.

>>713440581 (OP)
it's a complete game

Turn BASED

>>713440581 (OP)
It's sincere
It doesn't rely on subversion

Straightforward experience.

>>713440581 (OP)
Complete game, better story, better character designs, better music, no forced walk/crawl/shimmy bullshit.

>>713440581 (OP)
Retards exist, anon.

Cases in point right here >>713440735 and here >>713441114.

OG had none of this crap

>>713440735
>>713441114
>>713441139
Very white.

>>713440581 (OP)
It's not a sequel

>>713440581 (OP)
Better pacing. People complained about The Hobbit being spread too thin when they made the trilogy, but that's tame compared to how spread thin this is.

>>713440581 (OP)
Original vision/intent will always trump reheated memberberries with half-assed additions haphazardly glued on top of the original plot

>>713440581 (OP)
Better gameplay, story and pacing.

When will mods ban these types of threads? These threads are pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things

Pacing is my main one. You are flying between major story beats so fast. New area, new characters, new enemy, new music, big ass boss fight. NEXT GUY, new shit new new new. The OG is like 30-40 hours and just part 1 of the remake is 40.

>>713441303
how could they go with something so retarded, like how is such a thing possible?

>>713440581 (OP)
Not a time travel story

>>713440581 (OP)
It's not. The remakes are better. This is true for most remakes by the way, but /v/ isn't ready for that conversation.

1. Finished game
2. Cohesive and complete story that didn't have time ghosts for no reason.
3. The build up to the main antagonist was handled much better
4. An overworld instead of open world crap
5. Your data actually carried over between discs
6. Isn't triple the price of a normal game.
7. Isn't 10x the file size of a normal game

>>713440581 (OP)
Less padding
No asset store NPCs
Better gameplay
Complete game
Less retarded moments

>>713441529
Yeah OP is just going to keep posting it every single day regardless of the replies.
The point is to keep Final Fantasy in a person's mind, not to actually look for feedback or have a discussion. It's literally shilling.

>>713440581 (OP)
Original isn't better than the Remake

>>713441576
Only objectively better remakes are sonic games on retro engine(except 3&k) and aoe2 definitive edition

>>713441667
Speak for yourself, fren. This is a legitimate question/thread.

>>713440581 (OP)
Music isn't butchered

Better graphics, controls, sound, literally everything is better

>>713441817
then why is it asked multiple times every single day?
>fren
oh you're one of those reddit frog obsessed creeps

>>713441753
Wind Waker HD for Wii U

>>713442059
>artstyle destroyed
no way jose

>>713440735
Fpbp and /thread

>>713441993
Does "every day" include those schizo periods of yours, where you imagine threads that don't actually exist?. I haven't seen FF7 be discussed much these days, maybe because /v/ is busy sperging out over Donkey Kong and anime porn.

The vision of the original game is better realized in the real FF7 than that fake remake reboot piece of shit. God what a shit show gaming has become. I remember wanting an FF7 remake proper back when the PS3 tech demo was revealed. By the time the PS4 actual announcement came about, I was thoroughly over my "OMG GRAPHICS GRAPHICS GRAPHICS" kick and realized the original is timeless while any shitty remake attempt will fall short because its only merits would be better graphics, and graphics age. Soul does not.

>>713440581 (OP)
Without resorting to "MUH GRAPHIC", explain why the FF7remake is better than the original

Things Remake does better:
- Seeing Tifa, Aeris, Yuffie, Jesse, Scarlet, Elena, etc. in HD is glorious
- Not into dudes but the new Barret is a lot more handsome than the original
- Combat system blending turn based with action is pretty unique

Things the Remake does worse:
- Padding, padding and more padding
- Time jannies
- The suspense of Sephiroth's character is completely ruined
- Multiverse shenanigans
- Zack being shoehorned in
- Garbage expanded universe characters like Leslie and the Dirge of Cerberus rainbow squad being acknowledged
- Anime mannerisms and dialogue feel weird with full voice acting and semi realistic looking characters
- Spliting the game into three parts is pure cash grab

Overall I'd give the original a 10/10, Remake a 6/10 and Rebirth an 8/10

>>713442059
That's not a remake. I swear to fuck for a website that's supposedly all about caring about videogames you retards don't seem to ever know the difference between remake, remaster and port. What the fuck is wrong with you.

>>713440581 (OP)
Emotional pareidolia.

Atmosphere, pacing, visuals, music. Not having voice acted dialogue that makes me want to kill myself. Not fucking up the story with time ghost nonsense. And most of all- restraint. You didn't even see sephiroth until after Midgar, just the terror he leaves in his wake. In remake sephiroth accosts you 20 minutes into the game and flushes all that tension and build up down the drain instantly

>>713440581 (OP)
I think the Remakes are good as their own game, I don’t get everyone’s gripe with the combat, it’s probably the best mix of ATB and modern Final Fantasy.

??? it's a totally different game with different gameplay, story, music, art, everything. the remake's story is also nigh incomprehensible gibberish if you aren't versed with the first game, and even then it's retarded. what a dumb fucking thread.

>>713440735
This alone answers the question and kills the thread. I bought the original FF7 and I had a complete experience from start to finish. The remake got broken into multiple parts, unending DLCs, cross-promos with candy bar vendors for downloadables, and an uncertain future as to whether it would ever get finished in the first place.

>>713440735
HALF A DECADE LATER and the """"remake"""" is still not complete. Let that shit sink in.

Ok, so the original is one complete package. Fair enough. But do the remakes add enough to the story to justify the added length?.

>>713443427
holy shit zoomer just play the fucking game. ff7 is like doing the mating press to virgin pussy and ff7 remake is like watching some homeless guy fuck your dad through a keyhole in a darkly lit room. it's a waste of time trying to explain the different when you can just stop looking through the keyhole.

>>713441576
>>713442975
>>713443330
>>713443427
They’re sequels, not remakes.

>>713440581 (OP)
SOUL

>>713441753
Wild Guns Reloaded

>>713440581 (OP)
Because the remakes have this grandeur of changing the story "we couldn't write the same story again" and yet not only just do the same story again, but sprinkles in little changes that feel cynical to the point of redundancy.

>>713444337
it says remake in the title

>>713440735
based

>>713440581 (OP)
Meta disassociates the player's response.

>>713440581 (OP)
That's more just projection though isn't it? Whenever someone likes a game you don't like or you don't understand, YOU just always resort to "MUH NOSTALGIA" as a criticism to try and manipulate and gaslight others into believing they don't really like the game they like

sneed

>>713440735
The remake also relies on the original existing since its basically just a meta take on what if the story could be changed, its an inferior piece of extended media

Remakes just doesn't make sense without the original
There's so much shit just thrown around early or scenes moved out of place on purpose that trying to enjoy it on its own is a very strange experience
Also fuck chadley

>>713440581 (OP)
It was innovative.

>>713440735
/thread

>it's not fair to call the remake story bad because it's not finished :(
>it is fair to declare the remake story KINO and SUPERIOR to the original even though it's not finished! :D

Why are they like this?

>>713444337
Yeah, that's the cope they shat after realizing getting the KH retard to lead the project would result in a nonsensical turd.

>>713440581 (OP)
It's not some shitty rug pull sequel.

>retards ITT actually believe the remake could match the original in content and STILL look like a current gen game, with voice acting, at 60-70$ with only a single release.

>>713440581 (OP)
Remake relies on the original to tell its story (time jammies) therefore original is the better product as it stands on its own

>>713440735
based

>>713448493
Remake and Rebirth are like 2/3rds full of garbage and padding not in the original game that nobody asked for, just get rid of that stuff and you easily have what you claim is impossible.

>>713440581 (OP)


The remakes are objectively better in every way they're just mad it's not a 1 to 1

>>713440581 (OP)
I liked spending 5 instead of 35 hours in Midgar

>>713440581 (OP)
>ff7
I made it 20 minutes before turning it off
>ff7r
Never even bought it

>>713448493
>it's their fault for wanting it to be good instead of just settling for whatever they get

>>713440581 (OP)
It's not self-referential and doesn't require 20 years of VII spin-off lore to get as intended.

>>713441591

You sound old and poor

>>713452340
You sound like you have no arguments

>>713452495
Im not responsible for anything.
Its other people's fault.
Im not stubborn or wrong.
Im always right

>>713440581 (OP)
Old FF7 is shit too.
FF5 is way better.

>>713440581 (OP)
Time Jannies

Not a single good answer in here

>>713452593
Vindicated, I am selfish, I am wrong
I am right, I swear I'm right
Swear I knew it all along

>>713448493
This is why it is best to just ignore these braindead retards.

>>713453145
Yes, the perfect cope is to cover your ears and be thankful for whatever you get

>>713440735
So you prefer an entire dry pie from a store instead of a delicious slice handcooked by a baker and that promises you the rest in a little while?

>>713442170
>I haven't seen FF7 be discussed much these days
it doesnt need to be you disingenuous nigger

>>713440581 (OP)
The original had a coherent story, which is essential in any decent JRPG. I win you lose, tasteless cretin.

>>713453240
>handcooked by a baker
Who knew SE had thousands of in house employees with Indian names?

If your games are great why do they sell like shit?

>>713453240
>food analogy

Please just kill yourself

I didn't play either. How did the remake fuck things up?

>>713440735
OH NO NO NO DEMAKESISTERS NOT LIKE THIS

>>713453446
>equating sales with quaity
lol
lmao even
regardless, ff7 remakes still sell better than almost any jrpg

>>713448493
It could have, it would have required less development time and cost than three releases, and it would have made more money justifying the effort.

>>713440735
fippybippy

>>713453446
My hope is that once I make 100,000 pro-remake threads on /v/ where I spend hours insulting everyone who disagrees with me while making no arguments to support my stance whatsoever, the sales will skyrocket.

>>713440581 (OP)
The remakes are not remakes, they are different games
You didnt play any of the games

>>713448493
>FF7 is too big to remake as a modern day game
>so we made it 300 hours longer
Hmmmm

When i look at a meal and act like it is disgusting, but then take a bite and think it is delicious, i never say it is delicious. I still say it is disgusting.
Im not responsible for anything.
Its other people fault.
Im not stubborn, ever.
Im always right

>>713440581 (OP)
less bloat makes for a story with better pacing

SSSS.Gridman is a better FF7R to Gridman than FF7R is to FF7

>>713440735
Based.

