We are winning

>>713580294 (OP)
The tranny jannies seethe at this because they hate videogames

>>713580294 (OP)
You can't make me spend my money, especially if I have none

>original proposal does everything to avoid attention whoring
>ends up being co-opted by a compulsively lying narcissistic attention whore
wew

>>713580294 (OP)
That guy looks like the kind of person that drugs games and kills them for his own pleasure

>>713580583
If it means anything this is probably the last controversy to finally kill that faggot's channel for good.

Are you fucking serious? This retard does this shit NOW? When there's one month left? He had 11 months to help.
t. signed the petition less than two months in

>>713580294 (OP)
didn't this already fizzle out last year? what changed?

>>713580583
Meh. Average grifter drama is more than worth it if it means fucking over gacha/live service shit

Is there still any website that tracks this shit by countries?
The original tracker I used doesn't work anymore.
I want to know which countries are way below the others for shitposting reasons. I'll probably be at the bottom, since I'm a Barbosa and we are lazy fucks.

>>713580870
The fight is not over till the bell rings though

Charlie shoves dildos up his arse if it wasn't obvious already

>>713580901
Youtubers can latch onto drama now because of pirate software. Whatever get's eyes on the movement.

>Thor made this post and then deleted it as soon as his audience dogged on him
LMAO

can you live that long as a pre-tranny?

>>713581521
I've never seen this guy not being a contrarian, there's something wrong with his brain

>>713581521
He is such a nigger it's unreal.

>>713581521
Heartbound will never come out because this guy is a fucking hack

>>713580294 (OP)
>>713581521
I don't listen to manlets.

>>713580294 (OP)
>WE ARE AAAAAACK

>>713580901
Ross posted a vid yesterday saying there's only a month left for the EU petition that actually matters. He's also called out Pirate Software as being one of the biggest detriments to the movement's momentum, being the defacto biggest voice on the matter and just spouting misinfo.
Why didn't he do this before? Because dramafagging isn't his thing. But now's the lasy chance to get as many eyes on the situation as possible, so why not?

>>713580870
I honestly can't tell if threads or posts like this are satire anymore.

>>713581521
>pirate softcock

>>713581521
Do you have an archive link? I wanna see.

>>713581620
People like this exist sadly, red will be blue and white is black just for the sake of an argument

>>713581784
Keep seething eurocuck

>>713581521
this dude will fight to the death to not be wrong because his ego cannot handle it, so its gonna be funny to watch him try to worm his way out of this.

>>713581712
>Last Update: 2025-06-02

>>713581828
about what, I just want to see freemans mind all this shit is gay

>>713581521
Delete this!

>>713581521
I really thought the almighty moist would make him reconsider showing his ego but it’s clear it cannot be contained. His ego is beyond mortal comprehension

>>713581942
i dont think he has made comments about it since yesterday. i doubt he will anymore seeing as he got mogged. but time will tell if bro flings shit again.

is he this worried about fucking consumer rights?

>>713582018
He's worried about being wrong especially after being Twitch's laughing stock last month for the WoW shit. He has a hair trigger to drama now and just tries to act big (see the 'sup' at the start) to look strong.

>>713581738
Satire of what? This shit has been languishing for months. He could have helped before. This has to be disseminated to dozens of different European communities that don't all speak the same language.

>>713581521
hahahaha

https://youtu.be/ka-lrhNTVec?si=XCMet2SS754aW2UY&t=5789
There is LITERALLY footage of Mald agreeing with the CEO of the Hooded Horse publisher (10 months ago lmao) for the exact same points Ross put into SKG complete with chanting "one of us" after hearing it. He probably forgot he said this at all or else it'd be taken down by now.

so I'd rather chop my cock off than listen to penguinz0 talk, what is this big gay controversy about this time?

>if you kill a game you are like a poopy head
heh that was convincing

>>713582139
That shit is beautiful, dude just cannot ever admit he's wrong. My favorite was him threatening to ban whoever fucked up in that ashes of creation raid only for people to point out it was him he just couldn't accept responsibility for it.

>>713581521
He's such a fucking cuck. Did you guys know this furfaggot is married to a woman, in an open relationship, on top of the sexting with gay furries? Fucking furries.

>>713581521
>>713581658
>>713581942
If Ross really did spend half an hour bitching about this dude, then that's pathetic and retarded.
I'm European, I signed the petition. I promise you that if this fails, it's not because of this literal who I never heard of, it's because Ross didn't have the means to properly spread awareness of this topic to the intended audience that could do anything about it. The average Italian gamer that could easily be brought to the side of signing if you talked to him about FIFA shutting its servers down and not having the source code of the game anywhere has never heard of PirateSoftware. Hell, he probably has never heard of Ross either.

So, yeah, 30 minutes of bitching about some random contrarian shitposting is a nice example of how Ross approached the dissemination of this campaign wrong.

>>713580294 (OP)
>Problem that can be solved by people not buying into dogshit
>GOVERNMENT HELP US, REGULATE THE MARKET FOR US
fuck g*mers

>>713582193
This will actually drive ferret Hitler insane if that gets clipped

>>713581521
He roached out again

>>713581521
How an Audience literally 100 times bigger is hating him all because he had to double down like a retard. Just like the roachout situation

>>713581521
Why is this lolcow like this? Between the attention whoring over SKG and his meltdowns over WoW everything he does is poison.

>>713582267
tl;dr
>Ross Scott of Accursed Farms has fucking had it with developers making games that one day out of the blue can no longer function (Has said for multiple years Games as a Service is fraud)
>Does everything within his means to see what can be done legally and the best bet is the European Union
>Sets up everything, doesn't want to be the face of the Stop Killing Games initiative
>Is forced to because no one else stepped up
>A streamer, ex-blizzard employee named Pirate Software does a reaction to the initial video and tries to undermine every point
>He then doubles down with edited videos either misconstruing every point Ross makes OR outright lying how things work in the games industry
>The initiative only has made it to ~500k signatures and the due date is closing fast
>Throughout this time Ross made updates and FAQ to the initiative
>Ross, who ignored the Pirate Software stuff for several months, decided if this is going to fail, it is going to fail with all the facts cleared up
>Makes a video that consists a direct response to Pirate Software's videos
>Now other people are picking up on it because drama slop always picks up
And we are here.

>>713582193
>ends interview instantly after
ebin

>>713582267
Pirate made up an issue with the stop killing games initiative then proceeded to argue on those points despite those issues already being clarified or irrelevant. For example pirate claimed it was unreasonable to make the devs balance the game for solo play imagine that for final fantasy 14, he’s right it is unreasonable for devs to have to work on the game after it’s been eos but the issue is that the initiative says right at the start that devs don’t have to to support after they’re done with it, making pirates whole issue with this made up situation he made pointless. Moist video is just him showing support for Ross and the initiative while saying pirate is misrepresenting it

>>713581521
He's gotten only worse after Dr Pajeet did therapy on his furry ass.

The irony being that Jason the gaming Judas literally posted a video today where he kvetches about one of the games he liked getting shut down.
It was some mario maker style game where you make dungeons for others to run through.

Needless to say, people absolutely clowned on him in the comments and that made his lesbian ass lookin pussy really hurt, so he made a huge cope comment about how preserving the game wouldn't have mattered

>>713582341
Penguinz0 and other big youtubers privately admitted they didn't make youtube videos about SKG because of Pirate and only now are because they no longer fear controversy because of his WOW situation that made it so no one gives a shit about him. So yes he did stop it

>>713582341
ross never responded to the roach until now, if anything he did a courtesy waiting until the WoW implosion finished

>>713582567
>you have an ego and its negatively effecting your attitude towards others
>I don't have an ego. I don't have to change anything. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.

>>713580901
ross(accursed farms) posted a video refuting and blaming pirate, after not doing so initially as he didnt want to bring drama into the initiative to retain its dignity, purity, etc, but pirate did incalculable damage to the movement. Seeing as he misrepresented it, lied about it and created strawmans to attack about it, and due to his original size as a creator the largest videos are his hit-piece and asmongold watching it, and asmongold is a mongoloid. Further, piratesoftwares entire reputation has tanked horribly after the furry-rp, attempted grooming of a 15 year old, wow classic abandoning his teammates, open marriage, and cheating in videogames was all uncovered, as well as his sexualization of animals as a furry in conjunction with owning a ferret enclave. So its now free game to tear him down as he's completely destroyed his reputation. So all the fair-weather content creators are jumping on for their pound of flesh and to virtue signal, which they should have helped the movement beforehand, is still welcome to get news out, even if probably too late.

>>713581620
he a furry sniffer

>>713582341
how would that be more pathetic then pirate not understanding it and rambling on theoretical situations he made up that don’t apply to this then getting assmad that people shit on him for being a retard

>>713582593
>Penguinz0 and other big youtubers privately admitted they didn't make youtube videos about SKG because of Pirate
I blame them more than this Pirate guy, then. What fucking retards. Assuming this is true, that is.

>>713581521
What a fucking roach. He never fucking addresses any of the points Ross made properly then scurries away when there is pushback.
Can't believe it took the WoW drama for people to realize how retarded he is, but I'm glad it happened.

>>713582537
>>713582559
well seems like penguinz0 is kind of right then. Stop letting companies make games then just nuke them off the face of the planet. So this pirate dude is a giant fag then

>>713582649
QRD on the wow drama, I only know of this guy through his SKG interactions and this threads not going to last long anyway.

>>713582593
How does this literal who have that much influence? Bullshit

>>713582648
Youtubers of big size are all faggots that don't want to fight because it hurts their careers. They only shit on smaller youtubers. But this doesn't change the fact that Pirate being a retard did hurt the movement and now it's only allowed because Pirate got cancelled due to unrelated events

>>713582524
hes a blizzard "developer" anon, need I say more?

>>713582567
You'd think that having a therapist crash out on you and tell you that you act like a subhuman would make you reconsider your behaviour.

>>713582193
>>713581521
>>713580583
Him being the biggest hurdle to the cause to then causing its pass with his pure retardation would be kino of the highest order, but I have my doubts it'll make it in time.

>>713582703
>streamers get together to do WoW Ironman raids where if you die you lose your character and need to restart
>Pirate is part of a group doing a raid and is playing as a mage
>He has enough mana items to boost the entire team during the fight but doesn't use them at all
>Someone calls for them to fall back and regroup
>Pirate takes this to mean he needs to leave the entire dungeon and leave his teammates to die and he survives
>Team rightfully rags on him for it, he tells them its their fault, never apologizes despite video evidence of him having the shit needed to save them

>>713581521
All this shit about "communities" on the internet is so fucking gay. These people don't understand real life outside of the internet.

>>713582703
him and a rouge roached out on the shitty pull in a dungeon leaving party members to die, after they left pirate refused to admit fault because of ego causing the guild leader to boot him for his shitty ego

>>713582703
>Hardcore WoW server (You die, you make a new character from scratch)
>Doing a raid with a party
>Lots of mistakes happen, shit is turning sideways
>Pirate who has ice spells that could help other players escape decides to use his mana to "blink" away from the fight and claimed he had no more mana (Even has a mana crystal to give him more)
>Couple of players lose their characters, get mad at Pirate for not assisting in others escaping
>Keeps doubling down on him being in the right, hardcore WoW people call out his bullshit
>Never apologized or said "Maybe I could've done better". Nope, every decision he made is the right one.

>>713582703
Guy's apparently played the game for over a decade and alleges to have worked on it. Yet in hardcore wow ran away as soon as things looked bad in a dungeon with a bunch of other streamers leading to most of them dying when he could have easily either salvaged the situation or helped them escape safely. Proceeded to claim there was nothing he could have done.
https://youtu.be/1Bgoezd6Q2M?si=xqQD_BPAPjb2iCYH

>>713582342
U R jeet

Filter apparently works.

>>713582567
pirates downfall is actually incredibly to witness. He skyrocketed to popularity and then near immediately spiralled in the most retarded ways to become a lolcow. It's not even good stuff that ruined him
>classic wow, abandoning his teammates
>being a gay furry and trying to groom a 15 year old
>trying to kill a consumer protection movement because he works for a company making a gaas game
Like almost all of this was unnecessary, even the stg attack was pointless in the grand scheme. This furry is genuinely fucking retarded. No wonder why he worked for blizzard.

