heh

>>713192734 (OP)
Based

>>713192734 (OP)
Epic!

kafka didnt destroy the world though

>world destruction so complete that it was undone
Whoa. Anyway. So anyway they were both defeated.

heh

>>713192734 (OP)
Kek

>>713192734 (OP)
lol

>>713192734 (OP)
>gives you a splinter
heh

>>713192734 (OP)
<-- Start doing THIS

>>713193037
>>713193378
nice fanfic

can't wait for 30 minutes long Kafka dance and sing number in the FF6 Remake

>>713193037
Because he didn't want to destroy the entire world, he wanted to cause as much despair as possibile
>>713193378
It wasn't undone, after you defeat him, the world is still broken, it's not an happy ending

>>713193037
>>713194301
It's kefka
Kafka is that hoyo chick

>>713194034
why...

>>713193886
>won't let you play if you are under 25
Brutal

>>713192734 (OP)
>le reddit scary clown

>>713194554
Reb eats them for breakfast

Since when does a few earthquakes destroy the world

Is this world destroyed? Much worse has happened to earth than what Kefka did.

>>713194341
The game literally ends with the world being healed. Not even through magic it just naturally healed because Kefka is shit at his job. Or maybe he wasn't as much of a nihilist he envisioned himself to be

>>713194341
Yeah, but people are rebuilding. It might be a better ending than FF7 given that Kefka was stamped out completely, and didnt continue to be an immortal entity that would give people space aids and resurrect himself periodically.

>>713194665
>a few earthquakes
what do you get out of blatantly lying?
https://youtu.be/M9TBx3ce7cE?t=48

>>713194341
>he wanted to cause as much despair as possibile
why?

>>713192734 (OP)
Got nothing on Doom Tree from FF5.

https://youtu.be/E2dX_k6MvWM?si=DHlasEkioRkMypJI

>>713192734 (OP)
lol

>>713195054
It's fun.

>>713192734 (OP)

Why didn't the Lifestream just not cast Meteor?

>>713194034
I respect Jack's strength

>>713194998
Still didn't destroy the world
It's still there

>>713195809

>>713192734 (OP)
>owh mae gawd he won he le destroiyed evereting! baest villaen in ficshion!!
Kefka fans are retarded.

>>713192734 (OP)
not only is sephiroth killing party members and npcs you actually give a shit about instead of people who have 3 lines more impactful then a bunch of town npcs being killed offscreen, the original ps1 ending of ff7 is extremely ambigious on if holy didn't purge the entire human race meaning because of sephiroths actions the entire planet got wasted anyway

ff6fags can get the rope, not even the 5th best jrpg on the snes released by square

>>713195291
I had to try to remember who these guys are because they’re so forgettable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CCI-UZtEi4
heh

>>713195903
>>713196018
Remind me where Sephiroth poisoned an entire kingdom

>>713196034
yeah it's obvious the second planet was cut short and we just dispatch them one by one without seeing their personality being fleshed out. star ocean 2 was too ambitious. Many such case.

>>713192734 (OP)
Kuja destroyed a planet with his own power, no need for materias or statues.

>>713192734 (OP)
Chaos created a timeloop that technically never gets solved unless you buy into the ending's plot armor bullshit. Emperor conquers all of Hell. Kefka and Sephiroth are bitches.

>>713192734 (OP)

That's cute.

>>713196108
I tried rewriting these "equations" on latex once, unfortunately they're not real equations

>>713192734 (OP)
What was his name again? Kafkasque?

>>713196181
I don't give a fuck about cyan or his kingdom because the game has 16 fucking party members so most of them don't get any development at all and 90% of cyans scenes involve him being the boring straight man to sabin

>>713196287
shitty retcons don't count

>>713192734 (OP)
ez

>>713195392
The lifestream and mako are two different things.

>>713196361
skill issue. Cyan is the best character from 6 along with Celes

>fucked up so badly that the concept of death itself had to descend and finish the job

So who's the most purely evil FF Antagonist? It's shame we couldn't fight that bitch Annabella in XVI.

>>713196181
sephiroth didn't but the shinra corporation that created him did, it's one of the benefits of having more then 1 villian that isn't a cardboard cutout - you don't need one guy to be the ruthless military leader AND the recurring gag villian the heroes fight off every week AND the psycho aspiring to godhood to purge the unworthy

>>713196593

>>713196453
What does that have to do with the question? Also not really. Mako is just the physical extract that can come in a variety of states. Regardless if it's liquid or crystallized (materia) it's still communicating with the metaphysical ribbon-esque Lifestream.
Think of it like a Radio and Radio Waves.

>>713196593
objectively it's this goofy baby blue fuck given that he isn't even fighting for some kind of poorly explained world of evil or is insane from a sad backstory, he's just a bunch of evil shoved into a tree that really hates that things happen and stuff exists

>>713196181
Sephiroth was a hero and then has a mental breakdown when he finds the origin of his birth, commits mass murder and burns down the protagonist's hometown, has control over the protagonist, and kills enemies far stronger than your party effortlessly.
He's built up better and much more interesting than a silly angry clown man.

>>713196580
Was this a threat to all existence or just to the party? I forgor.

>>713196864
>has a mental breakdown when he finds the origin of his birth
what a bitch kek

>>713196457
cyan lore
>I'm sad my family died (every party member in this game has a dead family except for the pair of brothers) anyway now that I have my one scene with the nice music I will take the entire game off and never be relevant again
cyan gameplay
>do literally nothing for way too long so you can do a mediocre anime quickdraw move that does less damage then just attacking that whole time, not that it matters because the meta is just spamming ultima anyway

>>713196376

>retcon / billions of lives on countless planets dead for 12,000 years

Pick one, pissbaby. The precedent has been set in stone for four years.

>>713196958
His theme is pretty great tho

>>713196879
to all existence

>>713197050
Thanks.
What a thing for Kuja to usher in just because he was bitter about dying.

>>713196958
play the game.

>>713196593

I like to think Kefka. Who just becomes a god so he can make a mockery of life.

>>713196593
Evil?

>>713196993
meteion was literally made up in the middle of ew, hence her nonsensical back story. You XIV niggercattle truly are bottom of the barrel.

>>713197181
Im pretty sure youre replying to a copypasta.

>>713196593
Exdeath probably, he gives 0 fucks and just is an evil sonovabitch.
Kefka has backstory for it, Zemus for all that was given is basically just General Zod and Zeromus is just his HATE given form, Force of Natures like CoD or Necron arent particularly evil due to their own machinations,
Never played 13,14,16, and never got far in 11 to tell whats going on there.

>>713192734 (OP)
Only true gamers will get this.

>>713195172

He's just a selfish prick. Basically can't handle living an immortal life partnered with a constantly mortal reincarnated surrogate sister who always dies young so he tries to break history completely. His only saving grace is going down with the shitty FFXIII game universe at the end of the third title.

>>713196593
Zemus. His motivation is "kill these bitches so we can take their planet". It's petty, cruel, and violent. He's not insane or anything. He's just a genocidal cunt.

>>713196864
>gets chucked and fucked into joker acid by said protagonist before he even has super serum
>loses because he spends the entire game trying to mindrape a twink instead of getting the fuck on with his overarching goal
Sephiroth is a literal joke. He IS a silly, angry, angsty clown of a man, and nobody would take him seriously if not for his battle theme, which is honestly wasted on such a boring game, both thematically and mechanically.
Square's game design crew have been carried hard for forty years by concept artists, CGI animators, and composers. Hell, their script writers are so fucking shit they can't even pump out a coherent two hour movie screenplay.

>>713197478
>13
Angels who are trying to commit suicide because they want to punch God in the face for not giving them free will, but they have to manipulate the party into killing them because of that lack of free will.
>14
Lots going on but basically nobody is flat out evil, they all have understandable motivations that just happen to conflict with (You).
>16
Ancient liches accidentally the entire world by using magic too much so they created humanity as part of a grand plan to use them as fuel to cast Raise on the planet.
>11
God of death is a nice guy, but him existing means he'll die and take the world with him. He wants to be with his wife, the goddess of dawn, but she has to keep him sealed away in fragmented form in the hearts of mankind.

>>713196993
>pissbaby
back to twitter nigger

>>713197719
This is so incorrect its hilarious
Hope it becomes a new pasta

>>713197169
kuja actually didn't do anything, death was just like
>yo my nigga exploded and didn't even finish the job

>>713197931
He destroyed the Crystal at the root of all existence.

If they ever make a remake of 6, they should make different timelines, or ‘eras of magic’, one of which is Kefka ruining the world, another of which is Gestahl becoming god-emperor of magic, etc.

The charm surrounding Kefka, for me, is that he wasn’t a particularly powerful or noteworthy foe -until- he was in the right place at the right time.

He would have been killed by Gestahl had he not stood where he was standing.

>>713197719
>loses because he spends the entire game trying to mindrape a twink instead of getting the fuck on with his overarching goal
what are you even talking about nigger? It's not sephiroth you pursue but jenova. Sephiroth spent the entire game in the north crater after being thrown into the lifestream in the nibeileim's reactor.

>>713198073
He's either a Kingdom Hearts shitter or a Remake shitter.

>>713198073
Thank you.
It will never stop amazing me that people miss the Jenova stuff every time. Sephiroth is her meat puppet. Any actions "he" takes are all her machinations just to get at the planet's energy. He just happened to be her best avenue to get at it.

>>713196593
Isn't The Emperor so evil that he overthrew Satan as ruler of hell just so he could claw his way out of hell and rule the Earth still?

>>713198316
Yes, he overthrew God too.

FF5 is probably the only horror final fantasy.