>ALL the compilation games are regarded as bargain bin trash except for one which is still contentious
>"Dude lets bring back deepground and weiss lol"

>>713441410
The game will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. You could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point they became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DoC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

I will forever stand by the fact that the game opening with a sample of One Winged Angel in the first five seconds is perfectly indicative of it being the most shallow, disingenuous fan-pandering trash ever

>>713454139
They aren't even really the same characters anymore.

>>713454098
Nomura wanted Weiss in the base game from the beginning.

>>713454098
The "fans" don't care. They just want >>713454139. They'd buy a game where Cloud and company go grocery shopping for 40 hours.

>>713440581 (OP)
I enjoy both. I'm bald though so you may need to take that into account.

>>713454263
I don't really care what that retard thinks

>>713454263
Nomura's a washed up faggot.

>>713441232
Holy shit! this game is so sick!

>>713443330
Actually a literal decade, don't forget they announced the thing in 2015.

>>713441232
If you really think this image makes a good argument I have a thousand shitty AAA western games to sell you

>>713442279
>- Not into dudes but the new Barret is a lot more handsome than the original
the next time you do this just say
>nohomo

>>713440735
op destroyed

>>713446994
the best part is if FF7 had been originally released like this, even if it had the same graphics and magically ran on the psx, people would call it very visually impressive but empty.

>>713448493
>with voice acting

no one ever asked for this. no matter how i imagined the characters to sound, no voice actor is going to sound similar.

Nearly every major story beat was done better in the original. Plate collapse, Shinra tower, Nibelheim, Dyne, Cosmo Canyon, Forgotten City. I'll give the remake credit and say they did the Wall Market and Gold Saucer sections better than the original.

unironic non shitpost answer:
materia system.
the ability to have so many more combos, and the ability to link multiple things together
like fire + all and fire + steal as well = an aoe fire that attemps to steal from every enemy

the minigames and forced use of characters i am not used to using broke me. shinra manor was total shit. i had more fucking problems with the two scale things than i did with sepheroth

>>713440581 (OP)
It just is...ok?
>Please wait a while before making a post

FUCK YOU HIROSHIMA

I HOPE THIS WEBSITE DIES AGAIN PERMANATELY.

>>713440581 (OP)
no subversion retardness.
no time jannies.
Sephiroth being fought only at the very end.

>>713454139
they dont even deny it. this is what their own arguments boil down to 90% of the time

Original doesn't put a limit on the amount of powerful materia you can get. You only get 3 ALL materia in Remake/Rebirth, and some others you only get 1. Really annoying because it means you have to swap it around a lot.

>>713456520
in the original you just get one or two enemy skill materia and use that. all materia isnt as good as you thought

reminder that rebirth's stat up materia's have a "buff only stacks up to 100% bonus" notice on them, yet you can only get one of each and maxed out only go up to 25%. they have a warning for something that you can't actually hit

>>713440735

>>713441114
Why do boomers like this boring ass slop?

>>713440581 (OP)
Explain Remake Sephiroth’s motivations and plan. Succinctly.

>>713440581 (OP)
It isnt. i loved the fleshed out Aerith and so on. It was kino beyond my wildest dreams

Loved the real time atb system combat in rebirth

CLOUD SEXOOO

>>713440735
I wonder the hater's argumention will be when part 3 is released and the trilogy is complete.

>>713457484
where did Rebirth end by the way? How much game is left for part 3?

>>713457314
>It was kino beyond my wildest dreams
kys

>>713457484
>I wonder the hater's argumention

>>713457484
>gatta play a minigame to post on 4chan
>gatta play a minigame to log into part3
>gatta play a minigame to log out of part3
>gatta play a minigame t

I like the combat system, the main battle theme and the AVALANCHE crew in Remake better than the original. Everything else is worse though but I still like the game

>>713457804
it ends with aeris' death, so roughly half?

>>713440735
/thread

>>713441303
>be spooky ghosts who are supposed to make sure history goes on the right course
>very loudly and openly fly around to make sure, like swarming Aerith when she's going to leave the area a few seconds too early
>or loudly flying in and carrying Hojo off when he's about to drop a plot point too soon

Actually remake Hojo in particular miffs me because him recognizi8ng Cloud at the drop of a hat was retarded. The entire point of him not recognizing him until later is because he saw Cloud as a failed experiment and therefore completely disregarded him so hard he legitimately didn't remember him at all.

>>713458346

>>713457484
complete shit

>>713457484
The trilogy being complete isn't going to make the all the dogshit filler and retarded multiverse story any better.

>>713440581 (OP)
story

>>713457484
>complete
Nomura and Nojima are so good at writing endings aren't they?
Kitase has already said there will be more FF7 after part 3. So it's not even going to finish without setting up even more spinoff trash. It will never be "complete" and you will never defeat Sephiroth once and for all.

What do people think who only played the remakes?

>>713459061
>It will never be "complete" and you will never defeat Sephiroth once and for all.
At least it thematically fits the childhood rape theme they were going for.

>>713440735
FPBP

>>713440581 (OP)
The PBR lighting is still manually touched up in the cutscenes to not look like complete shit, wow.

>>713440581 (OP)
Better in the original
>pacing in general, but not by the OG virtue but due to its limited scope. I dont think the devs thought much of the pacing, but since you can skip dialogue quite fast and things happen fast/rushed in general, it leads to fast pacing.
>trails of blood scene
>Sephiroth initial presentation
>Corel prison atmosphere
>wall market music
>No palmer fight after dyne
>Materia system having -stats as well
>No leslie forced main story beat, it should have been a sidequest
>No shinra underground laboratory section (chapter 13)
>Finding content like summon materia
>not having chadley

Cant say one is better than the other, you have an argument for both
>Music
>graphics
>story/concept/themes

Better in Remake/rebirth
>fighting summons to get their materia
>Gameplay
>characters
>most story beats/dialogue/content not mentioned before. Example: dyne death. It was better in remake, but it went too fast to palmer fight, so that detail is mentioned before

Overral, Remake/rebirth is better but obviously the original does some things better.

>>713459886
>characters
The characters are the same in Remake/Rebirth except for Cid who is a huge downgrade.

>>713460231
Their interactions and decision making as a party makes them more complete. Sidequests also help a lot to connect with them, since it always includes some sort of "trivia" about them. In general they feel more real rather than just "plot plot plot" and random comment to a scene that the game included if character is in the party.

>>713459886
>dyne death. It was better in remake
nah nigga you dumb
thats one of the most egregious examples of terrible changes

>>713454139
This

>>713440735
OP BTFO IN A SEC

>>713460409
The entire scene was better. Their dialogue and how pissed off dyne is with barret is pretty good. Killing hymself to a bunch of shinra soldiers to "protect" barret just so he doesnt have a free pass to freedom and forcing him to carry on his guilt forever is also pretty good. Rebirth/remake made the scene more about barret than the original, which felt more dyne focused.

>>713440581 (OP)
1. Complete game
2. The crossdressing was a joke that Don picked the butch chick. It was not a trans statement.
3. Cloud was not a passable femboy, his shoulders are the size of his head and he has the figure of Poppeye.
4. The overall art direction and music was vastly better world building, environmental storytelling, atmosphere, and scenes. The camera angle never gives you the same feelings.
5. The materia system was fun
6. the original basically was a masterpiece case study for it's time with regards to using gameplay as a story telling element. Playing as Sephiroth, having his attacks happen off screen easily killing enemies that beat you, and chasing after him anyway despite finding things like the giant snake impaled on a spike.. The gap between you and him was scary. You legit did not know how you could possibly win.
7. No fetch quests
8. Side quests added characters or extra dialog. It wasn't just bullshit grinding.

There's stuff that did not age well, saving builds, getting all the gear when people leave the party, and not telling us more info about how damage from limit breaks was calculated made it really hard to min max characters without a lot of trial and error. Like you don't even know what the final limits are until most of the way through the game forcing you to save most of the sources you come across if you want to actually specialize team members. But it wasn't really hard enough to matter. You never really need the master materia for anything.

The original had a lot of room for improvement but the remake is just shitty waifu bait. Jesse has R34 pages now. It's pure cringe.

>>713457484
That the first part was announced in 2015, meaning it will have taken fifteen fucking years to get a more cut down, worse version of the same overall plot?

>>713440735
Damn nigga, you didn't have to kill him.

>>713458512
Hojo knew exactly who Cloud was the whole time even in the original game. He even makes fun of Cloud in Costa Del Sol

>>713460839
Hojo only knew who Cloud was partially. For example Hojo did NOT know that Cloud was never in SOLDIER

>Hojo
>Ha, ha, ha... this is perfect!!!
>It means that my experiment was a complete success.
>What number were you? Huh? Where is your tattoo?

>Cloud
>Professor Hojo... I don't have a number.
>You didn't give me one because you said I was a failed experiment.

>Hojo
>What the--? You mean only a failure made it here?

>Cloud
>Professor... please give me a number. >Please, Professor...

>Hojo
>Shut up, miserable failure...

>>713440581 (OP)
i have not played the remake so it cant be better than the original

>>713452616
>FF5 is way better.
Based

>>713461004
He knew Cloud was one of his robed men experiments from the jump though. Which means he knew he wasn't an actual SOLDIER, because then he wouldn't be in the Reunion in the first place. SOLDIERs are too strong willed to fall for Jenova's influence.

>>713458512
>Actually remake Hojo in particular miffs me because him recognizi8ng Cloud at the drop of a hat was retarded. The entire point of him not recognizing him until later is because he saw Cloud as a failed experiment and therefore completely disregarded him so hard he legitimately didn't remember him at all.
Hojo knows who cloud since at the very least costa del sol.
Also he personally operated on Cloud and Zack, judging how obsessed he is with the SOLDIER program it isnt a surprise he recognized Cloud. He doesnt really recognize him out of the blue that easy, he asks Cloud if hes a soldier, Hojo starts to check him closer.

>>713461004
The clones are Hojo creation. Cloud wasnt given a number because he got mako poisoning immediately. He knew he wasnt a soldier, he was just another experiment.

