Thread 713286602

Why does it take Nintendo so long to host a new .iso of a Gamecube game that they completely own the rights to?

>>713286602 (OP)
It gives the marketing team a way to pretend they are doing something month after month

>>713286694
This. It keeps fanboys always looking forward to the next nintendo announcement since there's always one right around the corner.

I wonder if it'll be possible to transfer the Pokemon to Home.

they gotta save some content for year 2

>>713286602 (OP)
At the very least they could have had more than three fucking games available at launch.

>>713286602 (OP)
So that when subscriptions start to dip, they can strategically release new content to get people to come back

>>713286879
The Gameboy games aren't even on NSO, you think GameFreak would ever give consumers an option to play better games?

well first of all the have find the iso
then they have to upload it

>>713286602 (OP)
>Switch 1 wasn't strong enough to emulate gamecube
what the fuck happened

>>713286880
This

>>713286879
Even back in Bank some of the Pokemon from Coliseum and... it's sequel made the system flag them as invalid and rejected them until you deleted certain moves.

While HOME can take care of that itself now and just change the moves/abilities as needed, given the Orre games have never been referenced by GameFreak in any capacity (not even in Masters EX) I wouldn't hold out hope on it. Closest we have to Orre acknowledgement in 2025 is Niantic keeping Shadow Pokemon around.

Intentional to keep you coming back to the service and to make the service seem as if its getting new content regularly.

I think a better question is some of the stuff that is missing. All those Microsoft/Rare games and no Diddy Kong Racing style? No Smash 64? Should we expect no Melee for the same reason? Then there's the question of the Pokemon RPGs. They went out of their way to make them compatible with the modern games on 3DS which is why I think it makes sense why we haven't seen the GB/GBA Pokemon RPGs. The GameCube RPGs are a weird side thing that wasn't developed by Game Freak themselves so I wouldn't be surprised if those don't have any sort of connectivity to Home, but it would be nice if they did.

And then the BIG big question is if we'll ever see Animal Crossing

Kinda weird to think I just downloaded Switch 2's entire Gamecube line up in 10 minutes

>>713286602 (OP)
Because their shitty emulator stolen from Dolphin code has to run it fullspeed while looking (for untrained eyes at least) correct first.

Because spacing content makes more sense marketing-wise, since it keeps people coming back over time.
If you drop 12 games at a time, people will likely check 1 or 2 then leave.
If you instead drop 1 every month, people are more likely to come back and check that specific one each time.

>>713287403
>stolen from Dolphin
proofs

>>713287319
the lack of smash 64 is very strange cosnidering wii, and wii u (in japan) had it

Melee will never come to this thing and get official online play and thats a good thing because holy fuck nintendo's netcode sucks

>>713286602 (OP)
Artificial scarcity
Makes you focus on the ones they released and more likely to buy them since there isn't much else, then you can get "hyped" with the reveal of the next game you can buy

I was a Cube user during this generation, but I really didn't play many of the big franchises. And when I did they were in a vehicle lol. F-Zero GX, Double Dash, and Starfox Assault got alot of play. I couldn't figure out how to play Kirby Air Ride properly. I was either all over the fucking place or last. Filtered by a 1 button game... But id like all of these added.

I'd like Gotcha Force added, because I do think it's fun, the soundtrack is kinda mad assy though. And I'd like to see it's effect on the retro market. Same with Cubivore. Throw Fire Emblem POR in there too, retro niggers on suicide watch.

Killer 7 I'd like to see. Grasshopper and Capcom are obviously still around so it's very possible. The PC remaster is excellent (once you select 4:3 in the options) but I grew up playing it with a GameCube controller. Introduce that shit to the modern audience tm.

Since FromSoftware is dropping an exclusive, why not add Lost Kingdoms 1 and 2? The original Nintendo Fromsoft Nintendo exclusives.

A lot of cool games could find their way on.

