is the mmorpg genre dead?

It's more alive now than ever

The WoW ui shows facts and doesn't change randomly.

>>713337509 (OP)
>Literally what is this
Easy to read shit on a screen, as opposed to where a bloke can say he's a woman

>>713337583
how? at the very least the small amount of new releases have been pretty lame.

>>713337928
>small amount of new releases
That's exactly why

>>713337509 (OP)
The type of people with a MMO setup like that are the ones most likely to be trannies dumb twitwhore

>>713337583
What MMO is alive rn and isn't streamer bait like WoW? FFXIV shat the bed.

>>713337509 (OP)
Pronouns aren’t confusing, I simply refuse to dignify them

>>713337509 (OP)
>bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro
someone fucking nuke america, please

they were always just excuses to hang out with friends online
kids now just do it in mine crap or roblox or whatever they play these days

>>713337509 (OP)
It just stopped beeing a "next big thing" same a MOBAS, Cod like FPS, 3rd person shooters etc.
It's a cycle of fashion

It's clearly a dogshit ele shaman that isnt using chain lightning on an aoe boss when he isnt haste capped from bloodlust (used unoptimally here) or elemental mastery and didnt even use fire elemental totem with his procs when they clearly have a demo lock already in raid for sp buff.

>>713338229
The demo lock buff is unique and stacks with other SP buffs, it's why they were so in demand in the first place.

I don't care, I play as a bear and use six buttons, that's it.

>>713337509 (OP)
>Logic VS Anti-Logic

>>713338363
Not with ele shaman in wotlk specifically except maybe in first tier if the lock is still in blues maybe their sp isnt high enough to beat the 280 from totem. And half the classes give the crit bonus the totem gives as well imppssoble to not have in 25m.

>>713338493
the only other class with magic crit buff is moonkin, which are rare as shit, and there's a good chance the lock buff won't have 100% uptime so wrath totem serving as a fallback is still worth.

>>713338804
All crit buffs are the same in wotlk theres no spell or melee crit anymore, so chance of a demo lock not critting once is nigh impossoble as well unless again theyre in blues I guess.

>>713337583
>>713337509 (OP)
Who could play these
I know when I was 15-18 I could play these till night since they're free and I had tons of free time. MMO certainly aren't for adults with a job due to the amount of time sinks, at least back then. Zoomers would probably just play Fornite and Fortnite clones.

>>713337583
>wow dead for years
>xiv shit the bed with their newest xpac
>niche mmos playerbase still dwindling
>last big project mmo closed down after a year
>chrono whatever and vindictus remake are not looking too well
>ashes of creation still in development hell
it's dead, jim

>>713337509 (OP)
im not paying 13 dollars for a month and then have to go to an external website to cancle my subscription just to do boring story quests with dragons that sound like queer indian people from berlin or hamburg.

>>713339102
>MMO certainly aren't for adults with a job
But they are the only people who can afford it.

RIOT WILL SAVE US TRUST THE PLAN
LMAO

>>713339657
Their mmo is abandonware by now.

>>713339657
cockgobbler still working on it?

>>713337509 (OP)
Pantheon is doing well

>>713339013
>odd model art
many such cases with wow drones

>>713337509 (OP)
>pronouns are confusing
nobody ever said that
they're mental illness

why do leftists always misrepresent things

>>713337509 (OP)
>what is this
information, that is real and parsable
this is numbers autism and situational awareness of multiple things at once, which people enjoy and is quite natural to their brain
do you know what isn't natural? trying to forcibly alter 2, 3, 4 decades of inherent language learning and ingrained subconscious patterns - even if we ignore that it is factually incorrect within the language, i'm still not putting this kind of effort in for almost anyone on the planet, who do you think you are to deserve that kind of conscious continual effort to literally restructure their brain by forcibly repeating endlessly things that your brain recoils at you saying becuase it knows it to be wildly incorrect from its decades of growth on anyone elses part just because you want to be a linguistic retard
why do people not comprehend this basic shit. i don't care about your idiot shit, i am simply not going to put that kind of time and energy and effort into altering my language and continually subject myself to having to gaslight my own brain for decades before your shit stops making it recoil everytime i say it, goddamn

also yes mmos are dead, they will remain dead, the audience for them now sucks dick, has no standards, wants anti mmo stuff, but will continue paying endless subs for no effort on the devs part
its over

>>713337583
This is only true if you care about korean,chinese and japanese gacha MMOs that they pump out every year that all look the same with action based combat

>>713337509 (OP)
There are just too many titans in the arena for anyone else to make a splash. Everyone's hope is the likes of WoW and FF14 stumbling so badly other smaller projects get more attention. Did FPS die because it boiled down to Call of Duty, Battlefield and Counter Strike?