>>713440581 (OP)
It's not, FF VII was and will always be the most overrated RPG game of all time, more than Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, Mother 3, Planescape Torment, Fallout 2, Final Fantasy VI or any other RPG out there. The only thing the remake did was show it on the face of people who haven't played the original in 20 years, with a retarded new action RPG gameplay to keep them entretained

>>713440581 (OP)
a simpler story and sephiroth actions at the journey are better reflected than him getting summoned saving cloud ass of a giant snake

>>713460642
The fuck are you talking about. It wasn't supposed to be about Barret. It was SUPPOSED to be about Marlene. And how Barret and Dyne could be the same person were it not for her

>Barret
>An' what 'bout Marlene? What's gonna happen to her!?

>Dyne
>...Think about it... Barret... How old was Marlene back then...?
>Even if I did go to her now... she wouldn't even know me...
>And what's more... Barret...
>These hands are a little too stained to carry Marlene anymore...

>Barret
>......

>Dyne
>Barret...

>[He pulls a necklace off and tosses it to Barret.]
>Give that pendant to Marlene... It was... Eleanor's... my wife's... memento...

>Barret
>All right...

>Dyne
>...wow... Marlene's... already...... 4......
>[He limps to the edge of the ravine.]
>Barret... Don't...... make... ......Don't ever make Marlene...... cry...

>Barret
>Dyne...?
>Dyne!

>[Dyne lets himself fall backwards over the edge as Barret runs towards him.]

>Barret
>Dy------ne!!
>[He falls to his knees.]
>...Dyne. Me an' you were the same...
>My hands ain't any cleaner...... I shouldn't be able to carry... Marlene either...
>Uuuurrrrrrgh!!!

Surprise, Dyne's last words are about Marlene because even in his madness, she was all he thought wasn't. Which, surprise again, also applies to Barret. Which, surprise x3, Cait Sith calls him out on later

>Cait Sith
>What was that scratching just now!?
>As long as Marlene is safe, who cares what else happens, right?
>I been itchin' to say this to ya fer a while now!
>When ya blew the Midgar No. 1 up, how many folks d'ya think died?

>Barret
>...that was for the life of the planet. Ya gotta expect a few casualties.

>Cait Sith
>A few? Whaddya mean 'a few'? What may be a few to y'all is everythin' to them who died......
>Protect the planet. Hah! Y'all sure sound good!
>Ain't no one that'd go against ya. So ya think ya can do whatever y'all want?

>>713461339
You mean you don't like Lifestream Sephiroth having a battle against Omni Aerith across multiple worlds?

>>713440581 (OP)
It doesn't cost 100+ € to get the complete package.

t.Zoomer

>>713440581 (OP)
You can't play FF7R without playing FF7, but you can play FF7 without playing FF7R.

>>713461415
>The fuck are you talking about. It wasn't supposed to be about Barret. It was SUPPOSED to be about Marlene. And how Barret and Dyne could be the same person were it not for her

???
Its about Barret backstory, what the fuck. It obviously tied to Marlene since marlene is the main reason why Barret fights, but the entire arc is about Barret

>>713461564
He means their conflict. It's supposed to center around Marlene. Not Dyne's hatred of Barret.

>>713461452
nope for that i watch doctor strange second movie

>>713460767
It took Monolith 15 years just to make 4 Xenoblade games.

>>713461107
>>713461145
Oh! So then Roche wasn't in SOLDIER. Broden also wasn't in SOLDIER either. The logic in the Remake series is that SOLDIER Degradation is the natural endpoint for everyone who underwent Jenova injections.

>>713461629
But that doesnt change, wheres the disagreement then? the entire scene you mentioned is in rebirth, except Dyne takes it with Barret for taking her away from him

>>713440735
R-Remakesist-AAAAAAAAAAACCCCKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>713457484
>I paid $180 after waiting 15 years, I won lol!

>>713440581 (OP)
>>713440735

>>713457314
>fleshed out Aerith
You mean flanderised sub-human anime cunt with no personality.

>>713461762
still lame they finished roche in second part

>>713453240
I asked for a pumpkin pie, why is it filled with curry?

>>713461762
No, even in the Remake retcons, it's the S-Cells that make people go nuts.
Roche was in SOLDIER and was just fine. Then he asks Hojo to work on him, and then he ends up with the degradation.
The whole SOLDIER degradation is a false flag red herring for new players. The reality is Hojo adding shit to make them go insane.

In the original lore, SOLDIERs were just too badass to fall prey to Jenova's influence. People who failed SOLDIER testing were Hojo's labrats.

Why would you remake a game unless it's terrible? Checkmate. Original sucks.

the original is a work that stands on its own, remake is (atleast so far) a quasi-sequel that relies on the player atleast being aware of how events went down in the OG and getting them to go "hey! thats not right"
im saying this as someone who mostly enjoyed the first remake

>>713461767
Because in the original, Dyne kills himself and entrusts Marlene to Barret, because he's unfit to raise her now.
In the remake, Dyne chooses suicide to make Barret's guilt even bigger.

>>713461747
And their remasters!

>>713462067
>>713461762
The point of the degradation is to build up to the false plot twist that Cloud isnt cloud but just another shitty clone, and the real cloud died long ago.

>>713461564
Their conflict is about Barret putting down a friend who, in his grief, had resorted to killing randoms who had nothing to do with his pain.

>Barret
>...I know I was stupid. I'm not asking you to forgive me.
>But... What're you doin' in a place like this?
>Why ya wanna kill those that ain't even involved? Why?

>Dyne
>...Why!? The hell do you care for!?
>Are the people killed going to understand 'why'? Are the people of Corel going to understand just hearing Shinra's excuses?
>I don't CARE what the reason is!
>All they give us are artillery and stupid excuses... What's left is a world of despair and emptiness...

>Barret
>......

Hey I wonder if that last statement applies to anyone in the party with a personal grudge against Shinra? Maybe Barret could've just talked him down. Until...

>Barret
>That's when I found her... ...found Marlene.

>Dyne
>...

>Barret
>She's in Midgar. Let's go see her together, all right?

>Dyne
>So...... she's still alive...
>All right, Barret. I guess that means you and I gotta fight.

>Barret
>What!?

>Dyne
>Eleanor's alone all by herself. I've got to take Marlene to her.

>Barret
>Dyne... are you insane!?

>Dyne
>Marlene wants to see her Mom, don't she?

Dyne was going to kill Marlene. He'd gone entirely insane. And even though Barret faults himself for that, it's his responsibility to put his best friend down to protect her. It was not about Dyne being a spiteful dick towards Barret.

>>713462148
>In the remake, Dyne chooses suicide to make Barret's guilt even bigger
he doesn't even do that. shinra shoots him. it's so fucking lame.

>>713454139
All pro remake posts make so much more sense once you understand this about remake fans

>>713461747
I dunno if its supposed to be in favour of remakes, but each of the Xenoblades are their own opus in a trilogy plus a spin off. Remakes is an old game cut into pieces, with advent children poison poured in.

>>713440581 (OP)
I'm currently playing through the Switch port, never having played any FF before. It's quite fun, but I spend most of my time rearranging materia and equipment, only to have the game fuck up my party composition a minute later. I wish I knew what each materia does, especially when paired with other materia. I'm shamelessly looking stuff up now, because I just started "disc" 3 and I want to clean up a bit. Sometimes I know there's something there but no idea what to do about it. Like Alexander in the snowfield.
I really wanted to use every source I found on "Aeris".
I've been watching the cutscenes from Rebirth while doing dishes (after playing through the parts), but haven't played Rebirth.
I'm sure shit like the maps, the in-game models, the menus (and descriptions) could be better in the new one.
When I struggle I can set the game to 3x, but the battles to wait. I'm probably over-leveled, just from backtracking or flying around the map at 3x.

It also makes me want to play Tales of Symphonia again.

>>713462236
Yeah I know. I think they're a bit too heavy handed in the foreshadowing though. The fact that you play as Zack and see him question Biggs about Cloud's personality, as well as seeing how flashback Cloud acts just like Zack pretty much spells it out.
I've seen a bunch of new players figure out the twist.

>>713440735
FPBP

I loved the original and I was excited for remake. But the pacing is terrible and it does not feel complete.
The sad part is that it could have been. Less stupid fetch quest bullshit and ZERO chadley.

The optional sections should have been plateside, to encourage returning players, while new players could enjoy the pace of the original.

>>713462275
>>713462148
I dont get it. The entire shit is about Marlene as well, what are you guys on about? the entire last scene is just a "well you took away marlene from me, you will forever carry with that", it is still Marlene focused.

>>713462282
he literally kills himself violently, disgerading his own self safety.

>>713457484
>FF7 on PSX cost $50 on release
>FF7 Remake made me pay $60 per game at $180 total and had me wait years between developments..

>>713440581 (OP)
Story pacing, gameplay, and the fact that it isn't split into multiple games to get the full story.

>>713448493
Cut all the side quests the remakes added in and all the open-world Ubisoft busywork and they could have easily done it in 1 game

>>713462498
retarded cope. he shoots at shinra because they're there.
Suicide is killing yourself by your own hand. not getting shot. 7R retconned the suicide.
Just like they retconned the party being responsible for blowing up the reactors.

baby game for retards.

Once that anon mentionned the Xenoblade games, the worsr the remake games gets.
>Mfw the Xenoblade series released 4 games + 2 remasters in a span of 15 years
>Mfw half of the teams were allegedly juniors devs while the seniors were making shit like BOTW's map
>Mfw they were released on the shitty, one gen late nintendo consoles
Genuinely wtf?

>>713462498
For starters Dyne's moment of clarity when he realizes what he is now and that he can't live with himself anymore is missing. Doubly tragic because Barret has the same moment of clarity. But Barret has Marlene. He CAN'T die because that would mean leaving Marlene all alone

Secondly, the moment is undercut by Palmer inserting his greasy ass in a scene that should let you just sit with those emotions for a moment. Dyne's body isn't even cold yet and Rebirth goes back to silly antics because we skipped Rocket Town

Thirdly, where the fuck did those Shinra troops even come from?

Fourtly, the parallel between Barret and Dyne is fucked up because Rebirth immediately shows you that Barret didn't shoot those people in the Saucer. So that moment of fear where the party wonders if Barret went off the deep end, a fear Barret shares about Dyne because he's not self aware yet, is fucking gone. I mean Barret didn't mind blowing up randoms in the Reactor Bombing so...oh wait. I forgot Barret didn't do that either.