>>713198073
>people still get this wrong
Jenova doesn't do anything during FFVII. Whatever ambiguous sentience it may have had is overwritten by Sephiroth's own will.

>>713198374
yeah, it's scary how childish it is

I never understood how the non-magical human mages could ever be as powerful as the innately magical espers. Is science just that powerful in final fantasy? They’re ripping magic from materials, even living magical creatures, to use it as their own?

>>713193886
> Can send ANYONE to the void
> a group of forgettable uninteresting nobodies still defeats him
wtf

>>713198492
I know it's bait but Sephiroth was sent in the lifestream by Cloud before the start of the game. Everytime you see Sephiroth in the game actually it's Jenova.

>>713198492
>>713198270
Sephiroth and Jenova are the same entity. Sephiroth imposed his will upon Jenova and Jenova assimilated him as her new brain. Your argument is stupid. The final boss gauntlet spells this out for you, it's why Bizarro's actual name is Sephiroth Rebirth.
>Birth
>Life
>Death
>Rebirth
They're completing their union into a new, evolved being.

>>713194341
>it's not an happy ending
Holy
Fucking
Retard

>>713198492
lmao it's the opposite you retard, he is completely enamored with her because he thinks she is his biological mother and worship her.

>>713198270
There's no evidence of this, particularly since we have no actual knowledge of Jenova's nature, only hearsay.
And even if it is true, that just makes Jenova look like a retard and Sephiroth a non-character, so the end result is still the same; FFVII's antagonist is an uncompelling pussy bitch that sucks at his/it's job.

>>713198707
Here's your happy world bro.

>>713198349
The Emperor is really the only FF villain that makes me think "holy shit..."

>>713198531
Yes. Arcane infrastructure. Magitech. The Science wins.

>>713198659
holy shit piss off with your retarded fanfic

>>713198374
No. FFV is the most emotional game in the series, but it's not horror. FFVII is horror.

>>713198745
>And even if it is true, that just makes Jenova look like a retard
Jenova was manipulating Cloud to get him to the North Crater for the reunion, that's all. The Sephiroth images were bait specifically for him. All the other black robes had their own bait images. She wasn't specifically obsessed with Cloud.

>>713192734 (OP)
>"bruh le Kefka is so hecking OP, he is the strongerest and bestest FF villain fr fr"
>is just a knockoff cyber newtype that spergs out and runs away when given any challenge
>constantly outsmarted and outdone by the heroes so he has to resort to cheap scum tactics like poisoning water supplies
>ruination of the planet and immense power is gifted to him by merely moving the triple triad slightly out of place

Most overrated villain in Final Fantasy desu. Followed by Emet-Selch and his crybaby story. I enjoyed putting them down like rabid dogs.

>>713198892
Maybe try playing the game.

>>713192734 (OP)
And yet Sephiroth is a better villain and more iconic.

>>713198645
It's Sephiroth projecting his image using the Jenova Cells present in the Sephiroth Clones. It's Jenova's power being utilized by Sephiroth's will.
If it were the other way around you would see Jenova using several different forms, instead of one egotistical form, because Jenova is described as taking any form necessary to blend in, and Sephiroth is obsessed with himself.

Barthandelus was the best villain in any Final Fantasy game.

The idea of a machine-like race of angels or minor deities that reinforces the living conditions of mankind—whilst still having a cult-like mindset of their own—was and still is a disturbing part of the game.

You’d never expect a utopic scientific society to be led by a race of machine AI that are themselves following a sick and twisted hidden religion. The world of man was one big giant sacrifice to a god who may or may not have existed (confirmed to exist in the shit sequels).

Machines having a religion is interesting. A machine “born to die” was disturbing. It is Muslim levels of zeal.

>>713198980
bizarro sephiroth has nothing to do with 99.99% of the game

Reminder that Kafka is a sexy ass chad without all that makeup. He’s just insane.

>>713198974
>constantly outsmarted and outdone by the heroes
Not really

>>713198738
He's enamored with his idea of her (being an Ancient) before he learns the truth after being absorbing the knowledge of the Lifestream. After that he simply uses her power as a means to his end, I.E. his God complex. There is no evidence Jenova was a megalomaniac or even completely sentient. It was just an entity that eats energy to survive. That's all anybody knows about it, even the Cetra.

>>713198974
>I enjoyed putting them down
Literally what makes Kefka the best villain. He's such a little shit you want to cave his skull in with every fiber of your being.

>>713199289
Nah hes just a big silly willy and I could fix him

>>713194034
One of the best soul burst animations. He just calmly palms the poor little guy.

>>713199174
It's a continuation of Jenova, which is why it follows the naming Jenova naming conventions I already listed out for you. Jenova and Sephiroth are being reborn together. Sephiroth is the dominant will, the brain for the combined entity of Sephiroth and Jenova. Jenova wasn't even trying to eat the Lifestream in the time of the Cetra, she descended out of the crater and started absorbing Cetra. The eating the Lifestream plan is Sephiroth's idea after he absorbed so much Cetra knowledge in the Lifestream.

>>713198586
isnt everyone a king, prince or princess in the party?

>>713198910
Sephiroth was manipulating Cloud because he resented him for overpowering him both physically and mentally. Reunion Theory isn't a conscious act on either entity's part.

>>713196958
I liked Cyan at that end of the game because I would use Manipulate with Relm on the brachiosaurus on dinosaur island which would let him free charge up to level 9 and instant kill them. Let me grind for the double cast relic with minimum effort.

>>713198270
Bullshit and noncanon.
Jenova doesn't "get at the planet's energy".

>>713199074
>Anon learns that machines exist to commit functions

>>713198659
>ignoring Synthesis
lol

>>713195291
I like to think they just snapped after learning the true nature of their reality (it was someone else's plaything).

>>713199410
Bartz technically isn't, but only because his dad refused his reward of a kingdom so he could remain on World A and watch over Exdeath's seal.

>>713199467
>he thinks AI won’t have a will of its own at some point
The horrors they (the fal’Cie) caused are all on them. They’re demons.

>>713199514
What does Synthesis mean?

Now that i think about it, do you think Part 3 will expand the timeskip with Red XIII at the end?

>>713199603
It means all the pieces of Jenova came together to form a complete whole.
Then you kill the stupid thing before fighting a completely separate entity (Sephiroth).

>>713199254
>sephiroth merges with jenova
>you know im not actually your mother
>oh... guess I'll just use this power to fuck with the blonde dude who stabbed me

>>713192734 (OP)
according to rebirth Sephiroth did destroy the world in the original timeline. ff7's original ending (which was ambiguous) shows an abandoned Midgar with no signs of humans 500 years later. the lifestream "saved" the planet but it killed itself to do it.

>>713199074
>>713199467
>>713199592

>on Shinra payroll to create sins against god, nature, and humanity
>randomly splice people with alien DNA
>seduced coworker to have a kid with her
>inject kid with alien DNA
>turn seduced coworker's bodyguard into some hybrid monstrocity because it amused him
>tried getting last Cetra and some lion thing to bone to keep both species going for later exploitation
>also helped set up a secret military force of freakazoids to be locked in a vault for a rainy day
>installed self into Deepground leader just to have a chance to fuck about more
What a dad.

>>713199860
Better villain than Sephiroth

>>713199751
Yeah, that's why I started this whole argument by saying Sephiroth is a dumbass villain and one of the worst antagonists in the medium. He's a complete joke no matter which way you cut it.

>>713199795
ff7 remake makes it clear with the visions of the original ending and red's dialogue saying "this is a vision of the future if we fail to stop Sephiroth". Sephiroth won.

>>713199795
>no signs of humans 500 years later
Wrong.

Best organ in a game to date
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rScx7FI9Jik&pp=ygUYS2Vma2EgZGFuY2luZyBtYWQgcGFydCAy

Only one to rival it is Super Mario 64’s final Bowser
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SCrCmlrmHqg&pp=ygUbTWFyaW9uNjQgZmluYWwgYm93c2VyIG11c2lj

>>713192734 (OP)
act like a fool
think like a brilliant

>>713199750
>all the pieces of Jenova came together
Awww, did the widdle speedreader forget who Sephiroth is?

>>713192734 (OP)
Damn.. he's just like me..

>>713199956

>>713194732
>it just naturally healed because Kefka is shit at his job.
I thought Kefka periodically lasered parts of the world for a laugh, so without that destruction it healed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBJ2uA8PRv8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU4fK0OSUGk

>dude, the magic went away forever
…Really?

>>713200202
Birth of a God is better than One Winged Angel

>>713192734 (OP)
This is such a faggy comparison because if Sephiroth existed in FF6's world he would have no-dif that player party and ended the world before they even knew what the fuck was going on. Kefka is literally no better than Cicero from Skyrim, spawned in a world where the nuke button is much easier to reach.

>>713200252
I always thought this trend in fiction was a bit weird since what goes away (in our histories anyway) is the perception of the magic, not the magic itself.

Unless whatever is “magic” is some weird ass alien goop or finite resource dropped on to the planet that literally gets sucked up and deprived over time, like fossil fuels and such. But that still doesn’t stop people from treating things like magic.

>>713199857
Bitchs wrong.
IC designs in general have no symbology whatsoever.
It's on on the RF shit, RF shit is totally fucking demon invocation bullshit

>>713200398
>Kefka is literally no better than Cicero from Skyrim, spawned in a world where the nuke button is much easier to reach.
He was a mook who was in the right place at the right time. That’s why his character and villain status is so funny to me. He usurped Gestahl (who for all intents and purposes was the superior wizard) as the Big Bad because he was standing in the middle of the Triad.

