https://www.gematsu.com/2025/06/sega-mistakenly-reveals-sales-numbers-for-like-a-dragon-infinite-wealth-persona-3-reload-shin-megami-tensei-v-and-more

infinite wealth: 1.66M

P3 Reload: 2.07M

Sonic Superstars 2.43M

Sonic Frontiers: 4.57M

SMTV: 2.11M

P5 Royal: 7.25M

Team Sonic racing: 3.5M

>The sales numbers, which appear on page 25 of the presentation, are hidden behind a grey block. However, due to the way the PDF file is formatted, simply highlighting the page reveals the presence of text, which can be copied and pasted.

lmao
Never change, Japan

>P5 Royal: 7.25M
People sure do love sloppy seconds.

>>713251120
it sounds low to me considering it was free to play on gamepass, but I guess it would depend how much persona 5 original version sold

>>713250925 (OP)
>infinite wealth: 1.66M
Why did it do so poorly?

>>713250925 (OP)
Don't forget Metaphor also citing 2m units sold, just without the added fiscal year breakdown.

>>713250925 (OP)
>Sonic Frontiers: 4.57M
what the fuck is wrong with sonic autists, that game was absolutely horrible and NOTHING was redeemable

>>713251230
The story was dogshit

>>713250925 (OP)
Remember

>>713251225
These numbers don't include gamepass. It's sales, not players

>>713251317
seethe classicuck

>>713250925 (OP)
It's interesting that Yakuza is still kind of niche even after all the shilling and promotion

>>713251120
I bought it twice

>It still hasn't been cracked

Piratefags/poorfags are fucking pathetic

>>713250925 (OP)
I think the biggest crime here is how well P3 Reload sold.

>>713251821
I don't think anyone cares enough about the game for anyone to bother. I still haven't played it yet, but I also haven't cared enough to even check whether it had been cracked. I wouldn't have ended up playing it either way

>>713251413
Fuck yeah

>>713251860
2M doesn't sound like a lot of copies to me. I thought persona was supposed to be really popular now?

>>713251938
Okay that's you though, and based on sales, there's a lot of piratefags that'll never get to play it.

>>713251860
It’s a good game.

>>713252070
Not only is P3 not a good game but the remake actively made it worse.

>>713250925 (OP)
Lmao, turn-based schizos on suicide watch, looks like Yoshi-P was right after all.

>>713251725
Yeah. Hiring those e-celebs to appear in their games didn't trickle down to their fans actually buying the games. Who would've thunk?

>>713252151
oh my god shut the fuck up
it is evidently better the reload

>>713250925 (OP)
>p5 is 7.25m
it's crazy how many people likes persona sloppa

>>713250925 (OP)
>Frontiers outsold both Infinite wealth and P3R combined
LMAOOOOOOOOOO

>>713251725
>>713252263
Turns out watching games on YouTube is a lot easier than buying them

>>713250925 (OP)
>SMT V when it was a switch exclusive dropped to only 10k sales
Holy shit, imagine if Vengeance port didn't end up getting made. Why did switch players stopped buying it?

>>713252151
Yeah, whatever. The reload is way better. People don’t care that the hallways aren’t dark enough or some other inane bs reason you conjure up.

how much did Microsoft pay Sega to put p3 Reload as day1 gamepass?

It feels unlikely that whatever they paid would have been as much as what they would have made in sales, looking at this. 2M is pathetic for persona

>>713252402
its a remake

How come persona constantly attracts these internet flies?

>>713251938
>I don't think anyone cares enough about the game for anyone to bother.
you really can't stop yourself from pathetically sourgraping every time lmao

>>713251860
2M is still pretty pathetic for one of, if not, currently THE most recognizable JRPG franchise

>>713252467
I legit didn't know it hadn't been cracked because I had never tried to pirate it. I doubt I was the only one

>>713252402
>how much did Microsoft pay Sega to put p3 Reload as day1 gamepass?

Bro unless this had that info leaked, nobody knows the metrics or money that exchanges hands in regards to gamepass.

The one thing we know about Sega and MS, is that the Yakuza games were pulled from Xbox Game Pass.

>>713252354
Probably word of mouth of the shit decisions like the extremely barebones story, level difference being such an important factor in the damage formula, and overall low demon roster. A majority of the initial sales probably stem from people that were starved for a new SMT and have been waiting since the switch's announcement to get the game.

>>713252590
I thought the amounts they paid to like 200 devs leaked. You could probably make an estimate based on that number of datapoints

>>713252465
>Constantly
>Reload barely squeezed past 2 million in 1.5 years

>>713250925 (OP)
Old men should not be allowed near computers.
>>713252354
It ran terribly, it was in no fit state to release.

>>713250925 (OP)
why was sega so disappointed with superstar's numbers then?
the first year sales are higher than almost everything else on the list yet they were calling it a failure day 1
and it can't have been expensive to make

>>713252402
>how much did Microsoft pay Sega to put p3 Reload as day1 gamepass?
I'm posting this in confidence, so you better keep it a secret. It was 20 million

>>713250925 (OP)
>Team Sonic racing: 3.5M
>Sonic Superstars 2.43M
>Sonic Frontiers: 4.57M

Fucking Sonic fans buy anything, have they no shame?

>>713252545
If there are sonic autists, there are pirate autists seething they can't play it.

>>713252641
Oh shit really?

https://imgur.com/a/exhibit-px-1052-credit-u-zxxii-pHi74Dq

Ah okay

>>713252729
>Sonic fans
>have they no shame?
are you seriously asking this?

>>713250925 (OP)
>P3 Reload: 2.07M
>SMTV: 2.11M
Pretty generous time gap aside, it's incredible to see mainline SMT inch its way past Persona again, especially when the original P3 is where the spinoff began to overshadow it.
Also what in the blue fuck is wrong with you Sonic fans buying that many copies of Superstars?

>>713252729
Sonic fans do not know the meaning of the word shame.

>>713252698
20M is cheap as fuck, if that's real they got fleeced

>>713252698
that's only the equivalent of less than 300k copies

>>713252865
lmao no, it only hit that point because of the Vengeance port. If that didn't exist then it would not be anywhere near it, the previous sales was literally only 10k

>>713252865
>Superstars
it's a good game, stop falling for memes

>>713251230
The JRPG aspect in the first was already wearing thin towards the end of the first game and no one wants to play a mainline Yakuza game set in America.

>>713252994
Wouldn't SMTVV be counted as a seperate game?

>>713251821
it goes on sale for like 20$ constantly

>>713253042
They put them together, makes the numbers look better

>>713253042
>Fiscal year 2022
Vengeance didn't even exist that year, its both base game and vengeance combined

>>713253124
>including remaster version
When did P5R get a remaster?

>>713252354
>>713252994
have you faggots considered that by 2024 (where the 10k comes from) vengeance had already been announced and marketing was in full swing
obviously people are just gonna wait a couple months for that instead of buying the old version

>>713252994
>NO! YOU HAVE TO COMPARE AN EXCLUSIVE TO A MULTIPLAT
What retardation is this? Especially when Vengeance replaced base V

>>713253160
It's referring to the multiplat release

>>713251860
It's a solid remake.
>>713251976
Persona 5 is really popular. Most of that 7mill probably haven't played another persona or SMT

>>713253160
The Xbox, PC, Switch poeta
>>713253179
No, bro. We have to shit up the thread crying about tendies not buying games even when majority of V and Vengeance sales were on Switch

>>713251230
A lot of modern gamers don't want 100 hour long games. The monetary value is there if you grab an 100 hour game for $50, but the time investment is becoming less worth it when everything is so padded.

>>713253224
>>713253324
Legit don't even remember that. I've always thought of P5R as a multiplat. Must have just memoryholed it.

>>713250925 (OP)
>SMTV: 2.11M
So what, is that just base SMT then?

>>713253179
Untrue. The Japanese fiscal year goes from april 1st to march 31st the next year. So FY2024/3 (the period where SMTV sold 10k) ended at March 31st 2024. Vengeance was announced in February, so that only accounts for the last month, but what about the other 11?

