Thread 713140997

>Have gone all in on 3d chibis and refuse to quit (even though the graphics look worse than Blue Archive)
>Phantom Brave Lost Hero was way too fucking short compared to Disgaea games
>Disgaea 7 finally gets its global complete edition BUT it's only available for Switch 2 AND ITS A FUCKING GAME KEY CARD INSTEAD OF A PHYSICAL CARTRIDGE
I'm sorry for ranting but it really feels like they are on the verge of bankruptcy. All of this feels bad. I was under the impression that they were recovering but it seems now like the opposite is true. Am I paranoid or this actually the end for da grindin games?

>>713140997 (OP)
Japanese devs refuse to admit their mistakes, and correcting them is like admitting it. See how dogshit Pokemon is now because they won’t go back to 2D sprites.

With the announcement of the Switch 2 exclusive Game Key Card shit it definitely seems like NIS is about to go under.
The last time they did this was with the D5 Complete version exclusive on Switch.
It flopped so badly that NIS had to file for bankruptcy and had to transition to 3D models to save money on development.
D7 Complete is not going to sell, especially with this Goy Key Card shit.

I loved the Disgaea series. I remember learning about D1 thanks to a quick segment Attack of The Show did on it when G4 was around.
Loved not just Disgaea but NIS as a whole afterwards.
La Pucelle, Phantom Brave, Soul Cradle, Makai Kingdom, Mana Khemia, the Disgaea series...
It will all be missed. Great times and great memories. I still have all of the games to play at any time, but still, the thought of no more being made is a sad thought for sure.

NIS games went too hard on self parody and flanderization. They need a hard reboot and to let Disgaea go for a long while.

Honestly, the biggest tragedy of the Phantom Brave Sequel is that Henna and Mayflower were pure sex but nobody in their right mind is gonna buy the game for 70$ dollars, and thus those two are forgotten and will never get porn. All of that could have been avoided if Phantom Brave's sequel was 2D, goddamit.

>>713140997 (OP)
that third point is a nisa problem, in japan its on the cart properly

>>713140997 (OP)
Sex with etna

>>713141986
>In Japan
Nobody cares nigga

>>713140997 (OP)
how much longer until they go full bamco and just release the games themselves, like with the srw franchise

>>713141521
D5 Complete on Switch was a massive success, though. They nearly went bankrupt (for like the third time) after that because the initial launch of the gacha was a disaster and because NIS keeps blowing money on games that no one ever bought or heard of.

As for me, I feel really fucking burned by NISA since I spent like a hundred bucks on Disgaea 7 and the dipshits didn't even have the decency to localize the Rasetsu/Asagi patches on PC. I've never liked NISA, but that was the last straw. Disgaea's been one of my favorite franchises since high school, but I'm never buying anything from them again.

>>713142238
>Like with the SRW franchise
What are you even talking about.

>>713142348
to get around harmony gold law suits and stop relying on the terrible work of their american branch, bandai released their SRW in Asia with english language options. Just want to if nippon ichi would do the same.

>>713142819
Oh.
Yeah, they can. I mean don't they already on Play-Asia?

>Disgaea 7 complete edition is a Non physical, overpriced, exclusive for the Switch 2 (a console thay doesn't actually do anything different from the switch, it just more expensive to make investors/shareholders happy)
The more I think about it, the worse it gets.

>>713141781
is the game even good? im an artist but im not gonna play it if its not good

>>713142312
This
The gacha is what fucked them, not Disgaea 5 complete.

>>713140997 (OP)
>Disgaea 7 finally gets its global complete edition BUT it's only available for Switch 2 AND ITS A FUCKING GAME KEY CARD INSTEAD OF A PHYSICAL CARTRIDGE
>Be Nisa
>Have a reputation of bricking consoles, subpar work, bugs...
>D7 has a complete patch

>>713143279
FUCK sent too early

>Japan only
>for years people wondered if they'll even get it
>it finally comes
>Switch 2 only
>PCfags? Other console fags?
>Left in the dust
Fuck nisa man

>>713140997 (OP)
>I'm sorry for ranting but it really feels like they are on the verge of bankruptcy
This is NIS's natural state. They have learned to become one with bankruptcy. They're most likely working on Disgaea 8 or going bankrupt for real this time, only time will tell. I was pretty disappointed with the new Phantom Brave but it should be expected that modern NIS can't recapture the soul of their PS2 days. I would love to see the engineer and angler loli come back as Disgaea units however. I still like Disgaea, even in it's new 3D form.

talking about lolis, is there any major character that is a sea angel girl(playable) or they are only generics?

>>713140997 (OP)
First time? Nis is a dogshit company who only had any form of success by having weeb shit in their library. With better access to weeb shit they lost their niche on top of just making worse and worse games over time.

>>713143220
It's... pretty good?
Like, it's definitely more Phantom Brave. There's something like the modern Evility system, though you're prevented from fully exploiting it during the main story because reincarnation requires eggs, and I think you get one during the main story. Maybe two. I used mine making a Dragon with more remove.
It had a memory leak crash when I played it, but I THINK that got patched since then.
The story is... worse than the original. I like the characters, they do some good things, but Phantom Brave's story was something special, I think. Most of the new story is okay, good at times even, and I DO really like the progression Marona and Ash have gotten from the original. They do a good job of presenting Marona like someone who has done her time and seen some shit. But, the genuine, heartfelt and wrenching moments from the first aren't really there, and the story follows a pretty predictable "now it's YOUR chapter for development!" Formula. Most of the cast I liked, but feel nothing special for, besides Marona & Ash. Besides Sulphur, the DLC, one single letter at the end of postgame, and one single newspaper article written by... that fukkin guy, I forget his name, there are no characters from the first game that make an appearance, which feels sad.
Fuck the new game a million times for making Sulphur talk, though. Sulphur was a fucking GREAT antagonist, that felt more like a force of nature, and now he's just kind of a whiny bitch. I hate it. Retroactively makes Sulphur less cool.
I feel something was lost by making equipment more restrictive. There are "correct" weapon types to use most of the time, and I feel sad you can't build a fukkin potted plant into the world's greatest bludgeon anymore. Making builds is kinda fun, though again, that's basically postgame
The DLC wasn't worth it. I got it because I love Sprout, and he's great, but most of the dlc characters are pretty eh. Good music though, Mad Rat got stuck in my head for a while.

>>713141781
train a lora if they mean anything to you.

>>713142238
You are far more likely to go the konami way of dropping out of the western market entirely aside from one token legacy series that (((journos))) like.

>>713143220
I think it's alright, actually. It kinda improves over Disgaea in some ways, like with the freedom to move anywhere over a grid. However, confine fucking sucks when your phantoms get removed after like 3 or 4 turns. I wouldn't call it bad but instead, it's problem is that it's too "safe". The story being shorter and more standard RPG style kinda feels like they were catering more to new people instead of older audiences. Whether that it's a good thing or not depends on you. I think the game issue is that it's a 30$ game that's priced at 70$. You should either try the demo first, wait for it to go on sale, (or pirate it if you want NIS to burn, I won't judge), and make your own decision. You will either love it or hate it.

>>713140997 (OP)
I may want to fuck Etna but allow me to pitch in
The Lost Hero is a decently fun game. However, it is still pretty buggy, and the battle pacing feels a lot slower than Disgaea. This would be fine back then since the original released during the Disgaea 2 days I think, but future entries allowed you to speed up attacks and movement and whatnot. You can't really do that with TLH, and I get that it's 3D movement but they could've figured something out.
I actually waited to see if D7 Complete would come here. The fact I can't get the best D7 experience on any other platform feels like shit. It's not a bad game.
I wish NIS would be smarter. Mad Rat Dead could've used a port to PC, and nobody likes the prices. I got D5C on sale for 20 bucks on the Switch, that's fine. It's a complete package, and most bought the game because they could simply buy it.
If their goal was to make a brother to Disgaea with Phantom Brave, they failed. The original was always just an extra game, like Makai Kingdom. It sold so poorly that NIS even memed it themselves in a fourth wall break. Doesn't mean it was a bad game.
The new game wasn't even bad either, I enjoyed it, even if I am part of the problem for pirating it. What I don't enjoy is D7C being a fucking exclusive.

>>713140997 (OP)
>Lost most of their PS2-era employees after getting too greedy for their size
>Burned bridges with Idea Factory, Gust, Compile Heart and Marvelous
>Nearly bankrupted themselves developing a gacha of all things
>Writer behind the Labyrinth games left the company, leaving you with the modern Disgaea team
>NISA is one of the worst localization studios in the industry
It had to happen eventually.

>>713141521
Pisses me off that they are releasing the D7 LE only on Switch 2 because I want that LE for PS5. They better make the extra content that is in D7 Complete as DLC for vanilla D7 since I do have every DLC in vanilla.

D7 had a pretty nice character cast honestly.

>>713145046
Yeah, but that's precisely why it hurts knowing how badly the complete version was butchered.

>>713145046
I don't know why, but they all ended up being pretty forgettable to me. I didn't dislike any of them, but none of them clicked. I think it's because the last few games have stuck too close to the formula of "one chapter introduces the new character, then later there's one chapter where they face a conflict and power up at the end." They seem pretty disconnected and don't feel like a cohesive group because of it. I dunno, maybe I'm being too hard on them because D6's cast of characters was easily the best part of the game and I couldn't help comparing them.

>>713145046
I'd agree
I need a replay, I haven't gotten a second look yet, but I don't think I hate anyone, and I really like Pirilika and Higan.
Mostly I want to look at Yeyasu and. Uh. Fukkin. The robot kid.
Also look at Fuji and Ao a little more, I got a tip in a previous thread that they're an interesting dynamic. I kinda glazed over Ao for most of the game 'cuz I'm averse to the vibes of the character type, before realizing there might be more to go on later.

>>713145378
>Make a good game
>Make another game
>Revisit the first game by making it a Switch 2 exclusive even though in Japan it wasn't
>Also fuck you Fall release, despite the fact it's been out in Japan for over a year already and the localization parts are just DLC

>have one guy capable of making a decent story
>fuck him over with zero budget then fire him
>proceed to fund the shittiest games imaginable that they dont even bother to localize because they bombed so hard in japan

>>713141415
I was always tempted to get into Pokémon because of sprites, but ever since they went 3D, I now just laugh at the IP.

On one hand, I know NIS will die soon.They keep making too many shitty business decisions. On the other hand, not many games really scratch that Disgaea grinding itch. Are they any indie games similar to Disgaea in a sense?

I fucking love disgaea 1 (2 was my first disgaea game), played some of 3 on my vita. I'm planning on playing the later games starting from 3 but the characters aren't as gripping as D1. D5 looks uninteresting as hell, how's the game? Not even going to bother with the 3D games after playing through D6 demo.

>>713146571
I can completely respect not playing the 3D ones on principle, but 7 isn't bad.
6 is abominable, but 7 is fine.

>>713140997 (OP)
Why is NIS being retarded about DisgaeaD2?
Just cram a complete+ version with new content and QOL and people will will get interested in it. They act like it must never be touched again.

>>713146721
Honestly he shouldn't bother with 7 either, after the bs they are pulling with the Switch2 port.

>>713141521
Everything up to disgay 5 was good and fine. (my opinion) I think killia was a great edgy protag. Montoss was a great feature and the random quests really made it worth da grinding. I get the whole "dude prinny funny" thing but I loved their attitude. It felt like a endearing little brother.

>>713146721
>3D ones on principle
If the animations are well done I wouldn't be too hard on them. The moment that I saw the 'team' attack from the demo it shows to me that they didn't even do the bare fucking minimum.

