>3 ninja gaiden games in one year
>lost soul aside finally coming out
>enenra looks kino as fuck
Is this the best year for the genre? The only thing missing is a DMC 1 remake

Might also wanna add MightReya, the new game from the Assault Spy dev.
>lost soul aside finally coming out
Don't know if it'll live up to the near decade of hype, but it's wild it's actually coming out at all. I still remember when it was announced in 2016 as "DMC meets FF15", when DMC5 and FF16 were still years out kek

anyone got a link to a mod that lets me play as dante in every level for 4se? I can only find ones for the vanilla game

>>713553105
I dont think there's one for 4se

>>713552534 (OP)
I'm tired of 3rd person action games, unironically

>stylish action
kill yourself

>>713553551
>not even dmc4 fans want to actually play that games campaign
grim

>>713552534 (OP)
I've enjoyed:

Furi
Nier

I've unenjoyed:
Transformers
DMC 4
DMC 5
KH3
Wi Fi Rush
Scarlet Nexus
Bayoneta
No more Heroes 3
DmC
Samurai Jack

Which one should I try next? does anyone share my taste?

>>713552534 (OP)
why the fuck is scarlet nexus and granblue here but not god of war? lmao

Onimusha is gonna respawn the genre a second time, mark my words.

>>713552534 (OP)
I've never played the Ninja Gaiden games. Should I start that series by emulating Ninja Gaiden Black?

>>713555315
Yes. Sigma 1 is fine too if you can't emulate Black

>>713552534 (OP)
>no Stellar Blade
it's fucking kino.

>>713552534 (OP)
>The games in this chart either suck, belong to completely different genres, are just re-re-re-releases of old games or are all three at the same time
I wonder if this chart is either a troll chart or a falseflag chart made by Dark Souls fans.

>>713556408
most likely a nu-fan of the genre

>>713556408
>>713556950
okay so what action games do you guys recommend that aren't just DMC, Bayonetta and Ninja Gaiden?

>>713557050
zone of the enders 2

>>713556950
The most amusing part is Soulslikes being loathed as the anathema of the genre due to being ARPGs... while including other action RPGs like Nier Automata or Final Fantasy XVI

>ICEY is a literal smartphone game
>Roguelikes are the current unoriginality cancer (just like Soulslikes) and still the chart included Morbid Metal

>>713552534 (OP)
>including Kingdom Hearts as an action game
Kill yourself OP.

>>713558097
i never considered the same genre
but then i dont consider god of war/dante inferno . the same genre as dmc/bayo
i play all the games even if i shit on them but thats unrelated

>>713558923
>i play all the games even if i shit on them
mental illness

>>713545843
>Wanted dead is still shit tho

Now I expect some people to seethe because this game was done dirty by a lot of reviews. They think this is the unbendable truth, the words of gospel from faggot journos and the so called yt experts (the other faggots with “a voice”). No need to see for yourself and form your own views. You subscribed to their channel so it must be true right?

But really Wanted Dead has a lot of amazing things about it

>oozing with charm and personality from the start menu screen
>easy mode is called Neko Chan the cuteness can warm your tiny little blacked heart
>you’re playing as a semi-cyborg war criminal zombie squad member based in Hong Kong
>ridiculous dialogues like the whole thing is an 80’s action movie on drugs
>gameplay loop is arcade beat them up hack and slash + third person shooting
>fun and addictive melee where you run through bullets to slash parry stun combos with a finish
>despite what people who can’t aim say third person shooting headshots work well and are satisfying
>actually well done anime style cutscenes
>Quiet from MGS is in the game as a sassy crazy cat lady
>Japanese style mini games like eating ramen, karaoke, shmups, and claw machines that are immaterial but adds to the charm
>provides a good fun arcade style challenge but not frustrating or insurmountably difficult like some games that makes you as weak as a kitten for a dopamine scam when you finally beat it

I really love this game and believe a lot of people would too. I recommend it if you read some of the pros I listed and thought to yourself “this sounds amazing” - this game absolutely is for you, especially if it’s on sale

>>713560180
sorry you didn't understand
i can play all franchises even if i shit in some of the games
just because i like dmc doesn't mean i ain't going to shit on 2 4 and 5

>>713560628
>Playing shit games ypu hate just due to some warped feeling of "completition" or just to "own" internet strangers
Mentall illness indeed

>>713560397
sounds bretty fun ngl

>>713552534 (OP)
Add Malicious Fallen, it released on 2017.

>>713558217
He doesn't know

>>3 ninja gaiden games in one year
>black was a demake of smegma 2
>ninja gaiden 4 is bamham slop made by nuplatinum
>ragebound is kino

>>713552534 (OP)
You forgot Nioh.

should hitstun work on bosses?

>>713563592
On humanoid ones sure

>>713562983
I was surprised how much I liked the Ragebound demo, especially on hard mode. But I'm not a big fan of 2D Ninja Gaiden so all the changes they made didn't really bother me.

>>713563592
It's not a question of should or shouldn't. It's about the type of boss you want to make, the combat system and if you can account for what hitstun means for the fight. Having bosses with full hitstun, partial hitstun you enable in one way or another, and no hitstun at all can all work well in their own ways and fit in the one game if you want them to.

>>713564713
>It's about the type of boss you want to make
This.

>>713554041
which nier

>Ragebound

I'm not big on the studio that's making the game. and it's redundant because there's already Cybershadow and messenger which are definitive classic NG game

>Black

NG2 + XBOX 360 can be bought for the same price as a copy of Black

>NG4

It's MGR with Ninja Gaiden. I'm not feeling Raiden in a ninja gaiden game

>>713560397
The Samurai Jack game with former NG developers is better and any random indie/doujin game is better. You only give free passes because you have that weird parasocial relationship with “famous” people.

Wanted:Dead was mediocre at best.
/v/ claiming that it was a secret ultimate masterpiece is not different to the recent Devil May Cry 2 / Yaiba cocksucking.

>>713566012
'‘Yaiba is better than GOW’' I always cringe when I read that. I tried to like that shit, but the game softlocked on me and I deleted that shit. And it also has boring ass weightless combat. certain NG fans should only talk about NG

>>713566148
>certain NG fans should only talk about NG
Even then lol

Wanted: Dead is really fun if you like your video games really gamey

How do these threads keep getting progressively more mentally ill?

Threadly reminder: Even if you hate NInja Gaiden 4, even if you aren't a Ninja Gaiden fan, even if you're a Devil May Cry fan, you HAVE to buy Ninja Gaiden 4 full price at release.
Otherwise you will tell the industry "we don't want proper action games, please keep making Dark Souls clones"

You can always bitch about the game itself later, after it sells 5 million copies on its first month, so Ninja Gaiden 5 course corrects and the next game is a genuine Ninja Gaiden. But you HAVE to put your money where your mouth is now.

>>713566560
I don't care about large corporations. My twitter feed is full of amazing indie action games, fuck the next overpriced slop

>>713560397
Agreed I had a lot of fun playing it despite the bad reviews

>>713565208
We have to assume Automata from these normies

>>713566465
Nice projection, youre probably the most depressed angry and lonely person in here

>>713566560
Truth is Ninja Gaiden 2 was peak and NG4 looks like a mobile game, I wouldn’t expect much from a 5

>>713566459
There is nothing farther than the truth that this post: the game is absolutely full of meaningless non-game filler. Like it wants to be a shittier Yakuza.
It's pretty telling that the levels themselves don't give you enough not-experience-points to level up all your skills because you're intended to spend hours engaging on the crane minigame and get said points from there.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person who actually played that game.

>>713566560
DMC5 sold well. where's my DMC6?

>>713566802
>DMC5 sold well
It didn't. Most of the sales numbers came from the game becoming a bundle fixture so basically anyone who buys bundles has five or six unused DMC5 keys.

If it had sold even decently Capcom would have started milking it; instead they gave up on the franchise and outside the eternal Resident Evil Monster Hunter milking decided to either give a try to either new intellectual properties (Kunitsu-kami) sequels to modern cult classics (Dragon's Dogma 2) or revive other PS2 era franchises (Onimusha, Okami)

>>713566758
Nah I was in a discord call watching anime just now.

>>713566758
>Ninja Gaiden 2 was peak
It's fine

>>713566773
This is like complaining about Resident Evil 4 remake’s extra shop figurines. You can crane out a cat figurine so you can look at it. It’s there as a silly mini game and it pissed you off because you couldn’t stand the concept of frivolity

The game doesnt give you enough points you say? This game gives you too much points and you can complete the skill tree early on. Weird

>>713567042
DMC's problem is that it sold well but lacked MTX. They tried but the community content was better than the stuff they came up with. And unlike the SF cucks, the community doesn't buy MTX

>>713566560
>You have to spend 70 bucks on this game to win some imaginary war between this genre you like and this genre you don't like! It doesn't matter if the game looks good to you or not—just drop $70 on it!
I'm not doing that. In fact, that's one of the most pathetic things I've ever read, so I'm just going to assume this is bait, in which case, I fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

>>713567594
Excuses, excuses.
DMC5 sold like shit and that's it.

>>713567635
Wrong

>>713567621
Would you believe me if I told you it's both?
As, I'm indeed baiting because I know how much you people hate Souls and I enjoy flame wars immensely, but I'm also 100% serious and honestly believe what I posted.

The industry moves where the money is; for example many games chased the Nier Automata train (Scarlet Nexus and Stellar Blade are good examples; same with Replicant getting a remake) because it sold very well. If Ninja Gaiden 4 sells well then the rest of the industry will follow and if it is successful enough people will stop making Souls clones.

Outside the rest of the industry, Koei Tecmo is a pretty blatant tendency chaser. If Ninja Gaiden 4 is successful and Nioh 3 fails (this is important too; anons must refrain from buying Nioh 3) then they will finally stop chasing that From Software money and go back to the Ninja Gaiden franchise

>>713568206
>Scarlet Nexus and Stellar Blade are good examples
and they sucked

>>713568206
The industry loves to waste money. Shit like undertale and undertale clones sell pretty well and they are made with only living wage. The industry is controlled by out of touch boomers

>>713568312
Does it even matter if they sucked? The important part is that they were made, because Automata was wildly successful.
While Scarlet Nexus came and went even when Bamco rocket pushed the fuck out of it, Stellar Blade was extremely successful on both PS5 and PC.

>>713568404
>Shit like undertale and undertale clones sell pretty well
Exactly. If a game is wildly successful the rest of the industry will follow. That's why Ninja Gaiden 4 needs to be extremely successful if you want proper action games (not RPGs wearing their skin like a monster from a movie) to come back.

Again, the ball is on your court. It's up to you if you want to take this once-in-a-lifetime chance and do something with it. Especially now that the double whammy of Shadow of the Erdtree and Nightreign did a lot of damage to the Soulslike genre and weakened From Software immensely.

>>713568206
I bought two copies of Ng4

>>713568669
That's not my point. My point is that the tech-illiterate nepobabies who control the “industry” love to waste money on useless things. While Wagies come up with games that sell well, and they sell cheap and are made on the cheap. If the industry started spending less on bullshit, and more on results.

>>713569019
>and they sell cheap and are made on the cheap
Oooooooooooh, I understand now. You're one of those people.

