Thread 713560167

Is this shit worth playing today? Was it actually the best game released in 1998?

A quick google search tells me it's not even top 5 games released in 1998

>>713560348
Glitchwave.com

>>713560676
Desperately trying to be different but that doesn't change reality. No one was running to the gamestore to pick up fallout 2. New vegas metal gear Crash Spyro etc had people lining up

Why do you need validation from other people to enjoy something.

>>713560167 (OP)
>>713560676
>1998
Shadow tower, aka Fromsofts best game

>>713561003
I don’t I just don’t want to get a rom and set it all up if it’s shit

As a person who has modded Fallout 1 (see pic):

Fallout 2 is for real RPG heads who want real roleplaying with stats that influence your gameplay and endings. Fallout 1 is for fans of visual novels

>>713561183
It takes 5 minutes to download and install. Anymore non-arguments?

>>713560942
>Appeal to normalfag

>>713560167 (OP)
>Is this shit worth playing today?
Yes, but play Fallout 1 first.
>Was it actually the best game released in 1998?
Debatable. It's definitely my favorite game from 1998, but that was a year full of great games, and I could understand people arguing that some of the others from that year were better.

>>713561349
>with stats that influence your gameplay and endings
what stat influences your endings in fallout 2?

>>713560167 (OP)
Nah 1998 bunch of other, better games. Fallout 2 is mostly the same game again but with more content and shittier writing. Great game still.

>>713562319
>1998 bunch of other, better games
only 3 games better than it, don't exaggerate

>>713562264
Well there's a couple that are entirely based on your ability to negotiate between two sides that require good stats

>>713562264
With good Strength or Charisma you can fuck Bishop's wife and your child grows up to conquer New Reno.

>>713560167 (OP)
You need to download several mods to make it playable.
The experience is
>start with no guns
>encounters every 2 steps
>ALL encounters throughout the ENTIRE game are 8-10 enemies
>if anyone has a burst fire gun, you're dead
>any enclave patrols kill you on the first turn (they have max combat special so always go first)
>if you deviate one inch from the intended playthrough (which you're not told), you will not get real guns until you go to the bottom of the map, at which point you will get all endgame weapons and armour

The game's writing is political, disjointed, and hostile. The quest dialogue is mostly unfinished and the one major mod for the game has had fans complete the cut content of only a few of them, and replace some maps with better ones such as the ship's hold no longer being a shitty room.

If you liked Fallout 1, you might find yourself hating Fallout 2 because it's by different people, has a different philosophy, and plainly does not want to be played.

>>713562930
Just lies all the way down. How are you this gay and retarded?

>>713563071
>start with no guns
>a lie
Fallout 2 fans are in an eternal cope state, unable to face the reality of their inferior game

>>713562563
>walk upstairs in the Bishop's place
>daughter says "Let's fuck!"
>don't say no
>you get the ending
There are no requirements for this except to not carry a condom and probably to not wear power armour at the time.
The Bishops are whores.

>>713560167 (OP)
Play the first one if you want to try out a boomer Fallout, I think it does a better job even though it's probably even more unfinished than 2 is.

>>713563320
>even though it's probably even more unfinished than 2
i assume this is just conjecture?

>>713563447
Boneyard is unfinished trash

>>713560167 (OP)
Sure.
No.

fallout 1 is good but feels very barren
fallout 2 is good but it's full of reddit writing

just play arcanum

>>713560676
>Faggotwave
Why would you ever listen to what mumblerap fans think about video games?

>>713563447
I mean obviously. But with 2 there's a whole bunch of random quests unrelated to your main quest you can do in most of the areas, while in the first one there's a bunch of areas that are barely used with possibly a quest hidden somewhere if you know where to look. Still 1 feels more cohesive overall as it's not just a bunch of random references stringed together.

>>713563071
Forgive me but isn't it only Fallout 1 where you're given a 10mm (with or without small guns tagged?) and in 2 you HAVE to reach Trapper Town to find your first gun?
I can't remember if the sharpened spear is a restoration project SPECIAL check (and a check that you aren't a sexy man), or if you can do that base game.

