Thread 713482212

You will be comfortable never owning a game again
Your games will stop working because they ended the server
Piracy won't work because you need some binary from a server
All because some furfag can't read

I did not sign your communist agenda

I watching a driveclub video on youtube thinking to myself it's crazy how I can play some looney tunes b-ball made for the snes made 30 years ago today but I can't play a game made 10 years ago

>>713482435
stop killing games is the ultimate enshrinement of private property. Devs wouldn't be able to obfuscate their sales of licenses disguised as goods

quite literally not my problem

>>713482526
You can't own a service.

>>713482212 (OP)
Not my problem.

Ukraine lost.

Consumers are niggerfaggots that won't vote in their interest because it would hurt "muh developers" when these companies rely on the government to enforce IP laws, laws that say that IDEAS should be treated BETTER than property owned by an individual.
Fuck this world.

>UK
lmao

>>713482212 (OP)
>PLEASE PRESERVE THE LIVE SERVICE GAMES!!!
no

>>713482592
Not yet

>>713482683
Forcing devs to have an end of life plan for their slop would've killed future live service games.

>Load up Quake
>Can make a server for friends and I to play on
>Load up Half Life
>Can make a server for friends and I to play on
>Load up Red Faction, a game whose source code was never ever published
>Can make a server for friends and I to play on

>Load up a modern game
>Can't be sure in years time I can make a server for friends and I to play on
Tell me why we lost the technology and skills for this.

>>713483074
Those games of the past were made for actual humans, modern slop is made for normalfag subhuman cattle. It's much more profitable to sell to literal retard paypig slaves.

>>713482637
The funny part about voting with your wallet is there is no difference between your opinions and being poor, so I can correctly and factually call you poor as a legitimate argument.

>>713482592
But you can own a product

>>713483030
That's just delusional wishful thinking.

the issue was partly just language barrier
the EU campaign was heavily anglo focused, english forums and english youtube, and the southern nations with fewer english speakers and with fewer heavy internet users werent mobilized compared to nordics which passed their individual treshold in half a year

>>713483213
You also can't. See: Steam

>>713483202
Nah I have money, I just waste it elsewhere.
But fundamentally, voting with your wallet is a shit system because people who decide to spend money can have infinite votes, while those who vote not to spend only have 1 vote.
Then it also runs into the democracy problem that the majority of people aren't smart.

>>713483279
Okay, then stop killing games and tell them that we own the games we buy.

>>713482212 (OP)
It failed despite pretty much every european who plays games signing it. The market is just that irrelevant.

>>713482532
The game was nothing special, but isn't The Crew, the game that started the initiative, unable to be cracked and pirated because Ubishit forced you to connect to a server to run their functionally singleplayer game?

>>713482212 (OP)
I've been mostly indifferent to this because I don't play games affected by it.
But it would be nice for other people if publishers wouldn't deliberately kill their games and then hire shills to come to /v/ pretending that Ross demands publishers support games at huge cost indefinitely even though he has said a trillion times that it would be better just to give players the tools to run their own servers which has been done before and therefore isn't impossible.

>>713483030
>Forcing devs to have an end of life plan for their slop would've killed future live service games.
but thats good?!
I should have signed it

>>713483257
What could've been done differently to overcome that barrier? Is there any pro-consumer tech advocates in Italy that could've been contacted with a translator for example?

>>713483343
See >>713482592

>>713482212 (OP)
>Piracy won't work because you need some binary
is this the cope you tell yourself because you can't use torrents?
lmao

>>713483418
>Marxism is consumer being able to own what they bought

>>713483419
If you're EU you still can, it hasn't ended yet.

>>713483523
*taps sign*
>>713482592

>STOP KILLING GAMES!
Sounds like a grift if you have to use emotional language like that.

>>713483447
a lot of money would've been required for an ad campaign
but if they dont care in the first place its hard to convince them even if they saw someone mention about it on their local forum

>>713483495
But you don't need the service, you only need the game.

>>713483550
But the title of his video is the end of stop killing games?

>>713482212 (OP)
What does his lower half look like? Robot spider legs perhaps?

>>713483279
At least Steam games have some of the weakest drm and you're free to download and run whatever if Valve vanishes tomorrow.

