We lost.

"We"?

I didn't lost shit

>>713450552 (OP)
Is it just me or the hate on those threads was the most inorganic shit possible? This was literally a net positive for consumers

>>713450861
this is the website that celebrated Concord getting shut down after a week

>>713450552 (OP)
>I NEED the government to step over and keep shitty games alive
Why?

>>713450552 (OP)
It is quite interesting how contrarian people here are just because the guy behind the movement doesn't look good. Nobody even read the initiative or watched his video. Meanwhile they take their opinion from a guy who keeps yelling insults and has ulterior motive in not wanting any laws to restrict his upcoming live service games. On top of spreading blatant misinformation about the whole movement.
I just genuinely don't understand it. Why does /v/ dislike "Stop Killing Games" so much? It makes no fucking sense to me and would be beneficial all around from players to devs.
It's even more frustrating to see same old misinformation being repeated on loop as why the movement would be bad.

>>713451509
>"why yes, i want devs to fuck me without lube and shut down games i like so i can never play them again :)"

>didn't immediately commit to rolling in the mud with piratesoftware
>entire initiative fails
Fuck today's apathy

>>713453178
4chan was compromised by shills and plants a long time ago. The days of coming together to stomp on real world problems is gone and the heroes of that era have left this rotting hole in the web.

>>713450552 (OP)
Ukraine lost, consumers lost, Trump won, Putin won, The bad guys won.

>>713454274
>>713454463
It's not over yet. I'm sharing this vid in every gaming and vtuber community I have access to.
If we can get One large tuber to cover this before june ends, we might be able to save it.
FUCK Being a Doomer. I want to Fucking Fight for what I believe in!

>>713451509
Because the government will come after you for trying to keep shitty games alive.

>>713454770
Based anon, keep fighting the good fight.

Nooooo stop killing stop killing games initiatives

>>713451509
because euros have no self control

>>713451509
>I WANT TO OWN NOTHING AND BE HAPPY
Why?

>>713454770
lol it is ovaries anon. Time move on to the next communism campaign.

>check steam library
>it is still there
I knew it was all a fearmonger.

>>713450552 (OP)
this speech becomes more and more relevant every day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMHIYDHMSE
protesting does nothing, you need more.

>>713450552 (OP)
This has been the dumbest fucking campaign ever. You can’t force companies to either run servers forever or work for free developing a way for players to do it.

>>713456875
Just don't buy them bro, it is literally that easy.

>>713453178
>It is quite interesting how contrarian people here are just because the guy behind the movement doesn't look good.
Its just for the replies, like it always has been.

>>713457201
Voting with your wallet almost never works

>>713451509
>I NEED corporate cock to constantly sodomize me
Why?

>>713457201
Other people will though.

>>713450552 (OP)
I will keep buying on GoG and pirating, rarely, since most games suck anyways.
It is what it is.

>>713457673
I will make it easier for americans
>I don't like chocolate cake, I only eat strawberry cake
>Thus the government daddy should mandate that all restaurants must only serve strawberry cakes
If you don't like chocolate cake then don't order it, but you have no right to prevent people selling or buying chocolate cakes.

Welp, Ross deserves a nice possum hole to fuck after all this.
>>713454770
>vtuber community
i wish you luck because if this shit gets up because if fucking Pekora saying "stopu killingu gamesu??" launches it to over a million i'm gonna lose my marbles

>>713457931
Yeah, it is called freedom.

>>713458216
completely fucked the grammar laughing but hopefully the message got through

>>713453178
Just a reminder that 2007 was 18 years ago. Most people browsing this board right now haven't played HL, let alone seen or have heard of Freeman's Mind.

>>713458171
Alright, that doesn't change what i said

>>713458171
No one is saying that they should ban live service games, just that they should offer the means to play it if the stop updating them instead of making them unplayable

>>713461281
>restaurants still can sell chocolate cakes if they wish
>we are just removing the incentives that make them want to sell chocolate cakes

>>713458171
Good job completely missing the point faggot, no one is demanding a ban on anything. It's literally about letting people use the data they already have on their machine as they want without fear of financial or legal retaliation.

>>713453178
Or maybe he couldn't stop making his shitty meme videos while expecting everyone to take his movement seriously was a bigger problem.

>>713461540
I know that you're a fat ass that can't stop thinking about eating shit, but that comparison doesn't work, i don't think the kids playing fortnite will drop it because the devs say something like "hey when we stop supporting the game you can still play it through private servers"

>>713453178
more government is bad.
less goernment is good
the whole thing is /pol/ ajacent

>>713461868
>Why yes i voted for the faggot that will turn America into mgs2 but i don't want the government to stop devs being greedy assholes
Sure

>>713450861
No it wasn't, eurocucks are so brainwashed that think the government has any interest in helping people.
I am not even a burger and I can see the writing on the wall.
The only way to preserves game is doing it ourselves, not even the developers keep their source code.

>>713453178
it's either an astroturf, simple malicious trolling, or both.
It makes sense as an astroturf because it is well known at this point that shills both foreign and domestic shill for conservative causes here like crazy, and whether you like it or not asking the government to regulate game development studios for the sake of consumers is a pretty left-wing thing to do.

It makes sense as malicious trolling because it's something that most people that genuinely like games want.

Pick your belief.

>>713456758
>You don't get to own games actually

Here's a quick economics summary:
you pay for a service with a set end date or completion requirement, OR you buy a product.

Online service games you pay for can be turned off for literally any reason. This completely circumvents capitalism you fucking clown.

>>713453178
Sharty zoomers hate anything constructive

>>713461958
what does an american president have anything to do what I said?
the GOP is about big gov like dems. I thought americans knew that.
as for the greedy moral argument i can only say this: you get the industry you deserve - a lot of people bought and voted thusly for this industry and were spurred on by FOMO. take it or leave it.

>>713461868
>libertarianism is when you are not allowed to do anything about game companies scamming people
God you people are retarded
Yeah, let's legalize murder because law enforcement is the government and less government = good, there is such thing as nuance

>>713450552 (OP)
it's not a complete loss
the whole movement is a good sample of reference for consumer interest whenever something big happens and governments want to get involved, that's probably highly likely to happen in the near future

>>713450552 (OP)
Why does ever post related to petition read like bait? I really hope real people aren't keeping this up for 5+ hours of their life but I wouldn't be surprised.

>>713453178
The Dead Internet Theory is real and a majority of 4chan posters are bots.

>>713462368
I can say that you, just you, and anyone like you, are nothing more than people that argue for convenience and security at every turn of the cheek. Whether it is a big business or a big government. You'll take anything from anyone and bitch when the money runs out and such comforts or security are no longer there.
> example
> Nintendo raises prices to meet demands of a system that has everything customers demanded or openly wondered or suggested
> people cry because the implied was to have everything they asked at the fiscal expense of Nintendo.
talk about gross entitlement.

>>713462616
No it's that people here are posting by-the-numbers and have become the bots themselves so-to-speak. The fact that "dead internet theory" is a cover up for the blatant stupidity that people have been rendered to because they take what they see on their screen at face value and believe in some magical electronic notion of a community existing in abstract.
https://youtu.be/eKl6WjfDqYA

>>713456951
>You can’t force companies to ... work for free developing a way for players to do it.
Sure you can, why wouldn't you be able to? Just make it a law and fine/sue corporations if they don't.

>>713462870
Then video games are dead then.
Let's pack in boys! play time is over.
I can't wait for /jacks/ board where we talk about playing jacks, pog, and maybe even non gambling craps and roulette

>>713461868
More government is better than more corporations.
>but they own the government
Behead CEOs and nationalize corporations. Ban lobbying.
>but the green line
I don't care.

>>713462616
Occam's Razor. The average poster is simply a neanderthal who can't think for himself.

>>713463223
I don't talk to Leninists.
Especially incidental Leninists that don't quite understand that Leninists and any /pol/tard DO NOT LIKE VIDEO GAMES.
To repeat:
> SOCIALISTS, MARXISTS, LENINISTS, COMMUNIST, DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS, DO NOT CARE OR LIKE VIDEO GAMES
they think having a stick of tree bark is more fun.
They'll unironically tell you that "mirrors are more fun than television"

>>713463073
>Then video games are dead then.
Live slop video games are dead. Making a normal game will change nothing at all for the devs.

>>713462341
>GOP is about big government
When it comes to individual freedom, not big business.

