Thread 713382186

I'm not trying to hate, but this game is such a chore.

>crazy high encounter rates
>no opportunity to save or use a tent in a dungeon
>have to backtrack all the way out of a dungeon and into a town in order to reset your magic, because tents don't do it
>dungeons have many floors and are maze-like

Does anyone else feel the same? It's just very obnoxious. I'm over-leveled yet still finding the dungeons annoying because of the constant encounters. Battles with 6+ enemies gradually chipping away at my health and occasionally hitting me with a status effect. I love challenging games, but this is challenging for the wrong reasons. I sometimes have a headache by the end of a play session. Should I be running from battles more often or something?

Anyway, luckily it's very soulful and the graphics, music, etc. keep me coming back. And it really does feel like an adventure.

>>713382186 (OP)
I played the GBA version last year on emulator and had a blast, but that was because autoattack+fast-forward was enough to churn through basically every encounter, especially if every few fights I used an item that let me cast curaga for no mana. It's a bit of a slog but that's also the type of game it is, and at this point the historical curiosity is the main reason to experience it.

agreed, im playing it slowly for this reason, but it's still pretty fun, also in the NES version you can grind a lot here

>>713382408
>GBA
That version to my knowledge uses the MP system that later FF titles use. So using magic was probably much easier. In the original NES and the PS1 version, spells had limited uses. For example you might only be able to use Fire 3 times, and after that you can't use it anymore unless you sleep at an Inn. It's a cool mechanic because you have to use your magic more carefully, but it's so frustrating because there's no other way to restore it other than going to an Inn.

>>713382721
Doesn't the original still have item magic? That's the main way I found to avoid attrition.

>>713382186 (OP)
that's most nes games, anon. The nes set the stage for some of the best games on the snes but the nes titles themselves were still extremely rudimentary and clunky and had that arcade philosophy that drove the design/difficulty

>>713383036
I guess, but I just don't get it. Every game designer with Square at the time saw/playtested this game, and thought "Yeah, this is fine." I don't understand how nobody found the constant back and forth between dungeon and town incredibly stressful.

>>713382186 (OP)
nigga wtf are you smoking the game is easy af i bet you're not playing the NES version

>>713383574
I'm playing Ps1 version anon. It's the same as the NES version but with bugfixes and SNES graphics.

>>713382186 (OP)
if only ther was a business class about ff1 i could then find amusement form such a movie

>>713382186 (OP)
Ice cave was peak misery with the easy party wipe encounters but afterwards you get the healing equipment you can spam on your mages and the difficulty plummets.

>>713383254
Early RPGs were brutal.
Wizardry and Ultima had tons of bullshit that could easily end you.

>>713382186 (OP)
Welcome to the 80s. It does not mesh well with the tiktok generation.

Yes, that game sucks. There's a reason why, starting in the 16-bit era, many games stopped doing standard random encounters.

>>713382517
Got one in every game till 8.

>>713383254
Cause early RPGs thought of dungeons as actual dungeons and not video game levels.
You go into it, explore as much as you can with the resources you have and back out, then repeat until you're proficient enough at navigating it that you can make it to the end with little issues.
It's how a real group of adventurers would go about it rather than just treating it like a singular video game level.
Even some modern RPGs like Persona and Etrian Odyssey keep this type of dungeon design going.

>>713383574
It's easy with the right classes.

>>713384384
imo the issue it's just the encounter rate, sometimes it's too high, im glad FF2 introduced chocobos

>>713382186 (OP)
it was the only NES game that had a save options, and you are complaining

stop bitching, FFI is pure SOVL

>>713382186 (OP)
NES JRPGs were all frustrating in different ways because a lot of stuff that we consider common sense was still being ironed out. The original Dragon Quest is a great example - it had separate menu options for walking down stairs, and to interact with anything, you had to specify the direction. And while remakes fix technical problems, they often don't go far enough, and the game comes off as overly simplistic. DQ3HD was a great example of what could be done with an NES JRPG if you put some elbow grease into it.
>>713383254
It was done to extend playtime. FF1 could be finished in about 10 hours, but if you cut out the grind and backtracking, it could be beaten in a single sitting, which would make the kids feel ripped off.