So yeah I'm going to say that Barret vs Dyne was a massive fuck up on Rebirth's part.

>>713440581 (OP)
It didn't whitewash a bunch of eco-terrorists.

>>713462893
Lets go to a parallel universe
FF7 og did the shootout, remake did the suicide
>these retards censored the blood and shootout, anti-weapons fucking retards, no body, they completely killed the gravity of everythind just had dyne suicide himself down the cliff like a retard, i bet he survived and will come back for part 3 since nomura cant kill characters, he already survived a fall after all

>>713440581 (OP)
The original wasn't made by washed up Japanese faggots nor was it funded by Western ESG investors.

>>713463057
>I can't explain why the new scene is better so I'm going to the multiverse where my strawman is valid

Wait sorry I forgot that there is no multiverse. I guess you should just diffuse into the Lifestream you dishonest retard

The fact that remake fags are seriously arguing the scene where a man at the end of his rope unable to bear the weight of his sins throwing himself to his death was improved by him turning into a fucking robot tentacle monster and then immediately being followed by a chase scene against a robot frog should tell you everything you need to know about the fanbase.

>>713463057
>so obsessed with alt universe fanfics you make up your own to create a strawman.
>instead of arguing about reality you try to argue about a fictional scenario you created
what a pointless and mentally ill way to argue. are all 7R fags this retarded?

>>713443330
Even with using Unreal Engine for outsourcing to a bunch of jeets and indogs, SE is truly doomed.

>>713440581 (OP)
both dogshit tho

>>713440735
Damn

>>713462951
>For starters Dyne's moment of clarity when he realizes what he is now and that he can't live with himself anymore is missing. Doubly tragic because Barret has the same moment of clarity. But Barret has Marlene. He CAN'T die because that would mean leaving Marlene all alone
...no? the entire scene is there. what the fuck did you even play the game? did you miss the part where dyne literally says he cant go back to marlene after so much blood? did you miss the part where barret barely can say "i did everything for the money" because he struggles to even accept that, and when

>Secondly, the moment is undercut by Palmer inserting his greasy ass in a scene that should let you just sit with those emotions for a moment. Dyne's body isn't even cold yet and Rebirth goes back to silly antics because we skipped Rocket Town
Yeah, and thats a shame. But Barret is still there mourning, and theres a post-battle scene as well with Barret mourning and cloud helping him. Beats the original with that scream into black, then just go back to corel prison.

>Thirdly, where the fuck did those Shinra troops even come from?
Yeah you didnt play the game. The game establishes in gold saucer that Shinra is seeking for the killer and it will be a matter of time before they find him.

>Fourtly, the parallel between Barret and Dyne is fucked up because Rebirth immediately shows you that Barret didn't shoot those people in the Saucer.
No, thats due to the difference between the original and remake writing. In the original, Barret barely has scenes about him and hes just this tough dude that loses his shit time to time, he doesnt get enough characterization to make you believe otherwise. Cloud says "so...did you kill them?" in the original
In the remake, Barret already got so much screentime that you KNOW that Barret wouldnt be this unhinged. Cloud says "please tell me it wasnt you" this time. So they removed this because it wouldnt make sense to try to even make it a mistery.

>>713463198
>>713463362
Its not a strawman, it is exactly what you would say if it was viceversa. Because this isnt about understanding both scenarios, this is just a meaningless "original vs remake, origianl always wins because childhood and it is old".
You would make such a reach just so you can have an argument vs the remake. You know it is true.

>>713440581 (OP)
Explain why the new one is better without MUH GRAPHICS or MUH OPEN WORLD.

>>713440581 (OP)
Turn Based.

>>713463841
oh well if it's "exactly what I would say" in your mentally ill fictional universe you created then I guess you win. congratulations you are really smart and good at arguing.
that's how you do it. just make up scenarios because you're completely delusional and multiverse cringe has rotted your brain.

>>713440735
Put me in the screencap!

It's so fucking gay how summons turned into story gated events after FFX

>>713463885
Awkward pacing and anime cringe voice acting...
no wait.. that's bad too.

>>713440581 (OP)
No embarrassing time jannies, the Aerith death scene being swarmed with jannies and QTEs was all of my doubts and fears of this pseudo-sequel remake subversion dumpster fire combined into a single moment.

The extended FF7 universe is fucking awful even when it's directly copying the original premise and script, it's amazing how inept they are at everything possible. And yet they seem so proud of their 25 years of mediocre rehashes somehow

>>713463841
Your argument was bullshit because as the OP says

>Without resorting to "MUH NOSTALGIA", explain why the original FF7 is better than the remakes

Well you were told how

>>713462607
60 for part 1
70 for part 2
80? for part 3
you're looking at 210 and some people bought remake then reintergrade

>>713440735
FPBP

>>713440735
Remaketroons will never recover from this...

>>713440735
This
>>713441114
This
>>713441228
This

And the fact that the story wasn't completely fucked over.
The only thing the new games have going for them are the graphics, and even then they're fucked because Tifa's tits got nerfed.

>>713440581 (OP)
Because the story of FF7 OG was more like some sort of a noir detective thriller, with the main character loosing his beloved, the childhood friend turning to be the second wheel due to be too much shy, you move around always in some sort of ambience where you're instigated to solve a mystery about the story of the main protagonist, so your curiosity is always kept alive. And in FF7 Remake this seems to happend, with the new elements added, because you think to know how things are going to happend, if you have played the OG before, but then something different occur. In Rebirth this is not the case. It's a Reddit CloTi fanservice, with a chaotic story, and half castrated, for parts of the original game are not present, some of its iconic characters are presented in a different way, and coming from the Remake storyline, you understand that they changed all, just to change nothing and for the only reason to lure the player to buy their product. Nothing more. Maybe the overall idea could be discussed and landed, but not in the way SE did on part 2. Believe me, after what I have seen and the sense of deep confusion they left on me (and I'm a big FF7 fan), I can assure to you that I'm not rushing to see and buy part 3. The fact they said that "it will be the most iconic game story you ever had", is going to backfire and toast them once and for all.

>>713440581 (OP)
It's not exhausting to play, it's more edgy, the pacing is better, the original story was better.

>>713464116
Not really, it is exactly what you would do.
If the OG ff7 scene was exactly like rebirth, you wouldnt be thinking "this sucks, it would have been better if dyne killed himself". You would just be "wow, this is violent, so cool". Why? because thats the way Zack died.
This isnt a matter of which one is bad or good objectively. Both work perfectly. You have both arguments for both sides. It is just a matter of personal preference.

>>713454139
Yes, I start to believe that this is the case.

>>713440581 (OP)
Not trying to be hyper-realistic slop for normalfags

If they wanted to be subversive they should have just moved Aeris getting killed to the end of Disc 1/Remake
I think that would have been an impressively bold move rather than the crap they shit out

>>713464996
>>713464116
I forgot to add, MY version of how things should be is much better than the original and the remake. They both SUCK in comparison. Better written, better plotting, more grit, and heartbreaking.

>>713464996
ok skitzo whatever you say.
you sure like fanfiction.

>>713440735
Bros...

>>713459886
>>most story beats/dialogue/content not mentioned before. Example: dyne death. It was better in remake, but it went too fast to palmer fight, so that detail is mentioned before


Part of the "story" has been completely retconned for fanservice purpose. Dyne death has been wokeized, like it has been for Aerith death scene. Palmer has been included like that, just because there was not intention to add Rocket town, where such fight belongs.

>>713462858
>Cut side quests
>Keep the player models to what we have now
>Keep the same Fixed Camera perspective just updated to 3D instead of Pre-rendered and scaled a little more to fit the player models
>Same ATB system but with a cleaner UI and a Classic UI you can toggle if you want
>Classic and new soundtrack toggle option as well
Would've made SE billions

>>713440581 (OP)
it doesn't have all the filler the remak-
>>713440735
fpbp

>>713460709
I mastered materia in the OG just to have all the spells and the master magic version of them. But as usual, most of the debuffs doesn't works against the major enemies, so they're pointless.

>>713440735
well that was easy

>>713440735
Remakebros died of ruptured anus...

>>713440581 (OP)
>remakes
>es
You just said why without even realizing it. FFVII for PS1 is one complete game on 3 discs. This remake isn't even completed yet. yet you are making a shit thread like this.

>>713465958
The biggest irony of all is that there is an enemy that is susceptible to status: Ruby WEAPON. It's susceptible to Stop. The one boss susceptible to a Status and it's the endgame superboss that arrives AFTER you've been taught that status is useless against bosses

>>713440581 (OP)
Better pacing

>>713459061
>It will never be "complete" and you will never defeat Sephiroth once and for all.
We they literally said that yeah

Katise: "We are finally going to link up with Advent Children, that is going to be part of canon," "The overall storyline, the developments, will not go wildly out in a way that will not add up to Advent Children in the end. I don't think anyone wanted that, that's not what we're looking to create here."

>>713440735
No wonder Rebirth flopped.

>>713457094
Why do zoomers have adhd?

>>713459886
>you have an argument for both
>graphics
Just stop. The OG objectively looked like shit.

>>713443709
Kek

>>713460709
>8. Side quests added characters or extra dialog. It wasn't just bullshit grinding.
FF7 only had 2 sidequests, the FUCK are you talking about?

>>713454263
Nomura lost it long ago, who cares what zipper and belt man wanted

>>713461415
You can see that the deepness of the concepts expressed was well handled, even if I'm not displeased about what the Shinra president told to Barret in Remake, while keeping the gun against him, just a moment before being killed by Sephiroth, about how people won't give a fuck about the "saving the planet" ideal, if after a catastrophe they can't recover and return to their lives.

