Thread 713433198

>Outlives Hearthstone
>Outlives Shadowverse
>Outlives every anime TGC outside of Pokemon
>Will soon outlive Y*gioh
Why is MTG so strong???

>>713433198 (OP)
The crossover slop has had the opposite intended effect and made me far less interested in ever getting into MTG.

>>713433198 (OP)
how do i sex lightning?
and how do i do it without seeing cloud?

sunk cost fallacy

I love lightning

>>713433272
Can't wait for the spider man crossover it's going to be so good. I love miles and Gwen they are a true power couple.

In truth I doubt it will sell as it should have been released when the movie comes out. Rushing it by a year tells me they have no faith in it either.

>>713433198 (OP)
it's so funny to say that magic outlived anything when all the card games took direct inspiration from it

>>713433198 (OP)
>>713433613
Why is the artwork so bad wtf happened to magic the one thing they had was artwork now it all looks like fan art

>>713433272
I don’t like it either, but making MtG the Fortnite of TCG’s was definitely part of their plan to make sure EDH is the only format you’ll ever play again

Anyone here got any good pulls? I’ve just been doing the normal boosters and the best one I got is a normal Vivi

Some things have just gone on too long or have a name so big that they simply can not fail, and end up long outliving the many imitators that try to take their crown just due to name value and established audience vs trying to advertise themselves and pull fans away from what came first.

The Simpsons is another example of this, or, to keep it vidya, Pokemon.

>>713433198 (OP)
I wouldn't exactly call it living

>>713433272
Well, yeah
You aren't exactly the target audience
They want people who never bought any of their products but care about seeing more consumerslop mass produced collectable of their favorite franchise
So if the later doesn't appeal to you, then there isn't anything worthwhile here anymore

>>713433986
I pulled a surge foil Yuna, Grand Summoner, which is around $540 right now.

>>713433198 (OP)
This looks like generic anime slop I can get in any other card game. Not why I played magic.

>>713433986
I stopped buying official cards after nigger LOTR characters and started making my own proxies instead, far more fun and everyone in my group make their own thematic decks

>>713433198 (OP)
What makes MTG a strong game is that the systems are perfect for limited play and fun fan formats.
Cube and EDH keep magic alive even when constructed formats suck ass to play. Hearthstone and Yugioh don't have the luxury
(Yes I know people play cube in yugioh but draft formats fucking suck ass in yugioh)

>looked at old commander deck
>felt pang of nostalgia knowing the game is a shitty collab milker now
how do i get rid of the few singles i have

>>713435623
ebay or sell to one of the mtg online stores

>>713433198 (OP)
>Universlop Beyond

>>713435607
Making EDH the main format killed this game for me. I wanted to play at GP’s and SCG events, not at the kitchen table with the same 4 people every week for the rest of my life

EDH is only popular because it's the only format where skill matters, standard, pioneer and modern are mulligan simulators without decision making

>>713433198 (OP)
Did hearthstone die? I quit it years ago

>>713433895
On the one hand I prefer Commander just cause I prefer running singleton decks anyway.

On the other hand, I don’t think being accidentally being catered to by WoTC in this instance is worth the enshittening of MTG that is the main cost.

>>713434843
Yeah, colleccucks will buy cards they don' even play, cards prices will go up, investors will buy too because it's a nu-reserved list. Players get fucked

>>713433198 (OP)
they made aragorn black so on principle i'd rather nuclear bomb their head office than spend a penny on any mtg product

>>713433198 (OP)
>army of one
>her power relies on cooperation

>>713433198 (OP)
King of retards

>>713433198 (OP)
Sorry, Y'shtola is queen of MtG.
These prices had risen since last week lmao

>>713436380
>EDH
>Skilled
Lol LMAO even.
EDH is the most casual format, literally made to be played casually in between real rounds of magic.

MTG is dogshit. I stopped buying and playing it after they raped Lord of the Rings. It was unforgivable. Anyone who still plays this is a retard.

Card fags are not video games. You have your own board.

>>713437339
Retard

>>713437339
We both know that's not true anymore, nobody uses Elder Dragon decks and all standard decks having the 80% the same cards turned the "real" formats into just mulligan until you get a good hand and win, pretty much like modern YGO 1TKO metas

>>713433198 (OP)
it has trannies, nigger spider-man and redditbob now so it worse than dead

>>713437640
Peter Parker is black now?

>>713437318
I want that Graha card

>>713437713
I'm debating if I should put him in my Lifegain deck or if I should just make a deck with him as the commander

>>713437709
yes

>>713433198 (OP)
just play eternal card game instead
>campaign
>PvE gauntlet mode
>multiplayer casual or ranked
>draft against AI or other players
>monthly draft tournament
>incredibly generous f2p model
>pinnacle of digital-only CCGs

>>713437872
ok

magic has lost its identity with all these weird collaborations

>>713433198 (OP)
fortnight also is a rotting corpse waiting to die because of the shitty crossovers

>haven't played MtG in a decade, but the Final Fantasy set looks cool and significantly less faggy than a lot of the stuff they've released lately
>sister mentions wanting to get into MtG because she has friends into it in her area
>cave and buy cards to build a deck for my FF rat waifu so I have something new to play while teaching her
I ain't proud of it, but this is how they gotta do it if they want to keep Magic alive after all the AIDS that's been added. Add everyone's favorite fictional characters they want to get freaky with, and making building fun, synergistic decks around them possible.

>>713435138
So, if my opponent is Black and I'm White, THEY pay 4U instead of me for zero effect? SWEET!

>>713435607
Just imagine lotr black art but final fantasy, they'd have a meltdown shitshow.

the prices are stupid right now but at least the play boosters arent that expensive

>>713438262
I literally just ignore the sets I dont like, the FF set is the first set I brought in like a year

I'll stop playing MTG when YGO becomes good. Played Duel Links and Master Duel and it just fuels my hatred for that game even more.

>>713433986
I pulled borderless Sephiroth, fabled SOLDIER and borderless Bahamut

>>713438040
at least ff kind of makes sense

why the hell would I play EDH when I can play vintage or legacy.

>>713437216
I know, my yuna hit like 500 or 600.

>>713438636
>I'll stop playing when becomes good
good goy

>>713438775
Way fucking more than Fallout and Doctor Who certainly. Tolkien did too, but they couldn't help but stick their idealogue dick in that.

>>713438957
>it's Jewish to say a popular game is bad

>>713438040
The FF set is so nice because it is a lot like older MtG set. Like, who the fuck wanted Aetherdrift or the fucking Space thing they do next?

>>713439008
>golem has poor reading comprehension
sasuga

>Return to Lorwyn finally got a sneak peek
>This
AHAHAHAHA

>>713438958
I don’t even play/collect mtg but it would be cool to get some of the ffix cards

>>713439158
anon being retarded on purpose is a /r9k/ thing

>>713439252
>random newfagbabble

>actually had some fun playing FF draft
I am now part of the problem, fug

I demand an apology from every retard on here who was going
>Lmao anon standard isn't just RDW, you're not actually dying on T3 sephiroth is totally going to shake up the format

>>713433198 (OP)
No one cares about MTG anymore, they only want the crossover cards. The brand is dead.
I stopped playing after Modern Horizons 2 and that was too late.

>>713439213
Zidane, Vivi, Garnet, Steiner, Freya, and Quina all got cards from what I've seen. Also some non-Party character like Brahne, Stiltzkin, Beatrix, and of course Kuja.

Check your local gaming shops. Most keep a catalog of draft cards they buy back from people.

>>713439372
Did you just learn to greentext or something anon.
>>713439668
I don't really play standard was the Izzet deck all about Vivi?

>>713433272
Look, I saw Tiamat and went in HARD.

>>713438040
Ah yes, the "identity" of magic

>>713439841
yeah, I’ll get some of the cheap ones but the vivi one looks real nice but it’s too expensive

>>713438040
No one cares about your Multiversal Lesbian Adventures, kiss the ring or Fuck Off.

>>713433198 (OP)
>Why is MTG so strong???
because it was the first TCG (aside from the ones that use sportsball cards)

>>713433198 (OP)
They cleverly use crossovers as smokescreen to redirect discussion away from their comically evil corporate bullshit like when they called the PINKERTONS on someone.

>>713437339
I played standard for years. I now play CEDH.
CEDH is far, far more complex. Though standard is easier to curate competitively.

>>713440646
>it took seven days for The One Ring (1of1) to surface
>it graded at PSA 9

>>713440646
Kill yourself scum. Their "lord of the rings" sham was the worst embarassment I've ever seen in my entire life. Even Rings of Power was more respectful of the source material. And THAT'S fucjing crazy.