>>713193037
No he just wrote a book

>>713200347
>le contrarian has arrived

>>713200462
>IC designs in general have no symbology whatsoever.
Yeah totally. Totally just a coincidence.

>>713200564
One Winged Angel just really isn't that good dude.

>>713200564
>arrived
he's been giving lazy contrarian responses to posts throughout this entire thread.

>>713200515
Funny how both Kafka and Kefka have something related to metamorphosis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTn96QsP6_Q

>>713200578
They're just about squeezing as much shit as possible in the tiniest space.

Now RF use this table to calculate how to receive or send "invisible rays".

The dumb ending of the original and the novelizations ruined FFVII, Sephiroth hardly had any beef with Cloud before the last fight, his target was Aerith otherwise he would've just killed Cloud all the way back in Midgar he was just pulling anyone with Jenova cells to do his bidding, Cloud just happened to be the one experiment which didn't ended as a braindead drone

>>713200498
Exactly. Also Kefka had to act the bitch for the Empire until he got his chance at power, whereas Sephiroth wasn't the least bit worried about Shinra, despite Shinra having more heavy hitters than the Empire in did. Kefka clearly fails miserably in FFVIIs world while Sephiroth speedruns a victory in VI.

>>713200398
>no diff the player party

Sabine and Terra are right there anon. You're nuts if you think Sephiroth can take on either of them when he literally died by being suckerpunched by normie Cloud.

>>713200737
>Trying to summon a demon with an array like that
Fuck, that sounds like a pain. Being a satanist sounds like the most obnoxious, meticulous nonsense ever.

>>713200737
All demons. All science and technology is evil.

>>713192734 (OP)
>Yes Firion, I think I will go to hell... to kill Satan and take over

>>713200608
It objectively is. You can say you don't like something without coming across as a retard anon.

>>713194301
>Implying

>>713199860
when the mad scientist makes more sense

>>713200901
>t. yevon follower

>>713200961
It objectively isn't. You can say you like something that isn't good without coming across as a retard, anon.

>>713200929
The grindset never ends, even after death.

for me, it's rinoa

>>713200740
>Sephiroth hardly had any beef with Cloud before the last fight, his target was Aerith
I kind of want to believe this, but at the same time he tries to manipulate Cloud to kill Aerith before just doing it himself. He knew Holy put his entire plan at risk, and he still waited presumably just to fuck with Cloud, so I don't know.
FFVII feels like a screenplay written by three different people who never talked to each other during production.

>>713201110
>but at the same time he tries to manipulate Cloud to kill Aerith before just doing it himself.
You're not getting that Sephiroth isn't physically present there at all. Sephiroth acts through Jenova. When he tries to make Cloud do it, he's trying to use him as a puppet like any other black robe. When he can't get that to work, he uses another black robe to drop from the ceiling.

>>713200740
Anon, Sephiroth specifically chose Cloud to be the one to give him the Black Materia because he fucking hated Cloud. You think he just got over being stabbed in half? No.
Tell me, why exactly do you think Sephiroth let him out of the cell in Shinra HQ? Cloud was helpless. The Jenova body could've started moving any time. But it waited until he was there, and let him out of imprisonment. Why?
Because that was all part of the plan.
Sephiroth's desire to kick Cloud in the face was always there.

>Kefka
>destroyed the world
Never happened. He took it over. It was still there and you explored it, now under Kefka's rule, while you reunited your party. You then went to kill him at his fortress.

>>713194197
Never played the game. Probably read some powerscalers babble full of fake feats of Kefka destroying worlds/universes or something.

Both Villains were defeated before they could destroy the world.

>>713194507
This is by far the most destructive force ever. You simply would just have to wait.

>>713195054
the serious answer is that kefka was curious at how people were able to continue living when they lived in the absolute shittiest situation possible

>>713201053
Did she even have a reason for wanting to fold all time and existence in on itself?

I Love Golbez
I Love Exdeath
I Love Ultimecia
I Love Emet-Squelch
I Love Evil Wizards

>>713201406
Yes, she says it while they're together on the Ragnarok. She wants her and Squall to exist in one moment forever.

>>713201406
Nothing that isn't headcanon. FF8 is badly written.

>>713200853
>Sabine and Terra are right there anon
You're as big a clown as Kefka if you think they'd stand a chance if you replaced Kefka with Sephiroth at the start of FF6s story.

>>713198980
>Thrust ya pelvis HUH!

>>713200608
the simplicity is why it's so memorable
Dancing Mad or Caius' theme are forgotten precisely because they have more going on

>>713200901
Don't forget condiments and eating anything red and tridents, hell songs like these are inherently satanic too something about three notes in a row related to the devil's trident, therefore not being used in songs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izOQBMo7VLE
There's also animals acting as agents of satan therefore needing to go on trials
>>713201053
>last boss gets another pair of tits
Is she hiding another pussy and ass?

>>713201359
>Never played the game. Probably read some powerscalers babble full of fake feats of Kefka destroying worlds/universes or something.
...but enough about yourself
https://youtu.be/xZbf3N6KIes

>>713200498
Did you miss the part he started oneshotting espers and killed Leo like it was nothing? Even before he got his god power he was far from a pushover.

>>713201568
>Dancing Mad
>forgotten

>>713196650
you forgot about how the world that they are trapped in is not real and how everyone became weak, juvenile, and shitty pepole because of having everything they ever wanted given to them on a golden plate without any work. Marche is a hero for making them wake the fuck up and also working towards improving their lives once they got back to the real world

Potential Hot Take: Gerald Robotnik is the most menacing Planet Destroying bad guy in any vidya ever.

>>713193886
I'M SPLINTER EX-DEATH!

>>713201406
Fear of death and feelings of relentless persecution.

>>713201037
You can state that you conseed and have a low IQ instead of flattering me with mimicry anon.

>>713201667
meanwhile rich kids in real life get the same treatment of everything handed to them but thats okay with marche I guess. (future) wagies should learn their place

>>713201481
Why are final fantasy villains always evil wizards who want to destroy everything purely because they feel like it? Or they can’t cope?

>>713201660
You remember the name, not the song. Not so for One-Winged Angel, an instantly recognizable piece

>>713201543
Get suplexed crybaby

>>713201654
The Game:
>THE WORLD WAS CHANGED
Retarded anons:
>THE WORLD WAS KILL!

>>713201680
Ivo Robotnik casually builds a superweapon that destroys a bunch of star systems just to get Emerl on his side in Sonic Battle. And somehow this is never mentioned again after that.

>>713202000
>hiroshima was not destroyed, it was just changed

>>713201825
what they fuck is he soupused do with rich kids in the real world? buy MK47 and go on a killing spree? rob their parents? blow up business related buildings like Tyler Durden?

>>713201992
Sabin no toys isn't even the best -input skill- character in the franchise

>>713201950
99.9% of world-destroying fantasy villains are evil casters. It's basically law at this point.

>>713201680
I think it's because he's already dead.
The fact that he almost won 50 years before the game ever started and died confident that he would succeed is inherently spooky.

>>713202000
>hiroshima wasn't destroyed, bro, it was CHANGED
there is no word to describe how much of a retarded faggot you are. Last (You) you're getting from me.

>>713202126
damn nigga i was literally one sec away from sending my reply

>>713196593
Let's see, I just finished the Pixel Remasters for the first time so these are my takes that aren't tinted by nostalgia / misremembering things.
>FF1
Garland crashed out of being a good knight and spites the party by forcing them into a timeloop so they're forced to fight forever, plus he's been hijacked by Chaos. Corrupted but a lot of the bad shit isn't necessarily caused by his hand willingly. 4/10
>FF2
Has an empire, wants total world domination, lets himself get killed so he can take over Hell and become Super Satan. I do remember 20th anniversary making him even more comically evil. 9/10
>FF3
Cloud of Darkness wanting to obliterate the world into nothingness is evil, but the way she goes about it is funny in retrospect and she's more a force of entropy and inevitability than anything else. 8/10
>FF4
Golbez was mind-controlled into depopulating the world so that Zemus can take over the world unimpeded from his Hyperborean Nazi Moon Base and repopulate the Lunarian race. At least there's actual justifications for the evil this time around. 6/10
>FF5
Exdeath is the manifestation of thousands of sealed, evil spirits in a forest and is a tree who initially wants to enact permanent cruelty and suffering on everyone until he's defeated, gets sent to the void, and then comes back to murder-suicide all of existence itself. He's also incapable of having any positive emotions. 10/10.
>FF6
Court mage who got mindfucked by Gestahl's first attempt at making magitek. Turns into a psychotic clown who lucks into gaining ultimate power and then uses it to destroy the world as he only finds amusement and pleasure in the suffering of others, embodying the purest form of nihilism. The worst part is, even if you defeat him, the future of the world is still uncertain because of all the damage he did. 10/10

I'd say it's a tie between Kefka and Exdeath, the Emperor might also be in the running but there's not enough backstory to him to really make a difference.

>>713199904
For sure.

>>713202126
Explain how Hiroshima was destroyed brainlet. Buildings were destroyed. People were killed. But Hiroshima was not destroyed.

>>713196593
lulu because she let her be impregnated by wakka instead of me

>>713196593
Square Enix

>>713200929
And he somehow also goes to heaven and kicks god out

>>713201291
Did you just ignore the part of Cloud not being braindead? Also Cloud's actions indirectly helped Sephiroth in the long run, yeah Sephiroth was crazy strong in the beginning but being dumped in mako was what made him into a living nightmare that can use bodies and regenerating alien flesh as vessels

>>713201950
Because evil wizards are cool

>>713202126
Yes and now Hiroshima is a better place to live than America's golden city Detroit

>>713195291
Thought it was robocop on the right for a second

>>713201950
Madmen who can’t cope with the world are truly dangerous people.