>>713384441
I played Fire Emblem 1 and it involved logistics that would do a HOI4 veteran autist proud. Had to have a litteral dedicated quartermaster who didnt fight in every level.

>>713384441
I miss Etrian Odyssey so much...Are there any good DRPGs still coming out?

>>713384441
Okay that's fair. That's actually a good explanation and makes me appreciate the game a bit more.

>>713384591
>only NES game that had a save options,
that and Zelda II

>>713384630
Whoa, I thought it was do much longer. That makes sence.

>>713382186 (OP)
>38 year old game doesn't come with qol features
yeah insane

>>713382186 (OP)
FF1-5 all suck. Series gets good at 6

>>713384982
And then it gets bad at 8

>>713384768
The NES was too weak to handle long games. The memory was so limited that devs literally had to micromanage how much text they used. DQ3 and FF3 were the longest by far, each being around 30 hours.

whoa almost like it took them 6 games to figure out the series and make it something more than being a bad dragon quest clone.

>>713385040
And it gets good again at 9

>>713382186 (OP)
>>crazy high encounter rates
>>no opportunity to save or use a tent in a dungeon
>>have to backtrack all the way out of a dungeon and into a town in order to reset your magic, because tents don't do it
>>dungeons have many floors and are maze-like
Kino, gotta learn to enjoy it. I don't think the encounter rates are that bad, there are way worse games in that aspect. The game is testing your resource management, its made that way so you use up most of your spells and items before reaching the boss, and going through the dungeon multiple times to collect all items and then heal up (but you can easily just collect everything and kill the boss without going back if you manage your resources properly).
Not many modern games evoke the same feel as early FF.
>Battles with 6+ enemies gradually chipping away at my health and occasionally hitting me with a status effect
That's why God made Black Mage, he's not there to nuke bosses, but to clear random encounters in one turn. Just don't play the GBA version, its extremely dumbed down.

>>713382186 (OP)
>I'm not trying to hate
Who the FUCK is going to care? All these games are exgausting. FF1, 2, 3, 4 , 5 etc. Dragon Quest 1 to 500. Those too.
Phantasy Star 2. Don't get me fucking started on this one. Jesus.

>>713382186 (OP)
Your Teleport/Warp spell?

>>713385173
FFIV is kino

>>713385040
8 is the best one
>>713385223
ruined the series by making it lame again.

>>713385075
I was just about to say ff3. I love those end system games like that, Link, and FE2.

>>713384630
>DQ3HD was a great example of what could be done with an NES JRPG if you put some elbow grease into it.
It's just DQ3 snes remake with literal grease on top so its all shiny like vaseline.

>>713382186 (OP)
its one of those boomer busywork games that had to be the longest possible because only like 3 games came out every year

>>713382408
I too played this version of FF I and II, as well as the sequel to II that's in the cartridge. I remember it being fine in terms of difficulty.

>>713385225
>I don't think the encounter rates are that bad, there are way worse games in that aspect
Only one I can think of is Breath of Fire 2.

>>713385245
Apparently I need to upgrade my black mage to black wizard for that. I'm not sure when that happens.

>>713384630
DQ3HD is worse than the SNES version however.

>>713384982
6 ruined the series by introducing too many "modern setting'' steampunk stuff and being even more cinematic than the games before it. It is by no means a bad game but it was the start of the slippery slope that culminated in 7, 8, and 10 losing the true meaning and themes of final fantasy.

>>713382186 (OP)
good

>>713385302
I will give the contrarians disk 1 of FF8 may have been the peak in the entire series. Though Im sure you much prefer disk 3.

>>713385075
A case of memory capacity.
FF3 had more than twice the data storage of FF1&2.
Interestingly, FF4 only needed about twice the memory as FF3.

>>713385456
Job upgrades are like halfway through the game IIRC

>>713382186 (OP)
the psp version is the most superior version
troons will pretend otherwise

>>713382186 (OP)
Sounds like your problem is you think dungeons should be easy to go through.

>>713385639
FF4 was too short. Im convinced they ran out of money / time as it just kind of ends.

>>713385598
FF8 Disk 2 is the peak actually.

