Almost all mainstream MMORPGs (FFXIV, Guild Wars 2, OSRS) go way out of their way to avoid "traditional class tropes", to the point that being traditional is way more unique than not.

What is the difficulty in letting me play a mage AND letting me feel like a mage? What is the point of giving a two-handed sword to a mage? Or letting a warrior use a wand? Why do they love doing this

>>713611969 (OP)

>>713612268
whaty

>>713611969 (OP)
Osrs is not the same as gw2 and ffxiv. Do not put it even remotely close to them. Games like ffxiv and gw2 build their classes off unqiue identities that work within their power systems. Osrs is a slop game for retards.

Btw you can use swords on mages(gw2) because if you pay attention to the combat and lore they're used as a catalyst. Mesmers fire lazers out of greatswords. Elementalists channel fire wind water and earth through them. The weapon skills are made sure to make 100% sense in lore of the universe before release. You're just retarded

>>713615741
>Mesmers fire lazers out of greatswords. Elementalists channel fire wind water and earth through them.
Ok but this is retarded

>>713616045
But it's not though the OP(albeit bait) is complaining about immersion and the class system in both gw2 and ffxiv nail it perfectly. Much better than WoW ever could. The magelike classes all have a reason to use the weapons they do and offer other options. Melee weapons like swords axes greatswords and spears are turned into ranged options that fit thematically with the class feel lore accurate and play well. The mage classes in ffxiv (white black red astro etc) don't have this problem to begin with and you're retarded if you think otherwise.

>>713615741
>Btw you can use swords on mages(gw2) because if you pay attention to the combat and lore they're used as a catalyst
I know that, but it still breaks class fantasy. Even if it "makes sense" in the lore.

>>713615741
still a retarded concept
it is not hard to innovate with your classes without breaking class fantasy
I hate using wow as an example but they have a traditional priest that can spec into discipline and heal people by absorbing energy from the enemies through shadow spells, you wouldn't se that often when they released it and it does not break class fantasy because you're still a priest wearing robes and holding a wand/staff

>>713616756
>>713616930
The issue is you're citing slop like WoW as your default. Who decides what weapons classes should use? It's not like there isn't other options my post is in defense of melee options not because they're the only choice. Staves wands focus etc are all options you can take on all mage classes. No one is forcing you to use certain weapons for your own personal gameplay. The reality is that class fantasy is per universe and not limited to the scope of Earth or whatever Tolkien tier bullshit you've brainwashed yourself with.

>>713617639
>The issue is you're citing slop like WoW as your default. Who decides what weapons classes should use?
DnD

>>713618893
Except in dnd anyone can do multiclass dip and become proficient in martial weapons using them as just weapons and nothing else interesting or unqiue. Where's the class fantasy when I play a sorcerer with a a sword or spear in DnD?

>>713611969 (OP)
>wow
>class fantasy
lmao
the only MMO that actually tried to work off it was TOR, and we saw how that ended up

>>713619317
If you pick up a spear as mage you are trolling in typical dnd fashion

>>713621105
Did not answer my question. Objectively class fantasy is better in gw2 and ffxiv than DnD because there's limits and lore use cases + special moves that are class specific tied to each weapon to fit thematically. In dnd I can take a greatsword or war axe on a thief sorcerer etc just because I feel like it and have no exclusivie or thematically tied reasons as to why. So again show me where "class fantasy" originates.

>>713621875
One of the guiding principles of DnD is freedom so yes you can "pick up" any object, it's just freestyle fanfiction with a RPG system underneath. The proficiency system will discourage you from using a sword as a wizard, but nothing stops you from autistically training your proficiency and then doing it.

This does not invalidate the fact that in >90% of DnD games people will stick to traditional class fantasies. And when they innovate they are going out of their way to do so and are self-aware of it.

GW2 forces this "innovation" on everyone and it sucks. You say I could just use wands but when I played arcanist the wand moveset was garbage.

>>713621105
In OSR game i'm in my wizard is doing pretty well with a crossbow.

>>713622563
Yes and OSRS is also part of my complaints, read the OP.

>>713611969 (OP)
How does FFXIV avoid traditional class tropes? We have:

>Sturdy melee classes: Sword and board, Zweihander, Axe
>Shrimpy damage focused fighters: Fist, Lance, Bow, Gun
>Wizards n sheit: Staff, Staff, Book.

There's classes with more exotic weapons but they still conform to general themes. One that would trigger your 'tism the most is Red Mage but they're supposed to be like musketeers but with magic.

>>713622608
>OSR
>OSRS
Anon, OSR is shorthand for tabletop games that seek to replicate the "classic" (pre-3e) D&D experience.

>>713622275
Rules for thee and not for me. When DnD allows class freedom it's good but when MMOs allow it, then it's a problem? Your personal opinion on if the movesets are good or bad is irrelevant you're clearly just hating to hate.

>>713623051
Didn't know
>>713623212
GW2 is the opposite of freedom, it FORCES me to use certain weapons if I want certain spells. You literally can't be a caster mesmer unless you use a 2-handed sword, the wand spells feel like using a sword.

>>713624502
Except it doesn't force you to use anything you've never played the game and are just making things up. For mesmer specializations meta weapons are wand shield rifle, sword dagger spear, staff axe axe. The only content in the game that anyone would "force you to use" anything is end game raids. You can do over 99% of content with any weapons you want including in pvp and can make it work just fine. I'll accept your last post as a concession so this is your last (YOU)

>>713621078
WoW 100% plays into class fantasy. One of its strengths imo is how there is alot of utility shit that has no or little tie into combat, and so many MMOs don't do anything like it and just have pure combat abilities

Mage
>Can conjure food and tables of it
>make mana crystals
>teleport to cities
>make portals
>can copy another player's appearance temporarily
>can become invisible
>slow fall
>turn people into sheep and critters

>>713611969 (OP)
>What is the point of giving a two-handed sword to a mage?
If I can't dual wield greatswords and cast magic at the same time then the game is shit. There needs to be some path to this
>monks use magic to make body better but cant wear armor or use weapons
>mages have high magic but can't pick up a sword
>warriors can hold whatever they want but cant cast a spell
>battlewizards use flimsy poking sticks
>greatswords are useless in general due to slow speed and dual wielding is useless in general due to penalties
Arcane warrior battlemage combo in dragon age origins is tge closest you can get to being a god of destruction on the battlefield but even they are forced to use sword and board for maximum output.
The only series that even lets you do what I want is fucking Soulsbornering ignoring sekiro.

>>713611969 (OP)
isnt wow/warcraft one of the most notorious for diluting its fluff so much as to allow anything?
i'm guessing this is just a shitpost thread

>>713626568
No it isn't? I have no idea what you are talking about

>>713622919
Aesthetically, sure, but gameplay-wise XIV is incredibly boring when it comes to differentiating classes

>>713611969 (OP)
>Bard
>It's actually a bow-mage who has attacks such as "Shadowbite" and "Bloodlettting" (you know, blood and darkness, just what you imagine when you think of "Bard")
>Basically doesn't even play songs at all other than to apply buffs every 2 minutes (and they only play said song for a split second animation)

I don't think anyone at CBU3 even knows what a "bard" is. Pic related is a bard done correctly.

>>713627061
The best headcannon for bard in 14 is that WoL wrote every song that plays in every boss fight.

>>713627061
This

>>713627061
canonically speaking you're singing the three songs that you rotate between and temporary buffs like paean are flourishes within those 3 songs

FFXIV removing job quests was the most soulless shit ever. Lazy fucking japs.

>>713611969 (OP)
>aside from WoW
opinion discarded. That shit is literally the Disney version of warhammer fantasy

>>713611969 (OP)
this pasta is stale

>>713626568

It has lost some identity over the years but a lot of it was added back as kinda hidden content. Like the spell book for the Rogue swirly ball or all the different Polymorph spells you can find at hidden vendors, or all the different variations of Shamans' Hex spell that drop from dungeons and shit.

>>713627061
Bard should've been a healer and every one of your abilities should involve playing music/singing, change my mind.

Also we Archer should've branched into Ranger so we'd have a proper bow class.

>>713627590
This you, little buddy?

>but the balance isn't good
Yup, don't care, still fun today
Completely put me off XIV years ago and haven't looked back
I actually look back often but it looks like it keeps getting worse

>>713611969 (OP)
>aside from WoW
You're about 10 years late, buddy. Remember bring the player, not the class? That's the moment they abandoned the idea of class fantasy.

>>713627061
The only good Bard class was in Ragnarok

>>713626568
Basically. Except it was added over time instead of right off the bat, so it's just a humiliation ritual whenever it happens.

>>713628406
>everyone is one person

maybe you are the one who needs to learn about the garlemald twelve dekateification golbez armor

>>713627195
Does WUWA actually have fun gameplay or are you baiting?

How this look for paladin dawntrail

>>713628719
>Not denying it
>Actually doing the schizo babble shit
Go back to WoW and stay there.

>>713611969 (OP)
have they added undead paladins or holy warlocks yet

>>713629808
>the archivist is in the obvious shitposting thread

you aren't very good at this

>>713629434
It's basically a live service version of Sekiro/Devil May Cry so yes, it's a 10/10 in gameplay in my opinion

>>713629882
>undead paladins
confirmed for next expansion
>holy warlocks
well no

>>713629456
Not conquistador enough

>>713628623
Poor?

>>713629434
>Does WUWA actually have fun gameplay or are you baiting?
Yes and it's significanlty better at the cinematic aspect that FFXIV so pathetically tries to do (which it can't because CBU3 refuses to do pre-rendered cutscenes for some unknown reason so every cutscene has to be done in the dogshit ingame engine which severely limits them).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hOPE5bee_o

They even do a far better "WALK" scene at the end here than Endwalker's did. Because again, you know, they actually do pre-rendered cutscenes, but also because the cinematography direction in WuWa is 1000x better than FFXIV ever could hope to be. All of this is part of why jap games are losing to China.

>>713629882
Yes, undead are becoming paladins in the next expansion and the lightforged can already be warlocks.

>>713630210
And I know the reason they don't do pre-rendered is so that the player character can appear, but then the PC does literally nothing in every cutscene anyway but stand there so why even bother? Might as well just do what WoW does and have pre-rendered cutscenes where the player is absent if they aren't gonna let us actually meaningfully participate in any scene.

>>713629957
Neither of those specific two games are good. Does it come close to Nioh or Stranger of Paradise? How badly monetized is it? Do I need to go through a stupidly long MSQ? What's the content like?