Enjoy your Souls clones then.

>>713569113
Again, it's not just “souls clones” that are being developed. There's an indie for every possible thing. And one of those is action games. But doomposting is the standard on /v/

>>713566560
If it's not my type of action game why would I care? The game clearly has no focus on neutral like NG1 and 2 do. Every action game is like that nowadays.

>>713566560
>>713568206
>>713568669
>you HAVE to put your money where your mouth is now.
Marketer bro has a point. The change starts with us.

>>713569660
>focus on neutral
>like NG2
LMAO

>>713569660
>NG2

>Neutral

I love NG2, but neutral is useless in that game. Unless you exploit the spawn system. But that already shows how broken the game is. Even NG3 has a better neutral game

>>713569702
but the games industry never listens to me

>>713569831
Make them listen anon.

>>713569887
how?

I’m not buying NG4

I don’t care it looks like shit, from a distance it could pass for league of legends

>>713569905
Vote with your wallet. Simple as.

>muh neutral
just say you're broke dawg

>>713566560
Ninja Gaiden went to shit after 2. I'll be buying Nioh 3 instead to signal that I want more of those games.

Call me whatever you want but I actually love having to play different characters in action games. It was awesome when Onimusha did it. It was awesome when Devil May Cry did it. It was awesome when Ninja Gaiden did it. It's awesome to get to play as multiple characters.

It keeps the game fresh without having to rely on gimmicks and more often than not it makes the story much more fun. It's cool to get to play as Ayane or Jean Reno or Vergil. It's exciting to get to play the game in a new way. Yeah sometimes some of the characters are less polished but it adds more to the game than it takes from it more often than not.

>>713568206
A good action game can never be as popular as souls simply because the combat system requires some learning to get into.

>>713570585
>old good, new bad
It's as simple as that, I don't know why people can't enjoy new things. I found Nero way more fun to play than Dante in dmc4.

>>713570894
Nioh is more complicated than most action games.

>>713570097
that won't work

>>713571037
A good action game doesn't have to be complicated. I had more fun with sekiro than nioh. In fact, sekiro is a good examplle: it's as far as an action game can go sales wise, and it's still not enough to beat souls.

>>713552534 (OP)
the morbid metal demo was shit

>>713570097
Voting with your wallet does nothing, it only counts when masses are doing it. ~5 anons in this thread buying a game changes nothing.

>>713552534 (OP)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiAyVHmLirE
is it kino?

>>713571216
>roguelike
No shit

>>713571197
Sekiro requires pretty much no learning to get into. It's mainly just pressing one button at prescribed timings, like a rhythm game.

>>713571497
Sekiro has better enemy design and level design. That's the only from game that beats Nioh. And yet, Nioh has better replay value because it's designed to be replayed.

>>713571497
>mainly just pressing one button
Good

>>713571497
It should be easy to get into, but people still fail at it. Most will never realize that you should be aggressive in sekiro, and my friend finished it never learning how to counter thrusts with mikiri. You can't expect these games to sell as much as souls do, people don't want to learn when they play video games.

>>713571839
I have about 150 hours in nioh 2 and 200 in sekiro. While nioh is designed to be replayable, I ended up coming back to sekiro more simply because I enjoyed the combat so much.

>>713566560
This. And literally nothing indicates NG4 will be a bad game anyways. Sure it probably won't be as good as NG1-3 but it will still be a good time regardless. Buy it to support Team Ninja and show dedicated action games that aren't soulshit are still viable.

>>713571035
Yeah, I never understood the pedestalizing DMC4 Dante got. He has some cool stuff but Nero feels close to perfect in that game. It's no surprise basically everything after from DmC to 4SE Vergil and DMC5 Dante is just making stuff more like Nero.

>>713571997
It's going to clear NG3 let's be honest here.

Platinum is kinda iffy sometimes but they still do decent gameplay and there seem to be none of the gimmick problems they usually have, which is their biggest problem. At worst Yakumo is going to be a better Raiden and Ryu is going to be a slightly worse version of his previous incarnations.

>>713572307
Platinum's biggest downfall was their Activision arc. All activision published platinum games seem to be dirt cheap, and they sold accordingly. I don't know why From could get a budget out of activision and Platinum couldn't.

>>713561672
it's kinda cool but remembering combos for different styles is way too hard.

>>713572307
>It's going to clear NG3
It's going to beat the second best game?

>>713572557
>DS has sold consistently since DS1

>High critical appraisal

From had a more important name than Platinum.

Will NG4 allow you to play the game or will you be forced to the usual Platinum Games minigame faggotry and spend more playing a Space Harrier clone, a Radiant Silvergun clone, an After Burner clone, a Punch Out clone than actually playing Ninja Gaiden?

>>713572557
From games sell while Platinum's don't.
Remember, Bayonetta was such a commercial failure Nintendo had to fund the sequel.

>>713566560
>buy Platinum crap
No thanks. Bayonetta 3 was horrid.

>>713572557
Platinum mismanaged their funds in just about every project, I doubt it was on Activision.

>>713573089
Does Sekiro even have that much of a budget? It always struck me as one of From's most humble-looking games.

>>713573008
It's better than DMC V in many areas. But it's kind of annoying. A pc port would have fixed most of the issues

>>713571997
>nothing indicates NG4 will be a bad game anyways
Even if it was you still have to buy it if you want to beat Souls.

>>713573158
Sekiro features the largest number of original assets since Bloodborne.

>>713565208
Automata. The other Nier I enjoyed it as well but a lot less.

>>713573225
>It's better than DMC V in many areas.
lol

>>713573273
But they're still very "down to earth". You have very little in the way of extravagant enemies and plenty of humble-looking Samurai.
Isshin is either an old man wearing a kimono or a scrawny man wearing a kimono and a helmet. Another boss was three monkeys; the divine dragon was the most fantasy-inspired boss and still it was just a semi-transparent dragon.

>>713573387
>V

Bayonetta makes V better than DMC V

>Level design

arguably bayonetta

>Enemy design

Both are disappointing but Bayonetta is better

>Combat

Bayo combat is underrated. If nintendo had continued to support the game they would have fixed the dumb ass weapon limit

>>713573089
I might have an idea of where the funds went, actually.
>>713573158
No way to say for sure. I thought sekiro was a very beautiful games. It is possible that From is just that better at managing their funds, they might have a more efficient production pipeline compared to Plat too.

>>713573457
It's a game about Samurai. What matters are the new animations and Sekiro is full of them. Like, a more “varied” game like DS2 is full of repeated animations

>>713569797
>>713572917
>>713573562
Remove the spaces

>>713552534 (OP)
>no stellar blade
a tranny made this list

>>713573562
>Bayonetta makes V better than DMC V
This is a horrible comparison because DMC5 didn't have to make any sacrifices to feature V whereas Bayo 3 completely changed how Bayonetta worked for the kaiju gimmick (which isn't even like V when you get down to it).

>arguably bayonetta
It's open world slop.

>Both are disappointing but Bayonetta is better
The new enemies all sucked.

>If nintendo had continued to support the game they would have fixed the dumb ass weapon limit
What about they release a finished game? Or one that can run in its intended EXCLUSIVE hardware? Or at least one where 6 million Bayonettas get killed for a successor plot that's completely unwarranted? Or how about one where Jeanne is more than a stealth section character that dies when a Dr. Xavier expy lightly stabs her?

>>713571035
>I found Nero way more fun to play than Dante in dmc4.
because they nerfed the shit out of him compared to dmc3 from a combo of wanting to 'balance' style switching and maybe wanting to push nero in some way
but with dmc5 they realized they actually don't give a shit how busted dante can be and so it raises the question as to why spend the time programming streak/split/aerial rave when dante already has stinger/helm breaker/aerial rave

>>713571054
It does. I keep buying these games and they keep making them for me.

While Ninja Gaiden 4 being successful would harm my favorite videogame genre (subgenre?), maybe even kill it for good, I still find this road to Ninja Gaiden 4 very interesting.
/v/ made Dark Souls big in the first place; /v/ can easily make Ninja Gaiden 4 big and destroy Soulslikes forever. Will the board dare to be badass? $70 isn't a lot of money.

>>713573457
>You have very little in the way of extravagant enemies and plenty of humble-looking Samurai.
You have the tengu ninjas, the ookami warriors, the monks, the ghost enemies, the monkeys, the giant babies, the purple ninjas, the midgets, and a bunch of the bosses and mini-bosses aren't even human.

Like yeah, it's down to earth compared to pure action games and the enemies generally work the same way but it's not like it's just dudes with swords.

>>713552534 (OP)
This is a seriously random assortment of games.

>>713574267
It's basically "as long as they aren't Demon's Souls clones"; there is no way it isn't a shitposting chart.

>>713570585
my problem is that either one of the characters is blatantly undercooked and then I subconciously go "man, I wish I had more of the good part of the game" or the two characters are pretty equal and you're either essentially playing as a skin (the two guys in onimusha 3 have like 98% the same mechanics) or I go "I wish I could play as both of them"

fucking sonic 3 feels like a more well done way to have multiple characters that interesting then basically any action game i've ever played

>>713574143
>/v/ made Dark Souls big in the first place
No it fucking didn't, that was streaming since it became the default "laugh at the streamer rage because he/she died" game but it was simple enough that any retard could pick it up and learn how to play it. On top of that Dark Souls was getting good reviews from basically every journo when it released.

>>713574143
>/v/ made Dark Souls big in the first place; /v/ can easily make Ninja Gaiden 4 big
What a load, we have a master baiter here.

It's time we finally have the discussion again.

Modern Dante controls are not good and severely overcomplicate what are in reality, simple actions and the autism execution required to do them give people a false sense of "style".

Swordmaster is pretty much literally just the equivalent of a heavy attack button for melee attacks
Trickster could easily be worked into the controls as a standalone button for evasive actions
Royalguard is somewhat of a fringe case move and does not feel as core as the above two styles. Obviously people love RG and it lets you do some really cool stuff but it was unironically at it's most useful in 3 where it could be used as a way to cancel certain actions.
Gunslinger is similar to where it's really only used for fringe case moves, moves that could easily be implemented into most weapons movesets without needing a second action button to perform them.
Darkslayer is obviously just a simplified additional weapon, not much to say there.

5 didn't really do anything to make styles more interesting outside of the DSD effects.

>>713574445
>>713574448
Yes it did. The game only exploded in popularity when /v/ became obsessed with it and preached its virtues, religious leader style, to the rest of the gaming community.