The supporters of this are so dishonest and/or schizo that no sane person would ever join a movement they were part of. According to them nobody could ever actually disagree with more government regulation, therefore anyone who takes issue with SKG is a bot/Indian/shill/contrarian. Maybe next time let people who aren't extremely off putting run the marketing campaign.

>>713463507
Are you doing the Helen Lovejoy equivalent of "WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!"
Just change children with "dev" and - well you get what I'm saying. Is that what you're doing?
I mean what about the devs? What studios? There was a hiring glut during 2020-2021.
They can get good at their job or take a hike or start their own studio.

>>713450861
Yeah, with how many big companies it had in its way, it's no wonder it was so shilled against. I mean, it could also be non shill, organic communists that oppose the idea of having ownership of games, but that seems more far fetched.

>>713463073
Why would they be dead? Plenty of single player and multiplayer games already do this. I can boot up Ultima Underworld from 1992, TF2 has had private servers since 2007, and even recently all the biggest hits of the past few years (Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, Astro Bot) can all be played offline without publishers or developers needing to do anything.

>>713463547
You don't know much about American history as you think you do.
here's a professional tip: read up on the Henry Clay administration and the Whig party.

>>713454770
Nice, anon. Never give up.

>>713462040
We dont need to fucking preserve anything.
I own like 1100 games, from which 600 are physical. If you count 2 weeks per game, thats 42 years and my library is like a drop in the ocean compared to what's out there.
There's enough, there's always more to come.
Value is also in the fact that things dont last forever. Can you imagine getting into gaming today and having 9 gens of games to look through?

>>713463732
You're answering with an argument to something I didn't even address.
> do this
do what? what is your subject in your sentence? What are you talkin about?
Or are you implying an argument of "I got my shit, fuck you." if you are then that's standard issue behavior of your typical self-styled "gamer"

How about we do the same thing to always online games as we've done to tobacco products, slap on a huge "This software may arbitrarily cease functioning at any time it is convenient to the publisher" label that takes up half the box art.
This way the consumer is fully informed of what he is getting into and the publisher has to do nothing.

>>713451121
Because it was complete dog shit.

>>713450552 (OP)
Every "supporter" post reads like a similar insult every thread every post. Why are people surprised it failed? The posts still read the same. It's always some form of
>shill
>retard
>SAARs
Even if real people were posting this, it feels so phony too. Nobody going to sign a petition with their real life stuff when every supporter feels like a fake insult bot.

>>713464035
they already did that with the EULA but you retards can't read
what would another warning label telling you what you already know accomplish?

>>713463996
>do what? what is your subject in your sentence? What are you talkin about?
I'm talking about
>work for free developing a way for players to do it
Plenty of games have done it, plenty of games do it, plenty of games will continue to do it into the future.

You really need to lay off the weed or whatever meds you're taking because it doesn't appear you can follow a 4-post conversation.

>>713464035
That's silly because that's already been done by the publishers themselves!
Playstation 2 games that were online or Playstation 3 games had an "ONLINE" sticker or graphic printed on the cover to tell people "THIS IS AN ONLINE GAME" why the need to have government required standard labeling practies? Sounds like someone might want to get a job making $50K a year doing practically nothing but inspecting label practices. Nintendo is doing this very explicitly with NSW2 games!

ThorGODS keep winning.

Nothing can bring us down.

>>713464193
>work for free developing a way for players to do it
I never posted that. You answered to the wrong anon. I think you should check your replies before you post to the wrong person. And complete your sentences please.

>>713464267
W he destroyed the far right incel propoganda against live service kino

Gamers shouldn't have been so entitled, it didn't have to be this way.

>>713464267
Man I do hope eSports becomes a thing of the past. If anything, nothing more than a Las Vegas gambling sideshow with a residency location.
eSports is literally gay.

>>713462846
Philosophically speaking, what's the difference? Either everyone here is a bot, or they've become so indoctrinated as to be indistinguishable from bots. The end result is the same.

>>713464539
Thor isn't an e-sport faggot. He's a coding and security genius that also works hand-in-hand with numerous dev teams, even developing his own project LIVE ON STREAM. Giving coding advice FOR FREE.

>>713464361
>I never posted that.
My guy I can literally click the backlinks and show you the entire conversation thread.
How are you this confused?

>>713456951
That's why Ross suggests that devs should include end of life service plans that players can utilize you stupid fucking dumb animal. Do you even know anything about this movement or are you misrepresenting it on purpose?

>>713453178
Because you faggots kept flooding the board with these fucking threads.

>>713464559
Don't be pretentious with abstraction.
The difference is one is a programmed solution to buy time for an otherwise dead website for traffic (as if this website ever made money) and the other is that you can deprogram people by quitting this place and social media in general.
"Like, nigger, delete your Facebook."

>>713450552 (OP)
The moment I found out it only would apply to games made after this could pass, I lost all interest.

>>713464639
>>>/g/ that way nigger.
I am tired of code faggots coming to /v/ to flex on shit no one really cares.
Make my game nerd or shut the fuck up.

>>713453178
cause like the start of the video stated. People don't care, nothing will ever get done, and we live in the timeline where a mad max future is the BEST future we could hope for.

>>713450552 (OP)
Nothing ever changes. Nothing is ever achieved. Nothing ever happens.

>>713458171
I share a board with people this retarded

>>713464741
Hey dumbass try to learn to better type replies so as to have someone understand what you're answering to then.
Okay then.
when I said "games are dead" I meant with the industry as a whole. The major corporations wouldn't have incentive to continue and much of the ecosystem that even indies depend on are subsidized in one way or another by corporations that would have to pack up and leave.
If you have government legislate more and more then there's less and less incentive to bother continuing and if they do, they will have to pass increased business costs to the customer - which knowing customers (GAYmers) they will bitch and buy nothing.
Are you European? I know you Euros type in one-phrase slogans all the time like your Eurodance songs but damn dude. Give me a break.

>>713464845
>and the other is that you can deprogram people by quitting this place and social media in general.
Surely someone so easily influenced by the media will always be a simple pawn their entire life? If it's not the internet it'll be the newspapers, or television, or just parroting the words of people around them. These people are already lost.
You need to tackle the basic educational foundation of critical thinking and teaching people to think for themselves, or they'll always just be a robot that parrots the opinions of the closest thing to hand.

>communism failed yet again
Next on news: the water is wet

>Eurabians wanted to preserve live service slop like concord with billions of their tax dollars

I know the real reason devs don't want to do end of life plans for their games is because they would end up competing with their own products.

>>713465215
>by corporations that would have to pack up and leave.
Do you really think that if laws passed against live service games that major companies would straight up pack and leave forever?
Seems far more likely they'd probably just go back to how games used to be developed.
Not that other anon, btw.

>>713465215
>when I said "games are dead" I meant with the industry as a whole.
I figured, hence why I replied with examples of games that would not be affected in the least by this legislation passing.
>The major corporations wouldn't have incentive to continue and much of the ecosystem that even indies depend on are subsidized in one way or another by corporations that would have to pack up and leave.
I don't follow this line of thought. Corporations still have the incentive of making money; the only difference is they will be making slightly less money, either because they have to guarantee that their game will be playable when they drop support OR they have to publicize that their game will come to an end at some point and that will turn off some people from buying the game in the first place.

years of shilling for nothing eurotroons.....

>>713465328
> they are lost
You would be surprised a month with no phone, internet, t.v. can do to someone.
But seriuosly to anyone here that can bother: quite social media. It makes you literally sad and gay. Even 4chin is stupid most of the time.

>>713465464
kinda like with mario kart world and tekken 8 with people jumping back to mario kart 8 and tekken 7 for how shit the new installments were received

>>713465328
Yes, but,
>the newspapers, or television, or just parroting the words of people around them
Are all not as invasive as the internet. Radio is the only comparable thing, and even that isn't half as bad, if only by virtue of being audio only and having less interactivity.

>>713465716
yea, but sadly even with the glow niggers running this site, it is better than reddit, facebook, and twitter which amazes me. Never messed with tiktok but it and instagram have melted people's attention spans.