>>713629957
>fromslop
thanks, i'll skip any recommendation you make

>>713630210
>cutscenes every 3 seconds interrupting the game
>garbage genshin gameplay style
>gacha
How the fuck do you DARE compare this to real MMORPGs

Since we got thread like this - which MMO right now would be best option if I just want to help random people in dungeons runs as healer?

I avoid WoW and Korean mmo because of "anti-cheat" spyware inside but I really miss these good times. Closest out of "modern" ones is TESO but it have pretty much only one healing class.

>>713611969 (OP)
Class fantasy? It's rare for modern MMOs to even have classes and races to choose from anymore. They're all just overwatch/diablo """classes""" now with a preset look and playstyle. Or even worse, your """class""" is purely determined on what weapon you happen to have equipped.
I don't really like XIV but at least it get classes and races correct.

>>713630482
>cutscenes every 3 seconds interrupting the game
That's all I needed to hear. I'll stop the download now.

>>713629456
john finalfantasy sugoi

>>713611969 (OP)
>What is the difficulty in letting me play a mage AND letting me feel like a mage? What is the point of giving a two-handed sword to a mage? Or letting a warrior use a wand?
>Posts FFXIV where that literally does not happen

>>713630854
it's literally nu genshin impact, doesn't come even close to competing with WoW or FFXIV, that guy is a retard

>>713630351
>webm
is that your character? did you customize them yourself?

>>713630374
>sekiro isn't good
Filtered, stick to genshit
>>713630480
Filtered genkek

>>713630480
let me guess you like clair 33

Tying classes to one weapon only is so weird
Let me be a warrior with a sword for fucks sake

>>713631182
>is that your character? did you customize them yourself?
No tranny you don't make your own characters in these games, but it has the customization that matters, which is RPG elements (like build variation). Not that you xivvies would understand or appreciate that.

>>713631817
>you don't make your own characters in these games
Pass then.

>>713630482
>cutscenes every 3 seconds interrupting the game
Sounds like the average FFXIV boss fight post Shadowbringers. Somebody post the webm of Gaia interupting the Ryne-Shiva fight for 2 whole minutes.

Gatcha shills are the scum of the earth

>>713628623
RO has great identity for player jobs actually, shame what happened with renewal, but at least there's always pservers.

>>713630984
>WoW or FFXIV
Both dog shit games that fail at being what they advertise

>>713630482
>>713630854
That's the final fight of a major story chapter so of course there's cutscenes involved. You play FFXIV so you have zero right to complain about cutscenes interrupting bossfights when you have shit like pic-related happening on the regular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kye324j2vEc

>>713631923
>Gatcha shills are the scum of the earth
You're just mad that wuwa filtered you just like sekiro did, you skillless little pussy

Ah I see this just another FUCK XIV thread.

>look my functionally single player anime girl slot machine game is so pretty with all the unreal engine 5 default sparkles :3
Who cares? Go to your gacha threads.

>>713631401
>Anon says he hates from games
>Accuse him of liking the turn based game that forces from mechanics into it
???

>>713631897
strange interpretation, calling a phase change an interruption

>>713632062
I used to play FFXIV. Now I'm here to get people to stop playing it because Naoki Yoshida ruined it to cut costs.

>>713628308
I disagree on the basis that having those hard locked in roles in general is a mistake because they're using them to define the class design instead of designing the class then putting them in a loose fitting category. It should be considered as a support class with focus on giving buffs/debuffs to allies/enemies instead of healing.

>not only wowfags but now also gachafags feel threatened by xiv
strong....

>>713632112
Keep playing your waifu slot machine, loser

>>713632062
>shit like pic-related happening on the regular:
Other than phase transitions, this almost never happens. This was only egregious because of Wuk Lamat's involvement in the scene.

>>713631290
gensharts eternally btfo

>>713631290
Jesus

>>713628436
I still play PUP and I love every second of it.

>>713631290
KEK

>>713631290
BRUTAL mog...

>>713632062
xivniggers are pathetic, their own CEO told them to fuck off and stop playing until 8.0

why are gachajeets picking fights with mmos?

>>713632767
Because gachas have supplanted MMOs

>>713632767
mmotrannies fear the gacha coomers

>>713632952
They don't even provide the same things.

>>713632767
Whales defend their territory
Have to justify spending 100s of $ rolling for waifu #15

>>713632767
they wish their singleplayer waifu lottery were a true mmo

>>713632175
>strange interpretation, calling a phase change an interruption
Yes anon a cutscene in the middle of a boss fight is an interruption, if you think >>713630210
is an interruption you must agree that the cutscenes in the middle of FFXIV fights like in E8 or Interphos. You have literally ZERO right to criticize any other game for cutscenes in the middle of boss fights when that happens ALL THE TIME in FFXIV. The only difference is the cutscenes in FFXIV aren't pre-rendered and because of that less interesting to watch so it's even worse.

Oh, even worse, that WuWa fight? The cutscenes only happen in the story version, and you can SKIP IT. The regular repeatable boss version of Fleurdelys doesn't have cutscenes, literally only a story fight (which you can only do once) will ever have a cutscene and they're entirely skippable. The story in WuWa is broken up into chapters spread accross patches, and each chapter is only 2-3 hours long and the vast majority of it is gameplay.

MEANWHILE IN FFXIV: Not only are the cutscenes unskippable, but you have to watch them EVEN IF YOU ALREADY BEAT THE BOSS ONCE. So every time you que into Interphos you have to watch the same fucking cutscene every fucking time. Not to mention the story in FFXIV is obnoxiously long, 20-30 hours per MSQ with 90% of it being yapping and cutscenes. And what little gameplay you have is mindnumbingly easy.

So this entire argument against WuWa is bunk and bad-faith I would go as far as to say.

>>713633207
Backwards thinking, MMOs are tired of only making 1/10th of what gachas make.

>>713631867
>>you don't make your own characters in these games
>Pass then.
I know sister, it's so terrible. Not like FFXIV, which lets me truly express myself.

>>713633339
Yeah, it isn't really my thing. I play MMOs to make a character and play with other people. Not to fly around a singleplayer world with one of a limited predetermined designs.

>>713632695
>DT and XVI bomb so badly that the ceo throws CBU3 under the bus
Trannies, not even once.

>>713630482
>garbage genshin gameplay style
Shut the fuck up

>paywalled aethercurrents
>timegated dungeons
>paywalled relics and weapon glows
kekaROOOOOOOOO

>>713631290
>Zepla got filtered by Genshin and went back to FFXIV/WoW
Damn is Genshin that bad now that even ZEPLA would rather play Dawntrail, or worse, WoW? Or did her Hoyo sponsorship money dry up?

>the “prove you play the game” 1.0 dude comes online in Discord
>folder dumping starts in /v/
Curious

>>713633243
I'm pretty sure this >>713630482 anon was referring to the active gameplay being full of cutscenes. Not actual cutscenes but moves where your character isn't doing anything but playing some elaborate animation. Also, again, I don't think anyone here actively plays FFXIV anymore.

>>713633243
why in the fuck is a filthy sinophile talking to me. as to be expected of West China

>>713633649
we all knew that long ago? lol

>>713633601
>paywalled aethercurrents
YOu need to update your script
aethercurrents are not paywalled
You can pay to unlock them instantly as opposed to unlocking the normal way. Tired of correcting you fags

>>713631290
>>713633554
Every video I see of actual gameplay, wuwa shits all over genshin. It's embarrassing

>>713633447
>I play MMOs to make a character and play with other people. Not to fly around a singleplayer world with one of a limited predetermined designs.
You can literally play WuWa with other players. I was flying around with some dude farming mats for Lupa the other day.

>>713633554
I've never been in chink gacha threads but I guess it's no surprise they're subject to obvious cherry picks by 3rd world schizos

>>713616045
A classic magic trope is using items to channel magic because it would generally kill the caster if they channeled the raw power through themselves. It's completely in line with magic user lore.

>>713633334
>MMOs are tired of only making 1/10th of what gachas make.
That's every game and it's not an argument.

>>713633717
>You can literally play WuWa with other players. I was flying around with some dude farming mats for Lupa the other day.
People incidentally occupying the same world space with you isn't the same as a multiplayer game.

come home

>>713633783
no way, marketer kun

>>713618893
>cites DnD
>where mages can learn to use swords and melee combat skills

>>713633780
>>713633601
>>713633334
>>713633129
FFXIVly reminder

>>713633654
>Not actual cutscenes but moves where your character isn't doing anything but playing some elaborate animation.
Yeah those are called Ultimates. Which are like Limit Breaks except they're actually cool and useful. They actually do fuckloads of damage, unlike a Limit Break in FFXIV which does -1% of a boss's HP (despite taking a 3-6 second animation). Some provide big buffs, or cause you to enter a significantly more powerful alt-form like pic-related.

>>713633910
save yourself

>>713633918
wait wait wait
Don't go against our WuWa allies
delete this RIGHT NOW

>>713615741
>gw2
>play necromancer
>raising the dead is barely a mechanic not even worth doing
>all elite specializations are specifically about not raising the dead
nice class fantasy

>>713633660
>why in the fuck is a filthy sinophile talking to me
You play FFXIV, a heavily story-based game. Shouldn't you also be appreciative of cinematopraphy? Oh wait, you play FFXIV, which has dogshit cinematography, nevermind.

>>713633753
thats how black and red magic work in ffxiv too. white magic is a bit safer as its not as volatile

and before someone corrects me i know thaumaturgy and conjury are different than black and white magic

>>713633649
>the “prove you play the game” 1.0 dude comes online in Discord
who? what is his name

>>713632695
lol 14 has just been getting raped in the past year, all because of a Starbucks troon

>>713633962
very cool animations. looks like a very boring game to play long-term. Thank you for convincing me to pass.

>>713633910
jfc

>>713633983
no thanks, marketer kun

I only pirate and play actually good FF games.

>>713634105
>very cool animations. looks like a very boring game to play long-term. Thank you for convincing me to pass.

>>713634157
leave this wretched expansion (and game)

Why do gacha players feel so threatened by XIV? They don't even have significant overlap.

>>713633207
>Implying an modern "MMO" is a true MMO
lol

>>713634253
China good
Japan bad

>>713634253
>Why do gacha players feel so threatened by XIV? They don't even have significant overlap.
Seems like the opposite is the case in this thread though.