>>713383254
Final Fantasy 1 was supposed to be their last game before OG square closed down. They pretty much copy pasted DnD especially the limited uses magic system.

>>713385678
The tourist generation really needs to kill themselves.

FF1 is one of the only good JRPGs that exist.

>>713384982
6 ruined the series by ditching the job system from 5

>>713384982
5 is much better than 6.

>>713385380
I played both. The music is better, I like the 3D HD artstyle too (just disable the fucking DoF, it legitimately ruins everything), I like how they give you an option to disable hints and map directions so you can play the game properly, and the recall system is legitimately great (being able to take notes without having to use actual pen and paper). I'd say it's about as smooth as a traditional JRPG could be without dumbing things down.

People think the PSP version of FF1 isn't the best version?

>>713385949
3 is much better than 5.

>>713385972
the sprites look hideous

>>713382186 (OP)
Most 3rd gen JRPG's are like that.
You just have to kinda accept it if you want to play them.

>>713386160
The nes is 3rd gen?

>>713386042
>3 forces you to use specific jobs and all jobs become useless when you get a new crystal
Nice try. Even if you try to argue that in ff5 all classes become rapidfire spammers, it also happens in 3 where you end up running with ninjas and sages, its just an endgame thing.
5 has way more fun bosses and ways to clear content compared to 3. That's why 5 has the annual four job fiesta and 3 doesn't.

>>713386091
I sincerely disagree.

>>713386214
3 isn't ATBshit so it effortlessly clears 5.

>have trouble playing jrpgs without a guide.
>32
it's over isn't it bros

>>713386214
>it also happens in 3 where you end up running with ninjas and sages, its just an endgame thing
Yes, class variety going out the window 95% into the game is a lot better. Thank you for expressing why 3 is better

>>713386214
>all jobs become useless when you get a new crystal
Exactly, thats why it's good?

>dead ends
>Treasure that's potions and armor/weapons you mostly likely bought already
>Paths that circle nowhere
>All while having random encounters
Is this really that much better than linear FF games people complain about?

>>713383254
>Every game designer with Square at the time saw/playtested this game, and thought "Yeah, this is fine."
1/4 of the spells don't even work lol

>>713385736
FF4 was originally being designed as another NES game. After the project changed, they probably had to spend most of their time tuning up the graphics and porting what they had to the super famicom.

>>713386196
Yes. 1st gen was the most basic shit like playing PONG at home.
2nd gen had consoles like the Atari 2600 and Intellivision.
3rd Gen was the NES and Sega Master System.

>>713384668
Yeah you gotta remember with these old games the mechanics you're interfacing with are very much just very loose abstractions of what's actually happening in-game.
It's very much like actual DnD in a way where you still have to leave a lot of it up to your imagination rather than taking the mechanics and graphics so literally.

>>713382186 (OP)
>getting filtered because it's an actual game with actual dungeons and not just a cutscene dispenser

>>713386683
for me it's FF2
>alternate path leads to a door
>open door
>you spawn inside a completely empty square room with doubled encounter rate and need to fight multiple encounters just to leave the empty room
>status infliction has 100% rate so a single Malboro wipes out your team if you get ambushed

>>713386790
The more you know

>>713386985
I stand by it's so bad it wraps back around to good again like House of a Thousand corpses.

>>713385598
>>713385742
To whole thing is the peak, capped with the best final dungeon of the series. What the fuck was FF9? Return to form? A love letter to the series? Nah, it pigeon holed FF in this weird limbo that killed the creativity The Final Fantasy Trilogy (6, 7, 8) used to elevate the name beyond a simple DQ clone.

>>713387172
I wish I could buy his art.

>>713387241
you can, as a trading card...

>>713386683
Not just simply deadends or paths circling nowhere, they have increased encounter rates and stronger enemies even, in your picture on the left the circling path is known as the hall of gigas, where every step you get an encounter with Hill Gigas.

>>713386985
>Game teaches you that every door in a dungeon leads to one of these trap rooms
>Three dungeons in they start adding chests and make one door actually be for progression
And I still like 2 more than 3

>>713383036
>and had that arcade philosophy that drove the design/difficulty
If that was true then the games would've been a lot better, seeing as arcade design is the ultimate and only legitimate game design philosophy.

