Thread 713388802

if you're unaware, ff14 and ff15 made kingdom hearts obsolete. everything is noctis dream and noctis isn't even real he's a shard reflection.

just stop after 2 (read: not 2.5) and life will be grand

>>713388802 (OP)
damn if only there was a website where you could look up videos for this...

>>713388802 (OP)
Who cares about muh lore after KH3? They fucked up everything, every single plot thread, by making Xehanort a dindu noffing

>>713390327
*after KH2

>>713388802 (OP)
I don't know what the actual story of Kingdom Hearts is but I just assume it's some twink from Final Fantasy went into Disneyland on sexual business and now the entire series is about a twink chasing Donald Duck through space and time trying to get some of that corkscrew

I played all of these and watched the movie that covers this mobile game thing. I can't remember what happened. It's just a convoluted series of a events

>>713388802 (OP)
And the cancelled game, don't forget the cancelled game

KH story is dogshit and i wanted so badly to like it

is it worth getting into KH in 2025? should I just grab the first HD compilation on steam? seems to have a bunch of games at least

>>713392632
Only the first two games are worth playing. You can stop at 2 and probably be better for it.
I wish I did

>>713388802 (OP)
>to fully understand the story of Kingdom Hearts
The story isnt even that deep. Its just a bunch of random convoluted mumbo jumbo slopped together. Youre no better off after youve read it.

>>713392483
Im still mad. They looked like they did pokemon go properly from the beta

>>713392632
The early titles, for sure. Play 1, watch the cutscenes for CoM on Youtube (or play it, but most casuals wont) as it's important for 2, then play 2. Stop there.

>>713388802 (OP)
there’s nothing to understand. they didn’t think they’d get a sequel and just phoned in the rest of it

>Nomura made a live concert and fucking Disney hotel room important to KH canon
pfffft

Why did they ruin this franchise? KH1 to CoM to KH2 was a perfect trilogy and instead of continuing they just fucked every thing up why???? Could have been the pinnacle ARPG series even to this day and they just decimated it instead and made it a laughing stock.

>>713388802 (OP)
KEK nomura totally has a type

>>713393086
At least they gave us Aqua. They forgot to do anything with her post-BBS but at least the porn is good.

>>713393086
the gummi ships are honestly my favorite part of the game. the one thing that 3 didn’t completely ruin

Tell me about Noijma Is he "El Creatividad" supreme like his original counterpart? Or just a cheap imitation?

>>713392632
Dont do it to yourself

>>713393365
basically
>20 years for all this Long Con bullshit
>and this is only the first 'saga'

>>713392632
1
CoM
and 2

Thats the OG trilogy, much like Star Wars every attempt to explain using extended universe ranges from very convoluted and bad, to okay & lukewarm to awful.

Maybe MAYBE 358/2 days but its boring and pretty bad only worth it if you like Roxas

>>713388802 (OP)
Stop posting about this shit series on my board.

>>713388802 (OP)
Keep posting about this great series on my board.

>>713389180
so everything is a dream from a being that is just a dream of (shard) of another entity?

>>713388802 (OP)
Maybe keep posting about this okay series on my board.

>>713392632
If you're unsure just get the 1.5 and 2.5 collection which already contains the best games in the series. Everything after 2 is pure garbage, wouldn't recommend. Play the later games if you want to see a train wreck.

>The only scrap of new info KH4 has gotten was a few new screenshots from likely the start of the game
We're not getting it until 2029 are we?

>>713395434
Disney has to approve every frame

>>713392632
>official way
Buy the 1.5, .5, and 2.8 collections (NOT on Switch because it's is streamed/cloud), which contain the important games plus movies of the unimportant ones. Then you can play Kingdom Hearts 3.
>fan method
Play 1.5 for the PS3 (or 1 for the PS2) for the original & best game
Play Chain of Memories on the GameBoy Advance (PS2/enhanced version is trickier due to 3D fights)
Play 2.5 for Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix (or just regular 2 on the PS2).
Read the Kingdom Hearts 358/2 manga
Ignore everything else related to the franchise.

>>713390327
>by making Xehanort a dindu noffing
That didn't happen though?

>>713392632
Kingdom Hearts is something you'd truly appreciate as a kid who hasn't been fucked by life yet.

>>713396359
>fan method
>Ignore almost the entire franchise
Anon that's the normie "I played the entire series (1, 2 and 3)" method

>>713392632
Yes. Join us.

>>713396809
>Implying the only game worth playing aren't 1 and 2
>having 3 in there
lol

>>713396672
Good chart, probably worth amending to say that Melon Mix is by far the best way to play the two DS titles

>>713396672
I love how even with countless fan charts, shit is still convoluted I'd hate to be the faggot that runs the wiki

>>713396909
Have you tried being less of a joyless sack of shit

WHEN YOU WALK AWAY

>>713396948
Well it doesn't help that most of the people making these shitty charts are too stupid to understand the story.