>>713438040
If this were like 15 years ago I'd agree.
Having lived through the shitty ass Gatewatch era. No fuck that, give me UBs before making me deal with Nissa and Chandra's shit again

>>713433198 (OP)
FFXII WAS ROBBED.

>NO (ORIGINAL DESIGN)VAYNE
>NO LARSA
>NO (UNIQUE) CIDOLFUS
>NO BASCH
>NO PENELO
>NO OCURRIAS
>YZMAT IS A SHIT
>NO FFXII ESPERS AS SAGA CREATURES

FUCK OFF, WOTC!

>>713441094
How was Atherdrift again?

>>713433613
Anon this image is illegal in krautistan

The only people still playing MTG are parasocial losers who follow their favorite youtubers hobbies.

>>713441256
Dogshit. Like every set released in the last 15 years. Now do a flip, shit colored faggot.

>>713441449
Stay salty

Haven't played a FF since 8 a few years ago so I don't really care much for this set, but I do like how much more annoying it has made my favorite deck.

>>713441623
You're an embarassment.

>>713439863
Yeah. Drop vivi T3 and play 8 cantrips/pump spells and swing in for game.

>>713433272
and?
you're literally one retard
this collab has outsold every other set before even being release than any other set has sold in their lifetime

>>713441203
I mean I, III and V got it worse
>no Warrior of Light card
>no Onion Knight card
>Lenna isnt even in the art as an easter egg or something, XIV stole the job mechanics and Bartz got...a bird deck

>>713433781
>Why is the artwork so bad wtf
weak bait

MtG is only alive because of collabs

>>713441623
Why don't you post your blackwashed art, reddit?

This extended art Tezzeret looks sick IMO.

>>713438040
NOOOOOOOOOO MY NIGGERS AND TRANNIES
HOW DARE YOU HAVE COOL CHARACTERS AGAIN

>>713441979
How good even is his -3?

>>713433732
Magic is the only game where deckbuilding actually matters (read: lands and how they function as resources in MtG are intrinsic to the deckbuilding).

That being said, man is it a bad time to be a Magic player. Universes Beyond shit is proving to be absolute hell to survive through.

>>713438040
Yes, I'm sure Lord of the Rings or Final Fantasy stole the identity of Magic.

>>713441737
>no Warrior of Light card

>>713442048
Highly dependent on the format. I’d expect him in everything modern and older at the very least. And he seems like an instant Vintage Cube staple.

>>713442191
The card you posted is more in line with jotc's "lotr" set than with the actual Lord of the Rings. Or frankly any other adaptation of it.

>>713441719
and will those sales be converted into longtime players or will they fuck off immediately?

>>713442403
dunno what mechanic he should have had but I just wanted a new card for mister Final Fantasy himself.

>>713442191
People said Secret Lair was a slippery slope right from the first Walking Dead cards.

>>713442048
I expect the +1 to be doing most of the work with this card, but the -3 is really fucking solid and can fetch gas or sideboard cards on a whim.

>>713439027
Yes, DFT and EOE suck but let's not pretend that "LotR and FF are sooooo MtG-like!"

>>713442649
>>713442403
Warrior of Light should have been the big "hero" archetype pay off

>"As long as WoL is on the field, all hero type creatures on the field get all the abilities(Flying, menace, etc) and creature types WoL has. When WoL enters, attach any number of non-colorless equipment to it.

>>713442048
rather play trinket mage tier
this tezzeret is straight ass

>>713441979
>Doesn't say nontoken
What are these fucking clowns doing?

is there a chance that theyll make FF part 2

>>713443143
The card sucks even if it has infinite loyalty.

>>713442603
Well these sets are happening because LOTR did so well, and that was two years ago. And the advantage I think MTG has over most of the other crossover CCGs is that the game itself is really fucking good and people play it a lot all the time because of that. You can always find players nearby.

>>713438040
MTG is still getting the same number of in-universe story releases each year, calm the f*ck down

>>713433198 (OP)
>giving nuWOTC money
>support nuMTG
lame and gay

>>713440964
CEDH is a joke format that is never going to replace competitive. We want to play the game the way it was meant to be played.
The game is JUST edh now cuz WotC are huge faggots

>>713444645
The truth is because competitive is FUCKING BORING, everyone uses the same meta decks with the same meta cards every single fucking time with barely any variation, using old cards that are so good they're expensive as shit limiting people from playing in most tournaments while new sets barely get 1 or 2 cards that are good enough to MAYBE be usable under certain circumstances.
CEDH is full of fucking faggots too, but at least you see some variation and constant changes in the meta with every set that comes out

>>713433198 (OP)
Is it really living when you're a shadow crawling inside a funko pop shaped husk?

>>713445103
Do anons think Funko Pops were the first collectables or something?

>>713445230
It's the most famous collab focused one
No I don't care the grugnords did it first in 1964

>>713433198 (OP)
magic cards are just funko pops with higher profit margins now
the game is dead

>ff16 super overrepresented
it's never going to be a thing SE just let it go

>>713444973
Swinging with an 11/11 Death Shadow and giving it Temur Battle Rage on turn 3 or bringing back 2 Phoenixes on turn 1 in modern is more fun than anything I've ever had with EDH/CEDH. Nobody but slop guzzling retards enjoys CEDH and the people who were playing this game before covid just want their hobby back.
I had way more fun going to locals and seeing 20+ friends who I'd hang out with later.

>>713445875
might as well just coin toss and see who wins if your wincon takes less time to do than it takes to shuffle your deck

>plays edh
>Plays MLD
>Locks all boards into unwinnable states
>Concedes the game after convincing the entire table to focus on the most toxic player

Anyone else me?

>>713444973
Competitive magic, real magic, ranging from FNM up, is by and large fun. It is not perfect, there have been some very rocky formats, but between banlists and set releases things usually get under control in time.
Cedh is vintage levels of unbalanced and will never have a banlist that culls the problem children because the core underlying philosophy of that gay baby format is if you don't like something you ask your pod to not play it. 4 player magic also inherently sucks.

All the cards having paragraphs of rules text, even at one or two mana, is hilarious. The game's design has gone out the window, it's soulless crap. Reminds me of that fire emblem gacha

>>713446402
This isn't Yugioh, but competitive is meant to be fast. You still have plenty of ways to counter the shit I talked about doing anyways.
I really hate how Timmy's EDH group became WotC's top priority. I just wanted to go to GP's again

I got banned from my local cardshop otherwise I would've loved to get the final fantasy cards

>>713446728
Attempted theft or racial slur, call it.

>>713446897
Week without showering or punching a person fro losing could also be the cause.

>>713433198 (OP)
mtg is a literally who in the only tcg market that matters (japan)

>>713433272
I quit a few years ago and never looked back

>>713447107
Do people even play Pokemon or do they just collect the cards?

>>713444645
>We want to play the game the way it was meant to be played.
Kitchen table?

>>713446973
>>713446897
I was trying to think through my moves close to time while a judge was watching. the judge kept telling me to hurry up. He was being really rude so I told him to kiss my ass

>>713447532
60 card decks, 4 copies of any card minus basic lands, best of 3 with sideboard. Top 8 gets paid out in prize support at the end of the night

>be absolute shit at magic
>decide, "ahh fuck it, I'll try some commander since I am a casual piece of shit anyways" and head to the lgs on commander night
>30+ people there who are all somehow worse than I am
>winning with a thrown together pile of vaguely synergistic cards against people with absurd "bracket 4" decks full of "game changers" that should be reliably winning on turn 4 but aren't because these people clearly just looked something up on edhrec and threw in the 99 most expensive cards or some shit, don't know basic strategy, and get absolutely blasted by even moderate interaction
>somehow quickly gain a reputation as one of the best players there and people are constantly looking to me to resolve rules confusion
Literally "strongest commander player vs weakest standard player" shit

I understand the appeal now at least.

>>713447107
Americans have a lot more money than most other people in the world on average

>>713447667
>4 copies of any card minus basic lands
this rule originally didn't even exist because they didn't think that anyone would be autistic enough to try to get a dozen copies of one card just to win

>>713447727
commanderfags are exceptionally retarded and the main way they win is bullying/socially pressuring people into nerfing their own decks or leaving the table lol.
It didnt use to be this bad but after covid a metric fuck ton of low investment redditors got into the game.

>>713447818
Praying to draw your one-ofs isn't a strategy.

>>713447908
But you said you were more concerned about the intended way to play the game, which is in a setting where nobody takes it seriously enough to need a rule where you're not allowed to have more than 4 copies of a card in a deck.