>>713634216
passing on that one, marketer-kun

dueling folder dumps
interesting

>>713633243
>>713631290
>>713633554
>>713633962
I'm glad to see wuwa doing so well

>>713634214
I don't know why you keep bringing up genshin impact. I'm not retarded enough to play a gacha because their gameplay is always shallow and boring. I quit FFXIV in its worst expansion(Shadowbringers) and I have played WoW for a collective time of 4 months over its entire lifespan. I was genuinely hoping for WuWa to be different but you've literally just shown me all I need to see. The game seems very mediocre from a gameplay standpoint. The fact you can parry doesn't suddenly make the game fun. In fact parries often trivialize character building.

The only game I've seen that completely takes advantage of parrying and makes it a great asset for class building as a mechanic is Stranger of Paradise. I earlier specifically asked if it was similar but you didn't read that I guess.

>>713634354
Sounds like little brother syndrome.

>>713634463
it's not too late

So what's Yoshida's excuse?

>>713634717
WoW is still the king, baby

>engaging in conversation with wowtards

>>713632695
I simply quit FFXIV and moved to WuWa and ZZZ because of Sena Bryer. I did not expect to be living in the timeline where the CEO himself shits on Yoshida and CBU3's tranny-pushing failures a year later.

>>713634717
it is, thoughever. because i'm utterly disinterested, marketer-kun

>>713633774
>People incidentally occupying the same world space with you isn't the same as a multiplayer game.
TRUE sister! WuWa lacks the IMMERSIVE social experienc that we can only experience in FFXIV.

>>713634752
He knows if he pulls that shit the game will die instantly since trannies and fag lovers make up 90% of the player base.

>>713634752
Well, you see
>Wuk Lamat is a single character that is existing for one expansion narrative and probably 3 patches in total, and Sena Bryer hasn't had a paying job, meaning no future work for FFXIV in the pipeline
>Paimon is a constantly present character, and it took 5 (FIVE) years to shitcan and replace the loon voicing the character
Square never got to the same point, so they can't do the same. Or are you saying they should keep Wuk's VA around for 5 years or something?

>>713634463
Shit like this is why Blizzard fell in quality, they tried their best to stop it by drinking at the office to remind employees what being a turbo nerd from the 80/90s was like. The current generation of developers are nothing but a bunch of trannies and gaylords who need to ruin everything they touch by inserting themselves into it. That hows we end up with shit writing like "The sons of lothar have always been about peace and tolerance" in the latest patch. Not even Chris Metzen can save Blizzard at this point.

>>713634963
Yes. As a person who wants a multiplayer game where you do cooperative group content with other people and you make your own character, a functionally single player game where you pick from a limited assortment of predetermined designs does not appeal to me, and I have no idea why any of you are bothering to compare the two. It's like a FPS player picking fights with a RTS player.

>>713633774
Only xivkeks move the goalposts this desperately lel

>>713634752
He's never getting fired, yoshitpiss doesn't have the balls and he loves mutilating children

>chinese game shilling stops
>folder dump begins

>>713635446
What content would I be doing together with other players in Wuwa or Genshin or whatever gacha you love?

>>713634854
Interestingly, HSR has a tranny VA (Tribbie's VA IIRC) and nobody cares. I wonder what the difference is?

>>713633774
>People incidentally occupying the same world space with you isn't the same as a multiplayer game.
That is literally FFXIV and WoW though?

>>713635604
Throne and Liberty also has a troon VA voicing a prominent upgrade NPC that players talk to every day. The difference is that they shut the fuck up, keep to themselves and don't spew leftist niggerfaggotry on bluesky

>>713633649
>says this
>doesn't actually identify the dude
Shiggy diggy.

>>713635624
All other things being equal, an action rpg is better than a turn-based one.

>>713633962
You won't convince a xivtranny to play any game with beautiful characters because, like all leftroons, they're modbeast freaks fundamentally opposed to beauty. See >>713632793 and >>713631817

>>713635604
>>713635776
that sucks because that means there's less chance they'll get shitcanned

>>713611969 (OP)
>bard
gay
>mage
gay
>thief
gay
>ranger
mega gay
>Paladin
CHAD

I find it funny that this wasn't even a XIV thread but it was still overtaken by malding about XIV.
The buck, as they say, is broken.

Why is virtually EVERY SINGLE WESTERN PLAYER'S character some grotesque modbeast (often modded into some creatura that doesn't even canonically exist in FFXIV's world, like a Hroth with a giant dragon tail, or an Au Ra with elf ears)? Like just go to twitter and type in #ffxivselfie.

Meanwhile, the JP players are always some wholesome normal looking character.

>>713611969 (OP)
>What is the point of giving a two-handed sword to a mage?
>Or letting a warrior use a wand?
I've been gaming for over 30 years and have never seen this anywhere

>>713636223
Likely because of yesterday's investor call where the Square CEO was forced to admit the twin failures of Dawntrail and XVI

Okay, now make a job like reaper but with claws
>mon-
No, big fucking protoype claws with which I can rip and tear
If my hands dont look like they belong in code vein its not good enough

Yoshida hasn't played his own game since fucking off to make FF16

>>713633554
How do you look at the video on the right and think it looks good
>>713633710
Samefag
>my vomit tastes better than your vomit!

Bitch just stop picking fights with real games like WoW or FFXIV it's embarrassing

>>713634752
You know why.

>>713636542
Sounds cool. But what would it be other than that?

>>713633243
Retard I am not talking about cutscenes I am talking about how every LITERAL 3 seconds your character stops to do a 2 second animation

You need to be truly subhuman to tolerate this

>>713636572
your "real game" has lost all its players, cultist

>>713636646
What do you mean?

>>713634752
So what you're saying is you want Sena Bryer to be part of XIV for half a decade shittalking fans before hesitantly being nudged away from the game?
Personally, I like the Sena/Wuk fucks off after 7.3 route, but you must really like him, to keep him around for 4 more years.

>>713634752
He's a nip herbivore is why

>>713634263

>>713636437
Guild Wars 2 and OSRS.

>>713636823

>>713636542
WoW's Druid is all about claws.

>>713636724
>>713634263
zivkeks have been seething all year about gachas taking all their money and players, it's endearing.

so are the mods going to ban the chinese barney spammer equivalent or what

>>713637107
no, because its probably him doing it

>>713637025
>haha turn into animul :)
Fucking disgusting
I hate shapeshifting
I only found out recently about something called the path of the beast barbarian in dnd and its pretty much what I want, you jsut grow a spiky tail and claws and fuck shit up.
Incidentally I also hate furry races in videogames

>>713636724
Far from defending FFXIV but if you have any sort of knowledge about graphs you'll see that in your pic they didn't "lose 75% of the playerbase", it's just lower than a one time peak but still consistent with the playerbase they had over the few years

>>713632695
CBU3 trannies require kyoani solutions, Kiryu-kun

>>713637265
he just posts shit and hopes no one notices, anon
no point in interacting with it

>>713637248
Druid is not a "furry race". You literally shapeshift into the animal, not some sort of fetish bait hybrid.

>>713611969 (OP)
FFXI does this well

>wowfags intimidated by xiv
>gachafags intimidated by xiv
Holy fuck.

>>713637373
I dont want to be a tiger, I want to be bootleg alex mercer

>>713636223
the ceo of square himself opened the floodgates, now ffxiv can enjoy its ignominious tranny death until the end of time

>>713637009
She looks perfect to deepfake

>>713636350
Because ugliness is still shamed in Japan.

https://youtu.be/TH6Wq4KWu7M

>>713637482
any day now

>>713632695
He needs to fire Sena, Yoshida, and Fullertroon.

Is this the thread for midweek avatar dumping and folder dumping and dump dumping?

>>713637804
so it seems

>>713637804
I'm guessing the daily Yoshida hate thread being saged got some anons really upset

>>713636350
Because Westerners have the abilities to go see a plastic surgeons to chop and modify their bodies however they want regardless if they'll look good or normal. That's how we end up with ghetto bitches chasing BBL and trannies cutting their dicks off. Beauty standards go to the far extreme and there' no hint of subtlety anymore because 90% of the population is retarded.

>>713637804
Little buddy is just making up for lost time here since we had a pretty good thread like an hour ago where the first half of it was actually good and productive discussion before the sperg found it and started shitting his diapies in it.

>>713637804
I'm about to dump a nasty wuk, holy shit my stomach hurts so bad

>>713638026
Too much TACOS

>>713637792
you missed one

>>713636924
I dunno about GW2, but OSRS actively punishes you for using melee weapons with most mage gear equipped. Same thing with most warrior gear. You're able to, but it's not very good. That's why most weapons have different BiS gear sets if you're just using that weapon.

The corruption and rot began to seep in with Kate Cwynar's they/them pixies in ShB, and now here we are.

>>713638296
Anon the entire OSRS meta is to gear swap. At one second you're a mage casting spells, at the next one you put a platebody with some helmet and now you're speccing with a 2h sword, then at the next tick you're a ranger.

It has absolutely zero class fantasy

>>713638360
She’s done it with the Loporrits and the gay bar in eulmore. Wild

I think most people would laugh if the folderdumper gets so angry one day that he has an aneurysm and dies.
What a legacy that would be.

>>713636773
It needs an identity. Just look at this shit.

>>713638004
It’s not truly complete until my fellow Sarg anon starts hating on us and says “prove you play the game” lol

>>713638262
>>Pink haired snowflake that can't stand player feedback that disagrees with her own personal tastes
>>Private tweets so she can get an echo chamber

Seems like a typical 2025 game dev to me now

>>713638438
>even his gender remains a mystery

>>713632952
Crystal of Atlan is fun, being able to work on my set bonuses without being forced to deal with 3-7 other retards is comfy

>>713638546
oh, folderdumper is the same dude
just say something to trigger that guy and he'll answer

>>713632695
Hey, I predicted the future. Neat

>>713638546
I know you play the game, Jacien.
>>713638641
So truuuee sister everyone is the one person!

>>713638374
Yeah, but it also has zero classes. It's a skill based (Not player skill, character skill) MMO. The fact that you're swapping not just the weapons, but actual gear as well (Equipping the platebody and help when you spec a 2h sword) means that it plays against the Mage with a greatsword or warrior with a wand.

>>713621105
>If you pick up a spear as mage you are trolling in typical dnd fashion
Sorcerer's starting package has a spear

>>713638718
one mistake in here: you are not a person

CLEAN IT UP JANNIES

>>713638850
Can you prove you play the game yet or are you still trying to set up a free trial account?

>>713638718
See. Told you he was in here when he got online. You do know I figured out your char, yeah? I wasn’t kidding when I mentioned the posting started when you came online in discord.

>>713638885
Can you prove that you are a person yet?