1 COM 2 is the only time you should give a shit about the story. If anyone still gives a shit after the peak of retardation that was KH3D then they're a sucker themselves.

>>713396672
why do we need charts to make people understand that most franchises are best started with release order?

Something that always bothered me, even as a child, was for being a FF/Disney crossover, there isn't nearly enough interactions between the FF and Disney cast on their own, the only real exception to this rule being the Hercules world for some reason

>B-but Nomura said it always only supposed to be Dis-
Shut the fuck up. Regardless of intentions, KH is a crossover game between the franchises ever since the first game. It's not unreasonable to want more to be done with the premise

>>713393253
>the porn is good.
No it fucking is not. She's got like 6 decent images and they aren't even good, just "decent."

>>713396997
Have you tried having taste?

>>713397354
>He doesn't know

the true recompleted fan method
>Play 1, com, 2, Days, BBS, Coded, DDD, 0.8, 3, MoM in that order, any versions because you are a Nobody
>Play x, ux and dark road, you cant so go watch videos
>Play the Missing Link beta, you cant so go watch videos

>>713397373
>everything that isn't KHII is SHIT
or alternatively
>everything that isn't what I played as a kid is SHIT
Is not taste

>>713397440
I don't see you correcting the record.
I've been looking for good Aqua porn for a decade and in that decade I've seen a small handful of decent images.
She only has 715 images on danbooru and most of those aren't even lewd.

>>713397297
They don't interact because Disney specifically demands it that way.
It was never a "crossover between Final Fantasy and Disney."
It was a Disney game with FF cameos.

>>713396921
Melon Mix is crazy, the stuff they've already done and everything that's planned.
Haven't actually given either game a playthrough yet but it should at least make Days somewhat less painful

>X is discontinued
>Missing Link is dead
On one hand, I never invested in mobile games.
On the other hand, actual spin off games are dead too. That leaves KH with nothing but expensive console development.

>>713397610
>everything that isn't what I played as a kid is SHIT
By that same logic, I would say BBS isn't shit because I played too as a child.
It is shit btw

>>713397843
I played through Days with it just after they finished the cutscene stuff and I honestly came away from it not hating it. It wasn't a great game but I wouldn't call it bad either, maybe a bit repetitive. The new controls were great though

>>713397938
I'm waiting for them to fix cutscene pausing at least before I get into it

>>713397686
I'm aware it's likely mostly Disney pulling this shit, but that doesn't mean I like it
>It was a Disney game with FF cameos.
See that would mean something if FF characters weren't fucking important in the plot of KH1 and actively did interact with the Hercules cast in both KH1, 2, and BBS, again, why that world is the exception, I have no idea.

It is crossover, plain and simple, no retroactive mental gymnastics isn't going to change that

>>713398090
I mean when you know the intention and production, it's not a crossover.
And when you look at the final product, it's really hard to call it a crossover.
And when you see the progressive lack of FF in later entries, it's impossible to call it a crossover.

So like
It might be time to give up anon

>>713397671
I had no problem finding images of her. It's clearly a you problem

>>713389180
>>713394512
yeah that dream bullshit ruined FFX and they should have left it there. Square is dead to me after that and KH2.

>>713398305
Yes, but the two images you've posted are bad/decent. They're not good. I'm not going to accuse you of being into the obvious terrible shit that plagues KH fanart like futa/inflation, but most Aqua art sucks unless you have really low standards.
Water tastes better when you're thirsty so I can't really blame you for that, but try to keep your standards up.

>>713398253
The game has Auron from FFX fighting Hades from Hercules because he explictly summoned him to kill the heroes, also Donald and Goofy are there, which still counts for the crossover

It's downplayed, but the crossver aspect of the franchise still exists. Again mental gymnastics does not change this

All you are doing is justify Disney being a bunch of cockheads not allowing the premise of the fucking franchise to its full potential.

>>713398519
Sorry for not being a picky bastard like you anon. Again, this a you problem.

>>713398305
>>713398519
Aqua is 10/10 on model. Lewds are a genuine waste of time.

>>713398640
its well known that theythem disneybots try to assert they know about kindgom hearts, Nomura is always at the gates though

>>713398742
I mean, yes? Having standards IS a problem for the person with standards. Life is sunshine and roses for the nimrod that is entertained by any set of jangling keys.

>>713398764
This is true.

>>713398640
>All you are doing is justify Disney being a bunch of cockheads
I'm not justifying it, I'm telling you how it is
I fucking hate Disney's role in these games and want them as uninvolved as possible

>Yanderefag
Enjoy getting your posts nuked by jannies

>>713388802 (OP)
There wasn't much in this game to really worry about missing it after it closed
But I'll put it into the pile of "why always-online games are bad"

Aqua is the worst KH character

>>713399248
>There wasn't much in this game to really worry about missing it after it closed
?
It has a crazy amount of foundational and series-changing lore
Like it completely recontextualizes the entire franchise

>>713396672
reminds me of when I asked what version of the new hitman game I should buy

you guys think the steam versions will ever get deeper discounts?