>>713286602 (OP)
Chibi Robo is the very best Nintendo franchise ever and we need more games or the old games, whatever. GIVE US CHIBI ROBO

>>713287512
>buy
Those a "free" games that come with NSO subscribtion

They have to add multiplayer online support even though it's complete garbage. They fucked up having to include that. Probably slowed down additions by 2000%

>>713287506
Good. Leave room for some other titles.

>>713287506
Did they even add Smash 64
to NSO?

>>713287506
I have been asleep for the last month. How bad is the current switch 2 online? Thank god there is slippi.

>>713287665
Isn't the new chibi spiritual successor from the original Devs out literally next month?

Probably dead on arrival sadly.

>>713287617
por is coming

>>713287457
I think they're intentionally avoiding Smash because the service has online multiplayer but by the nature of the way it's done and Nintendos dogshit online, it'll be basically impossible to get a good connection. That's fine if you're playing, I dunno, Mario Golf, but the moment you get people trying to play Smash 64 or Melee online with each other, there'll be a massive negative reaction.

>>713286602 (OP)
Why the fuck would you pay to have a worse experience when the free option is a million times better?

>>713287283
>Closest we have to Orre acknowledgement in 2025 is Niantic keeping Shadow Pokemon around.

I thought that Niantic sold their gaming division?

>>713287617
So far it's seemed to have made just a small dent on games released
Fzero has gone down about $10
Wind Waker went down seeming $20 but it was where it was the month prior, so likely a negligible few dollar decline
Soul Caliber 2 went down about $5, where it was the month prior
Many of the high cards are either fans of a series or going for full physical gamecube collection so I dont' think it'll be this huge impact

>>713287897
NSO games are the issue since they fake online multiplayer by streaming the entire game to fake local play.

>>713288336
Nintendo is so cheap it's unbelievable.

>>713287283
>Closest we have to Orre acknowledgement in 2025 is Niantic keeping Shadow Pokemon around.
That is so bizarre, I kinda wonder if they didn't like Genius Sonority touching their ip.

>>713287006
i thought red and blue were?

>>713288514
For awhile. Orre Pokemon are still "distant land" but Sword/Shield added a custom title for Shadow Pokemon.

>>713287006
They’re on 3DS already thoughever.

>>713288336
Fucking really? And they charge for this shit but they can’t be assed to host dedicated servers? Are you kidding me?

>>713288664
They kept the ribbon though from their games right?

>>713288514
I don't think they dislike it, I think it's just not their own baby and not part of the modern canon (which is true of everything pre-Mega at this point).

Also if you want to be technical, you could argue they acknowledged the Orre games when they gave all ribbons the ability to give the Pokemon a title in Gen 9 (Scarlet and Violet).

Any earned ribbon lets you add a title to a Pokemons name, each ribbon has a unique one. There are two ribbons specific to the Orre games that are still recognised, and their titles are "the Triumphant" (for the National Ribbon which is given to anything that is purified in Colo/XD) and "the 100x Victorious" (for the Earth Ribbon which is given for beating Mt Battle in Colo/XD).

>>713287457
Its not strange at all, Smash Ultimate is still out and its going to stay for the next decade. They cant eat into their own profits by offering alternatives.

>>713289067
There's absolutely no way that's the reason they haven't done Smash 64. MAYBE Melee, but 64?

>>713287283
Gamefreak eventually gave back most if not all Pokémon their special moves they got from these games anyways. Togepi got tri attack back in Gen 8. Magmar and Electabuzz got follow me back in Gen 9. Baton pass and helping hand became TMs so those Pokémon that had them got them back like Hypno and Zapdos.

Do you think we'll ever see Animal Crossing?

I feel like it's one of those they'll hold off on forever because they know it's HUGE and will cause an influx of new subscribers/returning subs etc. And that's before you consider the fact the game itself has emulators of its own literally built into it for the NES games and whether that would need special attention or cause issues.