>>713638521
I used to have an idea for a videogame class like it and I called it a thrall, essentially an escaped experiment with shackles still on his arms.
The arms were more shadowy and fluid, a little bit like a wow voidwalker, and they would stretch out to swipe and grab, or grow to huge size to slam down.
Also had a grab where the hand got big, grabbed the guy and it started to crystalize from the shoulder all the way to the hand, effectily "iron maiden"-ing whoever you grabbed.
Not sure how else to strap an identity to it, you're just a guy with demonic arms

>>713638764
But it wasn't always like that. 15-20 years ago you had top tier class fantasy in OSRS because as you described there was an entire system designed to force you to go full melee, full mage or full ranged. This system is gone after the developers placed dozens of features to trivialize this, such as rune pouches and equipment that provides bonuses to two different styles.

Also you are expected to throw spells as a "warrior" or vice-versa against bosses with such low defense that the gear makes no difference. And these bosses are in every piece of endgame content.

>>713638865
Main sub removes and censors all news. Discussion sub is far more honest

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscussion/comments/1ljyydt/square_enix_president_kiryu_at_the_shareholders/

>>713638895
I've been online for a few hours now tho. But I wouldn't be surprised if you found out my character, it shouldn't be hard.
>>713638932
Can you prove you play the game?

Poor FFXIV enjoyers, plagued by a dead gaem and schizophrenic shitposters, the worst of both worlds for an MMO general.

>>713611969 (OP)
Wow worked because it was basic, and easy to get. GW2 works because each class is different while not being forced on a role like only healer or only tank; Plus the weapon changing the main skills makes it even more unique: Its not just class, but class PLUS weapon choice.
Other mmos are either really basic, or clusterfuck of classes/speccs.

>>713611969 (OP)
>aside from WoW
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>713639051
There's no going back once your own company's CEO admits you've failed as badly as Concord.

>>713636720
>Retard I am not talking about cutscenes I am talking about how every LITERAL 3 seconds your character stops to do a 2 second animation
Those are called Ultimate attacks and you can choose to not do them, bro, or do them whenever you want. Unless you're doing sweaty content that is. Do you genuinely not know what an Ultimate attack is? Every gacha has them. Though in many of them you can turn the animation off if they bother you.

>>713639103
Logan is such a cuck. Has Troy Baker ever worked on any other MMOs other than GW2 and SWTOR?

>>713639015
Yeah. Honestly I think we could be friends cause our history with the game is very similar. Even our character aesthetics.

>>713638895
Why not just share with the class instead of being cryptic. Outing this groid would be funny for us all.

>>713639250
>Do you genuinely not know what an Ultimate attack is? Every gacha has them
You are doing the equivalent of an Indian shitting at the streets, and when I express disgust they say "Do you not know what shitting streets are?? Every Indian city has them!"

>>713639325
To be honest I do believe him when he and admitted to doing the artbook dumping but not this current folder dumping. There’s been some conflicting posts with the timing of both.

>>713639464
Seems pretty clear cut to me.

>>713638779
I know this is bait but Sorcerer =/= Mage

>>713639464
do it faggot

>>713639315
I think you and I have very similar history and opinions about the game yeah, but I admittedly seethe a lot harder because I'm assmad that a game I've poured my heart into for 15 years is shitting itself. And despite accusations, I am not the one person or the folder spammer. I am the artbook spammer tho, which I did to block out WoWnigger e-celeb shit.

>banned from jap tv for begging for resubs
>soon to be banned from being alive
Will yoshitpiss fake cry onstage again once his pet cancerkike croaks?

>>713639598
There is little to no difference, it's not like Warlock

>>713611969 (OP)
First of all, what traditional class tropes? 50 years ago, Gary Gygax created some D&D classes on a whim, and ever since, 50% of RPGs have just copy-pasted them - with a twist. See, what developers do is copy the old D&D classes to some extent but then alter them into what fits best for their game or they just fix up whatever they think was a mistake. This ends up working out for the most part because those old D&D classes weren't created through some kind of highly advanced algorithm to determine the most logical classes to include in a game, it was literally just them throwing shit at the wall. Some stuck, some didn't; some had to change based on player feedback, so it could come closer to what people think "should" be in an RPG, and here we are today. I applaud anyone who wipes the slate clean and chooses not to hang off D&D's scrotum like an unoriginal hack. What do YOU think fantasy classes should be? Don't fucking leech off grognards, they don't know shit.

Second of all, did you even look at your picture? Every single one of those jobs is mostly just a D&D class. Bard? Thief? Ranger? Paladin? Black Mage is basically Wizard and White Mage is basically Cleric. How are these NOT traditional classes? Because they're slightly different? GOOD. Those old classes were kinda' shit, no one knew what they were doing back then, PLEASE give me something new.

It's funny, too, because if it weren't for D&D, would Thief or Bard ever become RPG class staples? Bards were one of three orders in Celtic culture; specifically they were poets, not necessarily musicians. D&D added Druids and made them shapeshifting hippies for some reason. But I've never seen fucking Ovates or whatever in an RPG. And Thief was added to D&D because the game was originally all about stealing treasure; even D&D doesn't call them Thieves anymore, they call them Rogues. But Final Fantasy still does.

>>713639717
Imagine being so filled with rage you're ragging on a random dude with cancer because he makes music for a game that hollows out your stinking greasy shithole and causes you to shart blood all over the place.

>>713632695
Seems smart for a nip. He should clean house, EOS 14 PC and start over with a new mmo that isn't pozzed with leftroon shit and modbeasts. Get the chinks and gooks to make it for him.

>>713639668
Yep. We’re similar in age and stuff too.
>>713639717
And example of the conflicting posters. That’s why I trust him. While he was egregious with his posting, he’s not THE schizo.

>>713639051
>Can't have threads to talk about the game on /v/ because schizos, tribe fags, and number bros spam and derail the thread
>Can't talk about the game in /vg/ due to the gooners, thread celebrities, and RPrs shitting up the threads stiffiling any discussion not about them
>Can't even have a thread about general MMO discussion without it being brought up and immediately drowning the thread in shit
I hate it so fucking much.

>>713639879
>isn't pozzed with leftroon shit
XIV is one of the least pozzed MMOs wtf are you talking about

>>713639997
Eh, dabbing on gacha and wowcucks is fun enough though. Their blood pressure combined with their piss-boiling rage will cause them to croak one day and their families to celebrate.

>>713640107
Okay saving this one

>FF XIV has trannies!
>no, WoW has trannies!
>no, FF XIV has trannies!
>no, WoW has trannies!
So you're saying both games have trannies. Good thing I have chosen a straight man's MMO.

>>713611969 (OP)
Ragnarok Online

>>713639865
Those are just medieval fantasy archetypes, which DnD is based around.

>>713639598
Mage is a generic word to refer to spellcasters, usually arcane ones. It's not some super specific classification, different games use the word to describe all different kinds of spellcasters.

Is Sorcerer an arcane spellcaster? Yes. Actually, I would argue Sorcerer is the closest a D&D class comes to feeling like a "mage" to me. If someone called a Wizard a mage, I'd feel like they're a weeb or something, it sounds weird. And no one would call a Bard or Cleric or Druid a "mage," it feels misleading. Warlocks? It fits, but Warlocks are so much weirder than their spellcasting. So not only would I call Sorcerer a mage, I'd call it the class that most embodies what I think of when I see the word "mage."

For the record, there's a magic item in 5e called the Archmage's Robe. Which classes do you think can wear it?

>>713611969 (OP)
WoW has horrible class fantasy now too, the homogenization of classes killed it decades ago. Ninja is the only soulful FFXIV class because it plays so drastically different than everything else, which is what you want.

Older MMOs are still the peak however. FFXI? Amazing class fantasy, older WoW? Also amazing. Even the start of FFXIV 2.0 was great in that regard but homoegenization did the same thing to FFXIV that it did to WoW. God forbid one class/job excels at 1 particular thing while being weaker than some classes at other things.

>>713640040
Your gaslighting stopped working months ago, xivcuck:

>>713636350
>>713634216
>>713633780
>>713634963
>>713632793
>>713631817

>>713640267
>Those are just medieval fantasy archetypes
Show me the pre-D&D medieval fantasy books that make "thief" and "bard" as an archetype.

I will use this moment to remind you that the original three D&D classes were Fighting Man, Magic User and Cleric (a word most people had to look up in the dictionary).

To players of other MMOs (GW2, SWTOR, TESO, some of the older ones) some of this rent free seething must seem weird and alien.

>>713640465
>Show me the pre-D&D medieval fantasy books that make "thief" and "bard" as an archetype.
The Hobbit? Bilbo is recruited for the adventure because Hobbits are naturally sneaky and they need him for a robbery.

>Preservation was hyped up as this mysterious, shadowy organization of scientists who ruled Alexandria from behind the curtains
>Get to 7.2
>Actually Preservation is just this one nerdy kid and his robot army.

Why are the writers incapable of writing deep, compelling villain factions anymore? Remember the Garlean Empire? Imagine if the Garlean Empire was just Varis and an army of robots. That'd be pretty boring, wouldn't it? Or if the Ascians was just Elidibus? Preservation could've been the next big villain faction, but instead they simplified them down to just one singular dude, a dude who's a total charisma-vacuum btw. He's not even an interesting villain, he's just some sad mopey nerd.

>>713640373
Every FFXIV screenshot and gameplay vid these days resembles a Pride parade. Things really went to shit after Stormblood

>>713634024
You retarded? Necromancers have been relegated to "muh skeletons" ever since Diablo 2 ruined the class fantasy with that meme build. GW2 is one of the only games left on the market that lets you do the fantasy any justice.
>Reapers that collect life force to convert into health as you become a melee monster
>Scourge lets you 'raise' dead allies to pick them back up off the floor, use magic to numb their pain and reduce damage they take
>Harbinger goes full dark alchemy and trades your HP for other stats while you are drugged out of your mind and handing out buffs and doing damage
Flesh Golem has been the classes best elite skill since damn near launch. The only thing that sucks is how their minions are all for damage reduction and taking the heat off you or doing CC, but in an action game it would be boring to have NPC pets do 90% of the damage while you sit around and watch them work.

Case in point, Golemancer.

>>713640534
I think GW2 posters also dealt with a dysfunctional manchild trying and failing hard to TORtanic their game for a while.

>>713634717
What if I did it as a joke?

>>713640534
GW2 and ESO are equally pozzed failures. SWTOR only gets a pass because of Sith Warrior storyline.

>>713640342
I thought he made a typo or something when he said "class fantasy." Is this a real term? I've never heard it before. But if his point was about feeling like you're embodying a popular archetype, isn't FFXI really bad at that? Jobs don't get many abilities and almost all of them are for combat. Some jobs revolve entirely around mechanics, so if you stripped the names away and asked someone to guess what the job was, most people wouldn't guess it correctly.

