Is /v/ an open-back or closed-back board?

closed always but go pester /mu/

I use Linux

Closed back. Audiophiles are mentally ill.

what's the point of open

>>713132583
fpbp

>>713132507 (OP)
I bought closed back planars that were designed to mimic the sound of open back headphones. And they successfully do it despite the physical constraints and limitations. So they're just well designed.

>>713132507 (OP)

>>713132507 (OP)
closed
>>713133779
it sounds better/more accurate, or so they say

after switching to open ~2 years ago, i really enjoy the change. especially as someone who WFH and is using them for prolonged periods, everything just feels so much comfier and still sounds great. i mainly just got them for the comfort factor more than anything tbqhwy

>>713133779
Apparently it's supposed to sound like listening to music while you're at a concert or something? Idk, that's how someone described it to me. When I tried open back headphones, the quality sounded way worse so I guess his explanation checks out. In short: it's another waste of money for audiophiles to buy into.

>>713132507 (OP)
Closed back for audio isolation, both ways. If I don't need isolation or to be quiet, I'd use my nice speakers, not headphones.

My beyerdynamics are working great but the headband is fucked and they're really uncomfortable to wear :(

>>713134027
yeah, bluetooth that you can use a cable with when needed are the best

>>713134027
>leftoid meme
>word words words

why do they always do that?

>>713133779
to piss people off who sit next to you on the bus

>>713134027
Whys bluetooth always more expensive than wired ones arent the lack of cable in production means you can sell it at lower price? Happened to earphones as well btw

>>713134448
When you put an elevator in your building you're not paying to go up or down floors. You're paying for the convenience of not taking the stairs.

>>713134448
anon are you aware of what a bluetooth chip is lol

cmon man, use your brain here a bit.

>>713133779
They don’t block out noise from the outside world so you don’t miss the pizza delivery guy ringing at your door

>>713134448
Bluetooth radios and batteries are way more expensive than the simple cables and passive drivers wired headphones use.

>>713134148
>what is audio fatigue

>>713134027
I love latency!!!! I love all my audio being a second or two behind!!

>>713132507 (OP)
Open is fucking awesome on good headphones.

>>713134683
>audio latency
this hasn't been a thing for years, anon.

>>713133779
much better soundstage for soundwhoring enemies online
more natural sounding/balanced acoustics (lots of retards who don't give open back a chance like >>713134148 have been earraped by mediocre closed-back headphones that crank up the bass for so long that they unironically think more bass = more good)

For me it'll always be the Letshouer S12 pro

>>713134683
literally doesn't exist. I've owned multiple bluetooth headsets and never had any latency.

>>713134683
This is not 2009 anymore. Beside you use bluetooth when youre tired sitting on your desk and decided to lay on the bed, your master device that is compooter is in your desk; if youre comooting your master device that is phone is in your pocket. Latency my ass

>>713134683
>plugs it in
not my problem

>>713134726
>>713134835
There is always latency with wireless. It's just minor that it isn't a big deal for 99% of people.

>>713134726
>>713134835
Huge retards

That's actually crazy that you guys think bluetooth doesn't have latency. I know it's pretty good these days but still, what the fuck.

>>713135037
zoomers are retarded what else is new

>>713133779
>what's the point of open
Sound stage, like you're listening in a concert hall It spaces everything out correctly so there is perceived distance between you and the music.
>b-but it's placebo
Not when you're listening to music that was mixed in the correct way.

I actually believe open back is better for gaming if a game is actually doing proper 3D HRTF audio, which is not that common at the moment. But it's not like earphones aren't capable of doing the same thing either. If a game is doing proper positional data including the actual effects of how sound travels in a room so: wavetracing/reflections then you can really hear why an open back sounds good.

>>713135037
every device has latency, wired or wireless

>>713134935
>>713134954
>oh no I'm 0.000000000037493893 seconds lagged behind this track that I'm currently playing that I already nows for years!