>>713192734 (OP)
>Sephiroth's final boss form
The ugliest shit they could come up with.
>Kefka's final boss form
A work of art.

>>713194416
Kafka is a german writer, you uncultured zoomer swine

>sephitrannies seething at CHADka
lol
lmao

>>713203960
>Kafka is a german writer
I think you meant JEWISH writer.

Kefka is such a goofball. I liked him in Dissidia.

>>713203654
>ugliest shit
Play the game, it's literally himself just shirtless, with wings from the waist down and an atrophied arm that resembles a black wing, lazy is the precise word to describe his design, then again you could lump his bizarro form along with Jenova's designs and it would still make sense for the setting of the game it was foreshadowed that those who failed to become SOLDIERS either got their sense of self destroyed or turned into abominations

Kefka literally talks like some Rick and Morty fag shit
>KEFKA: I'm all-powerful! Hee, hee, haw! I'm collecting Espers! I'm extracting magic! And... ... ... I'll restore the...Statues!
LOOK GUIZE, I'M PICKLE-KEFKA

>>713198374
*FF8

>>713201197
What's the difference?

>>713199795
>>713199949
>>713199860
>didn't openly participate until he was forced because he was a scientist not a fighter
>Hojo somehow kept track of Sephiroth and all the background events
>rebirth shows the gang interacting with fate and killing the arbiter then abandoning their timeline
>Hojo is now free to pursue to do as he likes, specially knowing that Sephiroth was such a massive success, giving him an ego boost
>he most likely now knows that it's possible to go through parallel timelines and even the past which means he got more shit to obsess over for his own amusement

>>713204276
You got it backwards, you just described Exdeath

>>713192734 (OP)
>Sephiroth vs Kefka.
Damn, This thread is pure nostalgic 90's fifth grade banter.

But speaking of FF villains, Square Enix seems really intent on whitewashing Vayne from FF12 as some kind of misunderstood anti-hero or maybe even in the right whenever they put him in a gacha or something. Do you agree, /v/?

>>713202992
I miss DFFOO.

>>713204101
>>>/pol/

>>713205108
It's bizarre to me how few people understand that Sephiroth is EXTREMELY petty.
He tortures Cloud's mind specifically because Cloud embarrassed him.

>>713205102
>g*rman trying to claim jewish achievements for himself
You first Nazi

>>713201110
>he tries to manipulate Cloud to kill Aerith before just doing it himself
He does that specifically to fuck with Cloud's mental state because he's got the Black Materia.

>>713203275
Detroit is robocop sans robocop

>>713205257
Nope.

>>713205257
I feel like it's the same revisionism people use with Boba Fett and Jagi from FotNS. They are cool, so they must be cool and not crybaby jobbers.

>>713205637
Incorrect, anon has the right of it. Seph never got over being shown up by a normal-ass guy.

>nobody itt mentioned Seymour yet
yeah, i guess he really is the weak part of X

Kefka wishes he was the Emperor
>normal fucking guy, no magical powers or supersoldier bullshit
>evil because he desires power, no sob story
>develops the most advanced airship on the world, genius
>conquers 99% of the world with his army, dragons driven to extinction
>dies
>conquers hell overnight all by himself, kills Lucifer and resurrects
>destroys every single city in the entire world except one, literally only one small city survives, everyone else is fucking DEAD
>dies
>Goes to heaven, conquers it, beats up God, resurrects again
>has a better final dungeon song
>inspired by Bowie

meanwhile Kefka
>only evil from experiment-induced brain damage
>supersoldier but jobs left and right, has to use trickery to win
>has to steal magical power to ascend to godhood
>when remaking the world with his power. and splitting the continents...he just burns down a couple houses, most cities are intact and life goes on like normal
>becomes a nihilist after ascending

>>713201667
Then it turned out the place was real all along and they were literal gods

>>713192734 (OP)
kefka lost
ardyn won

>>713205849
what is there to mention? He never came close to do anything. You kill him over and over until you kill him one last time inside sin because "I can figure out how to control it from the inside just give me a couple thousand years lmao"

Retarded nigga all he had to do was tag along yuna or any summoner and become their final aeon.

>>713198837
still not destroyed and was literally just 1 year later and they rebuilt

>>713199074
bart is poop and just a pawn for some offscreen gods they never say the name of once until the retcon filled sequels

>>713205445
Who has the black materia? Cloud? That's before Aerith's death. She goes to the Forgotten City specifically to prevent Meteor, which has already been summoned.
So he was just dicking around for who knows how long, letting Holy be cast and shit, just to fuck with Cloud. That's how dumb Sephiroth is.

>>713198586
The defeated him IN the void, so technically the dawn warrior power is just that insane.

>>713205002
Well yeah. Even the protagonists weren't against his plan. They just want to stop him from wiping out cities with Sky Fortress Bahamut

>>713205971
Well Ardyn kinda put himself into a no-lose state. Either he wins (Caelum dynasty destroyed) or he wins (he gets to fucking die).

>>713201825
>>713202145
It means you're perfectly okay with how fucked up this world is right now while you kneel to the rich, but think a world where the tables are turned is bad.

Was Ultimecia going to be the strongest antagonist if she actually succeeded?
Compressing time and space into your being is insane. I think FFXIII just had a Capital-G God in Lightning Returns but I never played that.

>>713206264
>Who has the black materia? Cloud? That's before Aerith's death. She goes to the Forgotten City specifically to prevent Meteor, which has already been summoned.
Play FFVII again sometime, you got the order of events wrong. Meteor is not summoned until after Aerith is killed and Cloud journeys to the Northern Crater to give the Black Materia to Sephiroth.

>>713206590
>I think FFXIII just had a Capital-G God in Lightning Returns but I never played that.
yeah though he was only the god of matter, but still by far the most god like being in the series and most kino fight.

>>713206590
Most likely, yes. Ultimecia would have had complete control over past, present, and future, essential omnipotence.
Bhunivelze is not an omnipotent god, for what it's worth. Yes, he's the creator of the universe and the boss of all other gods, and he's immortal, but he's finite in form and in power. He's just the strongest guy out there (and even that is shown up when Lightning proves that the Goddess of Death title beats the Lord God title), not actually all-powerful.

>>713192734 (OP)
>heh, i'm such a zany clown! i'm evil because i am! lololol now im god for some reason take me seriously please!
kefka is the single most overrated character in the entire final fantasy franchise. he's a goofy ass power rangers villain and he's lame and i'm tired of pretending he's not.

>>713205257
>>713205737
Funny enough the events of the game portray them in similar ways, hell the game runs on parallels, Cloud had a group to watch his back and Tifa literally piecing his psyche together while Sephiroth the "war hero" only had Hojo.
Barret got Marlene out before the purge and joined Avalanche, Dyne was left for dead and the last thing he knew was that his town was burned to the ground probably assuming that his daughter, his family, his friends and his best friend were killed by Shinra.
There's also Vincent and Sid, multiple characters were at the edge of going mad, except Yuffie, she's just a hard nationalist with a big ego and daddy issues.

>>713206469
in a way noctis fulfilling the prophecy through dying and ardyn dying is his original goal from 2000 years ago (purge the starscourge) also getting fulfilled

>>713192734 (OP)
I love how Kefka and Sephiroth represent completely different, but equally edgy, autistic chuuni villain fantasies. They're a perfect duality.

>>713205890
How does the Emperor beat Satan AND God but loses to Guys With Swords twice?

>>713206590
ardyn can buu succ anyone and obtain all their powers, memories, experience and knowledge
he daemonized ifrit and gained all the knowledge of the gods
theoretically he could do it to any ff villain and gain everything they have

>>713196361
FFVI, despite having 14 playable characters, has some of the best developed cast members of the whole series.

>>713192734 (OP)
I appreciate FF6's themes of despair and hope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0-qOkbOrDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1xut3w4Rm8

He's pretty well mannered

>>713206783
Anyone who has this take immediately outs themselves as a zoomer who never even played FF6

>>713207025
having played 6 recently it really doesn't

>>713207107
i'm older than your dad. you just have shit taste.

I don't like nu-Kefka's design at all. Original Kefka best Kefka

Zenos is the best in my opinion. Nearly destroys an entire planet just to get his fight cummies and then looks right at the camera and calls you a nerd for thinking his reason for killing everyone isn't good.

>>713207273
generic

>>713207240
Then you must have gone senile, probably from all the tryhard contrarianism you revel in

>>713207310
Not as generic as le nihilism clown

>>713198374
Bartz is such a chad with his 3 Princess Wives

Would FFIX be better if you just didn’t fight Necron?

>>713207182
>>713207240
X > VII > VI have the best cast in this order. didn't play past X

Look at all these faggots too cool to appreciate an effective use of a classic archetype. I wish I was so cool and smart that I was above enjoying nice things. It kind of reminds me of Kefka, in a way

>>713207504
Nah, he just needed a backstory or some hint

>>713207240
My father is 80 years old and that explains a lot about your tastes.

>>713207504
It was kind of insulting how he just came out of nowhere (I know Kuja’s dread brought him but c’mon now) and he quoted fucking Yoda.

>>713196879
The result of bad writing, [SCRIPTED LOSS] Fantasy IX decided to make Trance Kuja a scripted loss. He literally just wins. Necron is a plot device to make him... not win. There's nothing clever about it.

>>713199049
>7 Foot Sword Length

He must be compensating for something

>>713207504
yes. but not drastically so. it was more of a
>wtf was that about-- ANYWAY
when it cut back to the cinematics. the rest of the ending was super satisfying too and we did at least get our final fight with kuja beforehand so i didn't get hung up on necron at all.

