Thread 713260643

I can't think of a single game that would have succeeded if it weren't 'woke.'
They still would have been failures, even with better looking characters and no flags or pronouns.

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Welcome to your first day in the culture war where neither "side" of the argument has any say in the matter beyond what the BUY lol.

>>713260957
>neither "side" of the argument has any say in the matter beyond what the BUY lol
Not true. Reddit cuckcels have been screaming for a decade + to vote with your wallet. They have NEVER done this, and have always bought the games they hate because they are mindless consumers. Even hogwarts legacy, which was 9/11 for pedophiles, they bought. They bought it so much it broke records.
And then you look over to what is considered the "right wing" gamers. They see a game they think is dogshit, and they dont buy it. But somehow that is considered economic terrorism
One side is human, the other side is redditors

>>713261830
ill ask you again
name one game that would've been successful if it wasn't for the woke

most examples of go woke go broke are fundamentally flawed games like DAV and AC shadows

>>713260643 (OP)
are you happy with the current state of entertainment?
if yes, it is not real
if no, it is real

>>713262068
Forespoken or the last Ratchet Game

Hell even Concord would have been a medium success with white male and sexy female heroes

>game fails
>it’s because of wokeness!
>game succeeds
>it’s because it was conservative!
>game succeeds and is so incredibly woke you can’t possibly pretend otherwise
>the Jews did it
Making shit up is easy.

>>713260643 (OP)
The consensus is that I'm not gonna buy your woke garbage.

most companies that "go woke" were already failing for other reasons and desperately grasping at relevance. It usually fails but sometimes it generates enough buzz to arrest an already occurring death spiral

>>713262390
>game succeeds and is so incredibly woke you can’t possibly pretend otherwise
Notice this reddit pedo didnt list any actual game, just vague statements meant to make you nod your head

>>713260643 (OP)
Dragon Age Veilguard. The woke writing and the ugly characters ruined the chances of the game. Apparently, the mechanics and "programming quality" were very decent, but the wokeness scared away normal people who don't want to be lectured by the University's DEI office while playing games.

>>713262632
>generates enough buzz
Puh-lease. Getting negative online buzz without having sales won't help you in any way financially.

>>713262682
Hogwarts Legacy, Kingdom Come Deliverance II, The Last of Us II

>>713260643 (OP)
It’s real when it happens and fake when it doesn’t

>>713262910
>Getting negative online buzz without having sales won't help you in any way financially.
which is why it usually doesn't work, but it works just often enough to be better than doing literally nothing when your company is already losing money

>>713262361
>Forespoken
dogshit combat
world building
designs
bad writing quality even when it's not being woke
>Ratchet Game
i have no idea if that game was failure

>Concord would have been a medium success with white male and sexy female heroes
it would've been another one of the bland looking hero shooters no way it could've been any kind of success with 400mil dollar budget

>>713260643 (OP)
think about this. if they removed the woke then they would have removed everyone involved with the production of said game meaning it probably would have been good.

>>713262682
>>game succeeds and is so incredibly woke you can’t possibly pretend otherwise
bg3
cyberpunk2077
rdr2
w3
gta 4
kcd2
forza horizon 5

>>713262910
>Apparently
you didn't play the game
even the most open minded guys said core loop was shit and it was badly designed

>>713263537
>it works just often enough
It doesn't.

>>713264060
bg3 isn't woke. they just give you an option to be a faggot if you want. in no way is anything forced on you and you can kill anyone and everyone you don't like. woke games don't let you do that. you can't refute this you csn only have your opinion which is wrong.

>>713264041
>wishful thinking
>if they fired woke dev they would've gotten better gameplay designers and artist probably

>>713264060
How is Cyberpunk woke?

>>713264196
>bg3 isn't woke
sure thing bud.

>>713264286
Tranny bartender w/ trans flag bumper sticker

>>713264240
Woke artists are inherently worse since they dislike beauty.

>>713264327
NTA. I hate woke stuff.
I played BG 3, it is not woke at all.

It's traditionally just a conservative coping mechanism, since corpos make a kajillion dollars no matter what they do, and generally speaking normies are perfectly happy to watch "woke" things - they don't care about a dumb culture war and just appreciate the variety.

It's becoming at least slightly true, recently, though? Not that it's making anyone go "broke" since they still have more money than god, but, for example, rainbow capitalism is kinda over now. You don't see Pride tshirts everywhere anymore, at least not in america.

>>713264327
it's not woke, it's just painfully european
>DUDE GROSS SEX LMAO xD

>>713264361
You are just being dishonest if you think one tranny in a CYBERPUNK game makes it woke.
You just desperately want ONE woke success and are pretending everything that is successful is woke.

Is Stellar Blade woke too?

>>713264439
i love this cope
i don't think you would've said the same if the game was a failure

>>713260643 (OP)
rightoids are the ultimate goalpost-movers.

>>713260643 (OP)
The problem isn't with the woke content, it's that devs sold out their vision tor a check to make their game more inclusive. The "woke" games people like are shit like BG3 where it's just euros being euros and letting gays fuck, in the west you have a consulting firm come in and that's when everything gets preachy and lame like Veilguard.

>>713264542
>more cope

>You are just being dishonest if you think one tranny in a CYBERPUNK game makes it woke.
that's more that enough to declare any other game woke but standards change when the game is a success

>>713264459
You have no idea how companies work.
It is like saying the Bud Lite thing didn't harm the company because they are still wealthy. It did and a lot.

You can't tell honestly that the likes of Concord and Fairgames didn't hurt Sony. That demolishing the Star Wars name didn't hurt Disney.

Companies need positive results.

>>713264196
Nothing says unwoke like having the option to be non-binary

>>713264647
>dude soulful/grassroot woke is good actually
lol

>>713260643 (OP)
The games in question aren’t shit BECAUSE of woke, but the woke elements are a symptom because they show that the devs put more effort into political soap boxing rather than working on the game itself.

Propaganda usually makes bad art because its more focused on pushing a message rather than artistic integrity.

>>713260643 (OP)
Woke is imo a marketing strat for shit. If you know your game's gonna bomb you woke it up for fundmoneys and free internet ree since it's so shit nobody would talk about or pay for it if it wouldn't pander to political screeching.
So it's more like "going broke, get woke"

>game is announced
>all the chud grifters cry about how it's slop/woke/DEI/whatever is the cool FOTM buzzword
>they all end up buying it and playing it anyway
why are they like this

>>713260643 (OP)
lgbt activists don't buy games

>>713264702
No, it is not. You are extremely dishonest.

Steins Gate has a tranny and is not woke. The character is portrayed in a very positive way. It is a sweet, good person.
And nobody would call Steins Gate woke.

And in this case we are talking about Cyberpunk. Humans making modifications to themselves is a core theme of the cyberpunk genre.

>>713264574
BG 3 could be the biggest failure ever and there could be 300 people who bought it. I would be one of those 300 and I would say "BG3 is a good game and is not woke".

>>713260643 (OP)
TLOU was a powerhouse of a game.
TLOU 2 was a flop that nobody even wants to talk about.
It's not just games. Star wars was once a beloved scifi series. Now everybody just wants to forget about it.
Wokeness is why Trump was elected. Twice.

>>713264997
>tranny shit not woke when my PP gets hard
lmao ok

>>713265145
If joel was killed by another white guy people still would've hated it
It was mix of woke and pretentious

>>713264792
Woke shit is fine if it's built into the story and not hamfisted in. Having 2 fags is whatever. It was whatever in 13 Sentinels, it was whatever in Witcher 3, and it really doesn't matter unless the entire game is shoving dicks in your face and talking about how great fags are and how oppressed they are. If it's just a dude that sucks dick like Dion in Final Fantasy 16 and he never brings it up and acts like a regular person otherwise, I don't see the issue. The problem is that in a game that takes ESG money, they beat the fact the character is a fag over your head and they'll never shut up about how they love getting poz loads in their neg butt.

It's legitimately this old ass Key and Peele skit. 11 fucking years later and this over the top joke sketch literally became real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c

>>713265145
>TLOU 2 was a flop
No it wasn't

>>713265293
Yes.

>>713260643 (OP)
There's a threshold of woke that gamers are more than happy to put up with, like "body type" selection instead of male/female. What really seems to offend them is when leftybros start putting aggressive ugliness into the game. Which is so off-putting that even progressives who love the idea of "representation" can't even stomach it.

>>713265414
Or when they start lecturing or going heavy handed

>>713260643 (OP)
No. Good games sell regardless if its woke or not. The cope is that a game failed because its woke when its actually failed because its just a trash game.

>>713260643 (OP)
The people working on it being woke is what make those games shitty.

>>713260643 (OP)
Funny you post AC because AC shadows is the most obvious example of a game that would have flown off the shelves had it not been a woke shitshow.

>>713262068
Look at Concord and The First Descendant. Both shit games. One got shut down in a week, the other massively dropped off but is still trucking over a year later.

>>713262068
Assassin's Creed Shadows

>>713260643 (OP)
>can't think of a single game that would have succeeded if it weren't 'woke.'
Ass Creed: Shadows

does 'go woke go broke' actually happen? i don't think so, it just sounds like a conspiracy theory

>>713262991
>Hogwarts Legacy
The game that woketards tried and failed to cancel?

Another day of leftists seething about losing. Getting kind of dull now.

>>713264459
>are perfectly happy to watch "woke" things
How's that new Dr. Who season going?

>>713265862
The one with an explicitly trans character in it, yeah

>>713265548
The truth is wokeness in high-value productions is correlated with higher story and accessibility focus on the expense of quality in mechanical gameplay, which tends to be a phoned in cookie cutter experience

>>713260643 (OP)
Its more like go woke lose some points. A really good game or a really mild level of wokeness won't see much impact, whereas a game like Veilguard will get smothered by it. The devs proved it by basically blaming Asmongold for the game not doing that great.

>>713265361
Tbf, the reason this game was bad was a mix of it trying to appeal to woke Millennials, while also being atrocious on a technical level. I still feel as though Dustborn is the closest example we’ve gotten to a game that’s specifically bad because of its woke writing.

>>713265414

I think it can be summarised as this:

Acceptable woke = competent female characters, people of different ethnicities being in the game, body types, the DEI disclaimer at the start of certain games, gay characters appearing

Unacceptable woke= vilifying white men for being white, race swapping characters or adding people of other races in places where makes no sense lore wise, political soapboxing openly trying to push a specific message, female characters who are completely infallible solely because they’re a woman, the devs inserting their barely disguised fetishes into the game etc.

>>713260643 (OP)
>I can't think of a single game that would have succeeded if it weren't 'woke.'
That's probably because your thinking about it too narrowly. It's not like taking out a Pride flag suddenly makes it entirely non-woke. The hiring standards, promotions, etc in these studios and publishers reinforce "wokeness". It all flows from the people and manifests itself in writing, design, testing/feedback, marketing, community interaction and whatever else. To think "non-woke" would be to imagine a completely different game and environment. Does it guarantee success? No. But the odds are a lot better.

>>713265862
Only trannies got mad at it for nothing in the actual game just because its from an IP of a woman that criticized them

The actual game and developers were woke

>>713265306
>If the game is sucessful this very nuanced opinion about woke otherwise i chimp out at sight black or women

>>713266167
Again with the wishful thinking
>Ubisoft would ditched their checklist copy paste design enforced by heigher ups it it wasn't for the woke

>>713264756
It is like saying the Bud Lite thing didn't harm the company because they are still wealthy. It did and a lot.
While I wish this was true, it's not. The problem is that Bob might decide not to buy it because it's gay shit now, but he'll just grab a different beer, and it's all owned by the same company. Constructive boycotting is very hard now, because 500 companies own the planet.

>>713260643 (OP)
The truth is woke is such a malleable term it can be applied and revoked as needed to fit the narrative being built. You won't get a consistent standard if you ask each wokespotter what is and isn't or which games do or don't have it. It's a lot like "white" in that regard, where Irish and Italians became white when a new immigrant wave made having them on the inside rather than outside politically and economically useful for preventing solidarity between them and newer groups coming to america who would receive similar treatment to what they got.