Used to be closed due to paranoia of being heard by others, few months ago said fuck it, got a pair of Fidelio and holy shit what did I miss

>>713134726
>>713134835
Your brain latency makes up for the bt latency lmao

>>713135150
>quite literally moving the goalpost

>>713135150
retard

>>713132507 (OP)
Open back at home and closed back at the office

>>713132507 (OP)
Open

>>713134726
The problem is most peoples experience with standalone bluetooth devices are dogshit cheap ones that provide the minimum the spec allows. Bluetooth audio on windows is another hell pit of shit. If you wanted a competent bluetooth experience you either have to shell out cash for a "reputable" brand which sometimes still provides dogshit or do your homework understanding the BT specification and buy the right $20 dongle to string up wired headphones with. I'll always prefer doing live voice and instrument monitoring wired but with the right modern codec's the latency can be low enough to deal with that it doesnt fuck me up. No your don't need the retarded Aptx low latency to get tolerable latency for live monitoring.

>Bluetooth
Fuck your compression - just use 2.4GHz wireless headphones.

>>713135347
>Bluetooth audio on windows is another hell pit of shit.
Next time people wonder why Apple dominates, remember it's because Apple does shit like that right.

>>713135150
>>713135198
>>713135238
>>713134954
>>713134935
who was in the wrong here

>>713132507 (OP)
Bareback

>>713132507 (OP)
open i guess if you live in some sort of hermetically sealed vault.

closed if you live in reality

I have an ATH-AD700 that ive had for like 14 years what should i replace them with

>>713134027
>battery that you have to remember to charge all the time
vs
>just plug it in and it just werks(tm)

yeah it's clear which one is superior

>>713136163
Why replace the best open headphones? including back for your buck? the ad700x is probably identical but the updated model. If you hate the lack of bass and how it's complete mids centric then the fidelio x2s maybe. Although you can probably eq those headphones anyway.

I haven't kept up with the headphone market for a while so maybe consult zeos channel on youtube.

>>713136454
bang for your buck.
* typo

>>713135607
Iphones and probably mac only support AAC and the required SBC, AAC's quality can be questionable and SBC is garbage. No clue about the added latency iphones or macs add just singling out windows because it can be actual dogshit. Software latency is a true killer.

>>713136454
Im just going on the grace of how long the electronics will keep going before giving out
But my cord is starting to give out at the ear, i had to use electrical tape on it to brace it

>>713135770
Bluetooth latency a few years ago was largely terrible and most devices suffered greatly from it. Yeah, you could just offset for specific apps (or just in general) but was still a PITA. Nowadays most everything (unless you're buying shit cheap products) is 99% accurate and you wouldn't be able to notice the difference.

i am a shure srh840 guy.

>>713135861
reality includes all sorts of places besides your mom's house

>>713136163
I love how absolutely everyone recommended them at that time. I'm still using mine and I can't say I'm thinking of getting new ones any time soon though. I love this purple and gold bastard

>>713134027
You forgot the most important part for chad:
>isn't poor so has no problem buying replacements when he loses a single earbud on day 1

>>713132507 (OP)
Open. I'm using a pair of beyerdynamic dt 990 pros, sounds fantastic.

>>713133779
Open-back sounds like the sound is coming from an actual real-world source in open air. Closed-back sounds like what it is, the audio is coming from the side of a wall, both to make bass easier to achieve and to reduce sound leak to the outside world. Highly recommend trying Drop HD6XX headphones, they're easy to buy and pretty damn good. I think they're rebranded Sennheiser HD650s or something like that.

>>713134912
>when youre tired sitting on your desk and decided to lay on the bed
that's what speakers are for

>>713132507 (OP)
closed, but only cause I've only ever bought one pair of over-ear headphones and they have lasted me 15 years.

>>713134027

I haven't worn a headset since they gave me a gamer dent over a decade ago

got headphones and never looked back

>>713132507 (OP)
closed. white noise is cancer and makes me think about reality.
>open back
might as put speakers on full blast

>>713136996
tl;dr

>>713136814
and most of them are very loud.

even when it is quiet, say late at night, your computer fans are still very much audible.

Upgrade to iem

>headphones instead of actual speakers
lmfao

>>713137173
i designed my PC to not be audible, it wasn't difficult

Only ever had one pair of earbuds in my life that fit decent and wouldn't fall out or become loose
headphones are so much better it's ridiculous

Remember to clean your headphones regularly anons. You HAVE been doing that, right?