I'd fucking love portable AC GC though man

>>713288514
If they did they wouldn't have let them make the games in the first place. Game Freak lends out the Pokémon license more than most other franchises in the world. And the leaks showed they still remain involved with work on spin-offs, like Sugimori helping design the region in Masters.

>>713288968
Yep. It's a shame the Orre games probably won't be Home compatible since they won't want people abusing cloud saves to clone endless Lugia. It would have been nice to be able to get those ribbons again legitimately.

>>713286602 (OP)
That's literally how any subscription service works. If they put everything at once you'd just binge through it and unsubscribe.

>>713286602 (OP)
Given how the three available games run so far, they're probably prioritizing fixing things first and then making sure there's nothing wrong with anything else they add.
N64 was like that too but it's long been resolved mostly, I'm guessing they don't want a PS+ Classics situation where they throw a bunch of games up all at once and then need several years to fix all of them. Legend of Dragoon was the worst one so far, and it's still broken to an extent three years later. https://youtu.be/LNenMUdikc8 Makes no sense when Sony already had a working emulator for PS1 and PS2 games all those years ago, but I guess they threw those out after moving Playstation to California.

>>713287927
shit, YES...but I even forgot the game's name. Switch 2 port when?

>>713287319
I know for a fact that DK64 is under some legal issue with Jetpac and the ZX Spectrum emulator used. The Spectrum was pretty much defunct up until a few years ago when some new company bought the rights and started making mini consoles for it, and for whatever reason are trying to enforce ownership over the usage of the emulator.

>>713287617
From has never been big on re-releases for whatever reason, they've only done it a few times pre-Souls, but Lost Kingdom honestly has a shot at gaining popularity both because of the developer and because it's a deck-builder. Zoomers love their deck-builders

>>713286602 (OP)
If they don’t drop Sunshine very soon for the Summer, I will be pissed.

>>713287058
It was powerful enough, 3D All Stars confirmed it, although Nintendo's emulator is shit. They just know they needed something for the Switch 2. It's exactly like the 3DS not getting SNES support but the New 3DS did, the 3DS can absolutely run SNES.

>>713287283
>Niantic keeping Shadow Pokemon around
Hard to say how canon that is since Shadow Pokémon are called two different names in Japanese for Go and the GameCube games. Normally I'd say that disproves the connection but Niantic is an American company so maybe they did it intentionally but the Japanese translators missed the reference.
But the Shadow Mewtwo in Pokken has the same title in English and Japanese so I guess that was intentional.

>>713288514
I think it's as simple as they just forget those games exist most of the time. It's not like they were super popular even when they were new. They're mostly remembered for their unique atmosphere.

>>713287897
>How bad is the current switch 2 online?
Works fine as always for Switch games, Mario Kart World plays perfectly fine too. NSO is just bad for online in general, too much input delay.

>>713290737
I bet they're holding it until September for the Mario 40th anniversary. So stupid, I want it now.

>>713290737
>>713290980
Should've bought it when you had the chance. Even works with the new NSO Gamecube controller.

>>713287006
Nintendo drags these releases out to keep subscription numbers up. I think we'll see gen I get put up next February. That'll be the 30th anniversary of Red and Green, just like how they got put up on the 3DS eShop on the 20th anniversary.

>>713291092
This is the most retarded game price ever
It's cheaper to buy all three for their original systems, and you only need a Wii to play the last two

>>713286602 (OP)
Can't have everyone playing their whole backlog and then cancelling their sub (or downgrading to the basic tier for smash or whatever) after a month.

>>713291365
>This is the most retarded game price ever
>It's cheaper to buy all three for their original systems, and you only need a Wii to play the last two

It's more convenient to have 3D All Stars.

>>713288075
An hour later and no (You)? Sorry about that!

>>713288336
what?

>>713286602 (OP)
they have to tweak the emulator per rom since it's not perfect, and they have to make sure the whole thing is playable from start to finish
do they even bother with changing the button prompts to match the switch?
they could be doing a lot more

>>713293150
>they have to tweak the emulator per rom
lol

>>713288075
Another deck owner with nothing to play but Nintendo games.