I do know that healing powder fucking sucks and if you're a melee build, it's good early but you basically get trapped mid-late with the only weapon upgrades being a hidden dialogue baseball bat and... I can't remember if the super sledge has decent AP requirements or I used something else or I graduated to one of the bullshit LMGs that delete most enemies.

>>713560167 (OP)
Of course it is. Fallout 1 and 2 is honestly the few CRPGs everyone can get into. I suggest some mods to make the experience even better:

For Fallout 1 get Fallout Fixt as it will fix a ton of bugs, add children back into the game (Steam has some weird European-American version and not the original American version) and in general make the game a lot smoother.

For Fallout too, grab the UPU (Unofficial Patch Updated). If you want it, you can also grab the Restoration Patch. If you do get the restoration patch, I really love this mod: Restoration Project - Talking Heads Addon
Found at:
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout2/mods/45

It adds over 160+ animated talking head portraits to various NPCs, some of them with actual voice acting. It takes an already fantastic game and makes it even better. You only need UPU, Restoration Project + The talking heads mod really, really, makes a difference in my opinion.

>>713563698
>Forgive me but isn't it only Fallout 1 where you're given a 10mm (with or without small guns tagged?) and in 2 you HAVE to reach Trapper Town to find your first gun?
I remember that too, the first guns you can find are in Klamath. Pretty close, but still a little bit annoying. In one thread I saw someone posting that one of the tribals gives you a gun in the starting village but if I had to guess that's from a restoration(?) modpack.

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Pipe_rifle_(Fallout_2)
>In Vic's in Klamath Downtown.
>In the empty gun shop in Northern Trapper Town.

>>713560167 (OP)
Fallout 1 and 2 are both worth playing. Ideally back to back and the fan patched versions of both. Fallout 1/2 are among the geatest CRPGs ever.jjd2gw

2's really good early on but falls off hard post New-Reno

>>713564191
Baldur's Gate 3 mogs both

>>713564090
I still can't believe the tutorial's default way to complete it is to steal the key, because theft tests are based on weight and it's a weightless item, and it's not actually a combat test because only unarmed builds that haven't taken much damage from the giant ants and poisonous scorpions can fight him.

I did like reading one story online about someone critting him on their first playthrough and the entire village being hostile.

>>713560348
>i need google to tell me what's good
What?

>>713560167 (OP)
yeah both FO1 and 2 are worth playing, if you can get them to run. For some reason even with mods that fix issues with FO2 the game will crash when shooting a gun, so I haven't really been able to finish my replay of 2 on my new PC. shame too, FO1 worked just fine.

>>713560676
that website is fucking atrocious

>>713564726
No you fucking retard I need google to tell me what was released back then because when I was 4 I had no concept of time

>>713563242
>everything is lies
>oh yeah about the one thing I didn't lie about
telling on yourself there

>>713564647
>default
Maybe it's "easier", but I'm not sure if that qualifies it as being default. I don't remember having much problem with talking either if you have speech tagged, and I didn't think it was the most difficult fight, but maybe I'm just too good at "back up 3 hexes so the ants don't have enough AP to bite you" strats.

>>713560167 (OP)
Not even close when it's up against the likes of:

MGS
Last Blade 2
RE2
Panzer Saga
Daytona 2
Thief
Real Bout FF 2
Half Life
Blazing Star
Lunar Silver Star Complete
Radiant Silvergun
Ridge Racer 4
Rockman and Forte
Brave Fencer Musashi
Legend of Legaia
Astra Superstars
Metal Slug 2
Goemon N64
etc etc etc

>>713564943
first that wasn't me
second you are admitting to lying in your own post, how do you expect me to take you seriously

>>713564894
kill yourself fucking zoomer

>>713565046
that also wasn't my post, and I think it's reasonable to say a post is all lies when it contains a ratio of 5 lies to 1 one truth.

>>713565032
Literally all of that shit is garbage besides MGS and RE2

>>713560167 (OP)
It's fantastic but think it's too outdated for anyone that didn't play it when it was new. Combat can be super slow when a lot of people are involved and you can aggro the whole map sometimes.