>>713385678

Dogshit sprites and gimped difficulty. Origins is a way better version.

>>713382186 (OP)
FF1-3 are really just proof of concept games. FF really started with 4

>>713387196
You could be right as 10 was the beginning of the end. I don't think so though as 9 was exponentially better than 8.
Id be curios from someone in the know why X was when Square really stated slipping.

>>713385536
>the true meaning and themes of final fantasy
yeah, button mashing A while saving the kingdom with random crystals? wow..

>>713387449
kek shut up Mark you can't beat any game without credit feeding, stop stealing other people's content

>>713386805
Bringing in Toriyama to fill these gaps in the manuals for Dragon Quest and Chrono Trigger was a stroke of genius, so many JRPGs forego illustrating their big moments but the dude put in the work and he really brings the games to life in your head.

>>713386683
You gotta have the spirit of adventure, imagination, and maybe some lack of game design knowledge. You're not just taking the wrong turn, you're exploring a big scary cave. Who knows what riches might be hidden in every chest, or what monsters might jump out from the darkness? Anything is possible.
This is unrelated to FF, but when I was a kid, I loved playing Max Payne 1, and one distinct memory I have is of the subway station level. In the very beginning, I would always try to jump onto the passing train, or jump down and run forward before it runs me over. Of course I had no idea that the tunnel is just a decoration that doesn't go anywhere, and the train is a death trigger that's also just for show. I actually believed that, if I could pull this shit off, I could get to the next station. And I had a blast trying it before moving on. That's how kids see video games, they effortlessly ignore limitations and abstractions and witness a much more interesting, living picture that adults would struggle to imagine. To play these older games, you have to be able to get into that mindset, at least somewhat.

>>713387580
Better than button mashing A while cutting my own wrists in a nomura kusoge
That's why Dragon Quest is still deemed as a great series while Final Fantasy is a husk of its former self

>>713387513
X was peak FF

>>713387728
DQ is more consistent, but the best FF > best DQ.

>>713387804
>best FF > best DQ
Yes FFV is better than DQ3 I know

>>713387654
> crono is left handed
neat

>>713382186 (OP)
It's supposed to be challenging. In a rp-ing sense, you're going through a dungeon so it makes sense if it's tough. Or in a game sense, it saps the hp and you gotta pay attention to your resources, and evaluate risks (if you should backtrack), and the relief of clearing the dungeon makes up for it. Adding up to what's been said. It's not a Bug.
But it's not impossible to clear either. Other rpgs are similar, going through Mt. Moon in pokemon is that way. I can't speak for it, since I played gba (w/ MP system). That might balance a bit.
Many games are just comfyTM, or tactical, in that a single encounter is its own puzzle, but you recover all HP when the encounter is over, so there isn't a challenge in the big picture, only in the encounter.

>>713385801
>>713387471
see what I mean?

>>713382186 (OP)
I mean, its the ORIGINAL jrpg. most shit was just devs hastily adapting dnd mechanics to the NES. They are a piece of history but there is a reason when you play alterations of them like randomizers half the game gets rebuilt to make it less frustrating.

should i play through the entirety of FF or DQ?

>>713382186 (OP)
After having playing some other RPGs on the NES and early Genesis, I can say almost every other RPG at the time was a lot more tedious. There's a reason Final Fantasy was one that made it big.

>>713388983
>its the ORIGINAL jrpg.
DQ1 came out before it

>>713388989
Yes.

>>713388989
DQ. A buddy and I have both done FF and BoF but I've never met a DQ completionist.

>>713383254
You have to remember anon, the NES was during the time of platform transition, and the games reflect this. It wasn't uncommon to keep a pen and paper to write down hints, passwords, and maps. Final fantasy was a slog because that's what primitive rpg's were like. The challenge was planning how you'd get through each area and trying to find the most efficient path with what you had. When video fully took over, most games did away with expecting its audience to carry a logbook with them.

>>713382186 (OP)
That's kind'a the same experience I had playing Mother 1 as I went through that series.

I don't regret my time with it, but I'm glad it was short, because my God, I got sick of the insane encounter rate, especially with the maze dungeons.