>>713291092
I did but but I chose to flip them, honestly it's just kind of neat to have once in awhile on Nintendo hardware. If I really want to play a Gamecube game, I'll play it on my PC.

>>713293150
>they have to test like 4 settings to see which is stable even though it's all just stolen Dolphin code and Dolphin compatibility is heavily documented
What? Why would that matter for more than 5 minutes?

>>713286602 (OP)
Dripfeeding then ensures subscriber retention. Enjoy being treated like cattle, rentoids.

>>713293860
>haha you play nintendo games on superior hardware... for free!
It sure fucking beats paying 30 bucks just to play a tiny selection of ROMs on a laggy piece shit emulator cobbled together by random fresh grad euros and jap boomers who despise the very concept of emulation.

>>713286602 (OP)
The Switch 2 is a full priced early access beta
for the switch 3.

Just like the WiiU was a full priced early access beta
for the Switch 1.

They're pretty much crowdfunding their next console,
and using this time to polish it, without telling anyone.

Look at how fast the PS6 was announced before the PS5 had any games.

Doesn't Wind Waker being on GameCube NSO basically kill Wind Waker HD ever coming to Switch? Will the "when are Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD coming to Switch" crowd finally stop?

>>713296423
>Doesn't Wind Waker being on GameCube NSO basically kill Wind Waker HD ever coming to Switch?
Maybe but they do have that Pokemon Rescue Team DX game but Red Rescue on the GBA NSO, there's a chance that they do it anyway. They really should, I know some people don't like the graphical changes and the bloom but I thought it looked pretty good, there's room for both art styles.
>Will the "when are Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD coming to Switch" crowd finally stop?
They'll probably do it with the Switch 2, they have more overhead to be shitty with porting it over with the fast hardware.

>>713294767
>>even though it's all just stolen Dolphin code

>>713297029
>citation needed

Dolphin is GPL licensed so Nintendo legally can't use it. This explains why their own emulator is so shit, they can't just borrow the one which exists. Apple and others have been sued and lost for things like this.

>>713286602 (OP)
it's because it's subscription based, if they release every game from the get go, people will just play their favorite game once and then unsubscribe when they're done, but if they slowly drip you games you'll stay subscribed every month to play all the new additions.

>>713297029
>>713297136
See >>713297208
If Nintendo just shipped Dolphin and called it a day, they'd have to release any improvements they made publically (doing emulator work for free) and credit the devs at the same time, and that would be absolutely embarrassing for Nintendo.

>>713298297
They're just hiding it like they always do and claim it's proprietary. It's the same shit israel does with their nukes.

>>713288514
>That is so bizarre, I kinda wonder if they didn't like Genius Sonority touching their ip.
Look up “Manabu Yamana” in the archives and you’ll find your answer. I can’t believe this many anons don’t know the truth (the ones responding to you)

>>713291320
I think Pokémon will just be a standalone app. Pokémon™ - Nintendo Classics. They can solve pretty much all hiccups that way.
>compatibility with Home
>some custom way to facilitate online trading
>17+ app for Europe and their stupid fictional gambling laws
>no save backups, rewind or suspend points

>>713298401
>switch 2 hack comes out
>autist discovers dolphin code
>nintendo gets hit with gigantic lawsuit

>>713290842
If you really want to split hairs Go's Shadow Pokemon were said to be created one if its Rocket admins so they may not even be the same thing as the Cipher Shadow Pokemon.

If you had 40 golden eggs, would you sell them at once?

If you sell one now, and keep 39, it may appreciate in value.

It’s called marketeering, it is illegal.