>>713251230
Appeal of yakuza series
>Absurd crime drama story set in a serious tone about family and duty
>Kiryu being a cold gigachad in the main story but a socially awkward kid in substories
>Japanese tier absurdist substories
>Visiting Japanese cities down to the smallest details

What Infinite Wealth offers
>Sick and dying Kiryu who is a shell of his former self, relying on none of his friends and family, but strangers.
>Boring story that goes nowhere. Ichiban's story didnt move a bit from chapter 1 to 12
>They showed the absurd sides in the story but is too shy/embarassed to push it further (shadow mall in hawaii, religious fanatics, Kiryu's super spy aspect that was in Gaiden)
>Go to Hawaii but everyone speaks/acts/is japanese. Its like they want to show American culture but half assed it.
>The minigames are crap, dondoko island is so bad, and sujimon is even worse.
>Over half the story is set in Hawaii, which nobody finds as exotic and appealing as Japan. So you get barely any Americana since everyone is Japanese, and barely and Japan when you are in Japan because most of the story is in Hawaii.

Its a mess. A half ass mess everywhere. Kiryu's part of the story should be action based, or at least have Majima, Saejima, Date, Akiyama and Daigo as his party members.

FOR FUCKS SAKE KIRYU ALREADY HAVE A PARTY! I hate this shit so much, I played all yakuza and this one is by far the worst.

>>713253465
No, the original SMTV's sales flatlined. it's combined, you can see in >>713253124

Why are sales figures considered business secrets, anyway?

>>713253616
Because companies don't want to admit when they're losing so hiding them all just becomes the norm.

>>713253616
They don't want 4chan making sales threads

>>713253659
Well that's still the case. These are ones they're proud of. You're not seeing P5 tactica or soul hackers 2 on this list

>>713251860
They should have remastered FES with QOL updates instead of a full remake. Now they’re gonna remake P4 and change the story to accommodate the Modern Audience.

>>713250925 (OP)
All appropriate numbers desu. TSR maybe over performed for how shit it is but it is Sonic

>>713253583
That does tend to happen when you announce an upgraded version and pull the original off the stores

>>713253751
see >>713253526

>>713251725
Maybe they'll fuck off with the eceleb shit going forward. Probably not, but I can hope

>>713253741
I don't actually think that is going to happen. I don't think they're going to change much but I also don't have any hope of it being good so I'm probably not going to buy it.

>>713253671
Maybe corpos aren't so bad after all.

>>713253616
It's not so much "secret", it's more that it will always get compared to the other products and whenever they don't reach the sale numbers with their next product, it would be an automatic precipitous fall in stock price from a majority of investors who are completely clueless about the end products and are only looking for "infinite growth".

>>713250925 (OP)
>japs got so buttblasted by 33 that they started coping by """leaking""" their numbers

>>713253721
>soul hackers 2
there's no space on the grid for the trillions it sold u retard

>>713253526
>The Japanese fiscal year goes from april 1st to march 31st the next year.
Except FY 2024 starts April 6, 2024 to march 2025 meaning that FY started after the announcement.

>>713251725
this is good though
I don't want it to become more mainstream

>>713252994
These numbers don't include vengeance. They don't include vanilla p5 either which is like 3 million at least

>>713253957
Nah. If that was true Infinite Wealth and P3 Reload wouldn't be counted. It's the year ending in 2024, not starting in 2024.

>>713253957
>falseflagging this hard

>>713253998
>Sega report says "Shin Megami Tensei V (Including Vengeance)
>anon says "these numbers don't include vengeance"
What did anon mean by this?

>>713254118
He's falseflagging you tard

>>713253616
Makes it harder to lie to investors

>>713254118
I might be retarded

>>713250925 (OP)
>SMTV with more sales despite coming out around 3 months after Reload
Mainline bros, we fucking won.

>Bad games sell bad
Whoah

>>713253289
>Most of that 7mill probably haven't played another persona or SMT
That's from across 6 years though

>>713254180

>>713251976
>2M doesn't sound like a lot of copies to me
It's the fastest selling title in the franchise. People let all the dick sucking P5 got confuse them to think that it was popular when it sold worse than DQ11, FFXV and Tales of Arise

>>713250925 (OP)
>P3 Reload: 2.07M
>SMTV: 2.11M
M O G G E D

>>713254194
You're reading the numbers wrong

>>713254426
>and tales of arise

Bullshit

>>713252402
>2M is pathetic for persona
On what fucking planet? 2M in under a year is great for Persona

>>713254426
Actually with these new numbers it means P5 has outsold all those games

>>713254426
>fastest selling
Are you still using these retarded metrics?
It's the first game in the franchise with simulatenous WW multiplat release.
You think Persona 5 wouldn't have sold faster in the same circumstances?

>>713254194
LETS FUCKING GOOOOO
does it include SMTV:V sales as well?

>>713254580
It’s more than ff7 rebirth

>>713254580
Those numbers are for Japan though anon

>>713254580
>under a year
It's 14 months

>>713254646
rebirth sold 3 mil in the first couple of months iirc

>>713254672
14 rounds to 10. That's under a year

>>713254624
Yes

>>713254724
based logic chad

>>713251230
On top of everything else mentioned, you're going to see series burnout. It's a long game that expects you to have played everything except Ishin.

>>713254713
No it didn't. SE never disclosed any numbers because they were so bad.

You guys are being retarded.
Here's a spreadsheet that was posted earlier.

>>713251230
Isn't that pretty good by Yakooza standards

>>713254983
yeah
7 was an outlier due to the RPG hype and 'you can start here' marketing
I'd bet only maybe 0 matches that

>>713254983
Yeah. It's outpacing 7

>>713254597
>You think Persona 5 wouldn't have sold faster in the same circumstances?
No? Especially since it released a year after it's JP one

>>713254916
>Royal selling pretty much over 1.5 million a year since the release of it on all platforms.
No damn wonder Atlus is scared shitless about showing anything about P6.

>>713251120
P5 is literally one of the biggest and most popular JRPGs of all time.

>>713255138
Lmao no

>Team Sonic racing: 3.5M
The fact that that broken piece of dogshit sold that much fills me with despair.

>>713255138
It sold less than FFXV

>>713255253
retard

>>713255273
Sonicfags buy anything with his name on it.

>>713250925 (OP)
P3 bros, we were robbed...
and P5 fans are all normalfags confirmed

>>713255325
FFXV's latest sales figure is 10 million. P5's is 10.4 million

>>713251120
The third semester is great and fixed how the original game falls off after the first arc and never reaches the same heights

>>713255332
Or Transformed was THAT GOOD people blindly bought the sequel.

>>713254916
So P3R didn't underperform by franchise standards

>>713252481
how many people got P5 ir P5R because of hype talk and deemed the game garbage and not playing beyond the first hour or two? Mist gamers still to this day are casual socialites who only play with friends or competitive pvp.

>>713255420
>P5's is 10.4 million
Cool lie bro

>>713255553
P5 sold 3.2 million. P5R sold 7.2 million
3.2 + 7.2 = 10.4

>>713255596
>combined sales

Where is Metaphor?

>>713255648
Yes. Just as P5 Royal is included for P5, so is FFXV Royal for FFXV :)

>>713255670
It sold 2 million in 6 months

>>713255670
On a separate page.

Honestly, studios/companies should be legally forced to post sale numbers
>inb4 But that would kill the entire industry
Good

>>713251860
Metaphor sold just as much as it in less the time

>>713255253
Bud its this this generation's FF7. I know it's hard to believe but Atlus is for gen alpha and younger zones what squares oft was for older zoomed and millennials

>>713253957
FYs are numbered by the year they end in, not the year they start in

>>713255787
And it's an infinitely better game and should have sold more

>>713251120
Alot of people playing royale for the first time

>>713255789
>its this this generation's FF7
I think thats FF7 REMAKE

>>713254580
these numbers are obviously false, unless it's just based on Japan-only physical-only data

>>713250925 (OP)
Stale news spamming autist bros? I thought Yakuza 8 sales were "Strong"?

>>713255930
I doubt a Yakuza game takes 400 million dollars to make.
They are all literally asset flips.