>>713146850
meant to reply to>>713141717

>>713146571
D5 is the best game in the series, mechanically. The story and characters are really bland, but I think people overhate on them. Other than Seraphina, I'd rather have D5's characters over D3 or D4's cast (minus a few exceptions like Beryl and Val).

>>713146571
D5 as a story is boring as hell, even if I did like a few of the characters. As a game, it's maybe the best one, but it's really complex in ways that other games weren't. Be sure to take note of every last system if you want to go to Carnage Baal. That includes building up a Sage to nuke item world maps at max rank specifically so you get additional stats on your item.

>>713146954
Mmm
This raises a fun idea
If you could build your core cast for a disgaea game, who would it be? Between 5 and 7 people

>>713146850
Killia wasn't edgy, he was just boring, as was everything else about Disgaea 5.

>>713147327
Valvatorez, Raspberyl, Mr. Champloo, Pirilika, Rozalin, Gordon, Jennifer, and Desco.
Gordon and Jennifer share a slot because fuck you, I want 8, and I want Jennifer and Desco to interact.

>>713141521
Seems like everyone forgets Hundred Knight, which in fairness is completely fine. Gameplay was really a dull move that somehow got a sequel. Even if metallica was hot the whole gameplay loop wasn't worth it. Even without the rape.

>>713147327
Laharl, Etna, Flo-
>Between 5 and 7 people

Uh, shit. Um... Zed, Red Magnus, Pirilika, Majolene, and Christo. I'd like to fit Misedor, Higan, and Majorita in there, but they're redundant with some of the others I already picked.

>>713147698
Oh, I thought you meant they had to come from Disgaeas 5-7. Oh well, I gave my answer and I'll live with it.

>>713147659
The backstory and worldbuilding were fucking incredible
The story kinda sagged in the middle, though
Witch 2 was awful

>>713147762
Uh
Yeah
Like
A 5 to 7 man cast
Sorry I presented it oddly

>>713147659
Remember that they revealed they fired Izumi the day of the concert where like 1/3 of the music was from his games.

>>713148979
that is fucked up and hilarious.

>>713140997 (OP)
I know man, I feel really sad about it too, NIS is one of my favorite companies, but seeing them put out Disgaea 7 complete and then making it a game key card just was depressing, moreso when the standard "deluxe" edition is 70 bucks... they're going game key card and then still charge 70 bucks for the regular game, wtf. And then announce a new trails collector's edition that's like 200 bucks, and it's also a game key card.
Like dood, if you know your customers at all. They want collector's editions and own physical games, wtf am I supposed to do with a game key card.

>>713149620
don't follow companies, don't be a westoid, follow talent
basically nobody today that worked on disgaea 5 and before and the witch games works at NIS anymore, at this point the only OGs that remains are the artists that are simply cashing in their paychecks

>>713149680
Can't do that, anon, Etna is my waifu and I used to work for NISA, I love the company, I just hate this.

>>713143734
>complains about NIS
>posts an image about NISA

>>713140997 (OP)
We need to talk about Etna instead.

>>713140997 (OP)
all japanese developers and publishers are going full retard right now.
They want the world that existed when the Vita was still the dominant Otaku handheld to come back, thinking they can mold the switch 2 into it. They're in for bankruptcy or a complete change of management until they get the fucking hint that none of these companies are on their side.

If you want to see another set of companies that are on their way to the poor house, look at Idea Factory (releasing literal garbage ware while only staying afloat because of Neptunia) and poor, dumb Marvelous (STILL thinking farming sims will save them when the last one did terribly). Genuine stupid motherfucker syndrome.

>>713143734
They don't even do a good job with weeb shit, that's the worst part. people would buy Disgaea if they didn't attach stupid fucking things to it like
>NISA
and
>retarded platform exclusivity

>>713146779
>Why is NIS being retarded about DisgaeaD2?

GAME KEYCARDS DUDE LOL WE CAN SAVE SO MUCH MONEY
>third party game keycard sales are abysmal and people are only buying Switch 2s for Mario Kart and Donkey Kong

>>713150717
anon, pretty much the only ones that haven't bent the knee are the ones you mentioned
even segay surrendered to the switch ecosystem and so did SE

I'm not buying 3D games if they can't even make the chibis hot and well animated.
I simply refuse.

>>713149739
> Etna is my waifu and I used to work for NISA,
What did you do there anon? Tell us more.
Did you get fired during that first wave of layoffs way back when that happened when the good localizers were let go?

I'll be faster on buying 1 Complete for PC than I will with 7 at all.

>>713150883
That's the tragedy.
The only reason they haven't bent the knee is because the ones that have already bent the knee are using them as a scapegoat for all the weeb shit and banning their games off their platforms.
They don't get that trying to appeal to the companies that have already surrendered isn't going to work because they are using them to set an example to any other otaku dev still standing. They need to diversify, they need to stop pretending Japanese = their friend and realize the reality that all of it is being commanded from California.

>>713150917
3D was a budget saving measure because they went bankrupt.

>>713150717
>dumb Marvelous
unironically a leadership-only problem like with harada

>>713150981
>that all of it is being commanded from California.
And look at California now. Fucking riots in the cities and the state is burning to the ground. That better fucking wake them up knowing California bad and tells the state to suck on a big fat dick.

>>713150981
reminder CH already admitted they straight up lied about nintendo persecuting them and banning nep

>>713151149
Not my problem
Stop wasting all your money and actual artists on a dead gacha.

Will this ever be localized?

>>713151183
>3rd PS5
What is this kind of loyalty to people who backstabbed you called

>>713151149
seems like an asinine statement when they have been reusing the chibis with minimal changes literally since D2 and said 2d chibi sprites had like 15 frames of animation total including the idle animation and the hold-throw one (which monsters didn't even have)
they were also clearly working off a template given every single chibi looked off the same 3 or so body-type templates

>>713151295
Advanced stockholm syndrome.

>>713151241
That is Asian region so NoA has no control over that. NoA are full of cucks that hate anything Japanese and deserves to be shut down for good.

Also.
>Releasing the 3 games separately instead of in a compilation
For fuck sake. The Neptunia games are not that big file size. They average around 3-5GB and would easily fit all 3 in a single 16GB cart.

>>713147327
Assuming it gets to be like a full real game?
Mao Laharl Raspberyl Etna Pram Killia Gig

>>713151480
>>Releasing the 3 games separately instead of in a compilation
For full price no less, despite already announcing them for 40 a pop and the original announcement was in fact all three in a single cart.
Wonder what costs are they trying to offset with this.
Totally a mystery.

>>713151361
>seems like an asinine statement when they have been reusing the chibis with minimal changes literally since D2 and said 2d chibi sprites had like 15 frames of animation total including the idle animation and the hold-throw one (which monsters didn't even have)

I don't know if you remember but when they tried that, it eventually started running like shit in-engine and taking more time when they started putting these same chibi sprites + all the cleanup they had to do to make them look good on higher resolution televisions.

>>713151581
>that's less than carolism
It's so fucking over

I miss old NIS. Hell, even old NISA. They weren't the best, but, there was a time where they were the only route through for the most obscure shit, the stuff even Atlus didn't want to touch. I don't agree with some of their localization changes even during the good times, but fuck if I don't know sometimes you just can't get a translation to work done straight. They did some fuckin peak dubs, too. Soul Nomad is, to this day, a game I point to to say "sometimes a dub can improve the original work". Soul Nomad's dub is top fucking shelf.
I miss their PS2 golden age games.
I've watched a lot of the companies and developers I love wither away to dust, but it hurts worse for them for whatever reason.
It feels so... I dunno, preventable. Like, the big fuckups for NIS are, from whatever I've been able to gather, mostly just really bad decisions. I dunno. It just hurts.

>>713149739
If you did, and you were there for the localization of Disgaea 5, PLEASE, I have a burning question.
What the fuck happened to the generic unit voice packs between DD2 and D5? I know some of the uniques had contract issues, that I get, and I know line recycling is a thing, but I've operated under the wild hypothesis, that someone somehow deleted the entire log of voice clips, so they had to be reassembled from backups, and so ended up completely mixed up, or just broken like the Magic Knight pack that just has one line in it.
I know this is a shot in the dark, but this has kept be awake at night.
They're so fucked up in 5, and I have only guesses as to why.

>>713151581
>For full price no less, despite already announcing them for 40 a pop and the original announcement was in fact all three in a single cart.
>Wonder what costs are they trying to offset with this.

After the whole Tokyo Clanpool censorship bullshit, EAS literally committed business suicide and now this with selling the Neptunia Rebirth games separately instead of in a compilation.

Fuck em. They should've released Tokyo Clanpool uncensored but NOPE, they fucked up and lost their fanbase and followers. Nobody wants to buy censored shit and no one wants to buy 3 games separately instead of being in a compilation. NISA pulled this shit with Danganronpa 1 and 2 on Vita where the JP version of 1 and 2 were on a single cart in a compilation and when released to the west, NISA split the 2 and sold them separately. Fucking dick move. Hope those cock smokers at NISA and EAS go under.

>>713151183
>ps5
>now we can PLAY
o no no no no no no no

>>713151295
oh no, not third pis5
third pis5 PRO plus disk drives
this guy literally spent the yen cost of 2 small cars and a pickup truck (due to the last one being after price hikes) in snoy hardware

>>713150717
Japanese are a weird bunch. They're the antithesis of rebellious. Only in a blue moon do you get some renegade like Kaz Hirai who had to make the PS1 in secret so Sony management didn't have him thrown out of a window.

We need to talk about Etna's genitals

stop drawing Etna with a ridiculously FAT ass and body.

Diagaea hasn't been good since 2

Asagi will save the company from bankruptcy. Trust her.

>>713154371
I will play her game!
If it isn't gacha bullshit

>>713140997 (OP)
>Have gone all in on 3d chibis and refuse to quit
that means it's time for you to quit unless they change course

>>713150545
They're both terrible.

Whatever happened to that weird bartender game they were making anyways

>>713141781
Is this her design in the recently released game or did they cover it up?

>>713156749
That's her in the game
She's cool

This thread and its topic feel like they were made for me.

I'm in the same boat as some other anons here, I have a massive fondness towards NIS' output during their PS2/PSP days, and also during PS3/Vita times. Their approach to being unapologetically Japanese and most of it getting through with the English language versions were fascinating and was backed with actually really fun games that always had a ton stuff to play for the price. In fact you can still access the promotional site of Disgaea 3's Vita port, and you can just feel the magic when you read through all that stuff, especially marketing the fact that all prior DLC was included for no extra cost and the whole package really offering a ton of stuff for the asking price. Where the hell did all that go? Who the fuck is responsible for this hellscape we have in front of us now?

It has got to a point where I just don't buy their games anymore, unless they are on a sale but even the sales have gone to shit. There used to be big seasonal sales in their webstore, the kind that even with their exorbitant shipping fees it was worth it to make an order of at least three games since the sale prices were so low that they would offset the expensive shipping and you'd still end up with a good deal. It's been years since my last purchase, and now every promotional email feels like a grim reminded of how shit things have become. I hate it with a burning passion.