>>713288785
That's because there they could charge more for pokemon than literally any other GBC VC games, they won't add them to NSO until they find a way to charge extra for it

>>713286602 (OP)
Because people who aren't subscribed to the service aren't checking the game list to see if there's something they want to play, so it just goes ignored and they never sign up, but monthly trailers with the new dripfeed can get some people to sign up

>>713286602 (OP)
need a lobby system, I wanna be able to play SC2 with randos dammit

>>713296423
You can only play gamecube NSO on S2 so there's a chance nintendo can just port these games on S1 to make s1 owners and HDfags happy

I own those games. Well, except for Chibi-Robo.

Sonic gamecube games would be great on the NSO

>>713286602 (OP)
We should definitely get at least one new game per month. I’m hoping that July is Sunshine.

>>713286602 (OP)
Gamecube rollout is going to be rough for sure. There's less than 50 first party titles, and god know's what 3rd party games they can pull the rights to.

>>713305191
I agree. I need Billy Hatcher too.

When the original Super Monkey Ball comes out on this I will never play anything else.

>>713291092
lol I have a copy I bought on release and opened and I started playing again recently, really didn’t think it would shoot up in price.

>>713286602 (OP)
>Already blew their 16:9 load by releasing GX and SC2 on day one
>Now what's left is 30fps locked games with the ugly NSO borders forced on the side instead of just fucking black
Monkey pawed as fuck, if anything at least Wii will be exciting when that gets added in 3 years

>>713286602 (OP)
To "justify" stringing dimwitted consoomers along into coughing up for that juicy nso subscription
Fuck Nintendo

>>713286602 (OP)
The concept behind is that you buy a game and play it for a bit, then buy a new game

It's just standard scam stactcs

>>713287927
What spiritual successor what?

>>713306830
>Forgetting SA1+2, Melee (they did have the original on the wii u vc, so who knows?), Crazy Taxi, Super Monkey Ball, Mario Sunshine, Double Dash, Resident Evil 0 and 1, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess
>Honorable left field mentions including Ribbit King, and Lost Kingdoms
I'll admit they definitely started strong, but there's plenty left
That said, I'm still not getting a S2

>>713306830
hopecope: the reason they started with 16:9 games is so they have more time to mod it into the games that don't have it!

>>713307939
im retarded i meant to write what's left is 4:3 WITH the borders, not 30fps. i dont give a fuck what the aspect ratio is i just hate seeing the forced NSO borders, im excited to see what gets put on there but why cant this cuck company let me not burn my tv in

>>713308045
Since ai is the hip and trendy thing for everything these days, I'm sure they're implementing that towards that and more, for better or worse
>>713308159
They're too busy trying to provide you a PrEmIuM gAmInG eXpErIeNcE

>>713286602 (OP)
I can already play all of these on my deck

>>713308351
>Since ai is the hip and trendy thing for everything these days, I'm sure they're implementing that towards that and more, for better or worse
Not sure if you mean using it as a coding assistant to help create widescreen hacks (sure, i guess) or having it generate the missing sides of the screen in real time (totally non-viable)

>>713286602 (OP)
It's strategic releases to max the fan algos.

>>713308458
I had no real aim with the intended use, but yeah, more or less.
It sucks, because what appears to be a renaissance of gamecube games is the ONLY reason I'd consider getting the S2, but I'm still not getting one

>>713306298
You ever make it to Master? I couldn’t do it. I beat the second game though.

>>713308415
Nice, can you Switch to the Gamepad screen and use the touch screen on Cemu? I sold my Wii U awhile back but I've been wanting to play Wind Waker HD again.

>>713287828
>inb4 they're not allowed to sell ssx tricky because the license for 'it's tricky' is too expensive or some fucking bullshit

>>713309432
You don't need a gamepad for this since the Zelda HD games have a "Pro controller mode" that removes all of the touch screen shit

>>713309708
Yeah that's cool and all but I did like having the inventory and map on it. Is it at least possible?

I'm not getting the switch 2, but as a smashfag, I'm curious what the difference would be in input lag between the pro controller and the nso gc controller

>>713287058
Which is fucking weird when the WiiU could handle gamecube just fine through wii mode, 100% compatibility.