>>713580294 (OP)
I don't wanna see this midget F2M tranny-like's face ever again

>>713582810
>>713582825
>>713582840
>>713582842
This is obviously not some paradigm shift that causes the movement to succeed or fail. This is utterly irrelevant and you retards are just making a big deal out of it cause you care more about retarded internet drama no one gives a fuck about than SKG which is of actual consequence. The likelihood you're Kiwitroons is very high.

>>713582713
Ross himself said it. Others didn't want to make videos because they didn't want drama between them and another big ytp channel (Pirate)

>>713582891
>He skyrocketed to popularity and then near immediately spiralled in the most retarded ways to become a lolcow
Yeah, kiwitroon thread. Now I get why jannies delete this shit.
No one uses the term "lolcow" but kiwitroons anymore btw. This is how you out yourself.

>>713582919
I only answered the question because someone asked it, and the only reason why someone asked it is because I mentioned that it's funny that it was WoW slop drama that destroyed his reputation, not his stance on SKG.

>>713582342
people are retards and must be ruled to the thumb of the government

>>713582919
here's your you

>>713581521
Got any of the replies? kek

>>713582919
Someone asked for a qrd pirate now shut the fuck up and take your beatings

>>713582342
>v-vote with your wallet...!

>>713582968
We have been calling Chris Chan a lolcow since 2010

>>713582932
>Ross himself said it.
God, he really is a retard.
He has a good heart and this is a good movement but he is completely misguided in how to get it to the finish line.
I'm not gonna scapegoat some literal who I never heard of before this movement to excuse Ross's incompetence. Not gonna happen.

>>713582730
He's pretty much a case of narcissism down to a letter. He quite literally cannot ever process anything negative said about himself which is why he will never change and continue to crash and burn. He deserves it anyways since his entire "career" is just lies that would come from an narcissist.

Back on the real topic: The argumentation I see of
>Devs would need to do more work
is really stupid because this won't be retroactive, meaning it will only affect games moving forward and if a game from the ground up is designed to have a plan for the plug pull, it really isn't more work.

>>713582919
unironically yeah, while many games I love have been shut down and are no longer accessible. I care more about this egomaniac faggot taking another L. You're not wrong.

>>713583029
What part of "anymore" did you not understand, kiwitroon?

>>713580294 (OP)
>grifters are still trying to make it a thing

>>713583034
He literally got told in private that a few youtubers didn't want to make videos after planning on doing so because of pirate. So yes, it did hurt the movement

>>713583034
Ross points out that the same day Pirate Software made his video is the same day the signatures slowed down immensely. Maybe actually watch the video?

>>713580294 (OP)
OK very cool, but what are the political implications for me, personally, as a gaytarded frogposteur?

>>713581620
>>713581521
is a furry that uses a voice changer to make their voice sound deeper; also has never worked a day in their life, family member worked at blizzard and got them in there, they did nothing. complete fraud.

>>713582730
Nah, people like Thor are just terrible to deal with. It's like this
>"Oh shit I'm sorry."
>"Huh? What are you sorry for? You should explain why and what you're sorry for."
Red flag behavior.

>>713583060
anyone trying to say the devs or anyone has to put in more work if this were to be put into law don’t not care about this issue and want to shitpost or are illiterate

>>713583126
You may in the future get a game you like and be able to play it after the shitty company dies.

What vidya do you anons enjoyed that if it was made in the modern day would've been shutdown?
After playing Quake Deathmatch this morning, loaded up a TDM server of Quake 3 and got top frags.

>>713582907
>zero muscle
>none
Good thing he's short or he might not be able to walk.

>>713582703
He played in the wow classic streamer guild, where you get 1 life, hardcore rules, you die you re-level from lvl 1. While in a lvl 60 dungeon, Diremaul, he abandoned his party and ran away as a frost mage. He claimed not to have mana, but did, as well as a mana gem to restore mana, and his mana cloak. He actually waited near the entrance and smugly mocked his party as they were dying. Then when the rogue who also did nothing cause hes a worthless league player called him out he refused to take any accountability and everything spiraled from there until his reputation was ruined and he was kicked from the streamer guild with a bunch of people singing him happy birthday and insulting them by talking about "what they like most about pirate".

There were some funny memes about it, like old wow bg posting in chinese, as well as an a.i song about him called roach out.

>>713580294 (OP)
If people like moistcritikal and mutahar are for something, then I will be against it. It's that shrimple.

>>713583034
>I'm not gonna scapegoat some literal who I never heard of before this movement to excuse Ross's incompetence.
Ross claims the pace of signatures cratered after Thor started misrepresenting things, and honestly I trust Ross completely.

>>713583060
unfortunately people are more than willing to go up to bat for a corporation and essentially claim the resources for end of life plans are not fair to their fiscal planning

>>713583126
you get more dead games to meme on if this works, imagine all the niche communities that will form in private servers that you can make fun off

>>713581521
He posted this instead of explaining how it's possible that he completely misunderstood the initiative on two different occasions in two different ways.

>>713583242
Meanwhile I remember two months in having to talk to my brother and friends and trying to find a video that summarized this issue in good enough detail and wasn't just one hour of Ross rambling like a retard to people that don't understand English all that well. But yeah, sure, it's this literal who that's the problem.

Even if I believed for a second that this was the main reason why the movement failed (I don't), why would he have waited 6+ months to do this takedown then if it was that harmful? He's scapegoating. It's cope.

*grumble depressing lifeless tone* insert random thing... / ___ is about as compelling as a bag of wet jizz in a wet shopping cart. this heaping pile of gorilla shit makes the most uninspired projects look like the fucking Mona Lisa with big titties, this is the creme de la creme of humpback whale feces

>>713583081
>>713582968
>you cant use basic terms since chris-chan
The price of idiocracy continues to grow. Let me guess, you're also against anime images, frog posting and todd posting right?

>>713581736
Ross was right not to drama fag but I 100% support him calling out that massive faggot PirateSoftware for being the misinfo spreading bitch that he is.

>>713582341
or the fact thor decided to shit on it with his veiwer count of over a million you mong. he wasn't the entire reason it failed but he sure as fuck contributed. admit you are just a fag and be done with it.

>nah nah it's just Ross using Pirate as a scapegoat because he talks too long for my attention span in proper english

>>713583360
It's because Ross is a decent human being and didn't want this to be about dumbass Internet drama. He hoped that rationality would rise above.
And hey, maybe that was stupid, but you can't blame him for having a little fucking optimism. And not that your point about language barriers and Ross being a poor spokesman aren't factors (he's very much admitted that they are), but the moment some faggot with 10 times his reach stepped in and distorted the narrative was undoubtedly the deathblow.

>>713582341
imagine unironically being a piratesoftware viewer. Its bad enough to watch twitch, but of all people to watch, that furfaggot? You're less than a subhuman, you're even less than a canadian. Pathetic.

>>713583360
maybe get a longer attention span retard

>>713582559
> For example pirate claimed it was unreasonable to make the devs balance the game for solo play imagine that for final fantasy 14,
The funny thing about all of this is putting aside that he got everything wrong about the initiative, him bringing up FF14 being made solo is literally what the devs are currently doing with that game making the solos and dungeons soloable with the Trust system where you can run them with NPCs so even in the example that HE used he's wrong. Which again shows you how little he knows about these games.

>>713583589
It's just really funny how he's become the figurehead of the movement when he said from the start that he only wanted to be the person to get the ball rolling and for other people to spread the word. He's gone way above and beyond for what he was originally setting out to do, doing interviews and talking with EU lawmakers directly on what can and can't be done.
I didn't expect anything less from the man who made an entire theory about trackmania being a post apocalyptic game.

>>713583360
>why would he have waited 6+ months to do this takedown then if it was that harmful?
You going in circles about things already explained isn't helping your case.
Ross wasn't interested in a pointless food fight between online communities, he only discarded concern now because with the deadline due there's no distraction or advantage to the effort in addressing minutia.

>>713583606
my brother does, despite me pointing out many times that he's a faggot. (my brother's also a pretty shit human so he probably relates to the guy on some level)

>>713582627
>open marriage
There's just no way.

>>713582341
>I'm European, I signed the petition.
Sure you are PirateSoftware, sure you are, from the French town of Marseille right?

>>713583360
Shut up Jeet

This really encapsulates modern laziness. You had a year to prove your support of a consumer movement and now, at the 11th hour do you start to try to push it at the last minute like it's some kickstarter project. Also, a lot of cope online blaming pirate like one person stopped hundreds of thousands of people when twitter has been proven to not have any affect on transferring traffic to other places. I've seen post that blew up in views but when you check the person's youtube channel, they were still in the gutter of youtube views where they can hardly get 100 views on one video or stream. Things on twitter tend to stay on twitter.

>>713583570
>>713583609
I signed this shit and got 3 people to sign for it in a country where the language isn't English. It was just way more of an hurdle than it would have been if Ross organized this way better.

>>713583673
This reminds me when he first made the video and got push back. The only guy that really supported him was Theo.gg or whatever his name is spelled. They're a coder Youtuber. The video that guy made used CS2 as an example which 1. you can still play CSGO because Valve allows you to download it and host your own servers and 2. he said that you should be 'grateful' that you got an upgrade for free despite the amount of bugs and engine swap causing a shit load of people not to be able to play.

Remember to blame Europeans for not signing it. It's their fault too.

>>713583775
Calm down Jason, you might shit yourself and use up your diaper collection.

>>713583861
*Southern europeans.
Northern Europeans seem to have their shit together.

>>713581738
He is right. All of the big eceleb faggots slept on it, even though they knew it was a thing. Now that the popular narrative has turned against the corporate world suddenly all of these faggot grifters remember Ross.

>>713583794
He tried his best to help people like you to understand better at least. He has to put up with a lot of bullshit in American law and European law. It's not gonna be perfect or pretty with how much he has to do within the span of a year.

>>713581521
>latching on to "33 minutes"
I mean, I guess it only makes sense if this guy is a freemason, no way he'd ever be so astroturfed and fake if he wasn't

>>713582341
See, this is what makes Ross so authentic
he doesn't care about the setbacks, he doesn't care about his reputation, he doesn't care about insults,
he cares about videogames.
Say what you want about moldman but he is the ONLY one to kickstart anything like this.

>>713583683
Ah yeah... the TM2 Canyon video was so fucking good. God bless that man and his beautiful ability to go off on the most delightful tangents.
If there is one minor silver lining to the end of this campaign, it's that we'll be getting more Game Dungeon again. Can't wait to hear his next inane ramble.

>>713583673
Didn't wow also add some kind of bot system?

>>713582341
>source code
Controlled opposition? Or just retarded?

>>713583139
>is a furry that uses a voice changer to make their voice sound deeper

Not supporting him, but I'm pretty sure his voice is legit. There's plenty of footage of him outside of content he has oversight of where his voice sounds the same.

>>713583570
>ai anime image
opinion disregarded.

>>713583730
Oh my fucking god KILL YOURSELF KIWITROON

>>713583794
one man can't do it alone. and thor being the massive faggot he is ruined that. hopefully more big voices talk about it, but sadly i have doubts.

>>713583723
disgusting.
>>713583728
he is, iirc his wife is also a ftm tranny, dudes entire personal life is a mess. I genuinely dont know how people can stomach watching him, he's grotesque.

>>713583673
>indirectly contributes to the downfall of FF14
Never trust or listen to the words of a Blizzard employee.

>>713583673
Yes it’s why I brought up that specifically, the fact he used 14 out of all the games to use as a example this idiot used the worst one

>>713584029
its directly from the anime you retard

>>713584029
>ai anime image
Nigger WHAT
Go back you fucking tourist

>>713584120
Ross also pointed out that this should not affect MMO games at all. Since those games have clearly stipulated shutdown dates. It's the date of your subscription expiry, unless you renew it.

Anyone watched the interviews with Ross and the interviewer bring up PirateSoftware? Ross seemed very uncomfortable whenever that happened and always tried to refocus the issue. Some of the interviewers got the hint and dropped it, others kept prodding him. I wonder if that is what pushed the latest video.