>>713251821
As always, you can emulate the Switch version.

>>713254916
what the fuck is persona 5 royal remaster? I thought royal was already a remaster, you're telling me they remastered a remaster?

>>713255789
>I know it's hard to believe
Maybe if you know fuck all about JRPGs, sure.
FF7 was "Anime: The Game" for the PS1 generation and Persona 5 is that for the PS3 generation.
>Alpha
Alpha doesn't really care about Persona 5. They are still in school themselves and hate it, don't idolize going to school in their free time. And to top it off, they already have their "Anime: The Game"... Genshin (and derivatives).

Square, meanwhile, is high huffing their own farts and chasing nostalgia money from people going through a midlife crisis or Game of Thrones several years after all the hype died off.

>Every Sonic game has outsold nearly every other Sega game
And yet /v/ will still say Sonic is a dead franchise.

>>713255921
Nice cope

>sega announces games didnt perform as well as they wanted
>real numbers leak
>theyre fine
Remember this when Capcom, Square, or any Japanese company says something didnt meet expectations. Its how Japs are

>>713250925 (OP)
Where is NGS?

>>713256169
they have to be false because we just got the real numbers, dummy

>>713251120
PC is king.

>>713253371
>100 hour long games
you mean cutscenes

>>713256143
Royal is an enhanced version of the base game. The remaster was a remaster of the royal version of the game.

but /v/ told me no one likes sonic and ita a dying franchise, how could this be possible?

>>713255067
I'm talking about P5 releasing simulateusly worldwide on multiple platforms

>>713250925 (OP)
>Team Sonic racing: 3.5M
Fucking what? I'm a sonicfag and I have trouble believing this.

>>713256191
The numbers are not fine, a brand spanking new budget IP like Expedition 33 can sell 3.3 million in a fraction of the time.

>>713256380
why is that? why would they make a big new sonic racing game like they're doing now if it wasn't a successful series?

>>713252354
Tendies only buy bing bing wahoo.
More news at 11.

>>713256408
are you ok anon

>>713250925 (OP)
it is very funny to me how many times companies, governments, courts all incorrect use Adobe Acrobat and think they've blotted something out but actually haven't. you would think it'd tell adobe something that their tools aren't very clear about what they're doing.

>>713256408
Guess who published the game in Japan :)

>>713256449
Guess I was under the impression that TSR was flop-adjacent, and that this new one was a course correction.

>>713256480
Meant to reply to someone else?

>>713255930
Yakuza was a series that was self sustainable in Japan alone, when the sales were sub-500K per game.
Anything else is a bonus.

These games are made on a yearly basis for a reason. They're actually cheap to make, after they got the motion capture tech and model scanning right. Also they have some top notch testing tech.

>>713256207
I glanced at the pdf rapidly and they don't mention phantasy star online even once.
It's dead, Jim.

>Frontiers only got a million more sales than their worst Sonic kart racing game
The utter state

>>713256528
hmm it only has 2647 reviews on steam, so I dunno where the fuck the sales came from. Even a really optimistic multiplier would only get it to like 200k on steam, and probably realistically closer to 100k

It must have done well on other platforms?

>>713251413
>Alignments in SMT

>>713256705
Sonic has enough brand recognition and family appeal that it's the kind of game a parent might buy for their kid

>>713254439
Bro, SMTV came out in 2021, the fact that P3R is about to surpass it in barely a year isn't something to be proud of

>>713251120
This might surprise you these games didn't use to sell amazingly outside of its core audience. A lot of you faggots bought it after the videos and people on twitter told you too. In the west look at how it lost to mafia 3

>>713251860
Lol thats not very good dude. 1m is fine but they're trying to appeal to zoomers and nu fags so its not great.

>>713252354
It sold what it needed at the start from the looks of things. Not every game is going to legs

>>713255837
it did pretty well for a new IP

So, like, are these for JPies only or does it also count NA sales too?

>>713257232
worldwide

>>713250925 (OP)
Those aren't bad numbers, I don't see what's wrong here. Even Sonic Superstars seems to have done well, despite the quality of the game.

>>713257461
OP doesn't call the numbers bad so I have no idea what point you're trying to nake.

>>713257562
Keep seething.

>>713257461
The only one you can argue for doing poorly is Yakuza 8 due to all the marketing and shilling Sega put into along with all the celeb/eceleb cameos and roles in the game.

>>713257562
Not the OP, there just seems to be the implication that Sega was embarrassed to show the sales numbers by trying to hide them in the report.

>>713251860
Nah, it's a good game.

>>713253554
>>Absurd crime drama story set in a serious tone about family and duty
Yes yes, thats literally every japanese media ever released. We are tired of the same old stupid tropes.

>>713257967
No well, publishers/devs not releasing exact sale numbers is mostly standard in quarterly and financial reports.

>>713256868
>about to surpass it
>Sold 100k less last year
M
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G
E
D

>>713258136
It doesn't help that the people at P-Studio somehow thought The Answer was worth $35.

>>713252354
>Why did switch players stopped buying it?
1) It ran like dog shit
2) Vengeance was announced in February 2024, and because Atlus are kikes they offered no upgrade or discount if you already owned the original SMTV, so there was no reason to buy the game until VV came out.

>>713258193
I never finished it and never will. I love P3 and far as I'm concerned it ends on the rooftop.

>>713258193
I wouldn't install the Answer if they gave it to me for free.

>>713250925 (OP)
>infinite wealth: 1.66M
>P3 Reload: 2.07M
>Sonic Superstars 2.43M
>Sonic Frontiers: 4.57M
>SMTV: 2.11M
>P5 Royal: 7.25M
>Team Sonic racing: 3.5M
Tortanic Memes aside, these are actually great numbers for how cheap they are to get made. Especially when you compare them to their contemporaries.
Infinite Wealth deserves more sales. I'm dying though to compare the numbers with Yakuza Pirate.

>>713258136
Last year was when vengeance was released giving it a huge bump in sale numbers so it's hard to say where the sale trend for both games is really going.

>>713250925 (OP)
Now we see why Sega considers Total War an integral part of their lineup. It has pretty decent legs and the DLCs aren't even on here and they sell pretty well.

>>713256408
>a brand spanking new budget IP like Expedition 33 can sell 3.3 million in a fraction of the time.
literal Balatro-tier anomaly

>>713256408
what a fucking retard lmao
>every game should be a wildly unusual breakout success HURR DEEE DURRRR

>>713255808
Meaning that 10k is from 2024 to 2025.

>>713258426
do we have development budgets? how cheap were these to get made?

>>713258716
Shadow generations was the first time since Unleashed a Sonic game got a budget.

>>713258656
If you are talking about smtv, the 10k sales is from april 2023 to march 2024.

>>713251230
Because LAG is a retarded series. You need tonplay like 10 fucking 60 hour games minimun to get caught up. They all have the same fucking map again and again, 10 fucking games (and spin offs) and they keep reusing the same fucking place
>bro the fanbase loves seeing it change
Ok, then the core fanbase isn't buying the games then i guess.
Makes literally zero sense to start playing the games now. LAG should have been like Final Fantasy where every game is uts own thing with new characters and a new city, instead we get a "city" that takes maybe 2 minutes to go from one end to the other, used across 10 games + spin offs. Now Sega is surprised people dont care? Not to mention that got started put as a series of games with some jokes but overall somber tone has been flanderized into clown behavior.

>>713258817
That would be the 2023 FY.

>>713253124
Honestly I think its being understated here how surprisingly well the tail-end sales for alot of these games seem to have. Sure on paper some of numbers on individual titles do not seem particularly impressive on it's own, consider the fact that that in 2025 Sega was able to push out a total of just shy of 6.9mil sales in games that have all come out in years prior (with the exception of SMTV Vengence which really just had the Vengeance release act as a lifeline for it.) I think some anons are focusing too much on the individual numbers without considering how it seems like Sega is producing a pretty back catalog that's leading to some solid passive income when considering that none of these games had anything close to the same level of budget you see poured into something like an SE or Capcom AAA release.