>>713441630
why is every other secret lair some ugly psychedelic/adventure time shitfest?

>>713447532
The basis of set design for over 2 decades was
>FNM Standard
And
>FNM Draft
This was replaced sometime in late 2010/early 2020 with edh as the primary focus and the game has been on an extremely noticable decline for gameplay since.

>>713448036
only after they realized how much money competitive players were willing to spend

>>713447107
DUEL MASTERS MASTER RACE

Take the Yugioh pill

>>713448325
I play master duel. It's fine enough in digital. You are not ever going to convince me to fork over 600+ dollars to play that game in paper.

>>713448389
You don't have to get a meta deck m8

>>713433198 (OP)
I hope to see an SMT/persona crossover one day.
Still, me and my friends like this edition,but we like FF (haven't played mtg in years)

>>713433198 (OP)
Crossover appeal and the people I see at my LGS who spend more a month on MTG than they've spent their entire lives on personal hygiene

>>713448418
>You don't have to have a good deck
Yes you do. I am not going to spend 4 hours of my day and pay the buy in cost to go get washed by the local big fish so I can play a round or two of weenie hut jr level yugioh every week.

>>713442079
>Magic is the only game where deckbuilding actually matters (read: lands and how they function as resources in MtG are intrinsic to the deckbuilding).
My dude have you played magic in the last few years? Wotc turned it into a 3 turn brawler where lands and resources dont matter because mindlessly spamming 1 mana spells is the only tier 1 deck

>>713433198 (OP)
>Pokemon outsells mtg at every turn without needing to sell out for crossover slop like some kind of a funko pop card game
How does the yellow rat do it bros?

>>713433198 (OP)
My wife Claire is so cute.

>commander in theory was just a deck themed around a cool legend that was like your general
>in reality its turbo combo or generic value pile combined with shitters socially manipulating one another for easy wins

>>713448746
Cashing in on almost 3 decades of nostalgia building. It wasn't that long ago that nobody gave a shit about pokemon cards.

>>713447107
i wish duel masters kept being released in english, the art is really good and mechanics fun

>>713448746
the rise in popularity of "investing" in trading cards. people don't buy shit to collect or play, they buy it to sell to other investors

>>713448530
That's literally me

>>713437216
>they gave the catgirl a really busted commander ruleset
They knew what they were doing.

>>713448012
All competitive games allow more than 1 copy of a card unless it's a special excecption like the ultimate rares in DBS

>>713448418
You 100% do. You will get beat down very badly by motherfuckers playing slop piles if you try to bring your pet deck.
Like that other anon said, though, MD is good for YGO since it's much better played digitally.

>>713449225
We're talking about magic as it was originally released.

>>713449371
Magic when it originally released also required gambling and had mana burn. Stop being facetious

>>713448895
>it wasnt that long again
Its been 5 years since all tcgs have been ruined by investment bros.

>>713449523
>i want to play the game the way it was meant to be played
>no that doesn't count

>>713437216
Literally clowning on Cloud and Sephiroth and the only ones selling for more and the coloured travelling chocobos due to serialisations.
It is fucking obscene how expensive these cards are.

>>713448023
hate to break it to you pal but none of those cards are SL drops and that version of tom is worth over $200

>>713448023
The market for them is apparently large. I wish it wasn't because they're so fucking ugly.

Has he been playtested in EDH enough to know how busted he is? Because on first read this card is downright broken. Mono black is already the strongest mono color in the game, and there is a shit fuck ton of cards to turn on his engine and drain the table. I want to build him, but I don't want to pay $100 for the Nomura art. Hoping he drops in price in the new few months

>>713441090
>grading it with PSA at all
How much grading fee did they calculate for that? $5000?

>>713451047
okay my bad but the point still stands, what's up with all the psychedelic alt arts everywhere

>>713442678
>I'm going to Alice

>>713452119
>playtested in EDH

>>713447505
The online version of it is very succesful and probably directly linked to the success of the physical cards, since they come with a code to redeem a free pack in the game

>>713441630
Why does the Tom Bombadil card look like a Greatful Dead album?

TOTAL KOT DOMINATION

$1000 SOON

>>713453353
EDH is the only fun format, besides Pauper and Draft

>>713433198 (OP)
>MTG morphing itself into becoming the Fortnite of TCGs
>Main cancer killing Pokemon's TCG found MTG because of the FF set
>He thinks MTG will outlive anything after this

>>713454013
Anon the FF set sold more than any other set previously in MTG history

>>713433198 (OP)
fun gameplay and combos, they've had the longest time to see what works and what doesn't

>>713448325
Yugioh is fucking garbage.

>>713454290
Scalpers sells don’t count, try again kiddo

>>713454290

>Produce 10000 of boxes
>All sold because of low supply, high demand
>"Best selling set of all time"

Now are sources saying that FF is "the best selling set of all time" or "the most sold/bought set of all time"?

Cause there is a difference

>>713453171
i specifically bought that version of the card because the rules text is pretty complex and it's impossible to read, so it's a bit funny to hand people the card and tell them to read it when they ask about what he does. i think i paid about $10 for it when the set first dropped. completely agree with you those alt arts suck ass. the full art cards (i think they are called extended art) with the normal rules text are the best imo

>>713447118
My fellow FaBchad

>>713455286
Those are just going by pre order sale numbers anon and you know which one you're just being a faggot

>>713449523
card games are inherently gambling

Im honestly suprised how good the drafting of FF is. It might be the best format since ONE.

>>713452119
He's solid. His blood artist effect being target player rather than all opponents is awkward in a multiplayer format, so you are gonna need to run more of that effect to really get the most out of that part of the strategy. Making an uninteractable emblem is pretty fucking cool though, He has good card draw potential on his transformed side, but his front side is one card a turn, which is fine, but most card draw engine commanders can do better with less investment. Compare another card in a similar archetype released recently: Zurgo Stormrender, who is fairly popular, I would consider sephiroth to be a sidegrade to them.

>>713438636
Yugioh is too far gone bro. It can never be good again unless they remove 10+ years of cards from the game and fundamentally readjust what a game of Yugioh entails

i quit this game entirely after march of the machines. that was the point for me when i realized this game has no cohesive art/style direction anymore, regardless of the secret lair junk, and it just got too gimmicky (it was already getting gimmicky).

shame, a good limited set probably was my favorite game ever.

i see this new ff set has already hit $200 for print to demand boxes, so grats to wotc. the thing that made me quit is clearly working for them.

>>713433198 (OP)
Bro the new shadowverse released like 5 days ago

>>713433272
Crying about crossovers making something "bad" and "fortnite" inherently without any sense of nuance is extremely pathetic and childish

>>713456612
>Jin Giraxias's art is one of the things that brought me into magic, an abomination of metal with traces of organic fluids and sinew
>10 years later make him slip and fall into a vat of his piranhas
Look I'm not saying that magic's lore was always this 10/10 pinnacle of storytelling but jesus christ how did it go so wrong?

>>713443154
At least a few years, but there's still plenty of the well to draw on, like characters they missed, spin off's or sequels or games with a rough tie in....Id eat up some Kingdom Hearts related cards >.>

>>713457509
They were trying to copy Marvel’s story telling and focused too much on EDH.
Timmies who exclusively play commander will guzzle slop down every time you give it to them.

are the commander decks gonna get restocked or is it joever

>>713457938
commander decks should see frequent restocks. This is a print to demand set, so the only thing that is really going to be hard to find are collector booster exclusive shit.

>>713455560
>you know which one you're just being a faggot

No I don't know. Did they pre-sell 100% of their product or pre-sell 1 million boxes?

should i double sleeve these niggas or is that a meme

>>713449080
>busted
>4 mana pinger
lol no

>>713457509
he didn't slip and fall, he was thrown in

>>713459538
Double sleeve them if you plan on using them

>>713459538

Sleeve tifa, jar sephiroth

>>713460097
i got a yuna and a baster sword, do i put them in the cum jar too?

>>713433198 (OP)
that card is fuckign insane

>>713433895
Outside Vivi and Shitfa what else from the set causes problems?

>>713462335
>/2
Literally unplayable.

>>713462335
3 mana 3/2 in RW without haste is kinda lame. I'd have dropped Lifelink for haste designing her

>>713433198 (OP)
I only hear about the crossover sets now. Does anyone care about the original sets anymore? Genuinely haven't played since kaladesh.