>>713260643 (OP)
If that's real then the opposite "Go Sleep Get Rich" should also be true.

OP here
The consensus so far is:

Progressivism (or "wokeness") isn't inherently bad. When done well, it's a positive force. The issue arises when it's done poorly or solely for the sake of ESG points.

"Woke" has become a meaningless term that's often used to describe anything someone doesn't like
whether it's bad game design, terrible gameplay, or anything else technical.

>>713265134
It's full of faggotry, the city looks like San Francisco it's so diverse, and of course there's always the 100% guaranteed test for wokery: does it have a character with vitiligo, because that's the most zero-effort way to check the ESG box for disfigurement. Yes, two in fact.

It's woke as shit.

>>713266243
FFXVI was not particularly successful and is not woke. It has a gay character who is shown very positively, by the way.

>>713266487
The Bud Lite thing harmed the parent company a lot.

>>713266598
ma man

>>713266167
I think people need to understand that “woke” is a specific corporate and social sub-culture that was prevalent throughout the 2010s. Something left-leaning isn’t inherently woke, since game devs have always been mostly left-leaning, but it refers to this uniquely Neoliberal capitalist phenomenon where businesses make token gestures of paying lip service to social justice, believing it’ll give them good PR as a smokescreen so they can swindle their customers without them noticing.

Yes, it’s a conspiracy, and yes it’s astroturfed, but it’s been in rapid decline throughout the 2020s so far because it’s been so thoroughly exposed, and the money for DEI initiatives is also beginning to dry up as companies make budget cuts. This is why in the past couple years, there have been far fewer “woke” games coming out of the west.

>>713266446
You're mixing up a lot of different things here for some reason. What does the typical old Ubi gameplay design have to do with woke? Also, this idea that it's all coming from higher ups and execs is also another false narrative that seemingly won't die.

>>713260643 (OP)
It's cope. Only the games that use the aesthetics of woke go broke (i.e. corpos mandate wokeness as an aesthetic to get an ESG grant or something).

>>713266969
>What does the typical old Ubi gameplay design have to do with woke
it has everything to do with their games being terrible and bland and terribly made

>higher ups and execs is also another false narrative
yeah every other ex Ubisoft dev made something much more interesting after leaving that company

>>713266243
>clip i linked literally has black people in it
>still tries to pretend that the issue isn't with black people being hamfisted into games for no reason in sometimes immersion breaking ways and pretends the issue is black people existing at all
I like CJ, I like Barret, I like Lee, and I always played as Coach when he wasn't already taken. I don't like when a character initially shown off as white randomly becomes black like in Alan Wake 2 because Remedy wanted an influx of ESG cash. Corporations selling out is the main issue, the ESG money is either used as a budget infusion in a failed attempt fix their game that's shit, is taken because the game sucks and that money is going to be more than they would have gotten from the total sales, or because the devs sold out their vision and if they compromised on that, the game will suck.

Woke isn't just having fags, blacks, or women. It's having women that act were genderswapped from a male character to be subversive, having fags that never shut up about how much they like sucking cock like my clip, and having a single black npc in the middle of a remote village in the mountains that hasn't seen a visitor in 100 years.

>>713266761
For me, in recent years, it went from "I really don't mind" to "surefire sign of a bad game" but not in relation of what is actually in the game but in relation of how it's marketed. So if they make an effort to tell you how progressive the game is, it probably isn't and probably is bad. If it happens to have a woke scene but they don't need to point it out because the rest of the game stands on its own people just ignore that one scene and it isn't a problem.

>>713266828
>The Bud Lite thing harmed the parent company a lot.
What makes you say that? Did the people not buying Bud light check the attached image and buy a beer that wasn't also owned by that company?

>>713266931
Woke has been around since the 70s, it just percolated up through popular protest movement into corporate consciousness, where they scrubbed and monetized and applied it for profit like they do with every counter culture, which is where most sheltered suburbia kids encountered it for the first time. Hence why they think corpos came up with it. From there it's been mutilated and warped into what it is here.

>>713266931
>it's a conspiracy but it also happened and i can name the leaders of the movement

>>713266761
>Progressivism (or "wokeness") isn't inherently bad.
Yes, it is.

>>713266528
Woke is completely concrete, it means resentment politics and always has

>>713267104
I think something interesting to consider is that the actual creator of Assassin’s Creed left Ubisoft after Brotherhood because he didn’t like the direction the execs were taking the franchise in. I think that says it all. People forget that Assassin’s Creed started out as this experimental passion project. It was never intended to become Ubisoft’s CoD.

>>713267305
As if to prove my point, that is a different answer than the dozens of others I've gotten here when I've asked or discussed the meaning of the term.

>>713267253
people in this thread disagree

>>713266931
>it’s been in rapid decline throughout the 2020s so far
This is false. They've taken the DEI paperwork from the top of the desk to the bottom drawer but outside of an exception like Lords of the Fallen nothing has changed creatively. I can't name a single tentpole entertainment franchise that pivoted away from woke. Not in games or tv & film.

>>713267202

Their share prices fell, their revenue in the US fell by 400 millions in one quarter and one of their main brands was destroyed. They spend a lot of money on Bud Lite marketing because they want to make their brand stronger. So guess what they felt about one of their best brands imploding?

I saw some woke types making this kind of argument of "InBev is enormous, this won't make a dent on them", which shows they have zero knowledge of how corporations work.

>>713267401
It isn't, every answer you will be given will be some form of resentment politics. People are too stupid to articulate the core but they will describe the fruits of the tree.

>>713260643 (OP)
I don’t know let’s see how Concord, Star wars Outlaws, trannyguard, redfall, zau, suicide squad, ac blackfag, forsaken, the saints row reboot, GBVH, and Dustborn did.

>>713267416
No. They don't. You misunderstood what they meant.
A bunch of pervert Europeans making a perverted European game where everyone fucks everyone is not progressivism. It is not about politics.

Taash lecturing everyone about pronouns or whatever is progressive politics.

>>713267104
>it has everything to do with their games being terrible and bland and terribly made
But it didn't stop them from succeeding which was the point we're discussing here.

>>713267648
you can see in this very thread
people showing difference threshold hold and having grudge against certain kinds of woke
i for example like rage2, KCD2 and gta 4 etc

but i can't sand new saint's row or hades

>>713267458
What does "pivoting away from woke" look like to you?

>>713267416
So?

>>713260643 (OP)
you think that if you keep asking this people will eventually agree with you?

>>713267648
No, some really do just think it's different kinds of characters, some think it's the angle of a female character's jawline, some think it's imaginary incompetent blue haired people being present in the studio. The original meaning was simply being aware you lived in a system that wasn't built to help or enrich you, and more likely was closer to the opposite.

>>713266528
It’s not you fucking rat, it applies to a very specific thing. And everyone that points it out keeps in line with that very specific thing. You fags are desperate given all of your failure so you have to say there isn’t an actual meaning behind it so you can poison the well as usual.
>as needed to fit the narrative being built
Oh look the tranny is fixating on narratives as usual.

>>713267792
in an alternative universe where taash is well written he speech would've been very person confession about struggle identity and being an outcast

>>713267203
I knew that, but the term “woke” as we understand it today is not what it meant back in the 60’s and 70’s.


What we understand the term as today is a heavily sanitised and watered down version of what it once was, designed to appeal to the privileged middle class who feel guilty about their privilege, but don’t want to actually give it up.

It’s a system where wealthy people can feel good about themselves because they hired some ethnic minorities in meaningless positions and then go back to their gated communities at the end of the day.

>>713267808
it started the decline
avatar wasn't some outrageous woke game but people really disliked it
and not mention the disaster skull and bones was

>>713267792
One simply needs to consider the role of the infallible muslim, poor put-upon jews, both shoehorned in where they don't belong, and the evil christians to know you're full of shit.

>>713265602
Yes.
You can think of the Witcher TV series as an example. The writers were woke people who disliked the source material, so they went on to try to change everything.
The main star and main draw of the show was a fan of the series and left because he disagreed with them. The writers even made a joke inside a spinoff series about him, after he left.

>>713261830
Didn’t those Redditors tank teslas stock to the point where Elon had to bail out and go back to trying to salvage the brand?

>>713267926
no i think it's more fun and interesting the daily slop woke threads

>>713267952
>imaginary incompetent blue haired people being present in the studio
>imaginary
Lol

>>713262390
do you buy games because they are woke?
because I don't buy a game if it's woke

>>713267987
give us a good definition
smartass

>>713268082
Are we talking about the same BG3?
I don't remember any infallible character in there or anything criticizing Christians. The Knights trying to kill Karlach were not real Knights, even.

>>713268229
It’s a word used to describe cultural marxist and idpol.

>>713266528
>>713268229
basically game with a progressist /liberal bias and that's kinda preachy, trying to soapbox it

you keep asking this to pretend it's not a real thing, that it's all a conspiracy, right?

>>713268005
That's tokenism, and is mostly called woke from the outside, lumped in with people who legitimately want people upset that there's minorities or lgtb representation at all, and really believe corporate tokenism is the only reason it happens at all, despite indie evidence to the contrary.

Wokeness has no impac-...
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/bud-light-boycott-ab-inbev-sales

>The world’s largest brewer may have lost as much as $1.4 billion in sales

>>713267952
you're thinking about this on a superficial level which is why you're always confused. why are people pissed when women have manjaws? it isn't because the manjaw makes them violently ill, its because they are pissed at resentful ugly women or trannies mandating that fictional women be ugly or masculine. If you look at someone like miranda from mass effect, she has always had a gigantic manjaw and nobody complained about it, if they thought she was ugly they moved past that immediately to focus on something else, That's because there was no presence of resentment politics in game culture a couple decades ago.

This same shit applies to resentful poor people whining about capitalism, resentful black people whining about white people, resentful gays whining about straight people, its all woke and annoying. The blue haired incompetent devs are real, I know because I saw them first hand (quite literally woke, fat, gay and with neon hair)

depends on what is meant by woke but if a game is so woke that it comes across as weird to everybody then absolutely, im in the gay scene and know plenty of LGBT motherfuckers and every single one of us was put off by concord

>>713268453
A lot of people who genuinely believe in woke are wealthy champagne socialists though.

A lot of it is the fault of modern academia, which teaches critical theory to well-off students as though its gospel, and then they internalise it and believe it’s a genuinely good way to make positive changes in the world and also alleviate the guilt and boredom they feel as a result of their privileged lifestyles.

At the end of the day, modern woke is the result of pretentious rich people being used as useful idiots.

>>713267905
you aren't arguing about the definition, only tolerance thresholds, no shit the presence of some Jews or gay people isn't going to trigger as many people as a bunch of communists literally singing and dancing about how great mass immigration is and how brown people are going to replace you.

>>713260643 (OP)
going woke usually indicates that the product is already of substandard quality. In order to ensure they get enough sales they will shove in blacks/gays, degrade beloved characters, talk down to the player, etc in an attempt to entice left wing retards into buying the product to make up for lost sales from the product being fundamentally bad AND pissing off former fans.

Even if the woke elements arent that bad just getting a wiff of that shit will indicate to me that the studio behind the product has probably lost all their former charm and are banking off DEI investments and culturewar bux to get by over making a good game.

>>713267910
Undoing most everything the feminist culture warriors churned out by academia have spent the past decade(s) crusading against in media. Entertainment that's unapologetically aimed at the (young) male audience that makes up the core fanbase.

>>713268791
Well miranda got in before the wokespotting phenomenon began. I'd say representation hasn't really had that big of a shift in recent years, it's the obsessive seeking it out and condemning it wherever it happens that has changed. Mass effect also had a nonbinary pansexual alien, and half life 2 had a mixed race female scientist/engineer. The slight shift in representation towards a broader audience just caused a reactionary movement. It's kind of an american tradition.