>>713581521
Jesus Christ how far up his own ass is he

what do you mean?

i buy games i like, and if there's none i like, i don't buy them

>>713583980
Yeah I think so but I'm not really familiar with WoW.
But here's an example of FF14 using NPCs in a raid.
The devs want you to be able to play the entire story (not including optional fights) with NPCs.
Again this is what PirateSoftware used as an example against Ross Scott saying it'll change MMOs forever. Yet it's already in the fucking game. The guy is clueless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUm3vbmJQN8

>>713584029

>>713583950
Fair enough, I'm just pushing back against the idea that this """lolcow""" was some big hurdle. I got to see what the actual hurdles looked like.
Even if it was Ross himself an no one else, he didn't have a single good video that could be posted at a non-English speaking European person. Everything was over 10 minutes of rambling.

So, no, I'm not gonna scapegoat this literal who, who, again, I have never heard of before this movement, and say that he's the reason why this highly ambitious petition that needed to disseminate itself across dozens of different regions that all speak different languages, fell flat on its face. And then read how we might now be at a paradigm shift that finally gets this petition to success because this literal who did something stupid in World of Warcraft. It's obviously a brainlet position.

>>713580389
Trannies love gaming you fucking Aussie wanka

>>713584029
>He hasn't watched Gundam
Sop what you are doing and watch it you absolute cockmongler.

>>713580294 (OP)

>>713584239
he's functionally an ouroborous at this point.

>>713584029
>ai anime image

>>713581521
>Me, me, me, me, I

>>713584290
Honestly, I'd send this as feedback for Ross. He definitely does need to take into account for non-English speaking people.
While he may be a literal who to you, he's not to others and that's okay. He's the perfect scapegoat for Ross because he is a piece of shit that massively contributed to the SKG movement into staggering.

The fuck is this?

>>713584460
The problem is that Ross wanted people to send him European youtubers to contact for it, but it sounds like not many wanted to be a part of it.

>>713581521
>last I talked about it was 10 months ago, how it fails now is not my fault
I mean....he kinda has a point? That's a whole 10 months of other publicity the movement could of gotten.

>>713581521
Would love to see what responses ratio'd this to get it deleted

>>713584523
Yeah, what the hell was Ross thinking?

>>713584523
On one hand yeah, on the other hand you could see in the /v/ threads how everything slowed the fuck down after that video of his until everyone moved on because drama is exhausting.

>>713584290
Sure lil ESL bro, sit down a black woman is speaking now.

>>713584523
The hardest blackpill to swallow is that most of those countries are inhabited by people that are wholly uninterested in the process of governance. You would have to hold them at gunpoint to make them do anything that would improve their lot.

>>713584567
he didn't want to be one of those e-celebs making a response to thor's response to my response re:his response videos

>>713584536
i think its more that every response he got was shitting on him and none defending.

>>713584609
The vast majority of gamers in these countries don't know this is a thing.

>>713582559
>>713583673
>>713584120
I dont know much about wow but didn’t it have private servers before blizzard released classic servers? if so then lets say this initiative worked and ff14 were to shutdown in the future, would this initiative effectively protect people putting up private servers for ff14 without fear of of square shutting them down or would square need to provide or at least make it possible that a version of ff14 that can be used for private servers?

>>713584290
>its totally not pirates fault
>despite signatures dropping off a cliff after PS smear campaign
>in which he's the biggest video on top of every search for the movement at the top of the search result
>said movement existing on youtube as its media arm
>the 2nd biggest video is someone watching PS video
>meaning its the main and most popular source people will get
>PS community also actively propagates his talking points, smearing the campaign
It's another iteration of GG with stronger media presence misrepresenting the consumer advocacy movement. Regardless, you're either a retarded 3rd worlder, or a shill, which is it? Do you retards actually think anyone buys these
>guys guys, i'm totally on your side and support the movement, but actually it's not obvious at fault guys fault, and was actually the movement is shit!

>>713584039
NTA but Brazil isn't in Europe.

>>713583683
Ross also offhandedly mentioned the legalese he combs through and how much time it wastes, likely intentionally, before he can properly respond. Yet he does it anyway, he must have a steel psyche.

I can't fathom doing so much for so many despite so little support or benefit, and some even turning on you for it. Closest thing I can imagine is trying to help addicts, but at least most people would commend you for the effort, if I tried to explain what Ross is doing to the average person they'd wonder if he's got brain problems.
Which to be fair he's questioned that himself, but he's also said and is right in that this isn't about making a fuss over videogames, but setting the principle so dodgy ownership bullshit can be addressed in some form legally.

>>713584664
There are private servers for ff11 and for the original FF14 1.0 version of the game that failed, there are autists who will be able to put it together.

>>713584662
The vast majority of gamers in these countries only play Fifa or soccer equivalent

>join piratesoftware server to see the fallout
>mods are crying over all the SKG people
>even longtime members of the server getting banned for even saying that Thor didn't need to get involved
>get banned 5 seconds later after not saying anything

>>713583025
that would work, if people had self control or will power. but the masses will keep buying the slop.

>>713584519
Poor Ross having to work with only this much assistance. He definitely could've used more translators and native-speakers but I guess people were seriously uninterested or scared of contributing to the whole thing.

>>713584580
it slowed down because a janny was deleting threads about video games

>>713584761
GIRLS JUST WANNA HAVE FUN
OH GIRLS JUST WANNA HAVE FUUUUN

>>713581521
I always thought this kind of shit is hilarious when you watch Ross's video and it's like a full minute montage of Gay Furry here calling Ross a stupid greasy used car salesman con artist. The fucking irony and gall that he whines about "toxicity"

>>713584761
I hope he continues to crash and burn. He will never truly die as we can see from creators like DSP, but he will never be at the same point he was like a year ago.

>>713584239
hey i know that video, its awesome

>>713584673
>This retard thinks SKG's problem was that greeks and latvians were googling it unprompted and finding a video saying it's shit
Alright, I'm done with you. Ultimately you just want to participate in e-celeb drama faggotry.

>>713584701
Heh

>>713584761
I hope he keeps fucking up and fades into obscurity outside his retarded hugbox

>>713584138
>>713584174
>>713584275
Not my fault. I see blurry smudged anime background characters and my brain defaults to ai slop.

>>713584363
alright i will.

>>713584523
>be significantly bigger media shill than the guy advocating the movement
>smear the movement
>your videos and reactions to your videos are the primary videos of the movement now, being the biggest
>have a strong reputation such that other youtubers do not want to support the movement due to the possibly controversy
>signatures drop off a cliff
>hmm how can he be at fault?
I don't get it. Are you all 3rd worlders that lack basic cause and effect programming in your brains? If I asked if you didn't eat breakfast this morning, how would you feel? Would you be able to answer it? It's genuinely baffling to me how people like you can't use basic critical thinking to consider the effects that the situation could have had on the movement.

>>713584752
And a lot of those gamers have a favorite FIFA or PES from years ago. It's a homerun argument to get them to spend 5 minutes signing a petition.

>>713584664
it wouldn't be retroactive unless feasibly possible, putting up your own private server without the company's permission would still be illegal
if hypothetically this law passed and SE made FF18 an mmo, they would have to change the dev process such that the customer has SOME KIND of functioning product, either being able to change stat values for solo play or providing server binaries after end of life, as well as actually providing an estimated lifespan
of course, this completely ignores the fact that this is currently only for the EU so even if the law did pass foreign devs could just not sell there, or at least continue to fuck over non-yuros

>>713584881
calm down thor

>>713584761
kek
Even if the initiative fails (likely), it will all have been worth it to see Maldavius's reputation sink further into the dirt.

>>713584881
>deflects and disengages
Yea, that's what I thought, you subhuman faggot. Go play in traffic

>>713582868
Always feels good to open a filtered post out of curiosity and immediately feel vindicated in having filtering it

>>713584947
>have a strong reputation such that other youtubers do not want to support the movement due to the possibly controversy
I know Ross said it and maybe it happened to one or two youtubers but it's such a blatantly inadequate reason for the average case. Yeah, bro, Pewdiepie gives a fuck about what PirateSoftware thinks. Get real.

>>713582193
>mfw he starts seeing this posted at him live

>>713584968
Barbosas aren't Thors

>>713584857
I just dont get why ross pulls so much aggro from him. why not wait and see what politicians think of this rather than so vehemently going after a 300k youtube channel

why does SKG want the EU to rape MMO???

>>713585021
does pewdiepie even do anything anymore? Why should he start shit with some random who when he hasn’t done much gaming and a family

>>713584704
>I can't fathom doing so much for so many despite so little support or benefit, and some even turning on you for it. Closest thing I can imagine is trying to help addicts
This shits way more common than you think. Any time you try to push Anyone into doing something to help themselves they fight you harder than any problem they ever faced, when if they put they energy into the original problem they wouldn't have had it in the first place. If you win, they pretend they took care of it themselves and didn't need your help in the first place, or if it affected multiple people, they were one of the people who originally saw the problem.
There's an old saying gahndi stole that's described this since forever: First, it is ignored, second it appears laughable; third, it is fought against; fourth, it is considered self-evident.

>>713580870
If you follow any sort of streamer drama (bless your soul) you know this guy is the master of having no opinion until 99% of the dialogue about any given topic is completed and there is 0 chance his opinion will cause any sort of backlash. He is a complete NPC and the saddest thing is a lot of people are like him, they never form an opinion until everyone else has formed one, and they form it on the basis of being accepted by others.

Im a bit concerned that most of the votes coming from this drama might be from retarded burgers forgetting that other countries exist, signing it, and then getting thrown out after a recount.
Is there any kind of validation on the site? It for some reason refuses to open for me.

>>713584964
>of course, this completely ignores the fact that this is currently only for the EU so even if the law did pass foreign devs could just not sell there, or at least continue to fuck over non-yuros
Has anything like this actually happened before? The EU is too big of a market to ignore.

>>713585021
>smear the movement
>your videos and reactions to your videos are the primary videos of the movement now, being the biggest >>713584947
Which you actively ignore. Who do you think you're fooling? Do you think pewdiepie with his family is in every internet event, or omniscient?

>>713585021
>blatantly inadequate
Most people click on the first couple of videos on youtube when the topic presents itself. Thor's videos were first on SKG after he involved himself. Most people exposed to SKG after that faggot got involved, were treated to a version of the narrative where a stupid unreasonable used cars salesman wants to steal money from poor hard working people and make them work forever for his sake. Naturally no one would want to support someone like that, especially since he doesn't look hot.

>>713584947
>Anon doesn't understand 10 months
That's literally almost 1 year of promotions and engagement to correct the narrative

>>713585094
MMOs are already dead so lets make devs give us the ability freely puppeteer it for funsies

>>713585136
You need a valid European ID.
That's as far as I remember.

>>713585136
You need to insert your ID. Now, I don't think it verifies it right there and then, so in theory an American could just write a bunch of random info there and then have it thrown out later. But I don't think it's a big worry.

>>713582537
Your tldr is still too long. Sum it up more.

>>713585124
I once heard someone ask why learning about history makes so many people misanthropic?
Gee, I wonder why?

>>713585094
MMOS are exempt from SKG tranimeposting retard

>>713585121
just enjoys his millions while fucking his hot wife in one of the safest countries in the world the lucky cunt

>>713585021
Pirate had a much better rep when he initially made videos about SKG. People still saw him as some ex-Blizzard guy who worked for the company when they were at their peak. It wasn't until later on people found out how much he had lied about who he was and what he had done.

>>713585190
he knows this. he's intentionally playing obtuse to try and paint this as ross fault and pirate being innocent.

>>713585136
Just need your ID since if you're an EU citizen they already got all your info to verify in their systems. Your ID just tells them what shit to look for and if it doesn't pop up when they got to actually count all these then the vote isn't counted.

>You wouldn't get it...

>>713585245
"We are here."

>>713585169
I dunno about the whole EU but I do know some countries blocked lootbox transactions

>>713585245
>guy no want game to die
>make european petition for eu to look at it
>furry says "no bad for dev"
>furry lies about guy
>guy ignores
>guy no longer ignore make video
>furry is ass ravaged

>>713585195
>just make a bigger video
See, now I believe you're actually a 3rd worlder. It's that lack of european intellect. Stick to banging rocks together buddy, it'll get you further than thinking, that's a white and asians mans game, bucko.

>>713585295
>Likes his own comment
People with egos this big need to be beaten

>>713585295
What an absolute fucking retard.

>>713585337
What kind of furry? What are his tastes?

>>713585169
Lmao

>>713585389
15 year old boys

>>713585389
Ferrets.
He also owns ferrets.