>>713552534 (OP)
>TFD
Criminally underseen, not quite underrated since most people who play it know how great it is. Has held up as the best Platinum game.
>DMC4SE
Mostly a way to give fans hope in the DmC era and new devs experience, but Trish & Lady are genuinely really fun to play as.
>DmC DE
Makes a bad game passable. People who hold it up as the best western action game are probably trolling though, especially since Itsuno is the only reason the combat was any good in the first place.
>Furi
Really well-made for what it is, and I appreciate the focus on boss fights. I'm not huge on parries but at least Furi doesn't pretend it has more under the hood.
>ICEY
Competent, but nothing special.
>Automata
As an action game I think it gets overhyped but as an overall game it deserved its praise. Having the most standard, polished combat Taura could muster instead of the jank of prior Yoko Taro games was what helped it succeed.
>Aztez
Really underrated but its odd campaign structure has to take some of the blame.
>Assault Spy
One of the only true DMC clones (as opposed to God of War clones) and despite the visibly low budget it just feels good.
>DMC5
Great game even well after the honeymoon period. 1 & 3 are still better overall but 5 has the most fun arsenals Dante & Nero have had and a solid boss lineup.
>KH3
Haven't played the series, can't comment.
>AC
Absolutely overrated, with shallow combat and bad level design carried by great aesthetics and a few flashy gimmicks. Pretty good bosses though.
>Jack
Rough around the edges and not quite an NG game in disguise but 100% worth playing and replaying. Actually has a decent breakable weapon system.
>Scarlet Nexus
About on par with Astral Chain but without feeling as overhyped.
>NEO TWEWY
Incredibly creative and engaging combat mechanics kind of bogged down by the campaign's sometimes-sluggish pacing.
>NMH3
Haven't played but I've heard it somehow has worse combat than the first two.

(1/2)

>>713574647
>Bayo 3
A real shame, but I think people ignore what good it had because the bad was so blatant. Demon Slave was a genuinely impressive system that the game didn't really give you reason to fully explore, and I love the weapons. Strider is also the best rival in the trilogy mechanically.
>Sifu
Really well-made game with a lot to offer, it just didn't keep me in for long. There's been a ton of updates so I'm sure there's more non-roguelite content in there at this point though.
>Soulstice
Never played, doesn't look like I'm missing much though.
>HFR
A genuine joy to play that manages to nail its core gameplay concept even if the balancing is clearly off once you go back to replay (a little too easy, especially with how powerful rotating your assists is, and yet you need to hit certain assists to damage certain enemies which slows some things down). Still ended up my GOTY
>FFXVI
It's okay I guess but it splits the difference on its audiences too much since it's not an RPG at all but the combat is really just about cycling insanely strong cooldown abilities and breaking stagger bars.
>SZX
One of the biggest disappointments I've had in years. Incredible presentation across the board, kinda fun combos, but the actual combat falls apart really fast. I've seen the guy in charge of combat design admit that the project was so troubled that he had to just toss all the encounters together with no time to balance it and it shows
>Magenta Horizon
2024 GOTY, tied with Kunitsu-Gami (which is an excellent action game in its own way). Some of the best enemy design I've ever seen, great flow between all your core tools to move and attack with, and the healing system is genius. Deserves way more love.
>GBRelink
Isn't this just ARPG raid boss simulator with all your favorite gacha pulls?
>RePop
Unfortunately mediocre remaster of a solid game.

>>713555315
Black or Sigma are fine. If xbox emulation is too annoying just torrent master collection. Sigma is better overall despite what people say but Black isn't much worse either, you'll just get to enjoy one of the worst levels in the series

>>713574118
>they nerfed the shit out of him compared to dmc3
Even if he hadn't gotten nerfed Dante would've been still weird to play because his options are completely wack in 4. Lucifer basically has no real melee, Pandora is just too much for a character with five other weapons, Gilgamesh's charge mechanic is useless in practice, and so and so on.

Some shit just doesn't make sense at all. You need to use Swordmaster to do Aerial Rave, when it would make much more sense to need it for Helm Breaker, which is exactly how it works for Gilgamesh which you've removed the air move Beowulf had from... and then you Yamato as an extra style to give you another air combo?

The character is just completely directionless.

>it raises the question as to why spend the time programming streak/split/aerial rave when dante already has stinger/helm breaker/aerial rave
Because those are for completely different characters? Like I can't imagine Split and Helm Breaker need that much work to implement together, they're almost the same move at their base levels.

3>1>5>4>DmC>>>>>hell of shit games>2

>>713572929
They've already shown plenty of gimmicky, cinematic stuff. They couldn't help themselves.

>>713574634
I agree completely. Style switching makes it feel like playing a fucking mmo.

>>713574647
>>713574715
You are correct. Finally someone plays this dead genre.

>>713575010
they haven't showed anything "cinematic" yet that wasn't introduced in 3
as long as 4 doesn't have a section where you carry a child slowly and do QTEs to stop the big bad monsters from taking her then literally nothing can top 3's cinematic crap

>>713575153
>they haven't showed anything "cinematic" yet that wasn't introduced in 3
I don't remember having to dodge trains while grinding on rails in NG3.

>>713558217
I finally got around to playing Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2, something I thought I would NEVER EVER do in my life but as I suspected, the people shlorking the game off as LE STYLISH ACTION are retarded.

What makes the KH2 combat "special" pretty much boils down to three things.
>KH is ALL about contextual actions
Your attack will completely change based on positioning. i.e. if you're far away from the opponent, you'll do a stinger type attack, if the enemy you're targeting is above you and you're on the ground you'll do an attack that launches you in the air. This might sound cool to some in theory, making positioning way more important than other action games in reality your options feel really restrictive with your attacks and at some point later in the game you get extremely good and easy to use attacks that dumb the game down
>Magic attacks get buffed when used in combo chains
Self explanatory but the strength of your magic attacks improve when used as a combo ender or w/e and you can chain your magic into each other like their a combo, even weaving different spells in with each other. It's a cool system but it really doesn't do anything crazy
>Several power up modes
Probably the only real reason anyone things the game is "stylish" are the pseudo devil trigger modes that all give you new movesets to work with, these are fun to use but generally pretty fucking strong. Also lol random chance you'll turn into an alternate bad mode that you can't get out of until the timer runs out wasting your mode meter.

It's not bad but it does not have depth and especially on a first playthrough, you're VERY slow to gain new combat actions so half the game or more you have nothing but the most basic shit with like one mode to play around with

>>713575281
not even as bad as suddenly playing temple run when the dinosaur chases you in the middle of a boss fight

>>713574634
Disagree.

>Swordmaster
Works completely differently for each of his weapons. DSD has a completely separate mechanic (and Dance Macabre). Balrog has moves that makes it less necessary to switch between modes (Blow gets a launcher and a drop move while Kick gets a dodge attack and an air combo, which is what the opposite gets in their base kit). Cavaliere's second form works into the first one, whereas King Cerberus' fire move is basically a separate weapon that covers for the ice modes' weaknesses and adds crowd control to the lightning form which has long range attacks on its base kit.

In essence Swordmaster is designed so the respective weaknesses of the Devil Arms are addressed in their own unique ways, making it way less necessary to switch between styles or weapons. It's implemented perfectly.

>Trickster
Isn't really necessary because Cavaliere, Balrog, King Cerberus and Coyote-A all get dodge moves and DSD and Faust have knockback stop attacks. Even E&I and DKA get some aerial movement options.

It is entirely for style (Mustang is underlooked) and if you want to not bother with all those separate options. I'd say it's perfectly implemented too.

>Gunslinger
This is definitely the weakest style but it still provides all the guns with at least one good option that will expand what they can do substantially (Rainstorm, Magic Hat, Cut-In, Blaster). E&I has by far the best implementation of it with its secondary fire modes. It would help it tremendously to give the guns different summoned swords though.

>>713575393
>LE STYLISH ACTION
Name me one person who said this.

>>713560397
>Only bring up gameplay 5 lines in, explaining it in the most general sense possible
Ask me how I know you're a third worlder

Gotta say, these threads are perfect examples of why this genre practically died out, and you see the same shit in RTS threads. All the "fans" are autists that are too attached to a single game (not even a series some of the time, there's people here that literally only like a single Ninja Gaiden or DMC game and nothing else) and will complain when something new doesn't play exactly like their favorite. The smallest deviation will get nitpicked as if it's some objective flaw and not just a difference in the style of gameplay. Meanwhile millions of Soulsfags just bought a game that's 99% recycled assets from Elden Ring and they're happily playing it.
>inb4 "but I have standards"
Your "standards" are why you'll get nothing and just keep posting about the same 5 games you played 15 years ago.

>>713565453
Cybershadow sucks, messenger is fun but metroidvania shit isn't fun. Ragebound is doing it's own thing but taking many lessons from old and new NG and putting their own twist on it. The demo is really fun if you actually try to get S ranks in the missions

>>713554418
They censored the remaster of 2 so I don't care

>>713575557
>the same 5 games you played
Playing is a stretch. They're all secondaries.

>>713575410
True, but it's still bad. There shouldn't be anything like that in an NG game at all.

>>713566560
I don't want action games if they're gonna be pure platinum fucking garbage slop lazily thrown in a trough for idiot little piggies to eat up like NG4

If you buy NG4, you are not a true fan of action games and only enjoy them for the most basic surface level "DUDE IT LOOKS COOOL!!! IT'S LE FLASHY AND BLOODY!!!!!" you belong in the same pig pen as mortal kombat fans.

If you want to play NG4 but don't want to support the game, pirate it or at best play it through gamepass.

>>713575557
>Your "standards" are why you'll get nothing and just keep posting about the same 5 games you played 15 years ago.
You're giving a massive benefit of the doubt here, most action game fags are posers

>>713575710
>There shouldn't be anything like that in an NG game at all.
But all of them have shit like that?

>>713574634
the people who want these kind of changes are the same people that are just going to spam stinger all day instead of actually doing anything so there's zero reason to appeal to them at the expense of everyone else, especially since all of dantes weapons in 5 are so fleshed out you can just completely ignore all the trickguardswordguardtrickgun bullshit and still have a great time.

why remove the ability to move freely while shooting just so someone who isn't going to use gunstinger anyway can use it without having to hit gunslinger first?

>>713575393
>the people shlorking the game off as LE STYLISH ACTION are retarded.
Said nobody ever

>>713575710
that ship already sailed more than a decade ago
there are people itt saying NG3 is good, 3 is part of NG identity whether you like it or not

>>713575782
Mork mentioned?

>>713575557
>the same 5 games
>Believing that Ninja Gaiden 2 or Devil May Cry 1 fans have played another action game.

>>713575937
mork sing handedly proved NG2 to be a misunderstood MASTEPPIECE. Show some respect

>>713576120
He misunderstood NG2.

>>713575813
NG2 doesn't. NG1 did have that Indiana Jones boulder run sequence, though, so I guess there's that.

>>713571037
Well Nioh is more fun than every other souls slop but Ninja Gaiden and DMC are more fun then Nioh

>>713554418
It's too visually unappealing. Not like a game that would sell.

>>713575557
Nah the reality is that action games are too broad and people like them for too many different reasons.
A great example is looking at how many people who will defend NG4 in the threads here and then when you look at the broader reaction of the internet on twitter or reddit or w/e where they all mindlessly basedface over it.

Action games can only sell by appealing people who want to see cool things and cool things to them can be EPIC!!!!!! cinematic animations rather than stringing together a series of cool actions that require good timing and knowledge of specific tech along with understanding exactly how the enemies work. See: the people who pretend NG2 is the best NG ever when it adds more and more cinematic "style" over true substance.
I'm using NG as an example here but you see it in literally every action series. DMC3 has a lot more enemies total and they can allow more than one enemy type in a single fight but as a result the enemies were severely toned down and feel a lot more docile. People consider DMC3 to be one of if not the best in the series and while you could say it's because of styles or weapon switching, in reality we all know it's because of the story and characters being much more appealing than DMC1's. A lot of people claimed Bayonetta 2 was an improvement over 1, when in reality the gameplay took a massive nosedive but Bayo's design is more appealling, the graphics are more colorful, and there's a lot more """""""epic""""""" moments.