>>713268791
You hit the nail on the head.

>>713269031
Yeah. I don't really understand what happened in Academia that bullshit like that became so dominant

>>713268359
>idpol
one can argue identity politics has been a part of every mature game whether it is Witcher, gta 4, rdr2 even skyrim or lotr
where races still represented real people from different races and class but it was done well

>>713268449
by this definition go woke go broke is definitely false

>>713269283
Post-modernism became a dominant school is what happened. Critical theory branches off from Post-modernist thought, since it’s a logical step after that. Also, a lot of political activists in general are either students or go into teaching.

>>713269153
>tolerance thresholds
which determined by their definition of woke
for someone like synthetic man a woman holding weapon and every woman not being sexy is woke
while dude bros think woke means something dustborn and veil guard

>>713269385
...
You have no idea what he means by idpol.

>>713269283
Jews from the Frankfurt School infected it after fleeing from Germany.

>>713266761
>The issue arises when it's done poorly or solely for the sake of ESG points.
This is all it's ever done for. Women, queers and blacks existing in games isn't wokeness though.

>>713260643 (OP)
The "wokeness" is a red flag for misappropriated resources. To put it another way, they worried about nonessential ideological problems instead of whether or not the game is good. The graphics suck, the characters suck, the gameplay sucks, the story sucks but they made sure to have the proper racial and gender ratio of characters so there isn't too many whites, males, or white males.

This is also why games launch broken and buggy.

>>713269701
Example being?

>>713269659
The Frankfurt School was anti-consumerist though. Woke politics nowadays fully endorses consumerism as long as it doesn’t contain “problematic” elements.

>>713267416
>people have different opinions
That's what tends to happen when you don't get banned for having an opinion outside of the group narrative.

>>713269263
The origin of those elements in halflife and old mass effect weren't driven by resentment which is why they dont annoy people. There wasn't a mixed race woman or an indoctrinated wigger at valve mandating that alex be half black, the guys making the game just thought that would be interesting or cool. Even now retards get triggered at women being MCs but it confuses people because there are multiple reasons why someone would want to make a woman a main character, stellar blade isnt woke but intergalactic is, one is driven by resentment the other isn't, tomb raider is violently oscillating from one side to the other depending on if the person in charge is a straight man or an ugly woman.

>>713269648
ik he means are version of idpol that is popular on reddit and reset era

>>713264586
As opposed to leftards, who always lead from the back. What is that proclaims your values? Whatever succeeds! It works every time.

Also, whatever point you were trying to make falls completely flat when your meme includes furry shit, you degenerate moron.

>>713269976
my point being there's no concrete "woke" you can prove any game is woke or based by re arranging the facts and definition

>>713269263
If anything this reminds me of a really lame version of how the KKK was born when freed slaves suddenly could vote and immediately had huge representation in every government office in the south. Formerly excluded people get representation (literally there) > people who formerly had exclusive representation don't like to share > reactionary suppression because to the privileged, any loss of privilege feels like oppression.

>>713260643 (OP)
A woke game is also made by trannies, faggots and women, thus the game itself is always also shit

>>713269623
you yourself just said you think all those games have woke shit in them but it doesnt bother you that much till it goes past a limit. This is the same as racism, everyone fundamentally understands the definition, different people are cool with different amounts and then there are crazies who see it where it doesnt even exist.

Everyone innately understands that woke shit is resentful people being annoying whiny bitches who fuck up everything because of their grievances, some people are terminally online and see it where it doesnt exist.

>>713269997
That sounds like a change in how you and others like you changed how you perceived the presence of said characters. I've seen this reaction for indie games with no corporate mandates who chose to put stuff in the game of their own volition. Even if you think you're just pushing against corporate pandering (up until it panders to you), you're in league with peeps who don't care where it comes from and really do want to do an ethno state to video games. Kinda like Cyril in Andor

>>713270172
>reactionary suppression because to the privileged, any loss of privilege feels like oppression.
What is an unironic SJW doing on 4chan?

>>713264997
Ruka isn't a tranny in any route.

>>713270461
>unironic SJW doing on 4chan?
you'll be surprised

>>713260643 (OP)
the woke part includes dei hires in dev teams too, so of course they would flop either way

>>713269263
>I'd say representation hasn't really had that big of a shift in recent years
That's called gaslighting

>>713260643 (OP)
It's a general trend, not a blanket scientific law. The mass audience tends to dislike when an established series gets a sudden injection of cutesy, snarky "millennial"-style writing + on-the-nose current day political references. This tends to be a reliable (though not infallible) sign that the game itself is not good, most likely because both the writing and the overall game design are the product of an incompetent corporate culture. Both the wokeness and the game sucking are symptoms springing from the studio's overall dysfunction.

>>713269853
It's still where critical theory and all this nonsense about race and gender come from.

>>713270323
yeah
let's not pretend the lines are blurry
for example
some say prototype two was woke because of the black guy
but to me it was obviously a creative decisions to have a black family man as a contrast to emo white boy

or
ciri being the protag of witcher 4
some say it's woke pandering
i think it's safe move of going back to character focused rpgs after the disaster cp2077 was

>>713270461
Fishing for ad hominems, obviously

>>713270439
>Kinda like Cyril in Andor
Actual redditor

>>713270439
Indie devs can be resentful faggots too. That's what makes them woke.

>>713260643 (OP)
it's a cope lobbed at every game that is seemingly woke so chuddies here can pretend they called it despite doing it for everything. it's like the homeless guy on the street with a sign saying the world is going to end soon and being wrong basically every time until something actually happens, and pretending he called it the whole time

>>713270439
Just because an indie game has no corporate pandering doesnt mean its not woke, that's retarded. A solo dev is just as capable of being woke as naughty dog is.

My own personal understanding of woke allows me to play a game like JJ macfield which is literally about a tranny and not see at as especially woke because swery isn't a bitter tranny himself, he's just interested by the psychology. My impression of games didn't change over time, resentful, bitter people are annoying and always have been. In the future if ugly guys start mandating fictional men be ugly bastards then ill label that woke too.

>>713266528
You know all those activist groups, consultants, etc built on feminist theory pushing for change in media? That's woke.

The only reason they don’t instantly fail (sometimes, 80% of the time they do) is because of the corrupt government allowing them to launder money. If you are given 1mil$ to advertise, why would you not buy copies of your own game with it? They lie, they manipulate the numbers, they outright fake polls so they can report to the corporation funding them how popular they are. If the government actually prevented any corporations from ripping people off, DEI would not exist. It is used by lazy people to charge you for the convenience of existing as a popular product counter to the propaganda promoting negro fallacies.

>>713269457
you can believe that if you want
you just won't explain why

>>713260643 (OP)
truth is western artists were never that good at character design, and only now ar starting to become decent at mecha design, this is why i've always prefered japanese games since 25 years before woke became a thing

>>713260643 (OP)
Real, not 100%, but definitely the majority

>>713260643 (OP)
Of course it's real because I don't buy woke games.

>>713271360
>basically game with a progressist /liberal bias and that's kinda preachy, trying to soapbox it
fuck ton of games have a liberal bias
and they are pretty successful

>>713271116
>>713271101

>>713271624
Actual. Redditor.
Do I need to repeat myself again?

>>713271351
This confirms my theory this is a reactionary movement, which generally defend the status quo from change real or perceived

>>713271664
Nah man, your inability to engage with the discussion and subsequent attempt to slap a label on it so you can dismiss it without having to are clear enough.

>>713271723
Ah of course the woke people who dominate academia, media, and entertainment are the real revolutionaries fighting against the status quo!

>>713260643 (OP)
cope
the population that obsesses about wokeness is very small. they are just eternally buttblasted losers, so they are very loud about the things they obsess about to distract them from their loserdom.
the bigger issue is that corporations funding games are run by out of touch rich people that just want developers to ship safe products. So they green light creatively devoid projects that lack a soul or voice of its own, but with character choices which is basically equivalent to EXXON changing their twitter picture to a pride version. It gets the attention of the Woke obsessed but the characters are not the problem.
Marathon is a nice example of a safe project form a creatively devote studio

>>713271927
well you can't enact change without taking control of institutions now can you? either way calling Hollywood woke is so funny because they oh so very clearly only do it in a way for attention from real wokies for money, and edit out whatever minor nonsense they put in for Chinese audiences.

>>713271915
You unironically tried to use a pop culture reference like it would help your argument. How do you not feel embarrassed?

>>713271971
just like big corpos used environment as smoke screen for salve labor or terrible practices

woke became a smoke screen for terrible corporate practices and bad game design
woke absorbs shock then there's nothing left in people to complain about terrible copy paste design

>>713272179
So what positive changes have we been experiencing over the last decade thanks to these hardworking secret-revolutionaries?

>>713271723
Entertainment for a male audience existing is not oppressive. It does not need to be changed or otherwise policed to accommodate women. Back off.

>>713272362
gay marriage is a pretty big one. sadly democrats aren't actually an opposition party and are also just conservative slaves to israel who just shake their fists angrily at republicans instead of actually trying to do anything

>>713272637
>the right to celebrate your STDs, destroyed asshole, and desire to groom children in public
I'm so happy for you!

>>713272789
imagine spending all your time rage baiting on 4channel.org and being THIS bad at it.

>>713262390
>>game succeeds
>>it’s because it was conservative!
No one actually says this except maybe retarded tradcons who try to parrot younger people but twist their words. They say it was because it was non-woke, which just means normal. Most of the people calling woke games out aren't actually conservative, they're just reactionaries who are tired of girl power and black power shit. As degenerate as Baldur's Gate 3 could be, it still was still vast enough that people can play it while avoiding the worst of it. Compare that to something like Asscreed Shadows with the niggerai smashing japanese peasants to rap music that chants ching chong non-stop.

>>713272862
Who's baiting? Aren't you happy to have those rights now? How did we ever survive without them?

>>713266487
It still hurt the subsidiary. Conglomerates are basically just a bunch of smaller companies in a trench coat for financial reporting purposes. Holding companies actually rarely directly influence day to day operations. If a subsidiary or brand becomes toxic, they'll often just let it fail. Just look at what happened with Embracer Group. A few subsidiaries performed poorly, so they not only nuked those, they nuked adjacent subsidiaries too.

>>713272637
gay marriage doesnt even make any sense, its just atheist gay people whining that they weren't allowed access to a religious label. The destruction of marriage as a respected concept has led to the total collapse of the family unit which fucks up children who grow up in broken households, gay marriage was nothing but negative, they should have been perfectly happy with civil union.

was the french revolution woke?

>>713273181
B-B-But love is love!!!!

>>713273181
>muh family unit
economic struggles create more broken households than the gays being able to marry anon

>>713271459
fuck ton of games have a liberal bias
and they fail and their studios are axed

>>713262991
>TLOU2
>succeeds
pick one

>>713273432
isn't that just because there's more liberal games than conservative ones? of course more liberal games will fail if they're the bulk of the medium

>>713273320
>economic struggles
Caused by mass migration and feminism.

>>713269385
Are you really going right for this cope?

>>713273235
muddying the waters?

>>713264586
>furry

>>713273562
anon, are you lonely?
why are you talking retarded shit like that?

>>713273635
Correction, schizo furry.

>>713273563
no being caused by the consolidation of wealth by the people who told you it was caused by mass migration and feminism. this is why conservatives are all cucks, they run defense for the people who are actively exploiting them

>>713273320
You pulled that out your ass, there are third world tier countries that have more stable family units than any western country why do you think that is? they take marriage seriously, its not a participation sticker they hand out to any whiny gay that asks for it.
What do you think is the number 1 cause of financial troubles? Its single moms who have nobody to provide for their kids.

>>713273562
Games used to be more or less apolitical in that they presented ideas in a neutral light and gave very broad messages that could appeal to anyone.