>>713339167
sunk cost fallacy, my man

>>713339657
The biggest cope in gaming

MMORPGs were never meant to be popular. WoW is designed for antisocial solo players who cringe at the idea of roleplaying and being social. The genre isn't dead. It's back to where it belongs.

>>713341360
Riot fanboys been clinging to "trust the plan" harder than bitcoin bros in a bear market. At this point "their MMO will save the genre" is just hopium-coated copium. We’re never getting it, and if we do, it'll be some neutered Reddit-approved e-sports skinwalker with gacha systems wearing an MMO hat.

>riot card game died
>everyone is dogging on the new fighting game
idk about these odds riot bros

>>713341970
Just because you never experienced it doesn't mean it didn't exist.

>>713337874
Sweaty spotted. lmao Blizzard is deleting all your addons. Now you have to play the game properly without mechanical assistance. lets see how good you really are.

>>713343889
addons are working just fine on private servers :^)

>>713346060
I am not using addons because I like them but because I am forced too, otherwise I will be kicked from groups because I will be playing at a disadvantage.
Disabling addons for everyone creates an equal playing field so I support it.
But I doubt it will happen, all the big guilds heavily rely on addons and blizzard would never anger their best paying customers.

>>713339178
>Hamburg
The indians here hate fags with a burning passion.

idk, I've only ever played RO. I still do...

Always werido when people say mmorpg are dying when the older ones still have millions of people playing them

>>713337509 (OP)
yeah you don't like them anymore so they're dead

>>713350878
They also played the game for 1000s of hours for years then say the game is dead. Like I know I got like 10k plus hours in ffxiv but it’s not my only game, I just know these retards don’t take any breaks from the games they play

>>713339102
I like how everyone uses this as an excuse but plenty of adults with jobs were playing just fine back in the day.
>>713339657
Riot shitslurpers unironically believe this will ever release, they cant even release that fighting game so what makes people think they can release something on the scale of a MMO?

>>713337928
The genre is so alive it doesn't need 50 new versions popping up every couple years. There's a handful of titles to choose from and pretty much all of them have been thriving for 10+ years. You don't need to keep making new ones if the old ones are still making money. Go back to your action adventure copy/paste genre.

>>713337509 (OP)
the addons only show true information

>this is the best MMORPG of 2025

How did the French do it?

>>713351082
ugh this game is so dead bro it's so boring what the fuck what are they even doing i've played a mere 8 hours today and yesterday and it's like... man i don't even wanna go for another hour after that? they've really fallen from grace. mmos are dead

>>713351591
Have a feeling people want to go back to the late 2000s and early 2010s when a ton of shitty Korean MMOs were coming out every few months and when that’s not sustainable.

>>713351664
>Actual class system that isn't just mage/rogue/warrior
>turn-based so people actually relax while playing the game
It's that simple

>>713337509 (OP)
where are the XIV threads? I wanna talk trash about that game. That's how dead the game is now?

>>713337509 (OP)
nobody has expected a random person in public to ask what PvP rotation they use

>>713338030
>streamer bait like WoW
What a turnaround that's been
I remember early on wow was considered complete anathema to streaming and struggled to get any views at all relative to the size of its playerbase, and now the opposite is the case
What changed?

>>713338804
>there's a good chance the lock buff won't have 100% uptime
bro the buff is 45 seconds long and just needs a single pet crit from a class that gets a shitload of free crit for its pet from talents
other than extremely, ludicrously unlucky openers, that shit is gonna be up 100% of the time

>>713353281
XIV threads are getting immediately pruned by WoWjanny even when there's a liveletter broadcast going.

>>713337509 (OP)
verily

>>713351664
most bot infested MMO award

>>713353281
do you ever think about how mentally ill you are?

>>713354179
What's mentally ill about wanting to talk about something? Isn't that what you're also doing here, anon?

>>713353889
It's odd. Especially stuff like raid to world first is getting high viewercounts, and people also love a lot of the (forced) drama that Hardcore Classic brought.

I can't imagine it's younger audiences coming in though.