>>713256705
Sega does their majority best numbers on console still. To compare with Steam numbers to the numbers we have in OP
>Infinite Wealth 600.0 k by SteamSpy compared to 1.66M Sold
>P3 Reload 1.09 M by SteamSpy compared to 2.07M Sold
>Sonic Superstars 316.0 k by SteamSpy compared to 2.43M Sold
>Sonic Frontiers 515.0 k by SteamSpy compared to 4.57M Sold
>SMTV 227.0 k by SteamSpy compared to 2.11M sold
>P5 Royal 2.07 M by SteamSpy compared to 7.25M
>Team Sonic Racing 363.0 k by SteamSpy compared to 3.5M sold

So Steam Charts aren't necessarily an absolute correct way to learn if a game flopped and shitted or shined, it can be a good indication of trends. And really, that's the more important number to look for.

>>713250925 (OP)
Long horror beyond human comprehension is long

>>713253371
Did old school gamers do? I remember regular action games were way shorter. RE4 took me 24 hours to beat and i took my time exploring and taking in the ambience. JRPGS were long aka 40 hours.
Yakuza has zero excuses for taking in 100 hours to beat.

>>713258716
>do we have development budgets?
I don't have the numbers on hand, but Sega does occasionally post R&D numbers on their Fiscals. And Sega has admitted that the main reason Like A Dragon deving goes so fast is they reuse assets, which some companies like say Square-Enix or Nintendo don't like to do.

>>713250925 (OP)
i want a cute japanese to gf to walk to the konbini with...

>>713253371
Did they ever? Having so many campaign 100 hour games is a pretty new thing, most jrpg campaigns were like 40hrs, 60hrs was considered long. One of the DQs is infamous for being super long back in the day and it was 100hrs. I dont think people really ever wanted 100 hour campaigns. But yeah if i hear a game is 100 hours long i dont go wow so much game, i just go wow it must padded as f, ill skip it.

>>713251120
It's not just Royale, it's combined sales with the original

>>713259412
it's royal and royal remaster, not including p5

>>713254916
Considering that Infinite Wealth & Gaiden were made practically at the same time, that's pretty good numbers

*saves your company from dying*
Imagine if they didn't change the design and told the fans to kick sand.

>>713250925 (OP)
>Team Sonic Racing
>3.5 million
There's no fucking way that's true.

>>713259235
there was a mindset going around that people want $1 per hour spent at least to feel like they were getting value, and thus game length bloated as prices increased.

I did not care for SMTV. It insists upon itself.

>>713250925 (OP)
I thought Sonic on par with Mario, but these numbers are a bit underwhelming.
How did Mario Wonder outsell all those Sonic games combined?

>>713259919
Tendies have no taste.

>>713254580
>first week vs subsequent sales ratio that extreme back in the 5th and 6th gen
>p5 selling less than a million copies total
Utter nonsense, none of this is true.

>>713259731
it does seem weird. Maybe bargain bin switch game sales or something

>>713259439
>royal and royal remaster
What?

>>713260048
it would be specifically the famitsu data, you could probably check to see if it's real. In any case it would be a subset of a subset of total sales, so not particularly representative

>>713259412
>It's not just Royale, it's combined sales with the original
Anon, these sales are for the Jap fiscal years starting April 2019 and ending March 31 2025.
Royal came out in Oct 2019, 3 years after the OG game. They could count OG sales from those few months as well but it's obviously going to be pennies compared to what Royal did in this time frame.

These threads always get the most hilarious comments.
>Oh, this only sold 2 million copies. Lmao what a gigaflop, GTA 5 has sold over 200 million.

>>713260384
it's almost like dumb fucking retards who don't play games and jerk themselves off to Steam CCU numbers are actually low IQ subhumans

>>713260067
Sega all star games are really popular.

>>713255253
As shit as it is, it's a big name with a bigger following

>>713260086
there's a royal remaster

>>713250925 (OP)
massive surprise to me that P3R hasn't sold a few million more, are P5 babies really that averse to trying out other entries in the series? it reminds me of the nier replicant remake having very lukewarm sales even after automata's success bought huge name recognition to the IP.

>>713260624
There's a remaster of a remaster?

>>713260853
P3R sales are probably depressed by the fact that everyone could just play it for free on day 1 on gamepass

if you were discerning at all with regards to price it seems like the obvious answer to play for free rather than shell out $90 or whatever it is they were charging

>>713260927
yes. p5 released 2016, p5 the royal released 2019, p5 royal remaster released 2022

>>713254580
anons don't know what profitable is these days.
They heard that nu Zelda sold another 20+ million copies and that AAAA game was a disappointment because it was a few millions behind expectation.

Meanwhile an indie games turn a profit starting at like 10k sales and the thousand smaller japanese games like Ys or Atelier are happy when their newest title breaks series sales records with like 300k sales.

>>713260853
>Sold more than P5 and P5R within the same time period
>lukewarm

>>713251230
Catch up is CANCER for jrpgs. The good thing Final Fantasy did was to make every game its own story/world (not counting sequels).
Trails and Xenoblade face the same, too many games to keep up

Is this both physical and digital?

>>713260384
We're used to Nintendo's sales figures, where even niche IPs sell millions.

>>713261039
That's what Judgment should've been. Maybe they're trying to make something new with their new game

>>713261132
>Tendie mods ban popular indie games that sell more and tendies are still seething at rockstar
Lmao, used my ass

>>713251860
it has fuuka in it of course it sold well

>>713261132
what's the google sheet that keeps track of the million seller figures again

>>713250925 (OP)
Based Sega these are some damn good numbers across the board

>>713261000
P5 being one of the most popular JRPGs ever would have you think that P3R would have a flying start, since the heavy lifting is done in regards to the popularity of the IP. It's just strange to me that its sales are still within that niche/core audience area and millions who have bought P5 didn't show up again. Obviously I'm not expecting that it should sell 7.5m day 1, just more than what it already has by now.

>>713251860
It is the only way I'll ever play P3 ever again, and I'm certain that makes you upset.

>>713252354
the game ran like it didn't want to live you can say it shouldn't really matter since it's a turn based rpg but when something is animating at 5 fps hardly 2 feet away from you it makes it real hard to stomach it i quit playing like 2 hours in and just decided to wait a year or so until it got ported to anything else

>>713255434
Third semester and Maruki did not live up to the hype. Royal also made dungeon crawling way too fucking easy.

>>713261132
not really that many niche titles, but did Lugi's Mansion really sell 14mio copies?
I thought Arms was a flop.
Didn't expect expected Pikmin, Captain Toad and Big Brain to sell as many copies.

>>713261221
>indie games
like Palworld and Genshin?
why should they endorse cheap copies where one is unfinished and the other is a gacha with predatory monetization

>>713261786
anyone who actually cared probably just played it on gamepass. That service has like 40M people on it or something ridiculous like that. Why would any of those 40M people buy the game when they already have it for free on their subscription service?

>>713251860
Worth the $70 for the ending cutscene alone.

>>713255138
pokemon you retard

>>713261919
>not really that many niche titles
Metroid is more niche than Sonic and it sold better (comparing the 2D games)

>>713261786
I personally skipped it because I played 3 like four times. I really don’t need to play it again. Of the list I bought SMTV and P5, that’s it

>>713261786
>P5 being one of the most popular JRPGs ever

>>713262151
Sonic isn't really popular in the real world, it's just that the autistic fans of the franchise are very loud

>>713262296
Mario lost.

>>713262173
Yeah? Where's the lie?

>>713262296
Sounds like Metroidfags lmao

>>713262173
yes, and I say that as someone who thought the game was decent. recognising the popularity of something has nothing to do with invoking quality

>>713262380
All three versions of P5 sold less that DQ 11 and FF XV and the reason why the number is so fluctuated is because P5R final release was on steam it never released on all platforms concurrently

>>713262296
Yes the fuck he is, Sonic is arguably top 3 most recognizable vidya characters

>>713261919
>Genshin
The fuck are you bringing a fucking gacha?
I'm talking about Terraria, Minecraft, Stardew etc etc, threads your mods ban
Even some Hollow knights threads were deleted just for brutally mogging Metroid lmao

>>713262465
still Dread sold better than 2D Sonic

>>713261000
>Multiplat released simultaneously worldwide sold the same in the same time period as a PS3/4 exclusive that spent half of that period being locked to Japan
FTFY
Why even post if you won't even try to correctly represent the situation?