And the worst part is that all this could have easily been prevented, both on NIS and NISA side. As much as the current situation pains me, it's not anybody else's fault than their own. I'm not going to buy Switch 2 just for Disgaea 7's complete edition. It's the exact same shit they pulled with Coven's overseas release, leaving out the original platform fans had been asking the game for for over a year.
(Character limit is acting up, will continue in another post)

>>713158476
I was a very active customer of theirs during the Vita days, and I fucking miss it, the feeling of actually still trusting some company to be able to provide the kinds of games I'd feel good about paying the full price for. Just think of how much of that kind of sentiment you still have left towards anything. I, for one, have next to none. It's not like I wouldn't have the money if I wanted to use it on games, I just don't want to anymore. I can't help but feel all that goddamn greed and hubris to the point that it's driving me away as a longtime fan.

Thank god I at least have my Vita TV, that way I can play all the PSP and Vita stuff I have on my download list either on a handheld or the big screen. It's not HD quality, per se, but it's still perfectly playable and especially with all their soul intact, and not some goddamn cashgrab that implements useless microtransactions into a complete edition ofa game that really did not fucking need them (Disgaea 4 Complete+) or straight up remove content that was originally there (ZHP's Dengeki crossover content).

In a kind of fugd up way I kind of wish they'd go bankrupt at this point, we've seen enough of this already. Just let it die already, I don't want to see any more of this misery anymore. I wouldn't want it to be this way, but at this point I have no hope for things getting any better.

Even though I already played it, I want the Witch and the Hundred Knight to be on Steam. I just miss Metallica, kinda want to see her again.

>>713150717
Honestly the vita and 3ds dead was a big blow

>>713156701
Released in Japan only to flop. They never bothered to release it overseas despite NIS games typically doing better outside of Japan.

>>713158476
Pretty much, I loved NIS' early stuff, then the PS3 era hit and suddenly all their games started having enough day 1 on-disc DLC to match the price of the game, and I stopped buying anything unless it either didn't pull that shit or it got a discounted complete edition down the line.
They tried to jew their fanbase and all they did was push me away.

Play Disgaea RPG, kill discord niggers and trannies

ive been ignoring SRPGs for literally 20+ years until the end of 2023 when i finally decided to give Disgaea 1 a try...
Long story short, I HATED the first 6 hours and i even posted in a thread here on /v saying how tedious and overrated it was and it took me sooo many hours to finish the first 3-4 chapters & anons mocked me... then BAM! it just clicked after those initial 6-7 hours and i couldnt stop playing.
Then i ended up finishing D2, then 4 , D2 (which was a lot of fun), then finally D5 and even 6.
People who say the "real" game begins after you finish the stories are autistic retards tho, i just move on to the next game after doing postgame sidequests (i never try going to Baal and doing endless grinds).

With that said, i wont be sad if NIS goes down, they're being retarded on purpose and i cant believe they are shitting on their customers to this extent

>>713160248
>Gacha
No.

>>713160416
retard

>>713160023
They deserve to die then, I was looking forward to it but I'm not learning moonrunes.

I didn't bother buying Disgaea 7 because I knew they'd release a complete version eventually like they always do, and now they don't want to release it to be jews.

>>713160498
Wait it out. They tried this before with 6's localization, only to give up after a while.

>>713158476
>>713158687
We've entered into a very strong anti-Japanese period. Yes, Anime is bigger than ever. Japanese media is bigger than ever. But not Japanese-ness itself. It has to be scrubbed and sanitized away as much as possible without completely altering the product. It's Toonami of the early 2000s, but for adults. Especially telling is the current vitriol leveled at heterosexual attraction. Things that were acceptable 10 years ago, are not acceptable now.
I think some of the blame is that they went too far in spreading Anime, Manga, and more Japan-centric genres of video games to normies. They've made Otaku and Hikki pandering media mainstream, but normies aren't equipped for that stuff. It activates their weirdness/"other" alarms.

It bothers me because as someone who has been watching subbed anime since the 90s, I've seen lots of change over the years. Often for the better. But now as an old man, I'm learning that widespread normalization/adoption of niche hobbies has only harmed them all, and sadly in a lot of cases it may be irreparable.

>>713150926
Sorry, went to the gym.
I used to be a freelance translator for their eShop and PSN store metadata for my country's language.
I eventually got replaced by machine translations because they couldn't keep paying for translations for all the required european languages on the eShop and PSN store.
But I knew a bunch of NISA employees personally back when the forum was still alive, a lot of them were good people.
>>713151748
Sorry man, I worked FOR nisa, not AT nisa, so I don't have that information.

>>713160736
>I used to be a freelance translator for their eShop and PSN store metadata for my country's language.
I eventually got replaced by machine translations because they couldn't keep paying for translations for all the required european languages on the eShop and PSN store.
Dude, I feel the need to personally apologize to you. Back when I was in college I was assblasted so much over the fact that Legasista was not made available in my country due to the whole store language debacle that I messaged NISA about how other publishers have just used Google Translate to make their country-specific store pages, provided them with screenshot evidence and said that I wouldn't mind if they did the same as long as it would make the games available, and not long after the game appeared with its laughably chonky machine translation store page. I think you are still able to find some of them on PSN. I might have partial blame in you getting the boot.

>>713161212
It's all good man. I literally got the job because I wanted an Etna avatar on PSN that wasn't available for my country because the PSN store stuff wasn't translated, and I applied to them through the forum and got the job ( though in the end I never got my Etna avatar because that wasn't among the stuff they had me translate )
Working for them was a good experience though.

>>713161385
To think I could have had the same gig but for my country if I had just tried to officially apply instead of offering to do it for them for free, goddamn. But this was a super cool tidbit to find out about, so thanks for that!

>>713161485
I mean I did have a Master's english certificate to show them to get the job, so it wasn't like you could just say "hey I want this job" and get it.

>>713140997 (OP)
sextna

>>713150614
Fine, what do you want to discuss about Etna?

>>713160248
I did, then they nuked the EN server by being absolutely retarded.
>Play JP
I refuse to play game that is 90% menu crawling in a language i can't read, i'm not that masochistic.

>>713161831
her flat chest

>>713161868
Why wear a bra (crop top? whatever that is) if no boobs?

>>713161831
Etna is the best, I love her so much.

>>713162150
romantic nipples

>>713162204
That? Funny.

>>713162418
hm?

>>713161853
you barely have to read anything though

If NIS actually goes under, which company would you hope buys the rights to their IPs?

Is 5 still the only one that's got good replayability
I liked the char world in it.

>>713162627
5's char world is great. Give me a separate minigame over some tedious and awkward bejeweled levels (that still have normal monster battles trying to distract you)

>>713151183
That guy hasn't worked at Marvelous for years? The fuck are you talking about.

>Buy game
>Get cartridge
>Game is not on the cartridge itself

>>713162553
That's a worse-case scenario. I don't think any entity with the money to spend on acquiring IP's ever does right by them. And they'll definitely play it safe and avoid the series' patent perversions.

I just wanted to slop ichigo pantsu but got this instead

>>713140997 (OP)
Okay it's time for the Flonne x Etna full on rape sim / marriage and living together happily sim

>>713166892
Looks edible, if you pluck the stems off.

But didn't NIS announce like a few months ago their next game is an action RPG? If it's truly an ARPG then that is likely not gonna use chibis.

>>713148979
based
get that degenerate shit-loving yuricuck out of this industry

>>713140997 (OP)
>>Disgaea 7 finally gets its global complete edition BUT it's only available for Switch 2 AND ITS A FUCKING GAME KEY CARD INSTEAD OF A PHYSICAL CARTRIDGE
Still at 100% stock btw, yeah its gonna flop as it deserves.

https://store.nisamerica.com/products/disgaea-7-complete-ewwdo-edition?_pos=1&_psq=disgaea+7+complete&_ss=e&_v=1.0

>>713150883
>even segay surrendered to the switch ecosystem and so did SE
Where the Fatlus games then?

>>713168113
You can buy Disgaea 5 on the same platform, the game which everyone recommends as a beginning point, and those who don't will instead recommend 1 which is also available

honestly their ps2/psp era seemed to be their peak. there's a lot of good JRPGs on there with quite decent stories but it never really felt like they went all out on anything. everything just feels too...safe? (i know it's kinda ironic for them but then again they're peak ironic weebcore) but nothing felt like their breakout game.

>>713167398
Flonne is for Laharl-chan

>>713140997 (OP)
Good riddance, i'd rather see them go under than continue getting the absolute dogshit games we've gotten out consistently after Disgaea 5. i don't think they can even come back anymore.

>>713141521
This anon is retarded and talking out of his butt
>>713142312
This anon knows how it really went

Atlus are the only ones with the chops who could reinvigorate Disgaea. The problem is aren't they suffering as well. But absorbing smaller companies usually is a good thing.

>>713146041
not really no

>>713169241
>SMTxDisgaea
Sounds like fun

I really like the chibis and can't wait to see how they look when Disgaea 8 comes out. I do hope they eventually make them slightly less chibi though over time so we can get some more proportioned characters to be able to enjoy size differences and such fully. The lolis would be even more erotic if you could see how small and flat they are compared to something like a Nekomata.

>>713169241
modern atlus is incapable of making anything good
t. SMTfag

Any one else see parralels of Disgaea's leveling system to wuxia slop. Like if you adapted all the tropes from those books you would have enough elements to make a hundred games but if you copied the best elements of the more interesting ones you have the potential to do more. Also it feels like this is one of the series that should of had unique game play mechanics for characters instead of just generic turn mechanics. I always thought wouldn't it be cool if you paired units together to give them a chess like ability to change the battlefield.

>>713169241
>>713169309
Square Enix published Persona 4.

>>713141415
nobod ywant 2d garbage pokemon is garbage becauze gf is incompetent, all 3d game monster collection game look good palwordl digimon monzter hunter ztoriez etc.. except pokeshit

>>713152179
>Tokyo Clanpool
Any news on the uncensor patch? Apparently it was meant to release sometime this summer last I heard.

>>713169453
That's nice but I meant the Atlus teams behind Etrian Odyssey. I think their branch is dried up / dead though

>>713169515
Devil Survivor x Disgaea?

>>713151241
>in Asia
So literally nothing changed?

>>713169309
Fuck yeah, Netherworld Mirage Sessions!

>>713169626
There were some faggots insisting that Asia was censoring or something tbf. I'm pretty sure anon is just countering that narrative. Doomers on 4chan tend to lie a lot, this thread itself is a good example.

>>713169478
even their 2d games look like shit lol

>>713169685
You know with how weird Disgaea is normally I wouldn't be put off by a game about idols

>>713169805
It would fit too as one of DD2's "bad" endings was FemLaharl becoming an idol, working for Hoggmeiser.

What theme do you hope the next Disgaea will have? Something more Western fantasy again, another thing that is Japanese, another one that leans into space opera like 5, something spooky, etc.? I personally hope that they do another thing based off of history like how Disgaea 7 was based off the the opening of Japan. I don't know how knowledgeable the Japanese are about this, but something based off of the American Revolution could be cool. A story where you are in a set of netherworlds being colonized by another and have to break free.

>>713170091
wild west

>>713170091
I still have hope they make a sport based story one day, but they missed the olympics so meh.

>>713170002
it pains me that people rarely ever talk about DD2. it's my favorite game in the whole series.it seems to me like most people don't even know it exists, even among the fanbase

>>713161745
That's cute.

>>713170002
I was over the whole gender bender thing when female Laharl came out. All I could think about was she is a waste since she couldn't be a permanent character due to bad writing. Could have easily introduced her as a part of the family in some way.

>>713161745
This is NOT canon Flonne is NOT a cuckeen

I want etna to give me full body naizuri via jumbification

>>713170357
flonne doesn't know what sex is

>>713169241
For a long time I mistakenly thought Atlus were the Disgaea devs.