>>713273674
>no rebuttal other than "ur a stupid face"
ok

Has there ever been a woke success that didn't rely on non-woke legacy franchise/studio or the game becoming woke over time? Aka no OW,BG3,KC2,Spiderman,GoW, Witcher/Cyberpunk etc. Pathfinder for example was woke by design.

>>713273235
It was proto-communist.
Napoleon was a proto-fascist.

>>713273753
>the people who believe in welfare queens also think the number 1 cause of economic instability in the US is because women don't men to provide for them
huh? doesn't the state provide for them?

>>713273235
The original Robespierre Terror iteration? Absolutely.

>>713262991
>>713264060
>KCD2
>woke
>he fell for the actual jewish propaganda against the game
ngmi
vávra won btw and you will never be a real woman

>>713273797
no you were just blind to political messaging and theming in the past because you were young and have been conditioned by anonymous retards to be a reactionary now that you can see such things

>>713273706
has anyone actually identified what the fucking cause of furrys is? this shit was around when i was fucking 15. surely someone has done a study and pinned down what the commonality is that leads to someone becoming a furry?

ive seen people who were queer from a young age or were basically gay/whatever and i can put that down to hormone imbalances, genetics or whatever. but wtf turns someone into a furry?

>>713273883
A woman working as a waitress or on government welfare is completely indistinguishable, both are financially struggling and both will have kids that grow up in abject poverty.

>>713271027
yeah, it's just a coincidence that's its usually a black or a woman or a lgbtqiap2+ that takes the place of a established character that was none of those

is there even one recent, new IP with one of those as the protagonist that was an actual success?

>>713264586
They can never counter this, tbqh
It's over

>>713273725
And the wealthy get even richer when they hire immigrant workers for pennies and force both parents to have full time jobs just to pay the bills.

>>713274035
do you think men also can't be poor? lack of jobs and stagnant wages causes poverty more than a lack of marriage man

>>713260643 (OP)
I know leftoids are retarded.
Shit quality and woke faggotry go in 90% of the cases hand in hand.

>>713273974
>don’t believe your lying eyes
This is the reason why you fuckers fail. You can’t actually argue shit and instead say that it’s all ignorance on the part of the people calling you out, and when it ends up not being true you just flounder.

>>713273803
you're lonely
retard, have you even seen a "conservative" game like >>713273568 as you seen most liberal ones?

>>713273974
you are addicted to "political", seeing it everywhere, because that's part of the indoctrination

>>713265616
Really bad example since First Descendant has lost over 96% of hits players. It's hardly "still trucking".
Both were shit games, but one tried to distract you from how shit it was by being "woke" and the other tried to distract you with tits and ass.
The end result is the same.

>>713273936
>no bro I assure you the game with a magic negro and forced ahistorical golem section is totally not woke just believe vavra
He’s a jew and you’re a projecting troon.

>>713274213
>the argument that people typically when younger cannot identify political themes and messaging isn't a real argument
lmao ok

>>713274006
It's all Disney's fault.

>>713274159
Are you retarded? why do you keep getting lost in minutiae instead of understanding the point that is being made? In the majority of cases the children go to the mom, not the dad, this has nothing to do with men vs women being poor its about the vast majority of broken households being single moms bringing up their kids and that 2 people earning and taking care of kids is always better than 1 (and that its also better for it to be a man and a woman and not a bunch of gays who are known to be hyper sexual weirdos who are social outcasts and will pass that worldview onto their kids)

>>713274371
Your argument is predicated on me being young when a series of games came out, or that I first played them before I was taught about various ideas and concepts. You have nothing to actually back this up and you’re only using it because you can’t argue your point on how games weren’t just blatantly pushing agendas and had a more objective look at various ideas allowing the player to come to their own conclusions or have elements that anyone no matter what they believed could relate and identify with.

>>713274006
People mostly look the same, furrys look wildly different. Its just variety, so when you would see them as a kid or whatever they stood out far more than the human characters at times, so you fixate on them more. I imagine its something to do with that.

>>713274326
>has lost over 96% of hits players.
why?
did you read the users' reviews?
>because sexy = bad
>because it's not woke enough
>because content, management and gameplay related changes
>because it was a fad

>>713274576
>the vast majority of broken homes are because of this very specific thing
I just don't think that's true, there are plenty of marriages that are also poor

>>713273568
no i can tell the difference one is done well other one isn't

>>713274418
WTF I want a cute and modest fox wife now

>>713260643 (OP)
No, there's a lot of successful woke games like BG3, Elden Ring, Cyberpunk, Hogwarts Legacy
There's also a lot of non woke games that flop, like Mindseye most recently
I think most gamers just want fun games regardless of politics (or lack thereof), and only a small amount of culture warriors online with minimal effect on sales whine about woke/anti-woke shit

>>713274721
The difference is one is using political ideas and concepts to enhance the story while the other is using a story to further their agenda it’s what separates normal media from propaganda. But thank you for showing that you didn’t know like it said.

>>713274634
you could see that your own shadow is black and think that's an agenda being pushed nowadays so yes, I do think when you were younger you were not conditioned to think such a way. your lens into the world is so VERY clearly based in 4chan idpol I'd have to be a blind moron like you to not see it.

>>713274418
hmm makes sense i guess. so their sexual awakening got strongly attached to some childhood anthropomorphized figure? surely though normal women would be fine?

>>713273936
i thinking adding musa was woke (forced by publisher to white wash the image lol)
don't care for gay romance, it's a rpg and hans was homo from the start
it's the best game of 2025 and the best rpg in a long long time (maybe e33 is better but i am not into jrpgs)

>>713274802
>hogwarts legacy
You mean that game that trannies flipped the fuck out over
>inb4 there was a tranny in the game
Yes and they freaked out about him because he looked like a man larping as a woman (a tranny) and not a woman they said was a troon.

>>713261830
Voting with your wallet don't work when the companies are making games for the investors instead of you.

>>713274689
Why do I have to reiterate something as obvious as: the vast majority of divorces originate from the concept of marriage becoming a joke. Why are you making this stupid argument that its because of poverty when indians and vietnamese have some of the lowest divorce rates on earth.

>>713264060
How is FH5 woke?

why are leftists so disingenuous

>>713274645
i mean i liked barney as a kid but never wanted to fuck him or the triceratops girl thankfully

>>713274857
i don't think even creators are 100% certain if they are being fair or not
i think it's all about execution
if done well even propaganda is art

>>713262991
>Hogwarts Legacy
Sales support based tranny-cryptonite author.
>Kingdom Come Deliverance II, The Last of Us II
Riding the success of previous the entry while dooming the next entry just like Monster Hunter Wilds

>>713274969
Those trannies would be the minority of politically motivated cutlure warriors with no impact on sales
do you think the game set it in 19th century england with the demographics of chicago isn't woke?

>>713274930
this
anyone hating on KCD2 hates vidya and wants it to be filled with uninspired slop

>>713275038
it's the cringe millennial latinx shit painted all over it
ugly characters, vitiligo, pronouns and cripples etc

>>713274878
So you still have no argument and are just using ad hominem to cope.
>I do think when you were younger you were not conditioned to think such a way
Based on what? You don’t know me, this is all just your headcanon.
> your lens into the world is so VERY clearly based in 4chan idpol
Can you do anything but say “no u” honestly I’m saying that there shouldn’t be idpol shit but since you can’t argue that you have to say how I’m pushing for my own kind. So to make it clear, you have nothing to actually show how games were pushing blatant polar agendas and all you can do is just say I was too dumb to notice.

>>713275153
It's funny seeing chuds align themselves with a radfem because she is also transphobic. Rowling is woke aside from your 1 pet issue

>>713275153
> while dooming the next entry
idk about tlou but warhorse's next game is guaranteed success
normal people (ones who can look past the slow gameplay) loved the game

>>713275093
Propaganda by its very nature can not be are you brainrotted ideologue.

>>713274914
Normal human girls are boring. Coomers want more spice.
Same logic for lolicons.

>>713275308
>It's funny seeing chuds align themselves with a radfem because she is also transphobic. Rowling is woke aside from your 1 pet issue

>>713275039
The serious answer is they dont understand conservatives and aren't used to arguing with them while many conservatives used to be lefty and if they weren't they were bombarded with lefty propaganda growing up. This imbalance means the only path to winning an argument is to be disingenuous and emotional.

>>713275419
enjoy your gay dumbledore and black hermoine kek

>>713275308
lol. leftists call her a fascist

>>713275180
Like how you have to deflect and trivialize knowing you can’t argue how trannies went on a rampage and even got a streamer to quit while making a list of anyone who played it so they could harass them later.

>>713275207
it got a lot acknowledgement from euro devs for being a good Bethesda rpg
and rightfully so
from UI to costumes everything screamed soul
and even cdpr said they want their game to be more real and live like KCD (which would be really hard to pull off in something like witcher)

>>713275226
The vitiligo and pronoun stuff is only for character creation.
It doesn't have laninx stuff. It takes place in Mexico and they had to hyper-focus on stuff like "El Vocho" because the devs choose poorly and Mexico doesn't really have car culture.
As for ugly characters, everyone has ever looked ugly in FH games.

>>713275308
>Rowling is woke aside from your 1 pet issue
She just like me fr fr

>>713274930
> forced by publisher to white wash the image lol
Is that why vavra took full responsibility and then went on a tangent about how it was totally fine and that anyone that didn’t like it was just racist. You know the same shit people said to him back when the first game came out?

>>713275380
false
in war time they made countless propaganda comics, painting and songs i think they are quiet charming

>>713262910
veilguard had bland writing even if you look past the "wokness" and as much as anti-woke fags love to dunk on it, inquisition is what started this and veilguard is literally the best case scenario out of that dead on arrival project that started as an MMO game

>>713275515
it's definitely woke by nu-v's standards
i tried it and i can't care less about racing games

>>713275458
It’s more that the Overton window has shifted so far that people that would be considered progressive/liberal 20 years ago are now not. So all you have left in the left leaning circles are the most fervent and rabid ideologues that can’t into reason, logic, or anything that has to do with a coherent thought. They just all function more or less as a hivemind.

concord went broke because it was woke. that game is a paradigm

>>713260643 (OP)
>pic unrelated
Pic very related, ACU was a mess back at launch and killed itself with elise's story that nobody gave a shit about
to think that game has fans is mindblowing to me even after the numerous patches

>>713274338
>t. leftoid tranny freak
Trump is your president faggot
tick tock

>>713275636
i think vavra is uppity nigger and that's it really
and
obviously they can't say publisher made them do it

>>713275059
I think theres limits to it. Some you notice, but you dont fixate on them.

>>713275834
It definitely is like 20% woke, but nowhere as woke as somethinf like KC2 and BG3.

>>713275714
Yeah all propaganda and not art. You think it’s charming because it benefits your argument. But you can’t actually say what artistic merit it has because it was made exclusively to push an agenda. It’s like saying that shitty soulless corporate advertising is art.

>>713275039
>At that time I was still naive enough to try to make clear to them the madness of their ideas; in my small circle I talked until my tongue was weary and till my throat was hoarse, and I thought I could succeed in convincing them of the destructiveness of their Marxist doctrine of irrationality; but the result was contrary.
>It seemed as though the increasing realization of the destructive influence of Social Democratic theories would serve only to strengthen their determination.
>The more I argued with them, the more I got to know their dialectics. First they counted on the ignorance of their adversary; then, when there was no way out, they themselves pretended stupidity.
>If all this was of no avail, they refused to understand or they changed the subject when driven into a corner; they brought up truisms, but they immediately transferred their acceptance to quite different subjects, and, if attacked again, they gave way and pretended to know nothing exactly.
>Wherever one attacked one of these prophets, one's hands seized slimy jelly; it slipped through one's fingers only to collect again in the next moment.
>If one smote one of them so thoroughly that, with the bystanders watching, he could but agree, and if one thus thought he had advanced at least one step, one was greatly astonished the following day. The Jew did not in the least remember the day before, he continued to talk in the same old strain as if nothing had happened, and if indignantly confronted, he pretended to be astonished and could not remember anything except that his assertions had already been proved true the day before.
>Often I was stunned. One did not know what to admire more: their glibness of tongue or their skill in lying.
>Slowly, I began to hate them.