>>713465891
>tiktok and instagram have melted people's attention spans.
boomer ahh take

>>713465660
>nta
got it.
Okay so I wouldn't gamble with a company that has tasted an easy gravy train run. You know? If you had a business that had a gravy train and you couldn't because of "the law" then you would find somethin that you can do legally or otherwise to continue. And vidya gaem companies are no exception but if they can't do anything within 6, 12, 24 months then they quit and move on to something else and if all options suck, they quit or pack up.
> they go private
> they file bankruptcy
> they spin off the failing business operation
> et al
But they will not react too kindly to legislation because what is happening is government is telling them how to do their business.
You want live services games to stop? Tell your local World of Warcraft faggot to go fuck himself. Avoid any and all games that require online DRM or online server checkups before playing. It's total war: you withhold your money like a woman withholding sex.

>we did it 4chan, we killed another woke game by voting with our wallet. go woke go broke lolololo
>actually voting with our wallet doesn't work and we need SKG and our government daddy to help us
Make a decision /v/

>>713465751
Is the new Mario Kart really that bad? What happened?

>>713457201
>99/100 people vote with their wallet
>1/100 is an addicted gigawhale ready to spend his family's entire accumulated wealth on a single product
>those 99% don't matter anymore
I LOVE MICROTRANSACTIONS

>>713466031

Nothing, it's superior in everyway.

Shills, schizos, and e-celebs are having tranny meltdowns at switch 2 and mario kart world for literally no reason

>>713462040
>The only way to preserves game is doing it ourselves, not even the developers keep their source code.
You can't preserve shit when the game is server-dependent & the server gets shutdown, retard. That was the whole point of the campaign.

>>713465959
thanks for proving the point

>>713450552 (OP)
Technically they didn't lose if instilling the fear of such regulatory possibility causes game publishers to voluntarily create end of life plans for video games going forward.

Reminder ESRB is self-regulation, not government.

>>713466119
So everyone is happy? Why are you so angry at 1% whales are spending their fortune on these games?

>>713466119
>games exist I don't like therefore I HAVE TO buy them because someone else will anyways
lol pathetic

>>713466336
99% of people aren't happy
Hell, 100% aren't if you consider what kind of life that poor whale is leading

>>713466031
I enjoy it but it isn't as exciting as 8
cons
>$80
>no guest characters
>no vehicle customizing
>no antigravity
>not as crazy tracks
>most of the courses in gp is just traveling to another track, not the track itself
>boring free roam

pros
>great soundtrack of remixing almost everything nintendo
>knockout tour is fun and reminds me of speed racer/ wacky racers
>tweaked items to be better
>the tracks are fun and many omages/refrences to past tracks.

Honestly if they just hurry up with dlc for blue falcon/ other karts rcers and tracks then it would be better than 8.

>>713466550
go watch breadtuber vaush bad empanada hasan you cringe leftist communist who hates capitalism and the west

>hard working developers should pay out of their own pocket for game servers for eternity
ummm.. yeah... no. y'all are deluded.

>>713466671
who said that

>>713466671
I too, enjoy repeating false and misleading statements on anonymous image boards

>>713466736
Maldavius Figtree

>>713466550
Why are they not unhappy about a game they didn't buy? Not all games out there meant for you

>>713466786
maldavius figtree would never call developers "hard working"

>>713465693
Business can have no incentive to continue if they see that there is a forced situation of - how to put it this way - where it seems as if the government wants them to be in a sunk-cost fallacy situation (similar to, if not also, a catch-22 situation). I just think that live service games have been a cash cow that many people (here and elsewhere on the Internet) have paid money into and have voted support for. And if that cash cow is legislated out, companies are going to either rolleback costs of operation to increase or maintain certain operational income or they will quit or lower production output. So if that means that they have to just settle doing nothing or something that has nothing to do with video game production at all, this makes the market have less resources available for customers to have choices to buy. I know it comes off as abstract but the majority of the ecosystems in Europe, North America and Japan are dependent on corporations. And if you disincentive them, they will quit outputting at the rate they have been because it not worth the losses.

>>713465891
Fuck yeah dude. Jack Dorsey may be a insufferable Missourian midwestern faggot but he got it right by buying and killing vine.

>>713466671
>hard working developers should pay out of their own pocket for game servers for eternity
With the amount of times this has been debunked by ross himself over several videos, not to mention this latest one, i would laugh if it wasn't so frustrating
Absolute fucking retards, every one of you

>advocating for slapping food out the hands of hard working indie developers
Fuck this chud

>>713467064
If it was debunked so heavily, why people still believe in it?

Hmm, should I listen to
>A fucking live swamp monster
Or
>A certified genius in his field and a master of articulation.
Hmmmmmm

Critical thinking is dead.

>>713467369
because most people are brain damaged and cannot read or think, just look at >>713467404

>>713458638
FUCK, I remember that shit. I've been chronically online for decades now, jfc

>>713453178
>Why does /v/ dislike "Stop Killing Games" so much?
The short version: You are retarded and you are following the pipe dreams of some internet nobody.
Not only that but you are a total bitch about it.

You are frankly too retarded to understand the long version.
So I will not waste time.
You are clearly not an adult.

His current fanbase are fucking retarded and underaged and cannot hold an actual discussion.
Reminds me of the Gamergate days when people orbited Nick Fuentes and Ethan Ralph.

>>713453178
look, i dont give a fuck about GAAS dying. But I'm glad this issue served to expose some frauds out there like PirateSoftware

>>713450552 (OP)
>We

>>713466302
there is no reason they would do that voluntarily. if any such regulation came to pass, there would be a grace period built into it so that no project would be surprised with it. they would simply be the last projects to not be subject to the rule.

ESRB has no relevance to the issue

>>713467659
is this ai?

>>713467464
Ad-Hominem. Maybe this Ross guy should just let his argument stand for him instead of badmouthing others? What happened to intelligent discourse? I guess it's only possible when both parties are intelligent enough to shower, LOL!

>>713467528
"Pipedream"? The petition achieved half a million signatures. It was never a "pipedream" even though there is a argument to be had that the initiative could've been organised way, way better. This has nothing in common with Gamergate at all. Gamergate was naïve and idealistic and never had any concrete goals other than vague ideas about freedom. This was always about taking concrete action about a real problem that exists because of lack of legal regulation.

I'm not even sure why I'm replying so seriously to a bait post. It is what it is.

>>713465701
Ross deserves to be slapped across the face because this argument was born out the wrongful idea that the EU is not composed of a petty parliament composed of embarrassing old people.
The true reason why the went after Apple for their chargers is because it directly affected THEM, same with email spam and other stuff. It had nothing to do with the commoners, they elite simply thought those minor grievances were too annoying to them.

>>713467821
You started with the fallacies by misrepresenting everything and lying though.

>>713450552 (OP)
i get it for always-online singleplayer games, but how would this even work for online multiplayer games? you make an online multiplayer game, and you're required by law to keep the servers on life support on your own dime forever?

>>713467404
The swamp monster obviously. "certified geniuses" in modern day are dumber than the average american.
When you're scraping below the burger-people there's a Serious problem.

>>713450861
Practically everything on /v/ is inorganic. There's a group, or an autistic person, or a bot, I don't know... who enters almost every thread, regardless of the subject, and immediately posts the kind of thing that will generate the most discord in their view.
The idea isn't just trolling. In my opinion, the idea is to derail all threads to make any discussion impossible and useless. Without any viable discussion, users will move away from 4chan, and that is the ultimate goal of these activists.

>>713451509
Yeah. Unfortunately I can't appeal to the corporations so I'm going to appeal to the next highest power available to me.
That's the point of a democratic government. To represent the people. Don't tell me you've never appealed to your government before

>>713467979
Funny how this consistently happens when "trolling outside /b/" is an offense in every blue board.
JANNIES DO YOUR DAMNED JOBS!

>>713467898
>but how would this even work for online multiplayer games?
Set up your own servers. That's it. It simply and reasonably passes on the cost to the consumer. There are no unreasonable expectations of studios to keep a server going forever, the only expectation is a concrete end of life plan to online only software.

>>713465391
>wanting to actually own property
>communism
Not sure if bait or retarded

>>713468110
>person begging EU bureaucrats for more pointless regulations wants jannies to delete posts that he disagrees with
Not surprising in the least

>>713458171
Nobody likes their preferred games shutting down thoughever

>>713468110
That rule is seldom enforced. And seldom will be. I've been saying this forever, but 4chan is a dysfunctional forum on purposes, some boards more so than others.