>>713170357
Etna is like a sister to him so it's a bit like family bonding

>>713170425
I wish. I want a Disgaea and Dept. Heaven crossover

>>713170357
I think there's a very good chance Laharl is hitting both.

>>713170498
That's Sting, who are butt buddies with Atlas but not actually Atlas

>>713170203
DD2 has a great balanced gameplay but is plagued with "fire spelt can melt the console" memes (well it was true but it was patched), and the story mode was HORRENDOUS, especially near the end

>>713162553
Nintendo would be the funniest fucking thing, because the tears would be fucking unreal. But more realistically it would be Sega.

>>713170650
I feel like Sega would ruin it. Nintendo is unironically more likely to let the sex appeal stay if they keep Nis as a company under them like Monolith.

>>713170523
wtf they're both like 10x cuter with costume swap, i love it.

>>713140997 (OP)
I really really really don't understand how switching to 3d models is cheaper then to make 2d sprites.
You can reuse all of the 2d sprites and animations from previous hd games and no one would ever complain, switching to 3d means you have to remake absolutely everything starting from scratch.
Another thing thats insanely retarded is they just remake the new characters in 2d sprites anyway for the mobile game and give them multiple outfits, I don't fucking get it when they say its cheaper especially when they do both.

>>713170650
the best thing about nintendo would be that they would actually work the whole system to offer a balanced game, which in the end would feel a bit dull.

>>713170790
Costume swaps and hairstyle changes tickle a funny part of my brain. I'm not sure anything actually changed for the better, but I love it regardless.

>>713170523
Very high possibility. At least with Flonne there's probably no blackmail involved.

>>713170790
>evil demon and nice angel
vs
>evil angel and nice demon
of course the one that goes against expectation feels fresher.
Saint Etna and Fallen flonne still feel like "bad demon good angel" too.

>>713170912
There is a really official good art where I believe she is stealing Asanagi's clothes and you can she her butt cheeks in the background.

>>713170827
because sprites can't easily be clothes/itemized. because there's a finite thing you can do with your characters hopping on place and raising their arm to convey actions.

>>713170778
>>713170840
I didn't say Nintendo would be worse, I just said it would be funny. Sega would probably be way worse, but it's a lot more realistic and probably bad to be real.

>>713171094
>clothes/itemized
Fuck it?

>>713162553
Dotemu because they have a really good developer track record (not as a publisher though imho) and their hand drawn art style for Streets of Rage 4 would work really well with Disgaea

>>713168636
They lost a lot of their PS2/PSP-era employees after Disgaea 4. You still had some okay non-Disgaea output in the form of Witch and the Hundred Knight, the Labyrinth games, or Mad Rat Dead, but even those people are in the process of leaving NIS.

>>713170827
3D has some distinct advantages:
You can get crazy with camera angles, and look at characters from any direction. Very useful with Disgaea's dramatic attack animations.
You can make more tweaks to characters without having to draw a whole new sprite sheet. For example, you can put a new hat on them, or glasses, or bunny ears.

Until Disgaea starts capitalizing on this new avenue of cosmetic customization, they really aren't living up to the advantages of 3D.

>>713171142
of course jewtendo only care is money

>>713171232
Why didn't we get that instead of the roid behemoth?

>>713170912
Anybody is improved when they wear Etna's costume.

>>713170980
>evil angel and nice demon
This is already disgaea in a nutshell. Not that these two were the ones playing against archetype.

>>713171483
Red Flonne is such a downgrade from Angel Cadet

>all the way in Fall
that means it'll be 4k right
I can look at felynn tatas in 4k
right?

>>713171357
idk, though Floyd is my favorite to play, even though i find the way he looks very annoying. I wish we'd gotten more updates but the good news is Dotemu hasn't actually developed another game besides Windjammers 2 since SoR4 so it's my hope that they're working on 5.

>>713170912
wifey oooooooohhhhhhhhh wifey need

>>713171232
>(not as a publisher though imho)
That's all they are. Streets of Rage 4 for instance was developed by Guard Crush Games (they did the gameplay) and Lizardcube (they did the visuals). Not a single one of Dotemu's recent games was developed in house, they're merely a publisher, but at least they seem to have a good eye on who to contract.

>>713171293
My favorite part is the panties. Some characters like Pirilika have such a posture that you can even see them in her regular pose in the character viewer. You also have stuff like the maiko where she has a move that literally opens with a panty shot.

>>713171483
fallen flonne is technically a demon though .

>>713171437
At long last, Etna's outfit on an actual succubus. Of which Etna herself is not

>>713172371
Windjammers 2 only has Dotemu listed as developer on the steam page, and SoR4 has them as the main developer, though i haven't looked at the credits in the game closely before. I believe you though. Well then let me change my answer to Guard Crush Games and Lizardcube. but i think i'd like Dotemu to hold the rights to the series.

>>713172497
If Etna isn't a succubus, then what is she?

>>713172371
Bad news then, Guard Crush Games has been working on some DnD themed beatem up with rpg elements which imo didn't mesh well and didn't feel good to play. The demo is out on steam right now. feels like they wanted to make Dragon Crown.

how many disgaea characters have the full combo of horns, wings and a tail

Harada should work on more games

a bit sad that DD2 was really the last one to have proper harada art that could fill a whole art book. There's just not enough stuff with the D5,6, and now 7 cast. I guess NIS can't pay him enough anymore.

>>713172825
She's a majin, which is really not that well defined evenin the lore. supposedly they are the most powerfull demon race, but you don't really know where they come from, and how they are different from say, "humanoid demons" like the generic classes. they shape isn't even really coherent.

>>713173058
>when Laharl peeks into the girls' hot spring

>coomer trash game
Good is dying

>>713172825
She's a generic demon who also thinks she's the sexiest ever because she's an arrogant little brat

>>713140997 (OP)
Wouldn't be /v/ without your random pedo threat

>>713172895
I've seen it and have the demo installed but haven't gotten around to actually trying it yet. Shame its a rougeshite but surely the core gameplay should be decent at least?

>>713173423
Luckily for you, it isn't dying and in fact has gone on its entire existence without any censorship. Now with a gacha game, the company also has a lot of spare money.

>>713172825
The humanoid demons of disgaea don't seem to be called anything except what their job is. I don't know why Etna needs to BE something except "Vassal"

>>713173423
good things are indeed dying, I agree

>>713173260
>>713173449
>>713173625
Could Etna not be the demon equivalent of a wigger or one of those immigrants who assimilates to black culture? In essence, Etna is a succubus is spirit.

>>713173583
I didn't enjoy it but i'm very picky. try it and let me know what you think

>>713173727
no, she's a born and raised demon. DD2 kinda try to give her a backstory but it doesn't really explain anything, except that she now has a "secret power potential" inside her that she need to keep in check to not destroy the universe (probably not canon anymore). Considering how many "demons" there are, it's easier to consider the netherworld as a planet, and all their inhabitants are demonds, just like all creature from earth are earthlings. then humanoids demons create a societey like humans. animals demons often gets sentient and create parallel societies. Majins seems to be a master race amongst humanoid demon, but its unclear if its a rare thing they can be born into, or something that can be achieved, or if it's a fully racial thing that just happens to look "nearly human" like succubuses and vampire.
In older games transmigrations made it clear that hoping from body to body required a soul transfer, but recent games makes it like it's trivial which blurs the line.

>>713173727
She doesn't seem to give a shit about succubi though. Only herself and her own narcissistic self image. Pretty much an ideal demon trait when you think about it.

>>713174178
>>713174204
I suppose it makes it hotter that she is a little slut without it being in her nature. Etna is not a succubus.

>>713170402
I can teach her

>>713174482
I wish Disgaea were an H game like the Rance series and I got to play as Laharl and do ecchi stuff with Etna and Flonne and possibly the female generics and maybe even Jennifer

>>713175073
alice soft during their prime, pre-rancequest, buying the rights to the disgaea series would have been peak. pure peak

>>713175023
no

>>713175510
cutest bimbo

Disgaea 4 on PS3 was the last disgaea that had heart in it

>>713175073
I fucking wish. These games were made for harem building.

>>713170170
gunslinger sexo

>>713176556
yeah.
d5 has the gameplay down but you can feel the shift.

>>713140997 (OP)
wait are they going to go out of business? damn that sucks, maybe they should try making a good game. Feels like it's been a while

>>713140997 (OP)
>Have gone all in on 3d chibis and refuse to quit (even though the graphics look worse than Blue Archive)
That's the main thing for me, it just looks so bad and cheap in a series where, let's be honest, like 80% of the draw has been the art. Etna's ass is what puts asses in seats, so to speak.

>>713140997 (OP)
damn phantom brave has a 50% user rating on steam and apparently it's a buggy mess?

if they haven't fixed it still that's a really bad sign in terms of what it says about whatever resources they have on hand to manage basic quality control

maybe they really will go under

although maybe if they do the IP and talent could get picked up by other people who could use it better? probably wishful thinking actually

>>713172909
I think Raspberyl might be literally it.
Most Disgaea characters have 2 of horns, wings, or tails. Priere has horns and wings, so does Pram, Stella has horns and a tail, calling rabbit ears and a tail is a bit awkward but that would fit Usalia.
Maybe desco, if you accept the tentacles as wings, except the clearly "tail" one?
Etna has wings and a tail, but I can't think of anyone else with that combo
Flonne... is a weird case, because the tail looks like part of her costume, and the horns are her ribbon. Her blue ribbon is mentioned as being her halo, so it's a bit more significant than just a random accessory, I guess.

>>713179215
Is the Japanese version on consoles also known for being buggy? NISA has a habit of breaking everything they touch.

>>713179130
at some point you will maybe realize that you are and old boomer complaining about things that are 10+ old and still act like it's last week's sensational news

>>713179215
It had/s a memory leak.
I dunno exactly what the leak is, but since the crash happens when a menu opens, I assume it's related to that.
Basically, every few maps, the game will crash.
I have no idea if an update has fixed it or not, 'cuz quitting back to the main menu solves it, and I just habitually do that every couple maps on instinct.
I know, related, there's a bug where the autosaves made for returning to the hub don't play well with quest battle completion. Loading an autosave made when you return from a quest battle will miss timing or some shit, never complete the quest, but still see the quest battle as being done, so not repeatable. I keep backup saves just 'cuz I'm paranoid, so ai could fix it, but that actually did happen to me in my playthrough, for the recruitment battle for Dragons, since I got a leak crash not too long after I got back from tbat

This series went to shit the minute they gave the cleric giant tits

>>713180382
Fuck you, Makai Kingdom is fun.

>>713178092
D22 was a mistake
The biggest mistake?cheat shop

This is unironically one of the greatest character designs I have ever seen. I don't even know what Disgaea is really, I just found out about it last week while looking for DS roms to download on my phone. But when I saw Etna she immediately caught my attention and I felt that I had seen her somewhere before as if she was a very well-known mascot character. I remember feeling the same when as a kid I found out about SpongeBob.

>>713179542
>Raspberyl is the most monstrous, demonic cast member the series has ever had
I mean, she is a monster unit?
Is that the rub?
Show up to work with 2 of the 3, you're fine, show up with all 3, you're a monster unit now?
Or is she a monster because she's short. Hanako is a monster, and short.

Does Laharl's little weenie really not get stiff even when he regularly sees Flonne and Etna nude?

7 was great, fuck off shills

The industry needs to stop censoring shit that’s the only issue at hand

>>713180824
Laharl has been through a lot.
He needs to be made to feel supremely safe around scary girls.