>>713137201
fyi headphones can perfectly recreate the sound of a $1mil+ speaker system perfectly by using somelike like Impulcifer (free option) or a Smyth Realizer (pricy option). like it literally sounds 1:1 as if there's 32 speakers set up around you and the sound is coming from them

except it sounds better because production tolerances on headphones are far tighter than on speakers

>>713134027
>ANC
the headphones that require external AA batteries to use the bass boost thing even if you run them wired, keklmao

bluetooth + AA= like taking care of your pet. fuck that

>>713137325
i actually would get pimples on my earlobes after cleaning my headphones so i stopped doing it

pretty sure the layer of human fat that builds up on earpads is protective

>>713132507 (OP)
Open leaks the audio too much. Makes single player games experience shitty. Closed all the way

>>713132507 (OP)
open back for the soundstage

>>713137404
>Open leaks the audio too much.
what does this even mean
are you aware your ears are inside the headphones

open backs sound vastly better

>>713137462
play some shit on your open backs and take them off. squish them to the sides of your knee and ull hear a lot of sound leaking out

Old/v/ was open back pilled because everyone was white and lived in the basement or on their own. Nu-/v/ prefers closed backs because the userbase is 90% mexican teenagers packed into a tiny apartment with their entire family like sardines

>>713137404
>Open leaks the audio too much.
This only matters to people around you, not yourself. If you have people in close proximity to you and you don't want to bother them, then it's a problem.

>>713137547
yes but why would this matter to me
i don't live with mommy and even when i did i had my own room

>>713134027
If you listen to music while you're in nature, you are a huge faggot.
>NOOOO I MUST HAVE MY GOLEM BEATS ANYWHERE I GO

>>713132507 (OP)
IEM's. KBEAR KS2 with mic as they're cheap and sound good enough. I used to be a Sennheiser guy but I got sick of them leaving a witness mark on my hair.

>>713137667
When zoomgroids say they listen to music "while outside" they don't mean in nature, they mean while riding the subway surrounded by other loud annoying brown people. Bluetooth headphones playing the trendy noises of a black guy moaning into a microphone about drugs & gay sex are required for such a journey

>>713133779
my ears don't get sweaty using them

>>713134027
Meh i prefer speaker than headphones, i don't want to get tinnitus for wearing that shit all day

I have very limited experience on this but I like my Takstar closed back better than Sennheiser open

>>713134027
Within 2 weeks of buying my wired headphones I yanked the cable out which broke the audio jack on my board. I am way more careful now but I'm still mad

mostly unrelated but are TMR keyboards the final frontier of keyboard technology? I want one but there's not much choice at the moment

>>713138269
No, that was buckling springs.

Closedback trannies are coping again LOL. The only acceptable closedback in 2025 are IEMs. Get yourself chinkshit IEM of choice and something like an X2HR (gaymers are too retarded to appreciate a HD600) and you're done.

>>713138332
Buckling springs are pretty overrated as a switch type but I do enjoy them an awful lot as the in-between of typewriters and more modern keyboards. Source: typing on a New Model F 104 right now

>>713137547
I didn't know you played with headphones on your fucking knee

>>713136241
hey guys, this guy has to remember to charge his devices. everyone point and laugh

>>713138649
>Source: typing on a New Model F 104 right now
My nigga. I use a classic M daily. I just can't get past the sound of modern clicky switches. It'd be nice if they made spacious cases without sound deadening so they'd have more "thunk".

>>713138402
>Closedback trannies are coping
I have mr speakers Ether C as i said earlier in the thread (closed planar magnetic). And I've heard good open backs, it's close enough that i don't really care. If I'm being honest it loses maybe half an inch in soundstage. Very small, it's a tiny increment compared to other high end headphones. That's because that was the entire R&D aspect of it's production.

>>713138332
uhh well TMR have way more features and much lower latency than buckling springs... time to move into the future grandpa

>>713138269
tmr is too immature, hall effect keyboard are still #1 for now

>>713139138
TMR is transitioning from gamepad controllers to keyboards as we speak. gotta say, the prices on the monsgeek TMR stuff is really impressive. quite rare that such an improvement in tech is so inexpensive.

>>713134683
>listening to music
>latency
What is it going to lag behind, my hike? My cleaning? My lie in bed?

>>713132507 (OP)
This isn't specifically about headphone types but the jack for them on my tower has been fucky since we got it and I haven't had a single day in the few years I've had this new pc where I don't hear audio crackling.
Literally nothing I try with drivers or power management does anything, I know it's not the headphones themselves since I've used them on my phone and the sound is fine. What the fuck do I even try and diagnose with this windows doesn't provide any help and neither does the world wide web.