>>713262539
Well apparently it's popularity is overstated

>>713262567
I don't see how this debunks P5 being ONE of the most popular JRPGs of all time. ONE OF.

>>713262568
why don't Sonic fans buy the games then?

>>713261132
>where even niche IPs sell millions
The vast majority of that list is titles that are part of the Pokemon, Mario or Zelda franchises.

This denial about P5 being popular is weird to me. How many other JRPGs sell over 10 million? These days Final Fantasy is lucky to not stall out at 3.5 million.

>>713262603
Anon...P5 was multiplat

is it true most of SMT V Vengeance's sales came from the Switch version?

>>713262296
Even my fucking grandma knows who Sonic is.

>>713262670
Because they are known to be shit and have had that rep for decades. The character still endures

>>713255253
It's sold so much and it keeps being played and sold consistently like Baldur's Gate 3. People also realize they are getting a game that will give them dozens of hours of content when they are buying P5:R right now, so it's an easy sell.

>>713262603
P5 was on the PS4 and PS3 also this was a year and a half after it's original release in April 2016

>>713261786
>2mio for a remake is niche

>>713262151
It sold more than Metroid though??
Even if it was true there is only Sega to blame

Funny that you mention Metroid because Metroid Prime Remaster sold less than P3 Reload as well.
I wouldn't call Metroid niche. We just didn't get a new major 3D title in over 15 years.
FE, Animal Crossing used to be niche back then and Xenoblade only released its first game.

>>713262729
Sales by platform is not in that report as far as I know.

>>713262594
And HK sold better than yours. Difference is Sonicfags won't ban the more popular competition

>>713262729
It definitely sold more on consoles than on pc, and very little of those sales were on xbox, so ps + switch is likely the bulk of sales.

>>713252354
Switchlets don't support 3rd parties

>>713262695
>This denial about P5 being popular is weird to me.
How is it denial? You're literally saying that P5 across all it's releases in 9 years sold on par with FFXV's single release

>>713250925 (OP)
>SMT sold like shit when it was switch exclusive on second year

>>713262695
P5 was so popular it even reached some of my friends who usually tend to look down on Japanese games or anime in general. It's the essential babies first JRPG.

Dreamcast 2, when?

>>713250925 (OP)
Those seem like pretty good numbers on the sonic games

>>713262776
>Metroid Prime Remaster sold less than P3 Reload as well
we don't really know since the sales of MPR are from just from a few weeks after its release and were never updated

>>713262912
Yeah cool horseshit bro

>>713262729
>>713262837
Based on Japan's Famitsu sales data on it that would appear to be the case. Opening week was something crazy like 5x as many numbers on Switch as PS5. PS4 version wasn't retail so that's not counted thobeit.

>>713250925 (OP)
Persona GODS fucking won

>>713262875
Bro what, there's a royal edition of FFXV. That's also not finished lol

>>713262582
I thought you were talking about Nintendo itself.
Nobody bans Terraria, Minecraft threads, maybe try not to make the most low effort rage bait threads. Those games are on Nintendo consoles anyway

hehe, funny how Sonic autists get so offensive

>>713250925 (OP)
>Sonic Frontiers: 4.57M
yeah bullshit
no one played this shit

P5 is definitely the Horizon Zero Dawn of JRPGs, everyone has heard of it but never played it

>>713261786
P3R was the first time that they have changed the art direction, music, and the voice actors for everything; many fans of the old P3 and P3 FES didn't buy it at the new standard price of $70, and most who did reported that it felt too much like P5 and strayed too far from the original to really be considered a good representation of it.
Since P4 lovers are even more autistic and love their voice cast, I doubt their remake will do any better than 3's.

I wish we could have FES ported to modern systems without much besides resolution increases and 60 fps, but that's too much to ask for...

>>713263043
Why are tendies always so insecure about sonic?

>>713262875
We can see P5R is continuing to sell a million and a half per year. What is your metric for popular that that doesn't count?

>>713263049
I bought it twice, for PS4 and for PC when it eventually came out. P5 that is those horizon games look garbage

>>713263031
You really think Royal Edition sold that well?

Sonic Racing CrossWorlds is about to sell like hot cakes

>>713263049
I've heard people who never play RPGs let alone JRPGs talk about buying P5 to check it out and liking it, though they usually never end up finishing because they move on to something else.

>>713263049
Sounds like totk with its 2 posters

I love these threads, seeing faggots on here seethe after claiming Sega and Sonic are dead has been hilarious

>>713263218
>no Jack Frost racer
DOA
Joker is cool doe

>>713263126
>We can see P5R is continuing to sell a million and a half per year.

Because they literally combine both versions.

>>713263218
Will tendie mods ban the threads like they did with CTR?
>>713263297
Nintendies are too insecure
Surprised they didn't use the bot argument yet

>>713263342
literally what does that matter?

>>713263049
I swear /v/ has the most retarded takes I've seen on this website

You faggots need to accept you won't get super impressive numbers anymore because people are moving to PC. People who bought P5 on PS4 bought it on pc too, but if they have a pc there is no reason to buy a PS4 versions anymore

>>713263112
tendies and sonic go in pair for 2 decades now

>>713263390
It means it's inflated

>>713263391
He's not wrong given the amount of people who haven't finished it and the fact that the subsequent spinoff have flopped

>Segashills think these are good numbers
kek, almost bankrupt tier

>>713250925 (OP)
There are people thinking those are bad numbers?
Given the budget of those games, this seems quite profitable. It is not like Assassin's Creed or Final Fantasy XVI.

>>713263563
Are you that smtvtroon still seething at P5 popularity?

>>713263612
>kek, almost bankrupt tier
quick, what else does SegaSammy do?

>>713263485
Do you really believe royal would sell any significant number of copies the same year as the remaster when it sold just 350k the previous fiscal year? Or that people would buy both royal and the remaster at the same time?

>>713263485
Bro the argument is Persona 5 is an extremely popular JRPG and perhaps the most popular JRPG. If anything that people liked it enough to buy Royal after buying regular then thats a testament to its popularity.
Additionally, you've got no proof that they are combining versions. This data in the OP is from a few months before P5R was released. it seems entirely probable that they just didn't include P5 basic because the sales would've been tiny.

>>713263218
I can see why the game is getting so much post launch support now, the pre order numbers on PS5 and Steam have been good and we're still three months away

>>713263625
what are the budgets of those games?

>>713263625
If your game doesn't sell at least 10 millies, it bombed.

>>713263612
>Sega will die anytime soon
Tendies still in denial lmao

>>713250925 (OP)
SegaChads just keep winning god damn

>>713263342
>both versions
You mean Royal (PS4) and Royal (Multiplat)? They're the same fucking game, anon. Still selling over a million per year even years after the fact is insane legs for any game.

>>713263707
>>713263218
I buyed her.

>>713263612
Bruh

>>713263648
>popularity
Can we please move the fuck on? Please?

>>713263697
>Additionally, you've got no proof that they are combining versions.
See
>>713254916
>including Remaster

I don't care about brand wars, and I can just say that this thread is just full of Segafans cope. I wouldn't be surprised if someone buys the company soon, maybe for the better

>>713263774
That Anit-Sega fag who always posts that picture of Bandai's building in Japan picture must have killed himself by now

>>713250925 (OP)
>sega mistakenly hires tranny for their community manager
>sales go down 3000 percent over 2 years and counting
never change sega

>>713263885
Sure thing Nigger

>>713263881
Why did you post P5 Tactica when we're talking about P5R?

I'm one of those 3.5 million that got duped into buying team sonic racing

>>713263881
Oh so you're a giga retard who thinks Royal(ps4), Royal(Switch), and Royal(PC) are all different versions that should be separate? Sorry bro I was under the assumption you weren't fucking stupid.