>>713180382
I'm not sure what's worse, that they got rid of D1's cleric's flat justice or that they changed male clerics to be femboys

>>713180824
No

>>713180824
he's very conscious about his small penis so he doesn't want others to see his erection

>>713181252
Same honestly

>>713180923
7 was more graphic than 6 since it even brought back the Nekomata. It is a shame the Succubus was stuck with old generic special attacks though that didn't really feel sexy. Hopefully 8 will give her a new moveset. Would be cool if the ass attack and naked attack come back. I can also imagine something where the succubus approaches another unit in their bed at night, a lot more is possible with 3d models.

>>713181141
Naaah
The male healer's great.
He fits into an important niche for rounding out the cast of generics.

>>713180548
I like it

>>713181498
no, fuck off, I don't want pederasty in my games
Disgaea was kino for having flat chests that weren't blatant lolis, they took that away and put in this gay bullshit and I'll always be mad

>>713181498
Pairs off well with female characters, too.
Cute boy being protected and lusted after by big, tough girls is kino

>>713181141
She was never flat, she just didn't have as big of a chest as she does now.

>>713181748
This image made me uoh regardless

>>713181709
AND is a good balance with the somewhat more androgynous female classes like the Thief.

>>713182221
Forgot pic

>>713181498
It is just nice having a trap in the game because it is another fetish. Stuff that is just back to back fetish material is always the best.

>>713140997 (OP)
Most of these PS2-Vita era otaku devs are in trouble
Compile Heart games are barely selling more than 1k in Japan anymore and peaking at fucking 22 players on Steam. (In comparison, in Jan 2015 Neptunia Rebirth 1 was the best selling game of Steam that month)

Falcom seems like they're on an alright path, but Trails is falling off in Japan, people are ready for it to end and who knows what they'll come up with to replace it.
Aquaplus would have shut down after Monochrome Mobius if some conglomerate hadn't swooped in and bought them

Gacha did a number on this whole subgenre

>>713181645
>I don't want pederasty in my games
I think you've come to the wrong franchise.
Hanako happened in 2.

>>713182183
Its her wide hips.

>>713182352
>Gacha did a number on this whole subgenre
the root of all evil

>>713182384
Those are girls, ESL-kun
Also the loli shit didn't start until D2

>>713181498
They've never shied away from shota too much, either, so other flavors of shota being explored was just an inevitability

>>713182607
I'm retarded and can't read
but either way I jumped ship when I saw uoh children
Disgaea has one game in my eyes

>>713181498
I used to think male healer was a cute girl.
I drew "her" as a sexy milf.

>>713182607
Anon
Etna has always looked and acted 14
Laharl has always looked and acted 13.
And they were teasing about Laharl crossdressing, or being surrounded by big boobie ladies until he dies in Disgaea 1.

>>713146571
disgaea 1 was the first le edgy demons-are-the-good-guys bit of media
now there are indie animators like Vivziepop flooding the market, and le heckin misunderstood demon antihero has become epic cringe as a result, and stuff like Frieren of the Funeral is now the new hotness

>>713182942
...can I see it?

>>713182827
The first game has the queen of all uoh children in it, how could you ever think that this was anything other than a loli-shota game? The main artist himself also makes quite a bit of saucy arts, not to mention the increasingly perverse outfit in the gacha.

>>713183065
Don't have it anymore, this was like...D4 5? So like 10 yrs ago.
Imagine male healer but taller, curvier and mega tits poppin out. Then i found that they gave us a male healer and that was the design and I was like "why do we need a male/female healer?".

>>713182607
Nta but loli has been there since the beginning. The artist's own mascot character that has been in every game is a loli.

>>713183041
Disgaea doesn't fully make out the demons to be good. In fact, their society is established to be somewhat barbaric in many places. You only don't see a lot of it because the game is T and it would also mess with the humorous feeling. But there is plenty implication of mass carnage, torture, rape, etc. The main cast of these games probably regularly walk past stuff like displays of severed heads and public orgies with animals. You only side with them because they are the main characters, funny, typically slightly nicer than the others, and because they have lofty goals they are super dedicated to achieving.

>>713182984
>>713183105
There are moments where Etna acts like a mature adult, and she is at least a teenager physically, which is still young but normalized and at least not loli. I can look at her and roll my eyes and say "oh Japan" in a way I can't when I see Beryl.
>>713183403
Pleinair looks pubescent in most of her depictions
Laharl is clearly a young boy physically but he's not played up sexually; the whole point of showing his fear of sexy women is to show his innocent side that he tries to cover up because demonkind would see it as weakness
The crossdressing thing was an obvious gag from a time before society got sick enough to actually be into that shit on a larger scale

>>713146571
I gonna be the odd man and say that i enjoy 6 more than 5

NIS needs to make a porn Disgaea with straight up graphic sex scenes (sprites AND cgs)

>>713182984
>>713183105
There are moments where Etna acts like a mature adult, and she is at least a teenager physically, which is still young but normalized and at least not loli. I can look at her and roll my eyes and say "oh Japan" in a way I can't when I see Beryl.
Laharl is clearly a young boy physically but he's not played up sexually; the whole point of showing his fear of sexy women is to show his innocent side that he tries to cover up because demonkind would see it as weakness
The crossdressing thing was an obvious gag from a time before society got sick enough to actually be into that shit on a larger scale.
>>713183403
Pleinair looks pubescent in most of her depictions

>>713140997 (OP)
the witch series guy left NIS so yeah that coupled with recent NIS retardo decisions probably means its joever

>>713182942
>>713183065
Mine time to shine!, if this is yours.

>>713183486
Etna is 100% loli
Know what, scrap that, 200% loli
The fact that Japan makes these characters is what makes them a nation ascendant above all others.

>>713183573
i lover paizuri set

>>713183340
>milf bustyboy
I see
I see
Good stuff

>>713183684
I'll repopulate her kingdom with Majorita's children

>>713183664
I like it

>>713183671
Etna looks pubescent, if only barely. Her proportions are not that of a child. She's just either a late bloomer or she will have a small bust in adulthood

>>713183664
The fact that the male healer's clothes are canonically full of nails, thorns, and other pointy things make this image a bit uncomfortable.

I would rather Disgaea die than get another chibi game, bring back the goddamn sprites

>>713183486
You can be in denial if you want but Pleinair is and has always been a loli and the artist's preferred body type. If you somehow mistakenly thought all the young looking flat girls in Disgaea 1 were not loli then that's on you but it's not a series for people that are averse to these sort of designs. Harada's art became "cuter" and more "moe" over time but it's always been there since the first game.

>>713183839
The true motive of the doomers revealed

>>713182352
Sony, Steam and Nintendo writing up retarded guidelines seemingly specifically to block these devs out of the market has objectively been far more damaging. How are they supposed to compete with gacha when they aren't allowed to do the main thing gacha sells itself on? Even the people that would have stayed are dropping out because it's not hard to see how whipped CH, Inti Creates, Marvelous, etc. are now compared to before. They seriously need to start a coalition movement to pressure these platforms to cut the shit out. There's a real chance Disgaea 7 Complete is just going to get cockblocked by Nintendo and that is a problem almost entirely unique to this pseudo-genre. The deplatforming has to stop.

>>713183895
Even if I accept that Pleinair is loli, it doesn't change my other points about D1, and she wasn't even originally in that game. And even when she got put in, her depiction in that game isn't childlike

>>713183895
This image and many others by him are really beautiful. Makes me want to do by art reps. Why are lolicons always actual artists and typically some of the best in their fields? Do people with an IQ above a certain threshold just all become lolicons?

>>713184040
>she wasn't even originally in that game.
She always was, she just wasn't always playable

>>713183916
I swear I have read this post verbatim before in another thread, I got extreme de ja vu reading it

>>713184040
Pleinair walks around in an oversized shirt with no bottom and hauls around plushies that she occasionally chews on...
Just admit that you fapped to her or Etna or something.

>>713184040
>and she wasn't even originally in that game
What? She's been there since the beginning, did you even play the first Disgaea? Loli is not a hard age cutoff either, it's more of a body type.

>>713182352
Anime style games have been on their way out for a while now, unfortunately. Nobody found a good way around the expanding development costs, meanwhile the audience interested in them isn't growing.
You either become a sellout or you slowly and painfully fade away in this industry.

>>713143220
its great

>>713184154
People keep parroting it everywhere because it gives them a "problem" to worry about. It is mainly just the western branches causing issues though and a lot of these companies shutting down while new guys just make gacha. Gacha, while shit most of the time, seem to be getting more serious gameplay over time so the problem will sort out itself. It isn't impossible to make and release these games, it is just that there isn't enough manpower and resources for it anymore.

>>713169480
At this point I honestly dont even believe it exists, EAS just used it to damage control while the Tokyo Clanpool controversy was hot

>>713184118
>>713184372
I honestly forgot because her role is so tiny, but she's still just a face portrait and sprite, neither of which look like she's younger than 13.
>Loli is not a hard age cutoff either, it's more of a body type
This is the retarded thought process that leads to clearly adult women with small chests getting tagged as loli on boorus
>>713184232
She behaves in a childlike manner. Some guys like that, it's a type for sure. Doesn't mean she's a loli. These are not a child's proportions.

>>713183916
NIS has never really made the type of ecchi game that has trouble these days, we've seen enough that their character designs didn't have to take a hit.
People (esp in Japan/Asia) would rather do ZZZ dailies than play Phantom Brave The Lost Hero today, it's sadly how it is.

>>713184575
>These are not a child's proportions.
That is true for 90% of the most popular lolis. In part due to some exaggeration for sex appeal. But mainly because they are depicting pubescent girls. That is what loli means, a girl who is freshly pubescent.

>>713184734
Revisionism. The cutoff is pubescence, as any girl that has reached it loses the need for a specific descriptor. Under your definition, literal child characters would not be considered loli and you are lying through your teeth if you tell me that's anywhere consistent with reality.

>>713184659
I think the main thing that has trouble is when you interact with the girls. The "feminist" types can lie to themselves if it is just 80% naked lolis skipping around. However, it is irrefutable who it is made for when you have mechanics dedicated to groping, looking up skirts, dating, etc. They view it as evil and think the player shouldn't be allowed to do those things. You can see the panties, you just can't receive points for it. Nis doesn't really do mechanics like this, which is why they don't run into issues.

>>713184105
It's a broader pattern
Generally, limitation is more the sign of low IQ, and freedom of expression the sign of high.
There's a proven correlation between frequency of cursing and intelligence, for example, and it isn't that intelligent people inherently curse more, it's that they stop themselves from cursing less. Sure, strategically they might, but it's related to self policing of thought and expression, not so much the outright inability to self control. In fact, that's the other important aspect.
The low IQ behavior is to be terrified of wrongthink, live in fear slippery slopes into whatever bugbear of "degeneration" they believe exists, and believe whole heartedly that a step on a path means you will reach the logical extreme of it, and so any and all expression of that thing must be censored, controlled, and restrained.
In the case of loli, the low IQ take is to believe that looking at the body of an underage person, with anything other than disgust, will inevitably lead to sexual assault of minors. The high IQ take is to understand that there are worlds of difference between these two stages, and to not be afraid of it.
I can't say if there's logical grounding in this. It may well be the case that both perspectives are right in their own way, the low IQ actually are incapable of nuanced self moderation, and it really is an all or nothing case for them, while the higher IQ can handle holding moderate points. I don't know that.