>>713275914
idk i played it recently
parkour was fun and setting was pretty

>>713275986
retarded underage post

>>713275958
>give proof that vavra is a lying kike
>ignores it and keeps crying tranny to cope
Damn, golem gonna getcha.

>>713274802
>>713273832
Mindseye's character designs are as woke as it gets.

>>713275039
they have nothing to lose in their mind, their reputation is already in the toilet and all their experiments failed. any action that results in their gain is justified because they're fundamentally narcissistic nihilists who don't believe in any kind of ethics. the only interests they have are their own. socialists are just useful idiots who buy the equality cool-aid and never stop to question if everyone should be equal.

>>713275986
He could have just said nothing, like nothing at all, but not only did he not do that but he went out of his way to take credit and defend it.

>>713260643 (OP)
it's not that games are bad because they're woke it's that people who make woke games make shit games so if you see a woke game it's going to be shit

>>713276095
Israel is going to get nuked soon
tick tock schlomo

>is 'go woke go broke' a real thing or a cope?
A cope
>I can't think of a single game that would have succeeded if it weren't 'woke.'
True. Likewise, there's not really any woke game that succeeded and would NOT have succeeded if it weren't woke.
>They still would have been failures, even with better looking characters and no flags or pronouns.
True.

Simply put, this culture war bullshit is only here to make browns and other assorted losers think they are #GamersRisingUp.

Pic related. A best seller in 2023.

>>713276035
again it's all about preferences
no universal standard

>>713275284
>I'm saying there shouldn't be idpol shit
which is the 4chan idpol poisoned stance on the subject. thank you for confirming the thing I already knew though

>>713276046
nta

as soon as I began reading I knew what it was

>>713273871
>Napoleon was a proto-fascist.
No, maybe the third for helping actual proto fascist like the red shirts and garibaldi

>>713276037
what do you think about art specifically made to sell
like no expression or real creativity just product
because that's most of the early European stuff and people still consider it art

>>713264997
>And nobody would call Steins Gate woke
True I would call it shit instead.

>>713276332
bald n gay was a fluke. stop being gay wokie

>>713276461
>>713275284
also you being polarized by milquetoast liberal ideas like "we should be nice to everyone" is a direct result of your world lens being exclusively based on 4chan idpol lmao

>>713275859
Partially, but the left/right arguments aren't new, the progressive / conservative divide has always existed and most wokies are unknowingly neo communists. Progressive ideas gained ground during our upbringing and we still have this lingering idea that lefties were smarter and university educated while conservatives were idiots who were selfish and wrong about everything. It is only now we are realising that even liberal ideas we take as foundational are kind of retarded and have contributed to the destruction of western society, this realisation and disillusionment with liberalism would have happened with or without the woke cult.

>>713276072
you are a retard
>>713276186
yeah that's why i said he's uppity retard
this shit wasn't unique he gets in spazzes every day that's why i have him muted on xitter

>>713276258
>capitalizing pissrael
You don’t need to keep proving my point golem, go back to your masters and tell them to make you less retarded.

>>713276332
>non woke studio makes great game
>Woke publisher forces them to add woke to an an already great game
>we did it wokebros
Woketards can't create.

>>713276332
can't you see tits, pussy and have sex in that game?
also, can't you kill gays/bissexuals/women and beings into inter-species/interracial?
is that really woke? I'd say it's just "degenerate"
anyways, is that the exception that proves that
>go woke get broke
isn't common?

the mass maga suicides when trump dies is going to be so funny

>>713276731
nigga there's an obvious difference between some shoehorned guy for diversity vs studio/artist pour their heart and soul into those queer characters

>>713276461
>>713276567
It didn’t, you just need to say that because you can’t argue your point. You tried saying I was ignorant to it but failed so now you’re going with this.
>also you being polarized by milquetoast liberal ideas like
You’re trying your absolute best to avoid the topic while acting like that is exclusively liberal idea.

>>713276818
why do leftists browse a right wing site. do they admit browsing one full of leftists is retarded?

>>713276602
>and most wokies are unknowingly neo communists.
naw most are just liberals, they want racial/sexual equality for all, unless they're an enemy of US military hegemony. they'll turn any blind eye to things they criticize republicans for if it's their guy who is in power. it's why peaceful protests are still the go to means of "resisting" because if neo commies were as large of a group as you pretend they are, we'd have much more organized action that's more than just shouting slogans and getting beat up by the cops

>>713276818
ill be happy when jeet lover zog dog donald dies

>>713260643 (OP)
It's somewhat of a cope but woketards get real upset when you say it so it's great.

>>713276537
That’s not art, there is nothing of any substance in it, just cynical bullshit and greed. I literally pointed that out when I brought up corporate advertising.
>people still consider it art
Ad populem.

>>713276916
what you are gonna do about that, CHUM?

>>713267458
It takes time dude, many games that were in development in the early 20s are still not out, hence the long time it takes for a fad or cultural element to fade away.

>>713276870
>what happens when artists pour their heart and soul into queer characters

>>713268112
>Didn’t those Redditors tank teslas stock
yea it tanked because the leftists in blue states started burning and painting swastikas on teslas

>>713276916
oh sweaty

>>713260643 (OP)
>I can't think of a single game that would have succeeded if it weren't 'woke.'
That's because those game would have never been made in the first place. They were propaganda first and games second.

>>713277194
>leftists believe fox news now

>>713276731
>non woke studio
lmfao be delusional some more

>>713276780
>also, can't you kill gays/bissexuals/women and beings into inter-species/interracial?
Same in The Outer Worlds 1 and 2. Stop moving the goalposts. This is why GWGB is dishonest cope.
>anyways, is that the exception
It's not an exception. The Last of Us 2 also sold well. (And The Last of Us 1 was woke to begin with), both Nu-God of War games sold well. Hogwarts Legacy is supporting a tranny hater but is woke as fuck inside it. So on and so forth. The industry as a whole has a lot of flops and the industry as a whole is too woke for /v/. That's where the dishonesty comes in.

There can never be a serious discussion on this when people aren't using the same definitions for what qualifies as "woke". That aside, its mostly just a giant confirmation bias, goalpost moving, culture warrior plastic-toy-sabre rattling bullshit confirmation. People just make up whatever is necessary to frame it in the way they favor.

"Wokeness" is a factor that can at best, negatively affect a game. If it was a fantastic game aside from the wokeness, the wokeness bits only bring it down a few points , if its a shitty derivative game without concern of wokeness its going to be worse with performative wokeness bullshit (ie Dustborn), especially if they go out of their way to suggest the game is great and/or is only not selling because of evil chuds or whatever the hell. Its not a new phenomena and works the other way too - Night Trap was not a great game in any sense of the word, and leaning only on its controversy for being too sexy or gory or whatever didn't make it amazing. Hatred leaning only on its edgy not-school shooter simulator isn't going to make it a huge compelling game with deep systems and complex characters instead of a meh isometric shooter.

>>713276904
I still believe you were ignorant, as your stance now is completely and totally cultivated by 4chan as of 2016. so unless you're less than 10 years old, you did not think or act like this until you came here. It's a common thing here, old games with woke ideology are given a pass because more often than not, the people here who seethe over every brown person and white genocide weren't poisoned by here to be a reactionary moron

>>713276916
proselytism
it's an ongoing raid making the same threads, time and time again
they've been trying make people "forget" about "woke" for a more than a year now

>>713276916
On 4chan, all are equal (Anonymous) and those with "power" are caretakers (jannies). This is fundamentally left-wing.

>>713277015
>cynical bullshit and greed
speaking of that most of renaissance artist were treated like very skill tradesmen because they did exactly what church or the patron told them to do
la pieta was display of skills not passion or love

keep peeling the layers and you'll be left with nothing but dust

>>713277194
That pic is almost 20 years old now.

>>713276916
Because this isn't your safe space

>>713276916
>why do people keep invading my safe spaces - person whose ideology decried the existence of safe spaces
every time

>>713277115
bg3 artist also did that

>>713277304
based and redpilled as fuck

I'm glad Walking Dead Season 1 managed to make it just past the line. It was 2012-2014 that brainrotted /v/ with this shit. Goes without saying something like San Andreas would have had endless shitposting the moment the first trailer came out and everyone would be tired of the threads about it before the game even came out.

>>713277292
Nice cherrypicking xis. Larian wasn't woke before BG3.

>>713277292
what goalposts? I just explained that it's not exactly woke, more like "degenerate"
it sold because it's a good game and sex sells
if Stellar Blade had full frontal lesbian sex and killable gay characters, would it be woke?

>>713276602
> neo communists
Cultural marxists, or western maoists if you prefer. They’re behind about 75% of the bullshit we see today. They have been slowly building themselves up for decades. This is a Wikipedia link before they altered the page saying it was an “antisemitic conspiracy theory”
https://web.archive.org/web/20111208120949/http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

>>713277115
god what i would give to rape the chick in the middle after i slip some her some roofies

>>713276916
4chan was a leftwing site until newfag /r/thedonald rapefugees came here after that sub was closed. The "leftists" you're noticing are oldfags

>>713260643 (OP)
Because all of those games that failed could have spent their budget improving rather than hiring consultancy firms and doctors of bixnood representation.

>>713277304
You have no idea what my stance is or was, I’ve said nothing to indicate any clear political stance or allegiance outside of not liking woke and idpol shit. You still have yet argue how I’m wrong or give an example of it.

>>713276029
yeh i guess, the whole cat girl thing I could kinda understand where that comes from but furrys do seem to strongly drift towards cartoonish representations, so yeh what you're saying makes sense

>>713275406
pedos make sense to a degree that someone could just be born attracted to under developed girls as a result of genetics. the more i think about it the more i think it's kids who really strongly attached to a female cartoon anthromorph in their early years i guess. Makes even more sense considering how much overlap there is with autistic kids and Sonic character fetishization. i do remember hearing girls were mental for TMNT for that turtle dick which surprised me

i wonder if there's any correlation with a lack of a mother figure

I'm so fucking tired of leftists constantly trying to gaslight people on this issue. They're the ones who coined the term "woke", but now they pretend it never actually existed, and it's just something made up by normal people to attack them. Motherfuckers, I'm not going to let you change history while we're still fucking LIVING it. This was your retarded hill, now you get to die on it.

>>713277528
It's a bit more complicated than that. But to put it in simpler and fully honest terms, finding a leftist in 2010 /v/ was completely normal. So, yes, oldfags are more likely to be leftists. Myself included. (Fuck you, 2007 is oldfag now)

>>713276946
all wokies complain about capitalism, love unions, call for equity and deny that inequality is the result of individual difference in ability, its always the governments job to correct for unequal outcomes. This doesnt even go into the deeper levels of historical materialism and obsession with class (which then morphed into identity) conflict, the guy I was arguing with in this thread was doing exactly this by stating failed marriage is the result of economic issues and not cultural.

>>713277514
Have some standards dude

>>713277607
>I’ve said nothing to indicate any clear political stance or allegiance outside of not liking woke and idpol shit
if you think someone can't sus out someone's opinions on a subject despite you CLEARLY OUTLINING it multiple times you're even dumber than I thought previously. an impressive feat.

>>713277528
Does it ever bother you to spew propaganda that you know is untrue? Let's also not pretend that the milquetoast liberal of the mid 2000s isn't far right today.

>>713277292
>The Last of Us 2 also sold well
not as good as they wanted, and it being woke did more harm than helped
>And The Last of Us 1 was woke to begin with
nope? they made Ellie gay in a DLC

funny, you seem to know the meaning and agree woke to be a thing when it's to prove that it sells

>>713277624
BG3 is woke
CO:E33 is woke
Hogwarts Legacy is woke
The ones gaslighting are you.