>>713383254
Game design sensibilities literally didn't exist in those days.

>>713388989
Honestly, just do the best games in both the series, both series have pretty shit rough spots but the peaks are amazing.

>>713390106
Some Anon said other games have a worse encounter rate but all I could think of was BoF2. What am I missing?

>>713383254
That's what dungeon crawling is. The resource management is the entire fucking point. Fucking hell all you zoomers want is a fucking dopamine button.

>>713390370
Tiktok broke us

>>713385238
FF5 isn't exhausting in the least

>>713383254
Ok you played FF. Now I want you to remember that there are RPGs that came out even before FF.
They were worse then what you just played.
I want you to imagine playing FF after years of graphic-less text games with no music.

>>713389551
This game? Is literally a giant fucking maze.

>>713382186 (OP)
>Battles with 6+ enemies gradually chipping away at my health and occasionally hitting me with a status effect.
this is why I love early rpgs. It's about the long game. Being worn down slowly on your adventure. Knowing how hard enemies hit so you can heal at the last moment. Getting the most out of your limited inventory, only 8 slots iirc. I LOVE that shit. Dragon Warrior Monsters did it really well with procedural generation in 1995.

>>713384656
Not really. you can check out the psp drpgs if you haven't already. Otherwise there is a wizardry gacha that is actually quite good all things considered.

>>713382186 (OP)
>>no opportunity to save or use a tent in a dungeon
>>have to backtrack all the way out of a dungeon and into a town in order to reset your magic, because tents don't do it
>>dungeons have many floors and are maze-like
Good. Dungeons should be difficult, long and maze-like.

>>713383254
Early NES RPGs borrow heavily from DnD. Hence using rests to restore magic in FF1. That's partially why they created tents in later games.

FF1 is a fucking joke, after your healer levels up a bit you never need to backtrack again
The crystal tower would fucking BREAK you

>>713394001
That final gauntlet filtered me for days when I was first playing the PSP version

>>713387713
>You gotta have the spirit of adventure, imagination, and maybe some lack of game design knowledge.
that's asking a lot for younger players but I vibe with that still of games naturally.

>>713391257
I beat this on console and the only reason I needed to make a map was because the battles were so frequent and so slow that it's so easy to forget where you are. I played it recently on an emulator using fast forward during easy battles and only needed the View spell to keep my bearings.

...Even still, I had fun filling out the map and referencing it. I used graph paper with 5 different pen colors for each floor and it worked surprisingly well. I think the experience is worth it. If you have the time. Just don't do it with Shining in the Darkness, play Phantasy Star 1 at least.

>>713389413
Reminder that playing through either series requires a common pitstop.

>>713382186 (OP)
Its a tough game in a way because of its older structure. Be glad you aren’t playing the original nes version

If there were no risk of losing progress and having to backtrack, there would be no thrills. No close calls. It would be boring. What kind of adventure has no surprises?

>>713382186 (OP)
There spells to take you out of dungeons, Ethers refill your mana, it’s really not bad at all.
Did you even restore a single crystal yet? Because the problems you mentioned are solved later. I only admit Pokemon solved high encounters with sprays, paying money to avoid encounters would fix some of the tedium, but it’s truly not bad. It takes what, 10 seconds total to flee a battle.
Also, emulate the PSP version.
Also also, play in Japanese. Far superior and less censored.
Also also also, Link from LoZ is dead in the first Final Fantasy. You find Link’s grave at elf village. If you aren’t playing in Japanese you’re really missing out, but it sounds like you aren’t far at all.

>>713382186 (OP)
git gud and stop whining like a little bitch

>>713395449
GBA crystal chronicles is the best way.

>>713389551
Deltarune really is a culmination, the apex of this genre.
After playing Mother, DQ, and FF it feels like the natural continuation, far more so than modern FF or DQ.
The watercooler felt more Earthbound than Earthbound itself.

>deltatroon
nay cuck

it sucks that you dont even keep your experience when you die. in dragon quest you do. which is why dragon quest is way more playable and relaxing. even dying isnt a huge deal because you still made progress.