>>713466967
I mean I don't disagree that businesses are going to take a hit on it. It would probably even prevent smaller developers from making those kinds of games in the first place (although smaller developers, if they don't license middleware, have a lot more free reign to just release server binaries and tell the community to handle the rest).
I think the biggest effect would be future gacha games not being released in the EU entirely.

That said, I don't think it would affect large publishers very much at least in the short term. They have the resources to license middleware or replace it with inhouse code, or circumvent it by "selling" their games as a yearly subscription with a "major update" every year.
In the long run it might reduce their income because videogames (aside from live service ones) are evergreen so they would have to compete against more and more games on the market.

Regardless the important part is that if a consumer pays for a product, they should have the right to use that product without EULAs or ToSs that can suddenly take away their ability to use said product for any or even no reason.

>>713467979
That's been the goal for 11 years now?
And yet old faggots like me keep showing up like fungus.
Or like a Zombie from Night of the Living Dead.
4chin Janny tranny XP lit like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob8vZhSjES8

>>713467889
>The petition achieved half a million signatures
I could make a video on minecraft theory and bullshit my way to a million views, dumbshit.

>This was always about taking concrete action about a real problem that exists because of lack of legal regulation.
>CONCRETE ACTION
You stupid fuck, thanks for the laugh.
Again, you are too retarded too comprehend.
Seriously are you even old enough to be here?

Hint: The stupid proposal violates a couple laws on digital information and privacy for starters.
Ross hired lawyers for this, I do not know he hired but he has been taken for a ride.
This shit has zero chance of sticking.

Also I am done being nice to you fucko, choke on Ross dick and die already.

>>713468242
>The guy who wants corpos to have free reign with anti-consumer practices is also in favor of letting spam kill threads
Not surprising in the least

>>713468238
Its retarded bait. i will never understand people who act like retards for (you)s. It couldnt matter any less, at best thread is archived and you can point to it to your 1 friend who also uses 4chan and say "that was me LOL". That is about as interesting an achievement as watching a puddle evaporate.

>>713468110
>"government daddy save me" guy now went "janny save me"
If you don't like such games then don't buy them. If you don't like it here, hit alt-f4. It is literally that easy

>>713467404
Is this "certified genius" of yours really a genius? Because I'm extraordinarily dumb and even I can understand the way in which he is maliciously misinterpreting the initiative. And I'm really, really dumb. Crayon eating dumb.

>I want to own the shit I paid money for
>This makes me a communist now

>>713468337
We use to be better than this, A Lot better than this. 4chan used to be able to come together and affect real world change.
We fucking fought ISIS for gods sake!
Why are so many anons so apathetic about letting the site slowly drown in it's own excrement?

>>713450552 (OP)
Gacha games it is

>>713468406
You are not a serious person, anon. And I'm not sure how or why this kind of insincerity doesn't wound you. I won't waste my time.

>>713468406
>choke on Ross dick and die already
Funny coming from a guy with a mouth full of corporate cock

>>713468587
You can't own a service.

What's stopping me from making a game, selling it on steam, then disabling it after a month after everyone's already given me money?

>>713468635
I'm not apathetic. I try to be a good poster and to engage with anons with the reciprocating respect. I've stopped reporting a long time ago because it does nothing at all. And I'm not someone who believes in online activism, especially not of the anonymous variety, what I really want is just a place to talk about anime without having to see wojaks, a place to talk politics that isn't being consistently bombarded with the vilest shit, a place to discuss vidya that isn't just a dumping place for online schizophrenics, etc. It's all so tiresome.

>>713467721
Ubisoft voluntarily adding offline mode to The Crew 2 looks like an attempt to avoid such an backlash in the future. So they're already doing it.

>>713468635
Let me disillusion you for the final time, but the first time.

4chan never made any real big changes that wasn't already permissible. You didn't fight ISIS. You aided in "fighting" ISIS. You were aid for powers that allowed you to fight, and now that allowance has been revoked. This is what revocation looks like. You didn't affect any real change that wasn't already in the works. Fiat Accompli. These things were already decided and you were used to achieve these things. You are used right now to achieve other things as well, and you will lose everything you fought for.

This isn't a blackpill. This is the truth. You never elected or even help elect Trump nor damaged Scientology in any meaningful way on your own. You were assisted by entities beyond your view as you do not have access to the root database this website's administration does. The causes you cling to were nudged and guided. Your hubris made you think otherwise, and that was the masterstroke of ((their)) genius.

Why doesn't Ross raise these initiatives in NA? I'm sitting with a thumb in my ass just waiting for him to open petitions here.

>>713468928
A class action lawsuits. These things are about expectations of consumers. Ubisoft can perhaps sell "users should not expect an online only game will be working after a decade" in court but not for a game that is a month old

>>713468928
You figure it out.

>>713469095
He escaped na for tax evasion and can't come back

There's no such thing as more government control when restricting corporations. Any relevant corporation either owns the government, or is government owned. They're effectively a branch of government

>>713468928
Nothing? But why would you?

>>713469095
If a game says in the ToS or whatever "we can shut down whenever we want, lmao fuck you" that's fully legal in America and we can't do shit about it, EU has no confirmed stance around it since they have barely any specific laws in general being a weird hybrid of just a losse alliance and an actual country so his only chance was to get that shit through a legal loophole over there.

>>713469334
Maybe in soviet russia comrade, your communist tricks won't work here in the land of the freedom (and EU)

>>713451509
Because it's clear this is a wide industrial problem that no big corporate entity is willing to entertain, not because of malice or ignorance, but because it's asking them to do something that is not a net gain for the company. It operates on good vibes. Pic is the best example of a live service game that actually made an end-of-life plan that is closest to what Ross is asking. It's a shitty mess with no online but you can still play it with everything unlocked.

>>713468238
>>713468465
Communism does not preclude personal property, it precludes private property.
That's the entire goal of communism. Maximizing personal property by abolishing private property.

God, you fart-huffing midwits are the worst. Fortunately, you can't hide your retardation or ignorance behind a guise of bait.

>>713469095
Because you exist to serve corporate interests. Americans are the most cucked of any people on earth. Including hunter gatherers in botswana with flies eating their toes.

>>713469380
>>713469327
>>713469507
He didn't even try to see how many petition signatures he can get. US is also the home of the biggest gaming population there is.

>>713450552 (OP)
>give players...le server tools xd
Absolute retard

>>713468373
In the short term no. Nothing would seemingly change. But corporations think 6, 12, 24 months ahead. They are already making predictions, forecasts, and setting goals. And if the ambient today is shaping forecasts to be depressed, they will have to make adjustments that will cause consumer markets (you and me) to adjust accordingly. That's it - that's how it goes.
As for live service? I never liked them, I never supported online features unless they are on PC, but I think online gaming features were always the bane of an otherwise healthy industry.
When you introduce networking capabilities in video game software, I say, package the server software always and if you can't, then offer some LAN solution that ties hardware and software (top-box console cases) or screen share (Goldeneye as an example).
> middleware licensing etc
That is one of many solutions they can do but, again, the point is that if there is a potential forecasted loss at some point on their end, they will make the decision at some point to quit or focus on another business that can provide the same revenue as before or mulitply revenue sources to make up former single source at the former rates.
As for EULA/ToS - legally it has always been the case that if you (at least in U.S.) you don't own the software you buy because you bought only the license to operate it but you don't actually, legally, own it. You own it, sure, practically you have it and the EULA/ToS can be argued to not be enforceable - also true - but I have to tell you that the be biggest reason that online and online multiplayer was sold in the past was to assert a normalization to then have the total control of their software that they couldn't enforce in the past.

So what was he trying to accomplish?
So that i could host a game of concord whenever in a private server whenever i felt like it?

>>713462040
>not even the developers keep their source code
Talking out of your ass.

>>713468885
So you support games as a service aka you will own nothing and be happy?

>>713469772
It's not even that. It's so you can just boot up Concord and play it in any shape or form. Online not even necessary. You'd just be playing it with bots.

>>713469896
Makes sense for games with singleplayer elements
But then again you can just pirate that shit 99.9% of the time

>>713468667
>Stop buying gacha pulls
>Game stop being profitable, goes offline
>Company now has to give me the tools to run a private server
>Add myself infinite money to get all the waifus

>>713469876
Yeah

>>713470159
You want to pirate Concord?

>>713470184
You sound pretty communist anon

>>713464639
Ironic dicksucking is still dicksucking

>>713469441
t. Land of the lobby

>>713469583
Names on a paper in the us is as powerful as shit on my toilet paper. EU has a path for those names to mean something. Again, you exist to serve these companies. not the other way around.