>>713462682
Tifa isn't doing shit, best claim she has is modern infect coping

>>713463702
card games are just paper funko pops now

>>713463702
The magic setting has been poisoned by horrible set themes so much that a large amount of people embraced the crossovers with open arms because it has characters they give a shit about again. The ones who did care have left.

>>713457509
>but jesus christ how did it go so wrong?
Read literally any amount of lore post urza
Then read actual good 80s-90s fantasy novels then re-read urza
Magic writing has been unmitigated ass since the very start, every set is basically the shitty version of whatever is popular in fantasy at the time

I dont play magic but i love lightning and have some questions:
>is this card hard to get or expensive?
>is it a good card in the game or is it just a novelty?
>is it legal in most competitive play?

>>713433198 (OP)
>outlives
magic died in 2009 though

>>713441979
>Tezzeret
>Colorless
>Planeswalker
>In post tree hyperspace rape mtg
what the fuck are they doing now with the story is the star trek set any interesting or are only the cardboard huffers into it?

>>713464970
>$20 for the cheapest version, upwards of $300 for the surge foil
>Its seeing some fringe play in a popular deck but its a singleton in maybe half the placing decks (the price is 90% waifufags)
>Legal in every format that allows rares

>>713457938
>are the commander decks gonna get restocked or is it joever
Its a standard legal set. Everything in it is going to get printed into the ground for the next 4 years except the collectors packs and the bundles

>>713465368
>$300 for the surge foil
Brutal

>managed to get a collector box only slightly scalped early on
>going for 1,200 now
tempting to keep this and just buy a bunch of singles i wanted to get if it keeps going up

>>713433272
The crossovers/powercreep made me drop it too, but we're not the target. They want the subhuman funkopop audience, and they got it.

>>713433272
>>713466649
The problem with basing a business model on tourists is that they leave. If the game isn't fundamentally good then you have to rely on bringing in people to check out the latest crossover and then make sure you have the next one ready to replace them when they get bored and leave.

>>713467627
It worked for Fortnite. Fuck this gay shit. Every nerd hobby has been enshittened in the last ten years, there are none worth engaging with anymore.

>>713467849
Fortnite is a decent battle royale, it's enough to retain people.

My beloved time sorceress

>>713466105
and $20 for the normal one
MtG took on sports card models some years back, theres like 9 versions of every rare and one of them is the multiple hundreds of dollars version

>>713467849
>Multiverse your product
>Make a gazillion dollars
>It works everytime
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>713467627
It's true
I'm a newfag that got mythic in arena in a week and left because all people play up there are autism combo decks made by some chink that win on turn 3

>>713463414
this
every meta deck instantly deletes it

>>713433986
I got a surge foil of the precon tidus alt and the rarity misprint Yuna

>>713459538
Tifa is meta and like 60 dolla

>>713433986
I think the most expensive thing ive pulled has been that $15 yuna followed by the alt art valentine. Normally i do better but I only got in one round of collectors flip it or rip it

>>713468220
She deserves it, I've never had a gf but I have lightning

>>713469672
>Tifa is meta
Lol

>>713466370
Collectors boxes dont get true reprints, at most their will be some "holiday special" packs or something thats just collectors minus the biggest chases. Barring a Buds event happening it can only go up

>>713469672
*6 dorra

>>713448116
Secondary market for singles doesn't generate huge profits from packs, especially gay shit like collector boosters.

If you need a playset of a $5 rare to round out your deck to be competitive, buy a few packs and trade for what you want. Worst case scenario, you're out $20 and have exactly what you need without lane boxes of unwanted commons and basic lands. But the faggots that spend $50 for a single booster pack because it says "collector" on it? Ten commons worth a penny each, four uncommon worth a nickel each of you're lucky (regardless of variants or full art or curly foils), and a 1/200 chance that the rare is more than $1. On the one in a 50 pack chance that you get the exact chase card, with the correct variant art and the correct foil and the correct texture and the correct condition, you *may* have a $500 card...if anyone wants it, and is willing to pay that much...and you spent $2,500 to get it, what's the point? My $5 plain rare is just as tournament legal as your $500 gacha prize.

>>713433198 (OP)
>funkopop the tcg
>run by giga jews for giga jews
Lmao

>>713441290
what why

>>713441290
>Lightning is a nazi
brb, buying XIII trilogy at full price

>>713471887
Why are you so mad about a game you dont play?

>>713472037
SS runes

>>713447837
This
Add a lot of commander players rely on social pressure to make their decks work anyways, like a ramp deck that has to convince everyone else it's helpless and not a real threat for 5 fucking turns, or a counter deck that only works so long as nobody is willing to have their card be countered, but then once their counter is burnt, just die to getting bum rushed.
Actually just... playing the game at them, folds a fuckton of decks made by dedicated commander players, and you can regularly just attack with everything, because a lot of them are too scared to leave themselves open.
Hell, avoiding getting drowned in the "potential" of a commanders effects, and just picking a reasonably priced beatstick beats a fuckton of decks, too.

>>713472140
Congratulations, you're getting three really good highly underrated games.

>>713471887
>But the faggots that spend $50 for a single booster pack because it says "collector" on it? Ten commons worth a penny each, four uncommon worth a nickel each of you're lucky (regardless of variants or full art or curly foils), and a 1/200 chance that the rare is more than $1
Unc aint plaid since alara block lmao

I havent played MtG since the LotR set was announced because of how pissed I was at the Tolkien estate. How is the state of the game these days?

>>713473438
Ramp decks are not good because of social pressure, they are good because the ability to deal 40 damage in 5 turns is not common, especially without also going all in and leaving yourself vulnerable to the other two players.

Ramp is overtuned in EDH because there is no counterplay to it (JotC are kikes that are too scared to print land destruction) and the expensive cards generate a fuckton of value even if instantly removed. The aggro strategies that keep ramp in check in 60 card formats are too bad at card advantage and frequently completely fold to a board wipe so they are not good options.

Every EDH nigger either plays some retarded solitaire combo or gay ramp bullshit.

>>713473087
"Investors" and the secondary market being catered to in the way that WOTC/Hasbro has been doing is WHY I'm not playing. I got priced out by people that don't even play. Priced out of the game I grew up with since day one by whales who don't even like the game. Whales that buy cases at full retail prices and then sit on them for years and decades and sell for markups beyond reason because scarcity. Its only scarce because the people who aren't even the intended demographic, who aren't the playerbase, who aren't even interested in the game as a game, rob the actual players of the actual cards.

And the worst of all of it is sites like tcgplayer being held out as the "go-to" price guide for the entire game. Because one person, one time, on the other side of the planet with an e-shop sold one card, one time, to one waifufag retard who just wanted that specific card in that specific condition, that particular "sale" is now treated as the mandatory minimum sale price for everyone else now. $2 cards shouldn't be $50 each because someone at a tournament misplaced their sideboard and their options were buy the card from an obvious pirate of a vendor, or be disqualified for incomplete deck.

This isn't whining about meta this or counter meta that. A $1 card with a particular foil on it shouldn't make it $50+. $2, maybe. But this air of speculators and investors and trend chasing faggotry and social media pundit influencers fuck it up for everyone that should matter to the company that produces game pieces for game players.

It's been poison to the fabric of the gaming community since the beginning, and the greedy Jews running the show just turbo boosted it beyond calculation.

>>713474012
I would argue ramp isnt even that good because its so easy to combo off in commander. Every single one of black's cards that turn life into some other resource are so broken in that format

>>713473510
go to bed Toriyama

>>713444041
Doesn't matter if I still have to play against a mlp, final fantasy, SpongeBob, spiderman aggro deck at fnm

>MTG or PTCG
Which one can last longer out of pure brand loyalty?
I'd say Pokemon, but MTG is doing so many faggot-ass crossovers to regain relevance, so I don't know.

>>713433781
It's actually the opposite, the only good art in the FF set is the one done by the japs.

>>713474009
About the same, its only been a couple years.
Standard has a 90% luck combo deck thats like a fifth of the meta

>>713474695
Pokemon still has little kids giving the game value even if the scalpers and "investors" fuck off
mtg is legitimately dead in every department. Tournies are dead, any format except commander is dead, anything that isnt crossover slop sells poorly. The second investors start cashing out will be when a massive bubble pops and mtg just dissappears overnight.

>>713433198 (OP)
It was fun for a bit but now its all back to meta garbage and seeing the same 4 decks all the time again. Boring as heck.

>>713433272
I quit when it was announced UB was going to be made comp legal, honestly with how much I was spending on magic to only play with friends once a week, good riddance

>>713433198 (OP)
I dont play MTG but I'm really tempted to get some packs because its Final Fantasy.... to get emet selch would I need to get a booster box?