>>713386196
>The nes is 3rd gen?
Yes

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/games/systems

>>713395664
Calling Deltarune the apex of a genre defined by character and party customization when it's probably one of the most static RPGs you can play short of the original Dragon Quest is a funny joke man.

>>713386683
Well first off your map/camera isn't zoomed out for you to find everything like some shitty modern indie game. Players had to, dare I say, "work" towards the goal.

>>713382186 (OP)
Aww I'm sorry the game from 1987 doesn't hold your hand and practically play itself.

>>713385445
You can use Rand's rolling ability to skip enncouters in the overworld
But that game has so many annoying problems other than the encounter rate anyways

>>713387654
Toriyama's illustrations came first you retard
They made the game using his illustrations as inspiration
Source: Kazuhiko Torishima interview 2016 in Chrono Compendium

>>713387956
He is clearly 2-handing the sword retardo

>>713386683
yup

>>713388989
A full series run of DQ would probably stop at 7 because it's such a massive game

>>713395449
Link's grave is in english as well

>>713396257
Nigga you're aware Toriyama illustrated for a whole RPG series beyond Chrono Trigger right?

>>713393264
>Dragon Warrior Monsters did it really well with procedural generation in 1995.
Fake fan alert

>>713395449
>>713396682
Anons, the Zelda timeline...

>>713383254
The standards were completely different back then. You were expected to fail and waste time redoing things, people just saw those huge annoyances and time wasters as a "challenge".

>>713396883
>the Mario timeline

>>713394001
I didn't think it was too hard, but I sure had to go back and use a tent at least two times, one after getting the last jobs and one after almost reaching cloud of darkness. It's a great dungeon all about resource management, but at the same time its kinda tiresome having to redo it all if you die at any point.

>>713395449
Link is in most english releases too. In the original NES one its Loto (Erdrick) though, the DQ I main character.

>>713397767
Wait you can leave WoD after entering it? I thought that was a point of no return. I redid that dungeon in its entirety like five or six times

>>713395449
>Ethers refill your mana
You didn't beat the game

>>713382186 (OP)
I beat this game when I was 10 years old, on an actual NES, with hand-drawn maps from my grandpa.

>>713382186 (OP)
If you don't have a good party comp you already fucked up and are gonna have a bad time. Low-cost, so not 2 knights, 2 BLM, or a BLM and a KN on the same team. Actually it's probably best to not double up on any class except Monk, though you'll have it rough until they're high enough level to go without equips. Total of 2 magic users, and a total of 2 melee. Don't pick THF.

>>713395664
>Deltarune really is a culmination, the apex of this genre.
No, you don't need resource management, team building or equipment usage, you just need to dodge pretty bullet patterns. The dungeons are all entirely linear, almost no branching paths besides a side room with a secret or chest.
I'm not saying Deltarune is bad by any means, I love it, but its completely barebones to even DQ I in all gameplay aspects. By gameplay aspects I mean just the traditional RPG aspects, the bullet dodging parts are great, but aren't an evolution of the JRPG genre.

>>713397848
>Wait you can leave WoD after entering it? I thought that was a point of no return
I meant just before fighting Xande, but after getting all the chests and knowing the most optimal path to him.

>>713382186 (OP)
Pixel remaster's a little better since you can auto battle and just turn off random encounters when they become unbearable. But I agree, FF1 and 2 are too crazy on the encounter rate and that made then somewhat unfun to go through. It gets better at FF3.

>>713398036
>Don't pick THF
Pure meme, I like picking the traditional fighter, thief, white mage, black mage, and never had any trouble. Thief might be the worst job but he's still servicable, can use most swords and defensive gear after job changing, and can flee better than the rest. I'd rather get a thief than red mage, the class that literally can't wear any late game equipment and can't cast more than 3 spells without needing to rest.

>>713396015
>>713398197
Fun fact even DQ1 randomizes your stat growth somewhat depending on your inputted name.
So Deltarune really is the most barebones RPG ever made.

>>713386345
I just find at this point if there's a game with annoying collectibles or weird progression hints, I just don't have the attention span and imagination to try and figure it all out myself unless I really, really enjoy the game already. If it's between me wanting to quit the game and looking at a guide to be pointed the right way, I'm fine with doing it later.