>>713562434
Shadow tower
Might and Magic 6
Parasite eve
Spyro 1 is also great because its a pure collectaton, no shitty minigames, no gay friends, no hunter

>>713565441
>fromslop
>spyro 1
nah

>>713560167 (OP)
>Is this shit worth playing today?
yeah but if you hate rpgs, this one won't change your mind
>Was it actually the best game released in 1998?
no

>>713565582
Early Fromsoft was anything but slop

>>713561349
>Those dialogue options

>>713560167 (OP)
You make these dishonest rpg threads every single day and just reply to yourself. There are so many bad crpg threads that are obviously you're doing, you have to be the worst poster on all of /v/ and it's not even close.

>>713560167 (OP)
play fallout 1 first so when you hate the second game, you can say "the second was worse than the first" rather than "fallout sucks"

>>713565441
>Spyro 1 is also great because its a pure collectaton, no shitty minigames, no gay friends, no hunter
I can agree mostly, I think Spyro 2 would be the better game if you didn't need to backtrack to levels because certain orbs require later powerups. I love Spyro 1 because you can enter any level, complete it, and move onto the next until you're at the very end, but Spyro 2 I think has a better mix of pure collectathon platforming and minigames than say Banjo-Tooie had.

>>713565186
It wasn't lies. It's the experience of someone who can't read, looks up a Fallout 2 speedrun and then tries to copy it and wonders why the game is shit when he runs south and gets mowed down by a bunch of end game enemies. Why else would he complain about Enclave patrols being too strong and how it's stupid how you get all the powerful guns immediately?

>>713565120
>say I'm born in 94
>zoomer
You're trying too hard to fit in

>>713566457
>You're trying too hard to fit in
says the fag trying to fit in with millennials

>>713565017
>but I'm not sure if that qualifies it as being default.
Well
>fight unarmed
>steal key
>speech tagged and Int 4+
invalidates combat builds that are fine (or die just as fast) but just aren't for pugilists. Or it would invalidate them if it wasn't for theft being guaranteed.

I always found it ironic the speech check is about how you'll talk anyone down in the wasteland... and... yeah... they will all be talked down just like the Master...

>back up 3 hexes
Never thought of that, but I also remember missing like it's X-COM and doing little damage when I did hit.

According to the wiki you're doing 1-2 damage per punch if you're not Agi 6 and at 55% Unarmed (which you can start with, but I don't know if there's enough XP to level up in the temple if you don't meet the requirement at character creation).
If I recall correctly there are two skill trainers in Arroyo and another in Klamath who teach Unarmed but only if you're... under 55%... so yeah. Game feels weird with how it wants you to go melee from character creation but rewards you if you don't.

>>713560167 (OP)
>Was it actually the best game released in 1998?
yes

>>713560167 (OP)
Not really.
The original Fallout games are massively overrated.
They control like shit, play like shit, are horrifically balanced, and isn't nearly the 'le complex' RPG people claim it is. Also the quests are really simplistic and lame for the most part. Fallout 3 has more dynamic and multi-faceted quests than either 1 or 2.

Also 2 sucks since it basically forced you to play melee for the first third of the entire game.

I first played FO2 in 2019(?) and it changed how I viewed RPGs

>>713569345
>Also 2 sucks since it basically forced you to play melee for the first third of the entire game
It would've been decent bait if you didn't expose that you never played it at the end

>>713569489
I gave it 20 hours, and I never got particularly far since the game fucking sucks.
Maybe back in the dark ages of the previous century it seemed good when it was one of two games you owned and you had nothing better to do than play it, but it has not aged well.

>>713566110
>wonders why the game is shit when he runs south and gets mowed down by a bunch of end game enemies
When I played I went Klamath, Den, Redding, New Reno.
I didn't know I was supposed to clamber over mountains because Fallout 1 says you shouldn't travel on rough terrain.

This sent me to some of the worst places and encounters I could be given before I could get a real weapon... and even then New Reno is the only first real gun shop but you don't get full access until after you do some quests if you don't mind bad karma.