Valve can erase my whole library and I can still pirate and play tf2 on lan and private servers

>>713483574
The service is the server that handles online functionality. The game is the product that uses online functionality. If the server goes down, I should still be able to use the parts of the game that do not require the server.

>>713483635
hearty kek

>>713483646
Yeah steamworks is hilariously easy to crack and even then all you need is a .dll and goldberg.

>>713483630
I'm pretty sure it ends on the 31st, but I don't remember the timestamp for the definite dates

>>713483620
Then buy the IP from the property holder.

>>713482592
useful idiot.

>>713483630
https://youtu.be/HIfRLujXtUo?si=OtZhOuELrZtBuBgK&t=72
July 14 for UK
31st for EU

>>713483765
Why, when they could just let me play the game and keep the IP and continue to do what they want with it.

>>713483765
IP law is such fucking retardation. Why do corpos need protection for their ideas?

>>713483671
But you can still access the games title screen

>>713483074
The technology and skills haven’t been lost. Publishers don’t want to give up the keys to the castle, just in case.

>>713483879
What's the answer?

>>713483879
Because corpos are the biggest thieves game recognize game
just look at the AI corpos demanding it be locked down for everyone except them

>>713483879
Why does /v/ pretend to not understand why IP exists?

>>713483550
>>713483630
Pretty sure it's because Ross is losing his financial foothold and needs to take a break from his initiative or go homeless. The EU petition is still free to sign by the 31st, but 5000,000 signatures is hard to come by thanks to to figtree furfag telling people StopKillingGames is about preventing gamers from constantly buying new games

>>713483630
Ross is being a realist. You absolutely should go sign and also spread the word in whatever groups you are in but the initiative still lacks an amount of votes slightly larger than what it gathered during 10 months.

>>713483875
Why would they let you do that for free?

>>713483879
Copyright law in general is the among the most disgusting humiliation rituals Jews have ever invented.

For some reason books that require careful handling and maintenance are longer lasting than 1's and 0's that can be copied onto other hard drives.

>>713482212 (OP)
he spends 3 quarters of the video whining about the damage Pirate Software dealt to him.
His really seething here.

>>713483996
I understand why you would want to ensure you can make money from your work and not get stomped by someone with more resources BUT the current state of IP law is inherently anti-free market and anti-free exchange of ideas.

>>713482212 (OP)
we'll be to busy fighting iran anyway

>>713484067
Free? I bought the game, or spent upwards of hundreds on their in-game shop.

>>713484235
Then why can't you buy the IP?

it's kinda crazy how that Thor guy completely killed the momentum of Stop Killing Games with one single misconception that spread like wildfire

>>713482592
Except for when the corporation providing the service owns it and reserves its right to take it away from you, right? Lolmao even.

>>713484292
How is that similar at all? I don't need the IP to play while the servers are up, why would I need it to play while the servers are down?

>>713484305
I remembered having a fierce argument with a friend over it and he constantly said
>"But thor said-"
I wouldn't be so mad if it wasn't for the fact that he took everything as gospel, even the comment that ross is like a "used car salesman". That comment is the worst part.

>>713484305
Maldavius Figtree is both extremely retarded and narcissistic, meaning it's hard to tell if his actions were outright malicious or just pure retardation.

EuroGods stood up to government tyranny and won

>>713482435
>>713483418
It's the opposite you dingus. We want to own the games we pay for.

>>713484292
1. They won't sell. 2. If they do sell it's a absurd amount (They shut it down to force you to buy the demake sequal.)

>>713484305
He's a industry shill who literally got a big bag of advertiser cash to do it.

The same thread with the same dishonest posters purposely trying to slide the topic at hand

Talk about dead internet

>>713484305
>one single misconception
He made several videos and statements doubling and tripling down on it while telling Ross to fuck off when he offered to clarify any misconception. Thor is the epitome of industry shill intentionally spreading misinformation so his anal cavity can be stretched by Blizzard's fat cock.

>>713483996
In an ideal world where the economy isn't a scam run by bankers whose only motive is to make everyone literally poorer by the second IP should only be granted to individuals and run for about a decade or fifteen years before the property passes to be public domain in the spirit of cultural significance.
Of course that'd never happen though. Part of the idea of corporations is that they also prey on your necessity by literally taking everything away from you and ensuring you and your descendants be nothing more than serfs.