>>713640465
I don't know, Robin Hood?

>>713640905
The Mel Brooks movie??

>>713640546
That's one.
Did Ringbearer become an archetype? Gardener?

>>713640649
>>Actually Preservation is just this one nerdy kid and his robot army.
This is literally Dr. Eggman, some evil scientist and his robot minions. You know Eggman, the villain of Sonic the Hedgehog.....a KIDS game. That's the level of writing we're at here with Preservation, the level of writing which retards are currently praising with 7.2. Except the difference with Eggman is he's a funny, charismatic character, and many of his robot goons have actual distinct personalities instead of being just mindless robots like Alexandria's robot soldies (who all look the exact fucking same too, meanwhile Eggman's bots all have distinct designs).

So in other words, a fucking kid's video game villain is more compelling.

>>713641047
Maybe they should have.

>>713640110
I don't give a shit about gacha or wow players though. I want to talk about FFXIV. About the direction it's heading, about story speculation, ideas for future raid mechanics or potential classes. I want to discuss where the story failed or where it succeeded, how it could have done better. I want to talk about a game I enjoy with people who enjoy it, not cultists who can't see its strengths/flaws.

>>713641025
Of course the first thing you think of is men in tights.

>Solution 9 was inspired by Cyberpunk
>Look inside
>There's no capitalistic dystopia, it's a literal perfect paradise (you know the polar opposite of what the Cyberpunk genre is supposd to be).
>Just neon lights and modernslop architecture and clothing.

Do the japs not know what Cyberpunk is? Serious question.

>>713640676
>reaper
dark knight
>scourge
sandnigger
>harbinger
alchemist

>>713641283
This is the price of success.
If you want to talk about the game, talk with people and ignore the seething bait.

>>713641402
I'm pretty sure people nowadays think it's just a description of technology level.

>>713640373
External factors. I am talking about the actual game
How many official gay/pride events are in the game?
How many gay/pride quests are in the game?
How many lgbt characters are in the game?
How many pride mounts/minions/furnature are in the game?

A hell of a lot less than most popular MMOs

>start doing CEs
>eyes start getting heavy
I still have two more jobs to master and I can't find the motivation.

>>713641780
>How many official gay/pride events are in the game?
0
>How many gay/pride quests are in the game?
0
>How many lgbt characters are in the game?
1 from ARR afaik
>How many pride mounts/minions/furnature are in the game?
0

I think the horror of Solution 9 is how it’s so perfect with them being able to commodify souls.
Honestly would’ve been so good if it had Koana as the focus to talk about the moral dilemma instead of Wuk being there.
Sigh

>>713641873
Pace yourself lil niggy. I am doing them in bursts myself. Plenty of time, anyhow.

Why can't the GCBTW handle criticism?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ-c8tb9DEQ

>>713640867
ironic you use one of the two cuckold romances in tor to advocate for it lmao

>>713642329
He's right but he's also a fucking basket case.

>>713642329
“Cost”.
Does he actually talk about development time cost allocation, or did he make an entire argument about money cost like most people did from a poor translation?
Honestly it does get tiring with so many ranting doom videos. We don’t have time for this shit lol.

>>713642329
How can you tell me after a year ago when I heard and saw in person the plans for the future of the game when I left that media tour optimistic about the future of the game (In spite of my ex fiance using this as an opportunity to once again crush my heart/soul the night before the actual event lol). I literally got no sleep that night and spent the night/morning crying in the hotel room before I went downstairs for the bus with the rest of the media tour group.

Actually fuck it no one will read this deep. That media tour left me so optimistic it helped me with the mental beatings and outright abuse my ex fiance did to me.

You know that bitch, Brendan, drove all the way from the townhouse filled with tens of thousands of dollars of my property he's stolen from me to this day all the way to L.A. and hunted me down like I was a fucking animal? And then when I flew back to Canada between airports he lashed out at me again and caused me in an airport to break down crying? After THAT BITCH hunted me down like I was some kind of animal.

Yeah FFXIV and the optimism for FFXIV I had from that media tour helped me push forward. That's how optimistic I was.
And for anyone who hasn't been cheated on, had tens of thousands of dollars of property, had their work auth in the USA lost and them sent back to Canada unable to move to San Diego after landing a 220k/year job and needing to decline that cause "lul work auth", and then experienced mental abuse from their ex fiance tormenting them with the most VICIOUS shit ever-- THAT IS A FUCK TON OF OPTIMISM. And I wouldn't wish the absolute BARRAGE of brutality I experienced on anyone else.

I only say that PURELY to showcase how optimistic I Was about FFXIV after the media tour. AKA: VERY VERY VERY MUCH.

So how the fuck are we a year later talking about development costs? How the fuck? What the fuck? That's my genuine reaction.

>>713642523
>Does he actually [nuance]
Lol, do you think that'd rake in easy bait cash?

Did you know Square Enix's NFT game, Symbiogensis, is STILL alive? And there are people actually spending money on it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgAr2lUjZPQ

>>713640901
The problem with FFXI in regards to homogenization, at least when I played ,was actually the subjob system making a lot of jobs use Utsusemi to evade attacks. The actual jobs were good.
>warrior
Can use basically any weapon and tank in a pinch, also debuffed enemies with weapon skills to hinder them since you were besting them in martial combat.

>monk
You punch and kick shit, it's a basic bitch class fantasy but the quests to unlock higher tiers of belts was cool.

>thief
You could pick chests so you were able to explore dungeons solo for loot and you had Treasure Hunter which gave the group better drops. You also had trick attack(redirects threat) and sneak attack(more damage from behind) as well as better movement speed.

>dragoon
You had the dragon pet that could heal, cleanse debuffs, or do damage based on your subjob and the jumps. One that completely dropped threat.

>dark knight
Used HP to deal damage and had access to black magic spells, you stole enemy stats and gave them to yourself.

>samurai
You could use weapon skills more than any other class, creating solo skillchains.

>ninja
You had access to sneak/invisible, elemental magic, and could tank enemies by never being hit with Utsusemi

>summoner
You had to go around the world doing quests to unlock avatars. They were very strong w/ great buffs & damage.

>black mage
AoE sleep, ancient magic, magic bursts, and warp 2. You had to memorize elemental weaknesses and skillchain names to be efficient.

>red mage
You could restore MP to the group, swap your health/mana, debuff enemies, enchant your weapon, and solo bosses.

>white mage
Better healing(especially AoE) and cleansing than rdm but worse mp. Had teleport spells.

>bard
Insane support. You had songs for everything.

>pld
Healing, cover, and anti undead niche.

>ranger
Could track enemies but it's basic bitch shit like monk.

>beast master
You could tame wild NPCs and have them fight with you, or have them kill each other.

>>713641283
The direction it's heading is into the CEO Kiryu's toilet

>>713642757
any day now for sure
any day

>>713641283
dead troonslop

>>713642734
I think I mentioned in another thread I think a subjob system for actions would be fun to implement for content that isn’t current raids.
I think something like Bravely where actions have a certain equip cost and you have to mix/match there.
Combine that with allowing Blue and Beastmaster to join in queues for the old content too, and it could just be good casual fun.
As mentioned, active raids would not allow subjobs, not until they’re obsolete.

>>713635596
>What content would I be doing together with other players in Wuwa or Genshin or whatever gacha you love?
In WuWa you can team up and do content together, like farming, or fighting world bosses. There was a flight-racing event where you raced against other players even.

In ZZZ they added literal Fall Guys, except unlike the dogshit Fall Guys event in FFXIV (which was just Leap of Faith with savage mechanics and dogshit netcode), ZZZ's fallguys event actually plays like Fall Guys and doesn't have bad netcode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S6WL9Q_gPk

I’ve been really enjoying the recent blizzdrone meltdown, it’s like the 33 threads dying out he has no outlet for his square enix seethe so we get gemmy threads like these

>>713630210
rape

>>713611969 (OP)
how does FF14 try and avoid this? Black Mage just sits and casts spells. Red Mage is supposed to be a healer, but is clearly all in on damage. Why did such a retarded OP get 340 replies?

>>713643040
So glad I did those achievements when it was first out and you could glitch solo lobbies.

>>713643178
you tell me, you're the 340th reply

>>713643178
RDM is supposed to be a versatile jack of all trades, not exclusively a healer.

>>713643040
ZZZ and Wuwa's youtube channels both blew past 1m in less than a year and are both still growing, while FFXIV is just barely past 700k after 13 fucking years. Says all you need to know. I was expecting wuwa to die in obscurity like ToF but I was wrong.

>oh look an mmo thread
>it’s the blizzard schizo dumping his folder for the 1000000th time
>oh look a jrpg thread
>it’s the blizzard schizo dumping his folder for the 10000020th time

>>713643040
>savage mechanics
lol

>>713643314
>Says all you need to know.
That you don’t play any video games whatsoever but instead are a terminally online incel who is inevitably going to kill themselves?

>>713641402
While I agree they used the neon cyberpunk more for Aesthetic you're also talking about a city that uses souls as currency ya dweeb. Your dystopia is that they memory wipe all the bad thoughts while the population slowly dwindles to nothing because they're siphoning soul juice into a combination graveyard/themepark that can't be sustained. Perfect paradise my fucking ass.

>>713643314
Wuwa is dead as fuck though

>>713643059
Yeah, I certainly didn't expect fucking gacha vs. XIV shitflinging when I clicked this thread. All I wanted was some ideas to iron out the kinks in my class system so that I can get on with development, but I should have known the video game board doesn't give a shit about video game class design.

>>713643178
The only reason XIV is in the OP to reheat the old WoW vs. FF shitposting that no one cares about anymore.

>>713643375
buckbroken xivtranny seething at other games' success, while your own ceo tells you to kill yourself

>>713643658
Whatever you say champ, I’m sure I’ll get baited clicked on another one of your meltdowns in a month or two

>>713643314
>ZZZ and Wuwa's youtube channels both blew past 1m in less than a year and are both still growing, while FFXIV is just barely past 700k after 13 fucking years. Says all you need to know. I was expecting wuwa to die in obscurity like ToF but I was wrong.
Maybe it'd help if SE didn't disable likes/dislikes and comments on all their fucking videos. Almost like that's bad for engagement or something.....

>People are STILL coping about FFXIV even after Dawntrail
How? HOW?

>>713643837
Extremely thinly veiled crying about not being able to mass dislike all videos

>>713643925
Until the game officially shuts down, it will continue
...So 2 more weeks

>>713643595
Sorry cameraman, try again.