>>713433272
It's a scalper paradise lol

>>713433613
what the fuck lightning is a nazi?!

>>713475137
This
Pokemon has artifical longevity because kids will always want shit. Even if the scene for the game collapses, the cards themselves will remain.
Yugioh, if it persists at all, WILL pivot to a digital card game. The irl game is incredibly offputting to new players nowadays, between cards you need a degree to parse, shuffling a gorillion times per turn, and a turn that doesn't break any rules being genuinely easy to achieve by accident, and impossible to call out if deliberate.
Magic is in a very tenuous state right now. A lot of oldfags are fucking done with the crossover shit, the cards are currently more important to scalpers and outside collectors than players, and most of the current playerbase is fickle outsiders who will inevitably wander off. It's salvagable currently, but I'm not sure they'll do it.

>>713433198 (OP)
I want a Kefka deck but I don't want to pay $1000 for a grixis deck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZoe-r9qb0

>>713475543
>doesn't break any rules being genuinely easy to achieve by accident,
Got distracted mid post.
A turn that breaks no rules being genuinely difficult to achieve

>>713433986
I mean thats the best card you can get, right?

>>713475543
>kids will always want shit
>artificial longevity
Do words even mean anything anymore?

>>713475543
>It's salvagable currently
I legitimately dont think it is. The integrity of the game as a game is basically non-existant because powercreep has hit the ceiling of how powerful a card can be. Standard is a turn 2-3 format atm for example

Holy shit I just checked prices for FF boxes and it's ridiculous. Have all of the UB stuff been this expensive or is it just FF?

>>713475310
>to get emet selch would I need to get a booster box?
MtG collecting tip, if you have a card you want just buy the card
Go to your local store and ask for their FF stuff, guys maybe $10 for the full art.

>>713475860
What I mean is the cards will persist even if the game collapses.
Artificial, in the sense that it is being fueled by something outside the game itself, that being the brand tie in.

>>713475898
all the crossover shit gets scalped and then scalpers sit on the boxes hoping theyre worth 40 gajillion dollars a decade later

>>713475910
ah I see
thank you anon

>order 20 boosters because they're out of boxes
>cancel order, want to order a box since they're in stock but never do
>20 boosters show up to my door despite cancelling the order and getting a refund
works for me but these were my only non-fodder pulls (the hidden one is the alt Chromatic Lantern)

>>713433198 (OP)
It's weird, compared to like the fallout tv show or the cyberpunk anime this collab is not boosting any of the FF games, hell the only game that gained a bunch of players is MTG arena.

>>713475543
>Magic is in a very tenuous state right now
Rudy from alpha investment is saying that this is the best magic market has ever been

>>713475889
It could be
It would take pretty drastic measures, to the tune of "The last few sets were a mistake, these cards are now uniformly banned in formal tournaments, of course you can use whatever you please on your kitchen table" but it could be done.
It won't be done, because it would be disastrous to short term profits, but it could be.

>>713476148
Now think Anon, why does a man with so much stake in the game constantly spout about how healthy Magic is to his audience?

Unrelated, but what the FUCK was the point of the MTG My Little Pony crossover? And why did the card art make them look like weird fish-eyed monsters?

>>713476148
Because they're cashing out a sustainable market for immediate profit.
It's the best It's ever been, because nothing is going to be left afterwards. It's a flea market of intellectual property and brand image.

>>713476360
they were secret lair drops. theres all sorts of weird art and cartoon crossovers in secret lairs

>>713447727
>be me
>buy the 7 and 10 precons commander decks and 1 of each single related to 7 and 10, jam them into the precons regardless of synergy or usefulness
>refuse to add non-ff cards to the deck to improve it
why yes, I am happy with my purchase, how could you tell?

>>713476360
Easy money from an IP crossover within hasbro that has no effect on any part of the game
The cards arent even good, its just more official pony merch from hasbro

>>713476624
theyre not bad but they're also not legal in ANY format, not even commander

>>713476335
>>713476368
You guys might be right but a great point he's making is that demand is still insane and the prices just keeps going up
I think this is just truly a perfect storm of beloved 30 years old ip collabing with a great collectible product that has the right mix of art and gaming

>>713433198 (OP)
>Why is MTG so strong?
Are you some kind of retard? WoTC had to dump a whole bunch of cards in the landfill cause they overproduced them and the stockholder were going after them for devaluing cards cause WoTC keeps reprinting them. YuGiOh and Pokemon running circles around them.

>>713476778
What does that have to do with playing Magic the Gathering, retard?

>>713476335
Pretty much this, dude dropped a couple of milli on this and he's the biggest mtg merchant on youtube.

>>713447107
I cannot fucking believe how hard Hazbro is blueballing us with Duel Masters so they can control the market with MtG

>>713433198 (OP)
MTG has been around for decades before most of those existed. I assume this thread is just an excuse to post MTG cards with a question that dumb.

>>713477095
I'm saying scalpers and normies own your game lilbro lmao

>>713477304
Like most actual players, I've quit, but good luck when you find out your """investments""" have nobody that want to actually buy them

Gundam TCG is going to btfo all the others... right?

>>713477259
It's incredible how scared they are of Duema

>>713476148
>>713476778
>b-but the market
sales being propped up by people who want to larp as stock traders is not a good thing, you're fucking over people who would play your game for the rest of their lives in favor of people who will drop it the second they get convinced that buying your cardboard won't make them rich.

>>713433198 (OP)
>outlives a bunch of IPs that came a decade or more after it
Whoa.
>>713433986
Borderless Cloud, which was like 40 bucks last I looked like a week ago.

>>713438040
MTG has been a meme game for fucking forever now. Spongebob and Cloud being in it doesn't make the circus any more ridiculous.

>>713442403
that is Jodah. He doesn't have his own dedicated card

>>713446420
>plays EDH
>entire pod uses 4000 dollar decks with OG dual lands and gaia's cradle and shit
>cannot hope to compete
>anytime I get something good out in what is essentially an upgraded precon, it's instantly nuked, especially from specific friend who I am 90% sure is stacking his deck
>when anyone gets attacked they bitch and moan
is commander supposed to be fun?

>>713442403
couldnt even give him a card that has warrior or hero subtype

hes a fucking wizard

>>713478420
just show up one night in a mask and rob them (ironically, in minecraft)

>>713447645
>I was trying to think through my moves
how long did this take?
The brother of a dude I play with literally took 30 actual full minutes once. Depending on how long it took, you absolutely deserve it, it doesn't take that long to decide

>>713447532
unironically only respectable format

>>713478420
commanderfags will tell you with a straight face that the format is ultra casual as they brag on /tg/ about their 500$ monthly card purchase

>>713468220
Damn i want. I dont play magic but im such a waifufag for lightning

>>713478884
why do people unironically waifufag over such a bland looking woman with a fridge body?

>>713464970
>is this card hard to get or expensive?
regular art is about 15 bucks
>is it a good card?
Yes, the effect that it creates that doubles damage can be very devastating, especially considering it's not OPT so you could theoretically stack the effect. Running it in decks that would give it double strike or additional combat phases can make a good deck, but I guess that also depends on which format you're playing it in. It'll probably see best usage in commander, though probably not CEDH, but you could make a fun deck that is usable.
>legal
Yes, it's legal in all formats except pauper

This set got me to finally commit to a FF game and I chose 6. Which version of it should I play though?

>>713478775
I think in theory it could be fun and casual, but what people fail to realize is that MTG fags are faggots and can't into diplomacy.

>>713479547
SNES the rest are auditory and visual downgrades

>>713477428
I went to my LGS last week and asked about it. Apparently they're not even going to stock it. They got rid of Digimon too so now I have nowhere to play.

>>713478420
This is why I proxy every card/deck ever.
I'm not supporting a company who treats this game like funkopops and fortnite crossovers. Endless options for deck choices of all power levels that I can print while not enabling scalperfags

>>713478420
my pod is
>my brother, who refuses in and all attempts of diplomacy or talking, never throws anyone a bone, uses big beat down decks, and bitches for days on end when his shit is destroyed
>ultra whale friend who has multiple $6000+ dollar decks, including a fully pimped out Ur Dragon deck with ALL OG dual lands in it (he is also the aforementioned cheater) and constantly "forgets or misreads" effects despite being an ultra sweat who has basically very card memorized
>casual friend who doesn't really know what he's doing and every time he plays he just waits for someone to hit him once then hard focuses then with no attempt at winning the game
>troll friend who has decks entire designed around fucking with people with no actual win cons. He has a Baral deck that quite literally cannot win, he can only choose who loses.
>troll friends 2 brothers who are chill and normal, but refuse to attack troll friend and basically makes it 2/3v1
this game sucks

>>713478583
>how long did this take?
If a judge is badgering you it means youre at a sanctioned event with something on the line like an RCQ or a large scale tournament with a lot of people who take the game very seriously.
If youre taking more than a minute to think out your plays with no game actions happening you are getting hit with a warning for slow play.