>>713277359
> la pieta was display of skills not passion or love
I know you have to be dishonest just for the sake of arguing but at least you could pick shit that isn’t considered to be masterpiece due to the level of care was put into it made by people that didn’t piss off their patrons.

>>713260643 (OP)
When a game developer company goes "woke" it changes everything. It changes hiring practices, how they make games and what kind of games they make. And it changes the studio culture. When you allocate resources to woke shit it means at best it's been a waste of effort that could have been spent on something better and at worst, which is usually the case, it actually just makes the game worse.

>>713276916
>why do leftists browse a right wing site
I dont think they do, their beliefs are so stupid even when i engage with them i have the suspicion that they are a bot or are fishing for (you)s

>>713260643 (OP)
Unity is the best Assassins Creed game, but only if you played it after it was all patched up.

>>713277681
So you still have nothing and can’t give an example of how I’m wrong and are just doubling down on crying im ignorant despite not knowing me or what I know to cope.

>>713260643 (OP)
the reason "woke" games are bad is because they are made by woke people
woke people have no interest in making a good game
woke people are also by woke companies, not because they are skilled but because they have the "right" opinions or the "right" race/sex/sexuality

>>713277743
then you agree that woke is an actual thing that is being pushed?

>>713277448
Bullshit, you have
>conventionally attractive white woman
>conventionally attractive red (white) woman
>weird green woman who is the most attractive of her weird species
>conventionally attractive white male
>other conventionally attractive white male
>third conventionally attractive white male
>conventonally attractive blue (white) woman
>conventionally attractive black male (terminally boring)

>>713277624
Because the leftist version of woke is being aware of inequality and injustice
The new version is a nebulous term that means black people and women in media (unless said media is successful)

>>713277743
>The ones gaslighting are you
lole
nice try woketard

>>713265862
and managed to get millions of chuds to buy woke propaganda

>>713260643 (OP)
I was interested in buying DA Dreadwolf, I didn't buy DA Veilguard

>>713262390
>>the Jews did it
Literally the far-right and the far-left's answer for everything.

>>713277893
The leftist version of woke is being unable to define the term "Woman" and standing in solidarity with populations that want you dead.

>>713276818
the mass troon suicides when literally anything happens are hilarious

>>713277323
this is right wing on an internet space in the current age
>>713277413
>>713277427
rent free disorder

>>713277323
>and those with "power" are caretakers (jannies). This is fundamentally left-wing.
working for free?

>>713277853
Gay people, trannies and leftists are woke and many game developers are gays, trannies or leftists. It's hard to make a game that doesn't somewhat reflect what you are on at least some level unless it's the most utterly simplistic game ever.

It's especially impossible for games to not be woke when all it takes to create a /v/ controversy is for it to have a tranny flag somewhere like Tactical Breach Wizards.

Ultimately, the anti-woke movement is people being mad that developers aren't like them.

>>713267373
Admittedly the guy wasn't worried about it getting woke, he wanted AC3 to be a modern day thing exclusively with Bush and Obama and other real world figures of the time involved in the Templar / Assassin plots, and it was seen as too conspiratorial. I kinda think think that had it happened, given what we saw afterward the QAnon tards would be posting (more) shit from the game (they actually sperged out about that bit taking about the fake Phoenix Project vs the real one from... what was it? AC4? Rogue? ) with all the
>HOW DID THEY KNOW?! AC DEEP STATE UBI LEADERS LEAKING THEIR PLAN FOR JEWISH SPACE LASERS TO FAKE GLOBAL WARMING BECAUSE OF VR
nonsense, so maybe it was a good idea. At the time, it was seen as way too current and conspiratorial, especially if you would have been on a kill teams sent by Cheney to assassinate Obama or some shit.

>>713277843
we're just going in circles anon, I'm bored of you, go seek negative attention from someone else

>>713262991
>Hogwarts Legacy
trannies were constantly crying about this game for being transphobic
also part of a massively popular old IP, made by a woman who hates trannies
>Kingdom Come Deliverance II
only sold because the first game wasn't pozzed
>The Last of Us II
the same
these games are all coasting off things from the past that weren't pozzed

now post a pozzed game that is a new IP and sold well
>uuhhh concord? dustborn?
yeah those games flopped, sis

>>713277964
This but unironically
BlackRock guy is a jew

>>713277694
Prove to me you're a newfag without telling me you're a newfag.
4chan was overwhelmingly anti-republican and anti-conservative. At times we skewed libertarian with things like weed, but on the whole hated conservatism. Then gamergate and /r/thedonald collapsed and this place has been a trumpjeet hive ever since.

>>713260643 (OP)
It’s a cope that grifters use to moralize their audience.

>>713277964
>literally everyone on the political spectrum now agrees it's the jews
Huh, things are starting to look up.

>>713276729
>illiterate thirdie

>>713278178
And the "left" of the mid 2000s is still the "Right" of today. Case in point, the suffix "fag" would never fly with today's sensitive political left.

>>713277609
Fetishes usually start through exposure/addiction to porn.
Personally I didn't have weird tastes until I discovered my incest fetish at like 17. I guess there are deeper psychological reasons for it but what it really comes down to is seeing the right art at the right time.

>>713276637
retard

>>713278105
>It's hard to make a game that doesn't somewhat reflect what you are on at least some level unless it's the most utterly simplistic game ever.

this used to be the norm
see >>713273568
>pride and fall
satanic

>>713278178
>we got swarmed!!!
everyone became right wing dude. the social justice movement was that cringe

>>713277762
>considered
yeah we are back to the starting point
i know a lot more about art history and artist than you do
la pieta was display of skills by 24 year old Michelangelo and it was commission by the church.

>>713260643 (OP)
Forspoken would have done decently if it had a Final Fantasy coat of paint instead of being about a half black woman who switches her weapon by changing her nail polish

>>713278146
So? He's far from the only idiot pushing the DEI fad.

>>713276035
KC2 is the least woke game in the last 10 years

>>713278137
>only sold because the first game wasn't pozzed
most people didn't care about cw shit in first game
and a lot of people didn't even play the first one

I am happy the farms showed that the best way to deal with woketards is doing them and archiving everything they do.

remember that doxing them is the way. also dox their work buddies and any connection they have.

>>713278376
then what's your argument?
games that took 12+ years of his life were some elaborate Jewish prank

>>713278519
internet slacktivism at it's finest

>>713278178
Remember when Obama oppose same sex marriage?
Remember "fuck you I won't do what you tell me"?

the amount of leftists here is actually a lot less. i really think a lot of them died after the trump election

>>713278519
can null do 5 push ups?
and what happened to all the money he collected to get nick rekita tapes

>>713278378
>this used to be the norm
That's the thing, anon, it didn't.
Mass Effect had gay sex and the only people that cared were the pundits on tv afraid of what it could to do children.
Fallout 2 and Vampire: The Masquerade had some lines making fun of republicans.
Grand Theft Auto. San Andreas is ultimately about the black perspective and more anti-cop than anti-crime.

The only difference is
1) The politics weren't nearly as divisive there, we didn't have the tranny issue, for example. The issue at the time was homosexuality and 4chan didn't really have any stake in it one way or another.
And more importantly
2) /v/ and the internet at large wasn't radicalized by culture war bullshit. The only culture warriors at the time were tumblrfags, Kotaku, Neogaf and Anita Sarkeesian. Now, it's everyone. There's grifters on all sides.

>>713273832
Deus Ex

>>713277694
>Let's also not pretend that the milquetoast liberal of the mid 2000s isn't far right today.
Truth. The political position that made me a leftie rebel when Dubya Bush was President somehow make me a far-right chud today.

>>713278618
>when we do it, it's the Long March Through The Institutions™, when you do it, it's Slacktivism®

>>713278750
Mass Effect didn't have gay sex until 3.

>>713278764
That's libertarian. It would be considered right wing conspiracy game today too.

>>713278767
are you comparing the control of modern institutions like university's and media creation to posting on kiwifarms? get a grip bozo

>>713278887
You got those positions through social subterfuge. The point stands.

>>713278454
He's got money, makes him a lot more influential.

>>713278830
zoom zoom

>>713278975
if that's social subterfuge KF posting is anti-social subterfuge

>>713279042
Anon you're thinking of Dragon's Age, Mass Effect was straight only until 3.

Deep down, anti-woke grifters hope that a game is “woke” since they’d run out of material for their grift. They and their followers are perpetually unhappy.

>>713279052
The original post was about doxing you, I don't know why you're so hung up on KF. Oh wait, they probably doxed you or one of your fellow trannies.

>>713278861
No, cyberpunk is a leftist genre

>>713278562
he makes games for far longer than you are alive kid, don't shitpost about things you have zero knowledge of.
Trump won
you lost

>>713277298
>people aren't using the same definitions for what qualifies as "woke"
i mean just use their own words and actions, it's the academic "theories" from the social sciences and the changes it seeks to specifically male entertainment in our case here

>>713279150
So that makes both of us then, huh? Or are you here for your health and not to be mad at the internet?

>ik political spectrum
>it's chuds, rw guys and far lefty troons
when in reality most people exist between L2 and R2

>>713278861
>nigger is leading the illuminati
hmm yeah very libertarian

its real and anyone who says otherwise is legitimately retarded, how do you explain this

>>713279150
So devs should outsmart the anti-woke grifters by and just stop making woke games. Then those grifter chuds would have no more content left.

>>713279123
anon
female on female still counts as gay

>>713279179
>you lost
what did i lose?
i liked KCD2 and i liked trump (until whole elon jeet fiasco )

>>713279150
leftists calling everything a grift is a guilty confession

>>713279320
read
>>713266446
>>713267104
>>713268062

>>713264557
There's two trannies in cyberpunk though.

>>713279150
Yes, but also, the thing is that actual politics is only part of the cancer. Half at most, maybe not even a third.

The truth is that /v/ grabbed this anti-woke bullshit to shitpost more easily. It's TORtanic on steroids. And the jannies are to blame. Threads like these where the OP is explicitly culture war bullshit to begin with? Ok, whatever. But if jannies cracked down on retards that went to threads that were obviously intended to discuss a game for real and derailed it to be about politics, this board would be so much better.

>>713278993
He's also hardly the only billionaire who threw money at the DEI trend. They always went with D because addressing the E or the I would cost money and cut into profits. Turns out in hindsight many businesses lost more money in sales due to giving customers the D than the E or I would have cost.

>>713279173
Someone post the pic about the Cyberpunk tabletop where groups fight each other.
>>713279257
It directly critiques globohomo and ultraliberal uniparties.

>>713279320
because they spend 250 million bucks on a shitty pirate game?

>>713274006
Its obviously disney shit, the same way moeshit led to a generation of pedos and trannies.

>>713279173
left-libertarian genre

>>713279329
Anon you STILL couldn't do that in Mass Effect.

>>713278105
The fact is that hiring untalented and unprofessional people based on their race/ gender results in worse games.
Trying to dispute this or deflect by calling gamers bigots just makes you look like a dishonest retard.

>>713274006
Cool it with the antisemitism and homophobia

>>713279463
>muh jannies
fuck you people are more annoying than political fags

>>713278724
Body cam will drop in 2 more weeks trust the plan.

>>713279651
Ok, but even popular indie games are filled with leftists, trannies and gays. Among Us is happily pro-pride. The Celeste developer trooned out. Roadwarden's dev openly hates chuds. I recently played One-Click Bosses and Squeakross and both games had pride flags on them within the first 20 minutes. So on and so forth.

The average game developer is leftist. And that's what the anti-woke movement is ultimately fueled from. There was a schism of radicalization somewhere in 2012-2014 and /vpol/ doesn't like that developers are not on their side in general.

>>713279257
When did libertarians ever care about race?
They just want the government to stop wasting money and fuck off.