>>713484479
>*Funds dustborn*
>*Allows muzzies to enter their countries*
Yeah, anti-government tyranny, hahaha....

>>713484375
Because you need to own the IP to turn the servers back on

EuroCucks learnt their place and were too afraid to go against corporate

>>713484315
Then buy th>>713484586
e IP

>>713484628
I'm not turning the servers back on, the servers can stay off, I'll make my own locally so my friends can connect to it.

>>713484586
>>713482592

>>713483550
But I'm from Malaysia

>>713482212 (OP)
anon, are you lost? We don't play fucking games here
>>713484305
It's super easy to keep the status quo going if only a minority has an opinion against it. There is a lot more he could've done to fuck with the movement though

>>713482212 (OP)
He sounded pretty pissed in the video, which makes sense. He spent about a year working on the initiative, going out of his comfort zone to work with others to figure out the legal language, doing interview, etc. Only for none of it to matter in the end, since he had to meet a certain number requirement.

>>713482592
There's something called a perpetual license which you get for the software or video game, but you already knew that, didn't you?

>713483996
I am convinced /v/ is full of actual corpo shills and plants to inject defeatism and over irony to make sure /v/ doesn't disparage the industry. Old /v/ would help just to shake shit up good or bad, modern /v/ isn't GAR anymore they rather stagnate.

this might be a dumb question, but UK is not a part of the EU anymore, so their signatures don't count, right?

>>713484818
Don't forget he didn't want to be the figurehead, he wanted to be someone to get the ball rolling and for someone else to lead the charge, but he was forced to be the lead because no one else stepped up.

>>713484913
there's a separate UK initiative

>>713484912
>>713484607
I had a retard moment

>>713482212 (OP)
Gacha games won

>>713484913
He got enough to get looked at by UK gov but they gave a non-answer, might still be worth pushing your friends to spread the word until the end though.

>>713484818
>>713484950
He's done more than any of the corpo shills in this thread has. That's for sure. Like he said in his video, we will get answers one way or another. If we're fucked or there's hope.

>>713484912
When was the last time you heard of this place making headlines? The time is gone.

>>713482212 (OP)
I don’t play multiplayer games

>>713482212 (OP)
>waaah waaah you won't own your games
>all while you fags mostly play on steam and own NOTHING
WHY ARE YOU FAGS LIKE THIS?

>>713485101
So you're saying we want to own our games?

>>713482212 (OP)
>All because some furfag can't read
I am not gonna watch hour long youtube essay slop or try to find the right kiwi thread, can I get a qrd on who this furfag is and how he fucked up?

>>713484818
It's fine, he gave it his best shot, he will just make his usual vids now. I'm fine that when I'm 50 or whatever that video games will be a dead medium

>>713485170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoPZ783uWW8

>>713485170
PirateSoftware told a bunch of lies about the movement, like four or five videos worth.

>>713482212 (OP)
Nothing Ross ever said was ever unreasonable, just "please give fans the server code after your end of life shutdown so they can make private servers", but it's a little sad that it was doomed to go nowhere.
But also I'm not watching an hour long video on what a fuck up this has been because that sounds miserable.

>>713484912
Can you please fund the making of a fun video game for me? Also it's illegal if this game fails and will result in your financial ruin. Thanks I'll wait.

>>713485034
>"""swimsuit"""
>it's literally just a microdress

I love this slut like you can't even imagine.

>>713484593
schizo spotted!
ahem
"TAKE YOUR MEDS"

>>713485168
Not my fault you signed up to be cucked by steam.
>b-but muh heckin valverino
Not even Nintendo manchildren are this stupid lmao. They aren't supporting shitty game key cards and you guys are buying games daily that you don't own.

>>713485247
Most of the video is "Well if this is going to go down, I am going to have it go down with correct information, starting with refuting Pirate Software".

>>713485101
Alternate frontends are widely avalible, so unless Steam puts a Rootkit on your pc to wipe it, and your backups you can effectively run (non gas) stuff forever.

>>713484818
I think he's upset that people seem to be OK with the status quo, which admittedly does drive you crazy. It's weird and maddening that people just sort of get used to something that makes no damn sense and fight against positive change

>>713485307
Okay, why do you think it's your fault, we just want those games to keep being playable for everyone.

>>713485330
>starting with refuting Pirate Software
Oh. That guy exited the public zeitgeist in record time, I forgot he existed.