>>713440581 (OP)
Without having played either game: no time jannies

>>713466228
>finding boring as fuck "gameplay" boring means you have adhd
Boomer cope

>>713465347
What? you want to read MY version? sure thing!
>Dyne attacks the gold saucer, but hes not alone. It is his first attack, he kills a lot of people, innocent and shinra alike
>Dyne has been building an avalanche-like anti-shinra force all this time in corel prison, hes the leader. The thing is he's REALLY extremist. Either you join him or die. The point is to establish what Barret could have become if it wasnt for Marlene or his friends
>Dyne is no longer OMG IM SUPER CRAZY, but hes cunning, intelligent, tough and doesnt take no for an answer. Its all pure rage against shinra.
>Barret goes down to corel prison willingly since he sees Dyne. Cloud and co follow him. No longer that "uhmmm lets just let them capture us"
>Dyne have them captured. Offers Avalanche to join him, even Barret who he HATES but gives him a chance to redeem himself
>Eventually Barret confronts Dyne. Barret sees himself in dyne and what he says, but refuses to join, they battle
>Dyne loses, they talk about their past
>barret reveals marlene is alive
>dyne is angry at first, he shows it, but quickly regains his composture and tells barret "ok barret you are right, lets go see her! hehe"
>But barret sees through his bullshit, he must accept that his friend is completely crazy
>theres a line dyne says that pretty much tells him hes gonna kill marlene, a sublte one
>barret has no option but to shoot Dyne and kill him himself
>Barret kills that dark side of himself, understands that revenge could hurt innocents like Marlene and vows to fight for her and not become dyne 2.0
>avalanche-like cell dissolves, they were just scared of dyne and didnt want to die
MUCH better plotting. Something that actually makes sense, ties better with barret arc, and has that edge it needed.

>>713454327
>>713454364
>>713466485

>>713440581 (OP)
It doesn't bust out Sephiroth without building him up.

Interesting how every single time, 7R defenders always end up shitting on the original. What causes this?

>>713440581 (OP)

Remakes are better combat while the story is shit because they are simultaneously changing it and yet changing nothing.

It doesn't introduce time jannies and multiverse/ Kingdom Hearts style nonsense into the story.

>>713440581 (OP)
No voices. Entire story exist in text, you literally watch a BOOK with visuals.
Remake is a live action where real life actors are replaced by CGI characters

>>713440581 (OP)
Parts of the game have combat that obviously wasn't designed for the type of combat the game uses. God of War Ragnarok had the same problem, where you had fights that relies on you reacting and quickly switching up. The problem is that you can't cancel and switch on the fly, you generally are committed to various actions which makes it incredibly frustrating against someone like Odin. It felt like they designed some combat like it was made for Dark Souls or a similar action type of game where you can dodge at any time, which you can't do in the FF7 remake.

I don't know why they do this, since you'd figure the developers would understand their own combat system, or do they only playtest on lower difficulties?

>>713458346
>>713457804

City of the ancients where aerith simultaneously dies and lives.

>>713462007
I was expected him to end at least in the third part, and in a more spectacular way than what they have done on Rebirth. Really disappointing how they treated him.

>>713467004
>What causes this?
Copium is one hell of a drug.

>>713462067
He has a strange number tattoo in her arm. Not the usual one. To not mention that Hojo managed to fuck up even with Chadley.

>>713460231

You get to see more since the graphic allow for facial animations and shit. I remember the pillar in the first one where you get to see Rude jerk the helicopter at the right moment to stop Reno from shooting tifa.

>>713462135
Remake is a retconn passed as sequel, just to make the original enjoyer to shut up, like it has been Crisis Core. FF7 OG had a whole story by its own. They retconned it just because people want to pass more time with their beloved characters, like it is with the Marvel universe. And in fact the MCU is a pile of steaming crap filled with wokeness and DEI bullshit.

>>713467256
But mostly just dies.

>>713460409

This. Dyne was worse in the remake. It gave them the rope to hang themselves with. Way over the top on dynes part.

>>713462458
>I've seen a bunch of new players figure out the twist.
It's not a twist anymore since this is a sequel, you're expected to know it.

>>713462458
>as well as seeing how flashback Cloud acts just like Zack pretty much spells it out.
Cloud just acts young.

>>713457094
>I'M BEING FORCED TO FIGHT ENEMIES

>AAAAHHHHGGHHH HELP ME SONY MOVIE ENTERTAINMENT, I'M GOING INSAAAAAANNNNEEEEE!!!!!!!

>I ONLY LAUNCHED THIS TO HAVE A REASON TO FEEL INCLUDED ON R/GAMING!!! I'M GONNA WATCH MARKIPLIER LET'S PLAY FUNNY FNAF HIGHLIGHTS REEL COMPILATION

>>713462607
>>713464608
In 2030 Square will combine the trilogy into a single condensed game for $80.

>>713457853

So you save her but you cant because its not how things are supposed to go. You create a second timeline in that moment though. So the third game can play out as it should with dead aerith but they can bring her back whenever they want cause there is an extra live aerith in the dying timeline next door. Maybe shell even find zack during the interim.

>>713444337
Square Enix has never once said these are sequels. Get over it.

>>713467978
>You create a second timeline in that moment though
So there IS a multiverse?

>>713468062
There obviously isn't, and anyone who says so is an imbecile who doesn't understand the game. But if by any chance there was, there would definitely be a good reason to make me support it.

>>713453240
>In a little while
Its more like I am starving in a desert, my water is running low. I get offered to fill my water up all the way, or I can wait for 3 times the water, but I have no idea when im going to get the water, nor a guarantee that it will be a drinkable quality.

>>713467978
God this just sounds so stupid. I pray to god that FFX doesn't get a remake so they don't (further) butcher it's story with shit like this or shit from - Will.

>>713467978
thats...not what happens

>>713468170
Commit suicide.

>>713468327
Not to worry they have a confirmed scenario on standby for X-3 instead.

>>713468415
The Ultimania for this slop has been out for a while, you niggers can't gaslight people that the multiverse isn't a thing anymore.

>>713468624
dear god
ok nevermind

>>713457853
>The original
Simple and effective delivery, straight to the point, Sephiroth just goes and kills Aerith
>the demake
HORY MACARONI WE GOTTA CHANGE THE STORY MORE SHIT ASS EFFECTS OUT OF THE ASS WE ARE SO UNPREDICTABLE HAHA OH NOPE HE DIDN'T OH HE DID HAHA WE TRULY ARE FINAL FANTASY SEVEN THE REMAKE

>>713461762
>>713462067

Project g causes the degradation which is physical. Project S is mental with the ego and mind collapsing replaced with some amount of jenovas will or sephiroth since they are the same.

Better gameplay, less filler

>>713468062

They have a multiverse but kinda hand wave it saying there is one real timeline and all false ones die sooner or later. So alterative universes get created but are constantly dying.

>>713468532
>making sequels to games that already had good endings and needed no follow-up
Enix was a mistake.

>>713468415

Then what do you think happens. I see both eventualities occur. I see aerith dead and yet still alive and talking to cloud. Cloud can see her because he had the false black materia that lets people see things hidden through the life stream. He also sees the mark in the sky of a dying universe but no one else can. That mark is in the world with aerith and cloud sees both.

>>713440735
fpbp

>>713467813
No he doesn't. He does all of Zack's mannerisms and even talks like him.
It's no big deal in the original because you never even see Zack's personality until the big reveal, but here you play as Zack multiple times.

>>713469071
Aerith died, cloud goes full schizo and hes between the real world and the fake world where "aerith lived", thats the rift he sees.
Cloud will have to make a choice of having aerith forever but succumb to sephiroth will as sephiroth creates the promise land, or reject this, defeat sephiroth but having to say goodbye forever to aerith

>>713441228
>>713441410
>>713454139
>>713441591
>>713441607
This

>>713469148
For a new player, its not. Its just cloud before the PTSD, in the past, 5 years ago. Thats it.

>>713469232

We have already seen Zack move between the universes. Sephiroth can cut between them and I think we are supposed to interpret that some version of aerith probably in the life stream has the same ability. Shes not cut off. And shes real not just clouds hallucination. Or we would not have been shown the sky mark only cloud can see.

>>713466306
Incorrect. Good enemy designs, good character designs that made good use of body language (unlike remake/birth replacing it with more fucking talking and spooky ghosts) and excellent prerendered backgrounds. No stock unity NPCs, ugly generic lighting, and excessive particle effects.

>>713469396
>We have already seen Zack move between the universes
its not universes, its lifestream. Zack wont go to the "real" world ever. His memory and identity is pulled out of it by aerith/Cloud denial

>>713466481
There's way more than 2 optional pieces in FF7. None of them are fetch quests. You don't even need to breed chocobos.

>>713440581 (OP)
Complete single game from start to finish whit minimal padding.
So no starting from level 1 each new game.

But i don't consider the new games remakes to me they are alternate timeline fan service bullshit spinoffs.

>>713469475

Zack was in the dying world. It was not in the lifestream. Cloud and Aerith visit it for a bit just before the end bosses.

>>713469556
>Zack was in the dying world. It was not in the lifestream
the dying world is a dead lifestream branch, thats cloud dream.
>Cloud and Aerith visit it for a bit just before the end bosses
Thats aerith dream. Check the dogs, its a different one.

>>713467645
its not a retcon because retcons are a writers trick, they are never acknowledged in universe, 7R however has literal plot ghosts trying to keep things on track, the changes are all a part of the story.
the only thing i can compare it to is the evangelion rebuilds

>>713469071
NTA but here's the abridged version and as a bonus,a prediction for part 3.

The dream worlds are basically Lifestream soap bubbles where the souls of the dead find acceptance before diffusing into the Lifestream. Where this becomes a problem is that when Sephiroth absorbs the Lifestream, similar to OG, those soap bubbles come with him. Now this is where we get into part 3. Because the people in the dream worlds are dead. DED dead. And the planet itself also has an expiration date, that's what the Edge of Eternity is: the end of the world. However, if Sephiroth invents eternity then no one has to accept death anymore. Cloud can have Aerith back. Barret can have Myrna back. Tifa can have her father back. Vincent doesn't need to be a cuck. You can have it all. It's Seymour from FFX but dumber. If Cloud is sold on this idea then the party choosing to accept Aerith's death and the death of their loved ones will make them his enemy. Because why would you just accept the loss of the most important people in your lives if Sephiroth is offering a solution.

I would like to preface that this is dumb and the OG still would've handled it better. But if I'm right then I'm just going to laugh that I'm right because I can't do anymore than that I'm 4chan

>>713457094
>spamming tent
>crying about attacking while using jobs specialized in attacking
>still loses characters to random encounters

>>713463841
>genuinely believes events in media are all arbitrary
That is such a fucking sad way to live. Conveniently allows you to consume any slop though.

>>713440581 (OP)
It's shorter.