Mystic Quest Bros? At least we got a banging 90s Capcom-esque OST

>>713207026
What did you think of this minor change to the end of the world?
GBA and Pixel remastered
https://youtu.be/M9TBx3ce7cE?si=0eGhv81pu8KvFicb&t=49
https://youtu.be/xZbf3N6KIes?si=ExEoXXIIsx3jKo1F&t=81

Compared to the original
https://youtu.be/6-KKuOQXXG0?si=WGvu0T4JxC2Pvhql&t=60

>>713207242
Most people don't even know the difference. Most of the people that talk about FF6 now have never even played it and only know about it secondhand

>>713207816
I forgot about this, holy shit. Localization did this, right?
I played FFIX in 2004 when Episode 2 was already out, but Episode 1 was such a hated film and I don’t even know why they bothered to reference it of all things even if the line fits Necron.

>>713207816
One day someone will make a patch that fixes the garbage made up translation

>>713208020
NTA but both are very solid

>>713205890
>no magical powers

wut???

>>713208180
There's one huge difference in music direction though.

>>713208285
Yeah, original is more "serious" and GBA/PR is more "dramatic" if that makes sense

>>713208120
I'll try speening, that's a good trick!

>>713207582
I just thought he was lamer than Treeman.
Maybe if I hadn't played V first I would have liked him.

>>713196593
Every single void-related antagonist because they don't just fuck with a singular FF title. The void in final fantasy games is the only actual thing that connects them. Cloud of Darkness even has final boss status in 2 different games

>>713208347
I disagree, Original is much more dramatic with the music cutting early.

>>713208097
>>713207242
What IS the difference?

>>713208020
That shot of the planet with all the explosions always reminds me of the Day of Lavos. Anyway that whole sequence was rad, I still remember my first time seeing it. The remakes seem to do it justice, this is my first time seeing the pixel remaster version.

>>713194034
TONBERRY NOOOOO

>>713203960
>>713204101
strictly speaking, the man was czech

Heh.

>>713202219
The Emperor is a cuck who gets BTFO by Jack.
Obviously there's arguments as to whether or not Jack is even canon (Gilgamesh implies hes met other Garlands in Dissidia who aren't Jack (Jack also presumably because Chaos to bring about Dissidia)). Either way, while Garland (Jack or otherwise) certainly isn't evil, Chaos is and should be in the conversation.

>>713208514
he deserved it tbqhwy

>>713208486
"clown" makeup is way more pronounced with the smeared purple lipstick and much heavier accents. Seeing him in motion, his movements and mannerisms are also much more goofy and exaggerated. Feels like a different character to me.

Original character was a foppish immature psychotic asshole magician, but he never struck me as a slapstick caricature that would take a pie in the face and then fart before mugging for the camera

>>713207897
>in the og the player had to do get the best items in multiple quests to make Cloud look more appealing that Aerith and Tifa
>in 7R Cloud just needs a wig and a dress to pass as a woman

I know the one in the logo is supposed to be Terra on the magitek, but i just can't unsee Kefka

>>713209116
I always thought it was Edgar

>>713202173
It's much scarier when this revelation is informed us through Liveleak execution video.

>>713192734 (OP)
Wow! That totally makes up for Kefka's uneappealing design and almost complete lack of personality! It's all about feats, rite guys?!

>>713209534
>almost complete lack of personality
>Kefka
>as opposed to Sephiroth
Ha

>>713192734 (OP)
It is pretty funny how ol Sephy is literally one of the weakest villains in the franchise.

>>713198895
>FFVII is horror.
I remembered saying this in a thread once, and some autist began waging a war against me. FFFVI was scary as fuck for me when I was a kid. It's pretty similar to Resident Evil 2 in tone and the shit that happens at points.

>Betrays her homeland which got numerous people killed
>Gets her husband and youngest son(temporarily) killed
>Hates her other son because he isn't the Dominant then had him become a slave
>Had handmaidens killed for no fucking reason
>Worms her way into another royal family, fucking up that dynamic just to get a new son while fucking over the Crown Prince just for power
I'm surprised Clive didn't run his sword right through her.

>Betrays her homeland which got numerous people killed
>Gets her husband and youngest son(temporarily) killed
>Hates her other son because he isn't the Dominant then had him become a slave
>Had handmaidens killed for no fucking reason
>Worms her way into another royal family, fucking up that dynamic just to get a new son while fucking over the Crown Prince just for power
I'm surprised Clive didn't run his sword right through her.

>>713192734 (OP)
FF6 remake would be the only game to have me like that Star Wars guy. Provided its not a 7 demake and more in the vein of Clair Obscura

>>713209895
Clive didn't run his sword through her because he's a crybaby bitch who took the opportunity to cry about his feelings instead. Meanwhile the actual literal faggot spearchucked her little pussy ayylmao son with no hesitation.

>>713192734 (OP)
>>713194341
>>713197241
Why do people still say Kefka is evil? He's not evil, he was just driven insane by magicite. It's part of his backstory if you pay attention. He's not in control of his own actions. In a court of law you wouldn't even be able to convict him, just like the guy from Saw.

>>713209876
That trail of blood part at Shinra tower really fucked you up huh?

>>713192734 (OP)
Kefka didn’t fully destroy the world either. Civilisation still managed to hang on, and everything resolved itself after he was defeated.

>>713210000
Yeah that was quite the "Fuck You, CUNT." by Dion.

>>713210089
>He's not evil, he was just driven insane by magicite.
Not mutually exclusive. His mind wasn't so decimated that he couldn't make his own decisions anymore. He understood that his actions had consequences and chose to embrace destruction and cruelty to the fullest extent that he could.

>>713210227
Isn't the world still a blasted hellscape crawling with higher level monsters than ever before?

>>713210358
I don't think so. It's implied he was Clown Jesus before he went schizo. The change is too drastic for him to have retained any part of his old personality.

>>713209116
Wtf I always thought that was Kefka

>>713209726
He is ultimately just a guy with a lot of psychic alien goo slathered on him, though. Not like he's a god or usurped the powers of a god. The psychic alien is a right bastard, but it's not deific.

>>713210227
People using the gamescale issue of some towns looking exactly the same before and after the apocalypse to argue that the world wasn't THAT destroyed always make me laugh. The game goes out of its way to hammer in the idea that the human race hangs by a thread and it's a daily struggle to survive but obviously since they didn't completely redo the assets for fucking Jidoor, everything is actually not that bad lol

Meanwhile Kefka is using the Light of Judgment to draw smiley faces on the remnants of humanity like an Etch-a-Sketch of death, entire continents torn apart, ancient evils running amok, death cults forming because all hope is lost... but Jidoor nigga! The auction house? PRISTINE!

>entire first act of Terra's story is finding/saving the espers
>after the midway point they just get reduced to boss fights that you hunt down for the gameplay benefits/completionism
>all dead and gone during the ending
I'm not the only one that thought that was a bit strange, right?

>>713210812
Well yes the Empire made it to the esper homeland and genocided them for magicite. You couldn't save them.
It's the usual doomed hometown, but just 15 hours into the game instead of 1.

>>713210801
>Meanwhile Kefka is using the Light of Judgment to draw smiley faces on the remnants of humanity like an Etch-a-Sketch of death, entire continents torn apart, ancient evils running amok, death cults forming because all hope is lost... but Jidoor nigga! The auction house? PRISTINE!
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>713209373
>For Adult Only

>>713210801
>almost every FF game has ruined towns/towns razed down to the point they are gone from the world map
What is his excuse?

>>713210801
Hey guys uhhhh is General Leo, you know? A black?

>>713207527
I doubt anyone likes or cares about anyone from X that isn't the girls, Jecht and Auron.

>>713210494
>It's implied he was Clown Jesus before he went schizo.
Citation HEAVILY fucking needed. Because as far as I am aware, the only things we know about Kefka's past is that he was an officer in the imperial armed forces and that he was the first to undergo the magitek infusion procedure.

>>713211121
Tidus is a great protagonist.

>he didn't wait for Shadow

>>713192734 (OP)
When I played FFVII as a kid, I thought Holy/Meteor combo wiped out humanity and that human civilization was over.
So, in my mind Sephiroth did more to destroy the world than Kefka.

>>713211084
No, he's a pincushion.

>>713210945
I've posted that image so many times and it's taken this long for anyone to notice.

>Never played ff games but have seen them through general internet use over the years
>Kefka always gets propped up as one of the best villains of all time when the topic comes up
>wonder what sort of interesting character he might be and why he gets so much praise
>turns out hes just le funne pure evil clown exdee

wow
What a fucking disappointment after all these years.

>>713197591
It's even funnier when you remember that the rest of his species disagrees with him and thinks they can live without genociding the natives. Dude just really wants to.

>>713211164
It's said he was a good guy before Cid mindraped him

>>713211706
Fu-So-Ya is a bitch.

>>713207816

PFFFFT
HEY BUTZ, TURN OVER THE TINY SPLINTER

>>713211826
Again, you're going to need to point out where it said Kefka was good prior to the experiment. Not merely "not completely insane", but actually GOOD. Because yeah

>>713211697
Every time someone cites him as the best villain their reasoning is always "dood because he won!!!!" They're just fucking stupid.