>>713485090
That was my point, the fire of this place is gone.

>>713485247
>just please forfeit your property, for free btw
Any of you ever try buying the IP or was getting shit for free the entire purpose?

>>713485539
You don't even know what IP is

>>713485170
Thor, PirateSoftware, aka stated furfag misrepresented and lied about StopKillingGames and used his large audience to push back against the initiative. As soon as his video against the movement was uploaded, (he posted multiple videos against it), signatures and momentum of the movement dried up. Said furfag cannot admit fault because he's a narcissist who's in too deep into his lie to turn back.

>>713482212 (OP)
Not my problem, he shouldn't have been a racict bigot chuddy.

>>713485572
Yeah I do.

>>713485037
They don't give a shit in the UK. You can get all the signatures in the World it doesn't matter because fundamentally the people who will debate in Parliament are dipshit lawyers and career politicians who are all self-serving arseholes completely bought and paid for no matter the political party. They don't care.

There are frequent petitions for other subjects that can get 1million+ signatures and they standard template responses as well.

>>713485539
You don't know what any of these words mean and you're just saying things.

>>713482212 (OP)
Activism and politics never fixes anything.

>>713485592
What did he say that was a lie?

Why would people go onto the internet and misrepresent a consumer movement?

>>713485713
He claimed that you suck cock on the regular, but there's nothing to refute that.

>>713485592
>because he's a narcissist who's in too deep into his lie to turn back
I don't think so. You don't publicly, aggressively misunderstand someone like that unless they're already your enemy. PS got his start at Blizzard, where his dad worked, and those are 100% his people. All the people that would lose money if the movement succeeds are his friends.

>>713485247
>>713485194
>>713484912
>>713484062
For those saying its a failure, its worth noting:
people within the European Comission were more than surprised that the Initiative got as many signatures as it did, because it had $0 budget. They were wanting to know he was doing to garner that support, because those numbers were exceptionally high for having no advertising budget.

Those people still think its possible to get the signatures. I still think it is too, but we need all cylinders firing, and maybe a small miracle or two.

>>713485592
How can one creator kill your momentum lmao. Like 1000s of videos didn't stop the switch 2 from selling 3 million copies lmao

>>713482212 (OP)
Just don't fucking buy service games, how hard is it?

>>713485592
>cannot admit fault
He literally did it on purpose. Are you guys this new to the media game? Shills with connections will always be dishonest dickheads working only for their own benefit. They go out of their way to misinterpret things because they know their algorithm-addicted audiences are literal cattle who do not think deeply about things and only read a situation through emotion and "vibes", which is what they exploit. And yes, they usually have links with Israel.

>Information is in a medium that is free and infinitely scalable
>lol jk, it is so heavily regulated in the favour of corpos that the average consumer doesn't even own the data on their computers
We truly live in a cyberpunk society.

>>713482212 (OP)
>It's O-AAAAAAAAAACCCKK
Redemption time, mods. You deleted Thoranny thread >>713478159 but you didn't delete these >>713460961 >>713450552. You have a chance to make things right. DELETE THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT ECELEB TRANNY THREAD NOW

>>713485592
its more likely that the easily reachable audience was reached in the english audience that follows the likes of gaming news sites, ross or mandalores on youtube, talk about games on forums etc.
the issue was the populations in largely non-english speaking countries not voting and all content that YOU might hear about the petition would never influence those people

I heard about ross decades ago, I heard about the petition day 1 and voted, then I kept hearing about it hundred more times but I can't vote more than once so what was the point.

>>713485257
>Oh fuck my company is in ruins because our goof troop like game failed and we have to spend 0 dollars by not adding and then removing drm, and another 0 dollars from not forcing online integration, oh shit its allowed to stay on the market generating passive income damn that greasy gamer man.
>be ruined

>>713485861
Keep not buying them, this isn't forcing you to start playing something you don't want to

>>713485832
What is your ideology?

>>713485713
The initiative forcing developers to keep live service/online only games running indefinitely. It wasn't, it was asking for an end of life plan for online only/dependent games either through server kits or the ability for an offline mode as just one example.

>>713485997
Right? Let people who buy into this bullshit get fucked over by it, if you didn't see the rugpull coming, you really deserve to get rugpulled. Lost revenue is the only thing these people understand.