>>713469784
Of course there are some events that arent arbitrary. Its just that you chose one that actually is. Like, pick that scene and show it to someone that never played the original. Are you telling me like that they are gonna be like "wow this is badly written" or something?
It works fine for what it is and in its own context.

>>713440735
/thread

>>713454139
Yep.

>>713441114
nah senpai it's turn cringe

>>713469453
>designs
Moving the goalposts nigger, you said graphics.

>>713440581 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbdJCMbCzkw
/thread

>>713454139
This is why its a waste of time trying to reason with viir drones

>>713469480
You are so full of shit.
The only sidequests in FF7 that have actual dialogue that gives character lore are Wutai and Lucrecia. the Sunken Gelinka has a boss fight but not much lore. The rest are just fetch quests and battles
Claiming they have more development than Rebirth's is just an outright lie.

>>713470178
Still the best video on Remake, even if he is a little too kind to it in places. Did he ever make a video on Rebirth?

>>713469475
>its not universes, its lifestream
If it looks like a spade that's what it is.

>>713469375
Please actually read next time. New players already figured it out by noticing how Cloud acts like Zack. That was in the original post.
FFS.

>>713441232
>industrial warehouse
>modern agricultural silo
>roman aqueduct
>pipeline
>hogwarts
>helicopters carrying tanks
>all in a 500m square

Now that's video gaming!

>>713470394
Well, lets call the Canvas in exp33 another universe then.

How comes there are like 5 variations of ff7 threads every other day

it is my top 5 game of all time but I never really noticed how much ff7 threads there are until now each day

>>713470420
yeah, and ive seen others that didnt figure it out.

>>713470549
So? The fact that there are new players that do figure it out means you're wrong you retard. Cloud doesn't act young, he acts just like Zack, who you play as multiple times.

>>713470178
>never reviewed Rebirth
Owari da...

>>713470652
>Cloud doesn't act young
He acts young. It makes sense.

>>713470509
Because Rebirth is an amazing game and the usual people are bitter that people enjoy it.

>>713470463
Fine, we will. Are you going to stop crying when people say multiverses when talking about 7R?

>>713470178
>>713470337
>>713470701
I already paid him around 200 dollars on his patreon to review rebirth and be as harsh as possible. Dont worry, be patient.

>>713470729
We even see how young Cloud acts and he acts nothing like Nibelheim flashback Cloud.
You are coping, and it is embarrassing. I guess you or the streamers you watch are too slow to get it..

>>713470463
Ok, since it is another universe.

>>713440581 (OP)
complete story
good battle system
also
muh nostalgia
now seethe for me, queer

>>713470841
>We even see how young Cloud acts and he acts nothing like Nibelheim flashback Cloud.
what, young cloud is not emo

>>713470741
>Because Rebirth is an amazing game
That's why it flopped?

>>713470775
>>713470859
No no no no you're supposed to be as angry as I am about calling it a multiverse

>>713457094
Because we are not overstimulated. You seem to think that more apm = better gameplay but that's far from the truth. High octance action is just ONE of MANY ways to enjoy gaming. If you can not get that through your head then you will never get an answer to your question.

>>713470876
>good battle system
lol

>>713470775
Of course not. His gotcha backfired immediately.

>>713470337
>even if he is a little too kind to it in places
that's the most fucked up part of the remake
when it's good, it's REALLY good, and the character stuff is genuinely really appealing and in line with the original the majority of the time
it makes it all the more enraging that they couldn't just fucking make an actual remake with high production values and went all in on this fanfiction retardation and ended up bloating the whole project to hell even more

>>713470775
do whatever you want, man
call the trans woman a woman all you want, it wont make it a woman

>>713440581 (OP)
ff7 released literally the year I was born
I played it recently on my switch and fucking loved it
if i had played this game as a dumb kid it would have changed my whole life

>>713441114
tpbp

>you can only call it a multiverse if you admit E33 has a multiverse
Okay sure
>........................... >:(

>>713470818
Based. His podcast is great too.

>>713470178
I liked his Tekken video too

>>713470178
why is it always the irish?

I can't play FF7 unmodded anymore.

>>713471708
I knew it

>>713471708
I like when they collaborate, I wish they did it more

>>713471241
>

>>713471795
I can, the mods look like shit

>>713440581 (OP)
it's a full game.
no force ghosts.

>>713471328
>dumb kid
You are still dumb.

>>713440581 (OP)
It's a complete game that didn't cost $220 + taxes + DLC + waiting 4-5 years between each 1/3rd of the game to play, for one.

>>713471819
when has this happened

>>713471923
You have shit taste or picked shitty mods.

>>713471328
>dumb kid
You are still dumb

>>713440581 (OP)
Not censoredslop, didn't give Tifa a mastectomy like the demakes.
>>713440735
Also this, FPBP

>>713472635
Matt has done (voice only) cameos in several of his videos and been on his podcast

>>713454139
/thread

>>713457484
Whatever they say they'll be wrong, isn't that right? Because you've already decided part 3 is flawless and anyone criticizing it will be wrong

>>713440581 (OP)
The story is more condensed and concise, plus it's a full game. Everything that needs to be said, is said, and often times without fanfare or big cinematic expositions or anything like that. The big events that do happen and the ones that ARE cinematic are memorable, making it an overall enjoyable experience because everything flows so well throughout the hours. The Remake is quite literally just Nomura fanfiction shit and overproduced cinematic garbage. It's not bad because it's new, it's bad because they completely butchered the story because they have to make it for a "modern audience" AKA the streamer-culture that will play it once and IMMEDIATELY forget it the second the credits roll, so they're never invested in anything to begin with. They put one of the guys (Nomura) that hates Final Fantasy in charge of FF7 when all he wants is to make more nonsensical kingdom hearts shit and it clearly shows in the final product.

There was a correct way to do a FF7 remake and there was a wrong way, and they chose the wrong way twice, on purpose, and will do so a third time because they are relying on LOOK AT THE CLASSIC THING BUT IN NEW GRAFIIIXXXXXX shit and they hope adding fanfic plot twists will keep people interested when all it does is turn this supposed "remake" into an extremely high budget and glorified spinoff at best. This game didn't need to have the combat system it does and nothing ever needed to be more complex than just making the same ATB system with twists, which SE has vehemently said won't work and that "nobody" wants to play something like that, based on their data taken from their old corporate master's anuses. Fuck the remake, fuck nomura and fuck YOU.

>>713440581 (OP)
The detective story concept and atmosphere was better preserved in the original.
However the remakes have far superior gameplay. The ps1 FFs all had trash turn-based combat even back then.

>>713472797
post them NOW

>>713440581 (OP)
it's eerie

>>713473363
It happened a few times over many years, I didn't make a note of when and where sorry

Millennials are so pathetic
"My old ugly game is the best"
Remake shits all over the old game. And Rebirth just trashes it completely. Enjoy your lego people you old bastards

I do love how terrible the arguments of zoomers are >>713473513
Imagine thinking this convinces anyone
It never even sounds like an argument, but more like they're trying to convince themselves they're right. It's coping, not arguing.

>>713454139
>not one single 7R fan even mustered the courage to deny this

>>713465761
It really was that fucking easy, just make the OG game again but with good graphics

Damn, 7R is taking an absolute beating ITT
Quick, someone protect 7R's legacy by making a Scarlet futa thread

>>713466620
Terrible cherrypicked example, extremely early part of the game where you can't mess around with materia and party member combinations

>>713473958
The "OG" game is empty, and the character development is non-existent for anyone who isn't Cloud. The party just fades from the plot after you do their one off town story. They stop mattering
Old people trapped in nostalgia just can't admit the new games do everything better.
No wonder so many people here pick the Alicia ending in E33.

>>713474161
>The "OG" game is empty
Remake solves this problem by "filling" it with utter shit and tedium.

>>713474054
Dont you feel a little embarrassed of actually posting this
"quickly guys, we have 7r down! this is our chance!" pffhahaha

>>713474054
KEK
>>713473679
Sunk cost is a hell of a drug.

>>713474330
Our chance to what?

>>713474330
I don't see these threads as battlefields with winners and losers, I'm making fun of people who do. Like you.

>>713469453
I agree, the original had a very charming look with the prerendered backgrounds

>>713473513
>Remake shits all over the old game
They sure do, diarrhea in fact.

>>713474728
kek

>>713466306
I dont know about that. I think it was very charming, specially the monster design. It was maybe inconsistent when it comes to overworld vs battle/CG, but it worked fine.
Granted, that only made remake/rebirth better, since seeing all the monsters come to life was pretty damn cool. I still remember the first time i saw the Shock trooper move, so damn cool. A lot of personality.

>>713471328
You clearly are very smart because you like yuffie :)

>>713474064
>where you can't mess around with materia and spam matra magic or beta yet
Wow such deep "gameplay"

>>713440735
Strike 1!
>>713454139
Strike 2!
>>713470178
Steeeeeriiiiike 3!
FFVII Remake is ooooouuttta heeeere!!

>80's/80's/Y2K retro nostalgia baiting is hot shit right now with Zoomers (Stranger things, Cybercore, FNAF, Big-Brother aesthetic, even the fucking Minecraft movie had this shit)
>Have a game which is a cornerstone piece of late 90's/early 2000's aesthetic/culture
>Scrub the era aesthetic flavor out of the game as much as possible into some bland half modern feel
>Not creating some piece that allows Zoomers to effectively time travel to that era, 90's LET'S MOSEY lingo and all

Can you be this retarded?

>>713474952
Part 3 is still happening tranny, you lost.

>>713474796
This is why nobody takes Millennials seriously.

>>713474501
Our chance to finally defeat 7r and its legion! we can finally get rid of 7r threads for once and for all.

Only good thing the remake ever did was provide high quality 3d models for a good wank

>>713475017
It would have been so cool. But then indians wouldn't be able to dump unreal assets everywhere and blast it with shitty lighting.

>>713440735
first poost best poost

>>713475204
I love when you reveal that you really see this as a "fight" to win. It's what makes you so easy to mock. You need to WIN and you see any criticism of 7R as an "attack" in this imaginary battle of yours.
I'm not trying to make 7r threads disappear and I'm not trying to get part 3 cancelled and I'm not trying to make SE bankrupt. But the fact that that's what you see when I say 7R stinks tells me a lot about you.

>>713475482
Damn, 7r really took a beating.

The Black Materia's origin was ambiguously nonsensical instead of explicitly nonsensical.
the game sucks either way.