Put another way, low IQ thought pattern is the belief that lighting a fire in your house can burn it down, so will always burn it down, so fire must be feared, smothered if it is seen, and those who want to build them should be removed, while high IQ thought is that fire can absolutely exist in a home, in safe places to have one, and it is in fact quite useful and life improving to do so.

>>713184575
Drawings don't have ages and birth certificates anon. Loli refers to anime girls only and is a body type.

>>713185241
Oh, you're one of those retards. Stay away from schools.

>>713185046
You remind me of a faggot on /a/ yesterday who was insisting the Illya girls weren't lolis. If nearly everyone, including the Japanese who made the term and the creator of the character, consider her a loli. Then it makes no sense to tell people not to trust their "lying" eyes. Especially since people didn't have issue with this is the past. It is only recently you have people insisting that anything that isn't a baby isn't a loli. It is an obvious operation to try to fracture are communities because we scare these people due to being to happy. A loli is a loli, no matter what you say.

>>713183573
They forced Izumi to remove the gay shota blowjob scene from Galleria so there is just an unused sprite in the files. They will never be cool enough to make Disgaea extra horny.

>>713185540
There's no grand covert operation to divide lolicons dude. Holy schizoid.

>>713185581
Do you have the picture?

>>713185342
I don't know what got your panties in a jumble but I'm simply trying to correct somebody that thought loli didn't start until D2 when it's been there since the start. It's not a hard age cutoff because then you've got the whole "thousand year old loli" trope where the body type might be clearly loli but the fiction says they're a thousand years old.

>>713181392
The game gave me what I wanted, decent cute story and some hardcore grind. I love the item world man, it is the entire reason I play Disgaea and it works here. Some minor issues from what I remember but still super fun, randomized, great for grinding your equips in, rewarding, all that’s missing from other games’ grind.

>>713181498
He was literally created because Boku no Pico was popular. Kinda hilarious

>>713184734
>That is what loli means, a girl who is freshly pubescent.
Strictly speaking, hebe is what you're thinking of.
Specifically the band of around 12-14, plus or minus individual variance.
Loli by exclusion means younger than this usually 8-12, but traditionally means both hebe and this younger group, only REALLY having a cutoff for toddler stuff, which tends to have its own, more insular bubble of exclusion from either loli or hebe.

>>713185829
What irked me is that you used the common mondbroken lolicon argument of "DRAWINGS DON'T HAVE AGE BRO" when trying to defend people calling them fucking weird.
I'm literally saying it's a body type, where we disagree is that you claim it refers to only "freshly pubescent" girls where I'm saying, no, it clearly refers to girls who look prepubescent. I don't know how you could look at my posts and come to any other conclusion.

>>713185829
I think it is a newfag issue. They care way too much about age for some reason. Probably due to the network of excuses and copes they went through originally before becoming a lolicon. Now they obsessively think that girls within the actual lolita range don't count as lolis for some reason. Maybe they want them all to be fridge bodies or something but then they'll also claim that stuff like Onimai is censored because they didn't make the characters curvy enough. It, like many things nowadays, is just an excuse to endlessly complain.

>>713185978
YOOOOOOOOO

>>713186020
They are all lolis
The higher ones are hebe lolis and the extremely lower ones are toddlercon. You are right though in toddlercon being more insular. Loli lolis and "hebe" lolis tend to have almost complete overlap in their fans. While toddlercon tends to have a separate group that mostly exclusively likes it.

>>713185342
You are the most likely of the whole website to get caught with a tera of real pedo porn on his laptop

pc or switch for labyrinth of refrain?

>>713186486
I have it on PC but it kind of seems like it'd be more fun on the switch. Especially if you do handheld mode. I'm pretty sure the switch is the "intended" platform by this point that the Japanese get their stuff on.

>>713143949
>>713144254
Yeah. I was ready to buy it on release, expecting it to be $40. The actual price feels like an insult, really. I won't buy it until it goes on sale for less than $20, even if I have to wait years. Fuck NIS.

>>713186435
Yeah, that's probably a better way of putting it
I need more coffee

>>713186063
You're confusing me with another anon that replied to you. I never said it was only "freshly pubescent". Loli is a broad range for a body type that is basically just young, flat, and short. It's a gray area on where exactly the cutoff is but I would say Pleinair looks young enough even in D1 to fit that bill. His art style changed over time but if you look at all of his art of her collectively, it's extremely clear that she was always meant to be a loli.

>>713186154
Your corruption fetish is a fantasy.
>>713186475
Pic is you

>>713186960
Again, even if I accept this definition, and I accept that Pleinair is loli, she is a one-off NPC that has barely any presence in the game she debuted in.

>>713186780
Is it really NIS or is it nisa doing it? I know that branches like NoA are known to be the ones behind price gouges in the west. There is also shipping and stuff that "adds" to it which is also why stuff like figures seem severely overpriced at times. The worst part being, you are paying extra for the "localizers". The parent company probably also gets less than they get on a native sale too. Japanese companies really don't care about the west and it is easy to see why.

Honestly?

Instead of making 2D assets for Disgaea RPG they could have spent that whole time making those 2D assets for regular games.
It's happening with SRW as well now.
Their shitty mobile game gets amazing animation and tons of cool units, even unique units and fun collabs, while their actual games are becoming slop.
I really don't understand the trend with Japanese companies where they're going full bore on mobile games and making their actual games slip.
What the FUCK happened for this to be the case?

>>713183573
asagi dating sim where asagi is incredibly schizo and you have to balance her multiple vidya protag personality disorder

>>713186994
You are acting like an anti yet have the audacity to use images mocking them? It is okay to just admit that lolis scare you for whatever reason.

>>713187343
gameboy died in favor of a giant fucking tablet

>>713186780
Your problem is Nintendo consoles bro. The stuff they release in PS is better

>>713186994
that pic was invented for you, spammer

>>713173612
It's been censored several times, are you retarded?

You guys getting the Nintendo Pulse?

https://www.yankodesign.com/2022/01/12/nintendo-phone-concept-is-a-glimpse-of-a-dream-that-will-never-come-to-be/amp/

>>713187107
She's the mascot of the lead artist of the series.
She has directly inspired a number of character designs, both generics and uniques. Marona in particular is just "what if Plainair was a main character".

>>713187619
It hasn't though and Etna is still a loli btw

>>713187658
This would save gaming if they released it

>>713187373
Learning to balance therapist and wrangler is unironically a skill that people need to be taught these days.
This game would be of immense social value.

>>713187343
asian consumers are leaving everything for mobile games
devs follow suit
devs forget the mobile market is oversaturated and quickly drown
japanese devs no longer have a platform to safely dump their cheap games on. we needed the vita 2

>>713187107
That may be true for the story but she did serve an important game-play function as the Dark Assembly girl so the player will see her frequently. I don't really care about this argument anymore though, if you only liked 1 then that's fine. But Pleinair has always been my number one favorite non-generic so I'm going to dump more images of her now.

>>713141415
>See how dogshit Pokemon is now because they won’t go back to 2D sprites.
Nigga, the 2D sprites also sucked back then, Gamefreak is incompetent after Silver/Gold

>>713188146
Bottom heavy characters are the best
Much better than tithags

>>713171293
>all armor/accessories are FULLY MODELED
yeah that might make the jump to 3d worth it. Would also make item world good again since people would want to either transmog (event) or get ones that look good.

>>713187695
That still makes no difference. I'm talking about D1. Etna is not loli; D1 had no lolis unless you insist Pleinair is one, which I contest because...
>>713188040
she is barely even depicted in that game, and what's there can be interpreted either way. No matter how you look at it, her role in the game is very minor.
The lolicon pandering started in earnest with D2.

>>713185737
In the disgaea fandom there absolutely is.

>>713188146
Agreed
More pleinair
While we're here, her last name is Allaprima
Taken as a whole, her name means an outdoor landscape painting, done in one sitting

>>713188340
how do these schizos even find eachother

>>713188172
Pokemon as a series is the peak of "everything went to shit when I started becoming more aware of everything going on". When the "decline" began changes depending on who you ask.

>>713187702
Okay retard.

>>713188329
Both Etna and Flonne are lolis.
Flonne is 15. Etna is 14.

>>713188340
>four losers complaining in a trannycord server is a grand coordinated operation
Pills. Now.

>>713188572
Fuck off Djanny

>>713188417
There is a lot less pressure to act like a moralfag than to say you like something a lot even if it is integral to the series. Thus these people can easily takeover spaces quickly. Luckily, people in recent times have become more open in calling out others for acting like faggots over media. I'm sure these guys already have discord networks to run through by now though. Forever stuck in their anti "gooner" hugboxes.

>>713140997 (OP)
when you find out your newly wed wife is monster class

>>713188424
And yet most people agree gen 6 was where the decline hit its stride, regardless of where they say the rumblings began.
Whether you're someone who think gen 3 did it by smothering pokemania, gen 4 did it by jumping the shark with legendary lore, or gen 5 did it with shit designs and linear regions, almost all of them would agree there was a decisive step into the new, shitty norm that gen 6 heralded. That it's gotten worse from there is almost irrelevant

>>713188539
Etna doesn't have childlike proportions. Flonne does, but she's not sexualized the whole game. Also, not that it changes my point (loli is specifically the body type of a prepubescent child), Etna is at least a few hundred years old.

>>713188528
I like how the new dialogue kind of makes of the censorship at least. Listen guys we need to start a new government that doesn’t censor games it’s that shrimple

>>713188417
The gacha brought a lot of retards together unfortunately

>>713188740
she's a monster in bed

>>713187583
>>713187260
I hate Nintendo, but they have nothing to do with it since I'm talking about the steam release.

>>713188424
>No cool guys. No cool pokemon, no cute girls. Janky 3D
Nu Pokemon is merely coasting on brand recognition now. why would anyone continue messing with it in the current state?

>>713188873
>mention everyone is more tolerant
>Unless you're a trap

>>713188917
Why are you in a server with these people? Why are you gossiping about them to this thread like anyone gives a fuck?

>>713188528
I only care about visuals, I'm hedonistic like that. I do hate the shit they pull though, like nonbinary being a potential character name in recent games. AI translations will save us all.

>>713188970
This games came out Nintendo consoles. Get the ones that don’t. You really are new to Disgaea bro

>>713189024
Because of the gacha, but you gave enough of a fuck to respond so thanks.

>>713189005
Is this why this game hasn't been ported yet lol
I want a game where a naked Raspberyl barely covered by suds on the front yells tranny at a male healer trying to use the bath. The seethe would be glorious.

>>713188846
>Etna doesn't have childlike proportions. Flonne does
Flonne is taller than Etna, though

>>713189183
So you're a gacha gooner and you can't approach your intellectual opponents directly so you cry about them behind their backs on an anonymous imageboard. Could you be any more pathetic?

>>713188970
I wasn't saying anything about Nintendo. I was using NoA as an example of how western branches are greedy as fuck.

>>713183582
>I can look at her and roll my eyes and say "oh Japan" in a way I can't when I see Beryl
Is this why Disgaea 3 will never come to PC? Have you cracked the code?

>>713189030
Visuals have also been censored before repeatedly, as well as the punishment room in Disgaea 4

>>713189278
The joke here is funny, especially how simplistic they become. I love the humor of this series. Cute gakis too.

>>713189167
The fuck are you talking about? The game's overpriced on every single store. I never once brought up nintendo. And what do other NIS games have to do with PB2 being overpriced as fuck?
>>713189358
I guess, though I really don't think this is a western branch's fault. Is the game that much comparatively cheaper in Japan?

>>713189348
I quit playing when English died, but I stuck around to laugh at retards, thanks again for helping support it. You must be in one of the screenshots to be so assmad about them.