>>713584761
i mentioned thor folded hard and needs to correct himself and was told on by mods that im stirring up drama. banned maybe a few min in

>>713580294 (OP)
>buying games

>>713582559
>>713583673
Didn't Dragon Quest 10 also make a singleplayer version of the game?

>>713581521
>muh chat experience
kek what an absolute cuckold

>>713582807
>can't sic his goons on moisty man because he sits up higher on the food chain
Like pottery

>>713585389
>>713585421
>>713585427
Wait, he's married to a woman? Interest lost.

>>713585090
he apprently has a vested intrest in a gaas game.

>>713585195
Ross didn't have backing of mass media though. Do you seriously think that Thor wasn't receiving help when it came to aggressive resistance against SKG? The fact that you can have threads about it only now, when the movement is on the verge of failing, so the threads will mostly attract only faggots coming here to gloat at people for further demoralization, should serve as proof enough. You had literal fucking mods on the clock to push DEI propaganda and corporate talking points, did you fucking forget the leaks already?

>>713585295
He's so booty blasted because Ross finally called him out for his lying videos and he's finally getting push back that should have happened months ago.
Fuck him and his nasally girl voice that he uses a bass boost to mask.

ross should have went full drama mode months ago

>>713584761
they're probably still traumatized after the wow classic arc.

>>713585389
weasel dicks

>>713585508
That would've destroyed the dignity of the movement. It's a bipartisan initiative.

>>713585482
technically yes, but that woman's a ftm tranny

>>713585497
qrd?

>>713585497
Wasn't there someone posting actual fucking CP in the SKG threads as well to get the threads nuked?

>>713585497
We don't talk about that around here.

Furries this week:
>bullied some fox animal shelter girl into suicide
>went against a stop killing games initiative
I'm thinking freaks lusting after animals are not good people.

>>713585183
Alright, fine, since you're so desperate, I'll engage with you. SKG is failing because of lack of visibility, publicity and proper dissemination. Simply put, the intended audience that could potentially sign this has not heard of this at all. Muh smearing is completely meaningless.
So, the only argument you could have for this Pirate who being the main reason why this movement is failing is if you said that he single handedly managed to convince every other youtuber of note into not making a video about it when they otherwise would have. Ross claims this. I simply do not buy it. This did not happen in mass.

The biggest youtubers in my country didn't talk about this. You think they know who Ross is? Who Pirate is? You think they watched a second of either Ross or Pirate talking about this subject? If you do, you're clueless. Now I am hopefully disengaging from you and not being baited anymore.

>>713585508
he's good at it, he should embrace the dark side

>>713585508
The thing is that Ross is a gamer, not a politician. He hated doing just about anything for this campaign and only did it because no one else would do it

>>713585558
There was yeah. That's how you know SKG was an actual threat to corporate rats.

>>713585295
>Hosting privately does not fix this issue
It... literally does? Just have an online repository of maps that people can upload and download at any given time to your local copy.
That's not even hard to do depending on how the game has set up custom user maps.

>>713585551
Go and read 4chan leaks.

>>713585558
That and more.

>>713585574
I'm going to.

>>713585508
Moldman is too much of an autist to drag those skeletons out like a bitch.

>>713585594
Sounds like an average day on 4chan to me.

>>713585341
>anon thinks videos 10 months ago are more algorithm privileged than recent content
I don't think you understand how youtube or SEOs work. Btu that's okay, not everyone can be a software engineer

>>713585558
it seems to happen a lot lately when anons talk about some of the more controversial vidya decisions.

>>713585295
This faggot has no friends I know this because I’m sure two autist would love to have this game just to make dungeons for each other for fun, this is something pirate can’t grasp because he has no friends

>>713585508
Ross didn't want to do this in the first place because Ross is a good dude. He only did it this time because there was nothing to lose and Thor straight out refused to have a conversation with him.

Its interesting that that the campaign, even in its current state, actually made the industry scared shitless
I mean, even fucking NINTENDO preemptively caved in with their Animal Crossing mobile game and actually made it offline and gutted all the MTX shit from it last year. Fucking NINTENDO

>getting the last 500k sigs in the month of July before August 1st deadline
is it possible?

>>713585636
He was trying to do it all above board and legitimate without drama farming, the blow back on Piratesoftware is all of his own making, little faggot thinks he can misrepresent campaigns and initiatives and no one is allowed to question him.

>>713585701
Judging by how Thor talks in interviews, it probably wouldn't have been pleasant BUT it might've helped Ross' case.

>>713585717
Good

>>713585508
Like with all intelligent people, his biggest downfall is projecting that onto others. The crowd doesn't care about what's good for them, the crowd wants entertainment, drama and a climactic showdown. He could have been up there explaining how his latest initiative would exterminate hunger, poverty and give everyone everything they could ever want and they'd start throwing rotten food at him because he was performing technical explanations with charts and graphs instead of shouting slogans.

>>713585717
It's because they know we have a point and that if they keep doing this shit, it's only gonna get retried and done better. At the end of the day this was a movement made by a balding dude with no concept of publicity and he still managed to get 50% of the way to forcing EU to talk about it.

It's a start, but I do wish he fully succeeded.

>>713585735
no, but god, dear god it would be so fucking funnny

So...like, wait, this petition is to stop devs from taking down their servers? Who's gonna pay for that?

>>713585295
>you cannot preserve a games true intention by saving the files
>meanwhile pic related with a random community
This is why I hope more people get start fucking hating this furry scum. Should've yiffed in hell like the rest.

>>713585654
You're not a software engineer, maldavius. You're a nepobaby who never finished a single game, and your entire "career" is constantly in flames. You're going to be remembered as the gay furry who failed at playing a mage in classic wow who can't take accountability, is a retard, uses a voice changer to hide his nasally voice, and tried to groom a 15 year old, oh and owns a ferret enclave, while having a ferret fursona for his erp sessions. That's your legacy. It's going to be better remembered than your gravestone. Enjoy it.

>>713585654
nta, but if you search up on youtube RIGHT NOW stopkillinggame, this furfag nigger's video is at the top (if you take out the videos made by moistniggal and whatever gamer which were made just recently.)
you can stop trying to save face now.

>>713585772
No you retard it isn't, would it kill you to read the website or watch the video that outlines what it is?

>>713585717
That's the thing, even if this fails it still got people talking. That in of itself is something with the lazy vidya community. Now, if there is any follow through is yet to be seen.

>>713580870
But he clearly said this is a cause he has strong feelings about!

Which is why he spends the entire video dramafagging PirateSoftware rather than promoting the movement.

These people don't give a shit about the movement. All these Pootahars, Charlies, Turkey Tom faggots are in it for the drama and by extension money.

>>713585295
>This initiative for preservation and customer rights is bad because there are games that rely on sharing user generated content
>So instead of letting the players share their created content just on smaller scale via fan websites after the central servers are dead thus allowing for some semblance of preservation and at the very least allowing people in the future to experience the most popular fan created content, it should just die off completely and not allow anyone to do anything with it anymore once the central servers are dead and take all those user creations to the grave
What a smart individual.

>>713584307
they love gaming but they love seeing things get taken away from people, like when doctors cut off their dicks

>>713585808
It doesn't sound like there's even a plan at all.

>>713585786
You just know Figtree is in this thread after it was posted on his Discord.

>>713585389
>What are his tastes?
Nonexistent, like all of his tastes. Seriously his FA page had nothing interesting on it, other than his cringe OC itself.

>>713585735
No, but it's impressive how some random guy like Ross made close to half a million people give a shit about this to the point it was up there with other initiatives based on real social issues in terms of activity

>>713585735
spin it as a fuck you to maldavius figtree and it just might. Nothing unites a people more than hate.

>>713585852
>this was the guy that was chugging all the stolen breastmilk on company time
Wew lad

>>713585717
>Ross is critical of self regulation
>Companies self regulate when they are challenged
>government meanwhile has done nothing but exist despite the numerous legal hoops ross had to go through just so politicians would consider looking into the topic before even acting on it

Uhhhhhh self regulation is a meme though??? Uuhhhh government is based please tax me more and send my money to Israel

>>713585832
How would you know that? You just tried to say the campaign is something it's not and now you're saying there's no plan at all. You're either retarded or you've got a fetish for ferret porn.

>>713585832
>Bring up the fact that devs can take your money, then disable your videogame remotely and leave you with nothing after you spent money
>That is not okay
>Create EU citizens initiative to force their governments to look at those practices and develop a working plan to legislate against it
That is the plane.

>>713585904
I hate it but it is true, hate triggers stronger emotional responses than principles.

>buy a game
>money stolen
>can't resell it physically because there's no physical copy and shutdown games won't have any value
>can't resell it digitally because it's only temporarily rented to the platform/launcher/store
>have to hope for a refund digitally

>>713585928
>You just tried to say the campaign is something it's not
Well what the fuck do you think is gonna happen once you get past the vague "stop taking my money" phase and get into the actual details of why it's happening?

>>713585970
>say words
>existence denied

>>713585924
mustve been how he got his "second puberty" kek

>>713585852
let him watch his legacy burn. It's only going to get worse for him. He'll be begging to be remembered as a jannie for wow by the end.

>>713585998
It's not our business. It's for the government to look at the issue and develop strategies on how to approach it. We are not supposed to be doing their fucking work for them. We have a problem, they are the government. We raise awareness of the existence of the problem. They work to solve it.

>>713585597
i agree with you, only 1 "big" spanish content creator has talked about this movement and shown how to vote. No other streamer/youtuber has ever talked or showed anything about SKG

>>713585998
That is up to the EU lawmakers. The initiative is more or less a "Here is an outline of a problem and what we consider fixes, here are x number of people who are interested in this, please have a look and determine a course of action that benefits those affected". Ross and others can only do so much with limited legal or technological knowledge, which is why Citizen initiatives are a thing.

>>713585717
I wonder why ross didnt bring it up when he mentioned the crew offline mode announcement. Im pretty sure nintendo being a nigger company would give a good example to many normies, not to mention fanatic tendies, than ubisoft which was just doing damage control. Not to mention Nintendo actually fucking delivered on it.

Funny how The Crew shutting down was what lit the fire under Ross to try and do something. I do agree that something that had a full on single player campaign like The Crew had should have been playable in some form even if the live service part was dead.

>>713585427
He also sold a bunch of (now dated) ferret avatar kits in Second Life. There was a bit of controversy he had with a working partner on that front as well.

>>713586076
>>713586104
Yeah Im sure the government is gonna pay to keep Dragalia Lost up or whatever.

>>713586123
They will if enough people demand it.

>>713586123
please take a moment to read the initiative pirate

>>713586112
It wasn't what made him want to do something, it was just the best opportunity for it.

>>713586123
I just want what we had decades ago: The ability for players to host their own servers and lobbies.

>I don't know how they're supposed to fix it, it's the government's job to come up with these things
>what are budgets?
I am very intelligent: the thread, the petition.

>>713586150

This kills the shill.

>>713586178
The initiative being "Government, please help?"

>>713586110
The fire was lite a decade ago but was just a small insignificant candle.
The crew was a tanker of kerosene ramming straight into it

>>713586187
Citizen Initiatives are a sign that citizens can hold up to say they care about this issue and want government to help. Holy fucking shit you guys are retarded.

>>713580583
>"you know that cause I'm championing?...i better not tell anyone about it otherwise people will call me an attention whore..."
This is why Europe keeps losing.

>>713586219
>Half-Life Dedicated Server
Never knew how to use it properly even to this day but it's the reason why servers can still exist for a game as old as fucking Half Life 1.

>>713586123
>>713585832
>>713585772
How do people this retarded actually get by in day to day life? Absolutely no common sense, reasoning abilities, or problem solving skills.

>>713586240
Wrong reply
>>713586112

>>713586178
He won't, he's too contrarian brained to read the actual initiative. He made an assumption on what it was and if he makes a U-turn and admits he didn't know what he was talking about he'll lose credibility among his window licker viewers who think he's some genius game dev.

>>713585786
I'm not the furfag, and I agree with all your points. Fuck that guy, but that doesn't excuse the lack of videos on this until recently.

>>713585803
>if you ignore recent videos on top, then the popular videos are on top
Yes....that's my point. Recent ones are on top no matter how popular, how many view count the 10 month old video is?