>>713480002
>This is why I proxy every card/deck ever.
they throw fits about proxies. I don't give a fuck one way or another, since this card game is ridiculously priced and no shit the dude with Ancient Tomb and Gaia's Cradle is going to have a huge advantage and that's just not reasonable for people to compete against, but almost everyone else says "well, they paid for it, they should be allowed to have that advantage, it isn't fair that they had to pay and someone else can just waltz in with the same advantage for no cost" which is a weird attitude to have when we're all playing around some dudes fucking table in his game room. They also all bitches and moaned about Mana Crypt getting banned

>>713480028
>this game sucks
so true oomfie

>>713478583
it was a weird match that lasted long. I played many matches but that one was just unusually long

>>713480341
it was just a local and the judge happened to be visiting

>>713478420
>Former FNM player pushed out of the game due to price/shit balancing
>Two different friend groups get into magic and only care about edh
>Both have a completely different >thatguy who sees no problem with running the table over with a 600+ dollar ur dragon deck
>Try to steer >thoseguys into playing something a little less powerful, ignored by both
>Both of those groups stopped playing because nobody but said ur dragon player was having fun

Magic: the Gathering took the Fortnite pill. Crossovers make more money than their actual game. I'm sure the enthusiasts of those fandoms are buying them but are they actually playing them or just treating it more like a collector's item? that might be a little harder to pinpoint.

>>713480682
>Try to steer >thoseguys into playing something a little less powerful, ignored by both
yeah, I remember suggesting lower power decks and his idea of a lower power deck is a relatively low power commander with a bunch of tutor cards, infinite win combos, absolutely no synergy with the commander and, of course, counter spells
Some people just don't have fun unless they're winning

>>713480353
its a whaling format of course they will seethe about proxies. All that matters is youre their punching bag for their 80$ cards. This is what commander devolved into and what it will remain as

>>713480341
he said something once about making a move, I ignored it cause I was still thinking through my move cause like I said, it was a weird game, the judge got mad that I ignored and told me that'd he DQ me unless I made a move. It was literally just 2 statements, he only did it cause he was mad I ignored him. If I knew I was gonna get permabanned from the store I would've said something worse than "kiss my ass"

>>713433198 (OP)
Since OG Yugioh is easier and more entertaining to learn than modern Yugioh, Yugioh needs to return or have a classic line.

>>713481247
>Yugioh needs to return or have a classic line.
they do, they have 2 formats for older play. GOAT is all from 2005 and back and Edison is from 2010 and back

>>713478420
I never understood commander. It was only just starting to be a concept when i stopped playing.
Everything i hear about it makes me glad i never tried it.

>>713481432
the format itself is literally non-functional and not compatable with mtg cards. Its a complete nightmare to play and its rules dont facilitate good gameplay.

why the fuck isn't there a good ass fucking card game jrpg with a god tier story mode?

>>713481593
there are a couple of good singleplayer cardgames if thats what you want

>>713481247
>have a classic line.
it does but they randomly decided to kill it and replace it with the classic formats from master duel

>>713481593
Dungeon Drafters though the story is pretty standard classic JRPG stuff

>>713481432
well the concept of it is fun, to me at least. 4v4 battle royale and since getting too big will instantly get you BTFO'd by 3 players destroying your shit so you have to pace yourself and try not to make enemies until you can successfully defend yourself. Also helps somewhat slower decks. Also profits off of cards that require your opponents to do shit since you have 3+ opponents now. What Wizards didn't account for is that MTG fans are giant whiny faggots and also the game is fast enough that for a good enough deck it is quite easy to take on 3 people, so whalefags bullying an entire pod is easy

>>713481593
Yugioh 5D's Stardust Accelerator
the Tag Force games are pretty good too

ENTER CUSTOM CARDS

why not 1v1 commander?

>>713481864
because you touch yourself at night

>>713475828
No, I’ve seen someone pull the nomura Sephiroth in a common booster

>>713433198 (OP)
30+ years of momentum

>>713479547
SNES, or mod the Pixel Remaster to have the original color palette. For some reason the remaster brightened the tiles of the world map

>>713433198 (OP)
It's not that Magic is strong, it's that the others are killing themselves with powercreep
Magic can just rotate strong cards out but it seems like they're taking the ironic self-awareness and crossover route and that may be poisoning their own well.

>>713481713
Konami took that back due to backlash

I want to make Terra good but goddamn it feels like she can't win any games I less I cheese out an infinite combo

>>713481864
you can play 1v1 commander, it just incentivizes fast decks way more than regular

>>713478775
Edh used to be the silly singleton format you'd build around your favorite dumb legendary card, and you'd play it before FnM started with your friends to pass the time. It was a hobby within a hobby, and nobody took it seriously- it's rules inherently disincentivized tryharding- singleton, a hundred cards, you always having access to a card- it was an excuse to play your Numot the Destroyers and Nicol Bolas's, and slip in unglued cards, and all the big dumb unplayable cards you loved but couldn't get away with using in constructed.
Then Wizards spent 15 years pandering to the format and it got more popular than the real magic formats, and that meant people started playing the joke format seriously, and Cedh was born.
Obviously the format has some depth, because people play it, but it's like playing Calvinball for money.

>>713481864
>>713482471
this is true, I play 1v1 with my bro constantly and our decks just keep getting faster and faster, we can tell who wins by like turn 3 or 4

>>713482326
>terra is lame
damn, what do you know, WOTC did their homework. Terra is a fag and Celes is the true heroine

>>713481864
because the formats run by some autists that make the old rules committee seem competent by comparison

>>713452119
>Mono black is already the strongest mono color in the game

Not even close. It runs into problems the second it needs to remove something that isn't a creature.

I just proxied 4000 cards. Eat shit Jizzards

>>713482326
This is why people like FF set, sexy women

>>713433272
While normally I agree I am a fucking consumer when it comes to Cloud Strife, Tifa, and Gambit from Marvel. Since this set has two of my three obsessions i need to get it

Magic the Gathering as Richard Garfield intended

>>713433986
I'm still waiting on 9 packs to come in from online. Fucking my tgc store and even fucking Walmart got raped on release date and I was stuck at work

>>713478420
>play classic monob cards
>entire table seethes
its a fun game

>go to Microcenter
>buy magic cards as MSRP
feelsgood boys
feelsgood

>>713481810
>tag force
>stardust accelerator
kinda goated but we can go further than just stick an OC into the 5d's plot and tag force has a nothingberry story
>>713481696
yeah? name some. I can't find shit where it's just you and your friends going from rags to riches, and with the power of friendship, romance and cards you save the world from the big bad trying to use the cards to open the gates to the real world or some shit like that.
>>713481739
meh this looks like ass

>>713483382
>we can do better than putting you into the best Yugioh plot
I don't think we can

>>713481864
it is a thing, we even got official support on MTGO last year

>>713483506
Yeah we can! Like make your OC get a GF!

>>713483382
>I can't find shit where it's just you and your friends going from rags to riches, and with the power of friendship, romance and cards you save the world from the big bad trying to use the cards to open the gates to the real world or some shit like that.
there is the bakugon games

>>713483610
>Like make your OC get a GF!
tagforce
if only we could combine the two...

>>713483684
YOU DONT GET A GF at this point you guys are gonna say the duel masters game next knock knock why did the chicken get to the other road to get to the other side!

man i'm just looking for something like medabots gba but without that high encounrate RNG bullshit!

>>713483895
yeah.... tag force is great but the story is such a nothing burger damn. i mean I get it but it's disappointing it's like 5 cutscenes with your tag partner.
I wanna get into MtG but there doesn't really seem to be a great "rpg" game for it.

>>713482904
>Magic the Gathering as Richard Garfield intended
its funny because theres an excerpt from an interview around mirrodin block where the designer basically said theyd love to do an LotR set or a final fantasy set or something but thats just not how they do things and if they ever do its a sure sign the suits have taken over the game

>>713438415
I wish I could find some near me. I got the prerelease from my hobby store, but only got one additional booster. I could order more, but its not really worth the shipping cost to me.