I mean really,
>burst fire weapon damage
>stims rarer + more expensive + trading more harsh than 1
>first aid/doctor was nerfed
>vic will crit you more in the back than he'll hit the enemy before he's level 6 or whatever
>burst fire weapon damage
>golden geckos are no joke, aren't rare, and you need to clear a cave of them before you can pay for the bullets and health used to kill their encounters
>spitting plant in the elder's garden can fuck a low melee skill level 1/2 player up
>burst fire 10mm SMGs and FALs appear right outside the Den
>fire geckos are outside Redding, they open their mouth, the world disappears in fire
I hit both the exploding cow and waste dump special tiles just walking south of the Den. The game fucking hates the player and it's not funny.

>enclave are too strong, waaaah
Go between the NCR and Broken Hills. They spawn there with guns I don't think they even have in the military camp. You have to reload a save because they all go first due to initiative mechanics. You cannot just book it, say sorry, pay them off, anything.
>it's stupid to get all the powerful guns immediately!
It really is when without being a Made Man, you can only get stuff that works for content at the top of the map, but you have to cross the middle and bottom to get to... the one gun trader in the whole game... who sells the best guns in the whole game... and it's not a progression, it's just "Here's everything!"

>>713569489
If you spent most of your playtime doing melee it sounds like you had no fucking clue what you were doing, which further invalidates your point

>>713569345
>Also 2 sucks since it basically forced you to play melee for the first third of the entire game
If you don’t want to fight your way through in trapper town to get a 10 mm pistol, you can buy one in Klamath.
I swear you retards don’t think when you play and then blame the game when you’re punished for it

>>713569867
FUCK!

Fallout 2 is my favorite game of all time.
No, the best games from '98 were Half Life and Ocarina. God damn, 1998 was the absolute pinnacle of video games.

>>713569720
>I didn't know I was supposed to clamber over mountains because Fallout 1 says you shouldn't travel on rough terrain.
That’s just because it makes you slower. Fallout 2 pretty much handguides you to go to Vault City after The Den on a literal straight line (and put Modoc right in the middle)

>>713561120
It was both ahead and behind its time

Enclave here, why isn’t your video feed working ?

>>713562202
>all 1998 games
it's honestly insane how good people had it back then

>>713560167 (OP)
i guess it´s worth it, i liked 1 and NV way more than 2; it´s too long and not as serious as the first one and not as deep as NV. But a solid CRPG nonetheless

>>713563242
you can get a 10mm and pipe rifle in klamath really fast.
The game showers you with weapons really fast if you know where to look.
but yeah, first playthroughs sucks a lot if you go in blind.

>>713571282
Because it's a two hundred year old piece of shit, sir.

>>713560167 (OP)
absolutely yes to the first question, depends on taste with the second

>>713571379
Oh? A wise guy, huh? Look, I'm tracing you right now, pal. We'll see how smart you feel with internal security all over your fricking ass. Dickhead!

>>713570662
you don't even need to buy it, there is a 10mm in the rat caves that is easy to pick up and there are a lot of ammo lying around.
Also the pipe rifle too.

I’m not too sure about the talking head mods. Some are good, and some feel like they come from a WEG

>>713571282
god, when AI manage to make voice acting as good as this guy I will surrender to the robot gods.

>>713572119
That’s what I’m saying. You can get it for free in the rat caves after trapper town, but you do have to fight a lot of rats for that which can be a pain in the ass if you didn’t get Sulik yet. So for the retards who can’t wait that long, you can still buy it, there’s more than enough stuff in Arroyo and Klamath to get the money

>>713572456
pretty sure you don't have to fight most enemies in fallout 1/2 if you have more than 6 agi, just run past everyone and lose LoS on the corners.
I remember one playthrough where I didn't kill anything until I got that pistol.

you can just go to the den and get armed, you don't have to do every quest before you leave any town and you can go back any time

that's what i do

>>713569345
>Fallout 3 has more dynamic and multi-faceted quests than either 1 or 2.
How could you possibly argue this

>>713571084
You can't see Modoc and you aren't told about Modoc.
Redding is closer than Modoc to the Den.