Is this board just livestreamfails fags, vtuber seafags, and politicfags now? Go the fuck back to LSF you faggots nobody here gives a fuck about Pirate or Moist

>>713586123
Literally not what this is about. Why doesn't anyone take the 2 seconds necessary to read the outline of this. Nobody is demanding that companies pay to host games forever, just that at the end of life shutdown phase they should give players the means to host their own private servers. That could just mean some truncated server code so it doesn't have to be completely reverse engineered and would require 0 work.
This was the standard for like a decade until they decided "eh, fuck it, just shut it all down lol".

>>713586297
You had your opportunity to explain the plan and you went with "I dunno, the government will figure it out!" And somehow you think you're the genius.

>>713586229
yes that the whole point of the initiative pirate, to get the government to look into this and help set rules for companies to follow which in this case is let games at the bare minimum be left in a accessible state for consumers which doesn’t not mean anyone has to support it financially in anyway

>>713586334
Worse, kiwifags.

>>713585924
I'm amazed nobody has used the shit that went down in blizzard to smear him.

>>713586357
So my point remains the same.

>>713586342
I didn't explain shit to you because I knew from your posts that you were too retarded for it.

>>713586319
I don't think it is a lack of trying on Ross' part. He has done multiple interviews, made social media that people can organize and discuss shit on, even fucking talked to European lawmakers and read through legal documents... yet no one else picked up the slack to fill in holes that Ross reasonably could not.

>>713586365
Kiwi is based, cry harder. 4chan rapefugees fucked up the farms for a whole month

>>713586287
Most games released in 2000's had ability to host dedicated servers. Since then, almost nothing has changed in regards to the actual process of hosting a game server. What has changed is that games are engineered with a remote kill switch and an expiration date so they can take your money and run.

>>713586390
Humor me. How is the government going to force devs to make their games have private servers?

>>713586334
anyone who actually plays games are probably on vacation for Death Stranding 2 to avoid spoilers

>>713586357(Me)
Does not mean*

>>713585852
>fakes his deep voice
i dont know why but i subconsciously felt this.
There's something so fake about his voice.

>>713580294 (OP)
Asmongold if he successful

>>713586421
Same way they made Valve offer refunds.

>>713586336
And you really think a petition is going to get the government to force game devs to do this?

>>713586412
Tiny bit more complicated than that: It's because the standard for software has gone downhill and people relying on micro-services and shitty middleware to the point where it is a legal nightmare to find out what code can be distributed and what can't. It's shit and it is something that needs to be looked at, but it's a result of the general software industry being dogshit.

>I swear this isn't an eceleb discord shill campaign
then why is every thread about it either about ecelebs or saying any critique of the campaign is by a bot/Indian?

>>713580294 (OP)
American influencers don't matter. You need Europeans to sign and we don't watch your shitty NPC niggers.

>>713586487
It's not a petition. It's a form that the government must respond to after it reaches a certain amount of signatures. Can you stop shitting up the thread with your stupid questions and just watch a video or read an article on it?

>>713586342
Why would anyone explain it to you when you were already told there is a website and youtube videos that outline what the initiative is?
You don't want information what you're looking for is an argument which is why people saw what you were doing and called you out for being a retard.

>>713586487
Yeah.
Why not. It's like extra revenue for the government, slap game companies for a big ol' fine for negligent practices and make some nice cash on top for 0 work on their behalf too.

>>713586484
I'm going to venture a guess that that probably didn't happen via internet signatures.

>>713586538
"Respond to" and "implement" are very different things.

>>713586487
if you do not understand what is even happening then you should take a moment to read what thsi is and what this initiative is capable off

>>713586012
KEK

>>713586319
Your point was that recent videos are more privileged, yet a 10 month video has stayed up at the top at 1 million views this entire time. Even WHEN two popular youtubers post their response, his video is still up at the top. Anyone who searched stopkillinggames was showed the furfags video until only recently (AND HIS VIDEO IS STILL UP TOP)

can i get a qrd? i have no idea what any of this is about

>>713586396
Yea, I'm subscribed to him and I've been following the movement. (I enjoyed Freeman's Mind when it was a thing).

All I'm trying to say is a 10 month old video is not the sole reason to blame for this, especially if the UK petition (the other one no one is mentioning) is only 5 months old.

For example, the e-celebs band wagonning on about caring about this but only talking about recently are partially at fault.

>>713586583
You can't even construct a basic sentence.

>>713585803
>stopkillinggame
charlies is number 1. ross 2 and muta 3

thors is 4 but god damn 1m veiws. thankfully charlie has 1.5 mill. just wish majority was eu hopefully.

>>713586421
>Humor me
If you didnt eat breakfast this morning, how would you feel?

>Who cares if it costs the developers more money?
>WTF the price of games went up???

>>713586598
Idiots think the government will force games to have to stay up forever.

>>713586582
Either way, at least it will provide an official response that will allow people to understand where the government stands in regards to this. As of now there are just no laws that regulate this or punish the frauds period. Fuckers keel gloating about kickstarter scams, but they happen because they can be done with zero repercussions.

Crtikal will always be interesting to me because if you were on /v/ for a while you should have known what a fake loser this guy is when he transitioned to mildly entertaining low brow youtuber who made stupid videos to gay streamer preaching about topics he has absolutely zero actual fucking opinion about. He is an total dipshit who sold his soul to the internet long ago.

>>713586598
No QRD. Thread is a culmination of reddit and Kiwifarmfags obsessed with e-celebs

>>713585295
Does this retarded nigger know that private wow servers existed?

>>713586618
those videos are recent. Thor's video has been the first result all the way until now and did a lot of damage.

>>713586618
this is relevence btw. not by new

>>713586627
If a game from the start is planned with an End of Life plan, is it really more cost to developers?

>>713586639
Kickstarter scams and games eventually dying are two different things.

>>713586608
The e-celebs apparently didn't say shit because Pirate had made his hit piece and they didn't want to start shit because Pirate was still respected when he made the initial videos.

>>713586698
Yes. More work costs more money.

>>713586679
i agree senpai. im saying thankfully the correct videos are in the spotlight

>>713586549
>Why not.
Probably because developers have the right to not implement private server options.

>>713586703
They occur for the same exact reason - lack of legal repercussions.

>>713586627
>Who cares if the game you bought with money is suddenly and with no notice taken from you?
>WTF how can they do this I paid money and they took my game away from me???

>>713586743
right

>>713586382
Your point remains wrong, yes.

>>713586123
>>713586229
>>713586342
>>713586421
>>713586487
>>713586636
Did pirate send his discord to parrot his wrong talking points again?

>>713586561
It happened because of consumer protection agencies. The same ones involved with this initiative. I'm done responding to you BECAUSE YOUR FAGGOT RETARD ASS ASKED ME HOW THEY WOULD DO IT, NOT WHY.
I FUCKING ANSWERED YOU HOW, THEN YOU MADE A FAGGOT DIPSHIT RESPONSE THAT CHANGED IT TO WHY.
Kill yourself you bottom feeding faggot.

>>713586742
But it would actually be less work, since live service and expiration dates in videogames are always tacked on nonsense.

>>713580294 (OP)
You're LOSING! Gamers are lazy and stupid! You think you can get anything passed? LOL!

>>713585717
>t.least delusional online petition signer

>>713586598
>can i get a qrd?
ross of accursed farms made a video response to pirate software, the main critic and smear artist against "stop killing games", which is a movement attempting to get europeans to sign a petition to force the eu to talk about and decide if the government needs to get involved in companies having no end of life plans for games and simply revoking access to the game once they stop supporting it. Pirate softwares community and general shills probably working for said corporations are running interference on the internet to prevent dialogue because if the government ever passed legislature against their anti-consumer practices, they'd actually have to spend money on making sure the game is playable after they discard it.

>>713586742
Is it *really* more work though? Like, this shit would be done in the design stages of a project and would most likely only incur small changes in programming practices. In fact, it might lead to less cost to developers who will have to toss out uneeded middleware if it breaks the idea of EoL.

>>713586780
>>Who cares if the game you bought with money is suddenly and with no notice taken from you?
that isn't what happened with The Crew
>>WTF how can they do this I paid money and they took my game away from me???
They informed you in the EULA that this was possible. You could have refunded the game if you disagreed.

>>713586813
Im not against the idea, but youre fucking stupid if you really think the government is going to force game developers to not have an end of life.

>>713586592
yes, and 10 months from now, more recent videos will replace the popular youtuber's videos followed by Furfags since it has the most views.

Also it's not "up top", recent and trending weight in heavier in SEO.
Also Maldy wasn't popular for long, he literally rose to fame only 1.5 years ago or so

>>713586845
You're responding to a shill.

>>713586817
>It happened because of consumer protection agencies.
Which was not a petition, so I'm right.

>>713586780
Live service games have a finite life span. If you don't know this going in, you shouldn't be legally allowed to handle money.

>>713586773
You could always just stop spending money on gacha shit that you already know will die some day.

>>713586886

>>713586626
Constipated.
Since i can only go to the toilet after i had my morning coffee.

>>713586857
>>713586914
Looks like the PirateSoftware Discord is really here kek.

>>713586626
Not funny.

>>713586918
>>713586914
>>713586886
>>713586861
>>713586857
>>713586830
>>713586742

>>713586845
Yes it is really more work to add something extra they didn't want to add

>>713586880
you discord fags are completely incapable of coherently defending this campaign, you just sperg out and lie

>>713586857
>They informed you in the EULA that this was possible. You could have refunded the game if you disagreed.
Anyone who's trying to argue that there are no shills in this thread, regard this faggot right here. Biggest corpo shill i've seen this week.

>>713585772
The actual crux of it is its futureproofing games that AREN'T being made yet to be made with an EOS plan that enables people who have paid for the game to just have a fucking dead file sitting on their PC or dead disc that can't run anything. The talks of what games can get grandfathered in is a matter of specifics, it's not really the point of the initiative.

>>713586998
EoL would not be more work if it was planned from the start since the game from the start can be made in a way to accommodate for it and it can be done very simply. "Do not want to add" is a different issue entirely.

This thread is full of retarded gachafags who are mad their goon skins are now worthless.

>>713587007
>to just
to not just have a fucking dead file sitting on their PC*

>>713586972
PiRATeKWABware Diddygooncord has arrived to defend their throat ferret goat, Thor.

>>713586998

>>713586998
whatever they're paying you, it's too much. they should dock your pay. tell your manager you should be paid less this month for being a certified fucking retard.

>>713587034
Why would planning something mean it wouldn't be more work?

>>713585626
oh ;3; was hoping for a spoon fed option.

>>713587034
>EoL would not be more work if you plan for more work from the start

>>713585295
>it wouldn't flawlessly work in 100% of the cases so... so it just shouldn't exist for any case!!

>>713585132
The babdwagon effect

>>713587075
>>713587082
It would be a different issue entirely if a game was already designed a certain way and that you would have to go back and redo it to service an EoL plan. Having it designed from the start to work a certain way would only add on dev time after the design stage IF you are working with pajeets that do nothing but use boilerplate legacy code and can't figure out how to allow for client based software to work.

>>713580294 (OP)
Wow a little too late cunt

Why would I care if a corporation would have to work more to accommodate me, the customer? You fuckers are retarded.
Only gamers are retarded enough to bend over backwards to suck corporate cock while it actively fucks them in the ass.

>We are winning

Sadly, I don't think so

Unless the signature count on the website has a 24 hour lag at counting updates or something, it seems like there's only been a few tens thousand signatures over the past 48 hours. Even Penguinz0 making a video with 1.5m views realistically only put us 1/25th of the way closer to the 1m signature mark

Unless there's constant videos by huge Youtubers over the next few weeks, I don't think it's gonna happen. I was optimistic that the push over the past 2 days would get us significantly closer, but it doesn't seem to be happening.

Frankly, I think the way Ross framed this recent update video also kinda kneecapped the chances of this push to get a lot of votes: It is very defeatist and while I've seen a ton of people talk about it, most of that discussion is "damn, it sucks it didn't work out" as if it's too late for people to vote. I get he probably didn't want to dishonestly sugarcoat the chances of the petition succeeding, but I think he came off too much as a doomer and didn't stress enough that people should try their hardest to still make it succeed

>>713585735
>>713585771
>>713585893
Many campaigns get their biggest push right as the deadline approaches, but as I said above, I think for that to work, we would have needed to see more like 100,000-200,000 votes the past 2 days, not 20,000-30,000. You need to keep in mind that the rate of votes will likely SLOW DOWN the next few days significantly, unless other big Youtubers put out new videos. Ross should be trying to coordinate and time videos strategically with other channels.