Still pleased with the ones I got though. Glad I got a Mythic Rare

some of the final fantasy cards are really cool, I don't even play MTG and I want to get them just to have them

>>713435235
Kino! Oricas are so much better than real cards it's insane although for some reason the average quality of prices is worse now than it was in the late 2010s.

Got the one card I wanted in Surge foil Balthier & Fran.
Local store had a few more packs so I got them. Have one more collector's booster on the way. Hoping to get a borderless Yshtola and Celes out of this.

>>713468101
It's the video game equivalent of funko pops and it's emblematic of the rot that sets in when a niche hobby is adopted by too many uninitiated normalfags.

>>713485650
Other packs were better over all with Surge foil Yuna

>>713468756
That's the sound of art and the human soul being crushed under the weight of capitals tired and desperate flailing corpse.

>>713482904
*My cabbages! enters the battlefield

>>713482904
>>713484415
>if they ever do its a sure sign the suits have taken over the game
Grim.

>>713484415
Got the source anywhere?

I would love to see her card surpass her doll.

>>713477428
hell yeah, July is Gundam TCG month

>>713482904
>another WUBRG commanderslut card
I hate the set already

>>713486223
Why?

>>713482904
They couldn't resist adding the black mana huh?

>>713454290
To whom? Not to players.

>>713447107
What the fuck is Duel Masters

>>713437925
bump

>>713486658
mass produced cardboard with 0 value outpricing an artisinal product that required skilled craftsmanship is funny

>>713455286
Anon, what WotC does is print slightly more of each set but then also force distributors to buy it so every set ever is the "best selling set" Although this strategy actually didn't work for MKM and DFT because there was no saving those absolute dumpster fires and everyone knew it.

>>713486775
killed by wotc in the west because they were afraid of competition

>>713468202
>want a single copy of the starter deck Ultimecia as a "fun-of-one-of" for a few decks
>out of fucking stock everywhere and I'm sure as hell not buying the full starter kit for her...not that you can because those are out of stock too

What the hell.

>bought a box of ff
>Got a lightning and some other nice stuff
>dont really have a boros deck so build a somewhat simple voltron, extra combat steps, lots of equipments deck for her.
>Take it to play
>Win every single game I play with her for two weeks
>a few of those I even played her with a "nerfed" version cause I didnt read her ability properly

I thought she doubled every damage YOU deal to someone, but nope shit doubles EVERY SOURCE OF DAMAGE including from other players. AND it stacks with things like double strike and extra steps, so you can not only knock someone out of the game if she hits 3 times, but deal upwards of like 16x damage if they somehow live

Absolutely insane card. Its crazy that standard is still so fast and broken that even a card like that doesnt see play.

>>713486987
Intentional scarcity

>>713433198 (OP)
I prefer Sorcery: Contested Realm. Comfy traditional art and flavorful game mechanics.
Playing Magic is an abusive relatiknship with Hasbro.

>want to buy this because FF
>buy a playing boosters box
>open all the packs
>just shit, 2 full arts and 2 expabded arts

was just bad luck or the playing packs are just full opf shit????? Can you even get alter illustration with foil from them????

my favorite crossover is still Jurassic Park

>>713485831
Play "My cabbages" Destroy your 9999 Jumbo Cactuar
Nothing Personel KID

>have to pay over 40ddls for a single booster if you want cool looking cards

what the fuck

>>713481432
The truly dumb thing is, kitchen table multiplayer MtG with just 60 card decks is already fun, casual and can be as cheap or expensive as you want it to be. Commander didn't fill in any niche at all in the market and has done nothing but skew card design and power levels.

Casual magic IS the best format, but not playing Commander - just regular 60 card decks or drafting.

>>713484415
Garfield has as many bad ideas as he has good ones, this is not new information. Magic just happened to be one of his good ones.

>>713487294
you can pull foils and alt arts
but the chocobos and the surge foils are in the CC boxes only. https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/collecting-final-fantasy
That being said id say fuck it and buy the singles you need unless you want to gamble 1k AND HOPE you get what you want

>>713487113
>Its crazy that standard is still so fast and broken that even a card like that doesnt see play.
That really has more to do with boros being in a tough spot right now. Mono R doesnt gain anything from splashing white (including lightning) that it wasnt already doing. Whats fucked up is that mono red and izzet aggro make up more than half the format and the only card they share is pic related

>>713433198 (OP)
Allow me to shatter your delusions of grandeur.

9999

newfag who just got into this for FF
where should I start if I want to build a non commander deck? Any must have prebuilds or single cards???
Also which color are the best if I want to play based on making my oponet discard or ways that doesnt focus on just attacking?

>>713487826
honestly
kinda surprised no one gives a fuck about this card game, not even huge SE nerds

He never got his card...the literal face of the mmo and Shit'stola gets all the attention. It's not her face plastered on all the expansion trailers so where the hell is HIS card?!

>>713487868
>where should I start if I want to build a non commander deck?
What kind of formats does your local group play? Id say check out mtgtop8 for a general idea of what decks are out there and how often youll see them.
>Also which color are the best if I want to play based on making my oponet discard or ways that doesnt focus on just attacking?
Some combination of black blue and white, though depending on the format attacking is probably going to be the only way you win

>>713488089
he is on the expansion poster cards and the hero token

>>713441203
>My dreams of building a Venat/Cid partner deck is dead unless they do a second set of Final Fantasy to flesh out the other games.
FFXII Bros...

>>713481429
wish is more like yugioh eternal duelist of the soul?

How'd my girl been doing?
Heard she's been doing ok in grul piles and jund saga's.

>>713487113
The problem is that she doesn't have any defense against removal. Red plays lots of cards that do, like Heartfire Hero, or cards that have haste and can attack right away so it doesn't matter if they get removed later. While Lightning has insane damage potential she has to hit, doesn't have haste and is Boros colors, a pretty shit color at the moment.

>>713433198 (OP)
Because it has the best core out of all of them. Virtual card games sold their souls in exchange for accessibility, and it worked at first (Hearthstone was the biggest thing ever for a while) but all of them lacked a good core system

Pokemon TCG is a good alternative, and so would be Yugioh...if it wasn't managed by Konami.

>>713476148
Competitive players have almost completely walked away. I barely know anyone still playing from before covid.
EDH players who picked it up will move on when something else becomes trendy. If the guys who spents thousands or even tens of thousands dollars quit, it's not good for longevity. Collectors are not players

>>713433198 (OP)
can someone explain the insane collector box and surge foil prices?
are ff fans really trying to collect mtg?

>>713490831
The set is incredibly popular because of the name, so the product is in incredibly high demand, so the prices go up

>>713433198 (OP)
Finally a commander format that looks good

>>713491692
>sealed 60card non highlander commander
holy shit they really are desperate to turn commander players into modern piggies

>>713433198 (OP)
>Why is MTG so strong???
because thousands of retards collectively spent their retirement funds on buying cards, and will never let the game die because of this.

>>713491692
Looks fucking stupid.

>>713491692
EDH where you're not restricted to your elder dragon and it's not highlander, brilliant.

>>713478775
Goomba fallacy

>>713491692
>to play this format you first buy a booster box

what is an mtg deck i can play if i want to feel like a genius

I've been playing nothing but izzet skred on pauper and amulet titan on modern for four years straight and it's still fun

>>713491692
>Booster box sealed rebrand to make sure every player has to buy a box instead of every team pf 3-4
Wotc you sneaky fuckers

>love my colorless ugin deck
>know im never gonna get any more support because eldrazi arent coming back
>mfw Ultima

oh yes

>>713492568
Lantern Control

>>713433198 (OP)
It turned itself into Fortnite, retard

>>713491692
both of these already sound no better than current commander
>>713492672
damn didn't even notice that on first read

>>713437339
edh is just sub replay yugioh where the singleton aspect just makes players dig up more expensive substitutes for the 2-3 cards that make them put hats on everything, explode their dick off and spell out gay sex before going infinite and instawinning

>>713491692
>buy an entire fucking box
What the actual fuck? Is it at least something where you buy a box and use it to play for the entire month?

>>713492713
eldrazi have come back every single mh set what are you on. you are the single most supported tribe in this fucking game

>>713493013
sounds like it's for the whole league so i assume. Until it doesn't do well enough than they say it's per day

>>713481593
Closest I've found

>>713490091
she's one of the better two drops in the naya version of Yuna/Joshua's deck alongside Terra's dad

>>713493112
Yeah but I play standard...

>>713433198 (OP)
I hope the commander game just has all the cards and is a set price.