>>713139237
it's because the firmware/software is complete dogshit compared to wooting

>>713133779
more realistic sound stage.

>>713132507 (OP)
IEMs and speakers
Headphones are a retarded in-between compromise with none of the benefits of either

>>713137236
design the noose to kill yourself silently as well!

>>713139278
i hope you're not using one of the rear 3.5mm jacks
a lot of people incorrectly assume that's the good one

>>713132507 (OP)
Closed and active noise cancelling, FUCK the world I don't want to hear your gay shit

>>713139058
Ether C's are very good. DCA are probably the only company that understands closed-back headphones. The Noire's I demo'd were beautiful.

>>713132507 (OP)
I own speakers

>>713139343
that's more of a you thing, i hear those hormones you take cause it

>>713134027
>t.

>>713133779
Better audio.
Poorfags and thirdies cant use them because of the slumnoises

>use open backs
>parents start shouting at each other and slamming things
>can't hear my vidya
open backs are a meme

>>713138968
It does depend an awful lot on the actual clicky switch. My other big thing in recent months was finding Gateron Melodics to dump into an 8bitdo TKL and numpad to replace the Kailh box whites it came with, along with a set of Game Boy themed sculpted keycaps on Drop.com to replace the (MA? ASA?) keycaps that 8bitdo gives you by default. Ended up feeling like a surprisingly premium clicky keyboard, the Melodics have a somewhat electric typewriter-y click to them and a good weight and feel, almost like popping a bubble on bubble wrap. The GSA keycaps from Drop I'm very pleased with, they're polished and smoothed ABS and they're the closest thing I'll ever get to GMK DMG keycaps in a sculpt that isn't fucking Cherry/OEM.

>>713138332
>was buckling springs.
Model F is in reproduction for a limited time from a small company. I've been contemplating on buying it for a while.

>>713137574
If other people can hear what you are listening to, then your volume is set way to high, and you will end up going deaf early. At safe listening levels the output from headphones should only travel a few inches.

>>713139356
No it's not a rear one, the headphones I use are some hyper cloud ones (ugh, I know) and the cord for those isn't long enough for me to do that, the jack I use is right ontop of the case near the power and lighting controls

>>713132507 (OP)
unless you live in a favela full of screaming monkeys you should always use open

>>713139279
You say that but Madlions (a huemonkey company) has a pretty cromulent Wooting clone. Cromulent enough that Wooting got really fucking pissed their keyboards were cloned, and Amazon and Aliexpress try to prevent you from searching the brand name.

>>713139467
This looks sick and I'd love to get it, but I can't give up my numpad.

You only ever experienced audio if you used a R2R DAC with an open back headphone using a gold plated optical cable

>>713139619
there's tons of hall effect chinkboards and zero of them with firmware/software anywhere near wooting's quality level
idk who would cheap out anyway, you can get a used w2HE for like $80

>>713139467
I need my 10key numpad, once you learn it you never go back

>>713132507 (OP)
does headphone quality even matter?
I bought an HD 58X years ago and its worked perfectly fine since, I've never once considered spending 4x more on an "audiophile grade" headset

>>713139772
what do you do with your numpad?

>>713136925
This guy knows what's up. The 6XX's are some of the best bang for your buck you'll get for headphones. I convinced a couple people to take that plunge and both love them. Kinda wild to me that I've had mine for over a decade now, but good audio equipment lasts. I've essentially paid around $20/y to use them. I've had to replace the cable 3x in those 11 years and the pads twice.

I really hate that "audiophile" bullshit became a thing. Back in the 70s more people understood that good audio is just nice, from speakers to headphones. Nowadays it seems like most people just buy whatever $10 headphones they get or its some "gaming" headset. Just makes me sad. Audio is one of those fields that got amazing a long time ago, so the companies making good stuff like Sennheiser or BD have been around for 100+ years. It's not like displays where there have been significant upgrades over the past 20 years. Microphones have gotten better, our ability to mix has gotten better, but the speakers/drivers themselves are largely the same as the 60s-70s.