Action game fans who appreciate the gameplay are in the minority and what those fans actually want out of an action game vary. A big DMC fan is gonna have much different opinions about actions over an NG fan for example and these people will fight over which of these series is best and then within those series people arguing about which game is the best, etc. There is no solidified solid "opinion" of what people like about action games and what make them good beyond DUDE LE STYLE

>>713572749
There's a lot overall but you don't need to remember too many of them, both because there's a few solid reliable options you can use more often and because the way they're structured means you can go with the flow and get what you'd probably want by just swapping weapon at that time. The secret ones like where you can go into hammer can be another matter but they're also pretty situational.
Anyway, just start with (on Fists): Square Square Square Up (hold Square for max bullet output)
Square Triangle Triangle or Square Left Triangle (holding the second hit puts you in the air)
Square Square Left Triangle (Triangle again gives you hammer)
And just the Square mash can be pretty good too.

>>713572929
Kamiya was responsible for all of those, and he's no longer working at Platinum.

>>713576679
OTs are the last reason people like NG2

>>713577467
Oh really? NG2 fags think the addition of OTs is genius because they promote proactive gameplay and allow you to iframe incendiary shurikens

>>713572851
To be honest, I think NG4 will be the best game in series.
>no rpg spam
>no perma block
>no fps
>no instant grabs
>less i-frame abuse
>no qte cutscenes
>no camera issue
>no time wasting puzzles
>weapon switching
>good boss fights
>actual enemy variety
>most playable characters

>>713576679
>DMC3 has a lot more enemies total and they can allow more than one enemy type in a single fight but as a result the enemies were severely toned down and feel a lot more docile.
This is a gross overstatement. DMC1 has plenty of enemies that can put very little fight or die to simple strats. Not to say the DMC3 enemies are the most complex thing, and it has plenty of stinkers, but DMC1 is far from perfect in the enemy department and there's more to it than the memory limitations.

>People consider DMC3 to be one of if not the best in the series and while you could say it's because of styles or weapon switching, in reality we all know it's because of the story and characters being much more appealing than DMC1's.
No, that's just part of a greater whole. DMC3 elegantly used its cutscenes to both reward the player and set the tone of how they should be playing as Dante. You get one cutscene at the start, one cutscene before a boss and one cutscene at the end of a mission. This structure is followed very rigorously so you always know what you're doing in the game.

You're also presented with a very comprehensible difficulty curve. Plenty of people die in the first two or three missions in DMC3 during their first playthrough but the vast majority get to at least Vergil 1, because he's been constantly set as the mountain you have to climb.

You massively undersell how good DMC3 (and Capcom in general) is at tying interaction and presentation. Nobody dropped DMC3 because Vergil whooped their ass, it's actually a great moment to everyone if he does, and yet it's a completely natural gameplay result.

>>713577467
If you talk about OT being a shitty mechanic people freak out and when you point out how NG2 doubled down on "PRESS Y TO AWESOME" they go ape.

It's just a fact.

>>713577829
>most playable characters
Source?

>>713575557
They have no standards. All they want is the exact same game to be re-released. Because they refuse to learn new things and I doubt they learned anything from the game they attached to.

>>713577829
Instant grabs are a good thing. It forces you to actually pay attention.

>>713576314
>swim level
>fps boss fight
>pole swing section
NG2 also has shit setpieces.

>>713554418
I sure hope so, the game looks like it's great based on the previews, but it's probably not going to be a big hit, and capcom seems to know this because it's not going to be present at their direct tomorrow
The new kunitsu-gami

>People hype up Spirit X Strike based on a super janky demo that's kinda fun but extremely shallow
>It turns out to be actual kusoge
Why can't we have nice things

>>713578589
None of those are cinematic sequences or anything like that. They're still dogshit, though, yes.

>>713576679
Truth Nuke.
Most "action game fans" just want press y to awesome. There's nothing wrong with that. But they pretend they have huge interest or study in gameplay depth just like every soulslike vet ever.

>>713578141
NG4 has 2 playable characters.

>>713578912
>2
Then it doesn't have the most characters.

>>713576679
>Bayo 2's gameplay took a nosedive
Lmao stopped reading here

>>713578912
Both Sigma 2 and 3RE have more than that.

>>713579010
Kunoichis are reskined Ryu.

>>713577829
>no rpg spam
Rocket launcher enemies are in and they even brought back armadillos. Hope they get paired up with each other.

>>713579131
>D-Doesn't count!
Goalpost? moved

>>713579185
It was the joke anon.

I played Bayonetta 1 because it came with Vanquish (10/10) and while I really like the individual elements such as accurate angels, breakneck combat and sense of scale, it dragged on 4-5 longer than it should have. By the end, the song and dance thing just kind of pissed me off and I was like “just fucking stop and end you fucking bitch”

People say Bayo 1 is the best one so not looking so great for the series

>>713579795
>Accurate angels

But they don't look like any Mesopotamian or other Near Eastern creature. They look like they come from the Chinese pantheon

Nioh 3 added infinite stamina at level 1. It's now more action than your favorite action game.
https://youtu.be/PUtVnmyCAMg

Action games may rely on "press X to awesome" for mainstream appeal but that's not really relevant here outside a single example (NG2)
There are two types of people ITT, with one group dwarfing the other: those interested in "clout" and tribalism and sniffing their own farts, and those that actually enjoy learning mechanics.
The former are the faggots arguing over franchise wars and talking about retarded combo videos. The latter are a tiny minority trying to teach each other what they've learned.

The different franchises have different focuses and whichever one an individual prefers is based on that focus.

DMC 3/4/5 is all about finding the right tool in your massive belt for your current situation and allowing the player a lot of freedom for personal expression.
Ninja Gaiden is all about staying mobile and finding the right moment to strike without exposing yourself.
Bayonetta is all about keeping your inputs deliberate and reacting quickly to cues
God Hand is all about dodge cancels and counterhits and crowd control

If you go into any of these games thinking that all of them should adhere ti a single game's philosophy you're going to come away disappointed.

>>713579870
It’s based on the Book not any of those falsehoods

>>713579795
People that say Bayo 1 is the best don't actually like Bayonetta, they like DMC and want Bayo to be another juggle simulator

>>713554041
>Which one should I try next?
based on your average level of enjoyment an entirely different genre by the sounds of it

>>713580038
Jews are a near eastern people and represent things that way. Maybe I'm being pedantic after falling into the biblical scholar rabbit hole, but how would you depict them? Unless you know Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and have the artistic skills to depict them. You also have to fill in the gaps in the text - how can you do that without reference?

>>713580048
Personally, I like Bayo 1 the most because it's the only one without some stupid gimmicky mechanic like Umbran Climax or Demon Slave. I've come to realize that Transformers Devastation is the best Bayonetta game recently, though.

>>713557050
Evil west

>>713579975
Also I'd just like to add that "stylish combos!" have little to no gameplay value in a majority of action games and the focus on them among posters sickens me. I'd much rather play a game that has strong mechanical depth and interplay and very little focus on long strings (like god hand) over a game with simplistic mechanics and interplay but million-year-long combos like Xillia 2.

>>713575557
It's almost like genre doesn't matter and games shouldn't be thought of in that way, but most people don't want accept this for whatever reason.

>>713580242
>Devastation chad

Finally this game is being seen for what it is

>>713560180
not really. I enjoyed the souls games when they were newer and the formula wasn't so tired. I still partake in zanzibartposting because it's hilarious how much it pisses off fromdrones

>>713580216
NTA but IIRC the whole wheel covered in eyes and related angelic imagery comes from the Book of Enoch

>>713580242
>Devastation
Based, it's the best bayo game

>No shit gimmicks
>No Qtes
>No stupid minigames
>Pure action

>>713580242
>>713580396
Devastation was a lot of fun especially on a first playthrough, and I did beat it on every difficulty, but the weapon drop/grind system blew ass.

mork

>>713580503
The only bad thing is the confusing level design. Apart from that 9.5/10 game

>>713575514
pretty sure the actual in store description for dmc says this

>>713553791
/thread

>>713575557
Don't be ridiculous, this crowd is too small to have any appreciable impact on sales.
Action games are hard to make, hard to pitch to dipshit execs, hard to sell, and hard to add successful monetization to.

>>713579001
Okay go ahead retard, you have the floor. Elaborate on what makes Bayo 2 better

>>713580678
That's not what the steam charts say. People love action games

>>713554041
This genre isnt for you, go play theatrhythm

>>713580554
Nah it had a lot of flaws. Useless characters, stat grinding, weapon grinding, attachment grinding, none of which has any place in this kind of game.
The combat also got really really easy once you figured out how to abuse gun slowdown

>>713580216
To me they looked more demonic than angelic so you’d have to think they took a list of descriptions and ran with them to fit the image of a witchy video game. They look like the shit from Dictionnaire Infernal. But not as evil I guess. What they did is more accurate than some people in robes and angel wings as far as I know. And to me they did not look Chinese, not at all

>>713579001
Name five things 2 did better than 1

>>713580780
I never needed to grind because some types of weapons and characters were so OP that grinding was pointless. Grimlock and Bee are broken

>>713554259
Dad n Son; A sexual trist in a snowy land, is gay as fuck and lacks the 2005, 2007 brutal GoW i played when I was fucking 18, faggot.

>>713580690
Better and more viable and diverse weapons
Juggle protection so cunts can't avoid the primary mechanics
Better and more unlockables and side content
A better story that even fixes all the retarded bullshit from 1
A fully functional online co-op mode complete with secret playable characters and bosses (if you don't think playing as Rodin is the coolest shit get the fuck out of my face)
No insta-death QTEs or years-long Space Harrier segments that exist purely as a fuck you to completionists

Literally the only parts of Bayo 2 that aren't vastly vastly superior are the Baldur fights.

>bayosisters arguing over which one of their mid games is the least worst

>>713554259
GOW was the best western action game. Also missing are the Spiderman games; Spiderman 1, 2, Ultimate, WOS and PS4 don't have fancy combat but they are very stylish

neo twewy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>713566758
>We have to assume Automata from these normies
the first nier was a dogshit action game
the posers in this board are so fucking retarded

>>713581043
I agree with almost everything, but Bayo 1 has better tech than Bayo 2.

Astral Chain is shit
Taura is a hack
Kamiya is a bigger hack
Okami 2 will take 5 years and will suck if it ever releases at all

>>713581043
>Better and more viable and diverse weapons
An extremely generalized statement that ultimately means nothing. Bayo 1 has a far superior selection of weapons with more thought put into how they work with punch/kicks
>Juggle protection so cunts can't avoid the primary mechanics
Irrelevant ultimately because Bayo 2 not only forces witch time as a main mechanic but it does it worse as the amount of witch time given varies on a move by move basis, you then have the retardedly strong devil trigger mode which in some cases the game is practically begging you to use.