I hope shareholders knew about these low numbers, otherwise Sega is finished. kek

>>713263774
HOLY

>>713250925 (OP)
>>713251860
biggest crime here is how well P3 Reload sold.
>Sold less than Sonic Team Racing
>Sold less than Frontiers
>Sold less than Superstars
>Didn't even make it to 3mill
Reload is not worth that price tag on it's own. If you mod it maybe.
But you don't even get the answer for free and you can just get P3FES on a emulator.

>>713264095
>>713263774

>>713264137
But P3FES doesn't have Raytracing it's obviously inferior

>>713264070
So the numbers are inflated then

>>713264342
no

>>713264042
I thought P5 was popular

>>713264342
By your own logic FFXV didn't sell 10 million because it released on different platforms.

>>713264446
That's /v/'s logic

>>713264342
Obviously not, because its entirely reasonable to bundle those numbers together. They are the same fucking game. If I modded in switch prompts to the PC version and fucked with the graphic settings you'd be unable to tell the difference. Your line of reasoning is just fucking stupid.

>>713259235
What DQ game was that? Was going thru the games because I wanted to try em but i was thinking of just playing the ones that interested me. Going thru 4 right now and I'm gonna play 5, 7, 8, maybe 9 then 11

>>713258961
Could you get anymore hyperbolic?

>>713264628
>They are the same fucking game
Not according to Sega>>713254916

>>713264667
VII, it was truncated in the 3DS remake

>>713264667
The PS1 version of 7 iirc. I think the DS version kinda cuts down on it.

>>713250925 (OP)
>mistakenly reveals
This is not even English. You can "accidentally" reveal something, you can even reveal something by mistake, but you can't "mistakenly reveal" something.
Who the fuck is responsible for this shit.

>>713262771
Persona 5 released on PS3 and PS4 in September 2016 in Japan only. Didn't come outside of Japan until April 2017. Sold 2 million in 14 months.
Persona 3 Reload released on PS4, PS5, Xbox One, Xbox Series, Steam and Microsoft Store simultaneously worldwide. Sold 2 million in 14 months.

Consider stopping being retarded.

>>713264413
P5 is popular, not P5 spin-offs.
>>713264762
Actually, yes, according to Sega. It's why they're counted together.

>>713264137
I bought it 40% off 4 months after launch it was very much worth it. If I was to recommend P3R to someone else, I would tell them not to play the answer at all and instead just watch the cutscenes on YouTube. 30+ extra that starts you all over again with no new mechanics, no fucking thanks.

>>713252379
Lmao. I'm just getting into the series now and catching glimpses of the remake bitching is hilarious. Anons will literally play a shittier, less feature-rich game if some jpegs told them that the hallways weren't dark enough.
I doubt these people are even playing the game and are just trying to gatekeep that game they played as a kid.

>>713265026
>they're the same game
>hence why we have to point it that it's a combination of different masters

>>713261893
>Third semester and Maruki did not live up to the hype.
Maruki was the best part of P5.
>Royal also made dungeon crawling way too fucking easy.
this might be a controversial opinion but i like Persona being piss easy. i just want to get back to the story faster, i have SMT for a better and challenging version of Persona gameplay

>>713265001
>Sold 2 million in 14 months
>>713262603
>December 2017

>>713262729
>>713262837
>>713262997
Base game obviously on Switch but Vengeance was definitely on PC

>>713254582
what? didn't XV sell 10 mil?

>>713265001
Persona 5 was released on two of the most popular platforms and sold 2 million copies in a year and a half

>Persona 3 R sold the most on PC and was for free on one platforms and sold 2 million in a year

>>713254582
>P5 R PS4 - 5 MILLION
>FF XV PS4 - 8 MILLION
>DQ 11 PS4 - 6 MILLION

>>713251225
why would sales numbers include free copies

>>713258258
>Vengeance was announced in February 2024
That doesn't make sense then, if its Fiscal year 2024 (meaning its from March 2023 to March 2024) then Switchfags wouldn't have a reason to buy it for only 1 months.
What about the previous 11 months? Only 10k sales for 11 months?

>>713265508
p5 R != P5

>>713265202
I was under the impression that Maruki posed an actual moral or ethical quandary when it turns out he's just a straight up villain with no ambiguity. He really fell flat for me once I actually got to the new semester. Also, calling it a new semester is beyond misleading. It's just a new dungeon.
The life sim stuff in Persona is only interesting to me for how it interacts with the RPG dungeon crawling aspect. In vanilla P5 I did absolutely everything I could to stretch out a single palace dive as far as I could. I wouldn't quit until I was completely and utterly out of SP and out of options to avoid combat. By contrast in Royal I was able to get through almost every palace in one day without too much trouble. The Will Seeds are way too much of an SP free meal and I also think they made it easier to avoid combat.

>>713258054
Speak for yourself.
If I didn't want Japanese stories I'd just go play a non-Japanese game.

>>713251225
>free to play on gamepass

>>713256163
>dead franchise
That'd be Crash aka Orange Sonic aka Sonic's Ass.

>>713264667
In the ps1 version of DQ7 it's like 2 hours before you have a battle. The gametime is also partially inflated by Zoom not being functional in 60% of the game and you having to do much more manual backtracking than is typical.

>>713266349
surely they can do better than the old anime salaryman trope

>>713250925 (OP)
>infinite wealth: 1.66M
I fucking knew it. I've been calling the game dog shit that might have killed the series and I get met with retards here who tell me I was filtered and the dog shit Hawaii location is actually great and Infinite Wealth was the best selling entry. God being right feels amazing.

>>713251976
>2M doesn't sound like a lot of copies to me
Take the budget and ALTUS's size into consideration. It's a good number of sales.

>>713254916
> team sonic racing
I thought they game was trash.

>>713266590
you say it dog shit but it sell like new delhi hot shit bro

>>713256143
>what the fuck is persona 5 royal remaster?
It's the October 2022 release on all platforms.

P5X is about to make them a lot of money too

>>713267195
what in the fuck are you even trying to say

>>713250925 (OP)
>However, due to the way the PDF file is formatted, simply highlighting the page reveals the presence of text, which can be copied and pasted.
Some poor intern is getting fired

>>713267323
>negative canthal fold pigeon toed anime ho

>>713253554
I agree with all your points but you forgot
>New Game+ gated behind $20 DLC

>>713267463
that level of insane incompetence means he is probably some boomer or a boomers nepo baby.

>>713261132
>Kirby outsold the best-selling Purseowner game in the entire series.

>>713251120
You have to understand 6th gen is ancient for modern gamers. There are people who liked P5, but would never go back to play P3 and P4. That's the primary audience remakes are made for.

>>713267323
Can you romance in it?

>>713268404
I believe so.

clair obscure bros I though the people wanted more turn-based JRPGs ?
why are Persona 3, Yakuza, and SMT not selling?

>>713251976
>2M doesn't sound like a lot of copies to me.
Just depends on the budget. If you're wasting 200mil on development like Veilguard, then 2mil sales is a huge flop. But remastering a game and adding in a few bells and whistles can be done for dirt cheap, 1 mil give or take. 2 mil copies at $70 minus a 30% distribution cut comes out to $98 mil in gross revenue.

>>713268404
Mhmm

>>713250925 (OP)
I think they need to sell a lot more to go even on the hyena game.
Are the Etrian HD numbers somewhere in there aswell?
Im really interested in how well that sold.

>>713250925 (OP)
Retarded japs

>>713268995
Persona 3 is a full remake not a remaster. Still not a development hell AAA money furnace, but not a totally free asset flip either

>>713251225
Game Pass is not free

Uh… chat…. Where is Etrian Odyssey? Where is it

>>713269186
Hyenas got written of as a tax return.
They didn't lose anything on it.

>>713267323
it's probably around 2 mill now

>>713251976
It was released day 1 on Gamepass and still got 2 million sales.

>>713250925 (OP)
I'm both surprised that Sonic is selling better than I figured and that Yakuza isn't, or at least not as well as I would've figured. I thought Yakuza had broken into the mainstream.