>>713469896
It is not clear what "playable state" would be which is a main concern in this initiative. I would say hitting bots don't count as "playable state" for example. While a game company could claim hitting stationary target practice is a playable state.

Imo the initiative was too vague for its own good. And also when Ross excluded console servers and games like mmos from it I was very disappointed.

>>713469724
You know what? Good. The industry has been decaying for a long time. Less GAAS dependant studios in the mix is only a good thing

>>713470360
How delusional do you have to be to think the EU population has a say in anything?

>>713469482
>not letting corporations steal back what they've sold you is communism
The fact that people unironically defend corporations is extremely sad

>>713469583
Under current law, any despites about software licenses would go to to the UCC court, which would just appeal to the TOS, which says you are fucked and they can disable your game whenever.

An act of congress / new legislation would be necessary, which Ross views as nonviable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD,_Inc._v._Zeidenberg

>>713470360
Again, the point is he never tried.

>>713470415
That is by definition a playable state since that's what games used to do with nonfunctional multiplayer in online multiplayer games. It just gets populated with bots with all the paypig shit unlocked. It doesn't even have to run smoothly or optimally either (prone to stuttering and crashes) but that's literally playable.

>>713470167
You've never played a gacha that went under with everything just unlocked? It gets boring pretty fast.

>>713470481
islamophobic chud

>>713470468
Of course, as an old faggot, I have never trusted this idea of top-box consoles getting internet capabilities. I remember the SEGA channel and for me, the mentality I had as a kid in the 1990s who was with single mother who didn't make much money, that it was a bargain to have access to all these games through a Cable Company subscription. But when I was explained the upfront costs of the whole thing plus the fact that the games are not really going to be always there for me - and the channel shutdown eventually by the way - I came away suspicious of anything online.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC6GgR6wJv4
I hope this reminds me people of MICROSOFT GAMEPASS because the Sega Channel model is a direct business model of which Gamepass is based off of. Instead of Cable you have high-speed internet (DSL, Cable, Fiber).

>>713470254
More like free market. Those games don't harm anyone so there's no need to overregulate something because you can't make smart decisions as a consumer.

>>713470486
You can't own a service.

>>713470627
He also never asked cats and dogs to bark at american senators because it doesnt matter and wouldnt have any impact.

>>713451509
>governments are only there to fuck you over
>so bend the fuck over and never try to change anything
this is the most jewish thing i've heard today

>>713469583
What the fuck are you on about? He couldn't get signatures for the US because there's literally no avenue for him to do so. The US has already determined that getting assfucked by EULA's is 100% legal and there's nothing you can do about it, hence why he turned to the EU since it actually believes in consumer rights.
Try watching even a SINGLE ONE OF HIS FUCKING VIDEOS YOU ILLITERATE FUCKS

>>713471016
Let customers run their own service
Tons of MMOs have proven people can run servers themselves

>>713471528
Sure thing. Start coding.

>>713471393
>just watch hours of some unkempt retard shilling a campaign for more government regulation that failed miserably
lol no I have a job

Good.
Anybody who buys GaaS deserves to have EVERYTHING taken from them. If people didn't support these awful practices in the first place this wouldn't even be an issue.
Maybe getting fucked over and over and over by studios will cause some of these people to stop consuming GaaS crap and even if that's not the case at least they will suffer which is good enough for me

>>713464803
>1 thread every other week except right now because a video happened
>most of the threads are by people hating on it
Yeah gee bill we need more deltarune and ai slop threads, make room for those
can't wait for the next smash so half the board will be IS HE IN? POST YOUR PICKS!!

>>713450861
>It was shills from those faggot corporations
Colour me surprised
Ofc it was all fake and gay

>>713471649
and yet you somehow have hours to shitpost on /v/ all day
curious..........

i wish for all american corpo cocksuckers to die the most gruesome and painful death possible

>>713453979
have you considered not buying GaaS crap?
>i want devs to fuck me without lube
What you are doing is effectively dropping your pants and spreading your ass cheeks while crying for the government to stop the bad man from ramming his cock in
also it's mostly publishers doing it not devs

>>713471393
Sorry, I wont. My stomach can't handle looking at his embarrassing hairline or silly lips more than 5 seconds.

>>713471725
At least Smash is related to gaming and isn't a disguised general like Deltarune or just dubiously "on-topic" threads like AI slop.

>The countries that passed the vote threshold are also the whitest countries
Curious.

Oh so now that the initiative is over the threads don't get deleted. Amazing

>>713471849
Because he secretly enjoys it. And he enjoys complaining about it.

That video created more reason to hate on that bitch that plays the blizzard games and his daddy got him a nice job as a code monkey back in the glory days so overall happy with the results

>>713453178
I don't want the government in my video games. Simple as.

>>713471961
slavshits and irish are not white

>>713472010
you lost

>>713471849
OR I could have the GAAS crap turned into actual products and have more games over all

Has Ross tried not shrieking in the mic all the time. His videos might actually be watchable.

>>713472017
Yet you play Metal Gear Solid. Curious

>>713471961
>Poland
>White
lol, it is half gypsies half slav

>>713450552 (OP)
Time to start playing gacha games

>>713472082
>I could have the GAAS crap turned into actual products
STOP BUYING CRAP AND THEY WILL STOP MAKING CRAP FOR YOU TO BUY!
You are quite literally the reason this is an issue in the first place.

>>713468406
>million views
>million signatures
How old are you? Do you actually wholeheartedly believe that view on a slop site is equal to a digital signature?
/v/ is one of the worst place on 4chan right now

>>713472156
It is just how his voice is. He sounds like he is still in puberty. Very hard to take him seriously with that voice and hair desu

>>713472156
This. He's so fucking ugly and offputting if I could vote against his faggotry, I would.

>>713450552 (OP)
>We lost.
We did not lose. I switched to GOG. Unlike some people i put my money where my mouth is.

>>713471840
I wish you nothing but the best my friend.

>>713472269
We're talking about Ross, not Thor

>>713472080
>gets kicked out of blizz
>gets kicked out of only fangs
>gets kicked around in the video since he made a whole point on his head about what the movement was about about since he has the reading comprehension of a toddler.
Thor loss haha

>>713471840
This but unironically.

>>713464639
He's a nepobaby milking Patreon donations with a game that has been years in development.
>FOR FREE
LMAO yeah, it's not like streams make anyone any money or give the streamers stuff publicity

And furthermore, never again use the word genius leave your proverbial, cock-sucking mouth to describe the absolute nobody you idolize. What has he done? Nothing. Not a single thing.
The word is reserved for people like Leibnitz and Newton and it makes me sick having to even imagine some cretin elevated to such level even if it's only in the stunted mind of a retard like you.

>>713472159
I don't want government intervention in video games. You fuckers don't know the evil you're inviting in if you thought corpos were bad enough.

>>713472413
>still making millions every month from his shitty videos
>doesn't even know you exist
>you spend hours of your day thinking about him
you lost

>>713472192
I don't buy the crap, they still make the crap. I know what you're going to respond with but don't bother, I'm only countering your argument that they'll stop making the crap.
In any case I prefer an industry where the crap makers are slaves to the government. My message to them would be stop making crap, and they will stop forcing you to "run dead servers on their own dime"

>>713472413
that interview he did with dr jeet was funny

>>713462630
That's more the issue of wage stagnation. The games should cost more but people aren't making enough money to afford anything so it's a spit in the face to raise prices with massive increases in everything while everyone can afford less and less. Not entitled just hopelessness

>>713472564
How did that go? I kinda can't stand watching that jeet even if he has some decent content here and there.

>>713468667
Until it goes EoS, then all your pngs and live2d girls are gone forever. Or on a shitty gallery at best.

>>713472484
>implying a petition gives the government any more authority than they already have
You're a stupid one, or you bought into the narratives sold by big businesses for centuries

>>713453178
I read all this thread and you are 100% right. He had 2 flaws.
Ugly and naive.
If he used anime avatar and voice changer he would reach goal in a month
If he wouldn't believe in people he didn't start the whole thing year ago.