"Audiophile" bs is largely a scam, but there are a couple things that benefit every listening experience, like an EQ. It comes down to some very basic science. Every driver/speaker to exist has natural strengths and weaknesses, and the human ear has its own curve of strengths and weaknesses. All a good EQ does is try to bring the pros/cons of the driver to match the curve of the human ear. That's really it. It's not some hokey bs, and it doesn't cost a cent to do. For anyone still reading, open back definitely is a better listening experience. Sounds feel like they come from your surroundings instead of in your head, but they're also healthier for your ears too as they don't limit airflow anywhere nearly as much as closed backs do. To some people they sound strange at first, but you'll get used to the difference in sound staging quickly.

>>713136946
Nice dude. Stick with what you have if it's good & has lasted for you.

>>713139632
>>713139772
Oh, it's just a keycap set, there's plenty more to it. https://www.keebzncables.com/collections/80retros/products/80retros-game-1989-gsa-profile-keycaps-2

The 8bitdo thing has a full-size keyboard these days if that's more your speed. It's my speed too and if it had existed at the time, I would have bought that instead of a TKL and a companion numpad.

>>713134306

>>713139970
leftoids we just aren't funny, at all
i guess it's over for us

>>713138758
how the fuck else you gonna hear the sound leaking out

open back. I got sennheiser 550s, they have the midrange of 600s and wide soundstage like 560s/599s. Amazing for music, or games, highly recommend. 600 is good but mainly for music, these have wide soundstage. (positional audio is good, doesnt feel always close)

>>713139810
It does matter, but it's kind of a masturbatory field. Drivers haven't improved much in 50+ years, which is why the whole "premium audio" thing is basically a circle jerk of next to nothingness. You bought a decent set of headphones and should stick with them til they die on you.

The only 2 things that would really make any kind of difference are an EQ & and maybe a cheap DAC/amp if you want to be able to push them louder without crackling. That's really it. One of those options is free, so have at it. If you don't know where to start, I recommend looking up your headphones on https://www.autoeq.app/ and just taking what EQ is recommended and trying it out. If you haven't used an EQ before, I recommend EqualizerAPO for Windows and Easy Effects for Linux. Both are "set it and forget it." You take 10 minutes to set it up a single time and you'll never have to touch it again. You can download the EQ as a file from that site and just drop it in to either of those programs I mentioned and it Just Werks™

>>713132507 (OP)
open-back for gaming, closed-back for music.

>>713139852
>>713139467
Nice, I'm partial to the Kailh Box Pinks/Navys myself. I've got a few custom keyboards for gaming and those are the switches I've settled on. Thinking about getting a vintage keyboard and putting those switches in with SA keycaps.
>>713139471
I haven't pulled the trigger on the New F myself but I've been eyeing their F122 and the one that has the form factor of the Model M.

I like my open ones better but now I have air conditioner very loud all day and it's annoying

>>713139471
>>713140496
The project is far enough along that I can actually recommend buying a New Model F if you wanted one, you will get it in the stated lead time and delivery time.

Whilst i think I've already found my ideal headphone, i am curious to check out Audeze's gamer branded LCD-x's. Having the mic on the same cable would be nice. But the downside of that is that you can only use their propriety cables in case the cable were to ever wear and tear down one day. But the appeal of them is that they're very easy to drive, meaning you could even use them on consoles if you desired. So quite versatile in that sense.

>>713132507 (OP)
IEM+speaker master race

>>713139259
the music coming out of your phone or whatever music device you are using is gonna be lagging a second or two from your headphones.

>>713132507 (OP)
open back of course

been an openback Chad since I got ATH-AD700 back in the day when I was around 15
now I've been using HD6XX w/ jds atom amp/dac for 5 years, never felt even the slightest need or desire to upgrade. I love my setup so much.
currently listening to Stellar Blade and E33 FLAC OST's

>>713140634
I have bad blood with AT. The single pair of cans I bought from them were crackling from the factory and they refused to replace them. They've just been rotting in a box ever since. I tell everyone to buy Sennheiser for open or BD for closed (& price) now.

What are the go-to headphones for gaming? An issue i had with one 'Audiophile' headphone is that, while it was really nice for music, it was incredibly difficult to tell where sounds were coming from in videogames.

>>713134683
This isn't really much of a thing anymore. Advancements in both Bluetooth and BT codecs over the past 15 years especially has eliminated noticeable latency. The main issue with BT headsets nowadays is power delivery.