>>713462476
sneed

>>713475482
I know the guy you're replying to and trust me he is already typing the most passive aggressive sarcastic reply possible, but you will be able to hear the barely withheld anger, schizophrenia, and tears. He might even throw in a lol.

later in the game you have to think about elemental weaknesses, or resistances, enemies that get healed by certain elements, speed spells, barrier spells, equipment etc, If you don't like rpg's why bother man

>>713440581 (OP)
Better atmosphere, pacing and story

>>713475545
It did. I guess it wouldn't have if it was a better game.

>>713475616
>>713474856
Forgot to @ u mate

>>713469650

>>713475850
kek
saved

kek

>>713453240
>Food analogy

>>713448493
>nooo it has to look like SE HIRED THAT MAN or else it isn't good NOOOOooo
KILL YOURSELF SUBHUMAN

>>713454139
Consoomer mindset perfectly described here. You can see this same exact mental illness in any other series, especially ones that have been censored and raped by pozzing like FF has, such as Pokemon.
>okay they cut out half the content and released 20% of it back as DLC (first time ever in a mainline game)...
>B-BUT IT'S MORE POKEMON!!!
It's always this.
>But it's more of [series]! I HAVE TO BUY IT AND LIKE IT!
And also the "I want them to keep making games" mental illness too. Some series just need to die instead of being zombified on consoomer life support forever.
It's very infantilistic, not being able to let go of series you liked in the past or that you've associated with previously, wanting them to live forever and ever and ever, no matter the cost. The cost being not only financial, but spiritual as well, as every game this happens to always ends up a husk of its former self in terms of themes, characterization and how it presents itself, always becoming sterilized for normalfaggots and tranny tourists that never liked the original to begin with.

>>713460709
The way they handled Sephiroth in the Nibelheim flashback still bewilders me. And the entire snake scene... What the actual fuck were they thinking? Now compare it to if
>they introduce Midgar Zolom via a cutscene
>allow the player to try pass it, resulting in failure
>alright lets check out Billys chocobo farm
>get chocobo, return to lake
>lake is eerily quiet, maybe have it foggy
>snake impaled on tree slowly fades into view through the fog
>"... did Sephiroth do this"?
THAT'S ALL THEY HAD TO FUCKING DO. Ofcourse they couldn't because of the dogshit ending to the first part where you already defeat Sephiroth. But imagine how kino the scene would be with the new graphics. Fucking RETARDS.

>>713448493
>Hours later
>OGfags still pissing and shitting themselves over this post

>>713476163
OK we get it you're a purist and you'll hate everything other than the original. Meanwhile I and the rest of the real fans will keep getting new ff7 media until the day we die, and your crying will make it all the sweeter.

>>713476256
>years later
>still angry anyone dares to criticize 7r

>>713475570
The Gi Tribe and Black Materia in Rebirth makes no sense the more you think about it, but it was still kino

Said it before and I'll say it again: in the long term, FF7 was the worst thing to happen to Final Fantasy.

>>713457484
It actually will be really funny when they announce there will be the fourth part.

>>713457484

1 Game (Complete): $59.99 USD (and was also on sale for cheaper throughout the PS1's life cycle)

3 Games to remake the original over 10+ years $180 USD before DLC.

FF7 Remake was a lot of squeeze for just not enough juice,

>>713457484
time janny action slop. only good thing to come of these demakes is porn

>>713476550
>you liked thing for what it was and lament how it became shit? hah, get no standards like me ;)
Yeah, consoomers gonna consoom, we get it. You'll love everything other than the original. So long as it has the name on it you'll slurp up whatever diarrhea is sputtered out.
Can't imagine vocally taking pride in that though. Bit embarrassing, no?

The remake does some really awful choices. We will only be able to play Cid/Vincent for the very final part and both were always in my party before.

Also I don't know why it's not mentioned more but remake also ruins the actual tragic death in FF7 (Zack) and instantly revives him making his heroic sacrifice meaningless.

>>713440581 (OP)
i don't like putting remake and rebirth in the same category. rebirth is way, way better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwcvoY4ehOI&ab_channel=NobuoUematsu-Topic
Because this doesn't play for every boss fight.
WHAT THE FUCK WHERE THEY THINKING

The remake instantly ruined the Cloud twist making it obvious, Nomura should never be allowed to touch anything but kingdom hearts again. Keep shitting out a horrible convoluted game every 10 years just to keep him busy and away from anything that matters.

>>713448493
Clair Obscur has as many unique locations and towns as OG FF7 and an abstracted world map in modern graphics. It can be done.

>>713440735
Remakefags in shambles

>>713478539
So many people criticize remake hard after playing rebirth. Makes me think that the remake critics may have been right in retrospect. But we didnt listen until rebirth vindicated them. I wonder what criticisms of rebirth people will feel comfortable talking about when part 3 comes out

>>713440735
Hood shit right here.

>>713474796
Oh look another retard moving the goalposts

>>713448493
Can't wait for the FF9 remake to be out and be 1 AAA game so this cope finally ends.

>>713455008
>no one ever asked for this.
Most non-autists asked for it.

>>713479835
you mean the one that will look like trials of mana?

>>713468062
Yes, they completely appealed to the reddit MCU bullshit universe, supposing that this would have led SE to get money from players as a granted thing. Problem is that their plan backslashed.

>>713440581 (OP)
Sephiroth is not chasing Cloud like a demented ex, Cloud is not a fuckboy you had to get the best wig, necklace, etc. to make Don Corneo choose cloud, the game is not Kingdom Hearts lite, characters actually are morally grounded instead of being "good guys all along", the game had neat parallels Barret joined avalanche and had to protect and nurture Marlene, meanwhile was alone thinking that Shinra just killed everyone he loved, Sephiroth had literally no one and nothing besides his accomplishments, he didn't even talked about any foster family for all we know he was trained/treated as an experiment after Lucrecia fucked off, Cloud had Tifa who literally put his fractured psyche together and the support of the rest of the team, hell most of them are bitter miserable people shat by Shinra or by circumstances who join for better cause
>>713454139
You've seen the TL;DR version of this argument
>even if it's trash it's still better that nothing

for remakefags, if part 3 ended up being bad, would that ruin the other games for you?

>>713440735
BASED

>>713470178
why do zoomers need strangers to convince them to play a game?

>>713481727
They would never, ever admit it's bad. Consoomers are the most affected by sunk cost.

>>713479835
You mean the one with not even 1/100 of the budget of the remake you're comparing it to?

>>713481727
probably not

>>713440581 (OP)
Same ff thread as this morning with a different pic. The ff shilling has been off the charts since it totally failed to even come close to being a goty over some silly kids platformer. I’ve hadenough.

>>713470963
Delusional as much as those that think that Aerith is alive.

>>713481883
why do boomers not comprehend the idea of posting a video that agrees with your thoughts on a game and is already well produced and written to the point that writing it out yourself is a waste of time?

>>713440581 (OP)
Remake/rebirth ia needlessly long. Its a systemic slog with very repetitive loop in pointless vast open world maps.
Gave up on gongaga

>>713480086
>>713481940
Still coping?

>>713442279
Remake is better than rebirth

>>713482945
>noooooo it didn't flop! the president of the company is just delusional!

>>713454492
Every fucking new game ever made looks like this, except all the colors are washed out. Fucking AIDS

I thought Rebirth was really good up until that retarded multiverse ending. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>713484276
...said no one unironically.

>>713484830
>Every fucking new game ever made looks like this
Show me 3.

>>713440581 (OP)
Because I don't need DirextX 12 to play it.

>>713470437
No one's going to pretend that's bad with you.

>>713485673
The rot was already setting in years ago

>>713441232
>top soulless
>bottom level 100 soul

>>713486627
Those look nothing like the original picture, retard.

Reminder

>>713440735
The samefagging with one-liners is relentless.

Removing the IP counter was a mistake.

>>713440581 (OP)
I haven't played them, but this is a dumb comparison. They're completely different games.

>multiverse
DROPPED. GET BETTER PLOTLINES.

>>713487315
did kojima scan a real baby?

>>713440581 (OP)

>>713486819
You're right, every game has the
>big foggy landscape with nothing fucking in it and everything is gray, brown and green
Retard.

>>713440735
OP dies of anal rape

>>713440581 (OP)
pacing, complete game, and somehow a more cohesive story, which is an astoundingly low bar for the remake to trip over

>>713440735
Fpbp
>>713441114
Fpbp like usual

>>713440735
Good on ya. BP that's simple yet deadly accurate I've seen in a long ass time
>>713441114
atb =/= tb, but I'll chip in a (You) for being a good lad
>>713441410
BIG THIS. I'm all for bringing back 90s/00s goodness, but everything has to remain in tact, i.e., not replacing edge with "safe edge", not shoehorning post 10s sensibilities, not using modern gaming crutches to replace things that worked perfectly fine, and so on.

I got a copy of rebirth on clearance ($20) the other day and while I was plodding through the flashback section I genuinely thought to myself that I would rather replay FFXV than keep going. I have never once had that experience playing the original game

>>713440581 (OP)
The og was made for the Japanese audience and has soul.
The remakes are made for western audience and AIDS.

>>713487247
considering modern game journalists I think that score for the og is technically something like 156

>>713487247
Rebirth is like a 80 without the woke bonus.

>>713490350
>You're right
I know I am you stupid fuck. Those were completely different environments from the original pic.

>>713491680
Go to see it's staying faithful to the original.

>>713491371
This.

>>713476229
>The way they handled Sephiroth in the Nibelheim flashback still bewilders me
I knew it was doomed when they turned what was his first reveal in the original into a complete wet fart
>OG
>you finally see what Sephiroth looks like for the first time in the back of the truck
>he's calm, collected, and professional while Cloud is a typical brash hotheaded kid itching for some action
>truck is stopped by a literal fucking dragon
>it's pitch black outside and raining
>only music is the bell and heartbeat
>Cloud is pathetically weak, dies in one hit no matter what attack the dragon uses
>Sephiroth fully revives him each time with Life2, effortlessly kills the dragon in a few hits while tanking its attacks
>you can't control Sephiroth's turns, he acts completely on his own accord
After all the buildup to him in Midgar it was a fucking flawless reveal, he was even stronger even five years ago than you were led to believe and Cloud seems like an absolute joke by comparison. It makes him seem genuinely like an unstoppable supersoldier, meanwhile in the remake:
>you've already seen Sephiroth multiple times before now and had a huge retarded teleporting space battle with him, so seeing him in the flashback has zero impact
>truck gets stopped in broad daylight
>no dragon, just two goofy frog things
>Sephiroth is stronger than Cloud but Cloud still keeps up with him relatively well, power gap feels much smaller
>crappy action music instead of the bell and heartbeat
>you can control and fight as Sephiroth, makes him feel like less of an enigma

>>713440581 (OP)
Using that disgusting style from Advent Children. It's like watching a live action anime. All the overly expressive animations is cringe inducing.