>>713472686
general gist was that poovinder called him out on being a narcissist and you could visibly see figtree get super uncomfortable

>>713472686
https://arazu.io/t3_1kd87uh/

>>713472484
What he wanted is just remove corpo ability to shut down servers of unsupported online only games
It was the most important point for me.
Sadly 21st century is an age of corporations

>>713472390
Pretty much this. Every other system is GaaS on a certain level, even the ever beloved Steam. If I buy something I wanna own it.
Also it helps I was a consolefag for over a decade, so there's a lot of 2-3 bucks retro stuff I could just get and run on any toaster.

>>713472558
>I don't buy the crap, they still make the crap.
So the entire issue doesn't affect you. In fact this only hurts morons.
There are ZERO worthwhile GaaS games in the market. This number will never increase because GaaS games aren't interested in delivering a good product they are interested in delivering the minimum viable product that can extract money from morons.
You self admittedly want this to become a thing because you want to hurt companies doing this, something I don't even disagree by the way, I want this to fail because I want to see the morons, who created this market in the first place, to continue suffering.
We have the same goals just different targets but I would be willing to support a change that would cause both companies and cooomsumers to suffer if you are offering one.

>>713472598
I'm going to just say this once here on this thread (I'll repeat it in another thread if I see this kind of posting again): Video Games are a middle to upper-middle class luxury and past time.
Alright? I remember as a kid long ago, 30 years ago, where the only reason I went with SEGA was only because it was cheaper. That's it. I have friends that have gone with Playstation because it was cheaper - but had those systems (Genesis or Playstation 1) ever been at the prices typically asked as that in the past in the late 1980s and early 1990s? No chance that we'd have parents buy us those systems. And before you dismiss inflation, know that the buying power of the dollar was way more than today but people were paid less than $5.00/hour for minimum wage. So it was always relative in terms of earning and buying power ( and that's global, for you Europeans out there, ask how German (W. German) marks, French Francs, Spanish Pesetas (pussy dollars) faired before the Euro as far as min wage pay and buying power). So if you want that NSW2, you have to hustle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KB2xignE6c

>>713453178
>shills and bots
>people that don't want their government touching their games
>people farming easy (you)s
Pick your poison

>>713451509
>corporations: I NEED the government to step over and keep my IP
Why?

>>713472484
Why? Where does the slippery slope slide to?
They'll ban things they find objectionable? They already do that. They'll monitor your online activity? They already do that. They'll restrict you from online platforms for dissident speech? The service providers already do that on their own.
Give me a future scenario that's plausible

Buy all your games on GOG. If we all start buying all out games on GOG we will effectively kill GaaS/Denuvp and always online games. It is that simple. Buy your games on GOG.
/thread

>>713473101
>So the entire issue doesn't affect you
And there it is. You just couldn't help yourself. You remember your argument? Of course you don't because you never believed it in the first place. Not even gonna read the rest of your post you disingenuous dense motherfucker

>>713473637
Because they put in the time, money, and effort to create it.

>Ubisoft: I consent
>The players: I consent
>Moldman: I don't

>>713473708
NTA, sure that shit happens, but why make it even easier for them?
You still have some stuff you like and offends whatever government you're under
You can still try region-blocked online platforms even if originally negated by some doing some "tricks"
Also I feel bad for the poor fuck assigned to check my online activity, at least my taxes will pay his therapist

>>713474098
SKGckolds...

>>713473637
It's their property.

>>713474196
Easier how?

>>713451121
it was a dogshit game, but that doesnt mean it should be eradicated forever. at least if it was still around itd be a shining star of what a fuckup looks like

>regulation bad.
TOTAL
LIBERTARIAN
DEATH.

>>713474062
>>713474281
So corpos can rely on government and it's fine. But when consumers ask to protect them it's "much guberment overreach! Why are you inviting guberment?!"
Kinda one way street, ain't it?

>>713474461
>we should preserve all trash so people can learn what trash is
How about no? Obsession with the past is what got us into this mess. If anything, it needs to be burned and forgotten from all memory.

>>713450552 (OP)
>You MUST allow me either full access to your IP OR indefinitely pay for the servers, it's MINE

>>713474662
>corpos
*corporations
>consumers
*conmos

>>713474290
Another path to access. Even the government has some restrictions to access some of your info or activities because of whatever rule your local/national constitution has.
Opening them a new door will allow them do more damage.
Think it as a thief and house protection. Locks are only deterrents, they can be picked with the right tools and time. But the sturdier your lock is, the most likely you or your neighbors will notice, make noise about it, and make it impossible or harder for the thief to get in and out without getting hurt.
Governments depend on reputation, being the party that did "THAT THING" will scar them forever (or at least in the next elections)

>>713474679
The Room is a dogshit movie that people love to watch and shit on. if you got rid of it, the memory would die and the memes with it. why would you want less things to shit on?

>>713474098
Even if SKG fails it made Ubi shit their diapers enough to make the Crew 2 playable offline.

>>713474662
>protect me from people stealing my property
is not the same as
>protect me from making stupid decisions

>>713474812
The Crew 2 devs supported the initiative.

>>713474679
>Me: I consent
>My memory: I consent
>Some random anonymous fuckwit: I don't
I guess I'll stop remembering things then

>>713474812
allegedly, at least. ross mentioned they havent actually done it yet

>>713462040
Then why do I have so much better consumer protections than you?

>>713474871
Having the product you've paid for be stolen from you is bad decision?

>>713474792
What door? I'm just asking for a logical chain of events, not a vague endpoint or a metaphor. AT LEAST explain what authority they gain from this initiative.

4chan supports SKG

>>713450552 (OP)
>It's O-AAAAAAAAAACCCCKKK
Good, that's one attention manwhore down. Who the fuck cares about his campaign bullshit? He's not a fucking video game. STOP SHILLING UGLY HAIRY FUCKS LIKE HIM, /v/!

>>713475110
You can't own a service.

>>713474679
Do you think corpos being able to constantly release essentially the same thing while disabling the older version would be good for any industry?

>>713474946
If they weren't going to do it I don't think they would've made an official announcement of it with a promise of a rollout before of the end of 2025.

>>713475470
Program code is not a service

Why does /v/ long for permanent corporate control over the medium they claim to love?

>>713475715
for starters all games are made by corporations

>>713475715
But /v/ supports Stop Killing Games, it's just that Ross only counts EUfags when most users here are from NA.

>>713475628
It is.

>>713475781
>most users here are from NA.
India and South East Asia*

>>713475715
There are unironic corporate shills on /v/. They are the same people who are against people switching to GOG. Nothing will make corporate faggots more mad than people moving to GOG.

>>713475470
>sell a product
>call it a service so you can fuck over the person who buys it at a later date

>>713475832
Those are just the shitposters.

>>713475807
Now you are being a retard on purpose

>>713475139
I just told you it was easier because that'd open them a possibility to bypass whatever law is keeping them away from getting closer to total control. Believe or not you still have a degree or freedom.
The metaphor was there to help, not to make you feel unconfortable.

>>713475715
>strawman argument

>>713475470
And games shouldn't be made to be disposed of when they could potentially cut into your profits.
A service needs to have a defined end that isn't "when it's convenient for the service provider to end it" or it's bullshit.

>>713476006
Not a strawman, you bugbrained hiveminded amoeba.

>>713475832
>SEA
Never take anything you read on SEA hours serious anon, they were born in shit and shit they post.

>>713450552 (OP)
>>713460961
TWO threads died for this ugly bastard? /v/ truly is fucking gay

>>713475996
>whatever law
Whatever law do you mean? If you're just going to keep going with the vague endpoints don't even bother.

>>713475996
The metaphor is there because you dob't have anything concrete

>>713474662
You are so incredibly naive that I hope you're just young and not some brain damaged nigger.
Inviting the government is not preferable, the government is inherently corrupt and is already owned by corpos or looking to get in on the pie there.
What do you think is the first thing they will do once they have free reign to step in? I guarantee you it won't be whatever you think that will help consumers. It will either be they immediately side with the corpos because of the lucrative value from it or they will take charge and become an even worse threat.

>>713476181
I can't point what law exactly because it depends on the country you're from dummy. I'm not gonna read for you.
Stop moving those goalpost friend. I'm having fun, but this is getting silly.

>>713475992
Your opinion is noted.

>>713471984
>Oh so now that the initiative is over the threads don't get deleted. Amazing
You know it.
Same with every other forum.

>>713474662
>governments are corrupt and always side with corporations
>therefore we need more government in games
?

>>713476078
>Not a strawman
Yeah it was.