>>713136241
>has to be permanently charging to werk at all

the problem with Bluetooth headphones isn't latency, it's sound quality. I could never downgrade from my kino HD6XX open backs for some wireless slop, a cord is not that fucking inconvenient
t. wireless mouse enjoyer

>>713139816
input math equations or 4chan urls

>>713132507 (OP)
i have the hd600 and i like them alot

>>713140869
>it was incredibly difficult to tell where sounds were coming from in videogames
Won't be fixed until improved 3D Audio technology becomes more widespread, just like it was during the late 90s and early 2000s when we were using soundcards on PCs with aureal vortex 2 cards. We need to go back to wavetraced 3D audio. Or this guy just refers to it as raytraced audio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6EuAUjq92k

Or if developers decide upon using Valve's steam audio solution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd64iEGyY0s
^ which i think Tarkov might use

Unfortunately we can't have universal 3D HRTF audio as a standard at this stage.

is the mx500 still the one to use?

>>713133779
you'll be able to hear your family getting raped to death by home intruders

>>713139386
Dude thats hardcore

>>713142046
american moment

>>713142046
Edgy mentally ill retard.

>>713132507 (OP)
Open because I'm not a cuck who lives in a noisy area or with other people

Iemchads rise up

speakers

>>713142046
kek

>open back
Enjoy your premature hearing loss since you use a higher volume to compensate for outside noise lmao

>open back
just play white noise on your chad closed back headphones if u so crave for "LE REALISM"

>>713140960
>>713134928
>>713134835
You are all actually retarded. Not shocked tho! The faggot yapping about plugging them in is somehow the most retarded.
>>713139259
This is the only valid reply.

>>713140869
also what i failed to mention here>>713141814
If you're saying that audiophile headphones have bad issues with directionality and that the gamer headphones that usually use some form of software/digital 7.1 surround emulation is what you want to hear on any audiophile headphone then I'd just tell you to use HeuSVI. As long as your dac amp actually supports doing 7.1 signal. It's completely free.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hesuvi/

So there's no reason to get any gamer headphone with that in mind. There's nothing you can't do as long as your dac supports the option. For me if a game doesn't support REAL 3D audio and it's just basic stereo panning, but it does support surround sound 7.1 for actual speaker setups for example then i just turn on this program and switch my dac to 7.1 opposed to stereo. So it does 7.1 headphone emulation.

>>713132507 (OP)
The only reason to get closed is if you plan on using voice chat.

>>713132507 (OP)
The only reasons to get closed is if you plan on using voice chat, or if you live with a Mexican family.

I use a shitty soundbar and an even shittier open ear bluetooth set because I haven't worn a headphone/earbud in half a decade and I can't be fucked to go back.
The only real issue is the earbuds often echo in most games voip systems so I never voice chat because I know it'll be echo/noise city for anyone playing with me otherwise.

god I wish windows had better audio capability

>>713132507 (OP)
it's a shame bone conduction sets don't come in wired anymore, the fidelity isn't perfect but the more open you can go the better

>>713134683
haha holy shit you got them bad with that one, look at them squirm

>>713143894
>The faggot yapping about plugging them in is somehow the most retarded.
no, that would be you

>>713133779
Supposed to let the airflow move more freely, which alters how some sounds "sound", and some people view it as better.
I figure it's at least better than those headphones that are completely enclosed with zero airflow though.

>>713132507 (OP)
Closed. If other people can hear my audio, they're shit headphones, I don't care how much they cost.

>>713139824
Id recommend shp 9500 over hd6xx

>>713133779
another hole for dust and shit to get into
>>713138027
if this is true I'm buying one immediately

>>713132507 (OP)
Unironically better than any thousand dollar headphones.

>>713144689
>boner conduction
literal meme tech.

>>713132507 (OP)
I use IEMs

>>713135037
they don't know that video playback is delayed to account for latency while using bluetooth headphones

>>713145228
in what way LOL

>>713144689

>>713145742
you can tell when this happens during streams

>>713144761
I accept your concession.

>>713146773
you didn't even make an argument for me to concede to

>>713144680
What's wrong with it?