>>713492265
>ESL ignores all context
Oh no, it's retarded...

ok, to the average anons here, is rebirth worth playing for 40 dollars?

>>713493432
$20 at best and skip the side content.

>>713493432
Remake was much better so if you didn't like it you will hate Rebirth.

>>713493432
Who's 40 dollars? Yours or mine? I wouldn't spend mine on it, but if you spent yours on it and gifted it to me I probably still wouldn't play it, but I'd feel bad about it sometimes.

>>713441232

FF7 is Yuffie Kisaragi, the hottest girl of all time, stuck with
the worst cast of characters ever created in the worst overworld ever created set to the worst OST ever created.

>>713494209
Holy shit, someone sane in a FF7 thread.

>>713440735
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SNAP SON!

>>713494169
Grim

>>713440581 (OP)
better twist
remake tryhard to be something nobody likes

Because original is a JRPG while the remake is ARPG and FF is a series of JRPGs

>>713440581 (OP)
It’s not a sequel to something it’s claiming to be a remake of for one.

New piece from Cirenk

Both are shit, other FFs are better.
Also >>713440735
FPBP

>>713440581 (OP)

>>713501241

>>713440581 (OP)
Originality, and the new one is like a shitty fanfiction with cringe characters and dialogue and the gay multiverse slop

>>713441232
If gfx is everything just watch a movie? Tf?

>>713458512
The game practically breaks the 4th wall with dementors, very cringe pilled

>>713501685
the remake has better gameplay too

>>713440735
So FF7 remake will be better once the third part is out?

>>713441545
Complete and utter contempt for the fan base. No one liked Lightning, or Noctis, and just wants a ff7 remake so they gave the fans the remake but instead of giving them the one they wanted they shat all over it out of pure seething spite.

>>713501967
No, it'll always be three (four, maybe more) separate parts that are terribly disjointed.

>>713501967
By rule of law, yes.

>>713440581 (OP)
The content vacuum that is OG FF7's laughably short third disc could have easily included new updated dialogue for the NPCs, but instead most of them just spout the same text as in Disc 1. Lazy copy paste job.

Akira is more soulful than anything in the OG.

He sings three full songs in a place players can easily miss as it isn't part of any story or sidequest.

>>713501851
Some combat moments are better.

>>713501268
This webm really puts into perspective why you never see or hear gameplay discussions about the remakes.

>>713501851
Some combat moments are better. Genuinely nothing else is better. Mini games based off landmarks in the original aren't fun.

>>713494169
Probably because the rebirth was Hamaguchi trying and failing to understand why people buy ubishit games.

>return to North Corel
>birds start following Barret around
heh

>>713441114
ATB is not turn based

FF7R was supposed to re-invigorate FF, it's done nothing of the sort and actually is just pure slop. Each game is forgotten within a couple of months of coming out. It has none of the actual magic of the original game. People pretend to like it, cause it has pretty graphics but it's quickly forgotten. I have a friend that is a massive FF7 fan, and they kept on about the game forever before it came out on PC and would not shut up about it. Within a few weeks of playing it, they never talk about it anymore.

>>713503237
Why is your Barret not nude, Nude Barret anon?

>ff7 remake part 3 goes into Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus
>cloud and co. defeat Sephritoh, Genesis, and Weiss
>all of a sudden
>Sin emerges
>Tidus comes in
>"Hey, leave this to us
>Coming 2030

I cleared the original ff7 recently and i simply have zero draw to the remakes.

>>713481727
Mass Effect 3’s ending didn’t ruin the other two games for me so unless Square really, really fucks it up (which is probable), I’ll be happy with it.

>>713503474
I wanted to make a webm of this and thought it'd be funnier with master chief

>>713474161
>The "OG" game is empty
Wrong.
>and the character development is non-existent for anyone who isn't Cloud.
To spout such a lie so confidently...
>The party just fades from the plot after you do their one off town story.
Instead we have their one off town story, side quests that dont matter and banter that I dont give a fuck about... yay <_<. I'm so relieved that we get to see Red XIII get sad over chicken's death. Oh boy! Im sure Barret will look fondly back on that one time he met some fat nerd in a jungle that made him a weapon. I'm sure there was plenty more but for the life of me, I cant bother to remember them... probably because they dont add anything to the story.
>They stop mattering
Better that way then shove them forcefully into a final fight in order to make me "care". I still dont. Fuck you.
>Old people trapped in nostalgia just can't admit the new games do everything better.
To be so wrong, so confidently...
>No wonder so many people here pick the Alicia ending in E33.
kek

>>713440735
fpbp

>>713454547
As bad as it is, it’s still better than Metroid Prime 4. That game was announced in 2017 for the Switch and only somewhat recently have we seen trailers for it. Still want a behind the scenes of it one day for why Miyamoto bogged it in production hell for nearly a decade.

>>713503417
wrangle yourself, autist. Your distinction is redundant.

>>713501851
It has action combat gameplay but it does not have better RPG gameplay. It does not have better gameplay.

>>713504642
>but it does not have better RPG gameplay
lol yes it does

>>713502429
That's because nobody gives a fuck about action combat in FF.

>>713502429
/v/ will never be able to appreciate good game design unfortunately

the vibe based economy is in full swing

>>713492750
This. People like to harp on about story-telling via gameplay like it's a recent thing but it was already there in the 90s.

>>713502429
With all the pausing it should have just been turn cringe combat. SoP is the only FF game that got action right and they needed an outside dev to do it.

>>713492750

>>713459171
I’ll give my two cents but I replayed the original this year, and it’s only the first time in my life I’ve beaten it (never beat the previous 2 attempts in 2003 and 2015)
Cons of Remake/Rebirth to start
>Bloat in the open world sections gets really tedious really quickly
>Chadley interrupting the open world parts every 2 minutes
>Too many minigames and a lot seem to have their ‘Hard’ difficulty just for the sake of it
>Maxxing AP for Materia sucks ass
>Some parts of some sections feel like they drag on unnecessarily long (Hojo’s Lab in Remake and Shinra Manor in Rebirth come to mind)
>Some parts in original better than in Remake (Dyne’s death comes to mind)
>All the characters have been Flanderized to be like their AC versions for some reason
>Sephiroth doing what he’s been doing has taken some tension and mystery out of him. Fights against him really suck in this regard. Remake should have ended with a ‘Whisper’ version of Sephiroth and Rebirth should have ended with Jenova
>Feels more like a sequel to OG than a Remake/Remaster, but if they stick the landing with Part 3 I might change my mind
Pros
>Despite Flanderization, characters (namely the main party) are still likeable
>The few minigames that didn’t irk me were really good and better than original (Fort Condor and Chocobo Racing)
>Some parts done better than others. The Gi and origin of the Black Materia come to mind (never made sense to me in the original why the Cetra/Lifestream would make the Black Materia in the first place)
>Combat system is pretty good and does what it needs to do. Enemies (namely bosses) feel like a mix of Zelda and Monster Hunter. I.e work out weakness to pressure them, exploit it, then Stagger them and go to town. Synergy Attacks in Rebirth get bonus points for style alone.
>Music but Uematsu’s stuff always sounds great
>Red having different voice lines for quests that could be done before visiting Cosmo Canyon but are done afterwards instead.

>>713504678
lol no it doesn't. You're telling me with a straight face that parry QTE is a RPG game mechanic? You're telling me that rationed materia and limited customization is a RPG game mechanic? In a game where you could have infinite amount of any materia mind you. Play SMTV or E33, those games are proper RPGs because they allow you to go ham under the hood and cook up whatever you fancy.
>b-but anon! Game dev wanted players to experience it that wa-
I dont give a fuck.

>>713504967
I post gameplay that only uses shortcuts and you niggers say the game is playing itself because you don't understand what's happening, I post gameplay where I use the command menu to make it more obvious what I'm doing only for you fucks to say it's cringe and pauses too much you're all just dumb fucking cocksuckers.

>>713505198
Look at this monkey fucking retard thinking he's so clever

>>713505276
Concession accepted. You can leave the thread now.

>>713502429
FF has never been about the gameplay, it's always been about the cinematic experience so it doesn't matter that Demakes have some of the shittiest FF combat, only that it has some of the worst writing.

>>713505151
>Why Lifestream would make the Black Materia in the first place
To shit test humanity.

>>713440581 (OP)
KH2 is the only good thing Nomura has made /thread

>>713505303
Go um akshully someone who cares this thread already over dumbass

>>713505591
Treat your stroke.

>>713505632
I've been stroking it this entire time

>>713441680
Wrong opinion.

>>713505276
If everyone always shits on your gameplay clips maybe the gameplay is the problem.

>>713505826
kek good one retard

>>713440581 (OP)
Remake Rebirth didn’t invent anything, it’s just a self-delusion that "people don’t play turn-based games"

>>713440581 (OP)
The characters are more endearing when you can just read their dialogue as text and not have to suffer the voice actors making random anime Ugh!? Ah! EEEEEH!!! noises and grunts while staring blankly like complete fucking autists or over-emoting like theatre kids on their third energy drink. I genuinely cannot stand modern JRPGs you have to be a genuine smooth brain to endure this shit.

>>713505880
>What makes you think action combat always is and always has to be better than slow cozy turn-based?
>In what ways will your life will get worse if there are people out there enjoying slow paced cozy turn-based combat?
>Why is it so important that cozy turn-based combat has to be supplanted with action combat? What are the stakes?
>Why do you resort to name calling when facing disagreement?

>>713506053
That's alotta shit you wrote that I'm not gonna read lol

>>713506085
2nd concession accepted.

>>713441232
yes

>>713506206
*steals you're concessions*

lmao suck it nerd