>>713210110
That and the Sephiroth flashback

Whatever

All you guys suck

>>713209984
I’ll only take a FF6 remake if it’s NOT split into bi yearly sequels like fucking FF7

>>713207504
Game would probably be better if it were made for the PS2

>>713212015
Secret basement jew monsters was such a bizarre twist and it went absolutely nowhere. Still doesn't beat the basketball court soap opera twist for me but in terms of sheer "wait what the fuck?" it's tough to top

>>713211967
I don’t even know why people say he won. The game’s entire message is that his Nihilism is self-defeating and unfulfilling. He dies, humanity survives and rebuilds. Considering his goal was to destroy all life, he failed spectacularly.

>>713212269
Because they're stupid and they're just repeating a two decade old gamefaqs post that sounded edgy and insightful to 10 year olds at the time.

>>713211963
When you're sneaking around

boy I sure do love living on the sector 7 plate

>>713196958
>the meta is just spamming ultima
this niggy doesn't know about genji gloves

>>713212393
Genji Glove + Offering + Atma Weapon goes on Locke tho so Cyan is still useless.

>>713212350
What was that post?

>>713203654
Kefka’s Final Boss really tells a biblical story coupled with a majestic mesmerizing soundtrack

>>713212358
I assume you mean when we infiltrate the magitek research facility and speak with Cid there? I don't think he said Kefka used to be good or righteous, just that he volunteered for the procedure. Could have been any number of reasons for that. Considering it was Vector's super soldier program, he may have just wanted power and prestige

>>713211963
They talk about it in Vector, Ron.

>>713194998
>>713195892
>on that day the world was destroyed and everyone died. the end
ff6 was brutal.

>>713201680
Phantasy Star 2

>>713212598
Kefka’s entire final boss fight is one of the all time greats, ruined only by the fact that it’s too easy.

>>713194341
>an happy
they really should range ban every country outside the US

>>713212546
That Kefka is the best villain because he won, that's it. It's one of those phrases that has just become a meme without anyone realizing it, and people repeat it thinking they're original. It's really weird. The same thing happens with "I just picked a girl character because I don't want to look at a man's ass!" I've been hearing that one since 1999 when the smelly guy who played a female half-elf was making excuses, and I still see it on this board today from people who think they're being clever. It's really weird to me honestly, like they're not really people.

>>713212368
>on
Better than under(neath the rotting pizza) but yeah you're still in for a bad time

>>713201053
Those Tits are to die for

>>713199860
Kefka and Hojo would have… interesting interactions

>>713199795

>>713212540
in my playthroughs genji glove and offering go on all four party members (usually terra, celes, locke, and setzer, but sometimes i swap out locke and/or setzer for others for variety)

>>713212714
I do think Kefka is a good and memorable villain, but I’d hesitate to call him the best. I’d say Gabranth is my favourite FF villain. I’d rate Ultimecia pretty highly too because she’s creepy and eerie and her presence can be felt throughout the game despite her not getting a lot of screen time.

Sephiroth is a fucking meme villain though. People only liked him because he looked cool and because One Winged Angel was one of the first vidya tracks to include Latin choirs.

>>713212620
Point it out then, Yu. I'm very interested in hearing about Kefka's former good deeds. Still don't believe you, by the way

>>713192734 (OP)
You are like little babies, watch this

>>713192734 (OP)
Both lose to Caius lmao. He also got what he wanted by the end.

>>713198837
Same in Chrono Trigger

>>713212994
Kefka is just fun, but he's not deep or insightful or anything.

>>713212994
For me I like Sephiroth for his effects on Cloud, the character I actually like. Sephiroth on his own is kind of uninteresting for me

>>713210110
To be honest the horror does linger, both traditional and psychological, how the people of Midgar just accept a plate being dropped on them or reactor meltdowns sending towns back to almost the stone age, the Gi lore, well... almost anything related to Hojo in general, the fact that the planet has living weapons ready to annihilate any threat without care of bystanders, etc.

>>713212675
How would you make Kefka harder?

What gimmicks would you give the 4 phases?

wat if kefka
was a grill

>>713198837
When the setting sunlight hits Doomgaze just right... This apocalypse sings

>>713213123
Yeah, Sephiroth is basically just a watered down Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader outside of the psychological trauma he inflicts on Cloud. The fact he became of the most iconic vidya villains ever is baffling to me considering there are better FF villains.

FFIII doesn’t get get enough love, 2025 marks the 35th Anniversary for it

>>713213301
KAWAII DESUNEEEE

>>713213330
Well the thing is FF7 had a great backing ensemble of antagonists with Hojo, Rufus, the Turks, the Shinra board etc not just Sephiroth, he was just the poster boy. But I honestly can't think of many games with as many memorable villains.

>>713213235
Well there's also Shinra themselves. Think about how many times they've memory holed massive catastrophic events. Nibelheim burned down and it's populace was annihilated. No one knows. Corel was burned down by Shinra for something the townspeople did not do. They built Gold Saucer over it. Midgar used to be a collection of villages. No one knows their names anymore. No one even knows that "Mako" is actually called "The Lifestream." The Northern Continent used to be called "Knowlespole." But now it's just "Icicle Area."

I completely understand Yuffie's immature need to gather Materia to fight Shinra out of Wutai. How long before Shinra just deletes Wutai's entire history?

>>713213243
Even just giving them more HP would improve them. Also, maybe have certain phases fuck with your Espers and break the game since Kefka has god-like powers. I think FFVIII had something cool going for its final battles where Ultimecia can just swap your party members when she feels like it, and she can also put your entire party to 1 HP right at the start of her final phase.

>>713200737
I’ve been down this tunnel in my dreams

>>713196650
And then he comes back anyway for the postgame content(mewt not invited), what a chad

>>713206569
Marche thought that the fake world was bad because it was fake and made everyone worse and unable to make progress in the real world.

>>713213330
To be fair most of the FF villains are pretty nothing without many interactions or relations with the party outside of Caius

>>713198974
He's basically an unstable prototype of what Celes is. Every bit as powerful as her, but crazy because experimental magicite experiment fuckery. Even grows in power over the course of the game, same as a party member. Still given a position of minor influence by the emperor. Does his bidding to the letter, still gets thrown under the bus. Bides his time, strikes at just the right moment to fuck over the shithead emperor, and ascend to godhood. Just wants to watch the world burn, for all the shit he was put through.

>>713213614
>noooo you can't just enjoy yourself in stagnation in a fantasy, you have to wake up and work for mr. noseberg!!

>>713213614
As opposed to the real world where those in power are worse and unable to make progress for everyone?
Marche was just power tripping and committed genocide of a plain of reality scale.

>>713207504
I hear Necron was supposed to be the "final boss is some rando who comes out of absolutely nowhere" trope from FF3 since FF9 was made to have all kinds of references to the earlier games. I think it's still a shitty way to finish off the game though. At least it's a fairly entertaining battle.

>>713213243
I think the final battles of Octopath Traveler 1 and 2 are a fairly good example of how Kefka's fight could have been made more difficult, in spite of the different mechanics. Pretty sure they were both more or less inspired by his multi-stage tower fight anyway

The problem with making Kefka's final battle really hard is it would force players to have to use at least twelve(or was it 16?) characters and they'd all have to be really strong and geared up. Most people would have hated that, it's enough you're forced to use multiple parties beforehand

>>713213376
I like it quite a bit, feels like they crammed secret switches and walls in every screen

Ardyn from XV is up there for best villain, because he was 100% right too.

>>713213802
Isn’t Necron meant to be a thematic final boss wherein he represents the theme of death present throughout the game? Even the name “Necron” seems to evoke this.

>>713209983
shes hot so its all justified.

Wonder if they played the remakes?

>>713213310
Ok you made me laugh, thanks you devious jester.

>>713213718
>>713213754

Yes. The world we are living in is the only one we have, even if it's unfair. You must work for your happiness even if it's unfair. Stop watching anime and playing video games, and go to work. Grow, learn, fight, and overcome hardships instead of living inside your fantasy world. NOW.

>>713197362
Also this, nothing connected her to the story besides that morsecode sound after that guy throws his device away at the end of Crystal Tower I think where it says IT'S ALL WRONG.

>>713213376
I love III, but not the tacky DS OCs.

>>713214162
>Noooo you have to be miserable here and aren't allowed to reroll the dice!
This is why socialism is good, it stops the escapism of the rich.

>>713213802
The Cloud of Darkness doesn't come out of nowhere, it's visible the instant you fly off the Floating Continent, it covers the entire world. And when you fight Xande he directly talks about summoning it.

>>713213963
Yeah but Necron is just the result of weird writing decisions. Hades was originally planned to be the final boss to represent that same theme, but they swapped him at the last moment and made him a superboss instead.

>>713194034
I respect Jack's strength

>>713213376
For sure. FFIII has some of the best music in the series
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hyQnmlb4HE
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r_u7l5hK40
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYw210iDdmo
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHi4PhLZC28

>>713212368
Your son, Reeve's gonna miss you. You really should move out.

I rate FF villains on their music and honestly, Dancing Mad is kino

>>713214934
Dancing Mad gets extra points because Square managed to almost perfectly emulate Kefka's laugh with the GBA soundchip.

https://youtu.be/g6UgxJtHIVY?si=NnxWZh7C1aWpltmB&t=880
https://youtu.be/3yCVFuZhag0?si=rQChKDNqPfF4Nh9a&t=193

>>713199857
>microscopic megastructures

>>713210358
Why didn't no one just rape Kefka?

>>713216104
He'd be into it

Ultimecia's funny because her entire life is one awful self-fulfilling prophecy.

>>713216531
Sounds sad

>Jim Gordon gets isekai'd into the World of Balance
Fund it!

>>713216587
meant to quote >>713216104

>>713216339
Would he? He seemed to be into the idea of breeding Celes when we met him on the Floating Continent. He was somewhat crestfallen when that didn't work out. But it might have also been the sword in his gut

>>713202173
>>713209505
SA2 was so fucking based.