>>713572815
You're told about vault city which is where you're going to go after the den on a first playthrough

>>713560167 (OP)
it's got really shit dialogue (anyone that says otherwise hasn't actually read it) and the combat encounters have way more enemies than fo1, meaning that each fight takes 2-3 times as long where you're just watching gecko after gecko walk across the screen
a few settlements have cool stories, a few settlements are endless cringe compilations, but overall, idk hard to recommend, i'd just recommend fo1 it's a much better game

>>713562264
if you have a very specific set of stats it's borderline impossible to finish the game so that's something, can't remember what the check was but there's a check that breaks if i think int is <4 but science is >70 or something like that

>>713563071
>Just lies all the way down
bro there is no shit you actually enjoy getting an encounter with 8 geckos that pose you absolutely 0 threat, but you need to spend 4 minutes watching them walk across the screen

>>713569720
The game is harder than Fallout 1 and is intended for the player who already knew the mechanics
>stims rarer + more expensive + trading more harsh than 1
A good thing since you can just rest to get health, there’s no time limit to worry about here. Trading being harsher is good, in 1 once you killed the Khans and looted their stuff, you didn’t have to worry about anything for the rest of the game
>first aid/doctor was nerfed
Just rest nigger
>burst fire weapon damage
Ennemies rarely use burst if you’re not close to them, so just shoot from a distance
>vic will crit you more in the back than he'll hit the enemy before he's level 6 or whatever
Never had this problem and Vic only get level 6 in the end game, dunno what you’re talking about
>golden geckos are no joke, aren't rare, and you need to clear a cave of them before you can pay for the bullets and health used to kill their encounters
Bullshit. If you do the rat caves first and do most of the things in Klamath, you have enough bullets or money to buy them
>spitting plant in the elder's garden can fuck a low melee skill level 1/2 player up
Don’t use melee, use unarmed. With training, you can get it up to 55 without spending a point in Arroyo
>burst fire 10mm SMGs and FALs appear right outside the Den
Pretty sure they only have hunting rifles
>fire geckos are outside Redding, they open their mouth, the world disappears in fire
Yeah no shit Redding is for midgame players

>>713572815
>the elder ask you to go see Vic
>once you liberate Vic, he tell you about Vault City
>set the route for Vault City
>stumble upon Modoc on your way there
Do you need the game to outright tell you that ennemies are weaker on the way there than on the way to Redding ?
In fact it does, since you can’t do the Sheriff quests if you’re not level 10 and the Wendigo mine will rape you even in the mid game

>>713572595
Sequence says no.
Enemies doing a double turn after initiating says no.

You can initiate Sneak and then travel on the world map. But you start each encounter placed in the middle of the map and are often surrounded.
You also have your companions (who are not optional) running head first into death.

>>713573000
I think I remember Vic saying it exists but nothing else. Again, the mountains are a "Don't go this way" discouragement and the path of least resistance on the map is to go to Redding and then New Reno. You can at least find them both a stone's throw from each other.
The game's bad.

>>713573724
>>set the route for Vault City
You can't do that for places you haven't visited, Torr.

>>713573959
You can. Maybe it’s a restoration project thing so I’ll give you the benefit out the doubt.
If you can’t set the route via the little list on the right of the screen, you can do the very hard thing that is clicking on the location with your mouse

>>713573328
>it's okay that healing skills are useless and you spend minutes staring at the screen hitting Wait after every encounter
>why would enemies burst fire you on turn one of every encounter? I definitely played Fallout 2
>I gave vic 200% small guns in my mod so he'd not kill me or sulik, why can't you?
>I'm fine with fighting endless golden geckos, I have all the dollars in the wooorld before skinning
>ignore an entire skill, use this other skill which you need to level and have good Agi for, this is a good game btw
>I don't check the encounter lists before claiming you don't get brrrrt right outside the Den
>fire geckos are for midgame players, which is why their 18% crit chance that melts high endurance enclave power armor characters is sooooo midgame
Game sucks

>>713560167 (OP)
How did Bethesda get their hands on the fallout IP? Something about Fallout 3 and 4 doesn't feel like the original two games

>>713560167 (OP)
Either go east and get the car, or go southwest and get the power armour and a good gun.