If Euros get this through, I will never make fun of them ever again. Maybe make it be banner worthy for this board.

>SKG fags are STILL parroting the line that it's just about "keeping games alive"
lmao

>>713586229
Thats the reason government exists in the first place you underage fucktard.

>>713587178
Moviefags aren't much better. Disney getting away with their shit proves it. Animation unfortunately are battered housewives that can't leave and will find something good (Usually something to goon to) as to why a certain piece of animation is good. Musicfags are 50/50. Bookfags may be psueds but at least they care about their medium.

>>713587194
Hey Figtree!
Yuge Fan!

>>713587194
Yeah honestly at this point I'd be okay with corporations just suffering for all the games they've already taken away from me. Fuck you.

>>713585090
He directly benefits from the movement dying since he's invested into live service games.

>>713587185
Imagine Euros saving gaming. That'll be the day.

>>713587241
The government can't save you from the stupidity of spending money on gacha shit.

>>713587082
negible with pre-planning. Its far more costly to hire a thousand indians into the dev team but every western dev seems to be intent on doing so. I'm sure they can find the extra few shekels to throw at end of life support for games.

I bet bungie would have been happy if this initiative existed just so it saved them from their incompetence of not having a working version of red war for their lawsuit

I doubt any developers actually want to make games that can die out of the blue. Imagine working on something for months only for it to only be remembered in internet blogs and archives of websites talking about it.

>>713587179
I don't blame being Ross for being a doomer when he has to handle retarded communities like PirateRoachware gaslighting and misinforming people on what SKG is. On top of dealing with language barriers and trying to grab people's attention who have the attention span of a goldfish.

>>713586229
Why else do I pay fucking taxes

>>713587082
>>713587075
>>713586998
It would not be a big strain on development to just fucking add LAN support, which would be feasible for like 90% of always online games anyways. The final law also doesn't "have" to require ANYTHING of the developers or publishers, it could simply be worded to allow users to mod software or break DRM to restore functionality themselves

The law, if one gets made at all (it's not even a sure thing one would be, even if the petition passes), would also go through months of iteration and consultation with game developers and publishers most likely, who if anything would likely water the law down to impact their bottom line as little as possible: it's way more likely no law is passed or a law is passed that doesn't help enough, then it is for a law to come out of this that goes too far and is too onerous on developers

Also, even if that DID happen, what % of games do you think would get cancelled, or have developers get sued when they honestly couldn't afford to add offline support? You think it'd be more then 1-2 titles a year? When right now, like 30% or more of non idie releases are always online and fuck consumers over? You seriously think the former situation is worse then what we have now with the latter?

>>713587326
>Its far more costly to hire a thousand indians into the dev team but every western dev seems to be intent on doing so.
The fuck are you talking about, the vast majority of live service games aren't western, they're gachas.

Wouldnt it be funny if this actually passes and somehow snowballs into a full on "digital ownership in the EU" law as well as game preservation post-shutdown?

>>713580294 (OP)
I’m so out of the loop, is this a charity or something?

>>713587178
>gamers
far worse, they're shills and twitch viewers. So lost in the shill campaign they forgot to ask
>would gamers care if the dev company had to work more to do things legally?
Shows you the quality of shill they buy and the quality of human that watches streamers, especially maldavius.

>>713587290
the government has done much to save people from their own stupidity, you would know this if you paid attention to history at all instead of being a terminally online tard desperate to fight on behalf of your eceleb

>>713587386
God willing.

>>713585090
like the other anon mentioned, piratesoftware is part of a dev company that is making a gaas game. He has a vested interest in the stg movement failing.

>>713587432
You'll always find new ways to be retarded and waste your money.

>>713587395
https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

>>713581620
For this topic it's not even contrarian for lack of a brain. It's very obvious he's being deliberately disingenuous because not a single one of his talking points since this started has ever made sense. It's even worse given the examples he gave during the videos he sat down to record. I don't know who is talking for him, but you cannot ever be this retarded without specifically doing it with malicious intent.

>>713586972
If you have this problem, why not stop playing live service games?

>>713587386
and it'd all be because piratesoftware is such a retard with wow it snowballed into every western game corporation getting assfucked raw into the dirt.

>>713587386
I feel like the gaming industry is a pinata waiting for the government to wack for easy money

>>713587395
It might be the most relevant thing this board can do if they're EUfags. Anons have always talked about saving games. This is it. This is that time.

>>713587378
go watch assassins creed's end credits ranjesh, you might find a few cousins in the logs. I know they're c*nadian, but still western.

>>713587254
yea all zero of them

>>713587340
Ross said he heard from some devs that worked on the Crew actually supporting the movement. Nobody wants to see their hard work taken away from public eye except faggots and retards.

>>713587465
and the government will continue to stop people from being retarded when it becomes a big enough issue

>>713587558
I don't play gacha garbage so this has never been an issue for me.

>>713587547
I DEMAND YOU LIVE STREAM YOUR SUICIDE RIGHT FUCKING NOW YOU STUPID NIGGER

>>713586756
but they should not have the right to take away a game i pay for and render it a dudd on my ssd with no option of a refund

>>713581521
Holy shit what a cunt, dude lacks any self awareness if he seriously thought this would fool anyone

I think it would be funny to see blatant "expiration dates" on non-subscription games.

>>713587465
with enough luck at least the corporation hiring you will fail, and you'll be out of job, so you won't have to come here again.

>>713586627
Nice redirection trick there.

It costs developers more money to make live service games that depend on a central server than to make a game that runs entirely locally. There's a reason you never see indie devs make always online games as a service slop, only big AAA companies with millions to burn.

>>713587542
But EUfags can't afford the $700/kWh (well, whatever $700 is in european squigglemoney) wind power to run games.

>>713587474
>>713587542
I assume if I’m a citizen of God’s Country (America) I need to cross my fingers and pray the EU slaps sense into the corporations and kickstarts a seismic shift a la Apple with the USB-C and open App Store, then? Godspeed, Euro anons.

>>713587631
I think you quoted the wrong post.

>>713587545
Thats nice, but for every Assassins Creed you name, I could name 10 gacha slop.

>>713587386
I'd actually get serious paranoia if something good just happened like that, calm before the storm and all that.

>>713580294 (OP)
both Ross and Charlie are just crying over spilt milk at this point when they just started to dogpile on Thor. Not that i agree with Thor and how much he's just intentionally misleading the cause's narrative to "protect" game developers from "whiny, privileged" consumers in his angle but if Ross had like NEARLY A FUCKING YEAR to address, rebuke and maybe try to get him to understand by making a response video of it as soon as it was released, he wouldn't have whined about it. same goes to Charlie who's just starting to make a video on it when it was in trouble then had the gall to shit on Thor when he too did fucking nothing about it. hell, he even just regurgitates whatever Ross told in his video without even watching Thor's (albeit retarded) takes on it. like really, nigga?
>inb4 he doesn't want to dramafag
it's not dramafagging if it's not personal. especially if you full well know it'll damage the cause if you ignore the problem and just hope the average person wouldn't get swayed by it

>>713587194
Try talking without the voice modulation.

>>713587650
Yeah, unfortunately, but even if it fails rest assured that a conversation has been sparked. Keep an eye out to see if America is ever going to actually do something about it.

>>713586627
They're going up either way. Might as well have a reason :)

>>713587290
>>713587465
>>713587595
Is this the average pirate software fan? some dumbass that burned money on a gacha and want to project his lack of self control on other?

>it's more expensive to make a game be able to run offline or with dedicated servers than making it online-only
Say WHAT!?

>>713587675
and I could name your mother, plenty of men have played her, what's your point?

>>713587675
>>713587545
Also is Assassins Creed even live service in the first place? The game became completely unplayable at some point? When?

>>713587724
Gotta pay that offline tax

>>713587743
Youre the one who brought up AC in the first place, you tell me.

I will always die on the hill with the principle that the digital medium should offer a new age of information being able to be shared, stored and replicated for almost no cost and the only thing stopping it is greed.

>>713587698
>I dont play gacha
>hm...he must play gacha!
Nice reading skills.

>>713586627
If people are able to play games forever, they wouldn't cry about whatever the fuck the next AAA slop comes out. They'll just play their old games forever. This is a net boon for autists that fixate on one game and play it for 10,000 hours.

>>713585558
Funny thing, same happened with the current 8ch. The admin checked which country the people getting banned for CP were posting from and CP spamming stopped when he banned entire Israel.

>>713587678
>thor defense force
>nigga
>erm its actually ross fault
Go back to re ddit, nigger.

>>713587818
Your old games are dead with or without private servers kiddo.

holy fuck guys it's happening

/v/
>always online? SKIPPED! I'll just pants guards in Deus Ex again
Also /v/
>WHY IS MY ALWAYS ONLINE GAME DEAD WHEN THE PLAYERCOUNT IS LITERALLY JUST ME??????? IT SHOULD LAST FOREVER???????

>>713587801
Digital games was meant to be that. Didn't really pan out anything great, they just became as expensive as a physical copy which made physical copies just collector's items now.

>>713587809
Chill out anon. We won't judge you for your past mistakes :)

>>713582703
Something that I wanted to add that the other posters missed is that because PS kept doubling down and doubling down and doubling down on ALL of the evidence as it popped up piecemeal bit by bit is that people kept digging through his VoDs for more evidence and finding more things that incriminate him not just on the WoW thing but also other things. Such as when he was doing very similar things in other raids on other MMOs, or when he is very clearly lying about being big brained on puzzle games such as suspiciously looking at his phone and then going "Wait a minute...I got it!"

What is even more insane about all of it is that every single person who was digging up the evidence to shit on him, even his most vocal haters, all basically said "If the dude just turned around and said 'yeah I fucked up my b' then it all would have just stopped and he'd still have a career."

>>713587179
I swear to god if I ever meet piratesoftware in real life I'm punching him in his face

>>713587890
And I won't judge you for your poor reading comprehension.

>>713587678
>had like NEARLY A FUCKING YEAR to address, rebuke and maybe try to get him to understand by making a response video of it as soon as it was released, he wouldn't have whined about it.
t. didn't watch the video where he explained exactly why he didn't do that
He tried to be cordial and reach out to Thor explaining his misconceptions and got blocked and further sperged at.

He outlines he didn't have time or the will to turn this into some stupid youtube drama slapfest and that even other just as massive creators agreed with Ross but didn't want to risk the drama by going against Thor - and seeing as he's a reasonable person it's safe to assume he didn't want to punch up against a priority creator who acts like a petulant sperg alone.

he is a faggot

>>713587882
Ludokino should be forever.

>>713587801
the physical disc is not what makes games cost money

>>713587916
>Wait a minute, that card...
>flips out a Mana Gem

>>713587809
>anon talks about how the government has put in laws to protect consumers from their own stupidity
>other anon just keeps mention gacha
I wonder which anon among these two plays more gacha? A mystery for sure

What compels you to defend multimilion dollars companies?

>>713587752
i think ass creed 2 or a recent one had an oopsie with server connections and wont let you play it without internet,

splinter cell convictions co op mode is a good example. you can't even play that anymore since the servers are offline.

>>713587981
It's you. If it was me, I would've signed it since I'd benefit from it.

To everyone addressing the "it would cost the developers more money" claim with "it wouldn't cost that much," you've already fallen into their trap by accepting their completely false premise in the first place.

It already cost the developers more money to set up the game as live service in the first place. It is always simpler and cheaper to make a self-contained game then to split a game into pieces and keep one piece on central server that you have to keep on all the time.

>>713587994
But those games still work overall. Is this the best cherrypicking you can come up with?

>>713587835
im not even defending piratesoftware, you underage faggot retard. they're all crying about what could've done when they had fucking months to stop his bullshit because they're oh so afraid of dramafagging. now they're whining about it because it's fizzling out and they want to blame on somebody else instead so fuck all of them

Note a lot of the assbackwards matchmaking concepts used for small scale multiplayer are a direct result of people with IQs under 40 not knowing how to set up their networks. Good luck getting them to forward a port for a direct connection like in the Diablo 2 days.