>>713189252
That, or the scandal surrounding the English VA of Mao.

>>713189410
all games hare heavily censored on iphone. The now-dead Steam version was fine

>>713189252
There's also the fact 3 just sucks.

>>713189278
This is weird because iirc her sprite is shorter.
She has unusually long legs, probably because she's an angel, but her arms are short and her face is very round.

>>713189348
>someone talk about game
>WOW YOU ARE A
>someone else talk about game
>SO YOU ARE A
>another thing about game
>OMG YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU
What the fuck is this shit? Are you 10?

>>713188846
Etna is 14 hundred and something, Flonne is 15 hundred and something. Laharl is 1313.
This is the aging principle of disgaea. There's a 1/100 year ratio, that breaks down in the case of extremely young, or extremely old characters that hasn't ever really been gone into, but has been stated to work this way in some art book somewhere, with the note that yes, being 1400 means Etna looks, acts, behaves, and thinks like a 14 year old.
Mao and Raspberyl are both 17 hundred and something. (So yes, ironically, Raspberyl is "technically" less of a loli than Etna). Mr. Champloo is like, 34 hundred and something.
The outlier is Disgaea 2, which has characters on a completely normal age scale, because Veldime hasn't been a netherworld for long enough for the time dilation to start.
Or humans, which are on their own scale. Fuka is either 13 or 14, I forget, I believe it was stated somewhere that Desco is 8, but I could be misremembering.
Further evidence for this, is Raspberyl being one of the only cases given for old age death in a demon, dying at a bit over a hundred thousand, which given her healthy lifestyle, checks out.

>>713189410
What was censored about the punishment room?

>>713189410
Was Etna really censored for the western port of the gacha. At least she is still uncensored in the main games. I've seen other shit from the port of the gacha too. Just how bad did it get before it shutdown? I wonder what they would've done if they made it to now with the xeno Raspberyl micro bikini and the Hanako in low rise bikini bottom too.

>>713189684
they removed the triangle wooden horse torture thingy

>>713189664
When the fuck did they start doing this worldbuilding? D2? It certainly wasn't present in D1

>>713189684
It was a wooden horse, but they changed it to a sabercat instead.

>>713189762
she wasn't censored on the Steam version. that is now dead

>>713140997 (OP)
I'll be honest, i have never played a disgea game and just opened this thread because etna is extremly sex
i know its an izometric(?) game, but is it like, good good, or good "there may be a pink tint on my glasses" good
dood

>>713189849
she loves it

>>713189810
Flonne and Etna states her age in D1. there's a whole joke about Flonne being older than her.

>>713189849
I miss when games were allowed to be perverted.

>>713189762
Yeah, Etna had some cropping and shading changes, the usual garbage to appease Twitter interns pretending to be community managers. The gacha started neutering pretty hard near the end—anything borderlining “suggestive” got hit: recolors removed detailing, cleavage erased, even removed R18-tier sprites from JP for basic alts like swimsuit Rozalin. It was a slow boil, and by the time xeno units started dropping, you could already see the censorship bat coming down. If they’d survived to release that Raspberyl alt over here, it would’ve looked like she was wearing a wetsuit.

Honestly, I still can’t believe they even greenlit Hanako’s beach art in the JP version. Global would've pixelated it like a 90s hentai VHS.

>>713189762
The gacha was horrendous across the board, with a gibberish translation, censorship dabbled around, an official discord that was laughable, customer support that barely spoke english, on top of people screeching that fan favorite characters like Usalia got new alts, while trash characters like Gordon or Hoggmeiser got nothing

>>713158687
The ZHP shit was awful and retarded. Thank good the PSP version is easy to emulate. They can blame copyright for all the cut content, but they can only blame themselves for not telling people about said cut content and not releasing 7 Complete on anything but Switch 2.

>>713188340
That shits from years ago on the gacha discord held hostage by mentally ill dumbasses that kept trying to push their sensitive beliefs on the actual gacha releases, thinking they could actually interfere with production, who got completely ignored when devs didn't change a damn thing and released an honest to god loli Etna
>>713188716

>>713189810
I think it unironically was in disgaea 1.
Disgaea 1 is what set the ages of Laharl, Etna, and Flonne, they literally talk about it in the game, and make fun of Flonne for being the hag of the group.
Disgaea 2 mentioned it, because the ages of everyone was lower, because otherwise Adell not knowing he was a demon would be even more ridiculous.
Mao or Raspberyl, I forget which, mention their age, and then mention the other was born on the same day, to Almaz I think, and everyone else was just in an art book or some shit.
This has literally always been a thing, and only stopped being a thing with Disgaea 5's walking away from all the older worldbuilding.

>>713189905
It is pretty fun and worth playing. Do note that the older games are more clunky though if you try them, maybe start out with Disgaea 7. The games are essentially about cheating to become the most powerful. You could easily outlevel the story mode if you really want to, there is also a difficulty slider you unlock that you can increase too if you want it to be slower while also receiving more rewards. After the main story though, it quickly ramps up in difficulty. It then becomes a race to find the best ways to level your characters as much as possible using the mechanics to beat increasingly hard content. The games in general allow you to play in a variety of ways, I'd almost call them sandbox rpgs. I'd definitely recommend you try one. The characters definitely are sex.

>>713189905
It's a type of game where you get into a state of flow when the aquisition of level ups and skills gives you consistent rewards. It just plays itself and time flies.

>>713189959
I'm aware of that, it doesn't change my point about their appearance. I'm asking about the "aging principle" you mentioned; what era was that art book? And the bit about time dilation and all that - obviously you're talking about D2 there but I'm wondering how much of it is actually mentioned in-game. It's interesting, if silly.
>>713190235
Yeah I knew about the joke and mentions of ages in D1 but I didn't know all that other stuff. Why would they throw that stuff away? It's interesting.

>>713190118
Okay, but not gonna lie
If that was intentional, it's fuckin peak for Marjorita.
I know it wasn't.
But if it was, though, Marjorita being at the peak of dunning kruger would be fukkin *mwah*

>>713188740
When I played D3 I found mao's and beryl's relationship really heartwarming desu, she's a great friend(ly rival) and drags mao's NEET ass out of his room to go do things like a blood drive. mao's incredibly volatile throughout basically the entire game over having anything resembling friendship (which he gets mocked for by the vato brothers lmao), and its nice to see that even before when the story starts and mao is his most anti-social he did have a relationship with someone (who isn't Geoffrey). and he does care about her (and with a little egging on from almaz) enough to prevent the PTA from brainwashing her.

Alright that's enough for now.

>>713190118
I'm surprised they still let Majorita's crack hang out.

how do I grind d5 on seitch at the age of 32 without blasting my thumb hard enough it aches for a week

>>713190369
It's sad to start playing dense whenever someone proves you wrong on 4chan.

>>713190491
I relate to this. I'm not even that old but one day my right hand just stopped being able to handle a lot of gaming or mouse use. It isn't even the one I fap with. It annoys me because sometimes it interferes with my drawing even though I don't draw from the wrist anymore.

>>713190491
Throw Prinny Hat Evility on everyone, then slap Prinny Instructor Evility on everyone since that shit all stacks, learn how to make a Sage character not suck and start land decimating the shit out of item world.

>>713190582
I've literally stated I only played the first game, so any information introduced after that isn't something I'm likely to be privy to, but please do feel superior for having more knowledge about the lolicon series than I do

I hope for a Disgaea 8 where you can actually grow or shrink tits through evility.

>>713190713
You didn't play it. The age rule was perfectly in place 20 years ago. poser

>>713183895
>>713185241
>>713186960
>>713188146
>>713189452
I have a mighty need to turn tan pleinair's skin pale again

>>713190713
It's easier to just stop responding instead of continuing to oust yourself as an actual retard. Especially if you didn't bother playing any of the games.

>>713190772
I have double this playtime on the DS game, sorry if I don't remember every dialogue detail like a prime autist

>>713189905
the games are (mostly) geniunely good in my opinion, they just also have fun with it because they know its a game and games are fun. at its peak its a great balance of wackyness, fanservice, poking fun at tropes and a good story that takes itself seriously underneath it all. they did a spoof on old space operas with CAPTAIN GOOOORDON DEFENDER OF EARTH and still got me to care about kurtis's redemption arc

>>713140997 (OP)
They could maybe get on solid footing if they kept improving their chibi to approach Blue Archive levels. D7 showed some improvement, but was still restrained. 6 actually had the balls to do ingame cutscenes at least, as shitty as everything was with that game outside the cast.
But I'm not going to buy a damn Switch 2 just for the exclusive D7 complete. Fuck man

>>713190770
That's exactly the kind of thing I would expect from the voting system honestly.
And with the 3D models it would be pretty easy to do

>>713143254
Why the fuck did they go for capsule gacha I have no idea. Even Touhou Lostword style gacha would have been better.

>>713170002
I want to hold Laharl-chan's hand so fucking badly. I want to gaze deep into her eyes for hours and hours. I would ask her to marry me and have baby-making, hand-holding, lovey-dovey sex for days and days untilwe make a happy family together.

>>713190884
>I am not le autist
typical from posers that don't play games.

>>713170203
>it seems to me like most people don't even know it exists, even among the fanbase
Well, if only there was a solution...

>>713191250
Pervert. Disgusting pervert.

>>713190369
>Why would they throw that stuff away? It's interesting.
I have no idea
A lot of the groundwork for this stuff was laid out by Makai Kingdom, of all games, which did a lot of the universal details.
Makai Kingdom was the game that really sat down to explain what an overlord was, what a netherworld was, and how the universe at large operates, not just in one netherworld in the ass crack of the universe, most notable for being built on celestia's gate.
Disgaea 2, 3, and 4 all built off these principles, with tidbits here and there, like Disgaea 3 stating that while there's numerous, uncountable numbers of Netherworlds, there's only one, united Celestia. Then La Pucelle Ragnarok connected the start of Disgaea 1, with Priere being the one who set Baal loose on the universe, breaking an existential seal, that ultimately lead to Krichevskoy's death, but also was the reason Lamington decided humans and demons could fix shit. Baal was being slowly built up into something really interesting, with an arc. That ultimately, I guess, was sorta diarrhea spray in the gacha? I never finished the story, but it seemed like that was the direction they were going with it.

I think this lore just all contradicted with what they wanted to do for Disgaea 5 (by lore, and the age of Lamington/Christo Zetta SHOULD still be around, and probably be king of the universe, and un-humbled, and if not him, then Babylon should have been in the same role. Void Dark, by rights, probably would have been shitstomped by either of them, unless the plot of Disgaea 5 is on the level of small scale gang violence), so they scrapped it, but Disgaea 5's lore sucks ass, so there was nothing else to go on from there.
Christo being Lamington was neat, but disastrous for the progression of the worldbuilding, as was making Overlords so much more insignificant, so you could have a traditional party of kids and dipshits.

>>713191164
I mean, the gacha in essence has a lot of the regular game mechanics. It is just missing the strategy part.

>>713170203
Because the only interesting part of DD2 is Girl Laharl

>>713160248
I did but Global died.
God, I wanted to collect all Rozalins.

>>713191409
>existential
Pre-existing, fuck autocorrect

>>713162553
>>713162553
>>713162553
it would be atlus

>>713190824
Okay, one more.

>>713141415
I like 3d pokemon and thinks it's vastly superior to 2d sprites
not even baiting, I just think faggots sucking off 2d cock are mentally ill nostalgia junkies. and yes I'm old enough that the first pokemon game I played was blue when it was new.