>>713399756
>I just don't have the attention span and imagination to try and figure it all out myself
Why can't people just play the game without experiencing everything? If they're incapable of doing so, just accept being incapable and just play the parts you are capable of. You don't need to collect everything and see every secret.

>>713386345
>find a branching path
>immediately google a map so I don't lock myself behind an invisible wall or trigger a cutscene early or worst of all, have to backtrack for a chest

>>713384668
You can also get a spell later in the game that warps you out of a dungeon entirely. A lot of games have some version of ariadne thread which gets your party out of a dungeon in a hurry.

>>713382186 (OP)
it's a 30 year old game. ofc it's gonna be outdated

>>713383254
why do retarded zoomers take everything for granted?
A modern calculator has far more procesing power than a NES did
Back in 1987, people didn't have gaming figured out. A lot of changed in regards to what people consider to be a good game. There aren't as many technical limitations due to hardware (FF1 didn't even have a proper story)

>>713389551
it's probably true. a lot of dungeon crawlers in that era didn't even have an in-built map feature. you were expected to literally draw a map as you traveled

>>713386985
As a kid I despised FF2's dungeon design, but now I think it's really funny.

>>713382186 (OP)
people were paying 60 dollars and expected a few days of gameplay.
if it was any easier you'd beat it in a few hours.

>>713401912
You can say it's technical limitations all you want but couldn't devs have increased vanilla Battle and messaged speed by a lot in titles from NES to PS2? The same could be said about having the ability to save anywhere and allowing save scum.

>>713382186 (OP)
i remember playing this game and never finishing, i think the story is completely garbage because i remember none of it, just walking around pressing A to kill monsters

>>713396682
I named my thief "Link" so this grave freaked me out

>>713402169
Spam A and the numbers go up. This allows you to spam A against bigger monsters, making your numbers go up. Ad infinitum. If that doesn't appeal to you then the game isn't for you.

Reminder that it was quite a birthday or christmas present at the time. It had to last until the next birthday or christmas.

>>713402359
true this game is not for me hence i never finished or tried playing any other final fantasy

>>713402526
Try 13-2

>>713402526
The most loved ones are 4-10

>>713396682
It was Erdrick in the original.

>>713402514
FF1 doesn't even last a week

>>713403212
It did back then. The Marsh cave and whichever one that was where you had a bunch of identical paths and had to choose southwest (earth?) were big filters. Bad party composition could also ruin a run.

>>713382186 (OP)
I don't mind not being able to save or use a tent in dungeons becuase it adds a bit of danger and resource management to the dungeonrunning. Knowing when to turn back and regroup.
But the overworld encounter rate is intolerable and led me to drip the game. It disincentivizes exploration to throw level one ohkos in front of your face every three steps. It's ridiculous.

>>713403310
> It disincentivizes exploration to throw level one ohkos in front of your face every three steps
iirc there's a dungeon with an encounter rate so high that you find ohko enemies almost each step

>>713382186 (OP)


It was a product of its time but it isn't fun. That Nuclear Power webcomic made the game seem more interesting than it really was

>>713403289
I can see bad party composition getting you, but if you can read FF1 is pretty straightforward and short

>>713384441
This right here. I wish I could play these games for the first time again so I won’t know what to expect in the dungeons and have to play it slow and methodical like you said.

>>713396257
>He is clearly 2-handing the sword retardo
Anon, his left hand is on top, hence his comment about Crono being lefty.

This series did get good until IV and didn't become great until VII.

>>713386345

Most people on here think they're easy. It's one thing to use a guide to 100% but if you can't even beat a dungeon without a guide thats bad.

That's also different from occasionally consulting a guide if you've exhausted doing it yourself. Sometimes if I cant get a secret unlockable I'll just ditch it instead of using a guide

>>713382186 (OP)
lmfao gitgud

>713382186
>FF1 is so exhausting
Then stop playing it.

>>713383254
games werent made to be beaten in an afternoon so you can move to the next game. most japs notoriously were stuck on the first wizardry but still enjoyed the game because it was fun just to do battles and map unknown areas slowly. this culture carried over in design to the first few final fantasy games.