>>713278671
>i really think
lol no you don't

>>713260643 (OP)
You've basically worked it out OP. When I see people here talking about wokeness ruining games I just assume they're underage. Games already went to shit like an entire generation before wokeness started

>>713279917
I love how leftism has entirely abandoned all economic positions. Leftism is about trannies and their dicks, and how gay you are.

>>713279846
police cams
VOTE IT UP

>>713280000
you were giving a look of contempt whilst scratching your neckbeard as you typed this

>>713280039
whereas rightism is about dying for israel.

>>713278105
This is why there's already a shift to asian games underway. It's unsustainable when most of the audience are straight men. The western industry will continue to downsize and shrink more and more into irrelevancy. A small woke corner in a broader global gaming industry.

>>713280039
Anon, why are you blaming leftism on that?
Look at the people that get mad if they see a tranny flag somewhere and start calling people leftists out of that.
The battleground was chosen by both sides.

>>713279917
are you sure that being pro-"mainstream" isn't either at least marketing tactic or a survival one trying not to be "cancelled"?

>>713278392
>cant argue point
>can only harp on one word and ignore the context after it
How do you do this? How do you come here and do this shit constantly for years and still fail to learn even the most basic rhetorical skills?

>>713280178
this gotcha is so pathetic. you were a nazi if you criticized israel before

>>713280178
There needs to be a third position... What could it possibly be?

>>713280039
they are always about more taxation and regulation, though
with all the gibs they can give

>>713280307
rightoids have always worshipped the juden.

>>713280234
Because aren't you supposed to be "Above" being dragged into pointless conflict. You're a visionary after all, here to lead us into a progressive future. Why have you instead decided to fight for minority issues forever that ultimately serve no actual goal? How are gays marrying going to unshackle the proletariat?

>>713278301
Oh look the golem is mad that his showing respect for pissrael outed him.

>>713280332
>with all the gibs they can give
this is funny because red states are literal gibsmedat states

>>713260957
>what the BUY lol.
No one supporting trannies or niggers or communism buy video games, you trannyniggerred.

>>713280304
well you don't anything about art but here you are discussing all it merits and demerits

>>713280234
>if they see a tranny flag
is it being waved by something that resembles a human semi-naked showing it's parts in a parade?
or by a preachy annoying character in a video-game telling my about his sexuality when I just want to finish a quest?
and aren't both the Left's doings?

>>713280214
>This is why there's already a shift to asian games underway
The actual big shift is that China is now a part of Steam, and as such Chinese games are huge successes where the vast majority of their playerbase is Chinese.
For the record, this is objectively a good thing even without taking culture war bullshit into account. More diversity of developers and perspectives can only benefit us consumers. The Chinese haven't really released any game I'm interested so far, but I have no doubt it's coming. And same for India, for that matter.
Nonetheless, the idea that the average western gamer is only gonna be playing chinese games because muh woke is yet another dumb /vpol/ delusion. You see what you want to see.

>>713280236
Anon, please. These people post on bluesky, some of them have cut their cocks off. Enough with this delusion that people are secretly based but they feel hecking oppressed by leftist friends. This is obviously cultural.

>>713278134
We’re not, you’re trying to but I’m just pointing out how you’re wrong and can’t argue. But I’ll throw you a bone and give you a game that does what I’m referring to. Fallout 1, it’s a game that doesn’t have any one idea being presented as right and instead has the player choose and judge things themselves.

>>713262068
kek

>>713279917
Indies also have a much lower bar for success. And how many explicitly woke indie games fail for every success they have?

>>713280507
cool, we both agree that socialism is bad

>>713275308
>group that calls themselves inclusive is willing to 100% disown someone over their opinion on a single issue
>group that the first group calls exclusionary is willing to extend some acceptance to someone who holds a similar opinion on a single issue
Heh.

>>713280572
>You see what you want to see.
Indeed. And I know where i'd put my money.

>>713280675
>And how many explicitly woke indie games fail for every success they have?
The problem with this logic is that you can apply it to every game in general.
How many games, indie or otherwise, fail for every success they have?

The answer is 99%.

>>713260643 (OP)
You tell us by investing all your money and effort into making WokeShit and see how your dev studio fares, apparently we haven't had enough data points yet.

This year we've had Avowed, AssCreed: Shadows, Lost Records: Bloom & Rage and South of Midnight so far that I can remember. We've still got Fable, FairGame$ and a few others to go.

>>713280570
>is it being waved by something that resembles a human semi-naked showing it's parts in a parade?
I don't think I've ever seen a game blatantly have its characters waving a tranny flag. Every time, the devs just lazily slap it on a wall or in a picture frame or as a cosmetic or something. There could be some indie game where that happens, but I refuse to look for it and give it attention if it does exist.

>>713280552
If i didn’t know anything why is it that you couldn’t argue about Michelangelo being at odds with the church despite saying that “ treated like very skill tradesmen because they did exactly what church or the patron told them to do” when he didn’t and there was a whole scandal around it.

>>713280507
... Isn't New Mexico a blue state and has been for some time? Same with Virginia.
>2004
WHAT IS IT NOW

>>713280397
right wingers were the original critics of israel

>>713266761
>Progressivism (or "wokeness") isn't inherently bad. When done well, it's a positive force. The issue arises when it's done poorly or solely for the sake of ESG points.
I think when it comes to most things people wont hate on it if it done out of genuineness, even if they disagree with it. I think there will always be exceptions and presentation is key, people have accepted more and more things as normal overtime.
anons and other people won't decry a game like G-string which to boil it down is about patriarhcal elements within korean society mostly because of the presentation

>>713266761
everybody is a conservative anon
the "progress" has to eventually stop
or things like ending up adding another "P" to the LGBTQQIP2SA+ will happen

>"Woke" has become a meaningless term that's often used to describe anything someone doesn't like
ah, you're just a leftard
you really want to push that shit, eh?

>>713280987
>I think when it comes to most things people wont hate on it if it done out of genuineness
I got further radicalized on /vpol/ by the shitposting Relooted got.

An indie game made by South Africans about wanting to reclaim their culture from western museums. You go to their steam forums and it's an absolute wasteland of shitposting. I don't understand how people can't have empathy. They are literally making their own games and they still won't be left alone.

>>713280743
like i said in the post removing gay shit won't make them 9/10s
if you are replacing the woke shit with bland writing of same quality

>>713281240
Their history was saved from bonfires and rubble piles. Maybe stop being a gutter country.

>>713281218
>you really want to push that shit, eh?
no not really i would prefer studios have free to make whatever they want

i think i am a centrist because

>>713281486
because i agree with some ideas on both sides and am not that radical

>>713281473
Alright, and now they're making an idealized version of the future where they can celebrate their culture in their own continent. How is that not genuine wokeness? How is that not understandable from their perspective? How is that still "MUH WOOOOKE" shitpostville?

>>713281240
>their history
The team is like half white.

>>713281240
>I got further radicalized on /vpol/ by the shitposting Relooted got.
if im reading what you're saying correctly, than yeah there will always be exceptions. There will always be people especially on this site whose decrying of "wokeness" really boils down to "im racist and a misogynist"
that being said I dont really have a horse in the race of stolen art and all that and dont really know anything about it tbqh. I just dont get why people who dont know anything choose to spout on about that stuff

>>713281240
because that's the point
fatigue
happy people don't do revolutions
everything must be shit for everybody

>>713281473
do you think there's such a thing as genuine wokeness

>>713265602
>The people working on it being woke is what make those games shitty.
Say it ain't so.
>>713281316
>if you are replacing the woke shit with bland writing of same quality
So why is the writing Bland/Shit? Example 1.

>>713281574
>their
The team is still half white. Making a game about brown people looting is just funny, and was treated as funny. You are not owed respect.

>>713281486
>no not really i would prefer studios have free to make whatever they want
And this is why you are against the anti-woke shit. These people hide behind not wanting censorship and wanting freedom of expression and all that, but ultimately, they are trying to influence developers to make stuff that aligns with their political beliefs. Tranny flag? Not buying your game, telling you I'm not buying your game, advertising to as many people as I can that they shouldn't buy this game, and so on.

>>713279207
>their
That's just it. Some will claim something is woke because of nigger fatigue or whatever bell-ringing nonsense , others have more sane definitions like outright censorship for fear of social media whiners etc
>academic theories
Much of it is the same shit that has been rehashed by the same empty headed types since they railed about 'cultural bolshivism'. These days its broken pieces of what rightoid youtubers get their panties in a bunch about., ad nauseum.

You do realize that dealing with a subset of feminists angry about tits in games is nothing new, right? It has nothing to do with whatever bullshit these 'thought leaders' are spewing about TEH CULTURAL MARXIST PLOT,; most of those feminist types aren't leftists acting for economic change, they're just pushing for a variant of faux-progressivism. Remember how for awhile it was
>feminazis
>SJWs
and other shit before, until the rightoid fags decided they could pull in the tourists on their side right at the time when Occupy arose, policies like those pushed by Bernie Sanders became more populart - this is where the youtuber faggortry started with
>Oh yeah censoring games is bad, now let me tell you about the plight of the white ethnostate and how we need to fight teh communists secret plot controlled by teh joo (but not the israeli joo) and anything that threatens big business is bad!
Hell, do you think Steve Bannon's whole project , after running a grift chink goldfarming operation for MMOs, was for no reason? He decided he could weaponize lonely angry nerds and others followed suit.

Do you think it was convenient that overnight people started to be very worried about
>leftists
which had nothing to do with economic policies but had to do exclusively with obnoxious troon bullshit? This just so happened to coincide with the largest cancerous metastasis of redditor and gamergate faggotry arriving here as proto and election tourists? Come on now.

>>713260643 (OP)
Going "woke" is just an attempt to polish a turd by being "culturally relevant". The game is already bad, this is just an attempt to cater to the politically progressive audience by doing that in hopes you get some pity purchases. Games that are good can absolutely be woke, but nobody cares because the game is actually good.

After the success of Stellar Blade, which is kinda mid, and other games because of T&A now the attempt to polish a turd will probably move back to "sex sells" and then 10 years later it will probably be "cultural relevance" again.

It's just going to be a pendulum swinging back and forth.

>>713281486
>free to make whatever they want
like not including minorities and being critical of the left?
without doxxing, threats and the like, right?

>>713281573
what do you agree with the right?

>>713281641
Example 2.

>>713281637
Yes, I also don't think that being genuine makes you unworthy of derision. There's "Genuine Qanonism" too, it just means you are an even bigger sap than the grifters.

>>713281576
And the team is half black. And White South Africans are Africans too!

>>713281669
>it's ok to be woke and vocal
>but you can't be anti-woke and vocal

The newest game by shadow tactics devs killed them, so yeah.

>>713281728
Example 3.

>>713264997
Ruka isn't a tranny, you fucking tourist. Play the fucking game.

>>713281240
More white guilt propaganda. Cool that the black devs are having fun making it but why should anyone care about that? The game is still a tool used to indoctrinate people about muh colonialism we wuz kangs.

>>713281823
Example 4.

>>713281706
>is just an attempt to polish a turd by being "culturally relevant"
they also get DEI/ESG credit

>>713280871
>the left is true facts
>the right is a billion different conspiracy theories
heh

>>713281728
Addendum.

>>713281798
Anon, in 2012, I was here making fun of Kotaku and Anita Sarkeesian along with everyone else. They were mad that you could have big boobs or that in Hitman you could kill hookers. I was among like minded people telling them to make their own games.

It's now 2025. They make their own games. And hell, I play some of those games and enjoy them! After all, I love indie games, and most indie developers are leftist.

The anti-woke movement bitches about these games, spams these games up, makes tiresome culture wars out of them.

What is their reaction when I tell them to make their own games rather than bitch that other people are making games they don't like?

>>713281752
This. Act like a retard, get laughed at. The true believer retards get laughed at the hardest.