>>713184575
>This is the retarded thought process that leads to clearly adult women with small chests getting tagged as loli on boorus
you mean people correctly using the loli tag?

>>713191409
This is cool as fuck, I'm even madder now. Guess I'll have to expedite playing Makai Kingdom. Thank you anon.
>>713191368
Suck a dick, faggot.

>>713191451
the real game is still up. You don't really have to translate anything

>>713191850
I literally agree with this too, unironically. The only pokemon game that really used sprites to their fullest were black and white.

>>713192248
>Discord
>Old windows

I like all the guest artists the games have. soul nomad being fully illustrated by toi8 made it really unique to me

>>713192619
It's Windows 10, I use StartIsBack.
I have no defense for Discord

>>713192627
Man the things I'd do to the female archer

>>713192686
>I have no defense for Discord
what's with this mentally ill 4chan shit against discord? Is it just contrarian retards? You know you don't have to go to big servers and talk to the woke redditors, right?

>>713191850
Phantom Brave (1) and its use of sprite animations to convey emotion is infinitely more soulful than the sequel's CG stand-in

>>713192627
it got wild at time

>>713162150
They nicely cup what little breasts she has.

>>713193059
I didn't say anything about phantom brave, I said 3d pokemon.
3d NIS looks like complete shit.

>>713193217
REALLY wild

and let's not forget how they got that SNK collab before the anime exploded in popularity

>>713192894
It's a 4chan competitor, also whenever the two intersect it tends to bring about an absolute tire fire.

>>713193376
>collab early
>get no benefit
bravo nis

>>713193347
WTF THAT'S NOT FLAT! IMPOSTOR! IMPOSTOR!

>>713193445
hopefully they can't snatch a collab with mahoako for disgaea 8

>>713193435
do you have stock in 4chan? why would you care if a competitor exists?
Like I said just avoid getting sucked into the mental illness of big servers and use it as a platform to talk to friends. It's vastly superior to vent/mumble/teamspeak that everyone used prior

>>713192894
it's fine as just a chat client, problem is faggot retards using it as a replacement for forums and mod/file hosting.

>>713193682
holy

>>713193915
yeah so just don't do that.

>>713193720
I'm just explaining it, nigga. It's that and the cultures are wildly different.
I'm in some big servers but it's mainly for resources and to lurk discussions. One very justifiable gripe most people have with it is that it contributed to the death of forums and made more information less available by walling it off to search engine crawling.

>>713193987
don't do what? let retards lock all their shit behind a discord server? How do you suppose I do that?

>>713190371
Did Marjorita ever speak retardedly/stupidly? I only ever played 5.

>>713140997 (OP)
girl browsers add me up on discord, tag: aiketh_
if you're into vidya, anime, lolis, and all things artistic/creative, Whether it's Pokémon, Fate, Dragon Quest, limbus company, Danganronpa, Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy, Bravely Default, Fire Emblem,/m/ shows, Kemono, SMT, Mega Man, Sonic,3D SFM, Castlevania, Touhou, or series like monogatari, RWBY, Digimon, Disgaea, and beyond

>>713194208
yeah I'm not doing that.

see you in three days faggot

>>713194202
TIME FOR LIFTING

>>713194208
how have you not killed yourself yet

>>713194085
This is my main problem with it. I refuse to give in to this shit. Locking mods and shit behind an account, ridiculous. Discord aggressively tries to force you to be a part of a "community". At least I can call anyone with their forced "chan culture" here faggots and not get banned. There are many ways to communicate and share stuff other than discord.

>>713192686
I can defend my use of discord
It's the least nonsense platform for voice and video with my friends, that gives the fewest shits about what we're trying to do over it, and there's quite a few places to get genuinely helpful information if you're trying to do a thing. I've gotten tons of useful advice and resources for doing homebrew romhacks of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon and Dark Souls, and apologize for none of it. Another of my friends genuinely gets a fuckton of advice and tools for 'tard wrangling Google Analytics for their job, to make corpo line go up.
Like anything else, it's a tool, and how rancid it is depends on how you use it.

I'm just gonna say it. Flonne's fallen look is inferior to her original look. And I'm tired of pretending it isn't.

>>713194105
Not really, besides standard goofy villain shit, and the "whoops, I caught myself on the shitty terms of my own ability, because I never thought I'd have to use it on myself, now I must suffer forever" thing.
I just think it would be funny if she was.

>>713194508
But her tight ass...

>>713194421
Just use a cell phone. Discord is only for the underage like yourself

>>713185825
i love galleria so much bros

>>713194508
Yes
If we could get fallen angel personality, with original trainee look, that would be peak.
While we're making a frankenflonne, mind if we put the big fukkin flappers of Archangel flonne on this thing?

>>713194740
Are there any pictures like this but with lolis? Regardless, I'm straight but will probably still fap to this tonight.

>>713180767
Kid go play Disgaea 1.

>>713194842
I love tubes so fucking much I just want to squeeze them

Criminally undervalued design

>>713194508
>>713194795
>has been a fallen angel for 2 game's story
>has been archangel for at least 4
>keeps showing up playable as fallen
bullshit!

girl browsers add me up on discord, tag: aiketh_
if you're into vidya, anime, lolis, and all things artistic/creative, Whether it's Pokémon, Fate, Dragon Quest, limbus company, Danganronpa, Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy, Bravely Default, Fire Emblem,/m/ shows, Kemono, SMT, Mega Man, Sonic,3D SFM, Castlevania, Touhou, or series like monogatari, RWBY, Digimon, Disgaea, and beyond

>>713195186
His work really belongs in a museum if it isn't already.

>>713194689
I'm a fukkin 30 year old disgaea boomer, anon.
I'm complaining about Disgaea 5 torpedoing the worldbuilding of everything that came before it, bemoaning the death of sprites, and if you fukkin get me started I'll fukkin annihilate you with walls of text on the decline of the Disgaean Heroine, the ways the inverted and rotating morality of the setting were used to make interesting character studies, but mostly no longer are, and fukkin shake my stick at the eroding identity of units since most unique skills scale off whatever weapon someone has equipped.
And fuck you, useful tools are useful tools. What homebrew romhacks have YOU made, anon?

>>713195323
Nta but just go make a video essay on YouTube
At least you'll make money off of it that way

>>713195405
Nah
Too much effort
I just want to yell at strangers, then read my own arguments later to critique them mostly.

>>713195531
fat tail

>>713150717
>They want the world that existed when the Vita was still the dominant Otaku handheld to come back
I don't blame them! Look what the fuck is happening with modern "otaku" nowadays (mostly western but you know), they are praising gook shit left and right playing all these shit ass gacha games, acting like Korea is the fucking savior of gaming when at best they just make average games. It doesn't help that most nip games these days are bending the knee to western ideals but I'm sure that's dying soon but it's too late for that. You've dug your hole and now it's time to sit in it forever because of one mistake.

>>713195531
I'm gonna need you to stop yourself from not posting more of this

>>713195531
I'm too far gone
I looked at this, and was immediately confused and disappointed her ass wasn't sandwiched between the fat tail and her backside.
There's no way back for me, is there?

>>713140997 (OP)
>they are on the verge of bankruptcy
Haven't they been for the past 10 years or so?

>>713195673
Tail between butt cheeks is very hot and I wish it had a tag
The covering of the crack can help you enjoy each cheek individually

>>713195673
>her ass wasn't sandwiched between the fat tail and her backside.
I'm so fucking confused how that would work anatomically

>>713195673
I need a picture of what the fuck you're even talking about bro

>>713195531
WTF

>>713191451
Any idea if there's a sekrit club to revive it? it worked for Dragalia Lost, but it would be nice to have the game running on PC
>>713192406
You mean the DMM version?
>>713185581
DisgaeaxBunny Black when?

>>713195603
Those aren't real otaku and are just culture warriors who've been hired by the chinks and gooks. You'll also notice them slinging retarded insults at Japan while acting like those two censorous shit holes are better. My theory, someone recently built 5g towers in Seoul and Beijing.

>>713195846
You see, the way it works, is you grab the fat fucking tail, lift it for access, and inso doing, you're spreading the hole
Think a triangular ass crack, the normal butt cheek cleavage getting an extra "cheek" so to speak, from the tail conjoining in with the abdomen.

>>713195531
Many are lusting for the spread. I'm more interested in the cute little hole underneath though. I want to kiss it real bad.

>>713196106
I think I understand what you're saying, but don't think you're using the correct words to describe it so it makes sense.

>>713145674
You could still get into the older games while laughing at the newer ones you know. It'll be even funnier (or more depressing) once you experience the quality of the older titles.

>>713196236
Probably
Lust clouds my language

>>713196249
>the quality of the older titles
bro it's been the same game for 30 years, there's been no change in quality of gameplay. I assume you're probably one of those people that shitposted endlessly about a random tree in the background

>>713196006
I'm in the only relevant disgaea discord in existence SADLY and no, nobody there is tech savvy enough to do something like that, everybody migrated to jp anyways. And yes, I did mean the DMM version

>>713188740
Wheres the wedding raspberyl sprites?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdnOUlggh3Q&list=PL691DD96351F4CC26
The pure unmatched FIERY PASSION of this song always puts me in a good mood.

bros do you think we'll ever get 2 or 3 or d2 on switch? It bothers me not having a complete series collection when they went and remade 1. having a 3 game gap is annoying

>>713196189

>>713194343

>>713195908
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=10219055&
This is just the first example I found that kinda fits

>>713196870
makes no sense

>>713196930
I think I get what that anon is saying, something like thighjob but between the ass and the tail

>>713196870
I think I now know what you're talking about. The tail does need to be up for it to do that though.

>>713191850
b-b-BASED!! i agree completely. I hated how the sprites in Pokemon red/blue looked, like garbage, and Pokemon as a whole was waaaaay behind every single other franchise for the fucking longest time ever.
I only got back into pokemon with X/Y after skipping gens 4 and 5 sprite bullshit. I was finally interested again when i saw all the hundreds of fresh 3d designs in the 3ds games

>>713196694
Switch 2 maybe, but not Switch 1.

>>713196870
Her tail isn't like that canonically. I just got done fapping to an official art of her in the onsen. In it you see her bare ass with only her genitals and anus underwater and her tail ends too high up too connect to it. On a side note, I almost swear you can see her slit through the water.

>>713196870
we call that a tailnus in the industry and it's absolutely retarded and makes no sense.
tails are above the butthole of animals.

>>713196795
very cute

>>713197158
you're gonna have to link that immediately, anon.
it's official art so it won't get you banned

>>713196825
>>713197151
You're just begging for a 3 day vacation arent you lol

>>713197183
I agree it makes no anatomical sense
But I really like them
>>713197158
And yeah, the placement of raspberyl's tail isn't right for it.
It's more I had the immediate, visceral response that the tail should be tucked in against the tail, despite knowing it's fine where it is.

>>713197348
there's actually a tag, albeit small, for tail_anus on boorus.

>>713197292
Not that anon, but I think it's this one?

>>713180548
passing a bill per increment is not good gameplay. i could meet you half way and say you have to unlock ranks for it with bills.

>>713197489
Yes that is it

>>713197518
>i could meet you half way and say you have to unlock ranks for it with bills.
Agree
Enemy strength and shop level bills should unlock a free slider wirh each bill passed.
Having to pass the bill like, 20 fucking times in a row was awful

>>713197489
god why can't more devs have the balls to give us stuff like this? other than NIS and compile hearts no one will

>>713197489
While we're here
This is also good official art