>>713354236
>wher r the xiv bait treds i wanna shit my pants about the mmo that broke my buck for the 9th time today because it lives in my head rent freeeeaaaaa

>>713353281
nobody wants to risk a 3 day vacation for "creating a general" (i.e. making a thread of a games jannies don't like) for
>an entire thread of blizztroons coping their game isn't pozzed as fuck
>failed /xivg/ avatarfags attention whoring
there is nothing of worth to be found in 4chan xiv threads

>>713354109
that goes to runescape

For me it's Albion Online. MMOs without real PvP are boring.

>>713337509 (OP)
It might as well be, look at Chrono Odyssey's play test, it's absolute shit

>>713354318
Sometimes you can find fun conversations on there.

>>713337509 (OP)
they were proto-mobileshit. social media ruined internet ineractions forever thanks to droves of normalfags flooding everything and only playing with friends. (((codes of conduct))) and (((muh toxicity))) further buried the genre
either way no skin off my nose

>>713339657
It's going to be an extremely mediocre mmo but people will celebrate it as the second coming of Jesus because it's Riot

>>713337509 (OP)
Don't you guys have phones?

>>713354425
Just wait a few months for the next UE5 asset flip p2w kMMO.

>>713337583
There's not a single recent or interesting MMO that has a good playerbase.

>>713354647
>Just wait a few months for the next UE5 asset flip p2w kMMO.
Oh, so Aion 2, got it

>>713354682
You don't like Amazons literal slop MMO?

>>713354318
not entirely true, but mostly true
when the avatarfags are too busy in xivg and the blizzard troonies are asleep, there can sometimes be good, productive conversations

>>713339102
rpgs are made specifically for adults. all you have to do is paypig out so you can skip the grind and get your "pimped out toon" straight away goy

>>713354318
>it's the wowchad's fault that hivvies are so insecure they can't help but reply to bait
least devoted yuckshit-piss cultist

Modern MMOs are online singleplayer games. Even the big MMOs could drop to 10k active players and you would barely notice it in-game.

>>713354682
Older MMOs with a moderate playerbase are better anyway.

wow was always shit

>>713337509 (OP)
HUH CLASSICNIGGAS?!?! YOU GUYS TOLD ME WRATH WAS PEAK WHAT THE HELLY

>>713337509 (OP)
good game with anime art would save the genre. anime art for style and to allow focus on game more than graphics

>>713355957
Dofus did it

>>713356151
i just hear about dofus in this thread. looks interesting but is it fun?

wow need a graphic update
cant take games seriously that have painted on gear

EVE online is still the best (real) MMO but it filters people and doesn't have very interesting PVE gameplay. Though it's very multibox centric but you can manage multiple accounts and basically play Homeworld at home.

>>713339657
just like their fighting game?

>>713355957
Why aren’t you playing mabinogi then?

Funnily enough people that use pronouns are the ones who would understand that image the most.

>>713356459
>multibox
discarded

also post gameplay

>>713339657
Riot can't even save their released games

>>713356213
please understand
small indie company

>>713356204
it's fun if you like clicking things

>>713356680
>also post gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrJLgoz4K-A

I dont get the logic behind this comparison.

>>713354396
agreed. the only reward i want from pvp is pvp. everything else is secondary and only a means to enable more pvp
was looking forward to ashes of creation but all the anti pvp systems makes it a hard pass

Someday I will start playing Albion Online. Can you still highroll here? I remember that the main point of Albion was that you can highroll solo and take all loot. Like in eve but more accessible and easy way.

>>713353889
They played on servers filled with other twitch streamers playing on hardcore so viewers cared less about the WOW and more about the eceleb cross overs and seeing who might die next or get their teammates killed.

a real nigga made a single player MMO and i've been playing that

>>713337509 (OP)
Obligatory.

>>713359149
black grimoire?

>>713339657
A Riot MMO would be so terrible just because of the moderation

>>713359331
nope the game is called erenshor

>>713337509 (OP)
We need a fully hardcore MMO with PvP enabled everywhere, full corpse looting, very lax moderation, and a combat system that isn't based on a row of cooldown timers.

>>713353889
>What changed?
ever considered the streamers were just not good

It's a WoW raid with UI Add-Ons designed to make tracking all the shit that needs to be tracked "easy" and "at a glance"
WoW was designed from the start for autistic EverQuest raiders instead of for fun or immersion. and they burned out, partly because they realized how much gayer WoW raiding was and partly because you couldn't be a l337 uberguilder anymore in the modern MMO landscape where everyone gets their own instanced raids.