>I sell t-shirts with my face on them
>In the contract of sales, the customer agrees to provide me with their address and a copy for their front door key
>The customer also agrees that I can set the t-shirts in fire whenever I feel like
>I arbitrarily decide people no longer should have access to my face
>I invite myself to all people's homes and set the specific t-shirt on fire
>Why are you doing this
>There is absolutely no way to make t-shirts without this stipulation

>>713588009
you gotta stop projecting im not even the government anon, maybe go talk to a therapist about your addiction

>>713581521
His counters boil down to
>eat my ass
>you're dumb
>vague (he argues, vaguely)
>(thing he made up) is bad
On basically anything he doesn't like. Why did people think this neanderthal had any credibility? Is it the deep voice?

>>713581521
At this point him admitting he was wrong would do more damage to the initiative than good.

>>713588075
I believe the word in your country is "playera."

>>713588092
This started because you projected the exact opposite of what I blatantly said in the first place.

>>713588113
because his followers are about as smart as he is, just look at this thread where the best they can do is make up situations just like pirate to look right and when it doesn’t work they resort to insults

>>713588113
He is a perfect example of speaking with confidence and from a position of preceived authority means people will believe whatever shit you spew.

>>713584029
heres your (you)

>>713587340
thor does

>>713585594
God dammit why’d it have to be the fox shelter I liked, I hadn’t checked up on them in awhile.

>>713587678
faggot you literally admit he slandered the initiative and then turn heel to blame the guy behind the defamed initiative.
Sure you'd get a lot of views and short term support by making a video responding to piratesoftware but once the drama dies down nobody will care. They won't be there for SKG, they'll be there for the shitflinging and it delegitimizes the whole entire operation.
Only reason its happing now is because the short term benefits are all that's left for the initiative and is the only chance SKG succeeds.

>>713588113
>Why did people think this neanderthal had any credibility?
Pushed heavily by talent agency and briefly had cred for working at Blizzard, otherwise just speaks with absolute authority and his audience doesn't question it.

>>713580294 (OP)
What I don't get is how anybody took pirate's argument seriously
>what about the the poor live service games!
Like who cares? If anything the idea of the death of live service should have drawn more people to the cause

>>713588065
>you underage faggot retard
coming from the guy who's afraid to say nigger on 4channel of all places, while impotently trying to fit in, you preening faggot. You were playing defense because you were implying its ross fault when pirate is the one who slandered him, oh and
>both Ross and Charlie are just crying over spilt milk at this point when they just started to dogpile on Thor
and
>but if Ross had like NEARLY A FUCKING YEAR to address, rebuke and maybe try to get him to understand
literal defense of him, you're not fooling anyone you limp-wristed fuck. Go back to r eddit.

>>713587542
why hasn't anyone put this in pol or news?

>>713581035
What is a Barbosa? Isn't that a Caribbean island?

>>713587340
Some more money-focused developers do support killing games because they want to be able to kill old games to force people to buy their new games. (I am one of those developers)

>>713587340
Literally 0 gamedevs are against this. Nobody wants to write a novel so it can be burned in 3 years because it didn't sell enough copies per financial quarter.

>>713588152
gacha anon your the only one who brought up gacha in the first place, seek help

Urine lost.

>>713588294
Normalfags don't give a shit about vidya.

>>713588318
They're live service games. And the most plentiful They were collectively brought up with the OP. Get your head checked.

>>713587781
what's the difference between assassins creed and gacha and your mom anon? Assassins creed was made by westerners, gacha is made by the east, and is used by a lot of men, like your mom. Hope this cleared this up for you.

>>713588270
Ross was even more reasonable than that, he's not even anti-live service, just wanted an end of life plan that isn't "lmao just trash it who cares".
Shit, he's even on record as saying he doesn't expect any anti-killing game laws to apply retroactively.

>>713588308
I am a game developer who is pro killing games because it forces customers to buy new games. If I were a novelist, I would also be cool with every copy of my novel being burned after 3 years because it would force readers to buy new novels.

>>713581521
Goodness fucking gracious. Times and times again I'm left in utter disbelief how far up his ass his own head is

>>713588410
The difference is AC is still playable and meanwhile when most gachas die they're completely unusable. So your bias is bizarre.

>>713588424
No you're not. You just thought that was a pithy gotcha response.

>>713588371
In fact not only are gachas live service games, they're more forced online that 90% of other shit, which at least usually has an offline mode you can fall back on.

If you are smart enough you can see that this initiative might be profitable for devs, just after the game is dead make a paid patch/dlc that let you host private servers or local ones but only the ones with that patch/dlc bought can play it. Or the person/entities that hosts big private servers have to pay a certain fee monthly.
There's a lot of option to make this initiative profitable and frankly redundant.

>SKG movement gains traction again because e-celebs can finally shit on another e-celeb after getting exposed for being a piece of shit liar and asshole even though it always obvious from the beginning
E-celebs are such spineless cowards.

Ross is such a chill dude. I can imagine doing even that bit of drama made him feel like shit.

>>713588491
You realize they could just do that anyway without SKG right

>>713588092
>im not even the government anon
what a curious thing to say.

>>713585821
You gotta understand, he's Blizzard employee

how many days till figtree accuses ross of taking advantage of a retarded polish girl

>>713588371
that’s great and all but you brought up gacha in the reply chain about
>The initiative being "Government, please help?"
no one was talking about in relation with the government except you because clearly you play to much of it to a point it occupies your mind 24/7

>>713588039
>To everyone addressing the "it would cost the developers more money" claim with "it wouldn't cost that much," you've already fallen into their trap by accepting their completely false premise in the first place.
>if they just made a completely different game than they wanted to it would cost less money because... uh I say so

Friendly reminder that /v/ was also against SKG, if only for the sake of being contrarian.

>>713588576
To be fair, how many live service games has Blizzard killed? You can still play the original disc of Diablo on battle.net.

>>713588590
>you brought up live service games in a reply chain about government interference for live service games
Gee, sorry.

>>713588550
you can always trust your government to create laws that have your best interests in mind

>>713588624
Fair, but Blizzard killed OG OverWatch.

>>713588618
No why the fuck would this board be against SKG? It was mostly just shitposting because Ross is a sperg. But now that this shit is actually failing super hard, it isn't funny anymore.

>>713588459
there is no bias, it was a reference point to compare against creating end of life support for games. If western dev companies, like ubisoft, can hire a thousand indians to work on their game, they can surely spend the meagre extra capital to create end of life support for their product. This was an obvious inference from my comment.

Apologize

>>713588645
It's pretty clear that this doesn't affect very much except mostly dead gachas, but nobody wants to say it. I highly doubt anyone is dying to go back to Gigantic once that shuts down.

>>713588624
Well, there is this thing with Warcraft Reforged. It's not *exactly* the same thing, but nobody can force me to play an inferior version of a game, while the version I legally bought gets delisted.

>>713588694
Because adults with brains know that letting government bureaucrats dictate what developers can and can't put in games is a bad solution to a problem that doesn't even exist

>>713588731
But the "thousand indian workers" game you brought up is still playable, so what the fuck. At least cherrypick a game that's unplayable with a thousand indian workers. Your point is nonsensical otherwise.

>>713585821
do you understand now why furries were despised? We tried to warn you, but you refused to listen.

>>713588694
The reason to be against SKG is it's going to raise costs, and if you know anything about corporations, they're not going to just eat those costs. Those costs get passed on to us. The solution for people that feel like live service games are a problem is, quite simply, stop playing live service games. There's no reason servers should be running well after the cost to profit ratio gets too high to sustain.

>>713588694
commies
trolls
PS himself

>>713588810
He's married to a girl so this is moreso a reason to hate straight people.

>tfw there are still people learning about Stop Killing Games for the first time
>there's only a month left before the EU signatures end

>>713588113
>Why did people think this neanderthal had any credibility?
Because he was heavily pushed in the algorithms and paraded around by other popular figures who didn't bother fact checking him and looking at his credentials.
All the normies saw was Smort programmer talk about cyber security in easy terms.

Thor is not the first or last of the confidence man type. This shit keeps happening because they are pushed by other authority midwits and consumed by those who don't know any better.
There are tons of notable examples of this happening such as, Jack Murphy (alpha male life coach who did gay cam shit) Antitia Sarkeesan (feminist who claimed to be a gamer whilst lecturing she doesn't and despises videogames) Elizabeth homles (tech guru who sold a scam on fake tech) and the list just goes on and on.

People are retards and do not use logical reasoning skills let alone on topics they don't understand. That's why they listen to the "experts" so then they can have the information broken down to them.

The only reason faggot Asmonggold stopped making skg videos is because of Thor being his friend

>>713588817
>Running a centralized server is cheaper than making solutions for users to use client hosted software
Nigga, u gey

>>713588765
That's unrelated to what I said. Original WC3 is still playable on battle.net, and there are Koreans playing it right now. Delisting games has nothing to do with SKG.

>>713588659
>you can always trust your government to create laws that have your best interests in mind

>>713588859
You realize they'd have to do both now, right?

>>713584764
now you understand why laws are required!

>>713588817
Will it really? "Have a responsible end-game plan" is not really "generating costs".

FULL ON MOLD DRAMA

>>713581521
>all those words to say literally nothing

>>713588917
>t. guy who's made 0 games

>>713588809
are you truly so illiterately 2nd language 3rd world that you can't grasp the basic principle of cost comparison?

>>713588890
They don't have to do both, if they were smart they could do the latter solution only which saves on cost.

>>713588859
>they should just recode the network model for me
>a network model that was implemented because nobody born after 1963 knows how to forward a port
>>713588917
At the end of the game, the game's over. Don't blame the Patriots because they went home after the Superbowl instead of running the ball more for you to watch.

>>713588280
yeah nice reading comprehension faggot. there's a difference between saying they're all retards when e-celebs start to shit on each other when things go south and it's too late to course correct and trying to defend another retard e-celeb by shitting on another.

also
>literally using the you hate X then you must like Y argument
oh right, im arguing with a twitter retard

>>713588708
Nice.

>>713588817
>The reason to be against SKG is it's going to raise costs
the near elimination of physical copies of games, memorilibia that used to traditionally come with games and improvements in technology making developing games easier and cheaper can more than make up for the shortfall in implementing pro-consumer actions, like making sure their product continues to exist after purchase.

>>713588045
it is because splinter cell is an issue i dealt with. I under stand its not gonna bring up the majoirty of the argument but still.

co-op not being able to be accessed is still an example of how shit having a kill switch sucks booty cheeks.

having to HAVE an online connection for a single player game is also trash, once they shut the servers down you lose ass creed, and people paid money for it. it is 100 a consumer rights issue

>>713588940
Just admit you fucked up. You can't say "Well this game that still works hired 1000 Indians, so this other vague game that may or may not have 1000 Indians should never end." That's not making a point.

If live service and online-only games didn't exist, this movement would not have needed to exist.

>>713588969
Maybe people should learn how to port forward then. If that's what it takes for me to keep playing games then fuck it.

>>713588493
They're parasites that are actively making the internet and life worse, we would all be better without them

>>713588947
How the fuck are you gonna host anything but trash client-side only

>>713588736
Mass Effect still has fans?

>>713588834
whilst he has a wife, he was also recently exposed in having a furboy lover, so this ones still yours gay community furry. Sorry.

>>713583142
>Oh shit I'm sorry.

>>713589045
I dunno, how did games 20 years ago do it?

>>713589064
No, he's definitely yours. Marriage is the commitment, not some random chat.

>>713588969
>they should just recode the network model for me
no they should do that because if stg passes the governments will fine their ass if they don't.

>>713589083
By being 1v1 games mostly.

>>713589006
Live service games are based on the service. Without the service, the game is pointless. Again, if you don't like that concept, don't play live service games. Have self control. Nobody forced you to smoke crack when it flooded into your neighborhood. You chose to, then blamed me for selling it to the dealer.
>>713589034
It's telling when even Valve can't trust retards to run servers.
>>713589047
It had 2 good entries, and wasn't thoroughly raped enough to sour it like Star Wars. I have cautious optimism that the winds will have shifted enough for 4 to be halfway decent.

>>713580294 (OP)
Why the fuck is Thor against this when his name of his studio is called PIRATE Software he should support this but apparently not. Hell he even dug his grave with this.

>>713588917
you don't get it anon the same trillion dollar companies in the widely respected gaming industry known for its good faith that are too stingy to pay for music licenses for their old games leading to their entire atmosphere being gutted but apparently having enough money to pay for multiple shitty fucking remakes that get BTFO by literal amateur modders 20 years ago actually know better what to do with their money than any of the people that actually buy and play their games

>>713589152
Valve doesn't trust retards in general, that's not a good argument.