>>713486013
I just want to play vidya

>>713486089
You not buying it is not lost revenue, you are not a shareholder.

>>713485861
Voting with your wallet doesn't fucking work

>>713486089
Letting normalfags get scammed is exactly how you normalize scams that run for centuries.

>>713482212 (OP)
.

I can still play all my games I bought 15 or so years ago

>>713485974
>well at least I still own the IP that I worked so hard on
>whoops I forgot I wasn't succesful so I lose that as well

>>713486002
3 for steak, 4 for toast
Coffee sucks

>>713486169
Will I get a loligf to make open source games and tend to the fields with?

>>713486045
I've been able to reconcile how /v/... actually this entire site... spams this meme as a "lmao fucking normalfags" response but then do the exact same shit.

>>713486169
>more Life is Strange games
no

>>713486126
For free. You're forgetting that part.

>>713483418
is it just one person who keeps posting the same thing (wanting to own the games you bought is "communist")?

When this initiative first started there was always this autist who posted obsessively fighting against it, and they were doing it on 8 ch too. I refuse to believe there can be more than like 2 people who think wanting to own things is communist.

That and /v/ is a place Babel and other paid pajeet comment farms make their rounds

>>713486169
Rollan

>>713486002
2, toast is disgusting and you should only slice freshly baked bread, A. Corpos and Jews can suck my balls.

>>713486045
Contrarianism has permanently poisoned online discourse.

>>713486045
This isn't just contrarianism this is being purposely spiteful to their own detriment. This is a counter movement by some group

PirateSoftware is a faggy little bitch.

>>713486291
But I already made my purchase.

>>713486291
Attack piracy then, go support Nintendo's efforts to scrub the internet of roms and emulators

>>713486218
If you're that broke and game that bad you deserve to lose.

>>713486250
It’s because people think they’re special and enlightened for being contrarian
>I’m not like the other boys, I believe the opposite
Ironically, it’s pure NPC behaviour. All they do is take the popular opinion and mindlessly flip it. It’s literally predictable
The fact that /pol/ is now pro Israel is the ultimate proof that people here are mindlessly just being contrarian

>>713486298
Never been to 8ch*n so you're dealing with more than one person.

I like Ross, he has this weird charm to him.
Shame that his integrity, views on ownership and the inherent value in art can't efficiently reach people without access to a huge amount of resources.

>>713486298
It is communist thinking on an astroturfed shithole. I don't think you realize how genuinely fucked this place is, and it's like this exactly because it's part of the content pipeline that drips towards normalfags.
You can let a genuine organic movement going, but not here. This place went through a botched circumcision like ten years ago.

>>713486371
And the service ended.

>>713486418
>All they do is take the popular opinion and mindlessly flip it.
They're teenagers, doing teenage rebellion shit. Like they've always done for millennia.
Ban kids from the web.

>>713486445
The idea you only lost because "you didn't reach people" and that you "need resources" to make a change in politics already shows how rotten the whole thing is. If you need to pay millions to make your opinion count then that's not much of a democracy now is it?

>>713486509
Then let me use the non-service part of the game.
In the case of the crew, the online service part was racing against other players and seeing them in the overworld. Remove that part, easy.

>>713486405
I disagree.

>OVER 5K results with "killing games" in OP
>earliest result I bothered to find is Sept 2024
wtf is this spam

>>713486461
Its funny that the alternative, Reddit, has deleted most posts about SKG, and the posts where it hasn't been were vastly negative about it. Because of course redditors love corporate fiefdoms and hate things like ownership

>>713486553
But you can already access the title screen

>>713486607
It's called, "The movement started last year"

>>713486550
>If you need to pay millions to make your opinion count then that's not much of a democracy now is it?
I love oligarchy omelettes, they're my favorite. I hope the best for Ross after this. He's done enough.

>>713486298
>That and /v/ is a place Babel and other paid pajeet comment farms make their rounds
Yes, I'm sure pajeets are the ones against it. They probably make dozens of videos and tiktoks against the movement too. A white male from america would never do that.

>>713486576
You'd disagree with the sun shining you contrarian faggot.

>>713486607
saar doi not eat spam saar
SAAR PLEASE REDEEM 5K COW DUNG CAKE NAO

>sept 2024 again
>same person

>>713482592
no, but you can own a server

it just keeps going, wtf is this person