>>713132507 (OP)
IEM unless I need ANC then I use XM4

>>713133779
Wider soundstage and sounds more natural.
>>713134148
This guy is a retard

>>713134673
Is that like nigger fatigue

>>713134683
>all these subhumans incapable of perceiving latency replying
Bluetooth sickens me.
USB dongles sicken me.
Wireless mice sicken me.
Wireless controllers sicken me.

I use a pair of $35 Logitech speakers. One of the speakers has a little knob on it that lets me adjust the volume. They also have a port where I could plug in some headphones or earbuds, but I've never found a need to do so.

>>713147131
>This guy is a retard
That's exactly the point of when he says soundstage. Concert hall sort of effect. That's the whole point of sound not being trapped i suppose.

>>713147829
You dont understand at all what soundstage is lmfao holy shit kill yourself

>>713134148
gotta agree. i got a pair of sph9500 on the premise that open backs are just so, so awesome but to me it just sounded like crap compared to a cheap pair of chink iems. it's just a meme.

>>713132507 (OP)
I HAD KOSS phones that leaked sound very badly and some girl always kept sitting behind me in class because she could hear my anime music game and tapped my shoulder and I nearly shit myself when she confessed that she's been listening to the music and she started talking about Vocoloid and some shipper shit and I never wore KOSS or open ear style headphones ever since.

All in all open feels better for me but I'm paranoid about people hearing my audio so I cope with closed. I already fear the headphones jack popping out and playing my music through speakers or Bluetooth being finicky and doing something similar.

>>713147979
Youre retarded also samefagging

>>713148061
did you ask her out

>>713148146
lol

>>713136925
>Drop HD6XX
I was gonna ask how these compare to 560s since I thought they're in the same pricepoint. But it looks like the Senn jacked up the price by $100 since I first bought them. What the fuck.

>>713148617
hd6xx are exactly the same as the praised hd660

>>713132507 (OP)
i'm literally gaymin and listening to music with audiophile open back planar headphones and its the best shit ever. i also attached a magnetic mic to it so its pretty much a gayming headset now too, except 10x the quality

>>713147965
>You dont understand at all what soundstage is
Yes, i do. What the fuck are you talking about? it equates to separation and distance. It's not that hard of a concept to understand, it very much has everything to do with localization. You're making soundstage out to be like an audiophile buzzword. I've never heard anyone dispute that it's supposed to have a three dimensional like effect, like that of listening in a live concert.
Look at this way if you put stereo two speakers in a room at a distance from one another you've created a wide soundstage. And if you put them closer to each other it achieves the opposite effect of being narrow. There is a far more technical explanation of what drivers are doing to achieve the same effect. And not every driver is the same, so there is multiple explanations.

>>713133779
It's kind of like the difference between hearing sounds with or without a pillow over your head. The lack of airflow causes some frequencies to cancel themselves out, so the noise sounds kind of muffled. This can be fixed with extra engineering and digital processing, which means good closed are usually more expensive than a good open. But open-backs will have a higher ceiling of quality meaning the best opens will be better than the best closed.

If you have earbuds, try pushing them in as deep as you can and they'll sound shittier. I have cheap earbuds for noise-canceling at work with special inserts. They sound like shit, but I can actually hear the dialogue in the TV shows I'm watching.

Also frequencies outside of our hearing range can still affect how we hear. Humans can hear 20 to 20,000 hz, but your computer can probably play up to 48,0000 hz.

>>713132507 (OP)
Open back for my wired pair of headphones I use on my desktop. Closed back for my wireless bluetooth headphones I travel with.

>>713132507 (OP)
Im an adult, so I use my speakers or IEMs if Im in discord or some shit(rare)

>>713137336
>bro just buy the penis dac
ell em eff ay oh

>>713132507 (OP)
Open is infinitely better unless you live in a zoo and hear constant screaming, figuratively of course.

>>713149417
theres a rackmount version. i just use impulcifer anyway

>>713149097
>it sounds like a echoing reverby concetrt hall
Is what youre saying retard lmao

Its not a 3d effect fucking faggot

>>713132507 (OP)
I have moved onto studio speakers

>>713133779
Sounds better, at least it does to me. I have both and prefer the open. I don't wear headphones in public, though. I find that to be really retarded or something that's only really acceptable for children/teenagers.

I have a quality pair of headphones and I take them for granted nowadays. Every time I have to use a different pair like my poorfag friends' I'm reminded of how shit most headphones are that people use. It's not even about the price, plenty of people buy expensive gaymen headsets that are complete dogshit.