>>713263218
Seeing Sega Miku just made my sad that Sega killed Project Diva

>>713268014
I'm not paying P3 cause it has dog shit story and characters, it has nothing to do with the old graphics.

>>713256298
Sonic will never be a dying franchise as long as the cure to autism does not exist.

>>713270241
mainstream compared to where it was at previously. Didn't expect to see 7 almost hitting 3 mil sales

>Superstars sold 1.81m for FY24
>Sold another 0.6m for FY25 so far
Even just the 2024 numbers alone are great. Why did SEGA say the game underperformed? What the hell was their sales forecast for it? 2 million? For the price and the time frame they were dropping it on, I would have forecasted 1 million. Is SEGA as retarded as Square?

>>713250925 (OP)
Good to see SMT still high but sad that Vengance is not there. It's so much better than P3 reload.

>>713273236
Sonic Frontiers did 3m. I believe that was what they wanted to sell. Truth is they might've if Wonder didn't come out.

>>713262084
40m subscribers means nothing. Microsoft was boasting that 4m people played Indiana Jones. Where's the other 36m? Most of the people on GamePass don't seem to even be playing games.

>>713273482
Vengeance is included in SMTV's numbers.

>>713250925 (OP)
Phantasy Star Online 3 dream is dead

>>713273236
They probably expected a huge launch from mania fans

>>713273506
I doubt it. Without Wonder, I would see it clearing 2 million, but it definitely wouldn’t hit 3 million. Even 2.5 million would be a stretch. I think if they had priced it at $40, they would have easily cleared 2 million even with Wonder.

>>713273506
I think Sega releases some of their Sonic games alongside Mario on purpose since the whole Mario vs Sonic mentality still gets some easy marketing. Superstars might've sold worse if it couldn't piggyback off of Wonder's marketing.

>>713273775
By April 2028, Sonic Mania was reported to have sold over 1 million units. Game came out in August. Superstars eclipsed that easily.

>>713273864
It's good counter programming for people who want a platformer but don't have a Switch. They can get "Mario at Home". That's probably why they're not moving CrossWorlds' release date. A lot of retarded Sonic fans insist SEGA should delay it so it doesn't compete with World, but World would have been out for months at that point, and CrossWorld is going to be out on every other platforms. Sonic fans are honestly retarded.

>>713273746
pso with a chao garden

The coping since these numbers were leaked has been great, always a good time to see /v/ being fucking wrong again about something

>>713250925 (OP)
Nice! Looks like they can budget for a new Project Diva game! haha......

>>713274927
And what perse was /v/ wrong about?

>>713274036
Maniabros.......I thought we were the savior of the franchise

>>713275165
...haha...nice one, anon... Now go back to ProSeka.

>>713256163
/v/tendo is always wrong

>>713275369
Yes. On way to play more... gatcha...yeah....

>SMT outsold persona
We're so back

>>713275723
SO BACK, BABY! WOOO

>>713275879
my wife Agrat

>>713276170
My favorite of the 4. Even though left has the best chest

>>713275723
>>713275879
>2 year head start
>needed the Vengeance port that hit all the other platforms just to hit 2 million plus
>but just barely above Persona 3 Reload
>would have stayed at around above 1 million sales and stayed there seeing that pathetic 10k for 1 fiscal year
is this a shitpost? or just delusional? Guarantee by next year Persona 3 Reload would outsell SMT V already.

>>713275204
That Metaphor and P3R flopped.

>>713276293
Persona babby cope

>>713276351
I'm a facts kind of guy, i'm not the one coping

>>713250925 (OP)
>SMTV: 2.11M
>P5 Royal: 7.25M
Maybe they will invest in a scriptwriter for SMTVI?

>>713258796
Shadow Generations isn't exactly a large game, and the Sonic half is also fairly basic for a remaster. All things considered, the project was likely made off the standard game budget Sonic Team is used to working with.
Frontiers' sequel (and I'm guessing Crossworlds) will be the the first entries with a significantly larger budget.

>>713275204
Sega and Sonic dying

>>713276527
I hope so. If they gave a decent enough story to SMTV and a lot more environmental variety it would be damn near perfect.

>>713275238
It was always the Movies and hell maybe even Frontiers to a degree, Classicfags were in denial

>>713263365
nowadays like 95% of all sanic autists are all tendies, what are you on about

>>713267153
You'd be surprised how many people bite on the bargain bin titles or the deep discounts on digital storefronts. There a reason the silent majority is called a majority for a reason.

>>713263218
Feels Good Mane

>>713254289
>That's from across 6 years though
Yea but look at how well it maintains sales. Much better than any other SMT game.

>>713259695
Sega's lucky Paramount was willing to delay the movie and change the design. I don't believe Sega actually holds full creative control over the movies (probably due to some typical Hollywood loophole when the film rights were sold from Sony), hence why the original gremlin design was a thing in the first place.

>WHY DID TSR SELL SO MUCH WTF?!
Friendly reminder that there's a bundle with Mania that probably bloated those numbers.

>>713277707
Paramount is lucky too. They have no kids franchises anymore. Transformers keeps flopping. The new TMNT movie was a dud. Halo Paramount + show failed to spawn a franchise they could milk. They're coasting off of Tom Cruise and Sonic right now.

Sonic saving 2 companies at once. That's the power of autism.

>>713277730
A shame Mania's numbers aren't included. I don't think we've ever found out how much it sold, exactly.
Although I guess it doesn't really matter since the game was made on a shoestring budget. Just selling a single million would have net Sega a pretty profit.

>>713278071
Paramount holds Sonic on a high pedestal, probably right next to Spongebob at this point as one of their strongest IP's

>>713278418
Spongebob is definitely strong for them when it comes to merch and other stuff but the films have been on a downward trend. Sonic is definitely their golden goose right now when it comes to movies.

>>713277730
That didn't come out until 2023 tho.

>>713278943
Sales have been pretty stable from 2023 and on

>>713250925 (OP)
>>P5 Royal: 7.25M
Shiet I thought persona is niche series.

>>713263825
Are those ranked by market cap, revenue, or profit?

>>713264938
Are you saying "mistakenly" isn't a word?

>>713274036
>by april 2028
what

>>713271065
It's Crypton that doesn't want to do another project diva game.

>>713250925 (OP)
These are pretty good numbers though?

>>713280372
2018. Sorry, force of habbit of writing 2 now.

Is Superstar really a piece of dogshit like everyone is saying?

>>713256528
sonic autists will lie constantly about the performance of certain games in the series to push their narrative
you've probably heard a billion times that TSR flopped because it got no post-launch support, when the reality is probably that sega said "wow, nice sales!" and moved along because they never intended to add to it

>>713250925 (OP)
Holy shit that's absolutely terrible for Infinite Wealth. I wonder how Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii did given those numbers, under 500k?

>>713267631
People underestimate how much damage this bad press did to the game. I decided not to buy it once I found out. I also skipped the ending DLC of P3R because it was 40 fucking dollars.

>>713251230
It was a fun gimmick to have Yakuza be a JRPG the first time, the second time it is less interesting. Also they can't even stick to Ichiban as the new protagonist and the Hawaii setting is too controversial

>>713256408
I guarantee you the budget of the average SEGA game is lower than Expedition 33's lmao

>>713251230
People dislike turn based for a franchise that exceled in real time beatem up action.

>>713282071
>Also they can't even stick to Ichiban as the new protagonist
They saw the middling sales for LaD and immediately brought back Kiryu to try and salvage it. Same as Capcom who didn't think Ace Attorney could carry itself without Phoenix and they were right.

>>713282235
the previous game sold much better
the reality is they should have stuck to it being an ichiban-focused refresh for people new to the series, instead of expecting them to play 9 other games

>>713282346
>They saw the middling sales for LaD
???
>and immediately brought back Kiryu to try and salvage it
Kiryu was in LaD
Just admit you didn't play these games

>>713282235
>>713282372
Nine other games, plus Judgment and Lost Judgment. The barrier for entry is too high. LAD was supposed to be a "new entry point" but they fucked that up by the second game. They expected newbies to play LAD, then play every other Yakuza game before they played IW. While they spaced out the releases enough to do this, it just isn't reasonable

>>713282372
>>713282485
>>713282346
Ichiban is also a protagonist much more popular in the US than in Japan, they want to actually play a male power fantasy, not some shonen protagonist who we're told can still "make it" in his mid 40s. Power of friendship stories are lame.