>>713281987
I think that anon is saying that it would be better to be bland without being woke, and the games would not become 9/10s without the wokeness anyway

but I'm not sure

>>713281706
>will probably move back to "sex sells"
we already see this its just done in less overt forms.

>>713281240
The artifacts in question were saved from the fucking retards doing a "revoloution" which involved destroying the past, this has happened so many times now, its why there is so little to show from these places, they keep doing this, they do it to eachother even. Every time some spastic warlord takes charge they immediately start looting the museums and cultural sites, because they have to destroy the past to replace it. People seem to think that the British just went around stealing shit for the hell of it, the places they were taking stuff from was to put it in a place where it will be protected.
>give back some crown to African shithole
>its immediately lost, years later turns out it was now in the hands of a private collector, and the government sold it to him
We only have knowledge of historical cultures in Africa because outside parties fucking saved the evidence. They run the risk of literally wiping their own cultural footprint off the chart at this point. So I say, give them their stuff back.

>>713282292
Game is set in an idealized future where this isn't an issue
>NOOOO, IT HAS TO BE REALISTIC, YOU CAN'T DAYDREAM IN YOUR GAME

>game made by a chud
>includes AI porn of his preteen daughter
why are republigroomers like this?

>>713282057
funny, the left does a lot of that in your pic
but failed to do that to him

>conspiracy theories
yeah, it's just the big capital pushing the minorities down, somehow
not that you would ever read any other stuff, right?

>>713266162
Woke has become a buzzword used by terminally online redditors to decry gamers because they think we don't like black people.

What it really represents when it was started was to express dissatisfaction with preachy, DEI-marketing-for-investors style writing. It's when games aren't made for people but instead USAID funds or Larry Fink dollars, so they make every sterotype token imaginable to get as much diversity points (as in literal point-graded diversity systems) as possible for the most money so they can turn around to investors and say "look how progressive we are!"

Leftwing spaces are so desperate for authoritarian validation that they latch on to these superficial shows of favor no matter how damaging it is to those minorities.

Meanwhile everyone else is just tired of being preached to like it's evangelical boomers crying about violent video games for the billionth time.

>>713278298
Except for the normal people in the center, the silent majority that's gradually getting louder.

>>713282246
>the games would not become 9/10s without the wokeness anyway
Well, obviously they wouldn't as long as you have a bunch of diversity hires and color-haired Tardwomen or even worse creatures writing and developing them instead of a group of hyper-motivated Male autists.

>>713282398
youre the most miserable in the thread

>>713282379
Anon there's nothing to believe what you've just said, you're just making shit up. Hell, even if it was, why does that make the game immune from being laughed at exactly?

>>713282168
What happened was the infiltration, sabotage, and replacement of old game devs instead of both types of devs co-existing. I don't care about gachaslop, I'm talking about Western devs like Naughty Dog who went from Jak 2 to The Last of Us 2.

>>713260643 (OP)
It's fake as fuck. The video game industry is more profitable than ever. Those libertarian types that pushed don't actually know anything about economics.

>>713282492
The silent majority gradually getting louder is saying "Nuke Israel."

>>713264586
Hello polish retard how's your transition going?

>>713281879
poor oppressed white dudes...

>>713282168
point is the industry as a whole is still doing what Anita preached
you are the complaining about me complaining about it?

Even Stellar Blade's devs tried to censor their game
the community complained and they uncensored (most of) it

>>713279257
Meritocracy over race is very libertarian.

>>713282590
>Hell, even if it was, why does that make the game immune from being laughed at exactly?
I was replying to an anon that was saying that people don't mind wokeness when it's genuine. I brought Relooted up because it's genuine wokeness from an indie team in bumfuck South Africa, and it still got a ton of controversy. The thread was followed by multiple anons making fun of the game and saying they don't care if it's genuine or not.

You have proven my point for me. We're in agreement. This anon >>713280987 is wrong.

Companies have used the culture war to shield their cost cutting and attempts to turn the medium into a formula that can be mass produced on the conveyor belt

Its better to be labeled woke because people assume its some leadership or government subsidies that caused such a short coming. A public mass firing of those "not pulling their weight" or "self serving or ulterior interests" here and a rebranding there and people won't think twice to give you another chance for another rugpull

Repeat ad infinitum.

>>713260643 (OP)
The point is woke devs make shitty products. Gay shit and ugly women are just surface level red flags for a deeper rot.

>>713269212
>Undoing most everything the feminist culture warriors churned out by academia have spent the past decade(s) crusading against in media.
The picture in the post you responded to was Respawn Entertainment doing exactly that.

>>713281823
>>713281987
Gee, I wonder what happened. I can't quite figure it out...

>>713282648
>What happened was the infiltration, sabotage, and replacement of old game devs instead of both types of devs co-existing
Except it's /v/ turning on all the old devs because their politics change with time and they are all inevitably pro-tranny.

>>713282751
The industry is doing what they want. Why don't the anti-woke make their own games?

>>713282783
Anon that doesn't imply anything about the artifacts being from a world where they weren't saved from bonfires in the first place.

>>713260643 (OP)
>>713281641
>>713282891
In conclusion.

>>713282893
The old devs are out of the game and have been replaced by new-devs. All the oldies got pushed out by corporate ages ago, you rat.

>>713260957
The LGBT side says "Orange man bad"
The Chud side says "I hate minorities"
They both repeat this endlessly and NEVER SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>713282948
Oh, I get you.
No, it doesn't, that's still the same. The point is that this is now a game set in a future Africa that can take care of those artifacts and wants them back.
>B-b-but they aren't entitled to them
Sure, and I'm not entitled to a big boobed anime girl titfucking me, but I still play games where that happens cause gaming is about fulfilling fantasies.

>>713282893
>Why don't the anti-woke make their own games?
Like Stellar Blade?
Also, can't I as a consumer be vocal about the things I like and don't like?
Are you pro-ESG and pro-DEI because they push your agenda?

>>713264997
>>713265370
>le based trad non-woke gigachad "normal" 4chan anon is actually a repulsive, hypocritical degenerate
LMAO every single time. You fuckers are a riot. Just peak, coping subhuman losers.

>>713283024
Brian Fargo, Josh Sawyer, Tim Cain (Gay, btw), Leonard Boyarsky, Todd Howard. The list goes on and on. How many time has /v/ turned on devs because they didn't change their politics the same way /v/ did?

>>713282057
What is a woman? Can you give a definition?

>>713282689
Huh? The Leftists haven't been silent at all, they've been calling for a second Holocaust ever since they went masks off after Oct. 7th.

>>713283061
if only video-games were not that political anymore... you know, like >>713273568
you know... non-woke
a shame

>>713282891
>>713282956
Remedy Then.

>>713283153
Gone, gone, gone, gone, not a game developer. All of these people have been ousted.

>>713282735
Who's saying we're oppressed? I just hate you people and see your propaganda for what it is.

>>713283080
>Like Stellar Blade?
Sure. I just hope you start focusing more on these games you like rather than crying about games you don't like being made. Because ultimately, trying to bully developers to make things you disagree with is no different from what Kotaku and Anita Sarkeesian do.

>>713282735
>white folks arent oppressed

>>713283228
Remedy Now.

>>713281641
>>713281728
>>713281823
>>713281987
>>713282069

This is about as much value as watching some ResetEra fag do the exact same thing you're doing cataloging "problematic" people on social media claiming that games are bad because of chuddy techbro fascists or whatever the hell, or Anita Sarkeesian types posting about big ol insensitive men working on a game that represent all the girls as huge tit bimbo princesses to be saved.

A better question would be to ask yourself if somehow these people just magically had no jobs in the gaming industry before they supposedly came into these development studios and had such power to "ruin gaming". These people aren't studio heads and in many cases the studio heads and publishers from back in the day are the same or at least similar. So who was it that hired these people and put them into a place to change these games, as opposed to previous projects?
>but but but ESG! DEI! TEH EBIL BLACKROCKERINO WOULD FORCE EM
That shit has never been true on any level and there's a whole separate issue there, but instead of some big conspiracy, why not just recognize that the megacorp publishers and studio heads used "wokeness" as a fad, no different than MOBAs or WoW-style MMOs, in the hopes to make more money and - like the past - a lot of shitty knockoff late comers faceplanted because they didn't have anything new or anything people wanted. However it wasn't some big evil banker that made them do it, it was typical line-always-goes-up capitalism where they figured
>well gee, people seem to really give a lot of shit about this social justice wokeness stuff. Okay, fine put it in the game. We only sell the game to a handful of nerds, what if we could also get all the minorities and women, plusa people who claim they'd buy our game on xitter if it wasn't so heckin problematic!
Now of course in doing so they undermined what made the games good in the first place, but it was typical greed to expand markets

>>713283218
I'm saying the "silent majority" is both left and right now. You're the dumb kike coping with
>but muh fencesitters
Tick tock, jew boy.

>>713283250
What the fuck are you talking about? Literally just go look them up on Mobygames.

>>713283065
Your fantasy is to be some gay art thief who steals African artifacts to get back at whitey?

>>713283263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax3s6Atf1fQ
I just wish the woke could just create instead of corrupt

>>713283340
None of these people control their original studios except fucking hypeman howard.

>>713283383
Anon, you're missing the point. The fantasy of the devs is to get historical artifacts in their own continent where they can reclaim their culture. Quit kvetching and deflecting. What's wrong with this? Why are South Africans not allowed to want this?

>>713283312
Anon would it frighted you to know that many companies were literally mandated to hire certain percentages of various ethnicities and sexes?

>>713283153
christ other than Todd Howard those are niche as hell devs

>>713283491
They're allowed to do it and we're allowed to criticize and mock them for it.
Why are (you) trying to defend their honor so hard?

>>713283218
What the fuck are you doing here, Shlomo? I know you've got a genocide to continue so you can get that real estate in Gaza and are trying to trick Americans into dying for Israel in Iran. Where do you find the time to shitpost ?

>>713283312
.

>>713283662
Ok, so you agree with me. This anon >>713280987 is wrong.
It doesn't matter if wokeness is genuine or not.
Thanks, that's all I wanted to hear.

there's not a heigh probability that these lib shit women will be replace with some talented guy because these big publishers strangle all the creativity out of them for pennies
truth is most art fags are libs
and
they are the only ones willing to do dev work for shit wages

>>713283312
and

>>713283768
>heigh propability

>>713278305
>4chan is a rightwing site
>It's a lie to say this place used to be left leaning
>OK maybe it was leftl eaning but it must have turned slowly rightwing with culture right?
Not beating the newfag allegations. You assume we must has turned rightwing with culture because that's what happened to you and you're a newfag who didn't browse here pre-2016. It was not gradual. It did not happen over time. It basically happened over the course of a single month. Believe it or not, we didn't used to have 80% rightwing politics threads. We basically never even talked about trans people until summer 2016. Not only are you trumpjeets rapefugees, you've gotten so comfortable you can't imagine not having always been here.

>>713283327
Oh, so you're making things up. Typical leftist.
>>713283742
And double posting too. I'm here forever, just like you.

When game devs will start having white incel protagonists randomly rant abpout the age of consent and how they must save EVROPA by constantly crying about trannies, all in games developed by random retards picked from RPGCodex and consulted by Grummz approved Based Antiwoke™ companies, all while anyone resembling a leftist is marked as a leper and purged from the industry with stupid reasonings, then MAYBE the scales will be even.

>>713283312
ok, just one more

>>713281641
How it started.

>>713283970
2012 was Anita Sarkwhatever and yes that effected /v/ a lot.

>>713281641
>>713284137

>>713283970
Yeah, the 2012 reaction to Sarkeesian grifting was just Trump getting elected. Wait that was Obama. This place turned "right-wing" when the left got into power and became the censorious niggers they are to this day. Or do you think everybody loved and sung the praises of his holiest Obama after Bush got ousted?

>>713278178
Look at the current state of the industry and tell me which political side utterly swamped the entire medium with /pol/-level ranting retardation

>>713284068
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Moishe.