>>713476285
My goalpost is a logical chain of events and that has not changed. I don't care which country's laws you reference. Use your own since you're so worried about the consequences

>>713462616
alternate theory: people are retarded shallow short-sighted and superficial

>>713476021
Best you'll ever get is larger more bold fonted text on boxart stating the game could expire.

>>713476134
This is not spam, this is quality control.

>>713453178
It's just newfags, shills, baiters, and ignorant contrarians. What's been proposed is only beneficial to actual gamers

>>713450552 (OP)
Reminder that anyone who's against SKG are a pedophile corpo shill that will start spamming cp to get the thread nuked when they inevitably lose the argument

There is no way that even /v/ is stupid enough to think shills are being hired to disagree with SKG AFTER it already failed. Stop arguing so dishonestly.

>>713476552
This, people will always cut their own nose off to spite others and when the same thing happens to them they go "How could this happen to me?"

NO TRANS RIGHTS BEFORE GAMER RIGHTS

>>713476220
For all your talk you can't give a single concrete unwelcome outcome from the initiative getting reviewed.
You think the system is rotten to the core but you still think the bad actors somehow are held back by the system?

>>713450552 (OP)
I remember about a year and a half ago I was on here trying to explain that legislative and logistically what this dude was trying to get the government to do was simply impossible and all the replies I kept getting was calling me a bootlicker.

I bet those same posters are now feeling really confused and stupid.
No, the government is not going to provide data and server centers for the express purpose of keeping MMOs alive for the dozen or so autistic people who still want to play them. This was never going to happen and you're a fucking retard if you ever thought it was.
>But make the corporations do it
I will repeat myself for the hundredth time. It is not the corporations responsibility to endlessly publicly fund products that are no longer fiscally feasible, the ONLY entity that has that authority or responsibility is the government and of course they're not going to fucking do that because the VAST majority of people are not going to want to pay taxes for it.

Either way, get fucked. Get absolutely and horrendously fucked everyday of your life and bitch about it on here more. No one gives a fuck about your stupid shitty games other than you.

>>713476769
The corporations have got shills all year around. And their mission isn't to push or to disagree with singular topics like the SKG initiative or anything.
It's people on payroll with the mission to promote the corporation broadly. Like generally so. Throughout the year every year.

>>713476842
>No, the government is not going to provide data and server centers for the express purpose of keeping MMOs alive for the dozen or so autistic people who still want to play them
>endlessly publicly fund products that are no longer fiscally feasible
You are arguing against a boogeyman that exists in your head, anon. None of this is part of the initiative.

>>713476220
You are the one being naive
They already stepped in
And they don't need your invitation to step in
In fact it's in your interest to sway government to your cause, to protect consumers because government is already sided with corpos and protect them
Mostly because corporations can and do petition government to make laws. As singular entities comprised of thousand of people and having a lot of money
Consumers on the other hand have no such sway, no access to such money, connections etc
In essence: government is already working with corpos against you. It is your duty as a citizen to change the course that government has taken on this issue.
Your inaction only helps corporations to solidify their control. Your libertarian fantasies would be more real if there was a level playing field. But it's not. Government protects corporations. It doesn't protect consumers. You cannot affect corporations, but you can affect government.

>>713476842
I like you

>>713476842
You talked out of your ass about something no one said? Congrats, you should get a medal. The only confused and stupid person here is you.

>>713457201
How many units has the Switch 2 moved again, anon?

>>713451509
How is the government forcing companies to have community servers for their online games bad exactly?
Hard Mode: Don’t cry about muh government doing thing, you have to explain why it’s actually bad.

>>713475774
>>713476445
You are a child.

>>713476592
No, it would have to state in clear terms when the service ends and that's poison to sales. What you said is what they're currently doing and it's hidden in the EULA.

It could be the end result of the initiative but not what it seeks to change.

>>713463593
>says this because the government provides enough stability for the internet to exist
any more smart posts tranny? you are a corporate drone and a cuck
without the government your "right" to own would be meaningless. you are dumb and you can't defend yourself KYS retard holy shit I bet you don't even have a gun

>>713476969
>>713477042
Your campaign is dead because none of you faggots are intelligent enough to realize that even if you got past the legislative process you would still need to economically fund this.

Re-draft a new bill, I'm sure it'll be shot down in another decade when it comes back up, assuming you all haven't died from a heart attack due to overstress caused by your retardation by that point.

>>713477114
>How is the government forcing companies to have community servers
NOBODY IS ASKING FOR THIS

>>713477116
No I'm an adult with a job which is why I didn't support SKG

>>713468110
>>713468337
sorry, abib is too busy deleting threads with actual discussion for games he doesn't like, rapeape is too busy sowing /pol/ ragebait threads, and yournamehere is too busy ERPing in the IRC
you can't have a good board when the moderation is absolute nigger aids that should have bricks thrown through their windows
watch this post get deleted for actually naming them

>>713476842
>No, the government is not going to provide data and server centers for the express purpose of keeping MMOs alive for the dozen or so autistic people who still want to play them.
That was not the point of the movement. It was to ensure that FUTURE online games at least have dedicated server tools to let players continue running the game out of their own pocket.
Imagine typing a wall of text only for you to be wrong. These threads bring out the biggest fucking retards on the board, I swear.

>>713477275
I’m asking for this.

>>713477264
>Re-draft a new bill
Thank you for proving that you aren't worth replying to anon.

>>713477275
It's a hypothetical. Hypothetically, if that were the outcome, why would it be a bad thing?

>>713474690
>Harder corpo! Fuck your little cattle till we DIE

>>713477317
Your campaign is dead. Try again in another 10 years. I'm sure it'll work next time.

>>713477385
Tax increases you dumb fuck

I'm libertarian and even I see this as a benefit to the people who actually collect and want to play games ad astra. Most libertarians are not anti-statists, they are minarchists and this allows for some government overreach if there is a industry-wide problem the citizens cannot fix themselves short of mass killings.

>>713477264
The initiative was so that people could host their own servers, retard

EUssrabians..

>>713477264
Are you actually such a cretin that you think people are asking for the government to subsidize servers for live service games? No one is asking for that you fucktard.

>>713477370
>>713477481
And you lost, try again in 10 years.

>>713477451
How do you get from corporate expenses to tax increases?

You're angry.

>>713477264
I could host a private server for a korean f2p for cheap
You are retarded. KYS

>>713477264
>you would still need to economically fund this.
Nigga all game developers have to do is make it so the community can host the servers on their own. No one is asking companies to host the servers themselves forever, just let the community have the tools to host their own servers.

>>713477414
>>713477530
>revealed to be a retard
>falls back to shitflinging
Pottery.

>>713456857
>Launches the game
>Error 1: Cannot connect to server
>Cannot continue further or launch the game offline

>>713476842
>le MMOs
I see faggots in WoW threads daily shilling their personally hosted single player instances lmao.

Surely it just would have resulted in disclaimer text that says “online services may not function forever”

>>713477578
Then why don't you do it right now? Why do you need daddy government to help you?

>>713477579
You do not have the right to request private information and property just because you want to continue having fun.
Holy shit you people have literally zero understanding how law works, no wonder you're all so impotently angry about this. You can't even spend 30 minutes of your life looking up the rights and responsibilities of governance, citizenship and corporations.

Lay it out for me then because I legitimately do not understand Thor's position on this matter and Ross says he is the biggest voice against it.

>>713477168
You can't predict success and failure, so that will never happen.

>>713477264
There's no bill you fucking moron, this is a citizen's initiative trying to point out a gray area in the existing laws allowing for corporate overreach.
Do you also not realize that the EU receives funds from its citizens for precisely this purpose? To legislate trade in the area?

>>713477579
>forced to give away their software for free and then support that software in perpetuity
Do you see the issue with this?

Looks like the thread is being autosaged. I guess you government bootlickers got one win today by crying to the jannies that people were making fun of your failed movement.

I've seen these threads for months and each thread lasted hours. It's all filled with the same responses, people calling them out, then those people getting called corporate shills.

But why? It's clearly obvious raiding and being a dick to any non SKG fan didn't work. Petition dead. What's the goal now, spam for the lols?

>>713477116
Then you're losing a debate to a child.

>>713477754
>Holy shit you people have literally zero understanding how law works
Same with you. US law is not EU law.

>>713477814
>Do you also not realize that the EU receives funds from its citizens for precisely this purpose?
Those are called taxes anon, btw though I'm sure you're not politically learned enough to understand this but taxation is theft and you shouldn't want that either but one step at a time.