>>713643925
second life players would be lost without xiv

>>713643932
>Extremely thinly veiled crying about not being able to mass dislike all videos

>>713644037
I don’t know what this means but I assume it’s some third world shit

DO NOT OPEN

>>713644109
Struck a nerve huh

Reminder that Genshin is so bad that even Zepla quit and would rather play Dawntrail.

why is this thread like this

>>713644191
>F2P gacha has nearly as many active players as a pay-to-pay(plus monthly subscription) MMO

>>713643040
Dawntrail being pozzed and trannified wasn't its only problem, Wuwa and ZZZ releasing at the exact same time last year didn't help things. Now the market is so cutthroat with half a dozen other new genshin clones, anime GTAs, crystal of atlan, star resonance, throne and liberty, chrono odyssey, you name it. All the market share and good will 14 built up over a decade was squandered overnight for a Starbucks troon.

>>713644357
Wouldn't you expect a F2P game to have more? On account of it being, you know, free?

>>713644357
So since XIV is supposedly dead with those numbers, WuWa is also dead, right?

>>713644357
you have limited time on this earth and this is what you're doing with it? damn you're a fucking loser

>>713644415
Two more weeks oh wait you’ve been dumping your folder for literally 4 years also search Starbucks in the archive for a laugh

FF14 got fisted to death by a womanlet, sad

being a wuwafag and blizzcuck is so indian it hurts

>>713643381
It had the same kind of mechanical vomit you'd expect from a savage fight. Fucking hell, there was even that shitty mechanic where your entire sense of movement is fucked (the one where the pointy hand spins around your head) and in order to move in a specific direction you need to ensure the pointy hand is point EXACTLY where you want to go, except the hand spins super fast. So imagine trying to deal with that, while also dealing with various obstacles, plus the shity netcode.

MEANWHILE IN ZZZ: You just jump around and shit.

>>713644531
And I'll be dumping them for at least 5 more years. Stay mad troon.

>Lalafag disappears
>Folder dumping starts

>>713644631
>ffxiv tranny making fun of anyone
lol

>>713632695
>players hate xiv and quit
>CCs hate xiv and quit
>Square's own CEO hates xiv and tells people to quit
I unsubbed back in 6.1. Genuinely sad to see it get even worse.

>>713644689
>savage mechanics

>>713644705
>stay mad troon
You’re not supposed to sign your posts. Anyways you’re going to kill yourself before 5 years

>>713644770
everyone is one person anon

>>713639867
Weird post, Anon

>>713644770
So an interesting note about it. Folder spammer doesn’t get deleted even after mass reports. In fact, I got hit with a warning cause I once reported a post that wasn’t his.
The artbook spammer (when he did it) has gotten his stuff nuked and deleted. So I think the folder Schizo is a janny here.

>>713627061
Why doesn't FF14 have any cute bards like Ciaccona? Even ESO has tavern singers.

https://youtu.be/G6P_AEmaQL8

>>713644958
It is indeed weird to have a bloodcurdling hatred of a guy for composing music of a game you don't like.

Ffxiv killed wow in 2021 and this buck has been broken ever since, KWAB

>everyone trying to compare their games to XIV nowadays
This is what it's like to be on top, huh?

>>713640534
Ex-GW2 player here, base game was fine storywise, it was your character's story, you made your decisions and did stuff based on the race you chose.

First expansion and every expansion since to a greater and greater degree sidelined your character in favor of 2 mary sue lesbians that're self-inserts for the lgbtqiap2s+ """writers""" and directors, multiple of which admitted to never even playing GW1 (The better Guild Wars game)

>>713645023
Last month I made a SINGLE post complaining about /xivg/ fags invading the thread. I was swiftly banned for ONE MONTH for, quote "Spamming/flooding". Yes a single post.....complaining about certain posters........was somehow "spamming/flooding". Meanwhile, the folderspammer was present, and wasn't banned for LITERAL spamming. I found that very.......interesting.

>>713645054
Chris Metzen.
https://streamable.com/99ed9j

>>713644783
I didn’t mention ffxiv, but I do have a better opinion of ffags than fucking wuwajeets and blizzdrones

>>713645224
SORRY FOR PARTY ROCKING

>>713645203
I've also noticed threads get archived or saged once the spam ends
Coincidence I am sure

>>713645203
Folder spammer always does this “I’m actually some other abhorrent poster even though I type the same way as him” let me guess you’ve been here since 1.0

>>713645314
>I've also noticed threads get archived or saged once the spam ends
It's mostly when the spam goes ignored and regular discussion begins to suffocate it.

>>713645169
>Making charr playable.
>Having charr still living on Ascalon.
I knew the game was going to be shit from that fact alone.

>>713645164
>FFIXV
>On top
On top of the garbage heap maybe.

>>713645362
Yeah it’s always deleted or auto saged if too much actual discussion is happening. Really makes you think.

It’s funnier post janny leak down and the shutdown too since we got to see these freaks having their cry sessions in their therapy board

>>713645420
Our superior writers have retconned the lore so that furry freaks can enjoy the game too :^)

>>713645446
See?

>>713645472
>shitpost thread with shitpost OP about "AAAAH I SAW YOSHITPISS IN MY TOAST AGAIN AND I GOT SO ANGRY I NEED TO POST ABOUT IT" followed by back-to-back folderdumping
>stays up for hours
>regular discussion starts to take root and the folderdumps get no traction
>pruned within minutes
Many such cases.

>>713642579
>I only say that PURELY to showcase how optimistic I Was about FFXIV after the media tour. AKA: VERY VERY VERY MUCH.
>So how the fuck are we a year later talking about development costs? How the fuck? What the fuck? That's my genuine reaction.
Completely agree with you and you echo my own sentiments.
I was so hyped for Dawntrail, I remember the threads we would have before launch, and after the Tokyo fanfest when they revealed Solution 9 for the first time and we all thought this was going to be some interesting stuff, shit was electric.
But as you say one year after Dawntrail launch they're admitting they are prioritising difficulty modes (For the least amount of players) because of "Cost".
I don't think I really can wrap my head around how big of a fumble this expansion has been.

>>713632952
I didn't know Square was that tiny. That explains why the CEO is shitting on FF14 lol

NEED MORE STARBUCKS TRANNIES PREASE UNDASTANDU

>>713644415
Reminds me of a fat old fuck in my office seething at two young new hires outperforming him. His next quarterly review will be hilarious

>>713642734
>subjob system making a lot of jobs use Utsusemi
I was talking about the jobs themselves. Also, I don't think NIN was more popular than WAR, and it dropped in popularity as a subjob over the years, mostly because some jobs got Dual Wield themselves.
>Can use basically any weapon
This is meaningless since they have an A+ in Great Axe and A- in Axe, and everything else is lower. So you'd only want to use them if you happened to acquire a very specific one with special properties (almost never happens, 99.99% of weapons are just DPS) or you were fighting a very specific enemy (you could just fight something else). I've never seen a WAR use a non-axe weapon outside the Ridill, Joyeuse and...maybe I saw a Great Sword once?
>debuffed enemies with weapon skills
Your party would prefer if you just did your most damaging weapon skill.
>basic bitch class fantasy
Are you high? The most popular anime are full of monks doing shit like teleporting and shapeshifting and flying. How is that basic? It's basic in FFXI, yes. They just get Chi Blast every 3 minutes.
>You could use weapon skills more than any other class
Is this what people think of when they think "samurai"?
>You had to memorize elemental weaknesses
Not really. Elemental weaknesses weren't a big deal and most of the time you fought enemies that were weak to your strongest element anyway: ice.
>skillchain names
If you expect the retards whacking the monster with sticks to figure out how their weapon skills can slap together to make a skillchain, surely...surely...you can remember this.
>and solo bosses
That's not a good thing.
>it's basic bitch shit like monk
Monk and Ranger are my two favorite D&D classes, I don't know why you keep calling them "basic." Did you forget Warrior and White Mage exist?

Everything else you said I agree with, but you forgot two things.
1. Almost everything you said was related to combat.
2. Yes, each job has 2-5 cool things it can do...but that's spread across 75 levels, dude.

>>713611969 (OP)
>Galka PLD
Enjoy having no MP.

WuWa is better than FFXIV for one reason: No tranny VAs, and no Californian Sag-Aftra VAs. They stopped hiring Amerimutt VAs after 1.0 and now exclusively hire talented Britbongs. Like for example, one of the 2.0 playable characters is voiced by Shadowheart's VA. Although some of the 1.0 VA's are fine. For example, Encore is voiced by Tataru's VA in english.

>>713645420
gwen onahole is made for Big Barbed Cock

>>713645342
1.0 dude does get angry but I noticed his style is different from folder spammer. I even pointed out instances here where there’s a conflict of post timings.
Folder dude just hates anything XIV. 1.0 dude hates eceleb and avatar posting.

>>713646195
i still have no interest in playing it (or any gacha)

XIV could save itself by ripping off LOTRO's delvings like wow did. Everyone wants solo progression now. But CBU3's dev cycle is so slow that by the time they get around to doing it, they'll have been raped to death by all the new chink and gook mmos coming out.

>>713638004
you are so livid this guy exists to take a dump on these dogshit threads
>>>/vg/

>>713646429
>i still have no interest in playing it (or any gacha)
How about now, Mr Crabs?

>went into forked tower tonight
>spend the entire time listening to the most horrid deflating balloon clown tranny voice you can possibly imagine
>he wasn't even doing fucking callouts or anything, he was just talking for no reason
>plot next to mine has emptied three times this year already

>>713640160
Honestly all mmos had trannies in then, I found one in fucking grand chase in like 2009. Dude was cool

>>713646510
Less now.

>>713646602
You’re not on NA? Because housing plots demolition were locked until recently. Unless you mean before/after it.

>"Why would I play FFXIV when I could play Wuthering Waves?"

The single question that killed XIV.

>mog station is still down and I haven't registered my DT EA code yet
I guess the queue doesn't really matter yet then.

>>713646195
Tataru is also Fiora from Xenoblade.

It's pretty grim. I'm holding out hope for some kind of nice surprise from the final live letter.

>>713646725
>Less now.

