The fact you are getting visibly angry shows me calling out your lack of education on this matter stings.
Just stop.
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak removing all doubt

>>713116921
Post your music, faggot

Are there even any modern prolific videogame music composers now? We don't hear about anyone new or upcoming despite them wasting billions of dollars of taxpayers money to make them, which would naturally include the music.

>>713116818
It seems my cultural superiority has caused some controversy.

>>713117019
The unwashed masses continue to cry out for culture.
You are unworthy of it so I shan't be indulging you.

>>713117056
They are a dime a dozen and easily replaced.

>>713117056
The guy who did the soundtrack for E33 is being praised for high heaven. He’ll probably become one of the new greats if he keeps going.

>>713117056
AI will take over soon enough. You get the same slop at a fraction of the price.

>>713108690
Who said anything about buying, retard?

>>713117263
We'll see if he stays consistent, might've been a fluke for all we know

>>713105464 (OP)
Soule-less.

>>713116921
Sorry but I do not concern myself with pathetic worms that cannot post their music.

As for my choice of words, you are mistaken.
Ignorant low IQ plebians must always be corrected with the harshest dialectics so the directness of the message adds immediately to their betterment.
I am really doing you a favor.

>713117068

Here's an entire playlist of a world-class opera performer talking about video game music with other people tangibly involved with classical music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFHF3RNUM14&list=PLgwJx3dgtypm-4uIp1Zo9AplhmfkoDn1g

You can shut the fuck up now. Or don't, but this is the last time I'm going to acknowledge you

>>713105559
you mean you don't want to hear inon zurs's one single short melody repeated throughout every fucking soundtrack he's every done?

>>713105635
The entire Supreme Commander OST.

>>713106091
even if you weren't baiting, he's earned it

>>713117454
Dialectics is a top notch word.
Shame you used it wrong. By shame I mean funny.

>>713105464 (OP)
That's not Mick Gordon

>>713117710
Public education strikes again. Anon can't stop eating Ls.

>>713105635
he did the guild wars factions theme and it's still amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XR3ckkbxzc&lc=UggMv2n0xi0nKHgCoAEC

>>713117710
>takes a random shot at lecturing people about something he doesn't even understand
>misses and embarrasses himself
>just like with his musical "knowledge"

lol
you should try catching smaller fish retard

>>713112336
Gross. Kill yourself.