>>713493198
if we don't get colorless support in edge of eternities i'll eat my hat

>>713493327
Oh yeah, I guess deep space shit will be colorless wont it

>>713493327
There's definitely going to be cards that the new tezzeret can grab at least

>>713491692
>call it commander
>just make standard with effectively 1 extra card in hand

>>713493013
league is usually 4-8 weeks

>>713466649
>sees final fantasy
>thinks about fortnite and funkopops
Brain damage, or natural retardation?

>>713478960
>bland looking woman with a fridge body
Neither of which apply to Lightning. I don't even like her because she's a bitch and every girl in her games is cuter than her or cooler than her, but if your only detractions are literal lies, you don't have much to go on.

>>713479547
SNES with a mod to fix the translation, or Pixel Remaster, with a mod to fix the color palette. For what it's worth, the remastered music in the PR is one of the few times a remastered OST actually sounds improved to some degree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JkK2kzSnng

I cast Korvold, the fae-cursed king and ashnod's altar.

>>713491692
man this makes me glad my locals aren't that invested into magic
>>713493461
Honestly soon They will announce you can have multiple cards in the command zone and it will turn into a YGO extradeck

>>713487929
Doesn't help that 99% of the cards are just existing game or concept art slapped onto cardboard, maybe with a boring background. Good card art is half of a card game's appeal.

>>713493909
Thats every licensed card game

>>713440447
wow that card is bad. That much and you just put them in your hand?

>>713494001
One Piece and Digimon don't do it. OP had manga and anime copy-pastes for it's first set and quickly moved on to new commissioned art.

>>713494061
It's way better with some new cards from Tarkir

>>713433198 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WQkx4yW1Oc

Ban... kai.

>>713494213
Doesnt work unfortunately, legend rule
Maybe if you got a mirror box

>>713494467

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxluRnVzxM8

>>713433198 (OP)
I hope it outlives Vanguard as well after the shit they just pulled.

>>713495067
What's vanguard and what did they do

>>713433986
Lucked into a Ancient copper dragon reprint in my fat pack. Trading it to a friend for a foil extended art vivi and some cash

>>713494467
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kYq-E8BJgU

>>713495067
damn did vanguard do something shitty? i don't want to lose Bermuda triangles

>>713439668
>A bracket full of mirror matches
There is no way this isn't intentional.

>>713447107
>2024

>>713494167
Welp UR Dragon is still pretty cool

>>713495338
>nontoken
actually works even less

R8 Deck

https://archidekt.com/decks/13248519/burn_baby

>>713480682
>>713481089
NOOOOOOOOOO MY FUN
NOOOOO HOW DARE YOU BUILD A DECK THAT ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS
YOU MUST PLAY HOW -I- WANT -YOU- TO PLAY OR ELSE YOU'RE JUST BEING A DICK

PLEASE LET ME PLAY MY TOKEN MULTIPLICATION DECK PLEASE
NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOO DON'T BOARD WIPE NOOOOOO I SPENT 20 TURNS SUMMONING THOSE 7 TOKENS!!!

>>713443154
They already revealed there will be a winter release as well but haven't said much on it. I imagine it will be like the 2nd LotR print run

>>713496229
yeah this anon gets it. every commander deck should be the cards for an infinite combo and tutors to get the combo going so every game feels the same. there should never be any variation in it.

>>713496371
>seething still

>>713438262
Based fellow Rat enjoyer, I like the Red cards from what I remember playing of Magic, but I've been a Yugioh collector for so long I got no space for Magic cards.

>>713486775
No lie, it was supposed to be MtG the Manga that got started in 2002 along side the card game of the same name, but it was quickly gaining popularity with kids that some people theorize that WotC gimpped it in 2006 in fear that the players for it wouldn't move on to OG MtG. It then got relaunched as Kaijudo, before getting the axe again in 2014. Over in Japan, it never stopped growing, even getting to crossover with Megaman BattleNetwork in 05.

If there was at least 1 person in Blizzard with 2 brain cells, they would've released Hearthstone on Steam and restarted the game

>>713498146
nah that cut into profit is nowhere near worth it.
-some exec at Blizzard

>>713482032
FIVEFOLD VENERATIONS

>>713433198 (OP)
You won't ask this question if you learn how to play (with real people)

>>713433272
Literally the most popular set ever by the way

I got into playing Magic with my brother since the FF cards were announced. It's a really fun game. We buy packs and play sealed games when he comes over.

>>713498626
You're literally paypigging for Wizards. Have you no shame?

>>713498626
try this format>>713491692

>>713498653
I just think the game is fun. And the Final Fantasy cards are really cool.

>>713498653
>you're paying for a product that you're getting!

Okay? And?

>>713498682
>>713498734
But it's fucking WotC. After all that they've done, you're going to fucking cave because they put FF character in an overpriced set?

>>713499048
Who gives a shit? The game is fun and I like the cards, end of the story

>>713499048
I don't know what they've done.

>>713496786
Red is indeed based. Goblins are broken as fuck.Just resleeved my old decks for teaching my sister. Ordered some cards that should synergize well with Freya, now just need to determine whether I go monoRed or do a Red/White FF9 heavy-hitters deck with Steiner since they’re both Knights that make equipment their key mechanic.

I swear seeing streamers and youtubers trying to say FF character names is giving me cancer

>>713433272
based as fuck

MTG is still a very good game but I hate UBshit so much, bros
Looking forward to Lorwyn, though. Tarkir was kino.
Also lmao at them not paying for Marvel digital rights so we get fake-capeshit on Arena.

>>713433198 (OP)
>never got into card game autism apart from the Pokemon phase that everybody had as kids
Thank fuck; keeping up with WotC shenanigans looks horrifying

>>713443154
High chance but not anytime soon. 3 years away bare minimum.

i only play limited. sucks its not infinite/free in arena (i suck too much i guess)

>>713433272
Yes, when i saw black aragorn i dropped game

>>713499567
I'm honestly very thankful that I'm not a zoomer that absorbs everything though secondary content.

>>713457509
It's objectively a good thing that villains actually get killed in MTG and if anything, I'm mad the same didn't happen to Bolas. Bolas was cool. Everyone is fucking sick of Bolas.

>>713501086
i dropped it back when they released the viking set and half of them were africans. it's not like mtg wasn't always "diverse" but in the past it made sense based on the plane. there were no nogs in kamigawa for example, but after a certain point they just judeo-diversitied every plane to be full of globalist mystery meats and mongrels and that's when I stopped playing. i came back for bloomburrow to do a few local drafts with friends, but that's it.

>>713486987
I had her pegged as the one card exclusive to the starter decks that might not be absolute dogshit. It's an actually pretty powerful effect.

>>713433198 (OP)
The only thing strong about Magic is the system. Turning cards sideways in order to do things was genius and it terrifies me that Hasbro effectively had a monopoly on arguably the most intuitive thing you can do with a trading card.

>>713433272
I'm genuinely curious to see how people will react to the Spiderman set. There's no way it does well, the real question is if it will scare away all the Final Fantasy fans or not.

>>713494082
Most OP art looks grotesque: AI slop or pixiv slop. Attached is my favorite. Looks like it was inspired by Mucha's The Precious Stones: Emerald.

>>713481853
Not bad
>>713482032
Either boring or overdesigned. Alert is an insanely dumb mechanic to keyword and way too hyperspecific even if not keyworded.
>>713498419
>More energy
Fuck off

>>713501409
Cf.

>>713487113
I do think it's funny that Lightning dies to Shock and that is her big Achilles heel. Just very weak against any sort of removal from basically any color.

>>713501409
>Most OP art looks grotesque
It sure doesn't, retard.

>>713501409
Imagine claiming any art looks bad while being a fucking MTG fan, lmao.

>>713501590
>reply
Nice, what do you think of strict Hero tribal mechanic?

>>713487113
It's pretty based that gilgamesh self-destructing is what won the pro tour

>>713482904
>this is the ally support we're getting

new to the game here
should I focus my money on normal mode or commander?

>>713502040
All these creatures are neat designs, although Abaddon is the only playable one outside of limited as a red hoser.

The idea of Hero spells suck, yes. If they weren't hero spells, I'd like Counter Helix and Hearstopper Aura, though. Again, neat rather than powerful.

>>713502512
I was kind of experimenting on the Hero supertype and found people not really enjoying it so I decided to just scrap it entirely, here's some more.

>>713502684
Debbi and Farvhan are neat. Debbi might even be playable.

>>713502817
Okay, last one.

>>713486987
Isn‘t the starter deck one a different card?

>>713493514
Lightning is literally the least attractive FF heroine. she has ZERO sex appeal. you people are seriously damaged