>>713646146
>This is meaningless since they have an A+ in Great Axe and A- in Axe, and everything else is lower
noooo you can't use a sword as a WAR, you'll have 18 less accuracy at max level which you'll instantly more then overcome with your end game gear

mmo players being minmaxing faggots like this is why ff14 is in the sorry state its in. people only like "class fantasy" when their specific fantasy also happens to be the meta

>>713639717

>>713638691
this honestly is it. I wanted to fucking die playing the dawntrail msq, only liked a few key parts completely in a vauum. I just wanted a fun trek through fantasy south america and i did not get that. Also it takes 3 HOURS before you fight your first mob, the game never felt more like a visual novel. You never were let to just ...play. Like let me figure out where to go, let me go kill some monsters, let me play the fucking game. then the actual end game mechanics for classes sucked, every tank felt so samey to me, picto broke the dps metas so hard, i was just w/e about everything. Despite all the dumb shit in WoW TWW revolving around the one armed bitch, the game still let me actually play it.

total xivnigger death

Reminder that Yoshida's favorite character is Erenville which tells you everything you need to know.

>>713647057
DT is unsalvageable, even Square's own ceo admits it.

>>713647192
Meanwhile, he HATES Honey-B Lovely and was very upset she got into the top 10 favorite characters by the JP playerbase and Wuk Lamat didn't.

14's collabs are so faggy

>>713637435
xiv is a dying game, it's bleeding players the hardest ever right now, gachafags don't fear dead mmos and wow players don't play gachas
the only loser here is xiv desu

>>713646974
Is it minmaxing to play the game the way the developer obviously intended? They could've just given WAR the same rank in every weapon. They didn't. They made a conscious decision to make them the (Great) Axe class, because it's not just an FF1 Fighter anymore, it's absorbed jobs like Berserker and Viking.

They also could've made weapons do interesting things so there was an argument for using different types. They didn't. Weapons are pretty much only useful for dealing damage, so why wouldn't you use the one that deals the most damage? This isn't me being a minmaxer, this is me just looking at the game and stating the fucking obvious.

>>713647548
dying any day now

>>713647281
I mean he should be honest and just not say everything is great and wonderful, if he doesn't like it that's his prerogative but it's the wrong thing to focus on right now.

>>713647539
Meanwhile, the average FFXIV collab

>>713647567
if they didn't intended you to use swords as a WAR they wouldn't let you equip them or fucking start you with one, it has the best skill at it because someone had to

ff1 fighter could equip a bunch of axes btw

>>713647690
>average
No
https://www.thegamer.com/final-fantasy-14-every-crossover-event/

>ZZZ characters are so iconic and beloved that they're the face of multiple brand collabs
>FFXIV's main cast, the Scions, are so lame and gay and unremarkable that SE can't do any brand collabs using them because nobody fucking cares about them

There is more fanart of the average gacha character than there is of the entire Scion's combined.

>>713645242
>t. coping zivgroomer
gachagods own your dead game

>>713647868
I hope we get a new MonHun event soon.

>>713647567
>They also could've made weapons do interesting things so there was an argument for using different types.
you mean besides the different weapon skills that have completely different effects/damage multipliers/hit counts to the point where people would use something besides their a+ weapon type all the time, like DRKs using the objectively worse damage great sword instead of a scythe because it's way easier to skillchain with

>>713647953
It's worse because ZZZ's been around for only a year (it released the same week as Dawntrail funny enough) yet has orders of magnitude more fanar and the main cast are more famous and liked than ANY of the FFXIV maincast ever have been in over 10 fucking years.

>Uses a mix of black and white magic
>Not Grey Mage

FF14 was never a serious contender, and now it's stuck in its Shadowlands rut. Death by a thousand self-inflicted tranny cuts.

>>713646146
> I've never seen a WAR use a non-axe weapon outside the Ridill, Joyeuse and...maybe I saw a Great Sword once?
Having access to Spears while leveling/level capped is actually huge during the Pentathrust level ranges. Even Samurai uses spears during that range. Whatever the OP weapon skill is for a level range, Warrior can use it. They can always open/close Light or Dark in small groups too.

> Elemental weaknesses weren't a big deal
They absolutely were, you could save a lot of MP and thus nuke more if your cheaper Water spells were dealing as much damage as ice spells due to enemy weakness. There were also level ranges where you'd have access to say Water/Aero/Fire 3 but only Blizzard 2 or you'd have access to say Waterga 3 which could be worth using over Blizzard 3 if the enemy was weak to water.

>If you expect the retards whacking the monster with sticks to figure out how their weapon skills can slap together to make a skillchain
Yes, as a BLM that played in era while leveling that was a thing. JP groups would often have the tank open or close for a 3 step skillchain. I vividly remember doing ghetto light/dark skillchains that required 3 people to make and MBing on both parts. I think ToAU started to have more groups that would just spam weapon skills on colibiri but leveling before that was all about skillchains and magic bursts.

>That's not a good thing.
This is true, Red Mage was too strong. Crazy defenses + gravity + dots was retarded. /nin really broke it.

> I don't know why you keep calling them "basic."
The actual reason is because I had to trim that post down to the 2k character limit and "basic" was a quick way of saying "it's about what yo expect from the class fantasy". You punch shit or fire arrows, Monk had counterattack tanking going for it which was unique. Hundred Fists was a very flavorful ability that felt amazing to press.

>>713648127
black/white/red mages are just the orders of the black/white/red robes from dragonlance because ff1 is unlicensed AD&D fanfic. same reason fighter is broken, thief sucks dick and the monk with a bunch of completely setting inapropriate 70's kung fu movie weapons exists

>>713648178
sorry to tell you
but xiv doesn't really wanna contend with singleplayer games where you play one of 15 pre-selected waifus you win in lottery
same way xiv isn't really dueling with FIFA or Halo

>>713647953
>>713648079
ZZZ's maincast all have their own distinct personalities and are multi-faceted, they all have their own lives and visibly live in the world, you regularly bump into them during side events/quest which both really makes them feel like part of the world and also further endears you to them.

The Scions are all 1 dimensional cardboard cutouts who share a singular personality, all of them being Sharlayan scholars who's only motivation is to do good for good's sake. None of them even have lives outside of being Scions, we don't even know where any of them live, most of them don't have families, and they all cease to exist when the MSQ is over (you can't find them in the open world postMSQ and they never appear in side events/quests).

>>713611969 (OP)
The fuck? FFXIV has very traditional class tropes.

>>713648285
I always figured they picked red because it would stand out more given the NES's color palette

>>713648434
maybe if you repeat it 47 mores times it will be true

>>713648372
But xiv is a singleplayer game, thoughever? They even revamped the entire MSQ to be soloable with bots.

So why did gatchafags start attacking XIV?
Is there some reason I am unaware of?
Only thing I can think of is because XIV beat Genshin years ago at the Game Awards for best ongoing game.
Really odd

>>713648536
You shouldn't be this desperate about a game you proclaim is dead.

>>713648372
>shareholders hate money and success, ackchyually
xivtroons are truly demented and buckbroken

>>713648537
XIV got a Chinese mobile game.

every hoyoverse gachaslop is the exact same
>push a button and your character does a 47 hit combo on his own
garbage that was stale 10 years ago when all the korean games were doing it. even the most braindead ff14 class has more going on because of weaving ogcds but they design these games to be played on a fucking mobile phone while jerking off so I understand the dilemma

>>713646791
crazy how he had to be carried through even extreme level XIV content, is he known as this trash in the wow community.

>>713647745
RDM has Divine Magic skill despite not having any divine spells. PUP's highest combat skill was Throwing despite not being able to use throwing weapons because that's the slot their Animator goes in. Ranger has some skill in Club, would you be cool with the RNG in your party dropping his bow and standing on the frontline whacking the monster with a Warp Cudgel?

You don't have an argument here. This isn't minmaxing, it's playing the game. It's a co-op video game, you have other people relying on you doing well or else their own enjoyment of the game will be compromised, what possible argument can you conjure for playing like a retard? Nobody said you need to run damage parsers and simulations and fill out spreadsheets with algorithms you copied off a wiki and thousands of samples - no one's saying anything like that. No one's saying you need to go to BG and memorize some elitist circlejerk thread about how this weapon deals 0.73 more DPS than this other weapon so therefore this other weapon is garbage - no one's saying that.

I'm asking why you'd use a worse damage-dealing weapon when a better damage-dealing weapon is available to you, you know what it is, and weapons are only used for dealing damage? Are you roleplaying? This isn't D&D. There isn't a game master modifying the challenge rating to accommodate your build. This is a video game. It has a very real challenge. It's a multiplayer game and you need to play well with others. Why are you intentionally playing badly?

>>713648515
>maybe if you repeat it 47 mores times it will be true
Where is the lie in anything I said?

>>713648537
>Only thing I can think of is because XIV beat Genshin years ago at the Game Awards for best ongoing game.
That probably is it. They're shadowboxing, because XIVfags aren't really interesting in them or fighting them, so it really is just onesided lashing out.

>>713648591
ahhh that makes sense. I don't recall any of this animosity before it was announced

I remember when Y'shtola had a personality for 5 seconds, than Yoshi P got mad and made sure that would never happen again, because in Yoshida's mind, a character who is a "serious" character can NEVER have an unserious moment.

>Yoshida on that Y’shtola scene: “I really was at a loss what to do… There was a part of me that felt, aren’t we getting a bit carried away here? One point we pay attention to is not to turn Y’shtola into a joke. For sure, within the community, you’ve got things like people calling her ‘mummy’, but it would be wrong to indulge that. Properly speaking we should handle Y’shtola’s character properly, and I don’t much like just drawing on this one character trait. So, I felt this is the breaking point and we shouldn’t go further than this. By the way, I hear Y’shtola’s voice actor Kayano Ai performed a lot of different takes on this scene.” He continued: “I’m thinking we should stop breaking the characters any more than this. This time, it ended up with Y’shtola having a magical girl phase where she was self-consciously cute [laughs bitterly].”

>>713648674
fwiw most XIVfags don't really like or care about the mobile game either.

>>713648837
Yea I don't care about it, which is why I didn't see the connection

>>713648645
>RDM has Divine Magic skill despite not having any divine spells.
because of the subclass system, you can sub a class that does have divine magic and still do it kind of ok as red mage, which is the job about doing all kinds of magic kind of ok

> It's a co-op video game, you have other people relying on you doing well or else their own enjoyment of the game will be compromised, what possible argument can you conjure for playing like a retard?
10 years of this mindset has sandblasted away everything that made ff14 worth playing and now the game is officially on maintenance mode because they don't have the money to actually fix anything due to hemorrhaging subs

>It's just a thinly veiled FFXIV hate thread again
So tiresome...

>>713648906
We just don't know.
But if they're expecting us to go cape for the mobile port slop, then good luck lmao.

>>713648645
Kraken Club on ranger to build TP was actually meta.