>>713337509 (OP)
I've had this discussion with a they/them retard who I otherwise consider a friend. Every time you think you have it down there's some caveat that actually makes you wrong. It's a constant sequence of correcting yourself and asking for a pardon and I believe that's by design.

Eventually I gave up and started calling them by their biological gender and made it clear I won't be doing the pronoun shit. They asked if I was prepared to hinge our friendship on that and I simply said yeah. They'll always cave because attention is what they're after in the end, the only exception is people (who aren't your friend and arrive out of nowhere) starting a fight over it.

>>713359514
That would be Haven&Hearth but you are better off playing something like Rust or Foxhole.

>>713337509 (OP)
>Pronouns are confusing
Not really. If you're born a man, it's He, and if you weren't - it's She. Extremely easy.

>>713359514
Hop on bro.

>>713359514
Holy mother of based. Anybody play Darkfall while it lasted?

>>713359860
>>713359893
I don't know any of these.

>>713359680
>WoW was designed from the start for autistic EverQuest raiders instead of for fun or immersion
I do like to parrot epic memes too.
>fun!
>immersion!
Yeah back in real old days before EverQuest raids and pve didn't exist! It was all about ERP (fun)!

>>713359990
The joke is that there have been multiple attempts to do exactly what you're asking for but they've all died.

>>713359992
WoW was heavily influenced by Everquest. You should read any interviews with original WoW devs or books about the development of the game. WoW devs were told to go home and play EQ as homework during development. Not whoever you replied to and I don't plan to get into an argument about semantic facts

>>713359906
I was addicted to m&b warband instead. Wish I did though with what people were saying about it.

>>713337509 (OP)
I wish you were dead.

>>713360138
But H&H is fine. Ar at least as fine as it was when it released a decade ago.

It's ironic that WoW was made by hardcore EQ raiders but at the time was derided as casual carebear shit because you didn't lose exp from death and corpse walks didn't make you drop all your gear. I don't know if there's an actual term for it but I'll just call it "suffer like I did syndrome".

>>713360352
WoW was ruined by a hardcore EQ raider turned dev.

>>713360909
ironic how these shitters never went back to UO after being run off by better players

>>713360909
this image is fucking retarded. You would have to have never played FFXI or Everquest to make it. It's so fucking retarded I don't know where to start in explaining to you in how it's retarded.
FFXI has content from 20 fucking years ago that is still relevant because of how gear/story works in that game. You cannot do the content in a day.

>>713361180
>this image is fucking retarded. You would have to have never played FFXI or Everquest to make it.
It's a shitty meme parroted by larpers yes.

>>713361452
>green parsing retadin
Holy shit make that guy a guild officer at once!

>>713360138
Is that because players are faggots and need a nice safe quest-driven snoozefest with sterile, no-stakes arena PvP matchmaking?

>>713360909
I know about Tigole and Furor (Kaplan and Afrasiabi). However even Pardo himself the head director of WoW's development was vocal about EQ's influence. It's not all one person's fault.

I've been having more fun this expansion than I've had in a long time. Mostly because I found a decent raiding guild without any real assholes in it. Raids have been fun, hope the Dimensius raid is good too.

>>713337509 (OP)
>friend does nothing but reposts twitter jokes like this one
What compels somebody to become the faggoty version of an unfunny conservative boomer?

>>713337509 (OP)

>what is this

A joke about terrible UI management.

>got to level 58 in wow classic as a warrior, was fun but didn't see any point in pushing to 60 and doing any of the end game grind
>got to max level in guild wars 2, leveling experience was really fun but the end game is non-existent
and that's the only mmo experience i have. am i missing something? these games feel like both most interesting and most boring games at times. also what mmo would you recommend me to try. pic semi-unrelated

>>713364315
Dofus

>>713361452
parsefaggotry unironically ruined classic.

>the best modern mmo
>/v/ does everything in their power to ignore
keep playing blizzard sloppa tho

>>713366447
that's not Dofus

>>713352182
>turn based so you don't actually have to play and just use it as a cookie clicker*
fixed

>>713337509 (OP)
> the mmorpg genre dead?
yes

>>713366447
>EA Origin required

>>713366447
What's the graphics style, voxels?

>>713366690
so you don't actually have to play a game like Chess?

>>713337509 (OP)
I bet normal people would also tell you to fuck off if you showed them all that dumb shit and told them to memorize, care about, and respect it.