>>713382186 (OP)
>"I'm over-leveled"
>"Should I be running from battles more often or something?"
Yes? What a dumb fucking question

>>713382186 (OP)
It's kino

>>713386985
The best (worst) part is that the game puts you in a the center of the empty room instead of at the door like every other door in the game

>>713395664
I don't know about deltarune, but undertale would have been a hit 20-30 years ago. It's a game that fully reacts to its player, and stops playing when you do. It's small and compact, and this gives you more control of what you want to influence and observe. You can kill all the dog guards and they'll be absent at grillbys. You can listen to sans speech, reload, kill a monster, and then rub it in his face. There's content and dialogue for almost any choice you want to make. Imagine the first kid on the playground trying to convince you the genocide route was real.
"AND AND SANS WAS THERE AND AND HIS EYE FLAHSE DBLUE AND THEN THE FIRST CHILD POPPED ON MY SCREEN AND SCREAMED"

Personally my favorite party composition for FF1 is Fighter, Monk, White Mage, Red Mage.

>>713405649
It's the best team

>>713390290
Arcana (although that is SNES) has an incredibly awful encounter rate and suffers many of the same issues FF1 does in that it is a constant war of attrition and you can't really heal or sustain beyond a certain point.

I just got the dark crystal in IV. Playing the DS version. When I'm done should I play the After Years? Should I do it on DS or the PSP version?

>>713406376
The After Years is 100% skippable even if you really, REALLY enjoy FFIV. It is a grinding-padded reskin of the game and the scenarios all drag. The game does have what might be the best final dungeon in any FF game in it, but that really isn't worth the slog to get there. Play it only if you really don't mind grinding.

>>713406376
Don't.

>>713406376
TAY is bad and really dumb

>>713406376
Play it only if you want playable Golbez

>>713407235
So Golbez also has a change of heart in this one? Is Zeromus also the final boss like in XIV's chunk?

>>713407315
No the final boss is God

>>713407235
We already have playable Golbez at home.

>>713407401
A shame the one with XIV reps is fucking shit
Wonder if we'll ever have a new Dissidia

>>713383254
learn to manage resources

>>713382186 (OP)
ITS FUCKING GENERIC TURN BASED SLOW ASS "GAME" action rpgs ftw, go play YS

>>713395664
Deltarune is a homage to the genre, not a culmination. The game is its own jrpg thing

>>713407441
I could only hope then again I don't really have faith in modern day Square-Enix. But It would be nice if we got an official port of Duodecim on modern platforms.

>>713395449


Truly feeling pain from being a gaijin

>>713382186 (OP)
>>have to backtrack all the way out of a dungeon and into a town in order to reset your magic, because tents don't do it
http://www.fforigins.com/ff1/items/house.html

>>713384649
My brother
I'd come to think I was the only one who liked that

>>713382186 (OP)
>have to backtrack all the way out of a dungeon and into a town in order to reset your magic, because tents don't do it
what? you're really overextending yourself then. stop running from encounters and just do them, you get a bunch of shit from it.

i played this on the switch and thoroughly enjoyed it. the first jrpg i played in years, and i absolutely loved it. i ran into a couple of stops, but every time it amounted to ~1h of grinding out high level enemies near a town and just sleeping until it worked out well. it's the simplest thing.

the final run was hard, but i managed to get it in 2 or 3 tries. just grind out whatever it is that you need in order for you to oneshot common enemies, and you're good. top level light, top level thunder, and mid level thunder are going to carry you through most encounters.

uhh Im sure tents replenish magic?

>>713414492
not tents but >>713414001

>>713414641
ah right. cottage.

>>713414295
>stop running from encounters and just do them
I always found how easy it is to run from encounters in this style of game to be a little weird and dis-congruous with the story of being on an urgent quest. You'd think the characters would avoid any fights they can in the interest of time, and thus the encounter system really should only bother to present you with unavoidable battles, or at least ones for which the cost of running would be high.
(It's different if you had a reason to be deliberately hunting creatures for their magcal testicles or whatever but in most of these games you're just trying to get somewhere.)

>>713382721
GBA version rules for this reason. Great game.