>>713648645
finding a party takes so fucking long in ff11 I would rather someone use something suboptimal and actually play the fucking game rather then sit there waiting for the optimal party comp for 3 hours so I can farm birds in the most efficient way possible, it's not a fucking work project its a video game

>>713648537
I suspect one of our rampaging autists has always been a gachafag.
The 'why' is because he's a mentally ill gachape so he was bound to lash out at something eventually.

>>713611969 (OP)
Classes are cringe and a bane in vidya, fuck DnD and DnDfags you ruined it for all of us.

>>713648947
Such are the wages of being so popular. Everyone wants a piece and everyone lashes out for not being you.

>>713647745
>it has the best skill at it because someone had to
It's A+. No, someone did not need to have an A+ in it. No one had an A+ in Great Sword until like yesterday.

>>713648021
>completely different effects/damage multipliers/hit counts
This almost never comes up. Yeah, Guillotine silences - for like 5 seconds out of the 2 minutes it takes to build TP. If you need the monster silenced, is THIS your plan? Or are you just going to have a mage do it? Yeah, you're just going to have a mage do it.
And as for damage multipliers, I can only think of the secondary attributes, which add almost nothing.
>to the point where people would use something besides their a+ weapon type all the time, like DRKs using the objectively worse damage great sword instead of a scythe because it's way easier to skillchain with
That example is true.
...moving on.

>>713649001
If anything it's making us seethe because it has better features than the main fucking game. FATES especially are already better on the mobile version.

>>713649187
>he didn't macro in vit rings for spinning slash

>>713649159
>>713648947
xiv insects are so delulu in 4chan, while they all know their dead game is dead outside 4chan
most demoralized sluts ever

>>713649381
EOS 2 more weeks

>>713649304
Eh, not enough to make me play a Unreal Engine mobileslop port.
Only thing that might make me care even a little bit is if it leads to some of those features making it to the base game.

>>713649513
The FATE changes need to be ported to the main game asap. I would actually do them.

>>713649381
>t.

>>713649607
What are the changes? Other than a changed UI and bicolor gemstones in ARR zones?

>>713649693
They are making hard mode FATES that offer better rewards iir

>>713649735
Kinda like CEs then?

>>713649693
>>713649735

>>713649304
they cant the code is spaghetti and 15 years old.

>>713649854
Thanks, I was going off memory

>>713649854
Neat. I have no interest in the mobile game and I won't play it, but I can see this being carried forward to the main client if the reception for these features is good.

>>713649156
t. The man with no taste

>Wuk Lamat shows up in a flashback in the Pelu Pelu tribe quest
>Bakool JaJa mentions Wuk Lamat (in a voiced line) during the Jueno alliance raid so you will be FOREVER forced to hear her name everytime you do the raid
>Wuk Lamat shows up AGAIN in a flashback at the start of Occult Crescent story

Is it just spite at this point?

>>713650335
calm down ninny you'll be done with her in august

Who's worse: Wuk Lamat or Kormir?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxmkAoLC6_4

>>713650431
>Wuk will be gone after 7.0
>Acctually Wuk will be gone after 7.1
>Actually Wuk will be gone after 7.2
>Actually Wuk will be gone after 7.3 (You are here)

I'm not falling for this anymore.

>>713650263
>>713650496
Who writes this slop?

>>713650520
Nobody said that about 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2 though.

>>713650520
Dawntrail's story ends in 7.3
Like most other expansions
Did you not know that?

>>713650541
chatgpt

>>713650520
I wouldn't know, I haven't touched the story since finishing 7.0

>>713650552
>Nobody said that about 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2 though.
You did, actually, you've been moving the goalposts since 7.0. Every single patch.

>>713648240
>Even Samurai uses spears during that range. Whatever the OP weapon skill is for a level range
Yeah, I never saw that. Samurai used polearms when they were first added because the TP return on Penta Thrust let them spam it, then they nerfed it and accidentally screwed over DRG in the process. I almost never saw a SAM use polearm after that. I definitely never saw a WAR use one.
>there were also level ranges where you'd have access to say Water/Aero/Fire 3 but only Blizzard 2
No shit.
>you'd have access to say Waterga 3 which could be worth using over Blizzard 3 if the enemy was weak to water
Yeah, true. "If" being the operative word.
>"it's about what yo expect from the class fantasy"
I mean, I just don't feel that way at all. When I think of Monks, I think of D&D Monks and I think of battle shounen. FF Monks don't hold a candle to those. They can't run up walls or teleport or transform into a giant monkey.
And when I think of Rangers, I think of what real life rangers were, like what Aragorn, park rangers and army rangers were all inspired by. They're wardens of a natural environment and have learned to live off the land, out in the wild. Even some Final Fantasy games play more into the flavor of a Ranger than FFXI does. FFXI's Ranger is just the ranged weapon user, outside of Wide Scan and Camouflage.

it was basically proto-eureka with a lot of involved steps to even start
but basically you had people going around killing stuff to spawn NMs while gatherers ran around collecting shit
all to spawn a mob that dropped a weapon with random stat
a weapon
one weapon
you had a group but only one guy gets to win the roll
if you didnt you sucked it up and rolled the dice for the next NM

new gold new gold
everything will disappear

>>713650436
Wuk. At least Kormir lost her eyes and wasn't too much of a Naruto cunt.

>>713650436
This just reminded me of how hot Varesh Ossa was. Anet doesn't make hot women anymore.

>>713650668
No, lol.
At best, what people said is that Wuk will be less present/relevant in 7.1 and 7.2 as a result of feedback.
And she was less relevant in 7.2 as a result of feedback.

Varesa hates xivniggers!

this is what the cultivation enthusiast fears

>>713650835
who doesn't?

>>713650884
aaaaiee nooo xiv doesn't do sexy anymore

>>713650884
Nobody cares Cocoli-tranny

>>713650884
>there are "people" out there aroused by this
IDGI. I could understand if they were more hebe proportioned but this looks like a baby.

>>713626934
that's a different issue present in all MMOs where the game is, by its nature, designed by committee
any uniqueness and niches are going to be pointed out with a "why can't I do that!" and it either gets spread around or lopped off, especially with the modern zoomer (in both senses) audience who want nothing more than to "win" the video game rather than live in it

>>713650884
I remember the asshurt over there being no male equivalent to this.
Kek.

>>713650996
What possesses someone to spam that much?

>>713651151
imagine mindbreaking someone so much that they have dug through the posts and created an archive folder of his posts and has the gall to tell him that he is the weird one

whenever i feel bad i check out /v/ threads for the absolute self-unaware lunacy by people too deranged to accept how deranged they are
and then i feel better about myself but bad for these misbegotten creaturas throwing away their lives just impotently ragetarding about a game existing

>>713651037
He's a pedophile, anon. Can't even goon to a proper loli , or a hebe like Ryne. Has to goon to the literal toddler-body characters.

>>713651505
ryne is sexier in official art than in game

>>713651480
dasrite, i also feel bad for xivnegros

>>713650719
>I almost never saw a SAM use polearm after that. I definitely never saw a WAR use one.
It might be a private server tranny thing because people discovered that there's bats in birds to exp on in that level range instead of only ever leveling on crabs. Pentathrust is already the best weapon skill in that level range on neutral enemies even after the nerfs but if you level on birds or bats, the warriors, dragoons, and samurais will straight up delete them. A thief is fine too.

> think of D&D Monks and I think of battle shounen
The earlier FF iterations of monk are definitely "punch shit". Arguably the D&D monks can be that way too, unless you go Way of Shadow in BG3 as an example you're just the "punch shit" class. FF11 is almost a bit more like a boxer though between the evasion up ability and being able to counter blows. The Asuran Fists animation carries the entire job in era.

Ranger is pretty fucking bland for sure, probably because Beast Master, Dragoon, and Summoner were already pet jobs. I swear half the people way back in the day just leveled it because they were stoners that wanted the weed leaf hat.

see? it scared him away

>>713651353
You will never be a woman

>>713651953
Spammer moved to the SE hate thread
His journey never ends

>>713648915
>because of the subclass system
Well, it also used to actually get Divine Magic. Dia was originally Divine (just like how Bio is Dark) and they used to get Flash.
>you can sub a class that does have divine magic and still do it kind of ok as red mage
But is that really what you're going to do? Show up to my party spamming the couple divine spells you got from your subjob? This is like your doctor joining you on an expedition and insisting he be the cook. Why not just do the thing your job is good at? You're creating an unnecessary problem here.
>10 years of this mindset has sandblasted away everything that made ff14 worth playing
FFXIV was never worth playing and "this mindset" exists in every single multiplayer game.

>>713649026
If you have to use the Kraken Club as an argument, you've run out of arguments. This is the equivalent of saying, "And the name of that child? Albert Einstein!"

>>713649116
I 100% agree. I say that in every thread where MMOfags are complaining about "the meta" killing their game, because the way I remember FFXI back in the day, most players didn't know the optimal way to play, and even if you did, you weren't going to just fuck off because you couldn't find "the right" players or didn't have "the right" gear.

This is not the same. All those axe-wielding Warriors aren't tryhard elitist munchkins obsessed with being the absolute best. They picked a job whose highest rating is in axes so they played with axes because why wouldn't you? This isn't rocket science. This is how everyone played the game. They didn't read through threads on a message board or guides on a wiki. They looked at the game...the game said "Warriors use axes"...so that's what they did.

And NOBODY had a problem with it.

And then /v/'s like
>UMMM PLD/SMN IS LIKE HECKING VALID, YOU GO QUEEN

>>713650189
What class of taste are ou talking about? Do I have a collection of little boxes where I need to insert my opinion?

>Dawntrail was so shit even the dark-skinned male-Roegadyns quit
Grim.

>>713652424
Does he think he has ever convinced anyone?

>>713652681
My guess its not to convince but to get the thread archived asap

>>713652424
>it's muh boogeyman

>>713652746
fair point

>>713652808
its the same images over and over

>xivnigs coping so much they're getting schizo irl
uhuhuhuh

>>713649305
Actually I WAS that guy, until people pointed out to me how silly it was. I still got made fun of for walking around in Max MP gear.

>>713650884
Why am I the only person who thinks this game looks bad? I think I can make this in Blender in like 5 minutes.

>>713627061
>gacha tards trying to discuss any sort of gameplay mechanics
Brother the entire gameplay loop of every fucking gacha Game can be played with one hand and I don't mean that as a joke.

>>713653243
>can use one hand to game, other to jerk off
based

>>713653243
>He thinks he can play WuWa one-handed
LOL I'll give you Nikke and Blue Archive (which basically plays itself) but that's it.