>>713262716
It wasn’t when it was released.

>>713281151
did someone say otherwise?

>>713282873
>who we're told can still "make it" in his mid 40
y-you can...

>>713282873
>Power of friendship stories are lame.
Hey fuck you pal

>>713281965
Those numbers really don't seem so bad for the series, 7 was an outlier.

>SMTV 2.11 mill
That's really good. Glad to see the one franchise I really like that hasn't gone to complete shit (yet) is doing well.

>>713281858
SEGA went out of their way to tell everyone Superstars underperformed. The only game they ever acknowledged as a success was Frontiers.

>>713251230
Honestly, this. >>713253036 I thought I wanted an Ichiban 2 up until the game came out.

>>713283826
>SEGA went out of their way to tell everyone Superstars underperformed
they also only reported 1 million for mania but that didn't stop anyone from pretending it outsold every other sonic game

>>713281534
Yes

>>713283717
Switch has like a 100 million install base, thats actually really bad lol

>>713284218
For SMT it's good.

>>713281534
no, classicfags are just seething that it wasn't mania 2 made by their glorious american overlords

>>713284218
who buys a switch for third party games?

>>713250925 (OP)
>>713254916
>over 10 million aggregate sales for Sonic
>doesn't even include Sonic x Shadow Generations, which sold 2 million in just 2 months after release
It's insane how profitable Sonic is now. Even the 2D sidescroller with mixed reception that looks like a mobile game broke 2.4 million sales, which is more than a lot of prior major 3D titles.

>>713250925 (OP)
this is a funny image, first time seeing it. also great numbers especially because fatlus rarely has price drops or they're something jewish like -10%.

>>713251120
I have purchased that game 4 times.
I apologize for nothing.

>>713276527
>scriptwriter
no. we don't need traditional storytelling in smt, smt4a was a mistake. instead they should focus on visual storytelling and memorable locations like they did in smt3, it's the only game I would put in the same tier as ICO and dark souls.

>>713284686
>It's insane how profitable Sonic is now
/v/ always points fingers to autistic manchildren, but it feels like people forget Sonic has always been popular with actual kids.
Like, my 6 year old nephew loves the Jim Carrey movies and plays the games on his Switch all the time thinking it's the coolest thing ever.

>>713250925 (OP)
>SMTV: 2.11M
not bad

I wonder if these double packs account for their sales numbers. They sure liked to stick Sonic Forces and Team Sonic Racing in these.

>>713284218
Install base doesn't mean much cause it doesn't directly correlate to sales. Vengeance launched on PS4+PS5+PC which has a combined install base of over 400 million, so it selling worse than just the base Switch version is even worse if you want to take that angle. Also Vengeance is also on Switch so without hard platform split data there's even less of a point here. SMT5 is selling well and that's only good news.

>>713281534
It's fine, but flawed. Mainly just some of the bosses and the soundtrack, which are things Sega could have fixed in a patch or Plus-esque expansion like Mania got, but Superstars never received proper post-launch support because it didn't sell as well as Frontiers in its early release window, an expectation that's still bizarre to me.
Gameplay-wise it plays exactly how a classic 2D Sonic game should (outside some very small issues that most won't even notice), and has some pretty good level design, the latter I was honestly surprised by. The only zone that kind of sucks is the final one.

I've heard the multiplayer aspect is basically broken, but the game plays like it was designed for singleplayer primarily, so whatever.

>>713285486
>instead they should focus on visual storytelling and memorable locations like they did in smt3,
No thanks, we already got that shit with SMTV, SMT needs a story again, I understand that you don't get if you only played SMT3 where there is no story or characters and is just a press turn simulator

>>713286583
>because it didn't sell as well as Frontiers in its early release window, an expectation that's still bizarre to me.
This is speculation, but it's possible Mania sold so well that they had overly high expectations for Superstars.

>>713288541
I'm pretty sure one of Sega's heads outright mentioned that Superstar's initial sales were disappointing in direct relation to Frontiers. They were probably thinking "Hey, the Sonic movie was popular, and Japanese audiences were actually interested in Frontiers for whatever reason, let's sell our 2-3 hour 2D platformer for sixty bucks and make even more money!"
And then Japanese audiences didn't show up because Genesis-era Sonic was practically a non-entity over there, resulting in the game selling significantly less at launch than they thought. Mario Wonder releasing at the same time didn't help either, which is another factor that same head talked about.

Of course, that head would later go on to say that Superstars (alongside some other games) actually did end up selling well around a year later. I imagine all that probably factored into SxS Gens being sold for only 50 bucks, despite the new content.

Broke

>>713251230
>Why did it do so poorly?

thats not bad by Yakuza Stardards, also, SEGA had the BRILLIANT idea to release the game 1 week apart from Persona 3 Reload

so the biggest competition for that JRPG that month, was another JRPG released by SEGA, genius

>>713262138
>one of

Illiterate retard.

>>713250925 (OP)
Now I know Redditors astroturf bad games and pretend they did well

>>713291078
>says retarded brown on 4chan pretending good sales are 'le bad' to not lose face after a year of spamming Steam Charts threads
L
O
L

>>713284686
Sonicfags are delusional.
>>over 10 million aggregate sales
yeah, but you should also aggregate the costs of every game, not just the profit
>>sold 2 million in just 2 months after release
That's not impressive at all, especially with a character as shilled as Shadow and during the release of the third film.

>>713250925 (OP)
>Sonic Frontiers: 4.57M
damn, pretty good for a scam

>>713291243
Whiter than you

>>713288512
first smt V is nowhere near smt3 in terms of visual language, atmosphere and memorable locations. locations feel handcrafted albeit minimalistic akin to killer7 with strong visual identity while in V everything is washed out and cheap with bunch of copy pasted assets, most time you surf on the sand and go past trees, broken roads, cars and vending machines, not sure if laziness, budget constrains or switch having shitty hardware caused this. it really shows that smt3 was made both with hashino and meguro unlike smtV which was made by B team. second smt3 does have a story with interesting characters where you chose your own path and ending. it's very philosophical and thought provoking, I went for true demon ending for gameplay reasons but If I got to reshape the world I would choose perfect stillness.

>>713252687
>>713257461
>>713283826
>>713284106
You’re all taking the quote out of context because the stupid headlines construed the original message. Sega said it’s a failure compared to frontiers because they wanted frontier numbers. It was a financial success, just not the amount of copies they wanted sold. It doesn’t help that Arzest is known to be a budget dev so they probably had a shoe string budget and it did make profit but they didn’t like it

>gg. I carried hard, not team

>>713291454
absolutely not, "saar". I have money in the actual stock market, not the pretend one you fucking retarded brown children post about all day long
Loving
Every
Laugh
You can't stop losing, every single day

>>713250925 (OP)
Sega acquiring Atlus is one of the smartest things I've seen a gaming company do so far in the 21st century

>>713291713
>Sega acquiring Atlus is one of the smartest things I've seen a gaming company do so far in the 21st century
What about angry birds

>>713291470
>second smt3 does have a story with interesting characters where you chose your own path
No, it doesn't and you don't even pick your own path, you pick the path of others, hell SMT3 doesn't even have the concepts of Chaos, Law and Neutral as SMT1 and 2, your character is Chaos alignment from the moment Lucifer transforms you and in the original release you weren't even able to join Lucifer in that path.

SMT needs a fucking good story specially in the case that you are only controlling one character + the demons instead of human companions.

>>713251230
YongYea being cast as Kiryu
Ichiban being sidelined in his own game
I get it that they wanted to fix the Kiryu farewell being absolute shit in 6 but they should gone all the way for fan service instead of never comitting to it

>>713291470
Every single memorable location in Nocturne is a backdrop, in V I can actually traverse the map freely.

>>713250925 (OP)
>infinite wealth: 1.66M
So Ichiban really is a flop, huh?