>>713589034
Half the planet is already or will be behind Dualstack Lite or CGNAT. Port forwarding is a relic of the past and IPv6 doesn't need it anymore.

>>713588972
no more nigga posting anon? Did you lose your nerves now that you were called out? You afraid there are some powerful young bucks around that might hear you type the dreaded n-word and beat your white lil ass?

>>713589075

What Charlie fails to realize is that Thor worked for Blizzard for seven years.

>>713589175
Because that's just a name to give off a false impression. Thor's probably the biggest corposhill to ever gain such traction.

>>713589014
>Just admit you fucked up
It's not that I fucked up, I think you might actually be too low IQ to grasp my point, which is alarming, because its not a very difficult point to grasp.

>>713589296
You made your point, I explained how it's retarded and makes no sense, and now you're being defensive. We can all see it.

>>713589107
it makes him bisexual, at the very least, which makes him yours. I don't make the rules anon.

don’t know why anyone would be against stg, we already have a example of how a game would look like if the made up situation created pirate happened, it’s called Elden Ring Nightreign. A game with a online focus with live service elements but still has a offline mode balanced for solo play

>>713580294 (OP)
i think the worst thing is that pirate simply lied about what stop killing games was about and then said that the lie he made up was stupid and thats why stop killing games is bad
aka he made a strawman and his audience is too stupid to notice that he did it.

>>713589351
Traps are barely gay, not even I'd touch them. And the girl is the one he's fucking. He's yours.

>>713588491
but if they would decide to kill it and make you pay. why not just keep supporting it? that's still anti consumer

>>713589381
Originally it was a "Might as well?" thing for me but so many people are retarded with how game development works that I'd rather them suffer now.

>>713589282
Thor is the biggest exmaple of an oxymoron

>>713588708
BASED

>>713589381
Games litterally don't even need a dedicated single player mode, just the option to allow you to connect to other players via LAN

Stop Killing Games!
Kill PirateSoftware instead!

>>713587340
Keeping old game alive doesn't make the funny green line go up

>>713589343
>You made your point
But I don't think you understand what that point was. Again, I don't think you have the IQ to understand, which is alarming, because its not a hard point to grasp.

>>713589464
Hell yeah, but spare the ferrets

>>713588780
an adult with a brain would understand this is needed for gaming as a whole and the burning of the industry is just a happy coincidence

>>713589396
>Traps are barely gay, not even I'd touch them

>>713589489
You just didn't think it through and just wanted to bitch about AC hiring Indians even though AC doesn't really fit very well.

>>713589538
No they're getting shoved up his ass.

>>713589381
Sorry bub to much work for devs to create a offline mode. Why didn’t you think of how much hard work it would take just for the poor AAA indie devs to copy fromgods

>>713589436

Man, you can really see the exact point itt where it got flooded with degenerate terminally online discord trannies.

>>713589547
anon i'll try one last time, and it's okay if you don't get it. The world needs its ditch diggers.
>assassins creed spends money on 1k indians
>lots of money
>end of life support baked into development from start costs SOME money
>logically, hiring 1k indian developers would cost more
>by comparison, if companies can hire 1k indians, they can surely afford to plan out and implement end of life care for games.
Do you understand?

>>713589152
lol
lmao even

>>713588817
the games industry as a whole makes more vs the movie and music industry while still shoving mtx and high prices down our throats. they have no excuse and the idea it will make it more costly is just retarded.

>game ded sorry no play
>urm also its going to cost me 10 billion burgers to make it so u can play still while i dont support it any longer, have fun paying 200 plus tip :)

it would get shit on in an instant if goverment saw it and spotted how ass greedy it is. let alone consumers would shit on it and cause a pr nightmare and just open up more issues for corpos and devs that consumers will ass fuck.

>>713589657
>by comparison, if companies can hire 1k indians, they can surely afford to plan out and implement end of life care for games.
They did. The game is still playable. Your point completely fall apart here. The companies that can't afford this and are dying are the ones that can't implement this.

>>713589565
>>713589538
whats with cute fox-like creatures and freaks wanting access to them? First there was the fox-chick who just seppuku'd and now there's piratesoftware.

>>713586886
stop making your personality being a retarded contrarian

>>713589807
>facts is being a retarded contrarian

>>713589734
>The companies that can't afford this and are dying are the ones that can't implement this.
the initiative is not retroactive. Its fantastic you see my point however,as that means you're not at least pants on head retarded, which is good!

>>713589832
NTA but I hope you get raped by a pack of feral niggers

>>713589842
I didn't say it was or wasn't retroactive, I'm saying you're applying standards to some X company and calling it a "point"

>>713589452
I think the point that’s being made here>>713589381 is that when fromsoftware is done with nightreign and take the server down the game will be left in a playable state thanks to its offline mode which allows the possibility of people modding it to allow multiplayer again. This is probably the most ideal solution to every game where it simply having a offline option is good enough since modders can eventually figure out how to make it work again

>>713589847
But Im right

>>713589894
No, you're a fag

>they picked The Crew to center this campaign around
LMAO
M
A
O

no wonder it failed, none of you can even honestly say you want to play it in 2025

>>713589936
Nobody signed an internet petition for Valve to refund people. Deal with it.

>>713589464
Majority of Thor's drama could've prevented if he learned to shut up.

>>713589869
we are trying to apply standards to gaming companies, by going through the EU! That's good! You're starting to get it! I'm proud of you, you'll get there yet! Look at you figuring stuff out! Good job!

>>713589965
He's way too narcissistic to do that.

>>713589969
The EU needs to be covered in thermite. Who even cares about Madagascar?

>>713589969
Wow! That's a completely different post than the 1000 pajeets thing you were trying to vomit out before. Good job trying to forget about that!

>>713589962
Ok, homo

There are valid reasons to be pro killing games (I myself am very pro killing games), but the asinine claims of "it would cost developers too much to not kill games" is a bold faced lie that discredits the pro killing games position. It costs developers more to develop games as online only in the first place.

>>713590051
Sorry, fag

>>713589452
>dedicated single player mode
thats not what stg is about you fuck
its just making them playable
giving out the code for the game and letting people make custom, private servers is what stg is about.
its already done with wow classic private servers
and the devs didnt have to do any work at all.
(granted it was stolen code or whatever but the point stands)

>>713590082
>(granted it was stolen code or whatever but the point stands)
It kinda doesnt.

>>713590052
They would have to do both to make the game they want now which would cost more
>bold faced lie
oh you're retarded never mind

>>713590068
lmao I accept your defeat

>>713589832
I'm not going to argue with you because 10 other anons have already done so but thios is just an initiative to make the government look at it and you keep responding with the same 2 lines
>you think this will seriously lead to more consumer rights?
>just stop playing gacha
you are a retarded contrarian

>>713589890
This. Also take an example of overwatch. A "reasonable state" could be a server bin that let you make a server, all with application parameters. And then you have to connect to it writing commands in the game (like some old source games).
No interface, no other server binaries compiled for X systems. Nothing like that, just a server binary that lets you play with your friends

>>713585017
>>713582868
Hi pirate

>>713590037
you're almost resembling a human, so I don't have to call you a pajeet anymore, which is good! Keep it up and maybe you'll be reincarnated as an arab or something, one day!
>>713590012
Relax, anon. That's illegal.

>>713590012
The EU is actively killing itself, don't worry

>>713590134
>I'm not going to argue with you but I am going to bring up unrelated greentext
Golly

>>713590160
So even someone "almost resembling a human" made you see how fucking stupid your ""point"" was. Amazing!

>>713590156
>everyone who disagrees with me is my boogeyman
>that means everyone in the world is on my side, and there's only 1 (one) detractor

>>713590203
anon, making up imaginary scenarios in your head isn't healthy. Why don't you go record yourself walking in front of a train or something? You might go viral

>>713590258
Oh dear, he's blocked out the memory of how hard he fucked up.

>>713581521
Guy could have just admitted that he didn't quite understand the idea behind SKG and move on but no - he has to be a bitch about it.
No regret blocking his ass on youtube - that dogshit site kept trying its best to shill me his content to a point it got extremely annoying.

>>713589136
what?

>>713590573
This was back in the days of port forwarding, zoomers like you wouldnt get it.

>>713590126
>It kinda doesnt.
it does thoever
because no extra work was required by the devs
which is pirats entire point is that devs would have to create an entirely different single player experience/version of the game
which 1: no one is asking for and 2: isnt needed.
hes just lying.

the EU approved a law making software and firmware be considered as products. So even if the 1million votes fails we already won.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2023/739341/EPRS_BRI(2023)739341_EN.pdf

>if Ubisoft can hire 1000 pajeets, then companies can afford to keep a game alive
>but the game that did that IS still alive, so they're doing just that
>no you must not understand my point, Im saying if Ubisoft can hire Indians, other companies can afford to keep their games alive
>you just made the same bizarre point
>UHH I HOPE YOU GET HIT BY A TRUCK

>>713590702
>because no extra work was required by the devs
There's nothing stopping anyone from just doing the same thing and stealing code now except lack of interest by anyone who cares, so there'd be no need for any law.

>>713590613
ok retard. not every game was 1v1 though. i know how to port forward.

>>713590804
Most games that required you to connect to someone were.

>>713590785
>There's nothing stopping anyone from just doing the same thing and stealing code
except for the fact that its illegal. and the devs will sue you.
and its very hard to "steal code" and make the game actually work.

>>713590150
You fucking retard this shit is already covered by the acceptable playability segment in the movement. Thor is the one trying to poison the well by saying there needs to be a tight scope on how this should be defined by throwing out some arbitrary example to create a red herring so people get caught up in the nuance of something that was meant to be flexible in the first place.

>>713590860
Steal it better like WoW did. If you're legally force them to give it out it's just legal stealing anyway.

The problem with keeping games alive like The Crew is that companies don't want that and even if the law demands it - they will just find a way to bullshit their way out of it.
>oh yeah we definitely would love to make our source and everything public so that the fans can make their own servers and keep the game running but sadly this is impossible because our software isn't actually our software and we run a bunch of middleware from third party companies who make money offering their services so fans would have to unite and create their own entity to work with that company in order to get anything done

>>713590707
>he EU approved a law making software and firmware be considered as products.
also australia has very strong consumer protections so that even if the devs dont make it playable after the servers are turned off you could get them to give you a full refund.

>>713590785
>There's nothing stopping anyone from just doing the same thing
Do you not know what the word steal means?

>>713590702
I can't tell what he's supposed to get out of spreading these lies
Because surely no one could be that retarded, right?

>>713590897
>legal stealing
hi pirate

>>713590916
If you repeated the definition do you think that would somehow change the post? Which part?

>>713590954
Why yes, I do pirate, thanks.

>>713590968
go ragebait elsewhere.

>>713590910
i would hope the law can force them to cut out the middle man or make them figure out a way to allow it to happen or face a hefty fucking fine

>>713591005
Great non-answer.

>>713591008
>figure out a way to allow it to happen or face a hefty fucking fine
Remember when you said dev costs wouldn't increase

>>713591026
im not giving a real answer to a ragebaiter.

>>713591049
Nor could you give one.

>>713590894
Yeah I know. I was just trying to build an example of what "reasonably playable" could be

>>713590762
>he's so assblasted he's making random non-linked posts
Oh this is too good. Calling you a pajeet really raised your hackles, eh? I already left for another thread, faggot. Keep seething, its great

>>713591141
Just wanted to sum up your retardation for everyone :)

>>713590968
>take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it
Are you a nigger or something? Do you think steal is some neutral word that doesn't imply wrongdoing? Do you think everyone commits crimes as easily as breathing like you?

>>713591184
You think "its wrong!" is the only reason it doesn't happen?

>>713591227
It's one of the reasons. You said nothing was stopping people from people from doing the same thing with other games, like the devs just leave that shit on GitHub or something. You're incoherent.

>>713590082
>thats not what stg is about you fuck
>its just making them playable

That's my exact point you dumbass: devs wouldn't need to add dedicated single player modes to comply, they could just have their still-MP only games permit LAN connections with no other changes

>>713591362
A determined, skilled enough person CAN do it. I didnt say they WILL. Im sorry nobody good enough cares about whatever dead game youre crying about.