>>713134027
why is it chad to be secretive about your music instead of being an alpha god that listens to weeb music on blast not giving a shit about le other people?

ironically, a fucking nerd made this meme, and this is just a projection of what they think is alpha lmao

>>713139453
Does your room not have a door or can you only game on the famly pooter?

Which connector crystals do you guys use?

>>713134683
It makes rhythm games impossible to play, I used Samsung Buds that were $300 and I couldn't play Bang Dream on my phone at all and returned it for a refund.

Now I'm fucked because all phones have no headphone port so I can never play my animu rhythm games

>>713149947
every rhythm game that's not full shovelware has latency settings

>>713149904
gold plated optical cables only

>>713149485
I'd only partially agree with you if you think soundstage is perhaps placebo because there's a real argument to be made there and it's pretty complicated. But if you've got it so wrong that a basic google image search could give you the correct idea it's maybe to reconsider what you think you're buying in headphones.

>>713139970
>snappy one liner
>it's just ad hominem

>>713149506
I bought closed with active noise canceling for yardwork. They don't sound good and make my ears really hot. So wearing them while doing yardwork makes them super sweaty. Sweat soaks into foam. IEMs have better noise-canceling and don't absorb sweat.

IEMs with a Yeti mic are probably a much better investment than rbgt+ gayman headphones.

>>713150059
I was adjusting it and hopping in and out of the options screen back to the game etc. and it felt like the latency or lag was variable where sometimes you had to tap half a second before and sometimes it would be a quarter second after it passed the line in the same song.

Maybe it was a Samsung Buds 1 issue? Those are the only Bluetooth devices I tried.

>>713132507 (OP)
Chad uses EarPods.

>>713149320
>adult
>discord

Why can't they invent headphones that can switch between open and closed, are they retarded?

>>713150559
anon please, think of the poor headphone manufacturers, even though the difference is 5 cents worth of plastic they can sell you an entirely new set of headphones instead that are guaranteed to break the nanosecond the warranty ends

>>713150391
>Maybe it was a Samsung Buds 1 issue?
It also depends on the audio codecs. Some codecs prioritize quality over latency. Some bluetooth devices even switch between codecs depending on battery life and "distance".

>>713150213
No you and the other retard are talking as if its a fucking emulated effect like concert in your sound device you fuckface. Closed and open back sound the same in all content, just less fatiguing and central with open.

I have the Sennheiser HD 560S which are open. They went up from $150 to $250 though so at that price I would get the 58X or 6XX on Drop. Audiophiles are actually mentally ill and have a pay pig fetish

>>713133779
open makes it sound like your actually there listening to the instruments and vocals, closed makes you feel like listening inside a car

>>713149947
Have you tried one of those usb-c to 3.5mm dongles? I think it would at least have consistent latency.

HD800S
Arya Stealth
Variations
U12t
D3V speakers

Variety is fun. Funnily enough, out of those, only the Variations are shit for gaming. Too much fucking rumble.

>>713151917
which one is your favorite?

autosaged? lel

>>713145018
It's genuinely true

>>713151974
All the /pol/ and porn threads on the board and they choose the headphones thread to kill..........

>>713137336
i don't get it, looking at impulcifer it seems the point is to emulate your existing speaker setup? what if your setup is shit? and you need to spend a pretty buck for measuring equipment too.

>>713132507 (OP)
Closed, don't have a amplifier and I want to block out the fan noise of my PC.

>>713151965
For gaming? Arya Stealth easily. Even for movies, those fuck hard. For music, it's a toss up. Also got a Penon 10th anniversary IEM. Those are great for long music listening sessions. Zero fatigue sound signature. Come to think of it, Penon in general is underrated as fuck everywhere. If I were to recommend something out of my rotation there, it's definitely the Aryas.

>>713132507 (OP)
I've owned a lot of open-backs over the years, but recently got a pair of ATH-A1000Z and really love them. Incredible detail on percussion especially, though not as bright as I'm used to they've got a solid neutral FR. Also look sexy as fuck.
Still keep a pair of mid-tier open-backs around for work calls, because it fucks with me to talk without hearing my own voice. Will replace those with Hifimans eventually.

>>713152206
That line of Audio Technica headphones are so aesthetically pleasing.