>>713399087
You're telling me what I already know. That Disney is full of joyless cunts, that only tolerate KH's existence because it taps into both the Japanese, western weeb, and video game, demographics so effortlessly, and basically view it as a glorified commerical.
Devaluing the crossover aspect of these games only benefits them, because again, Disney more or less views KH as a commerical and not an interactive piece of storytelling. promoting the other guy's characters does them no favors, so why would they care? Hell, KH characters are basically FF characters in all but licensing.

Again, I don't give a single FUCK about the "official" stance, these games are crossover games and always have been, it's why people like these games. SE even gave in throwing in Leon, Yuffie, and Aerith in the DLC for 3 when enough people complained about it

It's not at all unreasonable to want for this franchise to live more to its potential and premise

>>713388802 (OP)
>to fully understand the story of Kingdom Hearts 4, you have to travel back in time to prevent the cancellation of the game therefore causing reality to unexist you for changing fate just like Sora did in 3
KINO

>>713398764
>>713398936
>on-modelfags
Oh, I understand what's going on now

>>713396701
Don't bother. KH discussion is a lot of "how I remember it not what actually happened".

>>713388802 (OP)
from what i understand, there are 2 universes and the original got completely destroyed by darkness while the current one where all is taking place is a carbon copy of the original?

>>713400349
It's usually "this is where I stopped".

>>713400543
No you silly. It's actually all the worlds used to be one world, but then a war broke out between keyblade wielders because hooded Deadpool teacher was manipulating them because he didn't believe they could save the universe because a magic eye that can see the future that wrote it down in a big book told him so, and also other characters were there. And if you die, you get sent to either the afterlife, or a mirror universe called "unreality" which ironically has a more realistic artstyle and likely where the MCU and SW worlds are,

>>713400975
>a magic eye that can see the future that wrote it down in a big book told him so
It's his eye, retard. He's the one that wrote the book.

>>713401519
Ah, that doesn't change anything

>>713401648
It does and you're fucking stupid because the Master's goal wasn't "we can't save it" but rather "we can't save it NOW"
His entire thing is a cosmic-scale long game to stop Darkness for good
Literally "you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet"

>>713392632
1 and 2 are great. Don't play 3 it's shit. Most of the other console games are meh.

>>713402493
so the first collection is good enough to get my KH fill?

>>713397852
Yeah, even with the long wait for 3, there used to be new Kingdom Hearts games coming out pretty regularly. I liked that.

>>713401776
>KHfag excuses both bad writing and the actions of the villain including mass murder and genocide
Yup, that tracks

>>713403610
What in the fuck are you going on about
I'm just correcting you because you don't know what's happening in the story
You call it "bad writing" but you can't even pay enough attention to know what's being written

>>713404165
My point was it doesn't fucking matter, because it was convoluted and makes the obvious villain dumb if it isn't trying to be one. Being pedantatic about me getting a detail slightly wrong, is just you being a petty bitch, rushing in to defend the series regardless of context.

KH4
>Replaced the villain from KH1-3 with comic relief Marvel quipping mobile gacha character who appeared in 2 cutscenes in the actual games for 6 minutes and 36 seconds
>Organization XIII is replaced with mobile gacha characters who have cardboard one dimensional personalities and appeared in 1 cutscene for 2 minutes and 55 seconds in the actual games
>In order to understand backstory you need to play mobile gacha (WHICH IS OFFLINE NOW)
>Another mobile gacha that was supposed to contain crucial backstory got cancelled
>QTEs
>Strong woman representation
>Unreal Engine 5
>Nomura is retiring and giving away the franchise to literally who
IT'S OVER

>>713388802 (OP)
and its arguably the best and most interesting the story has ever been.

The question is why did they put all the interesting story in these mobiles games and do nothing in the big games like 3?
The answer is probably Disney

>>713388802 (OP)
kingdom hearts was never good

>>713389180
>if you're unaware, ff14 and ff15 made kingdom hearts obsolete. everything is noctis dream and noctis isn't even real he's a shard reflection.
What delusion is this?

>>713388802 (OP)
You only need to play 1, GBA game/remake of it and 2. There, you don't need anything else in the Kingdom Hearts series.

>>713399886
>is called missing link
>it actually end up becoming a missing link in the series
NOMURAAAAAAAAAA

>In order to understand backstory you need to play mobile gacha (WHICH IS OFFLINE NOW)
Gee if only there is another way to get the story...

>>713409910
>>713407187
Fuck

>>713407187
It was over the moment the gacha shitshow became the cornerstone of Kingdom Hearts III and IV.