>>713477886
The government shills will just keep making threads. They don't know when they've lost lmao

>>713477747
Given that GDPR was supposed to give people privacy and stop corpos stalking people instead resulted in dajooz putting "Give permission for us to stalk you and steal your shit or you CANT use our website!" instead?

Most likely so, yes.

>>713477869
>give away their software for free and then support that software in perpetuity
NOBODY IS ASKING FOR THIS EITHER

>>713477808
That's not a coherent post. Try again.

>>713477869
>for free
They took the customer's money. Nothing they do is for free

>>713477869
>give away their software
Okay, you're almost there anon...
>for free
You paid for the game anon. This proposal only applies to future releases.
>then support that software in perpetuity
Aaaaaaaaand you're a retard. Better luck next time.

>>713477991
No.

>>713477979
thats what the law would end up doing rossdrone

>>713477886
Bootlickers get the boot.

>>713477754
I don't need corrupt governments to host the game myself. I hosted pservers for a long time.
What I need glowies to do is to force corporations to legally provide ways for players to enjoy a game they purchased on a said date 35 or even 40 years into the future without me or others having to obtain the files illegally or through purposely complicated means. It shouldn't be difficult to have "rights to repair" also apply for videogames and software in general. There are literally no negatives for the consumer. If this causes problems for corpo cucks it's their fault, not mine or any consoomer dumb enough to buy these games.

You guys keep on calling us retarded for dunking on your stupid, room-temperature-IQ campaign but we're not the ones with a campaign that is dead in the water with no hope of revival for the next decade.

>>713477925
I'm learned enough to understand governments create stability and need money to run so taxes are justified.

Did you know you can now host private servers of this MMOFPS? psforever net

>>713478138
>/dbs/ shitter

>>713478098
Except that's not on the cards of what is being asked so they don't have to do it.

>>713478112
No wonder this shit didn't pass

>>713478098
In the time before you were born, multiplayer games included private server hosting software. Now go ask your dad if you ever had one what that means.

>>713478141
>Governments create stability
Unless they're foreign, ran by jews or they simply don't. lol

>>713478141
the countries should sure, EU doesn't deserve a penny and should be dismantled, the Euro banned and hard border walls between all former member states never allowed to co-operate again.

>>713450552 (OP)
It's just the beginning, we need 1 million signatures to FORCE the question into parliament, but the initiative has caused enough of a stir that the EU might still take it up anyway

the cogs are already in motion and corpos will get the rope

>>713478212
And they were removed due to the rampant piracy, security and outright degenerate behavior they promoted. We should be glad that they're no longer a thing.

>>713477925
>taxation is theft
Are you one of those "street lights should be turned off by default and to use them they have a coinbox you can use to activate them" kind of people?

>>713478112
>I want corporations to give me their information and property so that I can play their games 40+ years from now
>No I do not care about corporate IP laws, why should I?
You people are so fucking retarded, jesus christ. It's hilarious.

>>713478379
SOVL that would be so kino

>>713478138
>"I'm a fucking idiot but consider this unrelated fact while I make complete fool of myself by acting like one"
Just stop posting, Anon

>>713478379
Anon, that's literally still taxation.

>>713478357
Then it should be a problem for them to distribute server hosting software *after* when choose to stop supporting the product - they're not making more money on it either way.

>>713478432
>information and property
>IP laws
You are arguing against a position that does not exist. Please stop.

>>713478432
Retard.

>>713478517
SKG lost, RossDrone.

>>713478581
Nah he's right. Only issue with xer post was the tranime pic.

>>713478581
Hey, faggot. What does "IP" abbreviate into?

>>713478432
Tell me how IP laws benefit ME, the consumer who bought a product who has turned into a service for no apparent reason.

>>713477307
Some else needs to buy 4chan.
Hiromoot has been absolute aids to this site, hasn't updated the source code since buying, lets the absolute most retarded mods loose with zero oversight, and doesn't even bother to check on how the site is doing.

>>713450727
thats what you think
>You WILL own nothing and be HAPPY

>>713478701
Without IP laws, you wouldn't even have a game to play with to begin with. In fact you'd probably not even have a computer because the only computers that would be available are the ones the military and governments made.

>>713478432
>corporate IP laws
They won't be laws if the government decides they don't apply.
How exactly are IP laws relevant

>>713478714
The funny part is when the site code was leaked most of the updates were done by a single person for the past several years. Although Hiro actually did some contributions too

Guess what they were Ads

>>713478701
>>713478795
He nailed it. IP and capitalism is why you have games to play.

>>713478795
Oh okay you are that kind of retard
Wake me up when you understand how the economy (real) works. Grow up of your finance phase

>>713451509
>G-Gubberment BAD! Grrr! I no Like! Le "i am here 2 help hurr durr" meme! No Gubberment!
>someone: "Guns bad."
>NOOOOO!!!!! MUH 2nd Amendment! SAVE ME GUBBERMENT!!!!

>>713478795
Well good thing we're not going back in time to prevent IP laws from materializing before I have games

>>713478697
Anon what part of the initiative would require a company to sacrifice or jeopardize their IP?

>>713478226
The primary aim of a government is to create stability for the people inhabiting the area it governs. You can't refute this.

>>713478253
And how would you profit from that?

>>713478432
Uh yeah? Fuck corporations. this isnt what SKG was about but if i can fuck over some company instead then thats fine too. Why would you disagree with that?

>>713478990
Eurofags can be divided and scattered and irrelevant apart from eachother with seperate currencies and languages rather than larping as relevent with the eu, euros and english

this image makes retards extremely confused

>>713479117
But anon, a corporation made your favorite game. You wouldn't want your favorite game to be erased from the past would you?

>>713479221
>discords
>piracy stealing
rossdrones....

>>713479221
Holy shit anon you fucking stole all that intellectual property?!!1!

>>713479138
So it's an ego thing?

>>713479221
>what I am demanding the government step in and regulate already occurs at such a rate that I am boasting about it
Interesting. Looks like your outcome was already achieved, and thete is no problem.

>>713477295
You are a child.

>>713477893
That's my only post in the thread. I have no interest in debating with bad faith children. I just call it like I see it.

>>713478978
People who lean right are the ones that are supporting this because they're mostly coming form Asmongold's streams.

>>713479387
The EU? Yeah, it is. Eurotroons have unwarranted self importance.

>>713479495
Then let me know when you're ready to lose to a child in debate.

>>713479221
Can't believe you found some

>>713478957
Oh please, Mr./v/tard. Lecture me about your wisdoms on the economical world. I'm sure there are so many awe-inspiring insights that you have into it.

>>713479221
This is what peak gaming looks like.

>>713479486
Nice job moving the goalposts. Realistically though, anon's pic related is a drop in the bucket. It is "boasting" only insomuch as it proves that end-of-life support isn't a silver bullet that will heckin kill innocent devs.

>>713479528
>Asmongold
>Right

>>713479221
OH SHIT ALL THOSE STOLEN IPS

>>713478881
How much does this site cost to buy anyway? I wonder if it''d be possible to get a real admit.

>>713479714
I'm saying his audience mostly lean right when Asmon himself leans left. Ross himself even confesse that Asmon is the biggest pro voice in this campaign.

>>713479810
>Asmon himself leans left
hes far right you poltrooon

>>713479581
No, you completely misunderstood. I asked how you would profit from disunion and it seems it would serve to inflate your ego as a member of a competing tribe.

>>713479810
>his audience mostly lean right

>>713479906
fuck off euronazi you deserve to get annexed by russia or islam.

>>713479906
He's baiting you anon.

>>713480112
Hit the nail on the head, I see

Trans

>>713479634
Agree to disagree

This could've been a last hurrah of oldfags and newfags coming together to change the internet once again but everyone just spams NYPA like a retard when this is an objective good. What's better is that reddit is against it so it'd be like old time's sake.

>>713450552 (OP)
yeah, we are fighting a losing battle against live service and gachashit
that was what the protest was about, right?

>>713480458
It ends in a whimper, not a bang.

>>713480497
That's a big chunk but it's about all games.

>two digit iq hand rubbing merchants come up with new idea that would technically make a lot of money if people liked it, even despite the fact that nobody likes it, leading to the studio bombing, then layoffs
i don't certainly love how jews are ruining this entire industry.