>>713309142
I mean yeah, dolphin's right there.
I got NSO+ hoping that SC2 would have a little revival, but no, it's just playing with friends. Which I probably should've expected.

>>713288336
You mean like parsec? Is that confirmed? Interesting if true, though I'm not sure I believe you.

>>713288418
?
Hosting a cloud instance of the game and streaming it to clients would be more expensive (and more performant) than having players run the game on their own hardware and play with regular delay-based netcode.

>>713288827
>dedicated servers
Price-wise, that would be exactly the same as dedicated servers.

>>713287058
It is strong enough, Nintendo just wants you to buy the Switch 2.

>>713309957
That's because it had Wii hardware inside it which had GC hardware, it wasn't emulation

>>713309957
They were getting ready for the inferior, but more lucrative switch online, but switch couldn't run gamecube
Please understand

>>713310171
It can't even do rewing for the N64, it probably can emulate GC but not ideally

>>713288548
Nope, up until know there are no mainline pokemon games on the switch online catalog, legally speaking all the classic gb, gba, ds and 3ds games are permanently stuck on their consoles (with exception of that cristal and classic games they sold or gave away in the 3ds eshop)
Only stuff like stadium, tcg and that tetris rip off are on the switch library.

The only gamecube game worth emulating is PSO, and maybe soul calibur. Bing Bing Wahoos sneed not apply.

>>713309929
Input lag is the same bluetooth shit as Switch1 for both S2 Pro and the new NSO GC, so it's nothing even comparable to 3rd party chink shit like 8shitdo.
Now you may be thinking, what about wired connection? And it's usually more laggy by a frame, I have no idea how the fuck they did it but there you go, nintendo seal of quality.

>>713286602 (OP)
I can't wait until it gets the superior version of TTYD.

>>713310127
>hoping that SC2 would have a little revival, but no, it's just playing with friends. Which I probably should've expected
Hey, weapon master mode alone gives a bit of replay value, then going through all the modes is great too
>>713310364
Yup, sounds about right. Just another sign of the great decline

>>713310127
>I got NSO+ hoping that SC2 would have a little revival, but no, it's just playing with friends. Which I probably should've expected.
I thought so too but I saw so many people talking about "oh shit, I can finally play F-Zero online this is so cool" I thought that they maybe had rooms you could join like a lot of emulators do or something, but this is just friends and sucks. I don't have friends that give a shit about the gamecube anymore, I just want to play with randoms but can't.

>>713287006
probably why smash isn't on there either. Game Freak just being jews.

>>713310831
>Hey, weapon master mode alone gives a bit of replay value, then going through all the modes is great too
It's fun. They should offer a version with a full save file with everyone unlocked though, I'm sure there's people who just want to play with their friends without needing to unlock all the characters and weapons.

>>713312051
Nah, that's a modern thing
Part of the fun back in the day was unlocking everything and everyone

Hire fans lmao.
They know about proper preservation of video games

>>713295138
Switch 2 is more powerful than the Deck though...?

>>713305191
I don't think it'll happen, Sega just got rid of their various classics collections except for Origins, Adventure 1 and Adventure 2. Can't buy any of them digitally and the ones that relied on updates or connecting to a server like their Genesis app ended service entirely but the ones for Switch are still available, thanks Nintendo!. They either don't want to license out any more roms again or they're gearing up to do another new set of them to sell for the new generation.

>>713287006
>better games
LMAO

Gamecube games running at 1080p are not far off modern games, so they're hesitant to give out a ton of them at once. They want them to feel special because they don't want to devalue their new releases. If they just dumped all their GC games on NSO I could totally see some kid who never had a gamecube just playing those and never buying a new switch 2 game.

>>713288075
>Why the fuck would you pay to have a worse experience when the free option is a million times better?
What do you mean by a million times better? Switch 2 is running it at the same resolution the steam deck displays at. It's basically the same.

>>713299013
Imagine a reverse lawsuit KEK