>Be celebrated as a hero; everyone loves you.
>Find out you were a science baby and your mother was one of the Ancient guardian race humans drove to extinction.
>Go nuts and try to kill everyone for muh reparations.

>EXCEPT your mommy Jenova wasn't an Ancient, she was a discount The Thing abomination that also murdered the shit out of the Ancients before the humans.
>And she isn't even your real mom. That honor goes to that stupid Lucrecia bitch that did the sex with Hojo which would honestly be a way better motivation for wanting to destroy the world.
Sephiroth is a stupid B I T C H

>>713216531
Qrd?

>>713217836
What's doubly funny is that Hojo couldn't stop laughing at the idea of Sephiroth finding out that he's his actual father, even though Sephiroth fucking hates him

>Hojo
>My son is in need of power and help. >...That's the only reason.

>Cloud
>...your son?

>Hojo
>Ha, ha, ha... Although he doesn't know.
>Ha, ha, ha... HA, HA, HA...!!
>What will Sephiroth think when he finds out I'm his father?
>Always looking down on me like that.
>HA, HA, HA...!!

>>713217957
So the logic goes that SeeD remembers how some sorceress in the future attempts to KOMPRESS time and thus begins a general hatred for sorceresses. This will lead to their persecution, which will inevitably lead to them persecution Ultimecia whenever she's born. Which causes her to hate SeeD and get the idea of TIME KOMPRESSION. Which she will attempt and fail because her method of KOMPRESSING time lures Squall and friends from the past, who end up killing her, which then resets everything but with the knowledge that some sorceress in future will attempt to KOMPRESS time. It's a closed temporal loop where every event reinforces itself to ensure it keeps happening forever

>>713192734 (OP)
Sephiroth is the better villian. It has been almost 30 years, but people are still trying to find little nuggets from the original game that Aerith still appears in Disc 3 even though Sephiroth killed her

no one can let go at that time that you can't revive Aerith. that's how much good and lasting of a villain Sephiroth is

>>713217836
Jenova wasnt the Thing, Jenova was basically female Lavos

>>713192734 (OP)
The constant inferiority complex from 6fags trying to pretend they were patricians for preferring it was always annoying.

>>713218383
But VI is objectively superior tho

>>713218180
This. Basically since she was born, she's been persecuted for the actions she commits in her future because to the people persecuting her, it's their past. Her actions were also born as a responder to her persecution. It's like time itself decided to fuck her up. I guess because she dared to KOMPRESS it.

>>713196376
Not a retcon. The morse code from meteion was added to the Crystal Tower in Stormblood.

Kefka's theme music fits his role and portrayal so perfectly. I think it's underrated just how well his theme suits him as a character. Everyone talks about Dancing Mad but no one ever thinks about Kefka's Theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxe71i8Hegg

>>713218263
I love cosmic horror villains in my 90s RPGs

>>713218634
It's funny because this loop only continues because no one will ever let it go. All SeeD would have to do is decide not to be racist against sorceresses and suddenly Ultimecia would never happen. Conversely Ultimecia just has to decide not to KOMPRESS time and suddenly SeeD would never happen. But neither side will ever be convinced to just stop so this loop will continue forever

>>713193697
literally who

I believe that children are the future

>>713200578
they literally don't. Pathways on a PCB are just copper wires electrically connecting two points on one or more 2 dimensional planes.
You could get the same effect with free-wire soldering, but it's not possible to mass-produce and it's very fragile and ugly.

>>713218758
Agreed, i like his theme a lot

>>713218651
It had zero fucking context lmao

>>713218758
FFVI is easily the peak of Squeenix music composition

>>713219184
that is generally how teasers work, yes.

>>713219216
sorry I meant to say FFVIII

>>713219239
concession accepted

>>713219254
fuck i messed up again, meant VII

>>713218263
Not quite, she or it is basically a space parasite, assimilating the native life, then use some of their life energy to travel across space in the search of more life, until the Cetra managed to seal her.
Basically the aliens from Nier Automata if they were just space parasites, instead of lesser beings that managed to develop space-faring technology

>>713219184
It was all part of the Jailer's plan and you were foolish not to see it

>>713218185
The only reason Aerith dying is considered such a major moment is because a party member dying early in the game was rather unconventional for the time, and also she’s a cute girl, which automatically makes people more sad and sympathetic for her. But that moment doesn’t make Sephiroth a good villain. Literally anyone could have dealt that killing blow. It’s just that Sephiroth did it because he’s the main antagonist and it gives the player a personal motive to want to fight him.

>>713202187
why are you like this. what do you gain from holding on to this weird lie every time ff6 is brought up. what do you have against ff6

>>713219216
>>713219254
Dancing Mad is Uematsu’s magnum opus, but FFVIII is the best FF soundtrack overall. Every single song in VIII is a 10/10.

>>713194034
KEKEKEKEKEKE
GET FUCKING REKT

>Some time shockwave 2,000 years from the future fucks your civilization up.
>Become an immortal mad scientist spending the millennia committing a bunch of atrocities trying to figure out a way to stop the shockwave.
>Build a tower up to the location where the shockwave was found to originate so you'll be able to deal with whatever happens there.
>It turns out the shockwave only happens because YOU built the tower to get up there.
>"I am a genius... OH NO!"
This guy is the funniest FF villain.

>>713219645
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbf3N6KIes
I accept your concession

>>713202187
are you saying this entire article is a lie
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Cataclysm_(Final_Fantasy_VI)

>>713193697
bro destroyed like 7

>>713195291
absolutely based, fucking zoomers don't even know how.
>when you're so powerful you have to limit yourself

>>713219776
I accidentally replied to the wrong person lol. yeah that guy is a real faggot

>>713219569
There's also the fact that Sephiroth managed to manipulate Cloud into almost killing her, then when the players lowered their guard he just decided to finish the job himself, that was a proper set-up, then there's the "oh fuck the chosen one is dead and Sephiroth is going through his plan to nuke the planet" part, remember, the events in isolation matter less that how they're presented and how the repercussions play off after.

>>713219569
>because a party member dying early in the game was rather unconventional for the time
phantasy star 2 and 4 say hi

Is Sephiroth even evil? I think he’s a good lad.

>>713220121
Sephiroth is absolutely evil. He's the worst parts of Shinra and Jenova in a single person

>>713219569
V did the teammate death better. Galuf is the real mvp of dying teammates.

>>713220163
He only wants to destroy the world because he loves it so much.

>>713220163
he isn't evil he just wants to make his hot alien mommy happy

>>713196593
kefka is by far the least evil villain in the entire series.

lobotomizing someone and them being insane isn't evil. it's retardation.

>>713220228
No he's trying to destroy it because he thinks he's supposed to have it. That's not even the way the Cetra saw themselves, the Cetra acted as stewards and caretakers of the Planet. They didn't try to own it. That's Shinra talk.

>>713218758
So good. Not that the guy needs his dick sucked any harder, but Uematsu is a fucking master.

>>713220051
FF2 also did the same

>>713220163
There’s a debate to be had as to whether the Sephiroth we see is the actual Sephiroth or is just a ghost/illusion created by Jenova.

>>713196593
>FF Antagonist
Dude it's not even an argument. Jenova wiped out countless worlds for all eternity.
No other FF antagonist comes close.

>>713201742
sounds like a jew

>>713219569
FF2 and 4 have a party member death every 30 minutes

>>713220121
>Is Sephiroth even evil?
I don't think so. My headcannon is that reading about Jenova and the circumstances of his birth is what finally allowed the Jenova within him to overpower his mind. It's also my headcannon that in part 3 of remake his human aspect will be allowed to rejoin the lifestream as the filthy xenos scum that is jenova is finally erased forever.

>>713199860
Hojo is the average japanese man though kek.

>white woman have sex with dog
>let me abuse my own child
>random sex, but work is more important desu
>my feet hurt

>>713219765
CC has some wild ass villains in general.

>>713220225
Nah, he fulfilled the role of noble sacrifice to the utmost extent, but eventually still constrained to that role. Aerith and Josef rise above him, because theirs include guilt as the spice.

>>713220578
I would say Hojo cucks Vincent, but Lucrecia chose Hojo over him
lmao

>>713220121
No. He’s just confused.

>>713220121
All we know pre-novelization is that Sephiroth had no one to stay by him, being a war hero and has been a SOLDIER since who knows when, he doesn't even seem to mention any friend or family member, his life seemingly revolving around doing Shinra's bidding, the dude doesn't know that Hojo is his real dad and somehow attaches his entire identity to Jenova.
The way it's portrayed might as well scream that he has been a test subject his entire life, not even having a childhood let alone paternal/maternal figures.

>>713220635
i felt no guilt watching a retard pray and ignore her surrounding after living the the slums as long as she did.

>>713220635
I pointed this out earlier, but I also feel that Aerith being a girl also enhanced the impact. An old man having a badass last stand against the main antagonist is different from an attractive girl who you can actually romance being snatched away abruptly and unexpectedly by the main antagonist shanking her in the back.

Deaths of female characters are almost always going to hit harder. It’s just a bias humans have.

>>713220902
Didn't Aerith intentionally die so she can go in to the lifestream to summon Holy?
Is that just cope?

>>713220996
i barely remember anything from 7. its by far my least replayed FF with only 1 play through over 20 years ago. either way she's still retarded

>>713220698
and she deserved everything bad.
who the fuck didn't see Hojo as insane, every piece of media has him being the edgiest little chink.

vincent was emotionally cucked, but reality is lucrecia really never cared more than a slight friendship to begin with.
they barely knew eachother and vincent is projecting a lot.