>>713565032
You could beat half these games in a single sitting each (which is fine).
Being into video games didn't used to be a reductionist hobby, people WANTED more good shit to play.
You did not win by reducing your repertoire to the bare essentials. That just meant you didn't get to have as much fun.

>>713574404
What location?
Reloaded my old completed save.

>>713573959
im pretty sure you can if an NPC tells you the location of it and marks it on the map, eg the drug gang you can help take over the church can tell you where they traffic drugs to and mark New Reno, Redding and some other places on your map and you can click the sidebar thing to go there

>>713575312
*the drug gang in The Den

>>713574464
>it's okay that healing skills are useless and you spend minutes staring at the screen hitting Wait after every encounter
Lmao I hardly, I just say it's there if you suck at the game and want a cheap healing option. Yeah healing skills are useless, already were in Fallout 1
>why would enemies burst fire you on turn one of every encounter? I definitely played Fallout 2
They dont always do that no. Sucks to be you I guess
>I gave vic 200% small guns in my mod so he'd not kill me or sulik, why can't you?
Lmao this is pure cope
>I'm fine with fighting endless golden geckos, I have all the dollars in the wooorld before skinning
I do actually, there's a shit ton of stuff to pick in Klamath
>ignore an entire skill, use this other skill which you need to level and have good Agi for, this is a good game btw
Yeah use the one you're better at. Shocking I know. And why would you play Fallout without high agility
>I don't check the encounter lists before claiming you don't get brrrrt right outside the Den
I just checked, they have desert eagles, 10mm and hunting rifles. They don't even have SMGs
>fire geckos are for midgame players, which is why their 18% crit chance that melts high endurance enclave power armor characters is sooooo midgame
That one sucks but once I arrive in Redding, I'm able to crit them in the eyes and avoid getting raped

You just suck at the game

>>713560167 (OP)
>Is this shit worth playing today?
Maybe, only if you like Fallout series or interested in it.
>Was it actually the best game released in 1998?

lol, definitely not, Crpg fans overrate the fuck out of their mediocre janky ass games, never listen to anyone who claims to be a crpg fan, you are most likely going to get baited into playing garbage games, their taste is so atrocious and their personality is so obnoxious and shit, avoid contact at all costs.

>Start a new playthrough of Fallout 2
>Navarro run

>>713575012
Here it's a save I did just before going to Vault City. The location is here, you just pick the location, and you go there. Is that too hard for you ?

>>713560676
Fake list because nintendo game ain't top 1

>>713573303
>but you need to spend 4 minutes watching them walk across the screen
>He didn't turn the combat speed up

>>713564030
finishing up 1 and doing this for 2. ty anon

>>713565441
None of those games are better than Fallout 2

>>713560942
People gave that much of a fuck about Spyro? I sure as fuck didn't back in the day. It looked like another crappy early 3D platformer to me. I hated most of those on the PS1 and there were so fucking many of them.

>>713576094
>mentally retarded tribal loots enclave at level 1
it's gaming time

>>713560942
PC gaming was niche in the 90s. No one lined up for Diablo either. If it wasn't an adventure game like Myst or Leisure Suit Larry, no one fucking head of it.

>>713582073
>People gave that much of a fuck about Spyro?
Yeah, it's a beautiful looking game still to this day, the music is great too.

>>713561349
Which dialogue option did you pick?

>>713582581
Looks like shit to me. Then again, I hated Crash Bandicoot, too. The camera felt too zoomed in for me. Pretty much all PSX and N64 3D platformers felt terrible to me compared to Super Mario World, DKC, etc.

>>713582775
I think there is a charm to those early era 3d games, texture work from talented artists was necessary to give the illusion of detailed environments which was a neat side effect of having limited power on those consoles. SNES platformers like DKC and Yoshi's Island pushed out some incredible visuals for how little they could work with which was just as impressive. All beautiful games to me

>>713575312
the ghoul in the coffin in Den also tells you about modoc and maybe gecko and VC

>>713560167 (OP)
>Is this shit worth playing today?
Yes
>Was it actually the best game released in 1998?
It could be your new favorite game released from 1998