Rest of your stuff is irrelevant and I have no clue how anyone can care about bayo 2's story. Bayo 1's isn't great but it does a serviceable job setting up characters and stakes.

Co-op is the only good point, it's cool, but it's not a main feature or anything.

>>713581284
>Okami 2 will take 5 years and will suck if it ever releases at all
I'm fine with all that so long as it means he doesn't get to touch DMC ever again and maybe Capcom will bother to put out a VJ port.

>>713581526
>Nuh uh
>I hate witch time
Thanks for proving my point.

>>713580780
I've literally never had to grind for anything in the game. The game gives you so much stuff all the time that you'll naturally get everything you want. It doesn't have any useless characters, either.

>>713581095
The best Spidey combat is either Web of Shadows for the style or the first Insomniac one for being a solid mixture of Arkham combat with Ratchet & Clank-style gadgets (which is something Morales & 2 kind of do away with). Hoping the Venom game comes out better than the series is trending.

>>713581158
Nier Replicant 47274738748388472783 is a comfy ass jrpg with a slightly dumber version of combat than Automata. It looks better than it plays and it doesn’t belong in the same category of other great action games such as Wanted Dead

>>713578008
DMC1 enemies are on average have more moves and are more complex and dangerous than the ones in DMC3 and it meshses with the mechanics much well. Every enemy in DMC1 is designed to be tackled in a certain way. in DMC3 a lot of the enemies are just very basic and a lot unironcially have like a single fucking move, I think only like 3 get new moves in DMD?

My argument isn't that DMC3 is a bad game or anything but my point was that DMC3 shifted game design quite a bit. While it had the core of slash, shoot, style it put a lot more emphasis on presentation and quality over quantity. I think it's most evident by just how bad DMC3's DMD mode is, which most people will agree with, when DMD was one of the coolest things DMC1 introduced and is supposed to be one of the most iconic features of DMC. DMC1 is an incredibly good game from an actual game design standpoint, it has some jank here and there but every move in dante's arsenal was made to have a real gameplay purpose that was actually meant to be used. In DMC3 you get a bunch of new weapons and you get the style system but the game is designed to let you win with any combo of that stuff and a lot of moves can feel useless and this design philosophy has stuck with the series ever since.

Again i'm not pointing out that this is a bad thing, just that DMC shifted from the first game having more traditional game design where they want you to use everything you acquire while DMC3 and beyond is more about giving you a wide array of tools to do what you want with and have fun

>>713574715
Crazy to see an anon who’s played a lot of these games here. I’m thinking of getting back to bayo 3 cause I remember really liking demon slave once I learned some tech. The performance and gimmick sections is what’s holding me back tho

What’s the best ACTION game I can get for PS5

>>713581974
> I think it's most evident by just how bad DMC3's DMD mode is, which most people will agree with, when DMD was one of the coolest things DMC1 introduced and is supposed to be one of the most iconic features of DMC
lol what the fuck

>>713581904
>says automata is for normies
>shills remakeslop instead

>>713582115
In terms of specifically PS5 releases and not backwards compatibility, it's either DMC5SE, Hi-Fi Rush, or Kunitsu-Gami. NG2 Black is an option as well, it's the best you'll get for NG2 on Playstation.

New kusoge parryslop dropped

>>713582207
You won’t convince me Nier Replicant 48377482882848 is somehow bad. Is it a great action game? No. The combat is rather subpar compared to other games. But it is a very good time. Literally has a classic survival horror chapter with fixed camera. What a treat it is to play the game while thinking it kind of sucks from snooty online bullshitters like you. Not as great as Automata but plenty of perspective changes and a simple jrpg trope story to get behind. Call me a “poser” for liking it, don’t care go fuck yourself I’ll fuck your mother and make her shake and fart on this dick

>>713581974
>DMC1 enemies are on average have more moves and are more complex and dangerous than the ones in DMC3 and it meshses with the mechanics much well.
Shadow has five moves. Hell Vanguard has four. The latter also doesn't need to punish you for trying to use melee in order to be dangerous.

There's a bunch of iffy enemies in DMC1. Kyklops is pretty decent but it has three moves. Sargasso has two moves, one of them is rare, and it basically exists just to be shotgunned. Same thing with Sin Scythes. I don't even know how many moves Frost has because they die immediately to Ifrit.

Yeah, a good amount of DMC3 enemies suck, as I already. They're *slightly* less complex than the enemies in DMC1, but that doesn't mean they are "quantity over quality" (I assume that's what you were trying to say). It simply means they were designed to be fought in mixed groups, which is obvious with enemies like the Damned Bishop or Hell Greed, which introduces strategy into the combat by letting you prioritize enemies at your own choice.

>DMC1 is an incredibly good game from an actual game design standpoint, it has some jank here and there but every move in dante's arsenal was made to have a real gameplay purpose that was actually meant to be used.
Dude Nightmare-B is literally useless. Force Edge and Sparda add nothing. DT moves reign supreme above all.

No, DMC1 isn't tightly designed at all.

>>713582130
It's not an unpopular opinion. Some will even say hard mode is better.

>>713581978
I played most of those games too, but I don't care enough to write a post as big as his

>>713580242
>>713580482
>it's the best bayo game
/ourguy/ approved

If Bayonetta 1 really is the best one then I’m gonna skip out on the rest

>>713582115
gow ragnarok

>>713582130
Yes. CAG players worth their salt agree DMD is fucked balance wise in 3.

>>713552534 (OP)
>scarlet nexus
SO underrated

>>713582656
>Shadow has five moves. Hell Vanguard has four.
You're literally cherry picking. Hell Vanguard are actually my favorite enemies to fight but even in DMD they don't use them nearly as much as they should. Far too many fights use the basic hells which are inarguably simplistic.
>quantity over quality
I was using that phrase to apply to the games philosophy as a whole. More enemies, more weapons, more mechanics, more bosses, more chapters, more game modes. There's just a lot MORE in this game...but it's all a mixed bag. DMC1 has some iffy levels too but i'd say DMC3 overall has a higher mix of bad levels compared to good and the same goes for bosses too. Some of the bosses are obviously very good and I think are much better than any of the ones in DMC1 but then you have so many massive stinkers including maybe the single worst boss in the series (excluding DMC2) in the form of fucking nightmare.
>Dude Nightmare-B is literally useless. Force Edge and Sparda add nothing.
Force edge and Sparda are obviously bonus weapons. I forgot nightmare-b existed i'll give you that but the game also gives you that super late
>DT moves reign supreme above all.
Not quite sure why you pointed that out....that applies to all games. No shit. That's why they're limited moves you can't just constantly do.

For me? it's the leviathan heart. It's not even a hard fight, it's just painstakingly boring and takes forever. The entire section of that game singlehandedly stops me whenever I try replaying 3

>>713584092
True, everyone shits on the gigapede and I don't blame them, but leviathan heart is a pure filler boss, you could remove it and it would be no great loss

>>713582115
NG2 Black

vanquish sucks even stranglehold is a better game

I think that NG4 fag was right

There are no action games anymore. It’s either turbo normie shit like GoW or Spider-Man or dying franchises like DMC and NG or some cringe anime looking shit or some 2D and 2.5D shit that looks uninspired and unplayable to most people or soulsborne shit

Post yfw your run ends because of an off-screen judecca

>>713552534 (OP)
thats a cool list and all but where the cute and funny video games?

>>713586708
>slices the ninja's head off
>proceeds to styling on his body

>>713586761
Why does nobody want to make a god hand clone...

>>713586109
>DMC and NG or some cringe anime looking shit
Anon...

>>713586109
Varvarion will never come out but Mori's game and his anime sluts are going to save this pseudo subgenre.

>>713587548
there's a clear difference between DMC/NG and something like Granblue Fantasy Relink

>>713586109
even without that fag telling you, tha fact that microsoft had to pay to make NG4 and platinum is doing it because team ninja is too busy chasing the soulslop money with nioh 3 should be enough of an indication

>>713552534 (OP)
Jrpgs should use platinum combat

>>713588107
Isn't that just FFXVI?

>>713554041
>Which one should I try next?
Suicide

>>713576502
It's faithful to the realistic and grimey look of the original series.

>>713588169
No that was dmc dumbed down and no weapon switching. Still better than souls slop tho.

>>713587415
Too hard :^(

>>713566465
>Sugma
>Good game
This nigger made one singular decent game and then failed at recapturing that magic until he got rightfully fired.

>>713588064
>nioh
>soulslop
poser can leave

>>713588448
Post comparison and be a clown

>>713588632
i played nioh 2 to death, the stamina system is still there to limit you on playing the game like all dogshit soulslop regardless of how good you can ki pulse

>>713588675
Please, go ahead and tell me how the new one is ruined by fog and a washed out color palette while the original was sharp and saturated.

>>713588819
The moves and characters retard. You also enjoyed swords clashing for 20 second and dreadlock kpop idol boss in original series?

>>713588632
Begone zoomer

>>713588790
Leave now poser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mDXnnVPFwE

>>713588632
It's soulshit with faster movement. Cope

>>713588920
Yes, I did enjoy extravagant prettyboy character designs in the original you fucking secondary. Kill yourself.

>>713552534 (OP)
>The only thing missing is a DMC 1 remake
It's time for KAMIya to reinvent the whole series, or maybe even the whole genre.

>>713589054
>posts endgame shit where stats and equipment are bruteforcing the mechanics away
show me that guy doing the same shit on a new game

>>713589054
Nice training dummy.

>>713589174
put sasaki in nu-onimusha next to him now

isnt mork really good at these types of games?

>>713566560
>It is the job of the consumer to save companies even if their products are crap
How about they just make a good game with a realistic budget and I will consider after sales and reviews.

>>713589202
As if you play DMD with 0 upgrade? Anyway now cope.
>LV1 NG+3 Tochibana Muneshige (Spear)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z53JPF03VZk

>>713589054
Every supposedly impressive Nioh clip I see is always the same boring 1v1, lock-on combat shit. How do you from Ninja Gaiden to this boring tripe?

>>713575654
proofs?

>>713589413
tell me what's happening here
https://youtu.be/z53JPF03VZk?si=opo115Hz9VYlzvTU&t=79

>>713574647
>>713574715
I only played about half that list but you're pretty much dead on. Will use that as reference for the next steam sale, thanks.

>>713589248
No. He has been replaced.

>>713589423
Yeah bro God Hand is also boring tripe, am I right?

>>713587415
I know and why doesnt Capcom release a remaster, closest you'll find are nu God of War and Evil West

>>713573308
The text adventure half way through the game is one of my favorite gaming moments of all time and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

>>713574719
Not that anon, but I'm a "play by release date" and "I'd rather play the original than the remaster/remake/rerelease" autist: is there REALLY no reason to touch the OG release of the first game????

>>713589584
When you're not fighting groups of enemies or Azel, yeah.

>>713589654
>or Azel
I accept your concession.

>>713589681
Having only 1 good boss isn't much of an accomplishment.

>>713589717
Incorrect

>>713589717
Good thing Team Ninja now has many good bosses in their games.

>>713589584
This dude thinks trident demons are good

>>713589808
Even Bayo 3 managed it, and it's the only good enemy in the game.

>>713589849
If you mean Nioh 1 human bosses before they started just giving them hyperarmor out the ass then yeah. But once that started they became boring like the yokai.

>>713589515

>>713575753
You faggots hate everything who cares

>>713590292
What the fuck is wrong with Capcom? The censorship on the Capcom Fighting Collection 2 is also not only psychotic, but completely fucking pointless. Like, who are these edits for?

>>713590669
>Like, who are these edits for?
contrarians

>>713590029
Nioh 1 human bosses have far more instances of hyperarmor than Nioh 2 human bosses do. Both have some attacks that just have it, but 1 is the game that gives almost all of them Living Weapon and then doubles down on it in later difficulties to the point they use it the moment the fight starts and immediately reactivate it the moment they're Ki broken, making them almost identical to yokai when it comes to how they actually function. Not only is there much fewer LW users in 2, they have much less Ki during it (the only exception being Yorimitsu) and put much more time in between LW activations, along with not using it from the start of the fight.

>>713552534 (OP)
All those games look like crap.

>>713566773
>CRANE GAME
so lazy, it just tells you they didn't care

>>713591124
And nioh 2 gives you the breaker attack to keep you aggressive. It's a much better game than the first 1.

>>713591460
Nioh 2 is better than 1, but both games are extremely good action games and very worth playing. It is just very silly how many people in these threads try to speak on the series while demonstrating they know very little about it if they're not purposefully lying.

>>713589178
>pic related
Kamiya bros... Why is he not proud of j-action now?

>>713591952
Nigga, I've sunk a good 30 hours into Nioh 1. Is that not enough? Yes, but the little I played of Nioh 2 was enough to see how much better it is than Nioh 1. Now I want to play all of Koei's Nioh-esque games

>>713592171
If you're the one that talked about the human bosses then clearly it's not enough because it's not a matter of time at all. If you're not then I don't know why you're saying that at all, the part about people saying stupid things about the series obviously doesn't apply to you. I'm glad you're enjoying the games, you've got a lot to look forward to so keep it up.

>>713592527
Nioh 1's main strategy is to rape the bosses as quickly as possible. The game doesn't allow you to do much else, although unpatched nioh on ps4 has things like juggling.

>>713577829
>No QTE cutscenes
Nigger, you have to do a QTE just to pick up collectables. It's gacha-tier

>>713593434
Don't reply to me anti-NG4 schizo. Stop entering our threads.

>>713593434
Retard

>>713593434
Go back to making your own threads and continue samefagging 50 posts, fucking piece of shit.

>>713591124
There's a stark difference in the dojo fights in the bosses ability to break out hitstun after an arbitrary number of hits and initiate a hyperarmored counter attack between the two games. That's boring design.

>>713594017
There is a small difference. Nioh 1 allows human bosses to block and potentially act after being hit far sooner on average. Neither are boring either. You definitely don't know what you're talking about.

>>713563592
Bosses should be able to guard after a hit or two so that they aren't stuck in a hitstun loop otherwise they would pose no challenge and would be pointless to even have a boss at this point. Also consider giving them brief hyper armor during certain attacks but don't rely on this too much otherwise they become annoying bullet sponges like souls bosses. There are other things to consider but finding the right balance is the real challenge when developing bosses imo.

>>713595293
But Mork said hyperarmor bqd

>>713566560
>>713568206
>>713568669
>SAAR REDEEM REDDIT GAIDEN 4 AT FULL PRICE MODERCHOD
nah, I'll just get it for free during free trial on gamepass instead

It's alright bros, I'm home from from work so now the real thread can start

>>713554041
>unenjoyed
Bro

>>713563592
stupid question, ask what the player can do before asking what the boss should be able to do

>>713575557
In reality it's just people roleplaying as retarded. Seriously, unlike rts action games are single player. These games just don't have enough longevity in them to warrant wanking to one game only. I have no idea how you can enjoy the genre and not play most if not all of them. You can play startcraft2 for thousands of hours thanks to pvp. With single player you get burned out at about 200 hours tops.

>>713560397
>wanted dead is a good game because [lists non-gameplay reasons]
LOL
Mork the game is shit, Itagaki is a hack

Wasn't Ragebound that cancelled dragon game from Platinum? Did they revive it?

When are they going to make Ninja Garden, starring Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden series?

>>713596984
you're thinking of scalebound, there is no relation between the two and ragebound is being made by a bunch of spanish cucks

>>713571368
Max filtered by slayer imilian

>>713580048
>>713579795
Bayo 1 is one of the best action games I've played and it is the best in the series because of the way it handles difficulty modes. Bayo 1 is the best because it appears to be designed around witch time, but when you get to NSIC WT gets turned off and you have to realize that the game is actually designed around dodge offset. Both bayo2 and 3 fail to deliver the same difficulty progression and balance.

>>713576120
>>713575937
Quick non-exhaustive list of Morks achievements
>1cced the hardest shmups ever made on his first attempt
>completely and utterly btfo the AAA industry so hard they blacklisted him
>regularly consults with indie devs to make their games better
>not only a brilliant shmupper, but a hardcore action player
>if that wasn't enough, he's also a god at fighting games, third strike being his favourite
>not to mention being a father
He truly is the king of kings

>>713580048
Exactly the opposite. If you prefer 2 and 3, you want bayo to play like dmc with defenseless enemies since both 2 and 3 are designed around witch time that stips enemies off of any protection.

>>713597001
>ultimate flower cutting technique

Given we apparently have a bunch of Bayo experts, can I get some specific advice on how to deal with Gracious and Glorious, Fairness and Fearless, on NSIC P/PP? And high level tips in general?
>dude dodge offset lmao
I know, I'd put my skill level at medium to late intermediate, I need to know how to really get that push into a new level of skill

>>713597001
After they make Ninja Gaiden Xtreme, which is all about Ryu taking a 2 week break and going on a holiday on a tropical island. Ryu relaxing on the beach, playing games in the pool, going on jet skis, rock climbing, playing beach volleyball.

>>713597507
Yeah, the answer is dodge offset. The other important thing to note is that enemies' attacks depend on the distance between you. Some enemies are better kept close like Fairness and Fearless for example, and in general it makes enemies more predictable.

>>713578076
Played Ninja Gaiden 2 Black recently and saw this webm and other OG footage and for some reason i keep thinking why does OG look less gory for some reason.
Only now i realized that OG doesn't have any of the characters get covered in blood.
2 Black has enemies and Ryu being covered.

>>713597685
It's nice that characters get covered in blood, but the blood itself looks way worse in 2 black compared to OG.

>>713597685
plus having the females be covered in blood makes them weirdly hotter

>>713597658
But I mean more than dodge offset
Like what are the benefits of the other weapons, how can I get used to more combos than just the 8 or so I use all the time?

>>713594439
Okay, but you didn't address any of anon's points

>>713577829
>NG4 will be the best game in series
Bait used to be believable.

>>713597839
Considering you tards think fucking 2 is the pinnacle of gaming, nothing you say means anything

>>713557050
wanted dead (but unironically)
>>713560397
you sound like a yakuza fan, i commend you for liking the game but kill yourself

>>713593543
>>713593551
>>713593738
I don't know who (You) think I am but if a statement of fact triggers you so much you need to comment 3 times in a row maybe you need to chill out before opening this website.

>>713557050
Oneechanbara Z2 Chaos, how many times

>>713597839
3 had tons of these and a lot of them even makes you do kunai climbing right after lmao

>>713597878
Whatever helps you cope, rashneed.

>>713597990
2 is literal shovelware
Oh I'm sorry, the hack director that literally got fired for not being able to produce a FUCKING FIGHTING GAME LMAO said it was the greatest game on the greatest console
LMFAO

>>713597802
Experiment with the charge properties of the other weapons and see what you like. Some weapons are easier to use in that regard. For example I almost never use the sword's charge as an actual attack, just to dodge offset.

>>713557050
Sekiro and Nioh 2.

>>713593434
brown NG4 indian shills hate when you point this out >>713597990

>>713552534 (OP)
for me, it's Devil's Third

Why is it that despite your fervor for the games, whenever I ask actual, specific questions about enemy design, parts of levels etc, you people never answer me or you just go "hit the enemies lol :^)"

>>713597926
It's some buttblasted indian intern from microdicksoft, likely being paid with rupees per post to shill here.

>>713598623
post master ninja clear for ANY ninja gaiden game

Step aside when the NG GODS are in the thread
We have ascended so far we don't even play our game

>>713598791
Uh that's his emu copy, his Xbox save is 100%
I trust mork

>>713598513
Isn't that an uncharted-like?

>>713597839
modern Platinum and most devs in general love these nothing segments
they're all over the place in Bayo 3, just walking around doing absolutely nothing for 'muh pacing'

>>713552534 (OP)
whats the appeal of hitting moving sandbags called enemies in these games?

>>713599172
you can't even blame platinum for this since NG3 had the same sequences more than a decade ago

Holy shit I think I finally worked out the way to do high ranking runs
Just play through the chapter
Do your best, do well, but don't restart constantly if you get hit
Jesus fuck, playing it this way is way better, I used to restart verses if I got hit

I'm about to post my gameplay, do NOT bully me

I'm still mad

>>713600680
I STILL BELIEVE

>>713574634
I agree, it was a hacky fix for his styles being individually underwhelming in 4 and outright lazy to not revise it or do away with it in 5.
There's no reason to get rid of any moves or depth, simply to get rid of the middle step of switching between styles, incorporating all of them into the each of the weapon's base kit and control scheme.

In fact, there's a controller layout configuration done through steaminput that allows something like this already and it's brillant. It has some drawbacks due to being just a custom config instead of a proper solution cooked up by Capcom. Think you can find it by looking for "Dante Style Synergy Moveset."

https://files.catbox.moe/yivvxh.mp4
check it out bros

>>713601097

>>713601425
what emotion is this conveying

>>713553052
He won't.
Unless the game is high budget normie slop with QTE's, it doesn't count

>>713552534 (OP)
Most sixth generation games only need upscaling. I don't see any point in keeping a dying and heavy CRT when the game doesn't need it. Only some 240p games are improved with a CRT. I started Yakuza HD on Wii U and didn't see any problems on my 2012 LED.

which games should I avoid if I hate the dial-a-combo stuff with complicated inputs and tons of different moves?
I think Bayonetta is like this

>>713602553
>haven't even played the genre
>hurr durr here's my opinion on the mechanics

>>713565538
The samurai jack former Ng devs are the same people that made wanted dead you smarty pants

>>713602553
probably just stick to dmc1 and like zelda I guess bro

>>713602553
Bayonetta allows you to cancel any part of the string. Learn to dodge offset

Verse 6 in chapter XV of Bayonetta is absolutely killing my will to live
5 wheel guys that all attack you at once, can go off screen and attack you from there, in a tiny enclosed staircase, followed by Gracious and Glorious
fucking kill me

What the fuck is this faggot shit

>>713603068
Its a popular online but niche enough that no one will know what you're talking about offline concept, perfect for grifters

>>713552534 (OP)
I really prefer the name "Japanese Action Violence" that one anon suggested in the other thread. Yes it's excludes GoW PS2 but it's the exception and not the rule. You can make WAV threads for stuff like that and Darksiders.

>>713602553
None of them.
All games in this genre have
A: Extremely lax timing
B: Simple inputs (literally what fucking input in DMC, Bayonetta, Assault Spy, Blood Moon.. etc etc etc is actually hard?)
C: Extremely imbalanced movesets, so 90% of what you can do honestly does not matter at all

>>713603336
Let me guess, you're a fightingpiggy

>>713603336
he probably thinks you need to play like those turbo autistic dmc4 combo videos to actually play the game (you don't)

>>713603381
No, I'm actually really bad at fighting games and don't really enjoy them.
If you disagree, can you counter anything I said, rather than strawman?

>>713603447
I remember watching a streamer play DMC5 before I upgraded my PC to play it, one known for DMC4 and all he did was spam spastic as fuck aerial moves on enemies who can't fight back in the air and whine it was too easy.
He WAS right that DMC5 is too easy (takes until fucking DMD for enemies to have any real hp), but its such a retarded way to play. You can get to SSS consistently on all 3 characters in max 3 actions.

>>713603553
>you have to perfectly refute everything i said despite the original post being a strawman
Post your gameplay

>>713603336
>inputs

is a 3D game

>lax timing

Try any difficult combo on the controller or keyboard. It's even harder than 2D fighting games

>Imbalanced moveset

That's where I agree with fightfags and point out that “action” games are like fighting games, but without the PVP part. And if the game has a boring campaign, these problems are exacerbated.

>>713603553
those people that do the dmc combo videos aren't playing for difficulty they're playing to do goofy combos its the same type of people that hop in fighting games to grind out a stupid unoptimal infinites for the memes vs just learning normal combo routes and playing the game normally

>>713603580
I'm going to go out and buy a new mop.
You are the cancer killing this community.
Literally incapable of holding a basic conversation.

>>713603676
>ask to post gameplay
>you don't
>somehow I"M the cancerous one
I see I see

>>713603673
nta but like give me a difficult combo then. i have dmc 5 installed with all weapons unlocked. what exactly do you consider 'difficult'

>>713603768
Punchline into SSS juggle into rawhide into not thinking about her into tomboy full combo into megaman buster cannon

>>713603874
man i dont even play nero, couldnt have done dante? i need to google what sss punchline combo even is
also no dlc weapons ffs

>>713603673
>>713603553
>Wanting action games to be like fighting games
I like being able to play action games out of the gate rather than being forced to spend thousands of hours on practice mode and memorizing frame data before I'm allowed to to touch the game.

>>713603938
>i have dmc 5
>don't play nero
???
Also I was just shitposting, but if you want to stream your gameplay I'm down to watch it
I keep wanting people to just play games and share the joy, but no one ever does

>>713603959
Literally who the fuck did you quote who said they want DMC5 to be like fighting games.
Christ this community is legitimately retarded.
Let me read it for you:
Post 1: The inputs aren't hard
This is NOT saying they should be, you fucking retard
Post 2: "3D game" (fuck does this have to do with anything)

>>713603959
Where do you tards get your ideas about games from

>>713603768
Any BNB combo is pretty difficult in DMC, especially in the older games in the series.

>>713604019
If I want to play Nero I play DMC4 . Outside of the nerf of that, like 2 new sword moves and some gimmicky consumables, he's essentially the same but 4 has a more satisfying gun, invul grabs and the more fun to fight angel enemies that don't take 50 years to actually die

>>713603068
redditards celebrating and promoting tranny suicide month

>>713604123
such as what
give me a fucking combo

All the fighting in this thread keeps proving >>713575557 right.

People are discussing things
Action gaming has fallen
Billions must get D ranks

>>713553052
>Don't know if it'll live up to the near decade of hype
Haven't been keeping up but the game looks like the most generic, chinkest action ever made. People were really hyped for this for over a decade?
Ever Crimson Desert looks better.

>>713553052
>>713604443
Lost Soul got hyped for looking impressive for a solo dev like a decade ago.
Now its not been a solo dev for something like 6 years AND china is constantly producing games that look the same or better, most of which SUCK, so there's no real novelty or reason to assume it'll be good.,

>>713583326
>What is DT Explosion
Fucking casual

>>713603336
if you expect me to memorize all this shit then you've got another thing coming

>>713606551
>bro cant memorize mashing 1 button

>even itagaki is making a souls like

It's so over

>>713607326
Citation needed.

>>713574634
If by "discussion" you mean your admittance they can't git gud then sure. DMCs controls are extremely simplistic and style switching is so simple a baby could do it, what you always propose is more complicated.

>>713607478
https://youtu.be/kjTYezJ2T0w

>>713607667
god chinkshit is so gross

>>713601095
>outright lazy to not revise it or do away with it in 5
Capcom and Itsuno felt obligated to "respect" the core of Dante's gameplay after the backlash against DmC.

>>713552534 (OP)
Played, finished, good:
DMC4SE
DmC
Nier Automata
DMC5

Played, unfinished, good:
Furi
Sifu

Played, unfinished, bored:
Astral Chain
Final Fantasy XVI

Want to play:
Trans Devastation
Assault Spy
Bayonetta 3
The World Ends With You 2
Soulstice
Hi-Fi Rush
SlaveZeroX
Magenta
GranBlue Relink
Lost Soul Aside (it all depends on how jank it is)
NG4
Shinobi
NGR
Morbid Metal
Enenra
Edge of Memories

>>713589651
>is there REALLY no reason to touch the OG release of the first game????
There are differences but again most of the big ones in sigma make the game better but black is still very solid. Black, while being a bit more outdated, does have a stronger visual aesthetic and there are some unique costumes to that game if you would even care.

And you'll get "cool guy" points if you play Black first, if that even matters to you. You can play Sigma later and see the differences and can be one of the few that tell the waning "BLACK IS BEST" fags that they're wrong.

>>713597926
>>713598623
Retard.

REMINDER:
DMC 5 is one of the worst games ever made

>>713608768
Its literally and unironically one of the best ever, we may never see such kino ever again

>>713597878
>Every NG fan is a 2fag
nice boogeyman bro

>>713607326
>>713607667
>>713607774
Oh, it's better than that: it's a NFT game.

>>713552534 (OP)
>3
two and a remake, we don't count them like corporate

>>713609182
>chinese NFT MMORPG

>>713553804
what is the point
you just play the same levels as dante and nero in the vanilla game anyway

>>713553804
That's not correct at all, I enjoy the campaign.

>>713553804
I prefer playing the campaigns in dmc to bloody palace.

>>713608613
Of those I've only played Transformers Devastation, DMC4SE, Assault Spy, DMC5, Soulstice, Hi-Fi Rush, Nier Automata and Scarlet Nexus.
Loved all of them except Nier Automata which I liked but not to that point and hated the fuck out of Scarlet Nexus.

The only ones that haven't played and interest me are Lollipop Chainsaw and the Ninja Gaidens.

>>713609182
I wish the internet was never invented

>>713609483
I don't understand. Why did you not like Automata?

>>713609561
It's a shitty movie game with alright combat you never get to use.

>>713609561
?
I never said I didn't like Nier Automata

>>713553804
dmc4 has less bad level design and arenas than dmc 5 overall. It's a fact
>>713609453
Funny, I'm the opposite, especially in 4 and 5 because terrain in campaigns doesn't matter. In 3 I like both almost equally.

>>713609679
>dmc4 has less bad level design and arenas than dmc 5
I love how you hate DMC5 so much you pretend the whole spinning top shit is good.

>>713609607
You're not him and a baitard. Automata couldn't be less of a movie game if it wanted.

>>713609615
Granted. Why did you not love it?

>>713609773
I don't care about the tops. The boring dice was the shittiest part.

>>713575502
It's not about what is or isn't necessary, it's more about switching styles being obnoxious to execute when ultimately you're doing it just to unlock simplistic actions. Yeah obviously you don't need to use any of the styles at all, DMC4 and 5 know the average player is not gonna be utilizing more than one style per encounter so they have to design it in a similar way to 3.

You might think this is good at a surface level but because of this philosophy, it stops them from designing encounters around players being expected to use not just any of the styles but multiple of them. Cerberus is the closest you get to a style being super useful since the swordmaster attacks let you stun enemies a lot quicker with the electric attacks which is extremely useful vs certain enemies.

>>713575824
People need to understand that it's actually bad that the game doesn't expect you to utilize styles.

>>713607624
DMC4/5's controls for Dante specifically are unironically poorly designed and if you want to utilize multiple styles on the fly fast you have to put your hands in an extremely awkward position to do so. This is an objectively a flaw and only a spaz would think it's good to lock behind simplistic actions being awkward inputs.

It's not about how it's a complicated input, since at the surface yes it's simple but it's more about the execution required if you want to do these abilities fast and how this execution wouldn't exist if the control scheme was designed better.

>>713609785
Because it's not a proper action game: it's a narrative-focused open world RPG with a lot of non-action parts. The RPG part harms the combat and on top of walking everywhere (quick travel doesn't really fix the issue) you're forced to go through a lot of dead time.
Presentation is excellent but it was tedious to play at times. I mean, almost half of the game you play as 9S, who's intended to just hack everything rather than engaging on the combat.

>>713607667
>2 years ago
This shit is old, thought you were talking about his upcoming game.

>>713610357
That's his incoming game.

>Max has everyone basedfacing over Spirit X Strike
God please no this game is awful and I don't want a million copycats popping up fuck no

>>713610357
That is his only announced game. He's a whore who only goes after money and single player action games aren't the cash cow anymore. He copied cod with devils turd.

>>713610290
Guess that chalks it up to different preferences. The "dead time" in Automata was never that for me. I was engaged through all different sections of the game.
I barely hacked anything with 9S. You knew you could just not hack things, right?

>>713589651
>>713608721
Why do people pretend Sigma and Black aren't entirely different games
Literally - the source was lost and Sigma was rebuilt from scratch and they fucked up a lot

>>713610504
Anything that isn't rollslop is a plus

>>713583994
>You're literally cherry picking.
No I'm not, what? Both are examples of how complex each games' enemies get and they're not that far away. Same with the simpler enemies, the difference between one attack and two isn't that big.

Compare that to Nobody in DMC5 which has three goddamn attack phases each with their own stats and attacks. That's an enemy much more complex than either game has.

>more chapters
DMC3 actually has less missions than DMC1. I'm beginning to think you haven't played either game a lot.

>DMC1 has some iffy levels too but i'd say DMC3 overall has a higher mix of bad levels compared to good and the same goes for bosses too.
No, this is just wrong. Just compare the "you got a key item that's killing you" level in each game. In DMC3 it's a cool moment where you get infinite DT but are constantly getting damaged. In DMC1 you get a clock and can finish the mission in like a minute.

Yeah, DMC3 has some gimmicky bosses, but they're just that and the game treats them like that, whereas DMC1 has Nightmare, Griffon 2 and Mundus, and you're supposed to take them seriously.

>Force edge and Sparda are obviously bonus weapons.
Bro getting Sparda is a massive story beat, it's not a "bonus".

Did you know it will completely deplete your DT if you equip it and then switch back to the other DAs. Go have fun with that!

>Not quite sure why you pointed that out....that applies to all games.
Not to the extend it does in DMC1. You can't just pop DT and then spam Inferno or Air Raid in the other games. The closest thing to that is DTE in DMC3 but that's not a good mechanic either lol.

>>713603068
LMAO
Yeah that place is fucked

>>713610612
Anon, no.
Go grab the game from cs rin so you don't have to waste ten bucks and just play through a stage or two
It's parryslop to the extreme without any of the good elements of something like Sekiro. All you fucking do is perfect dodge and perfect parry. Bosses are just standing there perfect parrying long strings while the boss spazzes out with full hyper armor.

>>713599343
Nothing wrong with that, it helps a lot with hunting pp's. The game over score reduction is redundant.

>>713610731
>>713603068
>angry retards don't get that their chosen niche is completely dominated socially by LGBTQ
You're cute

>>713610552
When I play an action game the last thing I want to do is walking around talking to NPCs and doing errands. If you like to do that then more power to you but don't get offended when people who want a focused action game don't like it.

>You knew you could just not hack things, right?
Except 9S played like shit because Platinum and Taro wanted you to simply hack things rather than having a terrible time fighting anything.
By that logic DMC2 is an excellent game if you don't use your gun.

>>713610552
NTA but you're clearly supposed to do a lot of hacking and the combat itself on everyone is cheap and spammy.
As an action game it's bad
As an RPG it's ok
As a story it's good

>>713604073
Mork!

>>713606551
Dude what are you on about? You don't have to memorize shit in bayo. Once you learn dodge offset you will be able to just play around with the strings finding the few combo enders that you like and stick with those. And the combo structure is the same for all weapons.

>>713610832
>reddit is trannycentral
no shit sherlock

>>713603959
>Has never played a fighting game in his life
>All his opinions are text regurgitated by skill less retards on the internet
>>713606551
Absolute BRAINLET. My fucking god. I can't actually believe people who have a difficult time "remembering" THAT exists. LMAO

>>713610839
I didn't have a terrible time at all. /shrug

>>713610947
The game is very free form in it's combat. It can be as sophisticated as you want or as retarded as a streamer playing DMC5 hitting triangle the whole game wondering why no combos are happening.

https://youtu.be/ZAe4i5RnmuQ?t=43

>>713583994
Also, you act as if DMC3 introduces a morbillion different moves for weapons and styles that are so niche you're never going to be using them, but that's just not how the game works.

The Devil Arms share the same types of moves (a Stinger equivalent, a High Time equivalent, a pair of ground combos) with the big outliers being Cerberus and Nevan which lack regular specials and normal combos respectively. It's mainly the aerial moves that add real variety to the DAs. Even Swordmaster mostly reuses the same types of moves with some exceptions like Real Impact, Ice Age and Dance Macabre.

You choose the weapons depending on whether you want crowd control or you'll fight an enemy weak to their damage type.

Something similar happens with the guns. Gunslinger just adds crowd control and maybe one extra strong attack or Crazy Combo. E&I and Shotgun work the same as in DMC1 and KA and Spiral are just two variants of the same heavy weapon idea. Only Artemis is really out there, and just like Nightmare-B it sucks.

Yes, the game gives you options you don't have to use; any game of this type is going to do this. Even DMC1 does this since Kick 13/Magma Drive and Stinger/High Time fulfill the same roles. But it's not like there's options just to be there, the stuff in DMC3 works perfectly in its context (with some exceptions).

>>713606551
You're an actual brainlet.

>>713611404
>I can't read
Action games and retro games and action retro games are LGBTQ-dominated. Deal with it.

>>713611476
>the game is very-
Nigger I've played the game, the combat is ultra basic.
>BRO COMBO MAD VIDEO
god I hate you people so much

>>713552534 (OP)
bro ninja gaiden reboot is a 2d platformer not stylish action

>>713611737
>stylish action
Doesn't exist.

>>713611660
>le action games are le tranny coded because leddit said so
go back and kys redditroon

>>713611918
Literally since DMC1 little bro. Keep up

>immaculately designed combat
God Hand
DMC5
NG Black
>Well-designed combat with minor flaws
DMC4
Hi-Fi Rush
Transformers Devastation
Sifu
Bayo
>Fun combat with giant glaring flaws
NG2
Bayo 3
Samurai Jack
Nier Automata
TWEWY
>Dogshit combat that belongs nowhere near this list
Everything else but emphasis on Astral Chain and Lollipop Chainsaw and DmC being straight garbage.

>>713611970
>le le le
sounds like I'm not the one that needs to go back
if you think the fans and players of these games aren't predominantly LGBTQ you're in deep DEEP denial

>>713586124
Updated version at higher resolution with a reverse parry instead.

I wish rpgs used ngb combat instead of souls

>>713612408
Sam was the absolute best gameplay Revengeance had. I hope Yakumo plays like him.

>>713611660
What is your issue with combo videos?

>>713606694
>>713611036
>>713611476
>>713611636
I hate all of you

>>713612398
Go back

>>713612616
>Literally too stupid to understand Dial combos

>>713612550
>I hope Yakumo plays like him.
No one tell him

>>713611476
>Has to spend one minute or more smacking a single enemy and repeating the same two actions again and again and again
See? This is the issue with Automata's combat. With 9S they wanted you to simply blow up enemies with hacking.

>>713612616
Bro you just practice lmao

Why you never see the Senran Kagura franchise being discussed on these threads?

>>713612398
>redditroons are predominantly trannies
we've already established this several posts ago, now go back and jump off a bridge faggot

>>713612585
I've been around for a long time, since before the start of the original cuhrazy threads, and combo video dickriders destroyed the topic forever. It's absolutely insufferable.
Combo videos like those from donguri are interesting looks at niche uses of mechanics in these games but retards started thinking that being able to do infinite juggle combos was the mark of a good game at the exclusion of everything else that goes into a combat system and that having practiced a year long combo is the same as being good at a game. It infected every other action game community and now we have shit like "LE EBIC COMBO MAD" for games like God Hand where combos aren't even a thing outside of the easiest difficulty. It also attracted countless Indians and Indonesians that shit up the threads and chat servers then and now.
COMBO MAD is why we can't have nice things.

>>713612921
>another illiterate has entered the game
>>713612630
>extreme denial

Retro gaming is 80% gays and transexuals.
Deal with it.
Whether that means growing up and not caring about which people like the things you like or fucking off forever, I don't really care.

>>713612729
For someone who lacks creativity, definitely.

>>713612918
Basic coomer shit. The other game is better.

>>713612918
Why the fuck would we talk about coomer musou kusoge

>>713609182
So did this actually happen?

>>713612943
>retards started thinking that infinite juggle combos was the mark of a good game
This

>>713612918
Look at this thread and tell you want SK to be talked about, just use the actual SK threads

>>713612943
case in point: >>713613096

>>713613060
>reddit is 80% gays and trannies
water is wet and ywnbaw, redditroon

>>713613060
Next you will tell me the modern audience is the majority of the market. They are miniscule in every space they try to infect.

>>713613435
>Next you will tell me the modern audience is the majority of the market
Anon what you just said is a tautology
God damn you're stupid

>>713612918
It has its own threads. It's also better than half the games in OP's pic

>>713613486
>He actually thinks the modern audience is real
Grim

>>713612729
Do you understand that nothing is forcing you to hack enemies? You still have access to pretty much all the options in the game. The combat is our playground to do as you wish.
A combo video is just some ideas that the maker came up with in a sequential order. You can do whatever you want.

>>713613096
Summed it up pretty nicely, >>713612729. You want the game to tell you what to do.

>>713612943
I don't understand that perspective, at all. What others do or say have almost zero impact in my opinion or enjoyment of a subject.
I'm sorry but I just can't fathom that.

>>713613556
I don't think you know what the words you're using actually mean

>>713613581
Protip, more than one person thinks you're retard

>>713613569
>The combat is our playground
You're exactly the kind of faggot I'm talking about.
>What others do or say have almost zero impact in my opinion or enjoyment of a subject
That's a stupid thing to say. If you had said it doesn't impact your enjoyment of the games that'd be one thing, but you're saying the state of the community doesn't impact your interaction with the community. That's retarded.

>>713612943
>It also attracted countless Indians and Indonesians that shit up the threads
I would be very surprised if it was a location issue. DMC fags completely kill all discussion about action games because they are easily one of the most annoying fanbases on here.

>>713612943
This is only a problem with DMC, other games don't have this issue

>>713613665
>the state of the community doesn't impact your interaction with the community.
Exactly. It doesn't.

>>713613712
That's not it, indonesians started playing PS2 games after emulation became widely available on phone during covid. Then they discovered God Hand and are playing with infinite HP and roulette wheels and save states.

>>713613647
>Protip: more than one person think you're retarded
FTFY
C+ study english further before posting

>>713613712
It's not a location issue or a race issue, it's a social invalid issue. Combine the massive social differences between American/Western society and east-Asian society with the fact that people deciding to spend their time speaking broken english to gush about 20 year old games are weirdo sperg outcasts and you can see why they tend to shit up spaces they enter.

>>713613767
You're just wrong. It's happening in this thread with Nier Automata and happens constantly with titles like God Hand or Xillia or a million smaller titles. Literally any game with any kind of connection to "stylish action."

>>713613915
Retard

>>713613884
They also were so abusive towards the creator of AetherSX2 (the phone PCSX2 branch) that he left the internet and took everything down and now there's a hundred bootleg AetherSX2 uploads filled with malware.
>>713613954
you lost

>>713613915
>or Xillia
Every single Tales has had combo videos for over a decade, that's not modern internet's fault. Some of the oldest Tales videos on youtube are Japanese tales combo vids

>>713614131
>Every single Tales has had combo videos for over a decade
Anon what I'm talking about has gone completely over your head.

>>713613915
it's thinks
F

>>713613989
Retard.

>>713614170
I understood it perfectly, I'm saying you're mis blaming the subject. Combo videos are not the issue, modern internet is the problem. People 10 years ago had no issue with this this is just because of places like india getting internet access and figuratively shitting up the internet like their literal shit homes.

>action game thread is dogshit filled with ESL's and combo faggots lost confused bigots
what else is new

>>713613915
>kvetches about SEAmonkeys
>It's not a location issue or a race issue
Fence-sitting faggot.

Trish owes me sex

>>713614335
Sunhilegend with his indian slowmo shit is the new donguri.

>This thread

>>713575557
Is right you faggots are the worse.

>>713614335
Anon I was here and I can tell you definitively that this shit was bad ten years ago (and earlier) with the original cuhrazy generals.
Xillia 2 came out in 2012 and retards calling it amazing because of million-year-long chain combos were absolutely insufferable.

>>713614460
>Literally ever reply on twitter uses the same Sunhilegend vergil clip now
Kill all twitter users

>>713614349
>Muh bigots
>Calls others ESLs

>>713614349
dial8

>>713590669
Crapcom is pozzed now, they even train their devs about western bullshit like muh male gaze and whatnot

>>713613569
>The combat is our playground
yeah this is why i prefer fighting games
blazblue central fiction has jump cancel just like dmc

>>713610595
You're a retard who can't even parrot the opinion right.

You're thinking of NG2 vs NG2 sigma you fucking retard. We're talking about the first game, which is not "entirely different"