>>713220996
>Didn't Aerith intentionally die so she can go in to the lifestream to summon Holy?

It was not intentional, however her death is what actually activates Holy.
It shares similarities with Christ, Aeris being (((chosen people))), being speared very similarly to the same area that Christ was speared, etc.

She wanted to spare Cloud, because Cloud's autism was getting too much.

>>713220917
That's true however I think Galuf's last stand is undercut by 2 things. First is a byproduct of what you mentioned. Galuf is an old man by the time of his death. It shouldn't matter but like you mentioned a young woman having her life cut short is more tragic than an old man at the sunset of his life making a last stand. There's also the fact all of Galuf's skills transfer to Krile when he falls. When Aerith dies, that's a wrap. You can transfer her Materia but her limits, the main thing that defines each character, goes with her

>>713199857
>trapping demons inside silicon chips to play minecrap

>Be one of the three disciples of the Great Giga Nigga Wizard.
>Giga Nigga decides to hand out gifts to all of you.
>Disciple One gets supreme mastery over magic.
>Disciple Two gets dominion over the world of dreams.
>You get... stripped of your immortality.
>Freeze time because OH GOD I DON'T WANT TO DIE

wtf was his problem

>>713221673
he was funny. shame i cant get his damn card. I did get a foil Tidus and Ardbert though. a few other but those 2 are my favorites from the crossover.

>>713196424
Didn't destroy the world there are still people and buildings.

>>713220996
>>713220902
Ilfana died before telling Aerith that the Cetra could hear the voice of the lifestream, so either she only unleash Holy in that place or by that point her only option was to pray for Holy to activate and even it was shown that Holy wasn't enough, the lifestream needed to be wielded as well to counter the calamity of the black materia
Also, it was shown that the closer Cloud got to the northern crater, the easier he became to manipulate, hell Sephiroth could actually manipulate the entire party to certain extent, so she would've probably died in that section with the black robes.

>>713220879
Kinda tragic when you think about it

>>713221673
he wanted death, a true death. with the life stream he's functionally immortal, sure he'll be a different person when his soul is reborn, but he'll continue existing while craving non-existence. an eternity endlessly experience the same suffering on repeat with no respite in sight. must be mind boggling even being made aware of his past lives with the same want for death. so what's a nigga gotta do to die for real?

kill the planet

>>713218758
To be fair, the 4th act of Dancing Mad is a remix of his theme.

>>713213569
Oh yeah definitely Ultimecia had a lot going for her, and the fact that she can blow away junctioned spells

>>713220902
The guilt was from Cloud beating Aerith up and not getting to apologize. (Also officially Aerith is not in control of her body post-Temple of the Ancients, but I ignore that, because I find it distasteful.)
>>713220917
I can acknowledge that bias is a threat, but for me I think it's objective that Aerith's is better with enough certainty surpassing that doubt.

>>713211121
>Jecht
is a fag. You meant Wakka

So, how do I go about playing every final fantasy game? Start from 1 on the nes and get going?

>>713223559
Play the PS1 version of FF1 instead, it's faithful to the NES version but with major bug fixes and better graphics.

>>713223559
Its a whole can of worms regarding which ports to play. Just decide for yourself which one looks good and play it.

>>713223559
>>713223634
Also, if you REALLY wanna dig in to which version, this guy went through every version of FF1-6 and compared each
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfNrc3VoeNA

>>713223559
You might bounce off the series if you start from its janky beginnings. If you really want to experience the whole damn thing, release order is always best, but the truth is that (almost) all these games are completely standalone. It's generally accepted that 4 through 10 are all quite good, so it's also fine to pick whichever one of those sounds the most interesting to you and start from there.

>>713195291
UNLIMITED
UNIVERSAL
INDALECIO

>>713224036
Actually impossible.

>>713221906
Check >>713206804

>>713224062
outside of cheese like the Algol, it is possible, I did it over a long ugly summer as a kid, but it's not fun or worth it it was so fucking worth it

>>713220698
Have you seen him at the beach? The man just swims in pussy.
He must have a gigacock under that labcoat.

Dr. Light literally destroyed the world 10 times over, and forced his evil arch nemesis to make a robot that would become the good guy and save everyone.

>>713223559
You don't need to play in order so just start with the one that grabs you attention, but if you want to then I recently went through them all and used these releases

>1 pixel remaster
It's the only non-original version which keeps the non-MP magic system, but if you don't care about that any version is fine
>2 pixel remaster
It's a pretty meh game with some questionable decisions, and this version has the most QoL, might be worth playing if you want to check it out and want to avoid getting filtered
PSP version also seemed good, with most of the QoL(It also has a postgame that is apparently pretty good, sadly I can't tell you)
>3 pixel remaster
It's the best version since they removed the "Job Fatigue" system so you can freely change jobs and experiment, DS version is super different and ruins a lot of the charm of the 2D art, battles are straight up fucked from technical limitations(actually played this one for a good 7 hours and I hated it, but I loved the PR version)
>4 gba
DS really ramps up the difficulty and uses 3D models instead of the iconic portraits with amano art which completely changes the feel of many characters, has 3D cutscenes
PSP and GBA are mostly the same but gba's artstyle feels more "natural", your choice
>5 gba(my favorite out of the first 6)
original version is also fine
gba has a worse translation but has some okay postgame(pretty skippable though)
PR fixes bugs but looks worse imo, I'm sure it's fine enough though
>6 gba
both snes and gba are fine, I don't remember the differences between the translation and the soundtrack(both things can be patched)

After that it's easy to tell which version to play

>>713195291
SPICULE!

>>713223106
Wakka had a point
>Al Bhed didn't saw Sin as a legitimate threat
>their machina was wiped alongside several people
>never decided to even figure out the root cause of why Sin kept returning
>in X-2 their strict technology oriented vision causes people to stop being summoners
>people become fiends if they're not sent to the farplane
>decide to power machines with the souls of the dead

>>713192734 (OP)
So who's the actual worse? the Meteia?
They have been despair fucking planets at an actual universal stake

>>713224745
>It's the only non-original version which keeps the non-MP magic system
The PS1 version also has the vancian magic system.

>>713224943
The Cloud of Darkness casually sweeps across countless universes and unmakes them on a daily basis.

>>713195054
What fun is destruction if no "precious" lives are lost?

>>713225032
Why does the Cloud of Darkness look like a fertile woman? It is a birth/rebirth symbol? I want to impregnate her ad infinitum.

>>713225032
>Countless gay universes that cant even muster 4 niggers in a row
Fixd

Well that was fun. Stupid at times, like really stupid, but overall still fun

>>713207527
xv clears them all

>>713225273
If I had to explain it, it's because women are associated with extreme polarities in the human psyche, like how feminine goddesses are associated with Venus (both the morning and evening star), how they tend to rule over domains of both love and war. Ishtar was the goddess of love and also of bloodshed and violent wastelands, Aphrodite was also known as Areia for inspiring violence in the hearts of men, Hera was the perfect wife and also the scariest Olympian, etc. Cloud of Darkness finds worlds that are out of balance and tips them to such extremes that they collapse, whether she has to appear as the Cloud of Darkness or Flood of Light, so it's a femoid.

>>713198659
>Sephiroth imposed his will upon Jenova
No.

>>713224725
Yes, we all saw the screencap.

>>713225059
This guy gets it. Uweeheeheehee

>>713223559
I played them like this:
1&2, 5 and 6 - GBA
3&4 - PSP
7,8,9 - PS1
10 - PS2

I have no regrets, they all felt fine to emulate

>>713225596
Surely it was always Sephiroth's goal to cause a massive fissure in the planet and merge with its life force. Jenova couldn't have come up with a plan like that on its own so it could only be the will of Sephiroth, the lab experiment that up until a little while ago believed he was part of a lost tribe of hippie nomads and that Jenova was his mom

God damn that Sephiroth comes up with the best ideas all on his own boy howdy

>>713202992
Jack is so cool

>>713225596
Play the game.
>>713226003
Jenova was never trying to drink the Lifestream herself. That plan came from Sephiroth after he drank a ton of Cetra juice in the Lifestream. When Jenova was first sealed it was because she LEFT the North Crater to go eat Cetra instead.

Evil magicians really are the best.

>>713226101
You didn't understand the game you allegedly played. Not a very smart dude.

>>713226101
>Jenova was never trying to drink the Lifestream herself.
I love this thread it's just so full of the most incredible takes. Thank you, anon.

>>713226362
>>713226359
Go look up the Gast tapes on youtube if you need to. Jenova wasn't drinking the Lifestream, she was eating Cetra instead despite it being easily available in the crater she crashed into. The planet eating plan came from Sephiroth.

>>713226418
She was fighting a war against the people trying to stop her from absorbing the life force of the planet. Pretty sure you know this, though, and you're just panning your brain for dopamine arguing in bad faith online. Sad stuff, but you're in good company, that's 95% of this board. Hope you get what you need out of these interactions, consider maybe getting on a treadmill the next time you need a head rush

>>713226418
I think you should try remembering more than just the Gast tapes so that you have a more full context view of what Jenova was and what its goals supposedly were, and the planet's response, rather than just how it was defeated and where it was found.

Also it was turning Cetra into monsters. Read my man

This thread reminds me of my dad: Mentally ill, completely out of touch with reality, constantly spouting nonsense and cannot stand having me around

>>713226810
Conservative parent, what would you do without them.
I also get it's a Gau reference.

>>713195903
>Kefka fans are retarded.
FF6 fans you mean. But it's understandable, they are intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor.